Wont purchase any PPV from either of these guys until its v each other. Regardless who you think is at fault it CAN be done even though they blew the true Superfight when both were at thier primes. If it doesnt happen both fighters historical standings will be tarnished and will be argued about forever. I do have a prefference between the two but the distance is being closed to where I may not like either one anymore. Think of guys like Beau Jack or Charlie Burley…they just wanted to fight. For thse saying they werent elite think Ali and Robinson, its what every true fighter aspires to emulate.Posted September 5, 2012 9:02 pm
that’s really a very unprofessional comment….Posted September 5, 2012 7:02 am
Sir. What if we turn this around and cotto will fight pacquiao at his natural weight. Remember pacquiao’s natural weight is at 130-140 lbs and he is the draw. That’s why i think a catch weight would be ok considering that pacquiao was a fly weight when he first started…Posted September 5, 2012 7:00 am
@ Chicago Guy. I know, I know… PPV numbers… boxing is a business. I sometimes use the same argument. But we’re the hard-core fans, right? Yes, Marquez is a hell of a fighter, and deserves a rematch after their last fight. BUT, Pac vs Marquez 4? I say leave it a trilogy, all the fights were razor close, no real clear winner. It’s done! Let’s now see both in with new/different opponents so we can later better, more accurately, judge just how good both Pac and Marquez were. So for us, I say it’s time to serve them up Matthysee, Brooks and/or Alvarado!Posted September 4, 2012 8:11 pm
In case, no one digs to the bottom where this was posted. — @ God Save You. I did not see the fight when it first aired. When I heard the news about the decision and the uproar that ensued, I was pissed! In fact, some of my outrage sneaked into here — as I had to vent I was so angry. I love my sport — been a fan for many decades — and absolutely hate it when poor decisions are rendered. THEN I watched a rebroadcast — with the volume at zero, like I usually do — so I’m not “told” what is happening. After the first viewing, I was a little befuddled — while I thought the fight was close, I didn’t think it was a bad decision, certainly far from the worst I’ve seen. Then I watched the fight again, this time with pen and pencil in hand. I scored each round. At the end, I still had Bradley winning, only by a round or so, but still I though he squeaked it out. I can understand the thinking: “to be the champ, you have to BEAT the champ” — and someone giving it to Pac, but still… on the cards — to me it was Bradley’s victory. As to boxing.com’s video, I ran across it later and said to myself, that’s the fight I saw. Still think I’m biased, a Pac hater? So be it. But ask yourself the same thing… are you biased, maybe a little towards Pac — my guess, probably a lot towards Pac. Anyways, I’m done… I’m out…Posted September 4, 2012 8:02 pm
God Save You. I did not see the fight when it first aired. When I heard the news about the decision and the uproar that ensued, I was pissed! In fact, some of my outrage sneaked into here — as I had to vent I was so angry. I love my sport — been a fan for many decades — and absolutely hate it when poor decisions are rendered. THEN I watched a rebroadcast — with the volume at zero, like I usually do — so I’m not “told” what is happening. After the first viewing, I was a little befuddled — while I thought the fight was close, I didn’t think it was a bad decision, certainly far from the worst I’ve seen. Then I watched the fight again, this time with pen and pencil in hand. I scored each round. At the end, I still had Bradley winning, only by a round or so, but still I though he squeaked it out. I can understand the thinking: “to be the champ, you have to BEAT the champ” — and someone giving it to Pac, but still… on the cards — to me it was Bradley’s victory. As to boxing.com’s video, I ran across it later and said to myself, that’s the fight I saw. Still think I’m biased, a Pac hater? So be it. But ask yourself the same thing… are you biased, maybe a little towards Pac — my guess, probably a lot towards Pac. Anyways, I’m done… I’m out…Posted September 4, 2012 8:01 pm
tutumbo has no argument. He’s only able to blabber the same insults his parents routinely direct towards him.Posted September 4, 2012 7:35 pm
Love the picture!!Posted September 4, 2012 1:52 pm
It’s either you don’t recognize that there are two sides to the Pacman saga, or that you don’t realize that a lot of fans are not just deserting Pacman, but are turning on/against him.
And, this is just the beginning. You keep watching.
P34c3Posted September 4, 2012 10:08 am
Very well said, @struttin.
P34c3Posted September 4, 2012 9:39 am
And what’s your argument, oh te tumba the angel, other than calling others names and shouting with upper-case characters?
P34c3Posted September 4, 2012 8:57 am
Good observation, Ripple. I honestly think Harold Ledderman had the same predictive mindset pre-fight, as did Freddie Roach, so he (Ledderman) was trying everything possible to ram 11-1 (Pac) down the throat of the broadcast. By the 12th, however, he realized Bradley already had two rounds on his unofficial card, IIRC, so he had no choice than to give the 12th to Pacman, :roll: I see no other reason why a sane man would give that 12th round to Pac.
