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Ali actually beat no great fighters who weighed over 225lbs.

That is just a fact-burger, and you can wash it down with some truth-juice that ALi couldn`t defend a left hook to save his life and nearly got KO’ed by 185lb Henry Cooper.

Posted December 31, 2014 12:12 am 


Sred sez…. “You have to show me David Haye with 60 professional fights under his belt..” Not really I don’t.. Haye’s a much better defender with 30 or so fights than Ali ever was.. Haye’s a better attacker as well, with a stronger body attack, better stance, stronger left hook, harder and faster jab, and better head movement … Wladimir has more professional AND more amateur fights than Ali, and he won Olympic Gold at Heavyweight not Light Heavyweight.. Wladimir learned more from Manny Steward in 10 years than Ali learned from any and all trainers he had in his life.

Posted November 13, 2012 2:19 am 



Posted November 10, 2012 9:35 pm 


75houston…You say nostalgia isnt rolling in my house.I guess you rather listen to Lady ga ga then jimi Hendrix…or watch American Idol then watch a John Coltrane tape?Well I say thank God for nostalgia when it comes to some of this modern day crap.

Posted November 10, 2012 8:28 pm 


Ali was NOT a huge puncher and he fought in the era of 15 round bouts so when you discuss damage and the way his career went you have to show me David Haye with 60 professional fights under his belts… Ali was what 22 fighting a Rock Hard HW like Liston what was Haye doing at 22 years old??? How many HW Championship defenses and fights does David Haye have??? AGAIN he is a really good athlete and was a beast at Cruiser, but saying blindly “he would beat Ali” is pretty much a joke and a statement made absent any appropriate testing…. Ali beat Great fighters, Wlad, Haye, and Vitali have NOT….

Posted November 10, 2012 8:24 pm 


Tark cut the crap about training methods David Haye has barely even fought at HW so lets get real he has UNDER 10 fights at that weight…Does he even have 30 professional bouts overall??? He is a very good athlete and a hard hitting fighter, that said when you compare him to one of the GREATEST to ever do it, consensus Top 2 it sounds foolish because Ali proved himself and Haye has NOT at that level… Ali got hit because he was in with fighters who were going to hit you, or you would not win… Walkover opponents don’t hit back or cannot due to lack of skill… When Haye fought Wlad he fought like he was out of his league whereas win or lose Ali would have fought to win the fight…

Posted November 10, 2012 8:21 pm 


Decker who says that all Alis fights with with Norton, Foreman, Frazier, Lyle or Liston?? FACT is that he did HAVE fights and wins against that caliber of opponent… The Klits have amassed alot of wins against guys that consistently presented a LOW threat level ie Mariuz Wach this evening… Who is the MOST dangerous guy that they beat??? Its easy to say Haye would beat Ali especially when you exclude the fact he has to date NEVER beat a better opponent at HW than Chisora in terms of youth, toughness and size…Ali proved he was GREAT because he beat GREAT fighters…. Haye is talented, that said he lacks the desire to be an exceptional HW in the way Ali did… Can he clear out alot of the refuse of today?? Sure but how many of them want to step up either??

Posted November 10, 2012 8:18 pm 


The thing that people like BP Jones, Sred, and Goosey forget is that the world has evolved greatly in athletic training since the days of Ali.. Ali’s defense was weak and he absorbed a lot of punches.. Haye picks his spots, but in so doing he also limits the damage he takes.. It gives pause to any boxer when they look at Ali, Frazier, Quarry, Bowe, Johansson, Louis, and other world famous heavyweights who suffered obvious brain damage.. It’s really the training and sparring because the fight is only one night.. But once the contract is signed Haye puts every possible effort into that camp so he comes out of the fight as cleanly as possible.. Inflict severe damage, but absorb very few solid shots yourself, and slide that money right into the bank … Ali got hit by Holmes, Norton, and Frazier—but Ali also got hit by Lyle, Cooper, Mildenberger, Chuvalo, Al Lewis, Mathis, Spinks and others who didn’t have elite skills.. i.e. look at his condition vs Young.

Posted November 10, 2012 7:38 pm 


Following the TARK-Sred debate. Obvious which side I’m on.

Look, Ali was the best in his era – mid 60s to mid 70s. He did NOT age all that well and was getting gift decisions later in his career. Chinny Norton beat Ali in their last fight but as Norton said “Ali was bigger than boxing”. Ali huggers like Sred act like almost every fight Ali had was vs a Foreman, Frazier, Shavers, or a Lyle. This is ridiculous and more to the point, except for Foreman, the other 3 named above would get murdered by top HWs today and you can exclude the K bros or LL. Ali also fought his share of no hopers in his career. Sred accuses other fans of doing what he does – selective and biased analysis !

CW Quarry boxed the ears off of Ron Lyle and KO’d the murderous punching Shavers in 1. Quarry would be mauled by this eras top HWs, as would Frazier, Shavers, or Lyle. Likewise for 1980s and early 90s HWs. Remember the Communist block didn’t fall until the late 80s. Now look at all the top HWs from Russia, Ukraine, Poland, etc.

Sure Price might be a factor – let’s see what chin he has when he gets tested.

Haye is a good HW. His best win was the Chisora stoppage. He looked awful vs Wlad.
But Haye would most likely beat Ali, maybe stop him. It would shock many fans, but not me. Haye would beat Lyle, Shavers (unless Shavers got to DH weak chin early), Frazier, and other top 70s-80s HWs. He could very well UD Foreman. Yet Haye isn’t all that in the current era.

