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Mark, if Pac would really accept a fight for winner take all then he would of accepted 40 mil. And there is not a promoter that would accept a winner take all fight. That is just ridiculous. You know how many times that has been said? You know how many times it has been accepted? I will wait for your answer.

Posted October 26, 2013 12:33 pm 

te tumbo


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Posted October 25, 2013 5:52 pm 


Stupid idea

Posted October 25, 2013 3:32 pm 



Posted October 25, 2013 2:34 pm 


te tumbo , shut your pie hole you rat

Posted October 25, 2013 11:26 am 


Pac is back!

Posted October 25, 2013 11:16 am 

te tumbo

. . . laughs Loudest and Proudest . . . Viva Marquez!

Posted October 25, 2013 10:21 am 

spartacus 65

ThirdWorld, goodmorning captain. A nod of appreciation and respect to you friend for requesting that the posts try to keep it classy. Peace and strength champ.

Posted October 25, 2013 4:38 am 


Lets hope Arum’s plan to get Pac back on the highstakes comes thru, Rios will not be hard to find and judging by how Pac was fighting before the KO he will take care of BAM BAM properly.

Posted October 25, 2013 3:31 am 


Rich – he who laughs last…..

Posted October 25, 2013 3:25 am 


Dumbo…don’t forget it took Marquez 8 f***king years to land that punch….

Posted October 25, 2013 2:52 am 


blame Arum. nuff said.

Posted October 25, 2013 2:21 am 


3RD World – Pac vs Floyd will never happen while his still with Top Rank.

Posted October 25, 2013 2:17 am 

third world

so much animosity and racism on the boards.i find it comical most of the brain washing that the so called experts have inflicted on such knowledgable fans.pacquiao is going to mop the floor with rios,and i like rios.floyd,as talented as he is will never fight pacquiao because he knows it’s a fight that he could lose. respect is missing here boys.stay classy.

Posted October 25, 2013 1:44 am 


Glad to see that Marquez thunderous right hand has humbled Roach too as his nomlonger predicting KOs anymore. LMFAO!!!!!

Posted October 25, 2013 12:50 am 


I’ll be honest, I don’t think Pacnap has slipped that far but damn that pensioner Marquez did a number on him but still I don’t give Rios a chance in hell to beat him as his just a mini Margarito with no plasters. If by some miracle Rios had to win, I can already hear all the Turds crying foul ( PEDs) and you fanboys thaught more stringent DRUG TESTING was about Floyd Mayweather.

Posted October 25, 2013 12:47 am 


Mark / Spartacus/Anonymous(Chicago Guy) – 50/50 my ass, Floyd is a 2 division champion, undisputed & undefeated #1 P4P champion, highest grossing PPV KING, highest paid athlete. Pacnap has no belt, is on a 2 fight losing streak ( if we don’t count the gift vs Marquez on the 3rd fight) and is fighting another tailormade face first plodder who was a lightweight last year who got a gift decision vs Abril and has just lost to Alvarado who just got manhandled by Rocky. Thats whats up, all FACTS, no hating. Arum would never put him against Floyd unless thats his last fight.

Posted October 25, 2013 12:38 am 


THANKS spartacus 65

Posted October 24, 2013 10:57 pm 

spartacus 65

Hmmm, I have been away for awhile attending to affairs outside the states, yet on returning out of some curiosity I decided to drop in on esbforums and I must say the racial rhetoric has definitely been amped up quite a bit. Why that is I haven’t a remote clue but it’s gotten actually a bit worse than wjen I stopped posting close to a month ago or so. Maybe its the times we are living in or just plain ignorance. Gowever Anonymous I must say you have a point in regards to that. But Pacquiao DEFINITELY seems to bring out some real animosity in some gentlemen here. Im not a Mayweather fan but I do admire some things aboit the man. He is a shrewd businessman and I like the fact he takes his conditioning seriously. Being in condition is a way of life for me so I can relate to the man on that score. And by the way, reports about Pacquiao not being tested have turned out to be proven false. He has tested twicw already as well as Rios. Sorry to burst some bubbles there. Cheers.

Posted October 24, 2013 10:56 pm 


Especially with Tumbo

Posted October 24, 2013 10:36 pm 


No surpris

Posted October 24, 2013 10:36 pm 

spartacus 65

Wow, some real HEAVY DUTY ANTI PACQUIAO commentary on this post. With all due respect now I see whenever there is an article with Manny Pacquiao as the topic of choice, the anti Pacquiao congregation isn’t hard to find. They come out in full force and with the same regurgitated arguments and putdowns, baseless meanspirited accusations and so forth. Hinestly I would like to see the man retire and go out a winner. Even he loses he still is a class ct who gave the sportauch needed shot in the arm. Some criticism is ok but this lynch mob mentality suggests to me other issues underneath the surface with quite a few fellows here. When he does retire and hopefully with his health intact , perhaps some folks will MOVE ON. A novel thought indeed.

