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that’s how people who depend on the media for their knowledge get crossed up…i can’t believe someone actually printed an article saying elmo henderson beat Ali…..that is the most ridiculous outright lie i have ever heard…i saw the exhibition and none of what the article says is true

Posted March 14, 2013 3:16 pm 


i saw the fight bigfoot and elmo was a clown and no threat to Ali….i don’t lie i might have been wrong about the order of fighter but elmo was no threat what so ever….i’m going to look it up because you’re a total idiot if you believe elmo was of any consequence i don’t make up lies or live in a fantasy world like you

Posted March 14, 2013 3:07 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Is it that hard to address the issue?

Posted March 14, 2013 11:55 am 

Unbiased Dane

Ernie : is it that hard to debate without calling people names ? I must admit the comment about my screen name hurt just a little bit.

Posted March 14, 2013 11:44 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

One of my favorite fighters is Mikkel Kessler, a Dane. Like Joe Calzaghe, don’t like Bernard Hopkins, can’t stand Broner, big fan of Matthysse. As usual, you have no idea what you are talking about, can’t even get your screen name correct from post to post. Go back to your potato Schnaaps…

Posted March 14, 2013 11:04 am 

unbias dane

Ernie: Its very clear that it matters too you wether a boxer is american or not. You praise Ali but are always on the articel´s about the Klitschko´s, saying how boring they are. Despite their high ko ratio, but for instance you never mention the boring fights Ali was in or the gifted decisions he got. Like others biased persons you have two different measurements when it comes to american and non american fighters.

Posted March 14, 2013 7:59 am 


Dane…Boxing was always worldwide yesteryear it was in the olympics when fighters faced each other from around the world.And the guys people love to puy down Ali..Frasier..Foreman..all won gold showing they were the best at that time.Its the anti-american attack on the fighters like forth I find troubling.These idiots today wont be happy untill we say yes the Wachs and Prices are giants and are great fighters to big for the old time greats….well sorry I dont fall for that crap I know what to look for in a boxer.And dont get hung up on eras old or NEW just look how a boxer works in the ring..speed..shape..IQ..reflects..footwork..ability to throw punches..combos..overall skill and heart..thats what counts.I make claims from what i see not where I guy is from or what year he was born.

Posted March 13, 2013 8:56 pm 


I have one question regarding the Henderson story. Did anybody who saw it write about it? This reminds me of Resurecting the Champ when Samuel L tells those BS stories. I can’t find anything besides Wiki and his word of mouth. Word would have gotten out if this really happened

Posted March 13, 2013 8:11 pm 

Unbiased Dane

Its plain idiotic to compare eras and saying atlethes from 40 years ago would be better.
Its a fact that the more atlethes you have the better perfomence. And today we have more fighters in hw and from all over the world. But of course the national or even racial biased americans claim that the era where their boxers dominated the division was so much better than the last two era´s where non americans dominated the division. I really feel sorry for those fools who just cant enjoy boxing and give a damn about the fighters nationality. They are really lost in the past.

Posted March 13, 2013 6:16 pm 


Anonymous go to the-shot-heard-round.html
Elmo was the first one. Before you said you saw the fight which was apparently a lie. You seem to come up them as you go along on here.

Posted March 13, 2013 5:26 pm 


What a foolish thing to say Ali..Foreman..Frasier..all beat the soviet union fighters because they won gold.And if those commies were allowed to turn pro Ali..Foreman..Frasier..would have wooped their asses again…lol.