The HWs from the past might wear themselves out just hitting a huge HW like Wach LOL

Posted November 10, 2012 6:17 pm 


If somebody really looses I don’t make excuses… But I don’t go with official results at ANY time.. The guy who won is the guy I know won.. I know Chisora beat Helenius… Pacquiao beat Bradley… Vitali beat Lewis… etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. But if somebody really got beaten, such as Lewis gettng laid out by one shot from Rahman and McCall, there’s no excuse for that, and I don’t mke one up… I didn’t rave about Wach beating McBride.. It was an impressive KO over a guy who easily went the distance wtih 216-pound Adamek, but it was a tomato can win.. The kind of fight Wach’s been forced to take because contenders won’t fight him… Do you think Wach could get a fight with Povetkin??? Never. Helenius??? Hell no. Fury??? Absolutely not. Even Wilder??? NO … Wach fights guys who have a mortgage payment coming up … or are oblivious to their mental health. This Wladimir fight, even though he’ll probably lose, will help him get appropriate fights.

Posted November 10, 2012 6:09 pm 


gonna post under the fight results article above discussing the results coming in from the broadcast

Posted November 10, 2012 5:51 pm 


Adrian the Klits are FAR from Bad they belong in the HOF but their opponents leave alot of questions as to how good they REALLY are… Sad but true

Posted November 10, 2012 5:48 pm 


Gotta respect Klits preparation he always looks like sculpted marble… Nice tribute by Dibella, Rafael and Klits for Steward…. Dude will be missed, Wlad is going to kill this guy no 2 ways about it..

Posted November 10, 2012 5:47 pm 


Fight is real soon guys!

Posted November 10, 2012 5:45 pm 


anyone have a link of the fight klitchko vs wach? btw sredmond again with the same old song bro? all the klitchkos opponent are bad because klitchkos are bad ehh? come on bro you we already know you dont like them ,get over it , lets watch the fight …

Posted November 10, 2012 5:38 pm 



“I don’t look at all that psychological stuff or who someone beat.” Lol.. Thats because most of the time you are too busy making up excuses for why someone lost..

Posted November 10, 2012 5:37 pm 


I don’t look at all that psychological stuff or who someone beat. I pick winners based on their raw skills, toughness, speed, power, smarts, as well as their LACK of all around skills—and whatever flaws they bring to the table. I use my experience and knowledge. I try to observe with an objective eye. Danny Garcia was widely seen as an inexperienced kid who never beat anyone.. Amir Khan dominated Judah and beat bomber Marcos Maidana—so he was a HUGE betting favorite—but the kid with the great all around skills beat the charismatic speed demon with the defensive flaws. Hand and foot speed are not the be all and end all.. A man with Keen native intelligence and painstakingly acquired skills and physical strength, who attacks the sport in an all around way—such as Haye—would beat Ali … Ali was my idol as a kid—but I’ve bet on one hell of a lot of fights since then, and that’s taught me to be objective.

Posted November 10, 2012 4:53 pm 


Tark wants us to believe that the BRAVE Tomas Adamek is ducking a guy he (Tark) characterizes as Povetkins sparring partner… (Wach) ahhhhhhh, there is no limit to this maniacs sorrid claims!

Posted November 10, 2012 4:31 pm 


As for Haye “quitting” thats another aspect of him that would prove difficult when facing Ali… David has one foot in and one foot out of boxing and he ONLY wants money fights (somewhat understandable) Ali was a HW Champion of a level that David Haye will NEVER be…He won the title 3 times, he was forced out of the sport, he beat the odds and never stopped trying to be TOP man…At age 32 David Haye is possibly pegging his future to ONE fighter as opposed to going on a rampage… I would like to see Vitali fight Haye, it would be good for the division in terms of visibility but the reality is that Haye and Ali are cut from a different cloth and internal fortitude, desire and perseverance are qualities that cannot be forged in training camp or on a message board….

Posted November 10, 2012 4:20 pm 


Tark, you try to use the SLOW, lumbering Chisora as a proxy for how Haye would fare against Ali?? C’mon man Ali knew how to MOVE and he proved his chin across 60 or so pro contests Chisora was knocked out by a guy 40 pounds lighter before he had 20 fights on the books…. Ali stood in for 15 rounds with Great and seriously determined fighters for years and was NEVER KOed the way Chisora was….He was pushing 39 and inactive for 2 years when an ATG (Holmes) finally showed him he was an OLD man… I know you will say “39 is young because Vitali is fighting” if it is so young then why was Vitali NOT fighting all the way thru??? UMMMM because the sport takes a toll and Ali was fighting TOP comp all thru his 30’s… You should have more care for your already tattered reputation by trying to sell Ali as a David Haye lackey based on Chisora!!

Posted November 10, 2012 4:15 pm 


Tark, trying to define Ali by his loss to Spinks at the end of his career has been your all consuming passion and its a poor sell… Wlad was getting destroyed by weak fighters in his prime, and Vitali was quitting during his… Norton, and Lyle BOTH lost to Ali and thats just a fact despite how tightly Ken Norton fought him… Who has David Haye faced at HW that was a threat on a historical level and defeated??? NO ONE…. I think he is a dangerous fighter but his resume at HW is not anything to ring the alarm about… (Adamek beat better ranked comp absent that monstrosity Valuev) Hayes all around best win at HW was Chisora who is a TOUGH, STRONG yet limited fighter…If you think you are going to sell Derek as some sort of incredible fighter, try again hes a guy with under 20 bouts and he legitimately dropped 3 of them (not counting Helenius)…

Posted November 10, 2012 4:11 pm 


Tark, again you are selling ANOTHER fallacious argument the reality is that Adamek boldly took the fight with Vitali when he was BADLY outgunned AFTER he had faced big Mike Grant and Arreola is no one special to me but he is still a taller than average HW and he can hit… You are trying to sell Adamek as ducking Wach in order to build up his threat to Wlad… Your campaign is transparent, unsellable and unbelieveable…Why would Adamek fight Wach when he faced 3 relevant names such as Klits, Arreola and Chambers?? Wach is not even a World Class fighter….