Posted October 24, 2013 10:27 pm 

Mule Rider

Tuff year for Mexicant fighters. Arreola will be the next to bite the deck.

Posted October 24, 2013 10:23 pm 


Sorry bro but I’m happy to be an American. Wouldn’t want to be anything else. Only thing holding me down is me wanting things I don’t need and buying them anyways. My freedom allows me to actually access Facebook and anything else I want on the internet. I have a choice and a freedom to do whatever I choose to do.

Posted October 24, 2013 10:04 pm 

Pac is Ducking Bradley and Ruslan

@ Mark what are you talking about… are you not mentally stable..

Again this is what I mean by Delusional– @mark — Are you really comparing the Phillipines to the USA. Are you saying that we are somehow worse off her in the USA than the people of the Phillipines. Are you saying that Manny is a model citizen– Have you drank that much “Koolaide”. Ask Jenkie– Manny was one of the worst people on this earth– cheating, womanizing, drinking, gambling, smoking, accuse of beating up people who were thinking about voting against Jenkie in one of the general elections she was having.. Are you not aware of these things or do you purposely ignore them, or does your brain shut down when bad things come out about Pac to help you maintain your sanity– Does anyone else see this disconnect from reality when it come to Pac- I am catholic and I know what it is– They need a saint– a ray of light in a very dark country, and Pac has become that light– They worship him as if he is a saint– Mark I do not think anyone here in the USA would trade placed and move to the Phillipine– including any of the Fillipino American who would agree with me with out hesitation.

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Posted October 24, 2013 7:47 pm 

te tumbo

why even bother posting “Anonymously*” FATso? we all know that it’s your dimpled hissy-pissy ass. you’re the oldest 12-year-old poster on this or any other boxing site. you can plant hickies on as many asses as you like but gradually everyone’s getting wise to your lame-ass games and politicking. just look at what you’ve been reduced too? a boring, multi-posting AssTr*ll simmering with unrequited man-love for Yours Truly (lol). Pinche “Whitey Bulgeless” is so lame and out of touch that he doesn’t even know when he’s the one being played . . . “Cann-Tahh y no Llores”, cabron.

Posted October 24, 2013 7:12 pm 


You right Pac doesn’t need Floyd and Floyd doesn’t need Pac. Difference is Floyd is pulling in 30 mil or more each fight and Pac is pulling half or less then half. If what Fliyd makes

Posted October 24, 2013 6:33 pm 


Meanwhile, Marquez* is embroiled in some kind of tax issue in Mexico. Something about a Hacienda Tax. Seems that in addition to being a whining sore loser, he might be a bit on the–how shall we say–crooked side.

Posted October 24, 2013 6:27 pm 

te tumbo

Pacquiao* couldn’t even attract 1 million PPVs v. an undefeated Bradley and beFore he was DEMOLISHED by Marquez. anything less than a KO win over Rios won’t improve his marketability and THAT’s why he’s now fighting in China. they don’t know any better and the U.S. has seen enough but still not what we wanted to see all along: Mayweather v. Pacquiao* I, but that ship has sailed. nobody but the most fanatical and boxing-ignorant Pacquiao* fanboy thinks that bout would be competitive or worth paying for. i’d be surprised if that matchup even cracked 500K at this point. it’s always been a lopsided and anticlimactic mismatch in Mayweather’s favor.

Posted October 24, 2013 5:53 pm 

te tumbo

punches routinely land before or because a fighter doesn’t see it coming, e.g., the several rights and uppercuts that Marquez scored in previous bouts or the punches that decked Marquez, but they didn’t result in a KO. the result is a fighter who believes they are KO-proof v. certain opponents or at least those not notorious for KO punching power. this is what previously gave Pacquiao* the confidence to take chances and charge hard, but no more. he now Knows that the KO punch is constantly lurking in every bout, eager to make an appearance, which is just as well. the long-term plan has always been to transform Pacquiao* into a boxer-puncher but 1) Roach has never been able to teach a single one of his charges how to box and 2) Manny* is simply not that versatile in skills or temperament. he also lacks the fundamental poise, maturity, and discipline to dedicate himself into becoming a superior boxe and it’s now too late. maybe 10 years ago after his historic CHOKE in Marquez v. Pacquiao* I, but he instead was outBoxed and outPunched by a faded Morales with only above-average boxing skills but just enough maturity and discipline to execute his fight-plan for 11 rounds. that 12th and final round is what Morales had to overcome to ultimately prevail in their first matchup.

