Dealing with Groves is ruining Froch’s career.Posted March 31, 2014 4:25 pm
The only exciting thing about a Wlad or a Vitali fight is the musical and video introduction package. The moment the bell rings it’s time to switch channels. They are boring as heck.Posted March 31, 2014 1:16 pm
TARK, It just shows how poor the heavy weight division is if someone can comeback after 4 years off and regain a title. Please list me 10 great fights Vitali has had or even the K brothers have had combined. I’ll easily lay you 10 great fights ALI had BEFORE he turned 38.Posted March 31, 2014 1:11 pm
Anonymous…, “We’ve seen your boy Wlad on bambi legs”
Wlad is not my boy. I supported Vitali who’s never been knocked down as the real champion.
However, once Wladimir learned how to fight from Steward he went on a 10 year unbeaten streak… When Ali was 38 he was losing every minute of every round before quitting in his corner.
And Leon Stinks only had 7 fights when he beat Ali… NOT 8.
And Vitali came off a 4 year layoff at 37 and won the Heavyweight Championship on his 1st fight back… Robinson was making his SECOND start after a much shorter layoff — and he got shutout by a guy who was coming off 5 straight losses.Posted March 31, 2014 2:04 am
Nup. Piechucker you wouldn’t have a clue what Ward would fight like out of his hometown. If he had to front Froch in front of 50,000 anti-American fans without his own ref and judges I doubt he would have the balls to go the distance. Ward is a hometown fighter who doesn’t have the sack to get a passport. Now shut up Pie Chucker, you are an embarrassment to Australia.Posted March 29, 2014 9:51 am
TARK, you’ve been sussed. Your whole modus operandi is to slate Hearns because he got stopped by Hagler, SRL and Barkley
TARK, you need new material, cause this b.s. you regurgitate sure does stink!
You never heard of an off night? You actually look at the quality of opposition?
The same TARK who gives props to Wlad for being stopped three times in his career by the likes of Brewster. Yeah, right.
You have a pathological hatred for anyone who is in the Hall Of Fame as all the above are.
TARK, you’ve been found out and caught with your pants down, playing the same old scratched record.
Time to play another song TARK. You just played yourself out.Posted March 29, 2014 9:26 am
Tark; What a unique way to watch boxing, you have; Kessler stalked and beat the hell out of Froch, in Kessler vs Froch 1, the second one, Froch won fair and square.
Groves is nothing like Bute, they could not be more different, in style. Groves has the experience of beating the hell out of Froch, and he can take Froch’s punches.
To be honest; Kessler and Froch are probably both far over the hill.Posted March 29, 2014 4:58 am
The biggest fight of the yr without a doubt, can’t wait 9 wks to go. We’re gonna show that May the 3rd circus what real fighting and getting value on ppv is all about. FROCH V GROVES IS THE ONLY ONE YOU SHOULD BUY! That one fight is better than floyds full card.Posted March 29, 2014 4:23 am
piechucker don’t encourage tark, he thinks froch won the first kessler fight ffs shows how much he knows.Posted March 29, 2014 3:21 am
Froch has seen the tapes and will paste groves ass big time in the rematch.sure groves may point froch the first 2 or 3 rounds after that froch steps up and jos him within 10Posted March 29, 2014 12:29 am
Froch beat the living crap out of Kessler in both fights..
In the 2nd fight the referee didn’t run in and get between the fighters every time Kessler was in trouble… as a result Froch won by a much more impressive margin than he won the 1st fight — which he was the obvious winner of as well.
Now Bute??? Bute was a lot like Groves. Untested and undefeated.. Froch destroyed Bute without even trying.. Froch took Groves lightly—because George has so many boyfriends and his breath smells of sea men. Froch won the fight anyway and was getting on top of the Ponce when it was prematurely stopped. With Froch’s very hot girlfriend he’s had some premature episodes before. This time he just frustrated the fans.
Anyway.., Now Carl knows Groves can take a beating for a few rounds before he goes out on his face.. So he’s cranking it up the intensity this time—because he hates Groves even more than he did Bute.
He has to force him self to remain calm at the press conferences — because he could go off prematurely.. He said he was going to “Kill Kessler” if he had to, “so help me I’ll kill this guy.” … So far he hasn’t said that about Groves… I think he just wants to wait for the opening bell this time.Posted March 28, 2014 6:49 pm
Bring on the rematch.