P34c3Posted September 4, 2012 8:34 am
Correction “… a Champion at JMW …”Posted September 4, 2012 8:05 am
Typical, GSTQ, resorting to name calling or calling me a fool shows you’ve lost the argument. Pacquiao should first avenge his recent loss on the record against Bradley, who is closer to his weight class, before he would start chasing shadows.
He was chasing shadows (Pac was,) because it’s always been recently apparent that Cotto would not agree to be drained down again. Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me, you dig? Arum was helping himself (and Pac?) use the chase for Cotto as a smokescreen, knowing fully well that they’ve always wanted Marquez IV, so as to maximally cash out for them both (Arum, Pac.)
Cotto did not just recently move up from WW, he’s been a Champion at JWW for more than two years, so stop padding your arguments.
Check and update your records – Pac came in at 150 on fight night for JMM III.
P34c3Posted September 4, 2012 7:49 am
Geez – Manny can’t catch a break with some of you posters. Again and again you keep telling him to rematch Marquez. He does it, gets a win and then some trolls claim he should give Marquez another chance due to close fight/robbery etc (delete as approriate). Fight 4 gets nearly signed, and you guys do an about turn.Posted September 4, 2012 7:49 am
The sooner Bob Arum retires the better.Posted September 4, 2012 6:29 am
The longer Pac waits (read: remains with Bob Arum,) to fight Mayweather, the less of the % of the fight purse he gets given, no question.
Just like I wrote elsewhere (including on bleacherreport) when Pacquiao initially barked at OSDT more than two years ago, that he would come round to accept it. He’s come round now. SMFH.
P34c3Posted September 4, 2012 4:31 am
BTW, history will not record this “commercial, money, huge following” you keep propounding, as one of the criteria for greatness or how good a fighter was. Instead, a fighter’s W(KO)-L(KO)-D record would always be the key criteria. So, just keep being in self denial, and keep parroting Bob Arum.
P34c3Posted September 4, 2012 4:21 am
LOL, hindsight is always 20/20.
P34c3Posted September 4, 2012 4:13 am
@one hitter – very well said.
P34c3Posted September 4, 2012 4:11 am
no not this fight again. 36 rounds are enough. we need something new.Posted September 4, 2012 2:39 am
Delusional words from the usual pactardPosted September 4, 2012 2:34 am
“Patrick2″ Indeed you’re a HATER, a BLIND and an ABSOLUTE IMBECILE!!!Posted September 4, 2012 2:34 am
I cannot be bothered with a fighter who consistently wants to fight weekend opponents, Marquez will get robbed again, I just cant believe they are going to force another one down fans throats.Posted September 4, 2012 2:31 am
“OCTAVIUS72″ Then go tell Floyd not make any excuses at all and make the FIGHT!!!Posted September 4, 2012 2:26 am
The so called fighter of the decade needs 4 fights to prove he can beat Marquez???Posted September 4, 2012 1:35 am
At this stage Berto would probably beat Pac imoPosted September 4, 2012 1:28 am
The reason Hagler walked away was because the boxing establishment wasn’t kind to him coming up as a fighter. He got ROBBED in his first fight for the title and when he did finally win it overseas from a foreign fighter; his life was in danger. He had the crowd throwing glass bottles in the ring at him. Hagler walked around with a bitterness and resentment because he fought long and hard for his; but Leonard had everything handed to him on a silver platter because of his looks and the fact that he was an Olympic Gold medal winner. The two scenarios are TOTALLY DIFFERENT. Pacman is LOVED by MILLIONS; Hagler didn’t get that love to after his career was over!!!Posted September 4, 2012 1:25 am
Whether Pacquiao fights either Bradley OR JMM…if he loses to either man, Pacquiao’s boxing career through! I also feel the Bradley fight is worth taking and a more Pacquiao-experienced and game Bradley with two good feet would whip Pacquiao’s ass more convincingly the next time.Posted September 4, 2012 1:22 am
