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Where is Groves going to go now??? That’s my question because he can’t fart around fighting 3rd raters anymore… and he can’t box. He could probably even get a Ward fight the way they match guys these days, with no consideration for their developement.

Groves has 20 fights and and doesn’t have a stellar amateur background like Ward had when he first faced Kessler.. Ward could box and Kessler couldn’t box.. Ward barely got hit by Kessler.. Groves had the house fall on him when he fought Froch … Froch hates Groves so much I think a rematch is extremely problematic for GG’s health.

Posted December 13, 2013 5:45 pm 


@decision- If a rough fight constitutes to being shot, the Froch has been shot since the Taylor fight. A fight you could also argue he was “exposed” in. But that would be a false statement and therefore your whole argument is false.

Posted December 13, 2013 5:34 pm 

Op Amp

Plus Froch must have forgot, that only A to A+ skills assure victory when fighting someone “you should beat”. B level boxing skills run into problems with highly motivated underdogs.

Posted December 13, 2013 3:29 pm 

Op Amp

Seems like Froch was begining to come close to Calzage’s legacey, but his fight with Groves may have irreversibly dropped his stock. Due to the Ward loss, and now the Groves fight, he will forever be in Joe’s shadow. That must really bother him, since he absolutely verbally trashed Calzage in the past.

Posted December 13, 2013 3:25 pm 


@SREDMOND you make me laugh……

Posted December 13, 2013 11:50 am 


No one makes $$$$ like Floyd it’s an unfair comparison boxing does NOT produce a lot of PPV stars, chances are Ward will not bea massive seller at least not at 168 where too many of his opponents are foreign fighters with no big names… All he can do is keep winning and make the best deals possible..

Posted December 12, 2013 7:19 pm 

boxing barlow

Id love to see Ward against Groves

Posted December 12, 2013 4:55 pm 


Yeah I don’t see him earning money like Floyd but he will still get paid. As long as he reigns like he has been, he will get nice pay days.

Posted December 12, 2013 2:22 pm 

boxing barlow

What is it with ward though? The guys pure class but no one has any interest in him. He could go on to dominate for years much like Mayweather but I cant ever see him generating the interest or earning the money Mayweather has.

Posted December 12, 2013 2:13 pm 


You just said that “Froch Feels” and addressing his fans “Feelings” that he is owed something because he LOST in Atlantic City is what I am doing… This argument about travelling is TIRED, US fans did not cry for Jeff Lacy when Calzaghe beat him down… Reality is that Kessler was favored to win the tourney and NO ONE including me thought that Ward would prove to be this good and tough that said options are at the WINNER and CHAMPIONS discretion…
Pleas from BUTT HURT fans mean little in this regard..

Posted December 12, 2013 1:54 pm 


Ward tries to approximate Mayweather in no way absent his excellence and consistent unbeaten record… SOG is Conservative in his comments o
And conduct so the notion that he “wants to be Floyd” does not compute..Can you imagine how badly Floyd would take a couple of SORE losers
Like Froch and Kessler to task for yammering on after they were dominated? He would pua’s in their mothers graves…Warr calls the shots at 168 and if Froch wants to end his career getting stopped, he can pack that Hot azz Girlfriend on a plane and come take another beating at Wards hands… How many bouts does he wanna nab in the UK? Groves was a disgrace!

Posted December 12, 2013 1:17 pm 


Maybe let someone else speak SREDMOND. You’re confusing your opinion with fact. Th reason Froch might feel entitled to negotiate terms with Ward is that Ward has a very limited fanbase. Froch, I agree the inferior boxer, on the other hand, is rarely in a dull fight. Casual fans might tune in to his fights as there is a high chance of fireworks – now even more so given that his iron chin has been shown to have expired.

Posted December 12, 2013 1:17 pm 


Mayweather fights in Vegas where he lives Carl Froch frankly will be remembered as a name in Wards resume… Different class of fighter, Carls a Blue Collar boxer with a lunch pail and hard hat, Wards a CEO with massive pedigree and Ring IQ to spare.. That stuff Euro style looks like slow motion to him Froch and his nutless fans have been reduced to politicians looking for trade agreements as opposed to accepting the LOSS he was handed… OUTCLASSED

Posted December 12, 2013 12:53 pm 


“He never takes any risks” that’s a RETARDED statement he faced the BEST in his weight class as a GREEN boxer yet he takes no risk? Of Froch is pure magic in the UK then why did he almost fumble against Dirrell and most recently Groves there? Why did he fail on Neutral Ground against Ward (Atlantic City) when Froch beat another US fighter there?? Again these are excuses for Froch being inept in the ring when compared to Ward… This whining is based on 2 fighters Froch and Kessler who should have new ASHAMED
letting a guy with 20 fights and barely any World Class experience at the time dominate him..