We’ve discussed the controversial stoppage inside and out for months. Nothing further to discuss other than their upcoming rematch.Posted March 28, 2014 1:17 pm
Froch is finished, over the hill, ready to retire, old as an old dog, ready to be destroyed by a young talented fighter, in Groves.
I predict a clear-cut 12 round decision, for Groves, with possible knock downs during the fight.
We saw Frochs problems, against Ward and Kessler 1. Froch can’t handle fighters with speed, Ward plus Groves, and who are physically stronger than him, Kessler.
Froch is shot. Kessler vs Groves is the next logical fight.Posted March 28, 2014 11:56 am
Froch is highly respected but is still to me a plodding brawler with limited skills but you have to love what he brings to the boxing world ,he’s an extremely cocky hard headed Bull who makes things more exciting than they are on paper..quote me on that!Posted March 28, 2014 11:28 am
… “By the time Carl Froch had aged into a man the spoon had become a frying pan, the face became indestructable!”
You’re largely born with your capacity to absorb a punch. You could be Vitali Klitschko or Tommy Hearns, it all depends on what sperm and egg unite and the resulting construction of your head, brain, neck, and spine. Building your body bigger and stronger through weight lifting helps. You can strengthen your face and neck to a certain degree, but that has minimal input.
Smacking yourself with a frying pan? Pretty dubious. Otherwise Froch would have walked right through those shots from Groves and Taylor instead of taking a count and using a high degree of caution when he resumed fighting. Froch was born very tough, but a better deal would be to have Andre Ward’s defensive mastery. Acquire the skills and you may never have to absorb driving right handers like that.Posted March 28, 2014 10:13 am
Bum fight!Posted March 28, 2014 8:36 am
@piechucker i couldn’t agree more. As likeable a guy as Froch is he will get beaten by Ward every time they fight!Posted March 28, 2014 5:59 am
Groves takes this unless the ref is as badPosted March 28, 2014 5:53 am
And for the record kid. I love froch. Tough as nails old school warriorPosted March 28, 2014 5:34 am
Ward crushes froch 100 times out of 100. Froch is a very ordinary boxer, who does so well because he is tough as nails. The bit that exposed you as a fanboy, detached from reality was when you said ward struggled with Abraham. He did not at any stage struggle. Stick to reality sonPosted March 28, 2014 5:30 am
Almost everyone likes froch. Everybody respects froch. That was an embarrassing love letter that trumps anything hecdog could write. Please spare us such tripe in the futurePosted March 28, 2014 5:28 am
CRL salt teet. Froch p4p nr1 ahahahahahahaha seek helpPosted March 28, 2014 5:26 am
EDIT * any splitseconds to recover from the blows he absorbed in sparring
its ironic how froch was on “dancing with the stars”
the intense training began When Carl Froch was just a young lad
one day as we all know he joined up with robert McCracken who saw the great potential in Carl
the intense training began When Carl Froch was just a young lad
Froch has explained that he didnt see george as any serious threat and didnt feel the mentality he usually does when preparing for fights
lets not forget that carl still put on an impressive performance after getting up from what seemed to be a devastating punch! He then continued for another 9 rds
Carl Froch is a true born Gladiator
to me froch is number 1 p4p
implying that froch is not P4P is ludacris , what has ward (current p4p nr 2?) done apart from headbutt
-Froch hasnt lost a fight since fighting ward
I think Froch deserves his rematch with ward on his own turf this time, lets see if ward can do better against a Froch on his A game than Kessler did
lets say a ward froch clash in UK would produce 10 million $
(excessive holding/clinching, headbutts, elbows, armlocks,low blows)
Ward is like a combination of Bernard Hopkins skillset and slickness & Andre Dirrell’s alertness and footspeed all this along with the Sven Ottke
I dont think Andre Ward is necessarily afraid, but i think he is a smart guy and fights like a chameleon monkey-goat..