Posted March 13, 2013 4:48 pm 


ali fought some other fighters that night also, elmo was one of the last ones and ali was way out of condition, but would have ko’d elmo quick if he tried anything

Posted March 13, 2013 4:01 pm 


bigfoot…yes i did , elmo was no threat to Ali whatsoever…he did make him laugh though

Posted March 13, 2013 3:59 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

The sisters just haven’t displayed the excitement and heart of the great former heavyweight champs who have made the sport what it was. Frazier and Ali were close to death and neither would quit, real heart right there. Broken jaw, eyes closed, being floored by big George foreman time after time and still getting up, legendary. As far as the Klits are concerned, quitting because of “injuries” or “poisoning” and being EXTREMELY boring are just a few reasons why young fans are migrating towards MMA. A heavyweight title match today just doesn’t bring the crowds like it once did…

Posted March 13, 2013 3:33 pm 


Even the size of fighters are being overrated.Look at recent times we still see guys like the top of the heap in more modern times guys that were lt.heavys at one time.Not saying there willnt be another big guy like Fury say becoming champ after the k-bro.But time will tell and size itself can still fall short(no pun intended)

Posted March 13, 2013 12:39 pm 

Eleanore the Hag

Suliman is a writer!!?? Hmm. Maybe he should be in the BWAA with the rest of the pretenders, suck ups, and buffet divers like Fat Dan Ratfael.

Posted March 13, 2013 12:33 pm 


If you want to fighters like Arreola..Sonowski..Charr..Wach..Mormeck..Peter..Chisora..go right ahead.To me we see smaller guys with skills..heart..and great condition.And with the other group we see bigger men with less skills less heart and in alot worse shape who I doubt could last 15 rounds at a decent pace.Take away the k-bros. and the hvwt. div. goes down hill fast.Boxing is a primative sport where modern tech. dosent mean as much as in other sports.Modern forth isnt as important as in other sports.Its still just 2 men in a square ring.

Posted March 13, 2013 12:27 pm 


Why don’t we just look at the things Wlad has said about Ali. His opinion of Ali’s greatness can answer the questions in this debate

Posted March 13, 2013 10:58 am 


Improve as in you mean they throw LESS punches, they are usually clods and that could NOT go 15 rounds if they had an oxygen mask in the corner and had shot guns to the back of their heads? I concede Wlad is a specimen of an athlete but as I have stated 1000 times before he does NOT typify the HW boxer of today, most of these guys are NOT special they are lauded because often they are BIG…. Wach is a monster of a man but his skillset could be found in the amateur ranks amongst a TON of fighters… Wilder his another BIG yet technically average fighter… Sure many of these clods can punch owing in large part to sheer muscle mass but alot of the markers of athletic progress are deficient in many of these guys… Haye is about 5x the athlete that MOST HW’s are despite him being small for the division these days….

Posted March 13, 2013 10:50 am 

Unbiased Dane

Ali was certenly the greatest at selling himself. And no one comes close to him in trashtalking(worst ever must be David Haye). The reason why we still debate or talk about this fight is part due to boxing fans like myself who has interest in boxing history and big fights from the past, and americans who finds comfort looking back at the time when their fighters was the stars and they dominated the hw division. All atlethes improve during time, it unfair to compare fighters from 40 years ago with todays fighters.

Posted March 13, 2013 10:26 am 


The standing and accomplishments of Ali can NEVER be brought down by Wlad its simply impossible… Ali was immoratalized LONG before Wlad ever laced up as a pro, the reason that we are marking the anniv of ONE of Ali’s great fights 42 years later is because of how memorable it was and the committment of the combatants.. Wlad is NEVER going to have a snapshot like this because he has NEVER been in the ring with a Great fighter… Its Wlads era currently thats not up for intelligent debate but even the Klits acknowledge Ali as a mythical beast who helped make boxing what it is today.

Posted March 13, 2013 8:59 am 


It could be very well true that Ali would not ahe beaten Wlad but overall I just don’t think it’s fair to bring down the accomplishments of previous fighters like Ali by comparing them to today’s fighters. World has changed. Carl Lewis would probably not even make it to the final of the Olympics today but does that mean he was less talented then today’s guys? Don’t think so…

Posted March 13, 2013 5:05 am 


Take away the k-bros. and you have alot of big over sized stiffs in the hvwt. div. with limited skills.Still put my money on Ali NOBODY in this day and age faced a boxer like him..or faced a guy with his ring I.Q.