Posted October 24, 2013 4:49 pm 


mark is 100% correct.

Posted October 24, 2013 4:39 pm 


lol@fairyweather selling more. would love to see this trash fight in china as pac is doing. or nyc for that matter. would 5 fans show up? easy to sell a lot when casinos buy up all the tix. pac doesn’t need fairyweather.

Posted October 24, 2013 4:38 pm 


Because he sells more than Pac and if you are the one bringing in most of the dough you get a bigger piece of the Pie. That is how economics works. Why was Pac getting most of the money in all of his fights?

Posted October 24, 2013 4:20 pm 

Your mama”

Dam, my self corectecting iPad is make me unreadable.

Posted October 24, 2013 4:09 pm 

Your mama”

Manny got ko bad because he didn’t see the
Inch coming, you seen that punch, that a big diffrents from seen the punch.
All nasty ko fighter say they never say the punch coming say Paul williams, hatten.
Of you think PAC will be gun shy, and knock out, well then that great. Because you will be more impress when he distroy rio. He be back, and he angry, he wants his old life style and money back. No more mister nice guy, can we say a margarito beat down number two.

Posted October 24, 2013 4:07 pm 


If Mayweather and Pacman fight it should be winner takes all or split it 50 50. WHY SHOULD MAYWEATHER GET MORE MONEY ?

Posted October 24, 2013 3:58 pm 

te tumbo

“I think he was fighting one of the best fights he ever did in his last fight and he just got caught”, which means Pacquiao’s* best is not even good enough to defeat a 39-year-old opponent who he previously avoided being DEMOLISHED by. it also means that the best training camp and performance of Manny’s* career wasn’t good enough to prevent him from being Decked in the third round, losing the 4th round, being utterly FLATTENED in the 6th. Rios, coming off of his first loss, and fighting at 147ishlbs for the first is precisely the level of competition that suits Pacquiao* these days. “Money” is now a distant regret of lost opportunity never to return. no longer enough money there to make sense for undisputed #1 P4P Mayweather.

Posted October 24, 2013 3:54 pm 

Pac is Ducking Bradley and Ruslan

On the tax issue– Chinese viewing fans will not be paying to see the fight- It was said before that they would pay $5 dollars. As for any and all money generated by US PPV- Viewers- That include you and me who will be paying 59.68 the night of the fight– Since this money will be generated in the US- it will be subject to US Taxes- so he will still be paying any and all required US taxes for any and all revenue gained and or earned in the US.

The tax issue is a “ruse” to again get around olympic style blood testing- I been told that Pac will only be tested once he arrives in China which will be 1 week before the fight. What has he been doing all this time leading up to this fight– Pac Pellets perhaps…

Posted October 24, 2013 3:49 pm 


And Pac was the one to turn down the rematch with Bradley the first time saying he thought he already beat him and with Marqeuz he didn’t want to pay Marquez what he was asking for. And when Pac finally figured he ran out of PPV worthy opponents he tried to renegotiate and they turned him down. So Arum came up with Rios and decided to do it in China because he knows it isn’t gonna sell well in the states. The tax garbage is exactly that garbage. Funny how Pac never had an issue before.

Posted October 24, 2013 3:41 pm 


If that was the case then why would Pac turn down 40 mil? And I guarantee you that Arum will not let that happen because he would be going home with no money that night.

Posted October 24, 2013 3:37 pm 


let’s all be real mayweather need to fight pacman !!! stop the b.s and give the fans what they want. i say winner takes all . i say pacman say’s yes and maywether say no

Posted October 24, 2013 3:21 pm 


both bradley AND marquez’ team have BOTH said on camera that they rejected Pacquio’s offer for a rematch to fight each other. Marquez said he didnt want it at all…Bradley said he wanted to take the Marquez fight first

Posted October 24, 2013 3:18 pm 

Pac is Ducking Bradley and Ruslan

hecubus– Bradely and his camp made up rematch posters and tickets before the first fight– Have you for gotten that Pac as a re-match clause if Pac should loss the first fight- Instead of opting for his re-match clause that freddie roach and Pac team insisted on– they opted to refuse the fight- Do you remeber now, why there has been no rematch– Not Bradley- but Pac and his team

Posted October 24, 2013 3:13 pm 


Pac is ducking…. – how is Pac “ducking” Bradley and Ruslan when 1) he already fought Bradley and both Bradley and Marquez turned him down for rematches? 2) Ruslan has only recently became a bigger name with his incredible fights with Bradley and Alvarado and 3) pac has been signed on to fight Rios FOR MONTHS?!