Posted December 12, 2013 12:50 pm 

Sad Ken

Looks like opinions are like arse holes on here at the moment (sigh) lol.

Posted December 12, 2013 12:47 pm 


Froch is NOT an “Elite Fighter” he’s a Champion and World Class yet NOT Elite that’s why he cannot dominate his better opponents
1.) saved against Groves who is no big name, 2.) S/D loss to Jessler 3.) Competitive win over fading Kessler, 4.) Questionable win over Dirrell 5.) Needed a 12 round KO to defeat Jermaine Taylor who was terrible at 168….6.) Dominated by Ward with a bad hand… Elite fighters tend to have greater control of their fights Froch looks BEATABLE on a regular basis against World Class boxers…

Posted December 12, 2013 12:45 pm 


The fact is that Groves exposed Froch.

Ward wants to be like Money Mayweather, but
he won’t fight away from home
he is a terrible dirty fighter
he has no punch
he has great speed and ring intelligence
Noone wants to see him.

Ward against Stevenson or Kovalev -goodbye Ward.

Mayweather is so much more than Ward, so there you have it …

Groves vs Kessler -Froch is finished.

Posted December 12, 2013 12:28 pm 

Steven r

What a load of rubbish sredmond. Froch is an elite fighter proved by the fact that he has been mixing it with the very best in the SMW division. Ward is a class act but he is not liked in boxing. he is apparently #2 p4p yet no one knows who he is outside of the boxing. I think he is amazing and to good for his own good. None of his fights are competitive because he has such generalship in the ring. The thing is for me was that he always had home town advantage. He never takes any risks. I would love to see him fight over here and maybe it would be a little more competitive and then at least his fans could say he has taken risks.
On another point he ain’t a shot caller. The Kessler v froch 1 & 2 was a bigger fight than ward has ever been in and unless he takes a few risk he will never be in a big fight.

Posted December 12, 2013 11:58 am 


“WHAT” I am gonna be BRUTALLY honest the reality is that Carl Froch is simply NOT WORTHY of setting terms with Andre Ward who already dealt him a loss… Had Ward lost to Froch somewhere in the UK I would not be whining like a scared girl with her first bloody tampon I would give Froch is due and accept his leverage as Champion and deposer of Ward… But that did NOT happen, Froch got dominated and since then Ward has only continued to PROVE his position as the RUNAWAY #1 168 pounder in the World as well as consensus #2 P4P fighter in the sport….Froch beating Kessler in a competitive bout and needing a ref bailout to get past Groves has done nothing to allow Froch to sit on the throne and hand down mandates about where he wants to fight… He might have you guys in the UK or wherever you are from fooled with his banter but some of us have seen him fight… Struggle against Groves, competitive win against Kessler, competitive loss to Kessler, questionable win against Dirrell, needing a homer against Jermaine Taylor… Ward is an ELITE fighter he faced a perceived MORE dangerous opponent in Rodriguez coming off surgery and dominated the kid… You guys can whimper about the UK all you want NOTHING is getting that loss off Froch’s record and with his decline its just a matter of time before he gets KOED or TKOed… No way he does another 12 with Ward and hears the final bell he is TOO slow and Ward is simply getting meaner… Sad NEWS the UK is NOT the “Mecca of boxing” guys who want Global regard and the biggest regard come to the UK ask Calzaghe, Khan, Hatton and Lewis…. Carl Froch just benefited from a VERY controversial stoppage where the ref essentially gave him the bout were that Steve Smoger in the ring Froch would have had to earn his stoppage the old fashioned way… Wards the BOSS and any “concessions with be made by Froch and his falling stock”…… This is the life you will live and not a single argument can dispel, change or override…

Posted December 12, 2013 11:43 am 


If Froch was smart he would close out his career with domestic competition and stay away from Andre Ward who had his shoulder repaired and is peaking as a fighter…Froch has heart but at this stage I see him being stopped by the ref or his corner the man was in all kinds of trouble against Groves and an injured Ward had his way with him years ago…Fact is that Carl Froch is not and NEVER has been an elite fighter, that’s why his bouts are either Close with World Class opponents or outright controversial (Groves, Dirrell) He did a lot in his career but another night with Andre Ward guarantees the most bitter and conclusive loss of his career..