Posted March 13, 2013 12:07 am 


Yes and guys were saying not to long ago the giant athletic Price would crush a guy like smokin Joe..hhmmm.

Posted March 13, 2013 12:04 am 


Americans are fools right..haha.While we were eating steaks and owning 2 cars and big holmes.You commie idiots were going hungry living like crap in some hell hole.Even today russian whores will open their legs to western guys to get out of their crap hole country.And yes the American fighters would win the gold back in the day because they were better boxers.Even if the russians could turn pro back then it wouldnt make a difference they lost in the olympics…and they would have lost if there crappy country let them compete as pros they already were beaten as olympic fighters.It would have been the same results ofcourse as pros they already were defeated by the americans.Yes you can try to rewrite history but the facts are there plain as day.

Posted March 12, 2013 10:53 pm 


boxtra is weird.

Posted March 12, 2013 9:02 pm 

burzhui sosut hooy

nothing you wrote jt doesn’t change the fact that it was a just local us championship.

as for the best hwt ever it’s obviously not ali- probably the weakest puncher ever, the guy with no defense and ultra boring style. the best heavyweight is the boxer with great all-around skills, powerful punch, footspeed and experience against big guys. That would be Lewis or Klichkos. Probably Vladimir cause he is superior in comparison to Vitamin and Lewis.

Posted March 12, 2013 8:56 pm 


I am not saying Ali would beat todays guys head to head. It is just amazing that Ali could not train and show up fat against guys who claimed to be in the shape of their lives. Then he would stand there and they would get tired and he would KO them. He could beat you 100 different ways. He had so much ring IQ. Very few HWT fighters show that kind of intellect

Posted March 12, 2013 8:52 pm 


Defecting was frowned upon as evidenced by the Berlin wall and the people who were getting shot and killed by trying to cross over to w. berlin. There were very few of those. I think Napoles got out of cuba just in time. One Mircea Simon was hidden in a slot machine in Las Vegas to defect. But it would have to been done carefully. Otherwise, it just wasn’t done old chap.

Posted March 12, 2013 8:47 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Little cruiserweight Joe Frazier beat the hell outta of Ali twice and people call him “the greatest of all time.’ LOL! What a joke. Ali is the most overrated boxer of all time. Period. Neither man would have any chance whatsoever against the modern Super HW Greats (Lewis, Klitschkos brothers). Fact.

Posted March 12, 2013 8:31 pm 


OK Burhzui who do you rate as the best Hwt? Mine is Ali. You have such a big opinion why don’t you enlighten us.

Posted March 12, 2013 8:29 pm 


It was not boring but ali did clinch past prime joe over 90 times. 90 clinches! It was no Demarco/basilio or Leonard/Hearns. A good but not great match. ali was too busy cheaing on his wife to be in better shape.

Posted March 12, 2013 8:24 pm 


Just did(Though I’m not a commie). Would those 3 gold medalists have even become amateur boxers if they didn’t have the incentive of going on to become pros or in other words if there was no professional boxing in the USA? Well that motivation was absent in
the communist countries during the cold war.

Posted March 12, 2013 8:15 pm 


Ali(1960), Frazier(1964) and Foreman(1968), all won OLYMPIC GOLD before turning to pros. How do you knucklehead commies explain that?

Posted March 12, 2013 7:34 pm 


Then again it’s probable that the best of the commie countries didn’t bother with amateur boxing because it wouldn’t lead to a lucrative professional career as it did in the USA.

Posted March 12, 2013 6:38 pm 


Hey Burzui go back to the zoo

Cooper Bugner Mildenberger Lubbers Coopman Evangelista Blin. Some real american names huh. You are a RTARD go back to ur salad and leave us alone

American title huh? Those were the best foreigners. Name anybody else not from the USA that Ali didnt beat. STUPID

Posted March 12, 2013 6:06 pm 


the almost cruiserweight Cuban Teofilo Stevenson schooled all the slavic commies back then. I rest my case. Go cry somewhere else commies,,,I smell losers here. I foccking hate and despise losers.

