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Who did Liston beat??? Valuev KO’d Monte Barrett. Valuev had a 50-1 record when Haye almost knocked the 330 pound giant out..

Chisora beat top contender Robert Helenius who chilled 3 champs.

Liston beat 189-pound Patteson.. big deal.. Frazier stopped little 190-pounders Ellis… Quarry… Daniels… and Zgylewitz… big deal… Frazier couldn’t stop or floor Bonavena, who had a “Please hit Me” sign hanging from his neck.

Neither Frazier or Liston ever beat a good sized boxer except Ali. And Ali couldn’t punch very hard. If you saw the KO punch Valuev laid on Barrett, he COULD punch hard… Chisora was the first to take out Malik Scott in 36 fights, and he hammered Helenius all over the place.

Valuev and Chisor had better credentials than the guys Sonny and Joe fought.

Posted October 26, 2013 7:29 pm 


Tark, try as you might you cannot sell David Haye as a more accomplished HW than Liston or Frazier….. Mike Spinks accomplished more than Haye defeating Holmes and no one is putting Spinks down as a top 10 HW And he beat Holmes!! Who did Haye beat? Valuev? Chisora GTFOH

Posted October 26, 2013 9:28 am 


all hw today are bums.

Posted October 26, 2013 6:04 am 


Sredmond…, You know damned well I always predicted Floyd would beat Canelo by decision… You had Floyd winning by KO… You predicted he would shred, paint, smoke, and KO Canelo..

I was right and you were wrong idiot… You’re the biggest liar on Earth and you know nothing about Boxing.

It doesn’t take ANY fights at heavyweight to beat the best heavyweight in the world… Michael Spinks fought ALL his fights at light heavyweight or lighter before he beat Larry Holmes on his first try at heavyweight.

If Frazier wasn’t fat he wouldn’t even have reached 200 pounds. He wasn’t anywhere close to the real size of David Haye, who clobbered a 247 pound heavyweight in his last fight — even overpowering him. At a rock solid 210 Haye is 3 times as strong as the puny Frazier was.

Posted October 26, 2013 1:16 am 


Tark, please are you saying that fight predictions are an overall indicator of boxing knowledge?? If so YOU predicted that Canelo would defeat Mayweather along with Bears LMAO! The fact that you put a less than 10 bout HW up against Liston and Frazier in stature is simply unforgivable and a serious indicator that you really don’t know how stripes are earned in this sport..

Posted October 25, 2013 6:44 pm 


Fat little Frazier looked like a basketball being dribbled the only time he ever fought a puncher… He was hard to miss with a punch—8 trips to the deck.

He would not get job sparring for a guy with Haye’s skills, speed, punching power, strength, conditioning, and physicality. Frazier was a tiny version of Dereck Chisora … only much fatter.

Apparently you didn’t see Frazier perform in SuperStars … LMAO

Posted October 25, 2013 4:33 pm 


tark. little toe haye would not of got a job carring a bucket in frazier”s era.

Posted October 25, 2013 3:27 pm 


nameless = Sredmond

Posted October 25, 2013 3:02 pm 


SRED tko6 tark

Posted October 25, 2013 11:20 am 

K-2 Fan

BREAKING NEWS ; It has been reported that after reading Tark’s
last several posts , Sredmond was so humiliated and distraught ,
that he was seen , carted off to a rubber room , foaming at the mouth , where he remains until he recovers , or Tark stops posting ! Let’s hope that Sredmond has a nice LOOOOONG recovery . In view of this occurrence , ANY and ALL future Sredmond posts , will be by an IMPOSTOR !

Posted October 25, 2013 7:55 am 


Sredmond…, YOU know so much about boxing that YOU picked Mayweather to KO Canelo… YOU picked Peterson to beat our boy Matthysse… YOU picked Matthysse to KO Garcia… YOU picked Marquez to KO Bradley.

I said all those things WOULDN’T happen and offered my analysis.

I was in the sport for many decades and know a few things about it. And I know David Haye would have beaten the crap out of Liston or Frazier.

Haye is too fast, too strong, too skilled, too well conditioned, too smart, too hard punching, too elusive, and has a combination of talents they never matched on their best days.

Posted October 24, 2013 8:25 pm 


Tark, Davis Haye does NOT even have 10 fights at HW and already you put him in league with Liston and Frazier LMAO!!! Haye got a shot at the legit HW Championship and what did he do??? He’s a terrific Cruiser and great athlete but his HW tenure does not begin to put him in conversation with Frazier and Liston… This proves you don’t know boxing your just an aging radical…

Posted October 24, 2013 7:32 pm 


Sredmond says.., “Frazier and Liston are LEGENDS of the sport and the lumbering nobody’s of the Klit era are not gonna change that.”

You mean Frazier and Liston were lumbering. Especailly compared to swift heavyweights like Haye and Wladimir.

The Wladimir story hasn’t ended yet… When Ali was Wladimir’s age he was already suffering ramifications from having a piss poor defense … He was done and best advised to hang them up.

Posted October 24, 2013 3:53 pm 


i also believe povetkin was roid just like wach was roid. wach was supended for it.