Posted December 12, 2013 10:40 am 


Concerning Groves; DeGale is a small fight, maybe english audiences care, but if Groves could get Kessler out of retirement, this could be an interesting fight.

Groves has the speed advantage, but even an over the hill, Kessler could give Groves a big fight.

Good fight for both fighters.

Posted December 12, 2013 6:08 am 


The author is right about it being a better business move for Froch to go for Ward as opposed to Groves.

Posted December 12, 2013 5:15 am 


A rematch with Groves is more deserving than a rematch with Ward, seeing how the Ward fight wasn’t even close.

Posted December 12, 2013 5:13 am 


@Fight Aficionado I like Groves, but to say it was a clear cut win is a little moronic. I couldn’t pick winner between Groves & Degale.

Posted December 12, 2013 4:01 am 


@Tudor well you saw it wrong I am afraid……

But what you did miss was Groves kicking Froch in the bollocks just before he knocked him down.

Posted December 12, 2013 3:59 am 


I used to admired froch. But if he doesnt fale graves. I wish him a bad yeast infection

Posted December 11, 2013 9:47 pm 


go with chavez junior forget groves. take a payday and retire. youve done british boxing proud

Posted December 11, 2013 8:56 pm 


Groves DeFail wasn’t even truly close, Groves clearly won! He’d KO James easily should they square off a second time, Groves is a totally different animal since the first meeting, so much more a complete fighter. Where as DeFail has stagnated and improved not one jot, he’s also got a couple of gift wins too!

Posted December 11, 2013 7:12 pm 

Fight Aficionado

“Groves should look at rematching De Gale if he is interesting in correcting any injustices.” – Wrong. That fight was a close but clearcut win for Groves. Very few people disputed that so let’s not become historical revisionists. Meantime what’s DeGale done since losing? He’s fought strictly no-hopers, further evidence he knows he lost his one and only bout against a world class opponent.

Posted December 11, 2013 6:22 pm 


beard, what is your point? Who cares who the Klitchkos beat. They are boring and nobody likes watching them. Nobody is gonna beat them, they are Champs and titlest till they retired. So again what is your point?

Posted December 11, 2013 5:40 pm 


It’s froch he is a Brit so who cares

Posted December 11, 2013 4:21 pm 


Nothing going on at 168 anymore is peej s way of saying theres to many light skined fighters

Posted December 11, 2013 4:05 pm 


Groves ran from both Anderson and DeGale.

Posted December 11, 2013 4:05 pm 



Groves should look at rematching De Gale if he is interesting in correcting any injustices.

Posted December 11, 2013 2:51 pm

Well said mate!

Posted December 11, 2013 4:04 pm 


Klitschkos beat all the american darkie loosers, peej

Posted December 11, 2013 4:04 pm 


If Froch doesn’t give Groves a rematch , that is what he will be remembered for,Forget the ward fight, that’s not winnable whether it takes place in the US or UK, can only should only fight groves,However I thought he looked very old and Slow that night and would not be surprised after Xmas he announces his retirement.

Posted December 11, 2013 3:44 pm 

Beast Mode

Go ahead and fight GGG. He’ll retire you for yourself.

Posted December 11, 2013 3:43 pm 


Also rare to see a ref stop a fight when the fighter is in the middle of the ring, winning the fight, and coming forward. Almost like the Jack Johnson first stoppage, as if the the ref said, I’d better stop this while i have the chance”. At least Jack Johnson was down.

Posted December 11, 2013 3:09 pm 


Very rare that a ref stops a fight in the middle of a ring where a fighter has not been knocked down. Normally if a ref stops a fight where a fighter is defenseless, it is against the ropes. Ref must be related to Buddy “Stop the fight” McGuirt.

Posted December 11, 2013 3:06 pm 


Groves should look at rematching De Gale if he is interesting in correcting any injustices.