Posted November 10, 2012 4:07 pm 


Ali was an overrated boxer.. He engaged in brawling with Frazier, and actually got outboxed by Norton and Spinks.. Remember, even slow as molasses Ron Lyle out-boxed Ali for 11 rounds.. Ali was fast, but lacked some fundamental offensive and defensive skills.. I’d go with Haye to win a lopsided decision for a lot of reasons … Chisora is a 250lb strong and solid heavyweight with basic all around skills. Chisora can apply a lot of pressure because of his toughness, size, and physical strength. Haye finally came of age as a heavyweight in dismantling Chisora, It would be stupid for Haye to quit now, right at his peak. A loss for Boxing… But that’s what he’s talking about doing if he can’t get a Vitali fight.

Posted November 10, 2012 4:02 pm 


Sred…. Don’t be stupid man.. Adamek fought Vitali for the money NOT because he thought he had any chance in HELL of beating VK.. Arreola is only 6’4″ tall and it’s one HELL of a lot easier to box an unskilled guy 6’4″ than a skilled guy 6’8″.. Arreola has the same problem George Foreman had—he eats jabs like they’re hamburgers.. Obviously, if you’re Adamek, you take an Arreola fight in a split sceond because you can jab him to death … A Wach fight for Adamek? Hell no. He’d have a good chance of getting knocked out. It doesn’t have anything to do with being courageous—which I agree Adamek has in abundance—it has to do with business acumen, which Adamek also has in abundance.

Posted November 10, 2012 3:43 pm 


Haye is a better puncher than Ali but prime for prime he was NOT faster nor better on his feet… As for power he was not the biggest hitter that Ali would face by plenty… Liston, Shavers and Foreman ALL capped WAY more HW’s and fighter than David Haye ever has… NONE stopped Ali or even put him down, and he stopped two of them and beat the 3rd (Shavers)….Again Haye is quite an athlete but trying to paint his as an Ali superior or equivalent in the absence of demonstrable HW accomplishment is just more of Tarks (Timothy Leary) type view on boxing…

Posted November 10, 2012 3:39 pm 


Tark is a HUGE Larry Holmes fan and if he says different I wring his neck thru the computer LOL.. At age 35 Kenny Norton gave Holmes ALL he could handle when Larry was prime…Trying to chump a tough fighter like Norton who (Foreman knocked out) in order to downplay Ali is more of Tarks BS analysis…Truth is that beating Chisora, Barrett, Valuev and Ruiz has an amateur analyst like Tark confused as to how good David Haye is…Ali had incredible stamina (a knock on Haye at times) and a will to win that was unparalleled and ultimately to his detriment… He never let scrubs TKO him as a prime fighter, and he never lost to anyone in his prime who was not a fighter of substance…Ali had his jaw broken and kept fighting, Haye hurt his toe and checked out… Haye might catch Vitali at this point but saying he would dust Ali is dubious…

Posted November 10, 2012 3:34 pm 


David Haye is a terrific athlete but he does NOT have a the level of Championship character that is owned by Ali and that would easily be his undoing…Ali came to win and was not in the business of dialing it in as a prime fighter… No way he would come into a Championship fight and try to survive in the prime of his life…. Tark is a moron who would compare ANY HW of today to Ali in order to sell the unsellable… Ali stood in there with one of the most dangerous HW punchers in the history of the sport and knocked him out…Haye got in with Wlad and opted to survive… Foreman knocked out over 12 times the # of HW’s that David Haye has, Ali would deal with Haye like he did all the rest… Comparing a proven GREAT HW to a terrific Cruiser and good/very good short term HW like Haye is the province of FOOLS like Tark….

Posted November 10, 2012 3:30 pm 


PigMan… Ali would not beat Haye—and the reason is Ali ate jabs and left hooks all night long—even against an unsophisticated boxer like Ken Norton, who’s foot speed and defensive finesse weren’t top caliber … Haye has more physical strength and raw punching power than Ali had to go along with his hand and foot speed. He has better head movement and defensive finesse, and doesn’t make amateurish mistakes such as pulling straight back from punches … Remember, even slow as molasses Ron Lyle out-boxed Ali for 11 rounds. I’d go with Haye to win a lopsided decision.

Posted November 10, 2012 3:24 pm 


Tark says “Adamek stays away from Big Tall punchers” BUT he is willing to fight Chris Arreola who is I believe 6″4 and whose only asset is power and he fights Vitali Klitschko who is 6″8 and is the TKO king according to his fans??? How logical is that statement?? Adamek to his credit fought 3 name guys at HW, Klitschko, Arreola and Chambers but Tark wants to paint the courageous Pole as ducking this non factor in the division Wach??? GTFOH….. Another attempt to elevate a Klit opponent while tearing down whomever is needed…

Posted November 10, 2012 3:18 pm 


Adamek was a VERY good Crusier and LHW, he is NOT a major deal at HW and just had a tough fight with a one handed Chambers…. I like Tomas, but trying to build Wach off of NOT fighting Adamek is just another WEAK Tark tactic….Povetkin and Wach sparring is NOT going to make this guy a BETTER kill for Wlad, he is a 15-1 underdog for a reason and the reason is that he is NOT a World Class fighter and Wlad is an entrenched Champion of many years… NO ONE not Tark, not Bears, not K2 any of the usual Klit jock grabbers breathed this guys name till Wlad picked him for the kill… Lets be really Wachs a NO HOPER he is just taller than many of the rest… Sheesh

Posted November 10, 2012 3:13 pm 

Kid Blast

I have abda feeling about this one….

Posted November 10, 2012 3:13 pm 


I just hope we get a good fight, whoever wins.

