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jason

PEEJ, what do you expect him to do, sit on his hands and wait for mayweather to maybe fight him, he’s put out the public challenge a few times now, and nothing comes back, so of course they look at different options. i don’t see your point

Posted September 5, 2014 8:43 pm 


jason

te tumbo… ill answer your question… its was more than likely a better option to fight other fighters more suited to pacs style, whilst they were building him to be a global star, this is boxing, this is what promoters do… I’m sure he and arum realised marquez was a nightmare for him, but to his credit, he did fight the guy 4 times , even though each time, it was very difficult and could have gone either way… and before you go off on one, I’m a big marquez fan… but you can’t accuse pac of avoiding someone he fought 4 really tough fights with … avoiding the fight for 4 years, made business sense, and benefited marquez anyways, he made a lot of money of those fights, partly because pac became so popular.

Posted September 5, 2014 8:39 pm 


jason

J joe, im basing my opinion on how the guy comes across and what he actually says, what his coach says and how the guy comes across as a fighter too… i think the conclusion that mayweather, for whatever reason, is avoiding this fight is a fair one…. you are basis decision on nothing but what you perceive maybe going on behind arums closed doors, something you in reality have absolutely no idea buddy …

Posted September 5, 2014 8:26 pm 


jason

DELK… really ???? so you expect to leave Arum, destroy any relationship with the guy who has made him millions upon millions, on the off chance that mayweather may eventually sign to fight…. haha and you call me dumb… again your not in the real world… are you a child ? you certainly sound like one…

Posted September 5, 2014 8:23 pm 


DELK1

JASON: I see you are as DUMB as PEDMANNY. Pac is in debt with the IRS in two countries and you are asking me why should he leave? Well for starts, because OSCAR and FLOYD left that crook BOB ARUM and went on to make huge amounts of money that PAC will never see, because Bob will take half of all profits.

I knew a clown like you Jason would come up with the LOYALTY crap. You fell into my trap DUMMY. PEDMANNY had already been Loyal to his promotional company, thats why he stayed with BOB until his contract ran OUT. Pac fulfilled his contract, at the end HE (PEDMANNY) had the option to make a one fight deal with Floyd. Could have made at least 50 to 80 million dollars, maybe more with rematches (you know Manny love rematches) That’s what COTTO did. Hell since Manny loves paying Bob to do NOTHING. He could have gave half of his earnings from the fight to Bob. I’m sure Bob would have been ok with that. LOL

Please don’t say PAC don’t need the money, because we all know he does.

Posted September 5, 2014 3:14 pm 


Leroy

Mayweather/ODH = 2.4 mill
PAC/ODH = 1.25 mill

Mayweather/Mosely = 1.4 mill
PAC/Mosely = 1.34 mill

Mayweather/Cotto = 1.5 mill
PAC/Cotto = 1.25

Mayweather/Alvarez = 2.48

Alvarez/Lara = 350k
Alvarez/Angulo = 300k

Mayweather/Ortiz = 1.25 mill

Numbers tell a story.

Posted September 4, 2014 11:14 pm 


TREC

@ HECDOG that’s a garbage statement buddy.

Posted September 4, 2014 9:18 pm 


J joe

@ HECDOG that is BS. Then why don’t his opponents due the same numbers when they fight some one else? Why did Mayweather/Mosely, Mayweather/Hatton, Mayweather/ODH do more numbers than PAC vs the same opponents? Save that garbage argument dude. Absolute none sense your talking.

Posted September 4, 2014 9:11 pm 


Pops

@ Tark your wrong about the ODH rematch. It didn’t happen because ODH tried to make the rematch on his terms with weight, ring size, and gloves. Floyd wasn’t having it being that he won the first fight. They couldn’t agree so Floyd said F it.

Posted September 4, 2014 8:14 pm 


Pops

Don’t understand how UK fans don’t like Floyd’s style being that Brook is very similar and Amir Khan is…well he’s Amir Khan lol

Posted September 4, 2014 7:34 pm 


J joe

@ HECDOG PPV buys equals the amount of fans that buy your fight because they want to see you fight. By your silly thoughts I guess Mike Tyson didn’t have more fans than PAC either since his PPV numbers are better than Pac’s as well. See the differences is PAC fans make up stuff that is pure fiction and assumption. For example, PAC being #1 P4P is fiction because all ranking show Floyd as #1. PAC having more fans than Floyd is fiction because he doesn’t sell more tickets or PPV numbers than Floyd and this is the only measurement of fan attraction. Floyd ducking PAC is an assumption because has never said it. Here are some facts for Pactards. PAC is #2 at WW. PAC is #3 or #4 p4p based on which org you visit. PAC has been knocked out twice. PAC does less PPV buys than Floyd. PAC has beat less world champs and P4p fighters than Floyd even though he has 17 more fights. These are absolute facts not opinion, fiction, or assumption.

Posted September 4, 2014 7:30 pm 


J joe

@ Jason so what did the British fans think of Floyd when he bet the 44-0 Ricky Hatton? And your not that in tune with boxing if you think that a fight can be made or even really wants to be made just cause a fighter says so. PAC doesn’t control any part of who he fights buddy.

Posted September 4, 2014 7:19 pm 


RapidFire

RAY RAY-I’m from Texas wbu man

Posted September 4, 2014 6:38 pm 


Adrian

“Ray Ray

Ok Adrian….if it makes u feel better yes Floyd retired. So what’s it saying 4 every other boxer out there when a guy can have a 2 an a half yr lay off, come back old and rule the sport? Undefeated and no.1 pnd 4 pnd….u don’t have 2 like it, but that’s reality…..Deal with it. Floyd worshiper? U haven’t been on here long have u? oscars own promo team and he still didn’t get the win. How’s Floyds retirement lookn these days Adrian? Where’s Oscar? And don’t worry Marquez and Manny are 1 fight away from joining him.”

First of ,I have been here in eastsideboxing for at least 12 years …
That’s the point Floyd retired when ww devision was the hottest devision in a long time ,there was undefeated cotto , Mosley , undefeated Williams , margarito , and then of course paqiao … So here is the whole point , you want to tell me mayweTher had no one that could challange him so that’s why he retired but when he came back he called Marquez to move up in weight to fight him, god forbid he does a Canelo move or a Dawson move to drop , but still he still called out who , Marquez don’t even mention me ortiz ‘ sand Guerrero alike …

Posted September 4, 2014 5:51 pm 


Adrian

PEEJ
Peej
Adrien shows how much of an idiot you are. Anybody on here will tell you Oscar did not look great against Forbes. He was supposed to win every round. But he looked terrible, was getting caught with punches and came out looking like he had been in a war. Which he wasn’t. But a typical Floyd hater like yourself doesn’t see that. Cause you are just that, a Hater.”

You idiot !! Who is here that says Oscar looked like he was in a war with Forbes ??? Forbes was chosen because is fast and slick and he was suppose to be a tune fight before mayweather , Forbes beat bundarage before Oscar but in any case oscar needed a 12 round fight with someone fast to prepare him for Floyd rematch and he won a 12 UD decision.
Two judges had him 119to 109 and one judge had Oscar wining all rounds 120 to 108 and you call that a war ???? Gtfo!!!
You know what is ” looking bad” ? Is calling yourself the best fighter of all time and getting a split decision from
A swimmer Maidana now that is ” looking bad”

Posted September 4, 2014 5:41 pm 


Anonymous

But Tark you are ranking welterweights! Until he fights Pacquiao Algieri is not a welterweight. You get it?? So how can you rank guys who aren’t welterweights ahead of Maidana at welterweight. Algieri has never fought at welter his biggest win is at light welter against Provodnikov who has a 0% record at welter. You called me stupid?

Posted September 4, 2014 4:56 pm 


TARK

Stupid says.., “Your having a laugh ranking Maidana lower than Algieri – who has yet to fight at the weight- and Provodnikov who had one fight with Bradley at welter then moved back down.”

Maidana KO’d a lot of bums – so did Yory Boy Campas who went 56-0 in bum mode – then Campas finally fought somebody better.

But Maidana fought Alexander, Kotelnik, Mayweather, Khan, and Broner … He couldn’t stop ANY of them, and LOST 4 out of the 5.

Posted September 4, 2014 4:44 pm 


TARK

Tumbo.., “Who was clamoring for a DLH v. Mayweather rematch?!? Not Me. i thought it was a frustrating Draw”

I expected Floyd to kick Oscar’s ass to a pulp in a rematch. To do a Pacman job on him. I was looking forward to the slaughter.

The rematch was supposed to be at 147… Mayweather ducked out of it because — “I’ve had a lot of sleepless nights and just don’t want to do the rematch.”

There was one blind, stupid, corrupt, and incompetent judge in the 1st fight — who had Oscar winning — Floyd was afraid they’d dig up another judge who hated him as much as Tom Kazcmarek did.

Best not do the rematch at all in that case. If you can’t sleep because you’re worried about getting fukked over by a “hit team” of judges … This is Boxing after all. Oscar has a lot of financial resources.

Posted September 4, 2014 4:20 pm 


Ray Ray

Tumbo- the answer is fanboy or Ladyboy or both…..PAC and Floyd being where they stand atm really does kill Mannys die hard fans inside…..if the only thing these haterz can do is talk about a couple of close fights Mayweather has had, with out losing. Than sucks 2 b them….

Posted September 4, 2014 4:03 pm 


Ray Ray

Ok Adrian….if it makes u feel better yes Floyd retired. So what’s it saying 4 every other boxer out there when a guy can have a 2 an a half yr lay off, come back old and rule the sport? Undefeated and no.1 pnd 4 pnd….u don’t have 2 like it, but that’s reality…..Deal with it. Floyd worshiper? U haven’t been on here long have u? oscars own promo team and he still didn’t get the win. How’s Floyds retirement lookn these days Adrian? Where’s Oscar? And don’t worry Marquez and Manny are 1 fight away from joining him.

Posted September 4, 2014 3:57 pm 


te tumbo

who was clamoring for a DLH v. Mayweather rematch?!? Not Me. i thought it was a frustrating Draw that neither fighter deserved to win. in fact, i’ve been on record ever since as not wanting to see Mayweather above 147lbs ever again. he can win at 154lbs but he doesn’t impress. meanwhile, EVERYbody was clamoring for an immediate rematch between Marquez and Pacquiao* following their first fight. IMO, Marquez would’ve scored the KO at 126lbs or 130lbs. instead, Team PUNKuiao* haggled over purse-split — with the Still-Reigning Champion — and targeted Morales coming off of another flat-performance and Loss v. Barrera. ADRIAN, i directly challenge YOU to explain this episode in HONEST and ACCURATE terms favorable to Pacquiao*. i’m NOT interested in projection$ or promotional hype, ONLY in a valid reason for Pacquiao* avoiding the eagerly-anticipated and red-hot rematch v. Marquez, which he stalled for Four (4) F’n Years before finally agreeing to a rematch at 130lbs.

YOUR response will determine whether you’re a fight-fan or just another biased and delusional Pacquiao* fanboy.

Posted September 4, 2014 3:40 pm 


Just so you know

Just heard that Kell Brook has been stabbed in the leg in Tenerife. Might put him out for while unfortunately.

Posted September 4, 2014 3:01 pm 


PEEJ

Yes yes yes, all the Pac fans are saying look Pac is saying he wants to fight Floyd. Yet he is also on record saying there are no Floyd talks going on, I want Garcia. Arum and Oscar are also saying they are going to meet to talk about a Garcia vs Pac fight. They are always saying one thing and doing another. But Pac fans don’t see that. They just are quick to hop on the Floyd Hatred Bus. Unfortunately it is to hard for most Pac fans to look through both sides of the glass.

Posted September 4, 2014 2:51 pm 


PEEJ

Adrien shows how much of an idiot you are. Anybody on here will tell you Oscar did not look great against Forbes. He was supposed to win every round. But he looked terrible, was getting caught with punches and came out looking like he had been in a war. Which he wasn’t. But a typical Floyd hater like yourself doesn’t see that. Cause you are just that, a Hater.

Posted September 4, 2014 2:49 pm 


Anonymous

Tark f#ck off. Your having a laugh ranking Maidana lower than Algieri – who has yet to fight at the weight- and Provodnikov who had one fight with Bradley at welter then moved back down. T!t.