Posted October 24, 2013 12:25 pm 


do you think terry daniels ron stander and jose roman will be remember as great fighters.

Posted October 24, 2013 12:00 pm 


the k bros are the biggest hw joke in history.

Posted October 24, 2013 10:40 am 


Tark, Wlad was getting abused in the prime if a fighters life by NOBODIES this pales in comparison to a spent Ali losing some bouts in the latter part of his career… Wlad was shredded by scrubs and humiliated he faced nowhere near the level of comp that Ali did during his time as a fighter “Mormeck” HAHAHAHA!

Posted October 24, 2013 10:15 am 


Tark, like it or NOT Frazier and Liston are LEGENDS of the sport and the lumbering nobody’s of the Klit era are not gonna change that.. You really think Deontay Wilder, Povetkin or Wach are gonna be remembered as Great fighters??? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Smokin Joe was a 15 round fighter and man of serious heart, who’s legacy is set in stone… The Klits best night collectively is getting beat up by Lewis beyond that who really cares??

Posted October 24, 2013 5:35 am 


Yeah Tark the younger Foreman “gassed” because he was out thought, out strategized and KOED BY ALI!!! “Gassing” is NOT and never Will be an excuse I accept… You guys try to pawn 2 of Wlads losses on that weak crap as if it would matter if true…! If you cannot keep up with the demands and you opponent can he has proven superior that night CASE CLOSED…Again Alis legacy is 1000% secure his standing cannot be diluted by your historical revisions and attempts to sell ANY fight Wlad was in as “a classic”…. This Era of HW boxing is literally getting WORSE… Wlads fight with Povetkin capped a run of UGLY or POORLY matched bouts spanning years… Old fighters like Mormeck, Thompson, sparring partners and non World Class scrubs like Pianeta and Wach, STINKERS like Haye and Povetkin….They try to put these guys on the undercards of Cotto and Ward and look at the results??? More reason to look at Ali and forget there are actually HW Fights taking place today… The US cannot stomach Wlads effective but loathsome hugging and clinching

Posted October 24, 2013 5:31 am 


Right Sredmond.., Foreman, who was in such terrible shape and ran out of gas.. Foreman, who had no defense.. Foreman, who in Ali’s words, was “swinging like a sissy.” … Foreman, who feather punching Jimmy Young knocked down and almost knocked out.. Foreman, who only had one (1) successful title defense against a good heavyweight.

As for the Norton fights? Ali lost all 3 of them. He got more gift decisions than anyone else. Jimmy Young, Doug Jones, and Liston II were more bogus victories.

Frazier was a short, fat, little punching bag with severe medical issues in his loss to Ali—an enlarged heart and high blood pressure. Frazier was done and would have been knocked out by Sonny Liston.

Old Sonny Liston held Ali even on the cards in their first fight—even with his torn left biceps. Seven doctors who examined Liston after the fight agreed it was a very bad injury. Ali should have been disqualified in the rematch for flagrantly rejecting the referees orders to go to a neutral corner. Liston got up and Ali attacked him, missing 6 punches in a row as Liston calmly evaded them. Liston, Ali, and Walcott all thought the fight was still on — because Liston NEVER got a count from the referee. According to the rules a count is suspended if a boxer refuses to go to a neutral corner — as Ali did. It happened in Dempsey-Tunney, but for a few seconds.. A timekeeper can’t count you out while the referee is struggling to push your opponent to a neutral corner.

Posted October 24, 2013 2:00 am 


Tark, I feel VERY bad for you Ok I don’t really no one remembers that Evangeliesta fight despite your HORRID salesmanship… We remember Norton, Frazier, Liston, and Foreman… Wlads not gonna have a SINGLE signature fight that did not involve him getting stopped.. Wlad could fight 100 more times using the same style and he will NEVER eclipse Ali as a beloved figure and heroic and exciting fighter it’s simply impossible.. Wlad took Povetkins “0” Ali took Foremans absolutely no discussion to be had…

Posted October 24, 2013 12:04 am 


Wladimir has had some pretty interesting KO’s… Sam Peter II… Calvin Brock… Ray Austin… Derrick Jefferson… Tony Thompson I… Jameel McCline… Eddie Chambers… Chris Byrd

His KO record is way better than Ali’s… He’s a better defender and harder puncher most definitely…

At 36 Ali was beaten by neophyte Leon Spinks and was shot… At 37 Wladimir’s thoughest opponents are still in front of him in Pulev, Wilder, Jennings, Fury and others good heavyweights coming up.

Posted October 23, 2013 11:51 pm 


Sredmond.., “Ali has more memorable fights that are classics.”

You mean like… Alfredo Evangelista… Mac Foster… Joe Bugner… Rudi Lubbers… Leon Stinks II… Buster Mathis… Jimmy Young

No knockdowns… No serious punches landed… Plenty of stalling around… Those fights set a record for non-violence

Wladimir fought 2 stinkers in Sultan Ibragimov and Alexander Povetkin… But at least he scored 5 knockdowns, won every round of both fights, and tried really hard to get the stoppages.