he cant keep going in circles (maybe he can, but it will bite himself in the ass) so lets continue poking Ward and adressing the subject :poke
Ward shouldnt be so greedy, he’s used to making peanuts so if he gets 2 out of those 10 million he should be happy
personally im certain froch would win 10/10
alternatively he could probably convince kessler to wait with his retirement if he would come to denmark for a rematch, that would also produce a similar
again im certain ward would get KtfO due to Kessler bringing his A-game and getting a ref that doesnt allow holding etc
or he could have a small time fight with adonis stevenson , andre dirrell, or anthony dirrell
or maybe take on Bute allthough his 0 was taken by froch allready
theres plenty of interesting fights for him to pick , but he rather
they gave Magee an oxygen mask on and carried him out on a stretcher after the lethal venomous uppercut ! the
We saw in the last fight the best of Groves….and the worst of Froch…This time Carl will bring his A game and we will see better…..We seen Georges A game an he got no better….Posted March 28, 2014 4:14 am
Unfortunately 4 Groves this is another 12 rnd fight….Groves would have been killed if the ref let it go.Posted March 28, 2014 3:17 am
I’d like groves to win simply because he shown a lot of pride and determination in the last fight, and he whooped froch pillar to post for roughly 7 rounds….however he gassed himself out big time by round 9, his shots had no zip/substance, and it was a matter of time before he got stoppedPosted March 28, 2014 3:10 am
U need ur legs under u b4 anything…..Posted March 28, 2014 2:28 am
@F reddie Roach Ate My Hamster — and @ Anonimous..
Most boxing coaches are terrible… You never teach a sub-novice defense first. You spend a good month on stance, footwork, the jab and the other punches, feinting, moving.. Defense is what boxing is all about—but you can’t teach it unless a kid has a basic understanding of offense.. He won’t get it.. When he can move and punch fluidly he’ll understand defensive concepts much better.
Defense is not as exciting as punching people. It’s not macho like brawling and trading shots. You teach all the exciting stuff first: looking great, moving well, and making the focus pads sing. All the fun stuff — defense is more geeky. The fans didn’t like Tunney. They loved Dempsey.
If you try to teach offense and defense together, your boxer is going to be thinking offense.. They know defense is damned important—but they want to hit somebody. You need 100% of their brain. You get it by making them think they ALREADY have a good offense—but a great defense will give them a more opportunities to punch people.
How many professional boxers, such as Seth Mitchell, have a good offense… and no defense??? They were taught in the wrong sequence — or it was all in a hodge-podge and they never really got it.Posted March 28, 2014 12:49 am
Thanks… I might do that at some point.Posted March 28, 2014 12:39 am
Tark- why aren’t you writing for ESB? I’m not trying to flatter you or fawn over you, but your deep knowledge of boxing is very impressive. How rob smith and co still have jobs is a mystery to me.Posted March 28, 2014 12:12 am
You don’t have to change the landscape of Boxing to make millions at a young age… You just need to put butts into seats… This is one of those fights that does that.
Groves is not a good boxer–but the little pecker is box office magic.. Or maybe it’s just this fight that’s magic.. It’s like Zale-Graziano. Neither could box but their fights blew the roof off.Posted March 27, 2014 10:40 pm
Rufus says.., “Who cares?”
A football stadium full of fans and a massive TV audience.
Who cares about Rufus? His mom and his dog.Posted March 27, 2014 9:08 pm
Who cares they can’t fight real competition anywayPosted March 27, 2014 8:53 pm
Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster
Regarding the bad practice of sparring before you learn to box, that was my experience in the (UK) army (admittedly umpteen years ago). The only reasons I retained my boyish good looks were that I was a massive boxing fan, so had a head start and most of my opponents hadn’t learned how to punch properly. You could always tell the boxers by their black eyes, which on reflection shows how backwards the ‘coaching’ was!Posted March 27, 2014 7:46 pm
TJ- 100% agree. I know a lot of lads who have been totally turned off the sport because of the club and the way it operates. The sparring is full contact, one hundred miles an hour sort of stuff and how someone hasn’t been badly hurt already is a miracle. I myself have stopped attending and will train at a proper club in the summer when I travel back home for the holidays.Posted March 27, 2014 7:30 pm
Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster
In some ways Groves reminded me of Haye against Thompson, he punched himself out and snatched defeat from the jaws of victory. Most telling for me though was how the months of psychological games and false bravado just unravelled and George’s bully boy persona melted away with every tear he shed. After the cringeworthy interview where he taunted Carl with “Are you going to cry?” it was a beautiful irony when George did his Gazza impersonation! I believe that Carl wasn’t mentally right after the build up, he went into round one like an angry drunk. The confidence from his comeback should prevent a recurrence.