Posted September 4, 2014 2:18 pm 


jason

Adrian… i know right, mayweather discussions are just one long line of excuses

Posted September 4, 2014 1:03 pm 


jason

Delk … “”PAC FANS, why didn’t Manny call Mayweathers BLUFF, by trying to make a fight with Floyds team when his contract expired with TOP RANK? STILL waiting on an answer..”””…….. i mean really, do you live in the real world?? pac has been with arum for many a year, he made him the star he is in many ways…… why on earth would you think that pac would turn his back on the man who made him just because mayweather chuck his toys out the pram ??? lmao

Posted September 4, 2014 1:01 pm 


TARK

Welterweights: 1. Floyd 2. Kell 3. Keith 4. Shawn 5. Pac

Any of the top 5 could beat any of the others on a given night. That’s just the order I would rank their chances.

6. Tim 7. Algieri 8. Provo 9. JMM 10. Alexander 11. Amir 12. Marcos 13. Guerrero 14. Paulie 15. Abregu

Nobody 6-15 has a super good shot at beating the top five and would likely lose to Danny Garcia, the top guy at 140

Posted September 4, 2014 1:01 pm 


Adrian

Jason exactly
Not only that but they try to change the history and adding fake facts to support mayweather in every posible way !

So you see one guy below is saying mayweather didn’t need to fight Oscar because Oscar “looked bad against Forbes “and the other one is saying ” Oscar instead of trying to rematch mayweather he droped two weight classes to fight manny”
Lol … Pure bs revisionists

Posted September 4, 2014 12:59 pm 


jason

its amazing, there is a general trend with mayweather fans… they always seem to be justifying him in some way. Even now, pac is saying on record for the upteenth time, lets fight… mayweather is saying nothing… all true boxing fans , form ex legends right the way to armchair fans, want to see it… and yet mayweather fans just constantly throw excuses on why mayweather shouldn’t fight him…. all one can really deduce from that, is that they are real fight fans…

Posted September 4, 2014 12:55 pm 


Adrian

Ray Ray

Instead of a rematch Arum talked Oscar in2 dropping 2 weight classes 2 fight manny. Yes 2 weight classes.

You see how typical revisionist are you Floyd worshipers ? Oscar fought paqiao after mayweather DUCKED Oscar and was retired !!
So you saying now Oscar ducked mayweather eh? And peej is saying ” there was need for mayweather to fight Oscar again” so which is it ? Lol

Posted September 4, 2014 12:53 pm 


Adrian

Peej you f0king idiot!! He looked terrible against Forbes????? He got all the rounds , and so just because of that mayweather didn’t want to fight him ??? So now Forbes was the reason floyed didn’t fight Oscar eh?? you should be ashamed of bellony you write here idiot!!!

Posted September 4, 2014 12:49 pm 


Adrian

Ray Ray , Oscar was on long past his prime and got a split decision imagine if they fought when Oscar was in his prime ? And yet he calls himself the greatest of all time lmao!!

That was a reply to te tumbo btw when he was claiming mayweather always gave the rematch to a tough fight , so Oscar was one prime example that mayweather duck big time!

So Ray Ray you didn’t mention Floyd’s ” retirement” right after Oscar fight ? What was the reason ? And do you think Oscar wasn’t a big draw anymore ? Lol … And back then Oscar goldenboy promotions wasn’t this big as today , and even that your guy got a decision by 2 judges you still point at Oscar that he a got favors? Lol unbelievable

Posted September 4, 2014 12:46 pm 


PEEJ

There was no need for Floyd to rematch Oscar. First off he clearly beat him, second Oscar fought Forbes to get ready for a Floyd rematch and he looked terrible. So again there was no need for a Floyd rematch. Adrien is just your typical Floyd hater.

Posted September 4, 2014 12:43 pm 


Ray Ray

Instead of a rematch Arum talked Oscar in2 dropping 2 weight classes 2 fight manny. Yes 2 weight classes.

Posted September 4, 2014 12:33 pm 


Ray Ray

Adrian ur dreaming he cleanly out landed ODH who tried hard…..but @ the end of the day still couldn’t get the nod even though he is golden boy promotions? Enough said.

Posted September 4, 2014 12:32 pm 


Adrian

Te tumbo”
EVERYone including immediate rematches following his most difficult wins .”

Ummm how about a reamatch with dlh? What happen there? Oh yeah I forgot Floyd retired in his prime …

Posted September 4, 2014 12:16 pm 


jason

The Truth. … errr you are very wrong, here in the UK most people think mayweather is too much of flash twat and never really puts on the line for the fans, well they do in my club anyways.. Pac is a much bigger sell, simply because his fights are better to watch

Posted September 4, 2014 11:53 am 


Ray Ray

Te Tumbo- nice, I’ll def pay 4 ur analogy….1 thing though? Danny Garcia? Where does he fit in?

Posted September 4, 2014 10:49 am 


te tumbo

HECDOG, my edits and revisions below:

1. Floyd Mayweather’s ranking is based on his ability and UNdefeated record despite facing EVERYone including immediate rematches following his most difficult wins . . . I almost don’t need to go any further . . . but I will.

2. Kell Brook’s ranking is based on his record and last fight v. another promising champion/contender who may turn out to have been vastly overrated because he is American. Stay tuned.

3. Timothy Bradley has been a top fighter for years but displayed extremely poor judgment when he decided to exchange v. Provodnikov and brawl v. Manny*. he exercised good judgment v. Marquez, which demonstrated the difference between avoiding a KO and daring it to happen v. an “older”, “slower”, and “smaller” DINAMITA.

4. Marcos Maidana gives anyone a tough time, and if you break in any way, he will beat you. His experience fighting Mayweather just elevated his game and confidence.

5. Shawn Porter can fight but he may be even more one-dimensional than Pacquiao*, which may place him in the 1/2-dimensional category(?).

6. Robert Guerrero is a good fighter that has been through some tough fighters.

7. Keith Thurman has showed power and some good boxing skills, but he has a way to go.he is tested but unproven until he defeats an elite-level fighter.

8. Devon Alexander is a good southpaw, but does not fight up to his potential.

9. Juan Manuel Marquez is one of the greatest ring-warriors to ever emerge from the boxing nation of Mexico. Fierce, tough, determined, explosive, resilient and multi-dimensional with the ability to score with virtually every punch in boxing’s arsenal from almost any range. his 8-year mission to corner and defeat Pacquiao* was Epic ring-justice. Marquez endured every slight, across each full and half-weight class, to deliver the #1 KO in boxing history to decisively end the rivalry between himself and Pacquiao*. the image of “Napman’s*” prostrate body lying face down and butts-up on the ring canvas will forever be featured on the highlight reel of Marquez’s ATG career. Marquez is Greater. Viva Marquez!

10. Amir Khan has good amateur skills, but his glass jaw will not hold up. He is always susceptible to the knockout, but he will be tough for as long as his jaw holds up.

thanks to my edits, you now have an accurate version of
your previous post. please feel free to share with others interested in the TRUTH about Pacquiao*.

Posted September 4, 2014 10:38 am 


Ray Ray

Rapid fire- u are rapid, that was a quick response….cheers 4 the compliments. If u don’t mind me asking? Where are u from?

Posted September 4, 2014 10:29 am 


RapidFire

RAY RAY-Good post my brotha

Posted September 4, 2014 10:24 am 


Ray Ray

Squel- great post….could not agree more

Posted September 4, 2014 9:59 am 


The Truth.

I like the way Hecdog sings praises of Manny Pacquiao to high heavens and how he doesnt mention Juan Manuel Marquez who almost send him to his early grave. I still watch that scene and praise the Doctor who save Pacman’s life. Imagine his lifeless body a few yards to Marquez leaping and celebrating his victory. ICONIC!!!

Posted September 4, 2014 9:58 am 


DELK1

To be honest the best thing Manny could do has already been done, That is, renew his contract with Bob. Hey Manny aka Hecdog that tip was for free.

Posted September 4, 2014 9:51 am 


DELK1

PEDMANNY and PAC FANS, here is the best tip I can give Manny if he were to fight Floyd. DON’T watch tape of Floyd, watch tapes and fighting habits of YOURSELF. That is what Mayweather and his team will be watching and that is what YOU need to be watching. Floyd will TAKE every advantage of EVERY mistake you make. So look at some of your old fights and try to think, ” If I throw that punch from that position, what will Floyd do to counter.

To be honest the best thing Manny could do has already been done, That is, entend his contract with Bob. Hey Manny aka Hecdog that tip was for free.

Posted September 4, 2014 9:48 am 


DELK1

PAC FANS, why didn’t Manny call Mayweathers BLUFF, by trying to make a fight with Floyds team when his contract expired with TOP RANK? STILL waiting on an answer..

PAC waited until his re-sign back with TOP RANK, and now he knows how to fight Mayweather. News flash Manny, judging from what you said, leaves no doubt in my mind that you will be beaten and shocked by Floyd. Let me give you a pointer. You can watch all of Mayweathers fights for the next 30 years and you still want have a game plan that will be sufficient. You can record everything that Floyd does in the ring, the only problem is WHEN IS HE GOING TO DO IT. and you CAN’T figure it out because he does different things at different times BASED off of what YOU are doing.

Posted September 4, 2014 9:41 am 


The Truth.

@ the Oracle of Delphi. Speak for yourself. Mayweather is a world wide star. He is the face of boxing. Keep lying to yourself that Pacman is on the same level as him. Can you explain how you can come from 2 continents, I hope your parents are from 2, if not, then it tells me a lot about you.Mayweather is very popular in the UK since he KOed Hatton. Fact!

Posted September 4, 2014 9:36 am 


The oracle of Delphi

PPV numbers don’t equal how many fans someone has. Pac owns Asia whereas Mayweather is a US star, he is not an international star. I am originally from Europe and Asia and nobody gives a freak about Mayweather. He is not even known in the mains treat media, Pac is. Mayweather is a Las Vegas figure, Pac is a world figure…

Posted September 4, 2014 8:04 am 


J joe

I can’t even find a ranking that his #1 in the division compared to #1 P4P.

Posted September 4, 2014 6:56 am 


J joe

@Hecdog I’m still waiting on a ranking that has Manny currently ranked #1 P4P?

Posted September 4, 2014 6:55 am 


?

@ HECDOG The Oracle Mayweather is #1 in all time PPV buys for boxing and holds the #1 and #2 spot for highest grossing single events. PAC is #5 all time and his highest single event is ranked #9. Floyd vs. Oscar, Mosely, and Hatton did more numbers than PAC vs. The same opponents. Numbers don’t lie but people do. Get over it.

Posted September 4, 2014 6:47 am 


?

@ HECDOG and The Oracle once again Pac does not have more fans than Floyd. There is absolutely no way for either if you to make your claim. Floyd’s fights sell more tickets and double the PPV numbers of PAC. Guess who buys tickets and PPV events? The fans. So again the FACTS prove that Floyd is not only ranked higher, but also has way more fans than PAC.

Posted September 4, 2014 6:35 am 


Squeale

Jmm is a master boxer. Don’t particularly like him but there you go. His ko of PAC is his defining moment. Pacs been down quite a few times cause he takes the fight on. That’s why he has hard core fans. He’s hardly ever been in a dull fight. And the other thing abt PAC that is special is he knows how to win and lose. No sour grapes no excuses. He gets back on the horse. I would like all boxers to be like him.

Posted September 4, 2014 5:52 am 


Ray Ray

Hecdog- JMM a better than avg fighter? He cleaned ur younger boys clock. Do u say or right things without thinking at all? U say u put time in2 this list? If this is true, uv failed epically. No Garcia who apparently roach wants next, and uv put ur own foot in it saying Marquez is a bit better than and avg fighter? So ur saying manny got knocked out by an average 40 yr old fighter? 1 more thing….it’s called boxing not fighting. Sweet science is a little diff than fighting @ the bar.

Posted September 4, 2014 3:05 am 


Ray Ray

Marquez 9th on ur list Hecdog? Wow, that doesn’t look good 4 ur boy.

Posted September 4, 2014 2:58 am 


Ray Ray

I should have said 3 straps 2 diff weight classes….G tark would have jumped all over that. Can’t blame him, stats is all he has

Posted September 4, 2014 2:57 am 


Ray Ray

Hecdog- ur list below has no Danny Garcia? R u drunk?

Posted September 4, 2014 2:55 am 


Ray Ray

Hecdog ur getting worse? Floyds no.1 pnd 4 pnd ranking is only in existence because of his fear of fighting manny????? No u might b on 2 something here? I’m sure it’s got nothing 2 do with him beating more world champs, more x champs, having more title fights, a zero near his name and having 3 straps in diff weight classes? Actually uv converted me….I don’t no y Mayweather is número uno. Pacquio is the best

Posted September 4, 2014 2:54 am 


Anonymous

@ Delphi your a chick and a virgin and probably bakla for Manny.. Nobody cares what you have to say about boxing.. walk back into your cave and STAY THERE!!