Posted October 23, 2013 11:28 pm 


Wilder doesn’t ask for realistic fights.

Why is Fury or Arreola going to fight him when they are lining up eliminators, or massive money fights?
You are asking them to risk their higher ranking and standing and for what – certainly not big money, and not for anything that gets them closer to a tilte.

You pick a guy who is a good win away from being in that position, and who isn`t getting big offers elsewhere.

If you are serious and you really want to embarrass people you can publically put out a chunky fight offer – post the contract on twitter- say that will go to the highest ranked fighter who will sign it.
Every heavyweight getting interviewed while you have that up there would need to explain why they aren`t taking it.

That is of course if Wilder IS being ducked.

Which I don`t believe he is.

30 fights, best opponent a serial KO victim without a meaningful win in years, coming off multiple losses.

Did he get ducked 30 times?

No way – take that BS somewhere else.

Posted October 23, 2013 10:18 pm 


Ali has more memorable fights that are classics than Wlad and Vitali x10…. Wlads fights are almost guaranteed STINKERS when you couple his style with the tragic parade of victims he’s been bagging as of late.. Povetkin was one of the best around? Good lord a prime Holyfield would have made his head look like a speed bag…Ali Became a Global Icon BEFORE,CABLE HDTV, Social Media and the Internet… Wlad has all that and still cannot create the events to sell himself in boxings most lucrative market… Guys are raving about his best payday of 17 mill… That’s nothing when Lewis, Holy, And Tyson were making 2x that 12 years ago (index for inflation and it gets worse) lets NOT pretend that Klits is gonna replicate that payday anytime soon, against who?? Unless he decides to face the brother in an EPIC bore fest there is no other nutty promoter who’s gonna pay that kind of cash to see Wlad grinding on another man in a boxing ring..

Posted October 23, 2013 9:58 pm 


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Posted October 23, 2013 9:11 pm 

PitBull Petrill

I am the only PitBull on this site!

Posted October 23, 2013 9:00 pm 

Frank Ribery

@K2. I will destroy you.

Posted October 23, 2013 8:34 pm 


Louis was out for 4 years for World War II… He had no fights during that period.. He was only an active champion for 8 years and didn’t meet any outstanding boxers except Billy Conn … a light heavyweight.

Most of the challengers Louis fought wouldn’t make sparring partners for the K Bros. They were worse than bad.

Posted October 23, 2013 8:06 pm 


heavyweight boxing always goes through good and bad cycles, the great joe louis fought alot of bums, the so called bum of the month club. just think,klitschko is the 2nd longest reining champ in the history of heavyweight champions, and not to far off joe louis record,probaly catch joe in 3 to4 years.

Posted October 23, 2013 7:18 pm 

Supreme Court

Fight Aficionado says:
“Sure he’ll keep this style. It’s led him to become the dominant champion over the last decade. ”

That !d!ot has a different opinion when it comes to Floyd….

Posted October 23, 2013 7:01 pm 


hw boxing today is a circus and a big one at that.

Posted October 23, 2013 5:30 pm 

Gym Rat

I agree with Reem. Povetkin was roided up that fight. C’mon a close friend of Putin and only tested by the dodgy russian RUSADA?! He showed unreal stamina and endurance against Wlad, now compare that to his bouts against the likes of Chagaev and Huck and how he looked spent. In fact any fight he’s in that goes passed half way he’s blowin out his rear end. There wasn’t a sniff of that against Wlad though. Particularly considering the bombs he ate. Very fishy.

Posted October 23, 2013 5:12 pm 

K-2 Fan

Boris/ and all the other stupid , juvenile names you call yourself ; I
thought that this is a boxing site , but in typical fashion of your kind ,
when you can’t come up with something valid to say about the subject at hand , you try to muddle the water by bringing in football ( soccer ) .
As I told you before , no one knows what WILL happen in the Ukraine vs. France game , but we ALL KNOW for a fact , that the Ukrainian
beat the crap out of the russian , with one hand behind his back !
Doesn’t seem like you boys can come up with a fighter that instead of
crawling around on the canvass , could remain on his feet long enough to make Wlad use BOTH hands !

Posted October 23, 2013 4:50 pm 


Wlad doesn’t need to change his style. There are some stinkers as there are with every champ, but most of the times Wlad delivers devastating knockouts, face first and stuff. So there is nothing to worry about and Povetkin was roided up anyway, no way this guy who had terrible stamina against Huck could go forward all 12 rounds and throw so many shots. Especially how he wasn’t even tired after getting dropped 3 times and pressed forward in the next round like nothing happened, shows the guy was on roids. And considering that he was tested only by the russians you can bet on it he was drugged. If Pov wasn’t on roids Wlad would have send him on a stretcher.

Posted October 23, 2013 4:44 pm 


Wlad got paid $17.5 million minimum guaranteed for his last fight. 12 million in Germany alone watched it and 150 countries broadcast the fight. He doesn’t need America. America is whining because they have nobody that can compete even in the top 10. Like the bullies that they are when America can’t win they try to attack the image of the champ. Wladimir is the WORLD champ. He doesn’t need to be the champ of America. America will pay big when they get a credible contender that they think can beat Wladimir. If Deontay Wilder would beat anybody with a pulse the Americans will pay big pay per view for the fight. Klitschko should demand at least $100 million and demand at least $90 million for the champ alone. Make them pay, Wladimir, for all the whining and hate they have thrown your way.