Froch really should look for higher profile fights, rather than a domestic rematch against a figher he just knocked out. Maybe move up to 175lbs since he is never beating Ward.

Posted December 11, 2013 2:51 pm 


They need to make it worth Wards while to travel out there. If they are not willing to pay him like the champion he is then he is not gonna travel. And there really is no need for a Froch rematch because he handled Froch with ease and had a broken hand also. And Froch has already said if he has a rematch with Ward it would be in Vegas. And Ward has not had every advantage. He has not benefited from home town decisions, home town refs or anything. He has clearly beat everybody he has fought.

Posted December 11, 2013 2:48 pm 


Ward needs to grow a set and travel. I think Ward is boring and dislike his style but I believe he would beat Froch anywhere. However, one reason why he has no fans is because he stays at home to fight. No one knows what he is capable of when he doesn’t have every advantage. No SRED fighting in the USA is not on neutral ground when fighting an international opponent. A good payday for both in the UK. Of course the easier payday for Froch is to beat Groves AGAIN!!

Posted December 11, 2013 2:36 pm 


Froch convincingly beats up (from Rnd 7) and stops Groves with 3 rounds to go and people are claiming a robbery and a gift and that he should be having a rematch. Groves threw everything at Froch and was winning on the cards, no doubt. Froch was the one coming forward, Froch was the one hurting Groves before the inevitable stoppage. Groves was gassed, physically and mentally broken. There was STILL 3 rounds to go and Groves was dying rapidly while Froch was getting stronger. All you doubters need to let it go, Froch easily accounts for Groves in a rematch. Groves has no surprise factor, he is mentally weaker and knows Froch will keep coming all fight. Nup, Groves is no Gatti or Ward, he can’t turn this result around, no chance.

Posted December 11, 2013 2:32 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Moving forward is not happening until he beats Groves proper.

Posted December 11, 2013 2:26 pm 


is ward a cross breed.

Posted December 11, 2013 2:26 pm 


Ward beats all the pale euro losers

Posted December 11, 2013 2:16 pm 


Something is going on with Froch. He isn’t himself. Maybe personal problems of some kind.

Posted December 11, 2013 12:55 pm 

larry b

Groves is all wrong for Froch so I cant blame him for not wanting the fight. He knows he got out of jail and is probably looking for one last pay day before retiring. As a fan I would love to see the rematch but if im carl froch im thinking ok this kid is going to beat me and hurt my legacy but i can make double the money against ward and im not expected to beat him. Carl has to choose his legacy or his pocket, he avoids groves it will haunt him forever.

Posted December 11, 2013 12:40 pm 

Sad Ken

Nonsense, Froch isn’t on the decline, shot, or anything like it. He simply fought a skilled, determined young fighter with something to prove.

If the sodding referee had waited another 10-20 seconds nobody would be complaining about the result either, groves was spent, I doubt he was going to get a second wind.

Not a Froch fan, but he’s not the sort to hand pick his opponents. He’s always gone for the best. It’ll either be Ward, Groves or Stevenson next I think….or maybe Hopkins as an outside bet.

Posted December 11, 2013 12:38 pm 


Bute was destroyed by Andrade, before the Froch fight, he could not take, one punch from Froch, he still can’t take a punch, as shown against Grachev, where he was scared.

I furthermore agree with people who mention that Froch is terrible against fighters with speed, like Dirrell, Ward and Groves.

You’ve got to give to Froch that he is a true warrior, who will meet anyone anywhere (just not Groves again and Ward).

Stevenson (now a Lhw) and Kovalev, at this point, are the worst opponents Carl could face, they would retire him, both have speed and real power.

Like a lot of other people, I believe an old Froch goes for the money, against Hopkins, or some other washed up fighter.

Posted December 11, 2013 12:28 pm 

Steven r

The ref was shocking on the night. Allowing hitting after shouting break. He should have gotten on top of both of the fighters. At the end go the day it was groves that let himself down by getting into a fight. Iv he had of carried on as he started he would have left with his 0. He started getting worn down and froch would have knocked him out. In my opinion. I was there and I knew instantly it was a weak stoppage. Iv seen it back numerous times and every angle seems to show it in a different light. Groves did so well and he can always contest it but he needs to move on. In a years time he could have a strap and then he has something to offer froch for a rematch. The punter wouldn’t say no to it. I’ll be there. But to be fair to froch he is in control of his own destiny and he just have to do anything.