And I agree. Mayweather isn’t afraid of no Pacman and neither is Bradley or Cotto. Who can blame Cotto for not being a FOOL for a second time and fighting him at a weight he isn’t comfortable at? I’m glad Cotto stopped being a PUPPET for Top Rank. Let Pacman be Arum’s flunky. I give him maybe a few more fights and he is done. Then he will go back to the Phillipines and probably end up BROKE!!!!Posted September 4, 2012 1:21 am
Any respect I had for Pacman has totally went out the window now. This is NONSENSE here. For those of you still talking that crap about Floyd being afraid of him and not wanting to fight him; I wish you well in your DILUSIONAL WORLDS.Posted September 4, 2012 1:19 am
I think he should have taken a tune up fight against Berto or Ortiz. I don’t want to see fight Maquez again. Pac does not need to fight Cotto or Hatton again. When you destroy someone you don’t need to fight them again. When you draw with someone then beat them twice afterwards there is not need for a 4th fight. Berto makes sense while you wait on PBF. You get a little handspeed. You get a young guy. You get an explosive fan friendly fight that is not too threatening. I also don’t want to see him fight Zab Juda.Posted September 4, 2012 12:21 am
Pugfan Cotto is afraid of PAC? Lol if PAC had any balls he would rematch at 154. More PAC is afraid of Cotto at his natural weight. PAC could not handle JMM and fought 20 seconds per round against Bradley. Cotto is not stupid and only a fool would rematch at a weight that hurts your stamina, power.Posted September 3, 2012 11:45 pm
God Save The Queen
Yeah those guys have huge followings lmao. The only reason PBF and Ortiz sold what they did is because the casual boxing fans thought PBF would have problems with Ortiz after a lay off, the thing they did not take in to account is Ortiz is all mouth and NO action and as green as they come. As proven by the vicious KTFO lol very deserved, and thats coming from a Pac supporterPosted September 3, 2012 11:40 pm
I don';t want to see this fight. Pac will win again late. Can’t he fight someone else?Posted September 3, 2012 10:12 pm
Paquiao could walk away from the sport after being robbed in the Bradley bout,like Hagler walked away after being robbed by Leonard.Posted September 3, 2012 10:00 pm
if moneys the name of the game manny should fight floydPosted September 3, 2012 9:56 pm
Only reason he is unappreciated is because he fought a lot of fighters at catch weights for there belts. He could of fought them at there natural weight. He was trying to have rematch with Cotto at a catch weight. Why not fight them at there natural weight? And then when ever he had a bad outing he came up with lame excuses saying there where cramps in my legs, or there is a blister on my foot.Posted September 3, 2012 9:52 pm
Mayweather is afraid to fight him,Cotto is afraid of taking another sever beating.Cotto and his fans can not stop crying about the first bout. Paquiao should just retire. he has nothing left to prove.Posted September 3, 2012 9:49 pm
Paquiao should just retire. he is unappreciated by a lot of fans for some reason?Posted September 3, 2012 9:46 pm
God Save The Queen
WoW you miss the point fool, and Pacquiao has not chased Cotto. You just believe anything that is written here or other blogs etc. Cotto had a chance to avenge his loss yes not at the weight he fights at but is also not the weight Pac fights at, and as Cotto has only recently moved up from WW it should not be such an issue. He had a Catchweight for the Marg fight ( cotto ).
God Save The Queen
Like I thought you come up with fighters with NO or little following, don’t forget Pac has maybe 3 max fights in him and AGAIN it is a business $$$$$$$$$ keep up with your pitifull excuses.
@God Save The Queen (God save you indeed) – It is not Cotto’s fault that Pacquiao started out at flyweight or whatever. If Pacquiao cannot fight at 154, then he should not be asking and begging to fight Cotto, or mixing it up with the real big boys; he should go down to his own JWW weight class. Simple. Ain’t nothing wrong with fighting in your own natural weight class. Plenty of good/terrific guys for Pacquiao to fight at JWW.
I’m tired of this “Pacquiao has a small frame” B.S. Meanwhile, the guy weighed 150 conveniently for Marquez III. Some never leave their line of reasoning, no matter how wrong the’re being proven to have been all along.