Posted October 23, 2013 3:22 pm 


…,”Wlad will demonstrate that power in future fights with Pulev and Wilder.”

Then DO it… Less talk and more action. Get WK a real opponent.

Posted October 23, 2013 1:01 pm 


So Klitschko is getting married soon, I see. Wedding night preview: Hayden removes her shoes; Wlad clinches. Hayden takes of her top. Another clinch. She removes her bra. Clinch. Wlad pushes her head down. Hayden says, “don’t push, Wladdy, all you gotta do is ask!” I hope for her sake there’s more action in the hotel room than there is in ANY of Klitschko’s fights. With the exception of the human sleeping pill, John Ruiz, Wlad is the most boring heavyweight in history.

Posted October 23, 2013 11:57 am 


EE in greed shock.

Posted October 23, 2013 11:33 am 


………………..Boytsov/Wlad……big fight in 2014

Posted October 23, 2013 11:26 am 


Wladimir doesn’t care what you think. He got paid 17 million for a night’s work, and you’re sitting there a 5th of Jack Daniels and a bottle of Nyquil to supress your worries about the bills that are piling up, so you can go to sleep.

Wladimir is the best heavyweight in the world. What are you the best at? You watch him. He doesn’t watch you.

Posted October 23, 2013 11:18 am 


I was going to comment on Wlad but fell asleep while trying to think of something good to say about Wlad. Klitschko fight works better than a 5th of Jack Daniels and a bottle of Nyquil for the best nights sleep ever.

Posted October 23, 2013 11:07 am 


ring magazine their rating at the time they fought wk. povetkin #1,thompson #10, haye #2, chambers #3, chagaev #3, thompson #9, ibragimov #6,brewster #8, brock #9, bryd #1 peter #8 Byrd #7 and mcline #6. and 5 of them were belt holder. and 7 were mandatory. to say wk cherry pick or fight bums is bs. and don’t worry what left standing will get their shot.

Posted October 23, 2013 9:51 am 


Wlad bores me to tears, but you can’t argue with the results he gets.

His reign is comparable to Hopkins at middleweight: no one enjoyed it, he clinched too often, it went on forever and he didn’t really face that many good fighters, but ultimately the guy will good down in history as one of the great fighters.

Posted October 23, 2013 9:49 am 


dont compare legends like ali with these bums today.

Posted October 23, 2013 9:45 am 


Ali was from an era when fighters were much smaller and would not be able to compete in todays heavyweight landscape with men the size of the Klitshcko’s and Tony “Tiger” Thompson. I often think of how much grief poor Wladimir Klitschko would get on this site if Ali came around today and Wladimir fought him. The intense criticism Wladimir took fighting cruiserweights like Mormeck and Haye was bad enough. I shutter to think what would be said if Wladimir fought the the middleweight olympic gold medallist.

Posted October 23, 2013 9:17 am 


@Adrian slap yourself for mentioning Ali and WK in the same post. Ali used the Ropes against Foreman but he also threw combinations off the ropes, wore Foreman down and then knocked him out in exciting fashion, WK has and never will do anything like that!! Horrible comparison!!

Posted October 23, 2013 9:07 am 


To say heavyweight boxing is dead is absurd. Look at the great active fighters, Tony “Tiger” Thompson, Povetkin, Pulev, Stiverne, Chagev and of course the Klitschko brothers! All these men would compete and do well in any era. If not for the Klitschko reigning supreme a great many of these fighters would have been fine champions in other eras.

Posted October 23, 2013 9:06 am 


hw boxing is dead. but as long as you get retards paying to watch this sh#t than it will keep getting worse.

Posted October 23, 2013 8:20 am 


if you look at boxrec, hes only fought 4 in the top 25.

Posted October 23, 2013 6:49 am 


I do not mind a boring style….. but if I wanted to watch a cheating hug fest then I would watch Wladmir Klitschko masquerading as a boxer. He might be the best of his generation… but he has yet to show any real start quality.

Posted October 23, 2013 6:13 am 


the referee for wlads next fight needs explain to wlad that clinching is not allowed in boxing and that points will be deducted for doing so. your supposed to punch and move! not punch and grab!

Posted October 23, 2013 3:57 am 

Enough Already !

So called boxing fans are really pathetic ! Maybe you should watch MMA instead, since you don’t understand boxing. Plus, so long someone will come up and take it to Wladimir Klitschko, then he will stay the Champ, and all the rest of you can watch or not for all that he cares.

Posted October 23, 2013 3:37 am 


Well this is great news. Also i would say he will fight a few more stiffs now too after taking on povetkin. bore off

Posted October 23, 2013 3:19 am 


Muhammad Ali stayed on the ropes famous “rope a dope” against Forman he did that not to satisfy public but the as a strategy to win the fight … Now you could call that “boring ” or you could call it a genius strategy to win a fight but in any case he DID win the fight and if he had try to satisfy a public and tried to trade with him like norton tried with Forman he would probably lost and we will never consider Muhammad Ali as a great we consider him today!