Posted October 24, 2013 3:06 pm 


This time if the Mayweather fight is to be made if he gets past Rios. Manny will have to be willing to take the back seat and let Mayweather drive in the negotiations, if he don’t I dont see the fight happening. Mayweather has already once taken the back seat to make the fight only asking to have olympic style drug testing up to a week before the fight. As we knoe the fight was not made and that was after Mayweather backed off of the testing up until the day before the fight. Now Manny will have to give before he will get especially if Arums involved.

Posted October 24, 2013 2:46 pm 

Pac is Ducking Bradley and Ruslan

One article and Freddy Roach’s comments cannot and will not change reality. What you saw in the past several fights for Pac is the reality of the fighter. Let’s start with

1) Bradley- Pac was not hammering Bradley- Most of the punches thrown did not connect and those that did, did not seem to phase Bradley as he has a world class chin, and other worldly will power. What you did see though was Pac slowing down drastically in the later rounds, to where he was hardly throwing any punches at all, and was leg weary, with what appeared again to be leg cramps. Do I think Bradley did enough to take the belt away from the current belt holder–NO he did not. But the judges saw otherwise- Do I think Pac beat bradley impressively no- Bradley more than held his own, and took and gave as good as he got. Pac did not rematch- showing perhaps some fear that if they fought again, Bradley could beat him not only on the score cards, but in the mind of the Real Boxing Fans. Not Pac Fanatics cause even when Pac is knocked out by his opponent, in their sad delusional minds- Pac still won the fight.

2) In the Marquez Pac was knocked down by a glancing blow– It seemed to me that he was tiring and let his hand down, and JMM took advantage of the lapse in defense. Pac appeared to be tiring as we went into the end of the 5th which was an excellent round for him. In the sixth it appeared that Pac began to only fight in small bursts. He would predictablly run in and throw his 5 punch combo- the one where he goes–” Ba-Ba-Ba-Ba-Ba” — Anyone who watches 24-7 with him and Freddy roach has memorized his punching pattern- As i noted I have been doing cage fighting for 15 years, and the first time I shaw that training regimen- I knew one day his pattern which is the same all the time, every fight- was going to one day get him knocked out by a thinking counter puncher. In the sixth he came with that pattern. Ba-straight right– Ba- straight left -Ba Right cross—It was at this point that JMM dodged the right cross with a timed head movement and then caught Pac with the perfect counter to a missed right cross– a left hook to the jaw– Lights out.

Freddie is on a multi fighter, multi fight lossing streak as his training methods are always the same with every fighter- Repeated punching patterns on the body suite- so he has not credibility- You will see Pac will be showing his age if he does not get knocked out in the first 3-4 rounds. Then the mention Maywether in the same breath as a two time losser– Pac needs to clean up his past– and fight Bradley- before he can even talk about anyone else.

Posted October 24, 2013 2:44 pm 


Hard to say he was on his way to knocking out Marquez when he has had Marquez on the ground 5 times and has yet to keep him there. Once he was down 3 times in one round. So hard to believe that.

Posted October 24, 2013 2:42 pm 

boxing barlow

Just my opinion, but he was robbed against Bradley who we all know know how good he is after doing what he did to Marquez, so he can’t be slipping that much. And I think he was on his way to knocking out Marquez until he git caught.

Posted October 24, 2013 2:26 pm 


I think Pac slipped…but not as much as some think…

Posted October 24, 2013 1:53 pm 


Let’s hope that Freddie is right.

Posted October 24, 2013 1:25 pm 


And Marquez landed that punch often against Pac. In every fight he hurt Pac with a punch. Just this time Pacs chin finally cracked.

Posted October 24, 2013 12:39 pm 


Pac did not get caught cold in the Marquez fight. That was in the 6th round and he was very much warmed up. He wasn’t running through Marquez or about to stop him. If he was about to stop him then he would of stopped him in the first 2 fights and that did not happen. He also was not hammering Bradley. Yes I agree Pac should of gotten the nod but he was missing a lot of punches he got credit for through compubox which is why you can’t compubox as a reason for winning. He lost the Bradley fight because the judges didn’t appreciate him fighting for 30 seconds a round. And I Marquez got robbed in the 3rd fight. Marquez should of gotten the not for that fight.

Posted October 24, 2013 12:38 pm 


Ain’t that the truth………

Posted October 24, 2013 12:33 pm 

boxing barlow

I personally don’t think pacman has slipped as much as his recent record suggests. He hammered Bradley and was robbed. And he was hammering Marquez until he got caught cold. Im not one who goes for this lucky punch talk but it took 4 fights for Marquez to find that punch and my money would be it would take another 4 for him to find that punch again. Pac is still head and shoulders number one contender to Mayweather in my book.

Posted October 24, 2013 12:23 pm 

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