Posted November 10, 2012 3:03 pm 


ISeeIt says…, “I think Adamek beats Wach” … The Wach people tried to get Adamek to fight—and nothing doing—Adamek stays a away from big tall punchers because he had a rough night with Michael Grant—who is slower than a tortoise pulling a load of scrap iron through quicksand.. Wach lit up Povetkin in sparring and had to lighten up on him.. It’s not easy for a 6’7.5″ big puncher—who can box and jab—to get top guys to fight.. You can call 20 or 30 heavyweights who are not a bit interested before you land a fight … Even with a loss to Wladimir this fight, Wach’s chances to get more fights should improve dramatically—because of better name recognition and the money that will follow

Posted November 10, 2012 2:58 pm 


A prime Evander Holyfied would handle ALL these challengers around, lets get real.. Povetkin, Pulev, Helenius, Price, and Mitchell would all be put on their heels by a guy with real skills and a Champs heart… Holy battled much bigger men and gave them hell even during losses to GREATS…. 24 rounds with Lewis and he was better second fight than first, 36 with Bowe, racking up a win and putting Big Bowe on his ass, TKO 30 year old Tyson, TKO Moorer after dropping a points win… These dudes roaming around today don’t have that fire and gut check commitment to win…. Many are scared to even try to be Champions let alone actually pull it off… Evander did it 4 times coming up from Cruiser and should have got the nod against Valuev at 46….

Posted November 10, 2012 2:40 pm 


The Klits level of opposition is going DOWN a fact they cannot afford given their resumes, Vitali (Forget it) Mormeck, Wach, Charr and Thompson II are pedestrian competitors and even Vitalis last guy with some buzz (Chisora) was disposed of FAR more destructively by former Crusier and much maligned David Haye…. Klits had to trot out the MRI despite him getting a clear win, meanwhile Haye dropped the hammer on Chisora and showed who is boss…. Again the Klits belong in the HOF, but they did NOT wrest power from any of the old guard in the ring (Holy, Bowe, Tyson, Lewis) instead like Povetkin and many of the other unambitious cowards crowding the rankings today, they had to wait till time did what they could not…. Vitali to his credit tried but Lewis turned him back like a barbarian at the gate and the best he could muster was (Sam Peter)

Posted November 10, 2012 2:35 pm 


Tark, you are speaking NONSENSE the reason the Klits losses are brought up is because loyalists like yourself try to sell them as WINS… The Klits losses are magnified vs the Holys, Lewis and Tyson because the Klits NEVER WON against a HOF level opponent.. Wlad’s are obviously striking because they all occured against NOBODIES in the prime of his life via stoppage ….. Vitalis are always going to be in play because of the movement to try and get Lewis into the “W” column for him which is a complete betrayal of his VERY weak resume….

Posted November 10, 2012 2:25 pm 


@ TARK, agree, your comments are spot on.

@ doc why don’y you STFU. Citing the bigoted Sred as someone “who substantiates his comments with thought-out and analytical arguments.” shows how off base you are.

Btw, I consider L Lewis one of the top HWs of all time. I don’t “play the race card” by exposing the likes of Sred. You’re projecting your own thinking on to me. It’s hardly “playing any race card” by pointing out the obvious – more than a few fans are upset by (East) Euros dominating the HW div.

Posted November 10, 2012 1:56 pm 


meh…. Lewis suffered TWO 1-punch KO losses from straight right hands, from guys he was expected to beat very easily … Wladimir has one of the best straight rights in the history of Boxing. He would have a good chance to nail Lewis.

Posted November 10, 2012 1:38 pm 


Sred always lines up all 5 of the K Bros losses… Does he go over every single loss on Lewis’s, Tyson’s, Holyfield’s, and Ali’s record so often? They have more losses and draws than the K Bros.. The Klitschkos improved more, at a higher level, and for a longer period of time than any previous Heavyweight Champions—in part because their close and collaborative relationship, where they talk shop for hours, kept making them better. Lewis, Tyson, Holyfield, and Ali weren’t as consistent, professional, or dedicated to their craft. They never reached the “master craftsman” level you’d expect a completely dedicated fighter to be at 20 odd years after they laced on the gloves—such as Floyd Mayweather Jr and the Klitschkos … Lennox Lewis was a great heavyweight. He was great big, tall, strong, fast, skilled, smart, and a deadly puncher—but he was also a cheater who won a couple of his fights using deliberate foul blows and tactics, and that takes the shine off.

Posted November 10, 2012 1:24 pm 


Sred, you know something about boxing but your heavy biases destroy your “analysis”. For example Vitali did not “quit vs a SMW”. He was severely injured vs a slick small HW. He decided not to risk what might have been career ending damage, so he could fight another day.
Vitali has had a great career.

So obvious you have your undies in knots over the current HW champs. Face it, big white dudes from (mostly) East Europe are dominating the HW div.

Price (if he has a chin) or a Helenius (if he can improve in some areas) or a Pulev might also obtain some share of the HW title in the future.

Posted November 10, 2012 11:17 am 


Someone please put gloves on Lebron James, he would have been a mean boxer…………but the money is in other sports now

Posted November 10, 2012 11:03 am 


75 = lot of nonsenses. Not everything from poresent is better. We had some supertalents like for example Tyson or Jorday. They will be hard to beat. Same with music. We had exelent musicians like BB King, E. Clapton SRV Led Zepplin etc. You may never see like those. Human in not car or electronics. You are narrow minded guy. And trust me probably no one can touch 21 y. old Tyson. For sure not Lewis or Kloitschko. You have to be dedicated, skilled, and born to be champion. But probablu you will never understand this. Do you remember Van Gogh?