Posted December 11, 2013 12:08 pm 


u caqll ur self boxing fans my god nearly every1 on here hasnt a clue groves wonmaybe 3rds of the first 5 second half of fight froch was getting stronger groves weaker thats fact groves was hurt another fact would froch have stopped him most probably but we will never know because it was a early stoppage another fact but no where durin g the full fight did i see froch getting slaughtered .take of your rose tinted glasses and accept groves was beat end of story

Posted December 11, 2013 12:00 pm 


Give groves a rematch and then retire

Posted December 11, 2013 10:59 am 


Steve, is not a view, is what I saw. I saw Froch throwing the elbow at Groves just as the referee was breaking them in the corner. From that angle I could not say if it landed or not but it’s irrelevant and here’s why: if I’m in the ring with you and I grab a chair and throw it toward you I bet I’m going to be disqualified even if I miss because the action in itself its illegal. Now the referee didn’t even warn Froch.
About warnings: Froch acted like this many time in the fight (they weren’t even fouls because it was obvios intention in Froch’s actions) and the referee didn’t took points from him, instead gave him warning after warning after warning…. Now are the referee’s actions compatible with an atitude of concern for Groves health?

Posted December 11, 2013 10:51 am 

Steven r

Haha a shot bute. Hope you catch HIV decision.
The writer has this one right. Froch owe groves nothing. If he has a chance to fight ward or another big name in Vegas he should go for it. Yeah it was a premature stoppage and he has done himself no favours in defending it but it is what it is. Froch only has 1 or 2 fights left and why go over old ground. He want to try to revenge the loss to ward.

Posted December 11, 2013 10:31 am 


I thought Groves was on his way out but the ref stopped it and that was a terrible stoppage. A rematch is in order. But if it doesn’t happen he can always get that rubber match with Kessler. Really not to much going on at 168 anymore.

Posted December 11, 2013 10:20 am 


Some of these refs over the pond seem so desperate for a hug

Posted December 11, 2013 9:57 am 


Boxing Barlow are you for real with your comments or you bestselling some ol next ****? Wow! There’s stupid, then there’s you – and this is not your first crazy post either. Wow!

Posted December 11, 2013 8:52 am 


total bullsh#t.

Posted December 11, 2013 7:42 am 

boxing barlow

Froch needs to be careful who he chooses stylistically if he want to see hos career and legacy held up. I think there is no agreement between fans of who would have won that fight were it to continue. Me personally, I think Groves still had enough to change his game plan and see the fight out to a points win. However we will never know. But I think that this is the best way this saga ends for Froch. He knows Groves had his number and a minor adjustment to Groves’ plan would see Groves cruise to an easy points win in a rematch. People have mentioned Froch sliding but every time he has been in with a fast fighter he has looked awful. Taylor nailed him hard for 10 rounds, Groves for 9 and Dirrell had him hitting fresh air all night. If Frochs tram want him to have a good run of fights to finish his career they need to match him right. Personally I think fights with ggg and Stevenson are the way to go. Both are solid dangerous fighters but neither have the speed to cause Froch the kind of problems Groves did. Also their biggest attributes, their power would go up against one of Frochs biggest strengths his chin. They are great match ups for Froch anf exciting fights for the fans. With regards to Groves I cant believe more is not being made about his status in the division. Personally I think Groves showed the potential to rule this division. Groves vrs Ward has got to be the future for the super middleweight division imo. Ward has no other serious contenders. He doesn’t bang like froch. Groves showed the kind of speed and footwork that all time greats possess. I really think this guy could go on to do something special in the sport.

Posted December 11, 2013 7:33 am 


Imagine Kessler being knocked down in the first round, against a young green dane, and outgunned for 7 rounds after that, to be given a gift victory.

Does anyone believe that he would have that on his resume. Clearly not.
It would look sad.

Froch, in his last four fights, have beaten a shot Bute, a journeyman from another weightclass, Mack, an over the hill Kessler, on home ground, and been given a gift victory, after being manhandled by a young green fighter in Groves.

It doesn’t look that impressive, but there is a lot of money involved.