The secrete to make wlads fight more exiting is to beat him!

Posted October 23, 2013 3:18 am 


It’s called sarcasm. However, the WBC ranking Wilder #3, WBA #6, and IBF #12 without fighting anyone nearly ranked really stinks………..Wilder refused to fight Thompson, not to mention that he will not fight Jennings, Arreola, nor even Malik Scott. Wach would knock Wilder out. Wilder needs to fight a real fighter, not winos from the alley……….

Posted October 23, 2013 2:07 am 


Farmboxer…, “I keep reading and hearing that Wilder is the greatest heavyweight in boxing history!”

Where have you read that??? Nobody says that. Vitali is the GOAT at heavy.

But Wilder is clearing the decks. It might take a couple years more because these contenders are so reluctant to face him.

Posted October 23, 2013 1:49 am 


Vlad and Vitali are the best heavyweights in the world today. I keep reading and hearing that Wilder is the greatest heavyweight in boxing history! LOL! Vlad knocked him down with a jab in sparring for the Wach fight. Wach would knock Wilder out! Wilder is fighting bums, non-ranked fake fighters who are over the hill! Yet the Klitschko haters believe that Wilder can never be beaten?! LOL! If Vitali or Vlad were to fight Wilder’s opponents they would have 100% knockout ratio, most any heavyweight would knock all of Wilder’s opponents out! Vlad has mentioned fighting Wilder ASAP, so we will see. Wilder’s fans will see how good Wilder really is. Compare Wilder’s opponents with Vitali and Vlad’s, there is no comparison! Wilder got ranked #3 WBC, #6 WBA and #12 IBF, how did that happen when he has never fought anyone ranked?! It so appears that Wilder plans on winning the WBC title without having to fight anyone period?! After Vitali retires, of course. I hope Vitali fights Wilder before he retires, either Klitschko will knock him out cold! However, I would love to see Wilder fight Thompson! It so appears that Wilder refused to fight Thompson, of course! Let’s see Wilder will not fight Arreola, Jennings, even Malik Scott! Perhaps Wilder will fight Sconiers again for some bogus title?! No surprise there………..Vitali and Vlad keep on beating the hater’s heroes and they can’t stand it! “SOUR GRAPES”! According to them Vlad can’t fight because he knocks out most of his opponents, other world champions, top ranked fighters, etc., plus Vlad won the gold medel back in 1996 in Atlanta, GA, superheavyweight division, thus he can’t fight at all! Again compare with their hero Wilder’s opponents! At least the WBO hasn’t ranked Wilder! Wilder should be forced to fight someone ranked, but again, why should he? He does not have to fight anyone ranked at all. Double standard!

Posted October 23, 2013 1:16 am 

Chris Byrd

That weren`t me vs Wladimir man. They drugged me. I was drugged. Hospital lost the postfight analysis.

Posted October 23, 2013 12:03 am 


@Fake Chris Byrd…,

Vitali was beating you in whitewash fashion with one hand. If you gave him a rematch he would have knocked you stiff. Vitali knocked out 2 guys who knocked Wladimir out. Plus he destroyed Sam Peter who knocked Wladimir down 3 times.

Wladimir beat the living crap out of you TWICE… Your best win as a gimme

Posted October 22, 2013 11:34 pm 


Wlad should go back to fighting no hopers like mormeck so he doesn’t have to feel so nervous

Posted October 22, 2013 11:09 pm 


Ribery, Benzema, Nazri, Giroud…………Oh my.

Not look good for Ukraine.

I will send postcard from Brazil where Russia do East Europe proud.

Posted October 22, 2013 10:46 pm 

Lennox Lewis

I beat the big robot up too. Diced his face up with perfectly legal blows.

That was an easy nights work.

Posted October 22, 2013 10:41 pm 

Ross Purrity

I smacked the p1ss out of that Ukraine boy. He tickled me for 10 rounds then I knocked his block off.

Posted October 22, 2013 10:40 pm 

Lamon Brewster

I put a whippin on him too.

Easy money baby.

Only lost the rematch because I had a busted up eye.

Posted October 22, 2013 10:39 pm 

Corey Sanders Ghost

I DID beat him.

I whupped him like a little girl.

He had to get his big brother to help him out and I nearly whupped him too.

They`re lucky I don`t have a bigger brother to help me out.

Posted October 22, 2013 10:39 pm 

K-2 Fan

If you don’t like HIM , BEAT him ! It must be terribly frustrating , for irrelevant nobodies like ; Nameless/Brainless , Sredmond , etc ., to
have been waiting so long for someone , ANYONE ; to beat a Klitchko .
Keep writing your ” opinions ” , boys , the world is waiting for your
contributions . In the meantime the K-Brothers will just keep winning ,
while you keep hoping !

Posted October 22, 2013 10:16 pm 


good for wlad,he is 37 and in great shape. I think he has 50 KO’s!