Posted November 10, 2012 11:02 am 


75houston, Mo-box, Anonymous, others.
I think you can reasonably compare fighters in the under HW class, although training techniques are better today. The HWs have simply evolved, as many of us realize. Look, I’m American. I can remember how LL was trashed (even now) by American fans. Yet he abused Tyson and both are about the same age. Tyson was past his prime is the excuse. Well if MT was so damn great why did he have this 2 year prime?! F’n Douglas, just a good HW having a big nite, beat a prime, young MT.
But Lewis (or Wlad) go KO’d. Well Frazier, Quarry, Lyle, Chuvalo, Shavers, Ali, Foreman… did not fight prime Rahman or a Sanders – who, if anything, were huge punchers compared to 70s HWs. Only Foreman might compare, and young George lost to a past prime Ali and J Young ! Older GF lost to smallish Holy and Morrison.

I realized many years ago, that when the US stops dominating some sport, then that sport is “weak” and “trash”. Well, that’s a lame, ignorant, and LOSING ‘tude.

Forget LL & K bros. Most top HWs today would beat nearly all of the top HWs from the 90s and before. Don’t cheery pick and apply some biased analysis – think about ALL the match ups.

Posted November 10, 2012 11:02 am 


We saw Helenius handled by shorter bulky guy, (Chisora) throwing names like Wilder, Price, Wach and Fury around is nice but who have they beat??? Fury got a win over a tough young fighter but these dudes have not proven they are major HW players… We saw David Haye who was best at Cruiser, completely obliterate Chisora in a manner that Fury, Klitschko and Helenius could NOT do on a combined basis…This weak era cannot be hidden behind the Klits, and in fairness to other eras these two guys have signed a peace treaty so we never get to see who would win between the two of them… I know, (Brother, Brother, Brothers) but the fact remains there is an important piece of biz that has not been attended to in that regardi….

Posted November 10, 2012 10:48 am 


C’mon the Lewis, Wlad and Vitali are 3 guys in HW history with that type of size that have been solid Champs…. But its important to note that the Klits took quite awhile to establish themselves when smaller HW’s with real skills Holy, Tyson ect were around… Facts are Facts Wlad was getting knocked out by NON Super HW’s and being asked to retire by his Bro and Vitali was quitting against a SMW…. The Klits dominance came via the retirement of some strong fighters and a slew of mediocre and just good guys coming up…

Posted November 10, 2012 10:41 am 


When the guys that were past heavyweights size fight now they really think its awesome. Haye and Chisora come to mind and some of Adamaks fights etc, but these guys look ridiculous trying to beat the Klitschkos and thus everyone knocks the Klitschkos? Its a case of them being all time greats ahead of their competition. I saw many of the past great fights and some of them over and over and it was mostly becasue they were EVENLY matched that made the fights seem awesome. KLITS MISMATCHES make everyone living in the past degrade them to feel good. Give them their due as all time greats regardless of who they have to destroy.

Posted November 10, 2012 9:43 am 


Exactly Rod. Lewis was the very first MODERN HEAVYWEIGHT – very tall and skilled. Then KLICHKO brothers showed up. Current Vladimir can easily be the best heavyweight of all time with his fantastic combination of size, athleticism, unbelievable speed, great boxing craft, HUGE experience and smart head!!! I believe that future dominant champions in heavyweight division will be getting bigger and bigger, guys like Wilder, Price, Helenius, Fury maybe, Wach, and some others will be ruling the division after 5-7 years from now. After 15 years from now (damn! it’s 2027!!! fkn future!!!) we’ll be viewing the whole new breed of super heavyweights about 6’8-6’9 ft. average tall. Probably some of them will be even better equipped than Vladimir!!! And after 50 years from now (I don’t think I’ll see it with my own eyes…) boxing fans will be considering Vladimir Klitschko as a SMALL heavyweight!!!

Posted November 10, 2012 7:47 am 

Layla Ali

Herbie Got his sorry ass knocked out by Vitali LOL you crack me up you freaken retard LOL

Posted November 10, 2012 6:18 am 

Layla Ali

“no skill” “complete bum” ?? Did your mother ever have any kids that lived ? You are retarded right? Sorry, I don’t want to make you cry or anything by saying that.

Posted November 10, 2012 6:15 am 


The HW game has changed we are in an era of skiled athletic superheavies. The K Bros and Lewis type fighters are the future of the division. Price will be the next great heavy because he is similar the Lewis, and the K Bros. Welcome to the Superheavies.

Posted November 10, 2012 6:06 am 


75houston well said. Pretty much sums the current issue of the past glory seen through stylish tinted sunglasses + US is not the leading country in boxing anymore. And any sport that US is not dominating in is considered s*it and full of bums. US still has many good boxers on other weights, so now we define which weight divisions are s*it and full of bums – GUESS which ones??? There’s Utter racial and national bias is in the sport of boxing and I imagine it will take more than 2 generations to forget all this pointless BSing who’s race, culture or country is superior or dominting and just enjoy what we have.

Posted November 10, 2012 5:38 am 


People with half-a-brain should see the sarcasm built into my racial and national bias critisizing posts. :)

Posted November 10, 2012 5:30 am 


Anonymous, I didn’t write that past athletes couldn’t play basketball, hockey, football etc. Of course they could and would. My point is, I will bet my last dollar on a team of five Durants or LeBrons or Bryants over a team of five Jordans. I would prefer to drive a brand new Lexus LS or Mercedes S500 instead of 1968 Camaro or 1970 Impala! I will prefer to watch that Huge plasma than an old and bulky tv box! I would bet my last dollar on Vladimir Klichko or Lewis over Tyson, Foreman, Holmes, Ali, Marciano and Louis!!! Man that’s just stupid not to realize that modern things are much better all around than old things. Modern athletes are much better than past athletes, they are taller, stronger, faster, smarter!!!! Nostalgia isn’t rolling these days man, at least not in my world and my house.