P34c3Posted September 3, 2012 9:08 pm
Just to be clear, I meant that, no, he (Ripple) is NOT on cocaine; instead, you, The Kingslayer, are probably in self denial? P34c3Posted September 3, 2012 8:48 pm
No, he’s not; instead, you’re probably in self denial? P34c3Posted September 3, 2012 8:44 pm
Pacquiao should retired and enjoy Jinky :cool:Posted September 3, 2012 8:43 pm
The question is are you on cocaine? At the end of the fight, Pacquiao was more marked up, looked more tired than Bradley did. Bradley was beating the tar out of Pacquiao in the 12th round and yet the blind Howard Letterman gave the 12th round to Pacquiao!!Posted September 3, 2012 8:41 pm
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Oh, how ’bout Matthysse, Brook or Alvarado? All would be intriguing fights for Pacquiao.Posted September 3, 2012 8:17 pm
Do you think people care about old timers u should move on and you will be rewarded by your fans.THAT IS THE TRUTHPosted September 3, 2012 7:30 pm
you are donkey Juan Manuel Dinamita is mexican power
You know what would have been fricken sweet is if Marquez and Bradley fought and left Pacs ass out in the cold. Also saying he won’t fight a rematch with Bradley because it’s not profitable is a load of BS considering Clottey was no money maker but Pac still fought him…Posted September 3, 2012 7:20 pm
I don’t even want to see him fight Mayweather. Maybe a couple years ago it would have been a big deal but Pac has been exposed and Mayweather isn’t getting any younger. Sorry but 2013 is way past the sell by date for this fight. I’d rather see Mayweather fight Bradley.Posted September 3, 2012 7:19 pm
I will not be paying any money to see Pacquiao fight the same fighters over and over! Geez, does anybody think a forth fight with JMM will be any different then the last three? Manny better wise up, another close fight ANYWHERE in the states with JMM will result in one more loss on his record and he can bank on that.Posted September 3, 2012 6:49 pm
Pacquiao team is pissing me off. I’m tired of all these rematches. Manny should just call it quits if he can’t get the Mayweather fight. I don’t think that Manny loss the Bradely fight (at all) but he didn’t fight to win. Don’t think he is mentally the fighter he was a couple of years ago and might be better if he just moved on from boxing.Posted September 3, 2012 6:43 pm
for weeks it was Pacquaio was going to fight Cotto….and that didn’t give anybody a woody…..now….Pacquaio is going to fight Marquez ….and you see the response for taking on this fifty yr old lightweight……
:Pacquaio should have to fight his contractual obligation…BRADLEY….if he doesn’t do enough…he’ll lose again…and that will be that….age has taken it’s tollPosted September 3, 2012 5:06 pm
You wanna see good fights ???? DOn’t buy lousy fights….JUST DON”T BUY THEM….you can see ’em on replay for free…cuz that’s what they’re worthPosted September 3, 2012 4:42 pm
Anyone who pays bob “the con man” arum for this fight deserves to be shot.
ANOTHER robbery in favour of pac? Great. How fun.
Why not let pac fight someone who can’t be controlled. How about Golovkin? Oh wait…….that could be risky. Better to let the idiots who still buy arum’s PPVs fork out MORE money for joke fights.Posted September 3, 2012 4:12 pm
I like the comment about this fight being on Friday Night fights. That’s true as long as they don’t make it a main event and keep me up too late to catch it.Posted September 3, 2012 4:12 pm
A year or 2 ago when I commented that promoters were hurting the sport by match making to maximize the markability of their fighters instead of show casing the most competitive fights, my comments were called bias and opinionated and they stopped printing them. Now this article is echoing the same things I said 2 years ago. Pac Man vs Marquez 4 exemplifies why my favorite all time sport since the days you could view championship fights on network TV is headed toward total insignifance as a sport. I know this fight will probably generate a substantial amount of revenue, but that is the absolute only purpose it will serve. For the diehards, who wants to see a mediocre 39 year old counterpuncher, fight a 30 something year old has been for the 4th time, Mexican fans and Pac Man fans with $50 of disposable income, maybe. What will this fight prove? Neither of them are champions or championship material.Posted September 3, 2012 4:07 pm
I had Marquez winning their last bout, and the previous. But at some point in time Marquez is simply going to get/show up old for a bout with Pacquiao. Will it be this fight? Let’s hope not. That said, besides the obvious fight — w/Mayweather — Pacquiao’s next fight SHOULD be Bradley. The haters will say no, but the fact is Bradley finished that fight without a cut, scratch, nick or any puffiness on his face. Name any other opponent of Pac’s who exited the ring looking like they did when they entered. I’ll give you the answer: no one. Seems all of Pac’s power and the “damage” he was causing in the ring that night never made it to Bradley’s face. Could it be that all those “connects” the HBO crew reported, never truly connected? Anyways, best of luck to Marquez, but I do wish Pac would use the backside of his career more intriguingly.Posted September 3, 2012 3:48 pm
Are you on cocaine ?Posted September 3, 2012 3:43 pm
How about Golovkin he looked pretty good. Hell even Berto or Ortiz or Brohner.Posted September 3, 2012 3:41 pm
This fight should be on Friday night fights. I’d rather see him fight Larry MerchantPosted September 3, 2012 3:36 pm
Pac didn’t want to get exposed by Bradley again, so instead he chose the safest route by fighting Marquez who is getting up there in age. Bradley probably would have spoiled a fight with Mayweather in 2013.Posted September 3, 2012 3:35 pm
What a pity that Pac caved into Arum’s demands, honestly I would rather Pac just sit out and wait for Mayweather.Posted September 3, 2012 3:25 pm