George may crumble away again if Carl takes his best shots and keeps coming back for more. His breakdown after the last fight shows he’s more Floyd Patterson than Floyd Mayweather. Is there a fancy dress shop near Wembley?!Posted March 27, 2014 7:28 pm
Froch has no chance. Groves will retire him.Posted March 27, 2014 6:45 pm
Froch all the way. Too tough for Groves physically and mentally, just as shown in the first fight. Another KO loss coming for Groves. He’ll be looking for the ref to stop this and it won’t come until he is flat on his back.Posted March 27, 2014 6:42 pm
not so sure i can go with all the feeling that froch will have learned the most from the first fight, this time groves will know a lot more as well and will have had more time with his new trainer, will know not to try and stand and trade and use his superior movement to out point flat nose. i think froch could be in for a shock againPosted March 27, 2014 6:37 pm
It seemed to me that Froch took Groves too lightly in the first match and found himself in a much tougher fight than he expected. He should be far better prepared this time around and his performance will show it. Groves is a very decent fighter but Froch is a notch or two above him and should win the rematch in fine fashion.Posted March 27, 2014 6:30 pm
Was never a big Froch fan, always thought he carried too big a chip on his shoulder over Calzaghe, but I really hope he stops Groves again, jeez what a whinger this guy is.Posted March 27, 2014 6:06 pm
I’m about to dish me and my girl up two liberal slices of my auntie Winona’s homemade Texan rattlesnake and banana pie.Posted March 27, 2014 6:00 pm
Froch by TKO and I don’t think Groves puts him down again neither. I think Froch thought he had an easy night which is a mistake with anybody but when they sparred he figured he had it easyPosted March 27, 2014 4:58 pm
Groves.Posted March 27, 2014 4:36 pm
Shouldn’t have been a Lewis v Holyfield rematch? Holyfield whooped Lennox 1st time around. & there was no controversy in Froch v Groves 1. Groves got saved from a further beating. Froch by KO again.Posted March 27, 2014 4:28 pm
Paulie did better the 2nd fight with Diaz. He actually hurt an opponent for one of the few times in his life.Posted March 27, 2014 4:19 pm
Another example is the rematch between Mallignaggi and Diaz after Mallignaggi was robbed in the first fight. Like the Lewis v Holyfield rematch, the right call was a comfortable points decision, but it was also scored more widely in favour of the perceived “wronged party” than perhaps it should have been.Posted March 27, 2014 3:33 pm
TJ says…, “When Lewis drew with Evander the first time, he won a wide points decision in the rematch – even though the general view (if I remember right) was that the fight was closer then the scoreline suggested.”
The scores in the 2nd fight reflected what happened in the fight… from a different trio of judges… Everybody knows that the first fight was horribly scored and it had no impact on what the judges did in the rematch … Holyfield was solidly beaten in both fights.Posted March 27, 2014 3:15 pm
Anonimous…, “I refuse to believe that any trainer would allow any of their students to start sparring without having a basic understanding on how to defend themselves. It would moronic to allow novices to be repeatedly pummelled to the face without knowing how to do simple things like block punches etc.”
You obviously didn’t read my entire post.Posted March 27, 2014 3:11 pm
@at Tark and anoin
Not sure if I agree. When Lewis drew with Evander the first time, he won a wide points decision in the rematch – even though the general view (if I remember right) was that the fight was closer then the scoreline suggested.
Posted March 27, 2014 2:38 pm
TOOTH, YOU ARE SPOT on! The rematch was much closer, but the idiot judges scored it too big in favour of LENNOX.Posted March 27, 2014 2:57 pm
I HAVE READ with dismay that this sort of things happens in lots of so-called clubs, when I did a search of experiences of total novices who wished to learn how to fight. Thankfully, this was not my experience when I first learned to box.
I read in some quarters a guy who expressed an interest was thrown in with the top dog at the club and was given the hiding of his life!! in some cases some of these guys were hospitalised or suffered quite shocking bruisings and abrasions and even fractures.
My personal view on this is the heads of these clubs and gyms should have been arrested and charged with assault or GBH.