Posted November 10, 2012 3:05 am 


Interestingly enought Kid Blast—Christian Hammer didn’t name himself. Maybe he should change his name to Jack or Steam.. Or how about Mike? That seems to have a better ring to it… What’s your problem with the name Christian Hammer?

Posted November 10, 2012 2:30 am 


do you think*

Posted November 10, 2012 2:30 am 


75HOUSTON…Just one more thing Carlos Monzon was one of my fav. fighters do you thing any middleweight lately would beat him? When Pavlik had the belt or Taylor or Sergio?Im not talking supermiddle just middle like back in the old days.I dont think so..not everything new is better I had old t.v. last me 25 yrs and new ones crap out in 5yrs….just saying.

Posted November 10, 2012 2:29 am 


75HOUSTON…So your saying Bobby Orr couldnt play hockey today or Mickey Mantle wouldnt be good today or Pistol Pete couldnt play basketball today because it evolved.Lets not forget when Ali matured as a man he helped the american goverment and helped white hostages in the Iran crisis back in the late 70s.

Posted November 10, 2012 2:15 am 


One thing Haye lacks from the fighters of yesteryears is balls.Smokin Joe..Foreman..Lyle..came to mix it up really throw down not shadow box.Sometimes size is something people today get alittle carried away with.Sometimes I think if Jack O’Halloran was coming up today people would be excpecting big things because of his size.Ali was 6foot3in and weighted between 205-220 I wouldnt give alot of guys big hope just because they have 3 or 4in. and 20lbs. or so on him. And Ali was more athletic then any hvwt. we see today…even Haye.Who else could get away with pulling straight back when avioding punches..or using that head roll.And Ali could throw punches without stopping and setting up he had a great flow..movement.

Posted November 10, 2012 1:11 am 


As crazy as your comment is Decker. I agree. Haye is about the same size as alot of the heavies in the 60s/70s just much much faster, more explosive and more athletic. And yes those greats of the past would struggle with the giants of today.

Posted November 10, 2012 12:36 am 


Could be a tough fight for Wlad if MW can take some shots. Haven’t seen much of Wach but that’s one big strong MFer.

K bros & LL would have beaten, some easily, all those US HWs from the past. They’d be CWs or small HWs today. They were tops in their era – nothing more or less.

David Haye might beat an Ali or a Frazier – and Haye is barely a top 10 HW. Yes I’m serious. Haye is as big as a 70s Ali, about as fast but w/more power. His chin is not very good, but if 185lb Cooper & 205lb Frazier could drop Ali, Haye could KO him if he connected with a few big punches.

Posted November 10, 2012 12:26 am 


Wach is not highly skilled but uses what he has to maximum effect. He has a good jab, devastating straight right, uses his height and reach well and seems to have good fitness for a big man. His speed and movement is no where near wlads but he can cause problems for many opponents. He is a good opponent. Pulev and Price would be better but it will be interesting to see how Wlad faces a taller guy who has never been down, never lost and can box or bang.

Posted November 10, 2012 12:16 am 


Why do people think Wach is highly skilled? Is it his win over a 300lb. McBride who was there for the payday?Or is it stopping the great Fields who was stopped in 80 seconds by a trail horse Monte Barret?Did this skilled fighter ever fight anybody in the top 50? W.K. I belive will be able to turn up the heat and stop him whenever he wants to…its just how long W.K. will want to play cat and mouse.

Posted November 10, 2012 12:07 am 


watched wach on utube, hes pretty big and pretty good…takes his time and dismantles his opponets so far and even ty fields……now we get to see wlad beat a big talented guy. He has a chin of the moon but i think a right to the temple puts him to sleep.

Posted November 9, 2012 10:32 pm 


Time to put the house on a Wlad KO. Wach’s chin is just sticking out to be destroyed lol…

Posted November 9, 2012 10:14 pm 


75houston is a bloody genius. Right on, mate.

Posted November 9, 2012 9:28 pm 


Not if Valuev is entering.

Posted November 9, 2012 9:10 pm 

Kid Blast

Wach wins the ugly contest!

Posted November 9, 2012 9:08 pm 


btw, NO fighter has achieved the ultimate goal, such as beating the undisputed champion and winning all the belts, using the “help” of a BTCH trainer, such as juan deleon. He is clearly an old fggt, and a btch. His comments on boxing greats Steward and Klitschko are shameful and disrespectful. Fk deleon, he’ll suck fantastically on November the 10th!!! P.S. A question to redmondess and meh trolls – Who do you consider The best heavyweight of all time????

Posted November 9, 2012 9:01 pm 

Mr Rubes

meh, so you say the source is ESB? And?.. where is the direct LINK? It sure wasn’t written on this article. So either you provide a link to your source or one can only assume you are quoting yourself!! LOL. It wouldn’t surprise me since you are all about the conspiracy theories anyway. A very strange, and a little bit scary, individual you are meh ;)

Posted November 9, 2012 8:49 pm 


Klitschko should be able to win this pretty handily. I don’t see how Wach is even ready for this. The guys he has faced are mostly 3rd tier guys. I think Adamek beats Wach as well.

Posted November 9, 2012 8:33 pm 


this anonymous dude is a btch nazi. Go fk yourself with your farce claims dumbaz

Posted November 9, 2012 8:05 pm 


gotta be a GREAT FIGHT. VLADIMIR KLICHKO IS A LIVING BOXING LEGEND, FEELS LIKE HE WAS AROUND FOR LIKE 20 YEARS, HE IS A VETERAN BUT STILL HE’S THE STRONGEST HEAVYWEIGHT OF ALL TIME and looks much younger than he actually is. And he is such a credit for the sport. True gentleman and ring warrior!!! I already stocked some good beer up!!! Nice time guaranteed!!! P.S. That Paul dude from the beginning of the thread is a complete idiot. What man in his healthy mind would have written such a bullsht????