Posted September 4, 2014 1:11 am 


The oracle of Delphi

Pac has worldwide more fans than Mayweather. People watch Pac to see him win, his style is very exciting. People watch (and pay) to see Mayweather lose because he is obnoxious, and his style is neither entertaining nor exciting. He has a “0”? So freaking what! He can not carry the jockstrap of an Ali, Louis, SRR, Hagler or Duran, and never will. Pac has given us excitements in the ring that Mayweather never will, that’s why he is so jealous of Pac…

Posted September 4, 2014 12:44 am 


RapidFire

Lol everybody jumping on Pac…Hahaha love it.

Posted September 4, 2014 12:39 am 


te tumbo

“@ HECDOG you find me an official ranking with PAC at #1 P4P” . . . (crickets chirping) . . .

Posted September 3, 2014 11:30 pm 


J joe

The people are the ones who pay for the PPV fights and the seats in MGM grand so obviously PAC is NOT the peoples champ since Floyd sells more of both. However angle you look at it @ HECDOG manny is behind Floyd buddy. Facts not fiction or opinion.

Posted September 3, 2014 11:23 pm 


Six bits

Manny is the people’s champ? yeah right! tell him to wake up off the canvas first’ lol…and when he does tell him to catch up his taxes!

Posted September 3, 2014 9:59 pm 


J joe

@ HECDOG you find me an official ranking with PAC at #1 P4P. Don’t worry I will wait. Tic toc tic

Posted September 3, 2014 9:43 pm 


?

HECDOG = idiot

Posted September 3, 2014 9:41 pm 


Crap shooter

@ ADRIEN that is due to fans expecting the PAC of old. I like to watch PAC fight. He’s exciting and always game. His most impressive victories for me were over Cotto and Oscar. However I did notice that his power was significantly less in his fights after being accused of steroids under Areza. He wasn’t able to knock out lesser opponents than the one he previous KO’d. Then all of a sudden he is willing to take all tests to fight Floyd when initially he declined commenting that he was scared of needles and he didn’t want to take tests up until fight day because of a superstition that he would be weaker. I serious think he was using steroids while he was knocking everyone out then stop taking once the rumors hit the media. This explains his decline in power and aggression.

Posted September 3, 2014 9:34 pm 


Paul young

Thurmal Underwear, as I said dont count Chris out, as other say he a cake walk, chis wil give us a hard fightto watch better than Floyd expected to win fight. Remember Chris fought with one eye, and beat prov, who gave unbeaten Bradley a war.

Posted September 3, 2014 9:24 pm 


Adrian

@? ,
In contrary , standards for paqiao are much higher all the time , you always here from fans that paqiao ” needs ” to ko everyone he beat if he wins big it’s still not enough for them because he failed to ko them ….
Example paqiao just absolutely dominated Mosley who didn’t even want to engage against PAC let Alone try to beat him and was in the surviving mode all night, and they said paqiao @ failed” because it was a boring match and he was suppose to stop Mosley , but when Mosley fought mayweather he did get caught bad by Mosley but win the fight , they gave credit to mayweather like never before like ” oh how he adjusted and won the fight ” ??!

The only standard I have for mayweather is the fight with paqiao
I want to see it .

Posted September 3, 2014 9:18 pm 


RapidFire

HECDOG-nobody wants to read that ish..your supposed to comment not write an article. O yea Pacquiao sucks..face it.

Posted September 3, 2014 9:18 pm 


TARK

Sredmond sounds like Rob Smith… “Now if Brook loses to Porter he’ll go back to the end of the line and it will be years before he gets another title shot.”

After the fight he saw Brook winning “2 or 3 rounds.” What a biased dog.

All that “what if” BS is stupid… What if Brook smashes Khan out in 2 rounds??? That would help set up a Mayweather fight – that’s why Brook wants Khan.

Posted September 3, 2014 9:08 pm 


?

@ Adrian I have observed that the standards for PAC are clearly much lower than they are for Mayweather by his fan base on ESB. Yet in the same breath these PAC fans claim he is the greater of the two fighters. Rather confusing.

Posted September 3, 2014 9:07 pm 


Ray Ray

I’d love 2 c khan v Brooke, winner move on 2 bigger names bigger pay days as would the loser eventually just not right away like the winner. Take care of the grass roots 1st. This would b a massive fight domestically in the UK.

Posted September 3, 2014 9:05 pm 


Adrian

“PEEJ

Pac could of fought Thurman, Guerrero, Marquez, Alexander. All fighters ranked at Welterweight.”

Here is another one ,

When the idea of Floyd fighting Thurman comes up these worshiper claims Thurman is ” unproven ” but he is all for him fighting paqiao lol …

Posted September 3, 2014 9:03 pm 


Adrian

“Sredmond

Also if Khan is really gonna fight Brook it will be important to see how he looks in that fight, should he struggle or look bad then that does not provide much impetus for a Mayweather bout…”

Typical spin doctor … Lol first khan is not good but even if he beats the undeafeted title holder brooks but ” struggles ” in doing so he didn’t deserve the fight with mayweather … Lol how about Guerrero struggling with berto? And actualy mayweather getting a split decision against Maidana who sredmond was the first one to laugh about the idea of Maidana fighting mayweather after he beat broner but now sredmond acts like mayweather he is fighting the toughest out there who btw lost to khan ….. Lol spin baby spin

Posted September 3, 2014 8:58 pm 


Ray Ray

J joe- ur comments 2ward hecdog is falling on def ears, many have tried talking sence 2 him. I don’t no what hecy is going 2 do when Pacman hangs the up?

Posted September 3, 2014 8:56 pm 


J joe

At HECDOG he is NOT the #1 boxer in world on any, I repeat, any poll. Where are you getting this stuff from? Floyd is pound for pound #1 on EVERY list and is the highest paid athlete in the world. He also posts the biggest PPV numbers of all time in boxing history dude. Just stop it. You sound like an idiot.

Posted September 3, 2014 8:49 pm 


?

All Floyd has to do is win regardless of how it’s done. Whether by KO, UD, or split D he will be 47-0. Stop the BS.

Posted September 3, 2014 7:32 pm 


Thurmal Underwear

Paul young

Thurmal Underwear, that not what I hear. It’s a no brainer win. Floyd has to get pass maidana untouched,or what the point of this fight?

^exactly. it’s a no brainer win and you’re saying ‘don’t count chris out’. so which is it then? what’s the point of the fight? you mean manny vs floyd; are you serious. is that a real question.

Posted September 3, 2014 7:15 pm 


Paul young

Thurmal Underwear, that not what I hear. It’s a no brainer win. Floyd has to get pass maidana untouched,or what the point of this fight?

Posted September 3, 2014 6:18 pm 


Thurmal Underwear

Paul young

Don’t sell Chris short, I predict this fight will be more action packed than maidana 2. Both average fights.we see more of rounds 5-12.

^the most fights you could have actually watched w/ this guy was 2 and that’s giving your credit for maybe MAYBE catching him on espn friday night fights. you guys kill me.

if manny loses to this guy, you can take his name out of all the lists (everyone’s list, even casual boxing fans lists like you).

Posted September 3, 2014 6:04 pm 


Tyrant

Pactards are and always will be delirious. I like both fighters but if they retired right now Floyd goes down in boxing history way ahead of Manny and that’s just the facts. 46-0-0 vs. 56-5-2. PAC has been knocked out twice, one in resent times which was devastating. Floyd has had less than a hand full of split or majority decisions more less a lose. Floyd is also the highest paid and the biggest boxing attraction of all time. Numbers don’t lie.

Posted September 3, 2014 5:52 pm 


Anonymous

Anything beat watching cupcake get at up again. Pay for 12 rounds? Get it free.

Posted September 3, 2014 5:46 pm 


Kc

Yeah just like he did Marquez lol

Posted September 3, 2014 5:42 pm 


Paul young

Don’t sell Chris short, I predict this fight will be more action packed than maidana 2. Both average fights.we see more of rounds 5-12.

Posted September 3, 2014 5:39 pm 


Ray Ray

Toprank seriously? Is there any1 out there that hasn’t wised up 2 these clowns in house Toprank money making scams. What kind of a fight is this? A top 5 p4p guy v a flash in the pan kick boxer who beat another 1 hit wonder. Take the fight where no1 will watch it and top up All involved with Topranks bank accounts and keep ur belts? What a joke.

Posted September 3, 2014 5:38 pm 


REM

SRed thanks for the compliment bro. Yeah you know ima keep banging those drums for Pac lol.

Posted September 3, 2014 5:33 pm 


Ray Ray

Wow, Mannys team must really rate Algieri? Not. This sounds like a glorified sparring session 2 me. E.g Manny v Clotty. I’m pretty sure all involved here no the outcome.

Posted September 3, 2014 5:30 pm 


Jo Jo

Yep I just goggo it. Chris will fight for PAC 147 lb tittle . And Chris get to retain his 140 title no matter what the outcome. Sorry this is new news I taught PAC wanted chris 140 lb belt., make no sense take the belt now as you have a full year to defend that 147 belt. Wtf.

Posted September 3, 2014 5:10 pm 


PEEJ

Jo-Jo. Algieris title is not on the line because they are fighting above the 140lb limit. Pacs WBO title is on the line because Pac is defending his title against Algieri. So if Algieri loses he will still keep his title because again this fight is being fought at welter. Same way Peterson got to keep his belt. Instead of defending it against Matthysse he fought Matthysse at welter and not at light welter.

Posted September 3, 2014 4:56 pm 


Thurmal Underwear

DELK1

PAC FANS, why didn’t Manny call Mayweathers BLUFF, but trying to make a fight with Floyds team when his contract expired with TOP RANK? STILL waiting on an answer..

^CRICKETSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Posted September 3, 2014 4:56 pm 


Ray Ray

Delk1- that’s because ur correct, deep down Mannys die hard fans no ur right. Sometimes hearing the sound of crickets is all the satisfaction I need.

Posted September 3, 2014 4:53 pm 


DELK1

PAC FANS, why didn’t Manny call Mayweathers BLUFF, but trying to make a fight with Floyds team when his contract expired with TOP RANK? STILL waiting on an answer..

Posted September 3, 2014 4:52 pm 


Jo Jo

Peej.
But isn’t that what the fighter agree apond? So ageri decided to not put his tittle on the line? I have to google that. Even canelo put his title at 152 lb vs 154 lb, cotto, prov, Alexander, many.

I think manny can easily do a rio on maidana. Hit and not get hit that style is PAC favorite.

Posted September 3, 2014 4:52 pm 


Anonymous

Don’t tell Floyd that! He’s already scared as hell,!!!

Posted September 3, 2014 4:51 pm 


DELK1

IF PEDMANNY wanted to fight Mayweather, why didn’t he talk this crap when his contract ended with TOP RANK? Can any of you Pacroid fans answer this question. I have asked this question several times throughout many post and NO one has tried to answer it yet. I’m still waiting…..

Posted September 3, 2014 4:48 pm 


PEEJ

Seen Pac driving a ferrari. And he has to have enough cash to pay for his entourage. He had to pay for his votes to get voted into office. Pac has needs to have money for all this. No he does not do the same thing as Floyd with his money but that means nothing. Fact is Pac lives a pretty lavish life style.

Posted September 3, 2014 4:46 pm 


DELK1

Pac v Money May

Pacquiao is not obsessed with cash, he is bigger than that, when have you seen Pacquiao with expensive cars, throwing money at everyone on camera, no fighter in the past has done that. Mayweather is a fool and is likely to lose against Maidana by KO in his next fight.

DELK1
PAC v Money May
YOU BIG DUMMY. PAC is rich, but his EMPLOYEES and FRIENDS are NOT. If he has enough money then he could have fought for some of his POOR countrymen he claims he love so much. Mayweather is not just spending money on himself. He gives tons of money away and provides lifestyles to people and friend that are not as fortunate as he is. GET this through your skull. PAC never wanted to fight Mayweather, he only wants to use his name to promote his BUM fights

Posted September 3, 2014 4:43 pm 


PEEJ

And if Maidana fights Pac after he loses to Floyd all that will being is more heat towards Pac for fighting another fighter coming off a loss. Since he has already done that a couple of times.

Posted September 3, 2014 4:30 pm 


PEEJ

JoJo they are not fighting for Algieri titles. Those fighters mentioned are not moving up in weight. Algieri will still be the WBO titlest if he loses because this fight is being fought at Welterweight.