Posted October 22, 2013 10:10 pm 


His style depends on his opponent. Watch Brock/Brester 2/Peter 2. Not a lot of clinching.

Posted October 22, 2013 9:06 pm 


Wlad fights to his own strengths and weaknesses. He`s been more exciting in the past, and ended up getting stopped, so I don`t have a problem per se with him fighting in the most efficient way that he is allowed, it`s understandable if not always pulse-racing, which is a shame because when Wlad opens up he is destruction incarnate.

As a viewer however watching someone execute boxing skills, I`d tend to place more value on the smaller guy who can bob and weave, draw a jab, and slide past it to close the distance to initiate infighting, than on a bigger guy being able to clinch someone who got past their jab.
Parrying, blocking, bobbing etc shut down an opponents attack while allowing action to continue.
Clinching shuts down ALL attack. It`s creating deadspace in a fight – understandable when trying to get a breather or when well on the defensive, but not acceptable as a continued, and primary tactic for dealing with an opponent every time they get within 3 foot of you.

Inconsistency between referees where I have more of an issue.

Look at Joe Cooper in the Khan-Peterson fight – whenever Khan would try to clinch he say “Stop holding Amir”. So then Khan would try to make room with his forearms pushing, and he gets warned for the push.

I could actually get behind that interpretation if all boxers knew it was how it would be, but then you have Steve Smoger saying how he wouldn`t have docked Khan anything in that fight, and you have ref’s for Wlad fights who will let him clinch hundreds of times – making literally no effort whatsoever to fight on the inside.

Posted October 22, 2013 8:27 pm 


Heavyweight boxing is dead, and we have two dominant white champions. Is that a coincidence? That’s for you guys to debate but it must be a bittersweet pill for some white people to swallow.

Until there is an exciting HW champ (whatever colour they are) there will be no excitement about the division and it’s a shame because it affects boxing as a whole.

Imagine if they fought like Kovalev…mind you maybe he’ll go up one day, him against Ward at heavyweight would be a pretty cool match-up.

Posted October 22, 2013 7:43 pm 

God’s P.A

‘All Hail the King’ We are big fans of Wlad! The guy has ducked nobody and rolled all that earn their shot, why hate? Just a sea of negativity this whole ‘Internet’ thing is…

Posted October 22, 2013 7:19 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Sure he’ll keep this style. It’s led him to become the dominant champion over the last decade. And for those saying he’s boring, check out his KO%. The fights become boring when opponents like Povetkin give up mentally. Those who don’t like Peter get KTFO.

Posted October 22, 2013 6:45 pm 


Nyet. I vill not fight. I vill hold. I vill vin. I am Vladimir. You can call me John Ruiz.

Posted October 22, 2013 6:25 pm 


Bla bla bla bla bla

Posted October 22, 2013 6:15 pm 


Wladimir Klitschko: winning!

Posted October 22, 2013 5:58 pm 


Hot dog! More foul-fests, clinch-fests, and non-boxing-fests!

Posted October 22, 2013 5:40 pm 


Of COURSE he’s going to keep his boring style. His exciting style got him knocked out.

Posted October 22, 2013 5:40 pm 


pov doesn’t the the flak, robot, because pov hasn’t dominated hw for 10 years like wlad. these idiots hated wlad going in and would have given him flak regardless of the outcome. they are the same ones that go down on wilder after he ko’s a guy who is 5’9 400 pounds and ranked 189th.

Posted October 22, 2013 5:36 pm 

Master Ken

Well , he did say that he intends on trying to do better in the next fight…. BTW, USE SPELL CHECK FOR THE LUV OF THE ALMIGHTY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted October 22, 2013 5:27 pm 


Sredmond im afraid my friend u correct

Posted October 22, 2013 5:26 pm 


It is up to the challenger to take the champion out of his comfort zone. They can’t. Period.
BTW I do think it was boring but what the hell … Wlad may have been TOLD not to KO Povo, the Russians paid him mad amount of money.

Posted October 22, 2013 5:19 pm 


How come Povetking does not get any flack for his style in the fight? He is at least just as guilty as he had only one dumb strategy that didn’t work and did not try to change anything… Oh wait – vitali-shaposhnikov is Russian…. I get it now

Posted October 22, 2013 5:16 pm 


Please, keep that boring mother focker away from our TV screens.

Posted October 22, 2013 5:12 pm 


SREDMOND, you r an OK poster as long as you keep from making predictions. Don’t forget that.

Posted October 22, 2013 5:08 pm 


If he changes he’d get KTFO.

Posted October 22, 2013 5:04 pm 


Bitingpitbull then maybe Vlad and Mayweather should wear helmets in the ring. Fans of boxing want to see a fight not a hugfest

Posted October 22, 2013 4:57 pm 


Comparing a 147 pounder like Floyd to the violent expectations of a HW is simply desperate… We expect lower weight boxers to employ the subtle aspects of the game and Mayweather faces comprably sized opposition most nights.. Wlads a behemoth who often towers over his largely inept opponents, he has close to 250 pounds if raw muscle so certainly we expect more brutality from him… Floyd’s a man who started at 130 not some monster puncher weighing 250 but scared to take a shot… The public has rewarded Mayweathers excellence with more $$$$$ and the biggest fights in history, whereas Klits has been kicked out of North America… You cannot prop up Wlad by discussing the most popular WW fighter in the World… That’s simply SAD…

Posted October 22, 2013 4:56 pm 


Prof Konje – then you pay you money to see boring thats your choice but not for me. I want my moneys worth not to see hugging. YOU DEFEND BORING THEN YOU PAY FOR IT.