Posted November 9, 2012 7:57 pm 


If Wladimair can’t beat someone his own size, he never should have been champion. This should be an easy fight or his entire legacy was built on farce.

Posted November 9, 2012 7:14 pm 

Kid Blast


Alonzo :)

Posted November 9, 2012 7:12 pm 

Kid Blast

Red Ryan is close to having the beat

Posted November 9, 2012 7:11 pm 

Kid Blast

Wach can wack!!

Posted November 9, 2012 7:09 pm 

Mr Rubes

meh says “Buying all sparring partners out so your opponent doesn’t have any, to me at least, is somewhat of a dirty tactic on some level, just doesn’t seem right. Heard complaints from Wach in some articles that he didn’t have anybody to spar with because everyone they were planning on went off to the Alps for Klitschko, some of which reportedly weren’t really even used. Fair and legal, but somewhat cheap, imo” Isn’t that your OWN quote you are quoting? LOL. If not, where is the source? ;)

Posted November 9, 2012 7:06 pm 

Wlad Fan (The haters are in KLIT Denial!)

…………………..MoBox: I have some bad news for you dude,the next dominant HW will also be white. You’re just so bitter, aren’t you. BTW, Obama’s president and your life STILL is sh**!

Posted November 9, 2012 6:58 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Looks like Wach got some new ink. Most say this won’t be a good fight but I think Wach will bring some action for however long it lasts. He’s naturally aggressive.

Posted November 9, 2012 6:52 pm 


Lets be honest.This fight will be like watching Superman vs Frankenstein’s Monster with a bad hangover….this should be a super easy fight for Wlad.Unless wach has increased his athleticism,improved his movement and found an extra 50% in speed,we know the outcome.If Wlad doesn’t dispense with The Big Chinned One fairly quickly i’ll be dissapointed.maybe Wach’s team have been applying liberal amounts of WD40 to Wach’s joints to free up the rust to get his movement closer to that of a human than a dead badger.Wach’s only hope is to trade with Wlad.No matter what you say about how bad wach’s movement is,he is a big dude and it looks like he has decent power and a reasonable chin,no pun intended…I hope it’s good fight and brings out the best in both men…

Posted November 9, 2012 6:33 pm 


I lean with what Red Ryan says–I’ve been involved with this sport since ’85 and I believe that the use of their size is what makes the difference. Gone are the days where big guys were slow punching bags (e.g. Buddy Baer).

Posted November 9, 2012 6:05 pm 

Red Ryan

I have been in this sport for 25 years and I truely think both Klits would defeat ANY boxer in History, i cant think of any legit reasons why either one couldnt. After seeing what Vit did to Lewis and what Wlad has become, yes on any given night these two men are right at the top…

Posted November 9, 2012 5:59 pm 


Kid blast–how about Christina Hammer? Perhaps her legs should be waxed! (female middleweight champ–play on words)

Posted November 9, 2012 5:51 pm 


Ernie and Mo-box, didn’t one of the Klits already k.o a prime herbie hyde back about 12 years ago? Didn’t Herb last only four rounds. Are your posts mis-contextualized?

Posted November 9, 2012 5:48 pm 


Demon, I believe Junior would get killed by Klit–as much as I like JDS, the only way he’d beat Wlad is in MMA but not boxing with 12oz gloves. Glad to know your a fellow MMA guy!

Posted November 9, 2012 5:43 pm 


Wlad beats any of the past greats, outside of Lewis, this fight would be 50/50. Really ridiculous for Ring to say that the old version of Foreman would beat Wlad. The old Foreman had his hands full with Axel Schulz, a guy which the young version of Wlad demolished. The young Foreman would lose too as he was just a onedimensional slugger.

Posted November 9, 2012 5:26 pm 

Kid Blast

Demon, Ring Mag which IS American owned by GBP sucks major barge pole. Its ratings are woeful. Its articles are not timely and stale. And its writers know zero about boxing history. Anybody who pays for that garbage is putting money into the hands of Oscar and he needs money like a gazelle needs a cheetah. Stay with good on-line boxing for your best up-to-date info.

Posted November 9, 2012 5:19 pm 

Kid Blast

Any guy named Christian Hammer desreves to get waxed!! :)

Posted November 9, 2012 5:14 pm 

Brazilian Boxing Fan

I believe Wlad is one of the greatest boxers ever. Top 10 HW.
Oh, Wach actually weighed in at 113,0kg.

Posted November 9, 2012 4:34 pm 


I’d imagine so, since the writer represents one race and one country, which happens to be the greatest one in the World thus obviously Wlad only can barely outpoint Marciano and maybe just maybe Patterson, the rest would beat this skilless white bum to pulp. I’m surprised they didn’t pick Tyson to brutally KO wlad. But still, it’s a no brainer and very well analized and very unbiased article. 100% true and fundamentally can’t be argued with :)

Posted November 9, 2012 4:26 pm 


Have you seen the latest Ring Magazine? …..they compare Wlad to the old greats. – they have Liston, Foreman, Louis and Lewis all knocking him out, and they pick Tyson, Frazier, Ali and Holmes to beat him on points. To be fair to Wlad, they have him beating Marciano and Patterson.

Posted November 9, 2012 4:15 pm 


that’s right neither of these two could go 3 rounds with British glass king Herbie Hide , Vitali when he was young only went 2.

Posted November 9, 2012 3:58 pm 


Wlad is a tomato can and a complete bum. No skill. Just a typical talentless china chinned white euro bum! :)

Posted November 9, 2012 3:55 pm 


Herbie Hide the king!

Posted November 9, 2012 3:51 pm 


Yup, Herbie Hide could KTFO both of those bums inside 10 seconds (3s for Wlad with one fingersnip + 3s for Wach with thumb snip and 4 for the chillout time) – would be a massacare and pure dominance over two white skilless bums who couldn’t even throw a jab properly, let alone punch.