Posted September 3, 2014 4:29 pm 


SREDMOND

Jo Jo, first of all Maidana will have to defeat Floyd Mayweather which is gonna be a TALL order… In a head to head comparison we know that Mayweather has NOT lost a bout whereas Manny has been KNOCKED OUT recently… I cannot sit around and wait for an unlikely Pac vs Maidana bout to decide who is best… Floyd Mayweather is Unified Champ in 2 weight classes and that says a lot about who he is…

Posted September 3, 2014 4:25 pm 


DELK1

PED MANNY is the ONLY athlete ever that I can recall that flat out tried to make excuses so he would not have to take a better test to determine if HIS opponent is trying to cheat against him by taking PEDs. In other words. MANNY will GO DOWN IN THE HISTORY BOOKS AS THE BIGGEST FRAUD IN BOXING. That’s why he was punish (KTFO) by the higher power in which he believes in.

Posted September 3, 2014 4:20 pm 


DELK1

I mean, why didn’t PAC do what COTTO did to make the fight. Cotto made a 1 fight deal with GB and Mayweather promotions. Made his money and then resigned back with Top Rank. The end fight was made.

At the very least, PEDMANNY could have called Mayweathers bluff by dealing DIRECTLY with his promotional team, and prove once and for all if Mayweather was scared or not. Seems like Manny is not into proving anything is he. I guess that’s why he didn’t take the test when he was on that stuff.

Posted September 3, 2014 4:12 pm 


Anonymous

Jo Jo, Pacquiao hasn’t gone after Algieri’s belt he’s defending his own 147 WBO belt! He could’ve defended his belt against numerous others.

Posted September 3, 2014 4:10 pm 


Jo Jo

Raymond, maidana just said today he wants manny after Floyd . That fight may be next, then we can compare results, what do you think?

Posted September 3, 2014 4:07 pm 


DELK1

PEDMANNY don’t know how to do a dam thing. First off, you have already been KNOCKOUT by SIGNING with TOP RANK AGAIN. 123456789 and 10 YOU’RE OUT. Now GO away and fight your CHERRYPICKED BUM of the MONTH and stop using Mayweathers name to promote it.

Why aren’t you telling us how you are going to beat Aliger. You know why? Because you don’t have to, we already know. GO AWAY PEDMANNY AND FIGHT YOUR BUM and SHUTUP. If you wanted to fight Mayweather you would not have went back to your Plantation when you had you FREEDOM card. GO AWAY and stop mentioning Mayweathers name you free loading PED user, afraid of needles little man.

Posted September 3, 2014 4:04 pm 


Jo Jo

Yo still can’t name a better opponate that chris. He has a140 lb wbo belt. Got that? The belt has the power got that? If Garcia or lamont calls out mannt they will because of that belt they want. The they will also have to ask al hamon they want this fight. Then the fight can happen.
Two side has to want the fight. More so hammon fighter.

Posted September 3, 2014 4:02 pm 


te tumbo

“Garcia. Could have been had, but what the rush . . .”(?!?). more like what’s the hold-up? bottomline, it is Utterly ABSURD to claim that Pacquiao* can’t find better matchups in boxing’s Deeepest division. in fact, the outrage is that he continues to avoid the best comp in Floyd’s division. Btw, i’m not underestimating Algieri but i’m certain that Team Punkuiao* is. why else would they have rushed to confirm that matchup(?) because it certainly wasn’t due to popular demand.

Posted September 3, 2014 4:01 pm 


DELK1

Here we go again, seems like Bob and Pac are up to there old tricks. TALK about a Mayweather fight to the public, trying to bring some attention and promotion to this CHERRYPICKED fight that they are about to participate in.

Posted September 3, 2014 3:57 pm 


te tumbo

instead of targeting specific fighters, Pacquiao* should do like Mayweather and simply fight them All. that’s how fight-fans confirmed that Marquez, Ortiz, and Guerrero were predictably out of their league, that Cotto was surprisingly competitive, that Canelo was overestimated, and that Maidana was underestimated. actual ring performances always trump pre- and post-fight analyses. conversely, there is no way to determine how equal, better, or worse the likes of Garcia, Ortiz, Herrera, Guerrero, Porter, Provodnikov, Canelo, Mathysse, and Maidana are compared to Pacquiao* because he WON’T AGREE TO FACE THE BEST WELTER COMP like Floyd has and does.

Posted September 3, 2014 3:55 pm 


Anonymous

Jo Jo nice theory about Pacquiao unifying light welter except that the Algieri fight is for Pacquiao’s 147 title not Algieri’s 140 one.

Posted September 3, 2014 3:55 pm 


PEEJ

Why would they be sued for making the fight? All Arum has to do is talk to Haymon. But he doesn’t want to. I find that funny since every was saying Floyd was scared of Pac because he kept saying he doesn’t want to work with Arum. But Arum gets a pass for saying the same thing, not wanting to work with Haymon. Whom by the way has a lot of fighters signed.

Posted September 3, 2014 3:54 pm 


SREDMOND

Jo Jo, you have an interesting series of events happening with these fighters I would like to see some of this happen before I get on the train.. Manny is now suddenly gonna be Unified Champ at 140? Pac Man has the WBO belt at 147 and that’s it… AGAIN Manny is a Great fighter but the Top Rank Stable is dead, if he cannot get Arum to work with Oscar I have no clue who he will fight to generate some real interest…

Posted September 3, 2014 3:54 pm 


SREDMOND

Jo Jo, I really don’t necessarily believe the conjecture of guys on a website… How do you prove all these statements and what does this have to do with Algieri being a WEAK opponent for Manny?

Posted September 3, 2014 3:52 pm 


SREDMOND

As far as Mayweather fighting Khan it kills me how you guys act like that is etched in stone… first of all Khan was ALREADY blown off as a Mayweather opponent before and he (Khan has been discussing facing Floyd for YEARS now… Also if Khan is really gonna fight Brook it will be important to see how he looks in that fight, should he struggle or look bad then that does not provide much impetus for a Mayweather bout… One thing I do agree on is that Floyds next opponent has to be bankable with some sort of fanbase…

Posted September 3, 2014 3:51 pm 


Jo Jo

Raymond , what hard to understand about this.

Because GBP and arum can be sued if Oscar made that match up. Remember I said long ago al hamon has to come out and say he allowing his fighter to fight arum? Because halmon had a choice to go against Richard and continue to fight fighters of top rank when richard said he not dealing with arum, but he side with Richard, I am sure arum tryed to call al hammon and tryed to go around Richard ban, but he was turned down and look like they was nasty word exchanged, so arum want to hear some humble words of hamon first. Then they can anounce they can fight each other.

Posted September 3, 2014 3:50 pm 


Jo Jo

SREDMOND. Fight was picked before porter and brook fought, and they need rest and 4 +months of training.
Brook and porter were out. Garcia. Could have been had, but what the rush, algeri has a wbo belt at 140 lb. and catch weight fight you can’t call someone out that a lower weight than you. Remembers Martinez calling out Floyd and manny.No in garcia call out manny first then it’s ok. After he het the belt Garcia, Lamont , broner will call out manny. Manny can try to unfied all belts at 140 lb

Posted September 3, 2014 3:48 pm 


SREDMOND

Matt, I am having a difficult time understanding what you are really trying to say due to a language barrier I believe you are working thru.. You seem to make Haymon the reason that Manny is not fighting outside of Top Rank, I am sure there is some truth to that at the same time I also blame Bob Arum who has been making inhouse matchups CONSTANTLY and looking to bank the cash that comes from these bouts… At the end of the day what do you want me to say? that Algieri is a good opponent for Manny Pacquiao? I disagree

Posted September 3, 2014 3:44 pm 


Mat

Sramond, my replied to peej is on the same subjects .about al hamon fighter secound half.

Why couldn’t Thurman be an option? There is Khan, Alexander,Guerrero , Marquez.

Thurman and Guerrero are al hammon fighter ther out, khan can’t fight till next year and he has a fight promised for Floyd he Floyd manatory and so is manny, and secound choice is brook there have a grudge match in uk.plus that Floyd camp of fight he has to clear out yet. Marquez was first choice he have said about 10 times he has nothing to prove, he happy without a belt.LOL pluss he wantd only million. Fight not worth that high.

Because GBP and arum can be sued if Oscar made that match up. Remember I said long ago al hamon has to come out and say he allowing his fighter to fight arum? Because halmon had a choice to go against Richard and continue to fight fighters of top rank when richard said he not dealing with arum, but he side with Richard, I am sure arum tryed to call al hammon and tryed to go around Richard ban, but he was turned down and look like they was nasty word exchanged, so arum want to hear some humble words of hamon first. Then they can anounce they can fight each other.

Posted September 3, 2014 3:40 pm 


PEEJ

Pac could of fought Thurman, Guerrero, Marquez, Alexander. All fighters ranked at Welterweight.

Posted September 3, 2014 3:39 pm 


SREDMOND

Jo Jo, AGAIN Algieri SUCKS as a Pac Man opponent the fact that Arum keeps him facing Top Rank fighters is only hurting his career at this point… He could fight Garcia, Thurman, Porter anyone but Algieri who is not sellable as a true World Class fighter after squeaking by Provo and then beating no one of note prior to that…Facts are Facts

Posted September 3, 2014 3:39 pm 


PEEJ

I believe that because of the excuses Arum has made over the years. He has constantly killed the fight. With demands of 50/50 split even when Pac said he would take less. Pac fans constantly argue that Pac said he would take less. But Arum wasn’t having that. Saying Floyd doesn’t dictate when they fight even though Floyd has his dates and location reserved basically a year or so in advance. Saying the location isn’t right even though Pac has fought a lot of fights in that same location. And even more funny is that how people say Floyd is scared because he does not want to work with Arum. Yet Arum is on record saying he does not want to work with Haymon, yet he gets a pass on that. Arum sounds like he is more willing but he has done this before. And me I still doubt this fight takes place. Though there is a video of Floyd Sr saying the fight was gonna happen next year also.

Posted September 3, 2014 3:37 pm 


SREDMOND

REM, you scored the fight 7-5 for Maidana???? who is surprised about that? You are fundamentally a pretty cool guy on the board but you are desperate to try and find a way to make Mayweather into Pacquiao… EVERY fighter has a few close fights… Mayweather has only had 2 worth discussing and in neither of those contests was he hurt, down or taking heavy fire… So at the end of the day you want the judges to score in opposition to what they saw so that Manny can have a defeated dance partner? If Maidana won the first bout and outboxed Mayweather first time around (LOL) then you must be confident he will improve upon that this fight….?????

Posted September 3, 2014 3:37 pm 


Jo Jo

SREDMOND. You keep talking about a better opponate, but you still will cant name one fighter that manny should have fought instead of algeri.

Posted September 3, 2014 3:35 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, when is Pac Man gonna fight a NON Top Rank fighter? how long has it been? stop making Floyd responsible for Mannys fate, besides Pac is still figuring out how to stop doing worse and worse against an ancient Marquez…

Posted September 3, 2014 3:17 pm 


SREDMOND

Yeah REM, try again SEVERAL of Mannys fights could have “gone either way” Mayweathers fights are clear the judging can see that all that activity is NOT resulting in landed punches its is one of the reasons he is SO hard to beat… He barely EVER eats a clean blow to the head which is the most obvious scoring punch! This has persisted thru boxing history and being frustrated that Floyd was not wrongly tagged for a loss only leaves you out in the cold.. He is an amazing defender that has never been blasted out like most have during their careers…Every weakness you try to illuminate ONLY makes Manny look 50x worse because he has been CLEARLY stopped 3x and lost 4 solid times without intelligent dispute… Whereas Mayweather has NEVER been defeated and certainly not left on his face…

Posted September 3, 2014 3:16 pm 


TARK

PEEJ.., “Arum has never felt comfortable in putting Pac in with Floyd” LMAO!!!

Arum is the one guy who most wants May-Pac to happen. He still believes the fight will happen, but he’s living in Zu Zu Land. Arum out there in IC 1101, a giant lenticular galaxy at the centre of the Abell 2029 galaxy cluster.

In fact, anyone who thinks Floyd is going to magically grow a pair, and fight Pacquiao, is out there in outer space somewhere.

Posted September 3, 2014 2:53 pm 


Jo Jo

Peej .”Fact is Arum has never felt comfortable in putting Pac in with Floyd. If So the fight would have happen”
Peej,how is your feeling arum don’t feel comfortable putting PAC in with Floyd a fact? That just your miss beliefs. Arum been trying for ages, didn’t you hear Richard admit that it’s was he not Oscar that stop talking to arum on the phone, and Oscar said on his ring magazine that Richard decide after the first fight with arum that he don’t need arum and were just going to fight al hamon fighter. And Oscar cant live with this, he tried to convince Richard that tois is wrong but he wouldn’t change, so he had to clean his house. So it’s not all arum. Richard gave up after first try, and he was lieing all this time. Oscar said he can’t live under a lie.