Posted March 12, 2013 5:54 pm 

burzhui sosut hooy

I can see puss ass alifants here. ali n fraziers are two of the most light hitting half- heavyweights ever. no power, no speed, no offense, no defense, no skills. two local dudes that fought for north american championship. boring mofos.

Posted March 12, 2013 5:43 pm 


I can see the Klittards grouping here, what a surprise

Posted March 12, 2013 5:40 pm 

Unbiased Dane

Ernie said: ”Two of the greatest heavyweight warriors to ever step onto the ring”
the only top fighter Fraizer fought was Foreman and Ali, he won one out of five. I like Fraizer a great person and a great fighter, but not among the greatest ever.

Posted March 12, 2013 5:03 pm 

burzhui sosut hooy

strange to see moron accusations from mayvazer! go fk yourself local star

Posted March 12, 2013 4:48 pm 

burzhui sosut hooy

ali and fraziers were LOCAL AMERICAN CHAMPIONS. They we not WORLD champions. and go fk yourself with evangelical and mildenberger and some other west european bums. There were no east europeans which is half of current boxing scene

Posted March 12, 2013 4:28 pm 


Good story to read.

Posted March 12, 2013 4:27 pm 


Elmo even claims to have knocked out Ali.

Posted March 12, 2013 3:03 pm 


Hmmm. I just checked out Elmo Henderson on wikipedia and it doesn’t indicate that’s how it went. Are you sure you saw that exhibition?

Posted March 12, 2013 3:02 pm 


i saw the exhibition and henderson just danced around and did nothing but make ali laugh…didn’t land a single punch on ali

Posted March 12, 2013 2:29 pm 


I agree with Mayweather86, we’ve got a new biggest idiot on the site – Burzhui, are you saying Ali vs Frazier 1 and 3 were boring? Cause you may be the only one on the planet who does

Posted March 12, 2013 2:16 pm 


Yet they’ve done so well.

Posted March 12, 2013 1:27 pm 


Don’t tell anyone but one club fighter named Elmo Henderson beat Ali in an exhibition fight back in the early 70’s. It was definitely a smaller world of heavyweights back in the 70’s compared to now. It’s hard to say how these far guys would go today with the greater opposition while moving up. It was an entertaining and enjoyable era but below the top 5 or 6 guys there wasn’t much to impress. Then again, how well would Johnson, Dempsey, Louis, or Marciano have done in the 70’s?

Posted March 12, 2013 1:09 pm 


Cooper Bugner Mildenberger Lubbers Coopman Evangelista Blin. Some real american names huh. You are a RTARD go back to ur salad and leave us alone

Posted March 12, 2013 9:33 am 

burzhui sosut hooy

who knows, maybe they would be average cruiserweights nowadays. but they are obviously weak heavyweights that been fighting on a local domestic level their whole careers. it’s total bullsht to call them heavyweight champions of the world. they’re cruiserweight/halfheavyweightchamps of whatever but WORLD.

Posted March 12, 2013 4:51 am 


They would be awesome cruiser weights if in their prime today.

Posted March 12, 2013 3:48 am 

burzhui sosut hooy


Posted March 12, 2013 12:53 am 


My apologies to traveller, your are no longer the biggest moron on site. That guy must be drunk or something its not possible to be that dumb is it

Posted March 11, 2013 11:35 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Two of the greatest heavyweight warriors to ever step onto the ring. Heavyweight boxing at it’s finest…

Posted March 11, 2013 10:34 pm 

burzhui sosut hooy

ali & fraziers are two of the/if not the weakest hitters of all time. their fights are BOREFESTS and total waste of time. two bums. no defense no offense no power no speed no skills. two punchbags that we would never heard of today if they were fighting. weak local american champions they are.

Posted March 11, 2013 9:56 pm 

Bert Blewett fan

Go away Jose, youre a profesional lier.Go away .

Posted March 11, 2013 8:14 pm 

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