Posted December 11, 2013 6:48 am 


I agree Froch deserves to choose a big Las Vegas final pay day after the career he’s had. Groves has to grow up, admit defeat and move on.

Posted December 11, 2013 5:55 am 


If Froch had landed two more punches or just even one and Groves had gone down…He would have been counted out……..Where would all the clamour for a rematch come from….Yes it was Carl who got the bad decision, not Groves…..

Posted December 11, 2013 4:36 am 


I’ve warched that 9 round again. Seconds before the end when the referee separates them for the last time, Froch throws an elbow just before the referee;s eyes and the referee DOES NOTHING! Seconds later the referee stops the fight OUT OF CONCERN FOR GROVE”S HEALTH! Go figure. I honestly believe it should be a public demand for turning the result into a no contest.

Posted December 11, 2013 1:45 am 

Ray Ray

Rematch with Groves….Froch wasnt himself b4 the fight and in training….was a good effort by Groves…I think Froch took him lightly and almost paid the price….Groves was a tougher fight than Froch thought…I’ll go a froch 2 get an easier win in a rematch.

Posted December 11, 2013 1:39 am 


Froch is at the end of his career and he knows it, should he take a tough fight against Groves the will do nothing to elevate his status NO!!!!! Froch should look for a big money fight and after that if he feels like it fight Groves. Froch has earned that much just going through the super 6 alone, not fighting Groves again does not hurt his legacy. Just like Calzaghe not fighting Froch did not hurt Calzaghe’s legacy. Froch worked his way to the top and he alone dictates his legacy not any or us keyboard bandits.

Posted December 11, 2013 1:38 am 


Froch is afraid of Groves, for him to refuse a rematch is a mistake…….

Ward will only fight in his home town with his referee, judges, boxing commission, commentators, etc., he was the ONLY boxer who did not have to travel in his tournament……………..why was that? Stevenson has called out Ward on live national TV, said he would even go down to 168, but Ward refused to even answer him. Ward wants to fight welterweights, Jr. Middleweights, and middleweights, he wants them to come up in weight, yet he will not go up and fight Stevenson at 175, he won’t even fight Stevenson at 168, which tells me something…………….Will Ward refuse to fight out side his home town the rest of his career? Probably…………..why is he so afraid?

Posted December 11, 2013 1:14 am 

Country Whores Lead Me Home

I’m very disappointed in Carl Froch. If he doesn’t give Groves a rematch, which will forever damage his legacy horribly, then he should retire.

Posted December 11, 2013 1:10 am 


Froch wouldn’t beat Ward with a shotgun & Ward’s hands tied on his back…even his fans are asking for a rematch with Groves; Carl is a man pushed into a corner & we have to wait to see if can fight his way out of it…the honorable way.

Posted December 11, 2013 12:16 am 


Irrelevance is next for Carl Froch if he doesn’t rematch Groves. If he moves up to LHW and fights Stevenson or Hopkins that’s all well and good for him but if he ducks the rematch with Groves in doing so then I hope he loses.

Posted December 10, 2013 11:18 pm 


Andre Ward, as talented as he is, is no de la Hoya, Pacquiao, or Mayweather in terms of public consciousness here in the states. He is known only by true boxing fans and they know that he already beat Froch handily. Now that Froch has been exposed a bit more by Groves, no one over here is clamoring for a rematch – and I mean no one…. And I doubt Ward is going to England. Carl should just give Groves the rematch for the Championship of England and then retire win or lose.

Posted December 10, 2013 10:38 pm 

Tall Mike

Sakio Bika

Posted December 10, 2013 9:39 pm 

Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

If Froch fights Ward next you can literally laugh in the faces of everyone who accuses him of ducking Groves (or anyone else for that matter). Ward is the best boxer between 160 – 175 lbs and the only blemish on Froch’s record. Fair enough, if he faces a lesser challenge than Groves for less money than a Groves rematch then he looks bad (reminiscent of the grief Calzaghe got when he wouldn’t rematch Robin Reid). Ending your career with the biggest challenge and/or payday available just makes sense.

Posted December 10, 2013 8:33 pm 

Big Ham

Bernard Hopkins, in a loser leaves town and retires match.

Posted December 10, 2013 8:14 pm 


Froch aint no warrior..groves would smash him if they fought again. I love pum

Posted December 10, 2013 7:48 pm 

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