Posted September 3, 2014 2:36 pm 


PEEJ

Well I really don’t believe that. There is nothing pointing to people being paid off and giving fights to Floyd. The first Castillo fight Floyd was not really a popular fighter. Definitely not the fighter that would get the benefit of the doubt. But again he rematched him and rectified the close fight. I thought Floyd beat Madaina 7 to 5. Same as your score just opposite. Many people say he didn’t lose. Yes there are some that say he did win and I guess you are one of them. My argument is simply throwing punches does not count. You have to land them. Madaina was not landing punches, yes he was throwing a lot of them but not landing them. And now he is rematching him to rectify the doubters who say he lost. Yet he gets chastised for it. Not sure why. He is immediately rematching a fighter he had a close fight with. Pac on the other hand waits years for rematches that should happen right away.

Posted September 3, 2014 2:33 pm 


RapidFire

Jake lead right-I agree man, don’t blame the fighters blame Arum. With him out of the picture we would probably have a trilogy by now..but now we’ll never..we can speculate and dream though lol…cause that’s as far as we’ll get to an actual fight.

Posted September 3, 2014 2:33 pm 


REM

Peej when I say that its because the fights pretty much could’ve went either way. Well imo not the Castillo fight although a close fight I thought Castillo clearly won but I had the Miadana fight a draw after 1st scoring it for Miadana 7-5. The point is these fights are questioned by many so its a hard sell that Floyds undefeated without debate.

Posted September 3, 2014 2:19 pm 


REM

Fair enough Pac has concerns about getting careless again but Floyd has had these concerns since the Castillo fight when he was urinating blood. So does Pac enter the ring feeling invincible anymore no but still supremely confident because of his track record. Floyd on the other hand has expressed concerns for his health in a fight with Pac so is Floyd more confident against Pac than vice versa Floyd comments contridict that statement. In fact that statement says Pacs is the one in Floyds head.

Posted September 3, 2014 2:14 pm 


Jake Lead Rights

It’s a crying shame that we might not ever see a fight that should’ve been made 5 yrs ago. We’re going to tell stories of the fights we saw to our kids and then we’re going to take a long pause and say “there were these two boxers that never fought each other”. SMH! First it was the alleged PEDs of which I admit is a legit argument. But then it was money and venue. Then it was, “well he lost so he needs to prove himself to me”. Now it’s all about Top Rank! WTF FLOYD! Floyd is my boxer I hate his personal life I think he’s an atrocious person. That aside, as a boxer he’s the best. But he’s losing credibility in my book. This Top Rank dispute is BS! Fight the man or shut the FK up!

Posted September 3, 2014 2:09 pm 


PEEJ

Fact is Arum has never felt comfortable in putting Pac in with Floyd. If so it would of happened already. But he hasn’t. I don’t believe Pac or Floyd are scared to fight each other. Arum on the other hand has been milking the money Pac brings. Now that Pac is not the draw he once was he is looking to make the fight. Not sure how serious they are since they are talking about a Garcia fight.

Posted September 3, 2014 2:08 pm 


PEEJ

Rem I don’t agree that he has had the benefit in 2 decisions. He won 1 close fight with Castillo and he clearly beat Oscar and he clearly beat Madaina. May have been close but he clearly beat Madaina.

Posted September 3, 2014 1:55 pm 


Popkins

Hecdog… You’re crazier than a coconut but you make some good points. Mayweather never used to be scared of Pacman, but he is scared if losing his undefeated record and he knows Manny has a potentially nightmare of a style for him. Floyd has been pressured into talking about Pacquiao for so many years now, he probably now has developed some sort of fear of the man. The media has usually accused Floyd of avoiding the fight, not Pacman. Manny wud hav a big psychological edge on fight night if they ever do face eachother.

Posted September 3, 2014 1:39 pm 


Batangueño 2014

Pac is an underrated defensive fighter. He effectively defended against Floyd by signing an extension with Top Rank knowing full well Floyd won’t deal with Arum. That’s what you call ‘phantom ducking’ — stay with Top Rank, avoid Floyd.

Posted September 3, 2014 1:12 pm 


Anonymous

Pac knows how to fight Mayweather because he beat Rios right is fighting the very famous Algieri. LOLOLOLOLOLOL. The face-planting, planking, comatose-inducing-KO victim was talking out of his posterior rice hole. Gotta use Floyd’s name to sell his stup1d fights, of course.

Posted September 3, 2014 1:07 pm 


SREDMOND

REM, Manny was KOEd by a boxer who NEVER defeated another WW fighter besides him… Maidana is a dangerous fighter who punches much harder than Marquez at this weight yet Mayweather handled his business despite his younger opponents tenacity… Marquez is 10 years older than Maidana, naturally smaller and yet STILL a threat to Manny at going on 41 years of age…

Posted September 3, 2014 1:06 pm 


SREDMOND

Pac Man has “doubts” and he expressed them post Rios and Bradley as it pertains to “getting careless” he knows he is vulnerable to being stopped and has lost his killer instinct along the way… Manny is a GREAT fighter but alas his confidence is NOT that of Mayweather… Pac Man discusses losing and getting stopped as if they are options whereas Mayweather treats such events as unthinkable…

Posted September 3, 2014 1:05 pm 


Batangueño Lives On

Yeah, of course you do, Pac. You sue him in the court of law. That’s how you fought Floyd rather than taking the RBT and fighting him in the ring, you gave silly excuses and sued him. LOL. You don’t call that fighting. You chickened out, ya loser!

Posted September 3, 2014 1:01 pm 


REM

Marquez got up off the floor 5xs against Pac and recovered from 2 hard punches that stunned him badly get to where he did against Pac. It doesn’t matter what Floyd has done in his career Pac has always been signifigantly better than anything Floyd has faced. To assume Floyd will handle Pac like he’s has everyone else is ridiculous even if Floyd wins. He’ll absorb far more damage than he ever has and will have to prove my theory that his chin and durability are suspect wrong.

Posted September 3, 2014 12:49 pm 


REM

Good thing Pac doesn’t need to constantly build his confidence and reassure his beliefs in himself. The man is free from doubt and rightfully so with his gifts. Floyd is definitely more leary of Pac than vice versa. With Pacs accolades putting him in a CLASS OF HIS OWN HISTORICALLY and Floyd struggling to defeat a fighter who barely cracks the top 10 in the ww ranking I dont see how Floyd could be rated so highly above Pac.

Posted September 3, 2014 12:40 pm 


SREDMOND

Pacquiao is just NOT this killer at WW that has Floyds number, its unsellable when he is getting stopped by Marquez, barely getting by him and leery of Bradleys blows at this point.

Posted September 3, 2014 12:38 pm 


SREDMOND

Always searching for the PERFECT fighter to defeat Mayweather when all it took to lay out Pac Man was a 39 year old version of JMM who would be made to look HORRIBLE against Mayweather AGAIN if they fought… SMH!

Posted September 3, 2014 12:29 pm 


REM

Sorry fellas but your propaganda didn’t get Floyd all the way to retirement safely without facing Pac. Looks like he’s forced to face Pac in May where the gimmick will finally be exposed.

Posted September 3, 2014 12:29 pm 


ivan

Totally agree with Pacman….

Posted September 3, 2014 12:26 pm 


SREDMOND

REM, you are a drowning man trying to gain parity for Pacquiao… It cannot happen!! Mayweather being off balance is a FAR cry from Manny going down FLAT on his back in the 3rd round against Marquez then being left on his FACE… We have seen Manny stopped 3x, Mayweather has never even been CLOSE to being stopped… Pac Man has 2 draws and a couple of debatable wins (he was robbed against Bradley) Mayweather has lost ONE card in his career… The level of dominance and consistency does not compare, Floyd may lose but his first loss will have come CLOSE to the end of his career and with 40 in sight…

Posted September 3, 2014 12:25 pm 


REM

Yeah some jmws might be tougher for Floyd due to size but none of the orthodox ones. Lara and that kid boo boo athletic southpaws.

Posted September 3, 2014 12:25 pm 


SREDMOND

Pacquiao is NOT “smoking” anyone he is on a 2 fight win streak against guys that have deficits that Floyd does NOT… Pac Man is terrific but in a fight that goes to the cards he is certainly gonna lose the bout… He is just TOO easy for Mayweather to hit and throw off course… His performance against Bradley was NOT the best of Manny he missed ALOT of shots because Tim is a good athlete and can move, Mayweather is a better defender than ALL of them… There is simply NOTHING about Pac that puts him at an advantage to Mayweather the “It factor” he had on his runup is GONE… He is a changed fighter after being KOed, and pulls back for fear of getting his brains scrambled again… Manny will beat most 147 pounders out there but Mayweather is now 2 leagues above him as an Elite fighter with his record and confidence perfectly intact…

Posted September 3, 2014 12:23 pm 


REM

Well Floyd has never officially been down but Zab certainly kded him a southpaw I might add. Not like Pac but a kd is a kd. Floyds record may say no loses but Floyd has been the beneficiary of 2 favorable decisions so the claims of never having lost has little meaning. Great fighter but him never losing or being floored is a myth. Floyd may be better than Marquez but Marquez is way tougher and more durable than Floyd. He also hits harder. Marquez has the tools to compete with Pac in a fight Floyd doesn’t stand a chance in hell in a fight which Pac will easily force him into.

Posted September 3, 2014 12:22 pm 


PEEJ

Surely do. Just like I say Floyd smokes any version of Pac, especially the version that fought Marquez, Bradley or Rios. Also I think Pac is gonna struggle in a decision win against Algieri.

Posted September 3, 2014 12:17 pm 


REM

Peej fair post but you know me I say Pac smokes any version of Floyd. Especially the Floyd that fought Miadana.

Posted September 3, 2014 12:08 pm 


SREDMOND

Manny could not figure out a supreme counterpuncher like Marquez after 4 fights why should would I think that he is magically gonna figure out Mayweather who made Marquez look like he was a Golden Gloves fighter? Pac Man lacks the size of these bigger boxer who can push Floyd in the ring and at least make him uncomfortable Mayweather will arguably be the stronger man in the ring….Again anything can happen and Pacquiao is a GREAT fighter but his flaws have gotten him KOed recently… Mayweathers have left him Undefeated…

Posted September 3, 2014 10:57 am 


SREDMOND

Mayweather has NOT been defeated, NOR has he been on his azz.. Like all fighters and human beings ANYTHING can happen but its very telling that NO ONE has been able to get to him in a manner that gets their hand raised… Manny Pacquiao of today stands less of a chance than others that are in the 154 pound division… Pac Man was unable to effectively dictate to Marquez the past 2 fights and we know the sad end of the last bout for him… Mayweather is a better, bigger, faster more athletic counterpuncher than Marquez and Manny will find that 5 inch reach deficit MURDER when utilized by a fighter that is just as fast or faster than he is will a commitment to sound defense… Fools think those glancing blows, rolled and deflected punches by Maidana provide a blueprint for Floyds defeat.. AGAIN anything can happen but the notion that Manny is uniquely qualified to hand Mayweather a loss or outbox him just does NOT jibe with reality…

Posted September 3, 2014 10:38 am 


PEEJ

You can’t compare like that. Floyd was getting ready for a Madaina fight not a Floyd fight. 2 totally different fighters. Madaina throws looping punches. Pac throws straight punches. Pac has more of a technical stance than Madaian. So that comparison doesn’t work. That is like saying imagined if Pac fought Floyd instead of Marquez that many times. He would of had 4 losses instead of just 1 and a draw.

Posted September 3, 2014 10:30 am 


REM

Just imagine if that was Pac last fight instead of Miadana. Floyd Senior’s documented fear of his son dieing in a fight against Pac would’ve been a reality lmao.

Posted September 3, 2014 10:24 am 


RapidFire

Pac was on PEDS point blank you can make up excuses for him all you want..but in the end there just too much evidence. Sudden loss of power, mass, leg cramping, suspicious water bottles(Roach even came out and questioned Ariza on fight-hype.com, and Maidana’s water bottle scandal when he fought Broner….hold on gotta catch my breath…cut off dates for drug testing so he can clean his system, scared of needles but he has tattoos, the will to drug test suddenly when Ariza left..Pac was juicing period.