No novice should be allowed to spar without getting a decent basis of the sport, which will take a few sessions, involving one-2-one tuition with the coaches and trainers,who should be using this to ASSESS the readiness of the novice being able to handle even a rudimentary half-speed spar.
The guys reports I read said they had been turned away from the sport before they even had a chance to try out.Posted March 27, 2014 2:55 pm
@at Tark and anoin
Not sure if I agree. When Lewis drew with Evander the first time, he won a wide points decision in the rematch – even though the general view (if I remember right) was that the fight was closer then the scoreline suggested.Posted March 27, 2014 2:38 pm
GOOD LUCK CARL BUT I AM SURE THAT YOU WILL NOT NEED IT TO WIN ,CARL TO WIN IN SEVEN ROUNDS IT WILL SHUT GEORGE GROVES UP GROVES NEEDS TO STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT EVERY LITTLE THING PEOPLE WILL GET SICK OF HIM GOING ON ABOUT STUPID THINGSPosted March 27, 2014 2:37 pm
Unfortunately, at the university club I train at, the trainers allow novices who have never thrown a proper punch in their life to spar. With no headgear. And differing gloves. All you need is a will to box and a gum shield. It sucks.Posted March 27, 2014 2:15 pm
@TARK – What you say about judges’ attitudes towards scoring fights is idealistic and does not reflect what we usually see in rematches where the previous fight was deemed controversial.Posted March 27, 2014 2:02 pm
That is pretty much the first thing taught. That is protect yourself at all times. Even if your foot work is bad or you have no clue how to throws punches, all that does not matter. But you always want to keep your hands up protecting yourself. Then you teach the fundamentals.Posted March 27, 2014 1:58 pm
@TARK – what was the point in your post? One of boxing’s fundamental rules, and without a doubt one of the first things they’re ever taught, is to protect themselves at all times… and George Groves did not do that!
I refuse to believe that any trainer would allow any of their students to start sparring without having a basic understanding on how to defend themselves. It would moronic to allow novices to be repeatedly pummelled to the face without knowing how to do simple things like block punches etc.
What the author said in his article rang true… and someone with George Groves’ experience should have known better.Posted March 27, 2014 1:58 pm
This pundit says.., “I feel that the public outcry of the so-called “robbery” from the first fight will compel the judges’ to favour the title challenger when scoring any close rounds.”
Never rely on public sentiment to sway the judges…
Most judges are cold fish … and all of them should be. If they’re any good they count the punches each boxer lands and try to judge their impact and effectiveness as accurately as possible. They’re taught to tune out partisan shouts, screams, cheers, booing, the histrionics of the boxers, and their own personal opinions and attitudes towards each boxer… This doesn’t happen all the time of course—but public sentiment can also be dead wrong.Posted March 27, 2014 1:56 pm
This pundit says.., “The first thing any boxer is taught, is also the last thing they’re told before the start of any contest, which is to “protect yourself at all times.”
I hear this all the time — but it’s wrong and ass-backwards.
The first thing a sub-novice boxer should be taught is stance and footwork… followed by jabbing… straight power shots… hooks… uppercuts… body punching… and finally feinting and other deceptive offensive maneuvers. It takes a good month for a talented, off-the-street boxer to get a fair handle on offense and understanding the ring space.
Then you teach him defense for a month or two before you let him spar.
Defense is more important—but a novice needs to have a strong understanding of offense to fully understand anything you’re talking about when you’re teaching him defense. The wagon is more important, but you don’t put it before the horses.Posted March 27, 2014 1:26 pm
Taking Froch by stoppage. Glad the rematch was made since the last fight was stopped early. Though I felt Froch was on his way to a stoppage winPosted March 27, 2014 12:35 pm
If you had an ounce of intellect, you would realise that the author picked Carl Froch to win the fight by stopping Groves in the 11th.
You’re not one of those guys who needs to follow a script in order to carry out basic tasks like blinking and breathing, are you? Poor man!Posted March 27, 2014 11:58 am
So if I understand what you are saying, in your opinion one of these two guys will win the fight depending on who fights best. Amazing insight.Posted March 27, 2014 11:50 am
It’s Me, Ernie
Good luck Carl…Posted March 27, 2014 11:31 am