Posted October 22, 2013 4:55 pm 


When Ali clinched Frazier it was in 2 of the greatest, most exciting Heavyweight contests in boxing history. Vlad went beyond clinching, he was draping himself over A over and over every round, unfair comparison

Posted October 22, 2013 4:54 pm 

Prof Konje

He wins! That’s it. Remember, it’s called “boxing” for a reason, not street fighting or wrestling.

Posted October 22, 2013 4:51 pm 


Corrie Sanders did hit hard and could have knocked out Sonny Liston with his fast left hand. Liston would have been NO threat to Wladimir either in menacing looks or in the ring. Vitlai also KO’s Sonny Liston. and………..
ASIF: where did you get the info on Wlad vs Boytsov this coming Spring ??
Boytsov is the WBO manditory like you said. Where did Boytsov come from for a shot at Title?????

Posted October 22, 2013 3:11 pm 


pulev-wlad 2014!

Posted October 22, 2013 3:04 pm 


Eric you are completely wrong. Floyd counter punches, leads, jabs, hooks, throws upper cuts, goes to the body. He doesn’t just punch and hold, when he is in close he works on the inside also. Something Wlad doesn’t do. This has nothing to do with race. It has everything to do with Wlad safety first of jabbing, jabbing and jabbing then over hand right then grab with an occasional hook off the jab on and lean all over his opponents. So your comparison is completely off.

Posted October 22, 2013 3:03 pm 


hes boring, but KO’s almost everyone he gets in the ring with!?…..if he’s successful with his style why would he change it?

Posted October 22, 2013 3:03 pm 


To his credit Klitschko has found a way to stay off the canvas, the price of his clinical effectiveness is that he is EASILY one of the MOST if not the MOST BORING well tenured HW Champs… His snooze factor is further compounded by his massive advantages in height, strength and power. Timidity and over caution are frowned on when a man of his size is the perpetrator… Klitschkos NOT in the ring facing a slew of vetted fighters many of his foes should be dispatched QUICK BUT as he discusses Wlads terminal susceptibility to getting blasted by relative low level comp has forced him to produce a number of stinkers to keep winning…. Hats off but a lot of his legacy will look better on paper than actual film of his many unwatchable bouts..

Posted October 22, 2013 3:00 pm 


No Wlad is not the best Heavy of all time. He is a great heavy because of what he has done in the Heavyweight generation but he is far from the best. Lewis would of KOd Wlad. And people know your an imposter saying that because they know I wouldn’t say that.

Posted October 22, 2013 2:57 pm 


Im not defending wladmir klitschko, but the argument that mayweather nutt huggers have in regaurds to his do whatever it takes to hit and not get hit and have boring fights and avoid brain damage does not also apply wladmir because he is not african decent, thats what all non rascist fans have to understand right out of the gate. If your a banger like marvin haggler your a throw back fighter of the glory days and a beast but if your a come forward brawler likec3 G or kovelev or ruslan po… you cant box, you suck and dont know the sweet science. Do you see the pattren ? If you lay on the ropes and rope a dope and take a beating like ali did you the grestest of all time and a master class boxer but if a non african fighter does that he stupid for taking a beating and cant fight or box. Boy oh boy what would the world be without rascist, america would with out question be the greatest nation ever.

Posted October 22, 2013 2:56 pm 


Wladimir Klitschko is the best heavyweight of all time!

Posted October 22, 2013 2:40 pm 

Brazilian Boxing Fan to Bitingpitbull

I agree with you.

Posted October 22, 2013 2:27 pm 


You people are retards! Like floyd said ” i dont want to have brain damage when i get older”
Same with wlad! Why eould he risk his own health if he can win and be champ without getting hit???
Life is bigger than boxing and if you dont like how floyd and wlad fights you dont have to watch!

Posted October 22, 2013 2:23 pm 


Funny how East Side puts a column about Klitschko adjacent to a column about Sonny Liston. They could go to Vegas, dig up Sonny, and I’d still bet on him to knock out Wlad within five rounds. Then again, once Wlad saw Sonny at the weigh in, he would’ve never shown up for the fight. He thinks Corrie Sanders hit hard …

Posted October 22, 2013 2:20 pm 

Brazilian Boxing Fan

Wlad´s style works, so I believe he is right in not changing it.

Posted October 22, 2013 2:11 pm 


This huggin isnt new. Look at Bhop. Every fight is a ZZZZZ sleeper. As Jim Lampley said – Bernard doesnt care what the people think he just cares about the win. This is way just like Ken Hop wont see any of my money.

Posted October 22, 2013 2:08 pm 


Tark problem is there fighters out there that are always striaght up boring like Ward and Hopkins. There people out there that dont even know who Ward is cause he isnt exciting he put you to sleep in one round. Jab, hug, jab, hug.