Posted September 3, 2014 10:22 am 


BEHAVE

Lol. This is SUCH a BS article. What a complete load of trash. It’s like reading an un’boxing’educated, opinionated 14yr old blurting absurd cr@p with no real point whatsoever. I wont bother listing the fallacies, I’m sure most true boxing fans will spot most of them.

This Mayweather-bumlicker/Pacman-hater has just stolen a couple of minutes of my life and should not be allowed to spurt cr@p on ESB again.

Posted September 3, 2014 7:43 am 


Just so you know

Tark are you honestly saying that Pacquiao has toned down his training routine to avoid accusations?? So he is jeopardizing his effectiveness in the ring by purposely losing mass and definition – essentially weakening himself – just to try and prove a point??
Get a grip.

Posted September 3, 2014 5:16 am 


Taran Dado

Blaze – it’s a pity your brain is not ablaze. Why does Pac need Floyd?

1. Pac owes the BIR 2.2 billion Pesos. (~ 44M USD)
2. His assets have been seized by the Philippine government.
3. Pac owes the IRS 18M USD. But he has offered lien until his issues with them are settled.
4. The Philippines has a taxation treaty with America which offers tax relief through e.g. credit method meaning if Pac paid the IRS and can show proof he has paid taxes then the Philippine Taxation Code will “credit” the taxes he has all ready paid. However, Pac couldn’t reproduce even certified true copies. NB Pac even tried to mislead the public by lying through his arse and insisted the BIR were being unreasonable by demanding the original copies – which is a lot of bollocks!!
5. The Supreme Court last week ruled there was no need for Pac to pay 3.3 billion Pesos in surety and prevented the Philippine government from seizing Pac’s assets until a final decision is made over his tax issues.

As you can see Blaze, Pac is in dire financial straits so he has reached that stage ie. as the legendary Eagles would chime as a sorrowful “DESPERADO”. Pac knows that Floyd is the ONLY answer to his financial woes. Floyd would be Pac’s saviour.

Posted September 3, 2014 5:04 am 


Mbuyiseli

Tark do you believe the crap you spew?

Posted September 3, 2014 4:28 am 


Mbuyiseli

Can one Pacturd tell us when did their idol face a guy that the boxing public demanded? Don’t worry I have the whole day I’ll wait. Mayweather faced Mosley when the public demanded and Canelo. By the way I think Maidana is garbage Kirkland would have been better comp for Mayweather.

Posted September 3, 2014 4:19 am 


Mbuyiseli

Pugfan you moron when Cotto fought Pacquiao he already lost to Cheato and Clottey. You such a clown. Go watch the Clottey fight and see how quiet the MSG was after the 5th round. By the way has anyone felt sorry for Clottey and Paul Williams who fought Cheato years before Cotto? Boxing fans are a fickle bunch. Paul Williams beat Cheato with loaded gloves.

Posted September 3, 2014 4:11 am 


Demonyo

Another article from Mayweather Promotions

Posted September 3, 2014 3:58 am 


Adrian

Rob smith peej!! STFU already with your repeated bs!!!

You say manny never proved he can beat a boxer ??? Gtfo !!! He is about to retire beaten the best out there all the time … What was Mosley ??? Wasn’t he a boxer ?? Mosley was trying to box or should I say run but he surely didn’t slug it out with manny and lost every round, Mosley boxed margarito ears off who is a slugger right ??

And how can you say ” breadly could have beat paqiao again”?? Like he beat him in the first fight !

Posted September 3, 2014 3:33 am 


TARK

That’s anohter way of saying, “I won’t fight you.”

Whatever Pacquiao does he knows there’ll be another roadblock or excuse not to fight… If Mayweather wanted this fight—and he’s fought a lot of fights—it would have been done.

Pacquiao has stopped some of his strength training routines for his last couple fights. He wanted to get rid of Ariza, but he put it on Roach to be the terminator.

He doesn’t want people to think he’s all muscular from enhancements… His arms looked about half the size of Tim Bradley’s at the last weigh-in… He’s very conscious of his image. That’s why he sued Mayweather, Golden Boy, and other individuals for defamation. He wants to be a person of great character and he was very disturbed about public accusations… He wanted full retraction of all the statements, it was very important to him.

He’s doing all the randomized OSDTing almost nobody else is doing because that kind of talk really got to him.

Posted September 3, 2014 2:47 am 


david dimas

floyd-pac 2015!!!!

Posted September 3, 2014 2:37 am 


Popkins

Apparently Mayweather has just said that he’ll fight Pacquiao as long as Manny signs for Mayweather promotions for the fight. … This sounds extremely unreasonable. Surely this is not how any companies do business? … It seems mire than ever, that Floyd is avoiding the fight.

Posted September 3, 2014 2:04 am 


Thomson

When all demands have been met, Mayweather camp will come up with a new cowardly demand after another. Floyd negotiates acting like he have the contract all printed out. Makes you realize they really dont want to negotiate in the first place!

Posted September 3, 2014 1:36 am 


Thomson

Your rival just questioned your manhood, offered to fight for the sake of the fans and not the money, described you as an uneducated bad example. Floyd still has no reply to defend himself???,

Posted September 3, 2014 1:31 am 


Tachyon is a dummy

Paccquiao knows all about random. He speaks and writes in 3 languages.

He instructed his negotiators to agreed to any tests Floyd wanted, up to the day of the fight and between rounds, if that’s what Floyd wanted.

That’s when the money split became the big deal… Pacquiao agreed to the money split Floyd wanted.

That’s when Floyd fled negotiations and went on vacation.

Even when Pacquiao became his mandatory he wouldn’t fight him.. He would be favored to win but he’s still scared.. Super protective of his “O” that’s his whole deal.

Now he says Pacquiao can’t associate with Bob Arum, and that the new holdup.

Posted September 3, 2014 1:25 am 


Pratt

worfless

Posted September 3, 2014 12:59 am 


Pratt

If FM gets knocked out by Maidana then the Pac fight is out the window. It would be worthless.

Posted September 3, 2014 12:58 am 


Cheezb

@hibdeebibdee – “Alvarez? Pac doesn’t fight as a jr. Middleweight so there’s no comparison to make.”

Well… so long as Pacquiao is touted as an 8-division titlist, I think it’s fair to consider how he’d perform against junior middleweights.
Either that or we be realistic about how he was given his eighth division title.

Posted September 3, 2014 12:50 am 


Anonymous

If Floyd can’t pass maidana he have a hard time with rio too. floyd can’t handle pressure fighter, can’t you tell. He get hit too much. Everybody beat maidana up but broner or Floyd , but Floyd did better than broner, but still got hit too much, that why we have to suffer with boring maidana 2, Floyd ego want revenge.

Posted September 3, 2014 12:12 am 


Jo Jo

Manny just called Floyd a uneducated bad example.and say Floyd is fighing t bums. Isnt. That was yesterday still no word back from Floyd. He taking it .Come on Floyd you must be angry. Set a date to beat up manny, or you be skipped again for early next year fight.

Posted September 3, 2014 12:08 am 


hibdeebibdee

“Mayweather has fought Saul “Canelo” Alvarez, Miguel Cotto, Robert Guerrero and Marcos Maidana in his last four fights. Pacquiao has fought Brandon Rios, Tim Bradley [twice] and Juan Manuel Marquez in his last four fights. I’d have to say that Mayweather has fought the better opposition than Pacquiao.”

That’s debatable. Wouldn’t you pick Marquez over Guerrero? How about Bradley and Guerrero? Thats a good match up and hard to pick a winner.

Cotto? Pac smashed Cotto long before Floyd even considered fighting Miguel.

Alvarez? Pac doesn’t fight as a jr. Middleweight so there’s no comparison to make.

Maidana? Everyone has a tough time with Marcos. Pac would do at least as well against him as Floyd did.

Rios? Pac picked him apart and easily beat him. Floyd would do no better.

Posted September 3, 2014 12:05 am 


Tachyon

Yup I know how to fight Mayweather but could not figure out how to fight JMM LOL LOL LOL. Dear Lord pleas let Mayweather pick me next if you do I promise to take the random blood test I looked up random in the dictionary and understand now it means without notice first 3 times around it was a misunderstanding of the language.

Posted September 2, 2014 11:56 pm 


Victor Ortiz

He’s talking about Mayweather AGAIN?? This is starting to become flat out BEGGING! Geez Pac have some self respect.

Posted September 2, 2014 11:54 pm 


pactards r us

Thomson

I thought you were being sarcastic but you’re serious…. LMFAO

Posted September 2, 2014 11:53 pm 


Thomson

what’s so great with 46-0 in 18 years anyway?, Tha FACT is Floyd has not achieved something unique in the ring to make him great or best EVER!

Posted September 2, 2014 11:42 pm 


Mat

RapidFire, PAC fighting at 144ln twice with jmm Floyd fought jmm at 147 lb PAC was ko fighter at 147lb or 148-149 ln at fight night,that 5 pound of muscle less. He build for speed and boxing now, and another thing is your are fighting highter up fighter they are harder to knock out.

Posted September 2, 2014 11:34 pm 


Mat

Marquez ko over PAC was a luck shot, you dont see the punch coming you get knock out that. Martinez vs cotto, Martinez vs Paul William, paulie vs porter,all didnt see the punch coming.
same as you get hit with a pot on the back of your head, garantee knock you will be knock put out. It’s about expecting the collusion and tighten up.

Point is many style of bening a aggressive slugger has a higher percentage of receiving a unseen ko punch, vs a Floyd who isn’t aggressive and lean more to being a counterpuncher, its boring but it’s affective, and even then Bradley took Marquez belt, jmm he has no belt now, and manny did beat undeafeated Bradley who Floyd could have fought but Avoilded and manny won that belt back. That all that matters being top of top rank.

Posted September 2, 2014 11:30 pm 


REM

Force Floyd into a…..

Posted September 2, 2014 11:28 pm 


REM

Manny said exactly what I said its clear as day. Pac has the tools and style to force into a fight. Floyd doesn’t have a chance in hell in a fight with Pac he’s not tough enough. Lets see how Floyd reacts to getting hit clean and often by a great puncher. I predict he gets worn down and beat up.

Posted September 2, 2014 11:27 pm 


RapidFire

It’s a fact that Pac was on Peds, just google it and you’ll find too much evidence..such as the the water bottle scandal. So tell me where’s Pacquiao’s power gone since Ariza left?? Don’t worry I’ll wait . Then the fact that Floyd just hired Ariza on his team speaks volumes imo. Floyd wants the juice lol

Posted September 2, 2014 11:25 pm 


hibdeebibdee

And Btw, Floyd couldn’t KO Pac like Marquez did if Floyd’s life depended on it. Why? Because Floyd is too afraid of getting hit. He doesn’t have the balls, courage, or toughness that Marquez does, to stay in the pocket while getting hammered and still maintain focus to land a KO punch like Marquez did. Floyd couldn’t do that in a million years. He’s too busy backing up, leaning on the ropes, shoulder rolling and hiding behind his shell.

Meanwhile, Marquez scored the knockout of the century. Floyd can only dream of doing that. Against anyone.

Posted September 2, 2014 11:23 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“There is nothing in Pacquiaos arsenal that suggests he could have ever beaten Mayweather, ”

That’s what you say now after he has been KOd by Marquez. In 2009 Floyd didn’t want anything to do with Pacquiao. Why do you think he and his fool daddy and uncle levied bogus accusations of PED use AGAINST HIM?

Think about it…the great Floyd Mayweather Jr. Who now labels himself as “TBE” wasn’t TBE enough to just fight Pac and get it over with, PEDs or no. All Floyd and his deranged family wanted to do was tarnish Pacquiao’s rep and image. Why didn’t he just fight him and not accuse him of anything? Answer? Floyd didn’t want to fight him.

Posted September 2, 2014 11:13 pm 


RapidFire

Hecdog just wants attention. Only true boxing fans can see through Pacquiao’s smokescreen..mentioning Floyd’s name before every fight so he can still be relevant. It’s really starting to get old. Roach isn’t making it any better either..lol when does that dude shut up. Media stop posting his brain farts gawd.

Posted September 2, 2014 11:08 pm 


Roland

Floyd can’t shut out maidana he loses big time he was the only one that wanted this fight, his big ego on the line, sorry Floyd it’s a no win fight. Get it ? You should have shut out b-rated fighter maidana the first time, you can’t this time, your below bradley or khan. Till you prove your not.

Posted September 2, 2014 11:04 pm 


Thurmal Underwear

*****FOR ALIERI VS PACQUIAO PROMOTIONAL USE ONLY****

settle down folks. same ol’ same ol’…..