Posted November 9, 2012 3:49 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Neither fighter could go three with Herbie Hide…

Posted November 9, 2012 3:40 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

LMAO @ Anonymous…

Posted November 9, 2012 3:36 pm 



Posted November 9, 2012 3:34 pm 


To crap fighters. One there for beating bouncers and guys well past there best. The other just throughs people on the floor when in trouble. Ive followed the sport for forty years and seen dirty fighters before. Not many dirty champs though.

Posted November 9, 2012 3:33 pm 


two glass chin bums

Posted November 9, 2012 3:24 pm 

Roswitha Baltes

Wladimir will win by KO in honor of Emanuel Steward. Round 6. Wlad has no chance against the No. 1 Heavyweight.

Posted November 9, 2012 3:06 pm 


What was scary Kid Blast…Wach’s KO of Christian Hammer!!! … CATACLYSMIC!!!!!

Posted November 9, 2012 2:53 pm 

top hat

Im not a hater but the simple fact is this fight is a joke. However you want to try and sell this nobody should be fooled. Its ok to KO guys like williams or mcbride but this is 10 levels up. Wach is only in the top 20 because of the wlad fight, he wasnt there before it was announced. Easy win for wlad, thats all im saying

Posted November 9, 2012 2:41 pm 

Kid Blast

Don’t sell the Polish Zombie short (no pun ntended). He may be catching Wlad in a perfect storm situation. His KO of McBride was scary.

Posted November 9, 2012 2:18 pm 


Pulev has to expand his resume a bit… He looked great stopping the giants Ustinov and Dimitrenko—but about a Haye or Price fight before he goes in with Wladimir??? I’d love to see those wars … Pulev doesn’t wait around for a decision. He goes hard to get you out, even if he’s won every round and it’s late in the fight.

Posted November 9, 2012 2:06 pm 


Bears…. That is the funniest post ive ever read on here

Posted November 9, 2012 1:33 pm 


This is not a first , second or third time wlad is fighting opponent that is taller than him , wach’s chances are better since emanuel steward is not in Wlads corner for a first time in many years, anyway I predict Wlad by UD.

Posted November 9, 2012 1:28 pm 


Klitskcho KO4. Too experienced, too fast and well guarded, too well-trained and hungry (RIP ES), too powerful.

Posted November 9, 2012 1:27 pm 


it doesnt matter how you slice it. Wach is a namer. He is every bit as much a namer as mitchel, stieverne, and wilder. We have been watching wach for years now. This is AWESOME MATCH MAKING on wlads part. he actually got a “namer”in the ring. This fight will be awesome and wach is young and bigger than wlad. for many reasons this fight will be awesome Wlad is PEAKING and looks better than ever. he will have awesome footwork and striking and power striking. This will add to wlads greatness and a stopppage of wach will be certain feather in wlads cap. Other boxers cannot become great while the klitschKOs are around so you seee them ducking the klitschKOs. guys like mitchel, stievene, and wilder. guys like fury, price, helenius, povetking perez, etc. THE WORLD KNOWS THE GREATNESS OF THE KLITSCHKO BROTHERS!!!! HAIL TO THE KINGS!!!!!!

Posted November 9, 2012 1:23 pm 


Wlad might not be nervous, but his team looks nervous. Go Wach.

Posted November 9, 2012 1:21 pm 


This damn exciting! and no fight is a joke! Every fight for a boxer is taken seriously one little mistake could cost you in Heavy weight fights where punches are knock outs.

Wlad will use all his skills to win. And if he feels it make Wach pay.

Now a lot of you don’t even understand boxing or fighting . The one to beat Wlad or cause him trouble would be a smaller boxer that can move fast get on the inside and get by Wlad’s jab. Remember that.

Posted November 9, 2012 1:07 pm 


Big challenger and in great shape.. This guy can box and he hits (watch him on utube)….with that said WLAD looks incredible and unbeatable. Please dont post your BS about how bad this guy is after Klitschko dismantles him. I dont think america has any heavy that could take WACH.

Posted November 9, 2012 1:03 pm 


Okay, I know this sounds weird, but if you pause it at 53 seconds, then google big chief tablet, then go to the image of the big chief tablet where the chief’s face is a three quarter view . . . well, ,um, these dudes look just alike! Is Mariusz really Cherokee?

Posted November 9, 2012 12:32 pm 


I laugh every time I see that dude’s laugh lines on that there Wojak commercial!

Posted November 9, 2012 12:28 pm 


Yeah poor fight but this is where we are. How much does that chin weigh? Wlad will be licking his lips ready to crack that and KOing this chancer

Posted November 9, 2012 12:21 pm 

top hat

This fight is a joke. How many more times is he going to fob the public off

Posted November 9, 2012 12:18 pm 


Wladimir tried to break Wach’s mental state at each face off and in all instances he failed, it was actually Wladimir that got broken down, and i this face off you can see Wladimir saying something to Wach which he never does. Wladimir is nervous. Wach looks very sharp and confident and will be there to KO Wladimir. It will be an upset but with no surprise as Wladimir in all his past fights picked opponents much smaller than him and whom he knew that he can beat. Now he is fighting a guy who is bigger than him, so Wlad’s jab will no longer be his primary weapon as Wach’s reach is as good. The fight will be decided who lands the first big right hand. Wladimir is known to have a weakens which is his chin, if Wach can connect with a big right hand, the fight is over. I predict Wach an upset by KO in RD 10 as by that round Wlaldimir will be exhausted by pedaling backwards through out the fight.

Posted November 9, 2012 12:14 pm 


wach look supraisely good !!

Posted November 9, 2012 11:34 am 

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