Posted October 22, 2013 2:06 pm 


If you plan on keeping your boring style Clicnh Ko like the likes of Bernard ” Clinch hugger ” Hopkins or Andre ” boring ” Ward then you dont get my PPV money. After that Provo fight MY HARD EARNED MONEY GOES TO THOSE THAT FIGHT NOT HUG !

Posted October 22, 2013 2:04 pm 


It IS boring when you fight somebody who just wants to survive. So everybody has boring fights. Jack Dempsey had his with Tommy Gibbons.

Tyson’s fights with James Smith, Tony Tucker, and Quick Tillis were pretty damned slow.

Ali’s fights with Mac Foster, Buster Mathis, Joe Bugner, and Alfredo Evangelista were dead boring.

Foreman’s fights with Tommy Morrison, Lou Saverese, and Crawford Grimsley left a lot to be desired.

Holyfield’s fights with Vaughn Bean, John Ruiz, and Chris Byrd weren’t happening.

Wladimir’s fights with Sultan Ibragamov and Alexander Povetkin were awful.

At least David Haye blasted Wladimir with a couple big punches, and tried desperately to land the big shot. Ibragamov and Povetkin didn’t land anything remotely threatening, and didn’t really try.

Wladimir tried hard to knock them out. He scored 5 knockdowns in those fights. What I hate is a fight where you could record the first round and rerun it 12 times—and nobody could tell that from the real fight.

Posted October 22, 2013 2:03 pm 


Ali did much of that at the end of his career, but for the most part, he fought. I don’t know the exact amount of times Wladimir held during the Povotkin fight, but it was outrageous. This guy is 6′ 6′” and is looking for a choke hold. He has a great jab and good boxing skills, why not use them unless he doesn’t have the stamina and confidence. I’ve watched box great before, and maybe it’s just this one fight, and I really hope he doesn’t make this a habit.

Posted October 22, 2013 1:59 pm 


it his style, though he should have been warned earlier in his fight against povetkin. how many times did ali clinch frazier?

Posted October 22, 2013 1:52 pm 


Wladimir has skills, but his last fight was atrocious. He should have been DQ for the holding, holding and hitting and pushing down is opponent. What on earth is he trying to prove. I think his success has gone to his head. Someone please knock this guy out. Fans pay good money for the heavyweight champion of the world to box not to wrestle. He can’t really believe this mugging style is entertaining.

Posted October 22, 2013 1:51 pm 


Theres only one Tyson fury he’s the man to make wlad fight

Posted October 22, 2013 1:23 pm 


I don’t know anyone that called him boring to me it’s not boring, it’s really a cheat stragety hit and lean hit and lean its one thing to make your opponent miss by blocking, ducking, using angles but to completely hold him arms and all that my friend is a cheat tactic!

Posted October 22, 2013 1:20 pm 


He is boring…but the point is hes winning with that style,and only a fool would change it.

Posted October 22, 2013 1:18 pm 


he is scheduled to fight 3 times next year.

march – vs boystov (wbo mandatory)
summer vs (optional voluntery) will have better idea after march
late 2014 – vs Pulev (IBF mandatory)

Posted October 22, 2013 1:16 pm 


That’s a boring style, and let me add it’s not boxing its weight lifting…got the other guy.

Posted October 22, 2013 12:35 pm 


Of course he is, why would he change it if it keeps working for him. He is already the champ. Now someone needs to come and take that belt. Someone needs to figure to work the body since they are unable to get to his chin

Posted October 22, 2013 12:27 pm 


until somebody can step in there and make clinchko fight he is gonna stay champ

Posted October 22, 2013 12:23 pm 


the ufc owes Klitco for ruining heavyweight boxing for the masses.

Posted October 22, 2013 12:18 pm 


And I plan on not watching. I was a Wlad fan for years, but the Povetkin fight was a new low. If that’s how he’s going to fight as he ages, I for one will not tune in.

Posted October 22, 2013 12:09 pm 


Grabimir Clinchko sure aint a fighter. Just a cheat who cant box by the rules and even nominates who does his drugs tests

Posted October 22, 2013 12:08 pm 

High Sky

However, I think Champ Wladimir Klitschko will choose to bring an AX in his next fight to murder his opponent, and then people will say, “Why did Wladimir kill him?” Hahahah….

Posted October 22, 2013 12:07 pm 


Just win baby, just win. Good for Wlad to tell the critics pretty much to buzz off. He will have more brutal KO’s in the future. Congrats to Wladimir Klitschko.

Posted October 22, 2013 12:05 pm 

High Sky

No Competition against him in the heavyweight division, so the Champ Klitschko CAN fight whatever style he likes. Boring fights? No competition. War fights? No competition. I don’t blame him whatever style he chooses to fight, his oppositions just can’t respond. Go with your wishes, Champ!!!

Posted October 22, 2013 12:04 pm 


good for wlad. f the fans and f ernie, who, by the way, is in no way, shape or form a boxing fan.

Posted October 22, 2013 12:03 pm 

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