Posted September 2, 2014 10:51 pm 


Anonymous

Jo Jo who is khan? PAC sparing partner, jab Judah drop Floyd once , Richard steel claim it was a slip, Floyd hands did touch the mat and he got a flush short hook, khan drop juduh 5 round and beat him up 5 rounds, retired him, khan also drop maidana took the full count and won in a UD decission, khan clearly won over this two fighter. So Floyd fight khan or manny which will you pick? Khan and Thurman in your camp. Manny have clear out the 147lb in top rank camp and will soon clear put the 140 lb if Floyd skip PAC again,uneducated were manny words describing Floyd yesterday, manny need licking if Floyd can deliver, but he still don’t want to chance it. Want to go out undeafeated.LOL

Posted September 2, 2014 10:46 pm 


Mayweather

Depends on me Mayweather, I am a promoter, fight Pacquiao, nah, edge it.

.

Posted September 2, 2014 9:59 pm 


PukengInaMoPacquiao

DIPINDS ON MY PROMOTOR, BOB ARUM!!!! Sonnaffabicht coward boxer talking about Mayweather again because he has an upcoming fight but will never fight Mayweather because he knows he will end up looking like a tenderized beef against Mayweather. STOP USING MAYWEATHER’S NAME EVERYTIME YOU HAVE A CHERRY PICKED FIGHT PUTANG INA MO KA!!!. Putang ina mo ka, puro ka satsat wala ka namang bayag, SIPAIN KO MUKHA MO PUTANG INA MO!!!

Posted September 2, 2014 9:44 pm 


Starry Starry nights

A knock OUT for Pac man.

Posted September 2, 2014 9:32 pm 


BoxaDrama

Everyone knows Mayweather desperately needs Pacman. Only his kool-aid drinking fans would say otherwise. He needs him because everyone knows he has run from the main guy most people believed would beat him. No true ATG has ever done that. Floyd knows that boxing historians, other great fighters (Ali, Duran, Leonard, Fedor, Holmes, GGG, Hagler, S. Austin, Chavez, Kovalev) HIS OWN UNCLE, 50-Cent, Eminem, Madonna and even Barack Obama, have all suggested he fears Pac-Man. Now Paqc-Man is calling him out again! If he continues to avoid his greatest threat… well, who can deny the reality… HE SPENT HOS CAREER DODGING HIS BIGGEST THREAT!!… that will be the undeniable narrative in years to come. Name, one all time great who spent their careers cowardly running from their greatest threat? There isn’t one, or else he would not be considered an ATG, EXACTLY!!

Posted September 2, 2014 9:30 pm 


Tim

Ummm, how about fighting pacman for legacy, when it’s still the #1 welterweight fight that fans want to see??? How about this? Do a survey, asking fans who they’d like to see PBF fight next at 147 or 154? Aside from GGG, which we already know PBF won’t fight, I think Pacman would easily come out on top of the survey. And don’t forget, who can PBF fight that will generate more PPV buys than fighting pacman?? Who else?? I cannot think of another fighter that would bring in more PPV buys. Sounds like folks are still trying to give PBF “an out” for fighting pacman.

Posted September 2, 2014 9:24 pm 


Fleet Street

Fleet of foot, run.

Posted September 2, 2014 9:05 pm 


Pac Hobo

Exactly, go cut your hair, make sure whose cutting it, not Sweeney Todd.

Posted September 2, 2014 8:59 pm 


Cheezb

Good that Team Pacquiao are now looking to seriously try to bait Mayweather into a fight. Previously when they’ve talked of it, it always came across as a bit hollow to me. I guess it’s become a necessity now since there really aren’t any more “house” fighters for Pacquiao (i.e. they wouldn’t have even considered Algieri if there were).

I really hope Mayweather goes for it. I have no care to see this second Maidana fight, didn’t care for the first Maidana fight, and have even less interest in a potential Khan fight.

Posted September 2, 2014 8:58 pm 


Iionhard

Whats so surprising about overspending. U probably overspend. MOST people overspend, Btw, its MOSTLY the RICH that file for BANKRUPTCY…….what do “YOU” THINK “rich” people overspend on?? I didnt plan on getting the info, but I’ll get the quotes my naive friend………U need a lesson on human nature, despite how un-human they happen to appear to u……..hold on Hec, I SAW the info before, but never thought i’d need it for naive doubters……..after I cut some hair, I SHALL return with ur info……maybe u can build up the nerve to find it for urself……please dont kill urself when u actually SEE the info……nothing is worth killing urself over….lol

Posted September 2, 2014 8:51 pm 


Pac Hobo

youtube.com/watch?v=lgGKSjiw0HQ

Posted September 2, 2014 8:49 pm 


Pac v Money May

Pac spends carelessly on what, he does not waste his money.

Posted September 2, 2014 8:31 pm 


pactards r us

Benny you the MAN!!

Posted September 2, 2014 8:27 pm 


Iionhard

Dont get it twisted Manny NEEDS money like EVERY other well paid professional athlete! They have to MAINTAIN their WELL DESERVED posh life styles – its something that NEEDS maintenance…..there is NOTHING wrong with that……the problem is spending beyond ur means……Roach went on record to say Pac spends carelessly…..u can google it……Hecdog, I’ll get guotes for u if u dont believe, – I’ll get em’ if u want.

Posted September 2, 2014 8:25 pm 


Pac v Money May

Pacquiao will knock Mayweather spark out, simple as that and everyone knows that really.

Posted September 2, 2014 8:23 pm 


Iionhard

Just buggin’ with the benny alvarez……the last post is by lionhard.

Posted September 2, 2014 8:12 pm 


Pac v Money May

Pacquiao is not obsessed with cash, he is bigger than that, when have you seen Pacquiao with expensive cars, throwing money at everyone on camera, no fighter in the past has done that. Mayweather is a fool and is likely to lose against Maidana by KO in his next fight.

Posted September 2, 2014 8:11 pm 


benny alvarez

Absolutely EXCELLENT article! This talk Manny* is giving is pure HYPE, this is the talk that his fans DROOL over. Team-Test Avoidance, is now DESPERATE for a fight, and seems very resolute in aquiring the BIGGEST purse of their careers! Team-Test Avoiding, has now decided to stop at nothing – PUSHING the issue for this fight to take place. Pac will NOW take a needle on the eyeball, sole of his feet, tongue & btwn his but cheeks – if need be.

There is nothing in Pacquiaos arsenal that suggests he could have ever beaten Mayweather, except for the SHORT previous SUPERNATURAL stint he had with endurance, power, speed & overall toughness – that now evades him. The good thing about this NEW “informative” talk that he’s* doing – is that he’s “promoting” a potential fight, without necessarily needing the aid of Arum. Something Mayweather was right about.

Mannys* strategy talk about “how” he will supposedly win, also will invoke an “I told you so” prompting from the Mayweather haters & Manny* lovers! They are, (Hecdog @ the helm) right now, lighting candles to their false god and ceremoniously injecting themselves with anti freeze. It also seems now, Roach & Crew has seen enough decline in Mayweather to now POUNCE! Not to mention, DESPERATELY not wanting the ‘potentially’ BIGGEST PAYDAY in the HISTORY of boxing to get away from them; whereas before, HIDING something* was of the essence.

Pac* totally has NO RESPECT for AlJeenie, since they believe its a foregone …….. Al will most likely throw a bone in the pursuit of their lofty arrogant goals if he outboxes him. HOW Pacquiao cuts off the ring against his newest foe will probably shed light into if he’s lying or not on how to deal with Mayweather……..For all the Aljeire haters: the guy has good footwork….maybe even better than we suspect.

Posted September 2, 2014 8:10 pm 


Leo

Pac going back to his roots, street begging! He sees how much cash Floyd is making and wants some. Say please and get on your knees.

Posted September 2, 2014 7:57 pm 


Ray Ray

Mayweathers defence isnt perfect? Of course not, no1s is. If u think Floyds defence is dodgy Deep down u must terrified of Pac defence, or lack there of.

Posted September 2, 2014 7:35 pm 


The Big Fight

Pacquiao will just go after him, he has annoyed Pacquiao too much, early KO for Pacquiao. Mayweather will not fight him, Mayweather is just too scared to fight Pacquiao.

Posted September 2, 2014 7:32 pm 


Ray Ray

Tark-and these big shots u speak of equelled how many wins? Zero. Out ofthese 2 guys ur worried about Floyds defence and chin? Each 2 there own….i think uv got it a bit backwards though?

Posted September 2, 2014 7:29 pm 


Blaze

How come every time a Mayweather vs Pac fight is mentioned, some clown Floyd fan brings up Pac’s tax case as if it has anything to do with the fight? Just to clear things up, Pac hasn’t lost the case. He’s in court still and both the Philippines and the US want to make sure he paid his taxes to one or the other, and neither country wants the other to get the tax money that was supposed to go to them. There are tax treatise between the two countries, and this case will take longer than most tax cases because it’s very complicated. Not that any of this makes any difference when it comes to boxing. This only proves that Floyd fanatics will bring up literally ANYTHING to justify Floyd not taking what is supposed to be the most lucrative and easiest fight of his career, according to him. If the fight pays so much and is so easy, why won’t he just fight him? This is a question that NEVER gets a good answer.

Posted September 2, 2014 7:18 pm 


TARK

“Havent even mentioned Floyd’s defence.”

Right!!! You haven’t because Judah, Corley, Mosley, and Cotto caught Floyd with big shots to the head… Roger keeps those King-Sized Q-Tips and coagulants in Floyd’s corner for a good reason – and it it’s not because Floyd’s defense is perfect.

Forget about that lottery shot Marquez landed. Pacquiao was leading their series in knockdowns 5 to 1 before that lucky lottery shot happened. Floyd rarely stops anyone anyway, so it doesn’t matter.

The only thing that matters is Pacquiao would be in Floyd’s face all night – and stay in his face. Floyd wouldn’t have any answers for the pressure and buzzsaw combinations… It would be Pac pounding Oscar De La Hoya all over again..

If Floyd had any answers the CHICKENSHlT would have fought Pacquiao a long time ago – because it’s the biggest money fight in the history of the planet.

Posted September 2, 2014 7:11 pm 


Anonymous

Problem is Floyd knows you know how to fight him and beat him

Posted September 2, 2014 6:56 pm 


Bruce lee

Com on pacman sounds like ur looking past ur up coming fight and trying to sell a mayweather fight not making no since pacman mayweather will pick u apart cus u have no defence .

Posted September 2, 2014 6:47 pm 


Anonymous

Christ Tark you grasp at fighters landing a few clean shots on Floyd as if it shows weakness, he has never been defeated and Moseley didn’t even put him down. Yet you ignore Marquez – not renowned as as a massive punched – planting Pac face first into the canvas.

Posted September 2, 2014 6:46 pm 


Ray Ray

Tark ur cracking jokes arent u? Floyd wont no how 2 deal with Pacs southpaw style? Manny doesnt deal with boxer/counter punchers. Uv seen the JMM fights? Mayweather is a step up on JMM as far as boxer/counter puncher go’s. Havent even mentioned Jr’s defence. Its not rocket science tark, u no what works v South paws? Who’s got a better timed straight right, left hook than Floyd? Straight right down the pipe with the extra reach will hit manny all night long.

Posted September 2, 2014 6:42 pm 


hibdeebibdee

“JMM didn’t win a single round against Mayweather.”

Stupid is as stupid does. Marquez had never fought as a “welterweight” before. He came up two weight divisions to fight Floyd and to add to his stupidity he let Floyd get away with cheating on his weight for their 144 lb. catchweight fight. Floyd would not win every round against Pacman today and he would have had a very tough fight with Pac had they fought back in 2009 when everyone wanted them to and when Pac was in his prime.

Marquez couldn’t beat Pacquiao until he came into the ring built like Hercules. What a coincidence.

Posted September 2, 2014 6:36 pm 


kato3388

I don’t know but Rob Smith seems to have an axe to grind with Pacman. His words show a biased towards Manny, and he seems to heap on the accolades to Maytwitter. Hmmmmmm…

I could write the doppleganger article where I be-little each of Maytwitters supposed “better competition”.

Seriously, Saul was a decent fight, and a hard nosed warrior. I cannot find anything wrong with him.

Cotto – Manny fought Cotto and Cotto barely made it out alive. When he fought Maytwitter, he was barely bruised.

Ummm, seriously, Robert Guerrero?!?!? Talk about feather-fisted. As comparable to Timothy Bradley.

Marcos Maidana, is a powerful fighter that did great against Maytwitter, but other than a destruction of an untested and coddled Broner; Maidana doesn’t have wins against many top – tier fighters.

So I guess it’s all a matter of perspective. I don’t care if a journalist, blogger, writer, interjects their favoritism towards one fighter over another, I think it’s a very good thing. BUt if you are gonna do that. Own it!!!!

Posted September 2, 2014 6:29 pm 


john

Paquio’s a deadly killing machine he’s leathal calcalated and deadly and when he trains for mayweather he’ll be a killer. Hell throw hundreds of accurate fast paced powerful punches from every conceivable angle both orthodox and un orthodox. Mayweather will be doing his usual defensive combined with attacking style combined with countering. Hes got the shoulder rolling, the puncher stance whatever but……..paquio will just bee on him what ever he does and its the same as when htton fought tyzu tyzu said if he hits me with punches a b an c ill counter him with punches d e and f. How so when the punches are coming at you like an uzi sub machine gun lol. Paquio will ruff him up propper and force him to fight by smashing the fuck out of him so bad hell be behind on points panick and have to come forward and fight mayweather. Playing right into paquio’s hands. Being a fight fn ive seen all this before I remember Naz Hammed with his extra large mouth I am the second comming of muhamid al I cannot possibly be beaten then he fought marco bararra and got smashed never to be seen since. Barrara fought another ten years afterwards lmao its all good fun carnt ever seen mayweather wnating to fight paquio some how he aint got the bottle plus doesnt want to loose his zero hed sooner retire a billionaire his zero in tack……….and retire a coward shame really hardly marvin hagler is it or larry holmes those two would fight u in your own back garden litterly for no money just to prove whose the better fighter lmao…….

Posted September 2, 2014 6:26 pm 


hibdeebibdee

Smith should change his name to “Floyd Mayweather Jr. Can do no wrong in my eyes because everything he does is wonderful and perfect.”

Posted September 2, 2014 6:22 pm 


Rt

Hecdog…keep dreaming man. It’s ain’t going to happen. PAC had a chance but he turned down an insane amount of cash. If he never has the opportunity to prove his skill level against Floyd, it’s his own fault.

Posted September 2, 2014 6:20 pm 


Rt

Tark, when Pacman got knocked senseless again JMM, I can honestly say, I lost interest in Pacman and Floyd fighting. JMM didn’t win a single round against Mayweather. Not one round! Pacman is a slug first, leave yourself open for counters kind of fighter. He’s a little guy, with fast hands and feet, but he’s not on Floyd’s level and he’s proved it by his opposition. If he really wants to fight Floyd in 2016, he needs to face the caliber of opposition that Floyd has faced to get back in contention. He was offered 40M. He turned it down. That was a huge mistake. There would have been a rematch clause. Even if he lost, but put on a good show like Maidana, he could have made 100M for two fights. Instead, he refused testing, turned down 40M for 48 minutes as if it was $40 and he blew his shot. Tark, no one cares about your guy anymore. We’ve moved on. Floyd has proved himself 46-47 times. At this point, I don’t think the fight happens and I seriously don’t care. I’ve had the opportunity to see the best fighter of my era and he’s American and his middle name is Joy. Enough said.

Posted September 2, 2014 6:18 pm 


TARK

This pundit has his nose so far up Mayweather’s cheeks that he can see his back teeth.

Fans worldwide want to see Mayweather vs Pacquiao… They DON’T want to see Mayweather fighting unskilled punching bags like Maidana and Khan.

Floyd was rocked by left hands from Zab Judah and DeMarcus Corley… and Floyd couldn’t stop either of those China-chinned southpaws – or even knock them down. Floyd was down himself though against Judah.

Floyd wouldn’t know how to deal with Pacquiao’s southpaw style and tricky offense… Cotto drilled Floyd’s face pretty good and bloodied him up — Roger had to shove those King Sized Q-Tips up Floyd’s nose to stem all the bleeding — Pacquiao would hammer Floyd quite a bit more than that.

Old Mosley smashed Floyd pretting good – and had his legs quivering every which way.. Floyd was doing the dipsy-doodle.. Pacquiao will follow up any brutal shots with a little more passion and fury than Shane showed … He doesn’t like Floyd and wants to finish him off.

Posted September 2, 2014 5:32 pm 


Taran Dado

Hec Purefoods Hot Dog

Pac is lucky that he hasn’t been arrested for the perverted sexual acts he has inflicted on you inside and outside your tiny toilet cubicle of a lovenest in Sarangani. No wonder you always say “Manny is the best”!!

Posted September 2, 2014 5:21 pm 


Thurmal Underwear

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Posted September 2, 2014 5:19 pm 


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Posted September 2, 2014 5:08 pm 


teepee

hecdog u just like to talk cause god gave u lips.Floyd is the top paid in any sport and undefeated so why do he need pac again right lol and stop writing books nobody read all that bs man…

Posted September 2, 2014 4:42 pm 


Taran Dado

Hec Purefoods Hot Dog

It’s a shame that you can’t see that YOU need help. What’s Pac’s rectal temperature as we speak?

Mayweather doesn’t need Pac but Pac needs Mayweather to pay taxes he owes the BIR (just like the IRS). Why do you think your idol fights in Macau nowadays?

Once the whole world realises who the “REAL PACQUIAO” is they will think Floyd is a saint!!!

Posted September 2, 2014 4:42 pm 


lol

Pac should fight Amir Khan. He’ll finally be able to get a knockout for once and his sales will be a little higher since the Brits will buy it in addition to whatever is left of Pacquiao’s fanbase.

Posted September 2, 2014 4:39 pm 


teepee

pac know how to beat Floyd alright with that juice lol

Posted September 2, 2014 4:37 pm 


PEEJ

Nope Floyd does not need Pac nor does Pac need Floyd. Both of their legacies are already set. They are just adding to it. And everybody knows how to beat Floyd until they actually get in the ring with him. Then that is a whole different story.

Posted September 2, 2014 4:26 pm 


Thurmal Underwear

so he knows how to fight mayweather, but still can’t figure out jmm? righttttttt.

Posted September 2, 2014 4:23 pm 


Pugfan

I am sure Paquiao dose know exactly how to fight Floyd. the question will be can he execute?

Posted September 2, 2014 4:16 pm 


Taran Dado

Pac says he has the blueprint to defeat Floyd??? Well, didn’t he also he say he knows how to govern, act on the silver screen / tv shows and play and coach basketball on a professional level too?? What a riot!!!

I think Pac was referring to “Buboy” who poses as Floyd during their countless “slugfest” role plays. The gear they don are strictly tsinelas (slippers / thongs), NBA basketball shorts knock-offs and a white SunJoy or “state-side” Hanes singlet.

Ringside are Sarangani’s finest “standbys” (street bystanders) sporting a San Miguel beer in one hand (courtesy of Pac) and a matching Malboro “yosi” (cigarette) nestled on one ear whose primary job description is to hurl derogatory insults at “Floyd” (portrayed by Buboy). Of course, this whole role play is run by one of Pac’s cronies, Singson, who welcomes all placed bets. Ahhh, just like a mini Las Vegas- Sarangani style.

Outcome: The winner by unanimous
decision – “The Fighting Pride of the Philippines”. The fans are then invited to an impromptu concert at the nearby “barangay” (suburb) basketball court where Pac will sing his heart out and preach.

PACQUIAO- DRUG USER, WOMANISER, GAMBLER, CORRUPT AND INCOMPETENT POLITICIAN, NARCISTIC AND SELFISH CLOWN WHO DOESN’T BAT AN EYELID TO ACTS OF NEPOTISM.

P.S. Watch “Pacquiao:The Movie” his biopic which showed he used drugs.

Posted September 2, 2014 4:15 pm 


Pugfan

Mosley and Margarito were not any more over the hill then Cotto or Guerrero , and Paquiao looked better against a still prime Cotto.

Posted September 2, 2014 4:08 pm 


pactards r us

Prince

Great and accurate post

Posted September 2, 2014 4:07 pm 


The Prince

The funny thing is, Pacquiao has fought majority of the people Floyd fought, and after Floyd beat them when they were at their most dangerous state – Undefeated, Champion, long winning streak. Manny fought them after they lost, and in most cases to Floyd. Floyd’s legacy is secure, those saying otherwise no longer matter, because nothing Floyd does will change their mind and everyone knows this now.

Posted September 2, 2014 4:05 pm 


Ghetto Thug

“Mayweather has fought Saul “Canelo” Alvarez, Miguel Cotto, Robert Guerrero and Marcos Maidana in his last four fights. Pacquiao has fought Brandon Rios, Tim Bradley [twice] and Juan Manuel Marquez in his last four fights. I’d have to say that Mayweather has fought the better opposition than Pacquiao.

You can measure Mayweather’s legacy on the guys he’s fought and he comes out high. Pacquia through no fault of his own is stuck fighting the guys that his promoter Bob Arum puts in front of him. Unfortunately, that’s left Pacquiao fighting a lot of rematches with the same guys with fights against some of over-the-hill fighters like Antonio Margarito and Shane Mosley.”

If this doesnt understand Pactards and haters…. nothing will

Posted September 2, 2014 3:59 pm 


Pugfan

Bradley did not win either fight with Paquiao. Paquiao just got robbed the first time.

Posted September 2, 2014 3:55 pm 


Ghetto Thug

the same strategy over and over, mention Mayweather´s name everytime he will fight, what a lame suckas they are

Posted September 2, 2014 3:55 pm 


Anonymous

teepee: If Pac is washed up, he will be as Floyd says, “easy work”. But I’ll betcha’ Floyd will still make excuses.

Posted September 2, 2014 3:52 pm 


teepee

pac is washed up last time he fought a big name guy pac got put to sleep then rios what a joke then there was Bradley who pac beat already was a safe fight and now this lightweight sparring partner with no punching power please I want to see how many fools will buy pac fight get all there money bob arum if they stupid enough topay to see pac sparring sessions than that they stupid azz lol

Posted September 2, 2014 3:47 pm 


Rob “T H I C K C U N T” Smith

Okay, get deleting, you thick C U N T S (you know it’s true: take an IQ test and see if you can beat 80).

Bye now.

Posted September 2, 2014 3:47 pm 


Rob “T H I C K C U N T” Smith

Can someone please bar me from posting here?

I’m wasting precious time calling Rob Smith a thick C U N T.

Posted September 2, 2014 3:45 pm 


Rob “T H I C K C U N T” Smith

Just call me C U N T.

Posted September 2, 2014 3:44 pm 


Rob Smith

You *know* I’m not, even.

(And the real “Rob Smith” doesn’t correct his typos.)

Posted September 2, 2014 3:43 pm 


Rob Smith

You mean Rob Smith, not Ron, and yes, I’m a thick c u n t.

Of course, you I’m not the real “Rob Smith”, because I can use punctuation properly.

But make no mistake, the real “Rob Smith” is as thick as they come; so too are the folks at ESB who allow him to post his brain farts here. Are they really THAT desperate?!!

Posted September 2, 2014 3:42 pm 


Anonymous

Yep… You fight him like ODL and Maidana, but with more relentless in and out, circular movement and volume pressure, and with faster footwork and more stamina… And Mayweather knows Pacquiao has all those attributes and double fisted power that neither Oscar nor Maidana has. And that is why Mayweather will continue to duck The Pacman.

Posted September 2, 2014 3:37 pm 


Furor Teutonicus

Ron Smith is one thick C U N T.

Posted September 2, 2014 3:34 pm 


Octavius Jomar Chatman

He and his trainer both sound desperate for a fight with Floyd…Also; he should not be looking past Algieri that could end up being a HUGE MISTAKE…..

Posted September 2, 2014 3:30 pm 


ROBBIE T

Everyone who understands boxing knows that mayweather’s been ducking pacquiao for years!
Born Coward!
Peace…Robbie T

Posted September 2, 2014 3:25 pm 


teepee

this is too funny pac is really making a fool of himself everytime he speaks Floyd name. when pac has the chance to fight Floyd he makes excuses then when he has nobody to fight and broke he talks and floyds is fighting someone pac talk all this bs but wont fight when its time too funny

Posted September 2, 2014 3:23 pm 


biohazard

I can’t believe u said its pointless fighting Pacquiao when the fans wants it.SMH

Posted September 2, 2014 3:22 pm 


RapidFire

On a phone so excuse me fellow fans

Posted September 2, 2014 3:17 pm 


RapidFire

*plea

Posted September 2, 2014 3:08 pm 


RapidFire

Lol Manny and his team has been on a high horse lately..wonder what they been smoking. Everyone knows Mayweather wants nothing to do with Arum and Pacquiao’s desperate for help.

Posted September 2, 2014 3:08 pm 



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