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Gonzo the Dragonborn

Again, Calzaghe had already publicly stated (during the build up to the Kessler fight) that he was going to have two more fights, over in the US, which you’d all be criticizing him for not doing, and then head off into the sunset. His left hand was in a terrible state, which is why he’s still to this day barely even hit a heavy bag or sparred since he’s retired, and I do mean BARELY, like almost not at all barely. He’d also admitted his motivation and dedication weren’t what they once were, that he was cutting corners in training for his last few fights, which is understandable if you’ve been training like a lunatic, and his dad used to push him really hard since he was a little boy, for the best part of three decades and been constantly riddled with injury since a 14 year old. A specialist told him he’d never box again when he was 15 or 16 because of a bad problem with his wrist, which never went away, this is why he used to wrap his own hands or get his dad to do them, because he was ultra paranoid that wrist problem would bring about an early end to his career. There’s a short feature on Youtube called ‘On the Right Road’ where you hear a 19 year old Calzaghe say ”he really hopes his hands get better so he can turn professional and do good at it”. Injury had a massive impact on both his career, performances, and style. Had he fought on against the doctor’s advice and beaten Dawson all the critics would’ve just dismissed Dawson as a hype job like they did Lacy. They would’ve said: ”other than a deathly drained Adamek, Dawson had just beaten senile pensioners” lol.

Posted September 18, 2013 11:24 am 

Gonzo’s Deputy Assistant Gareth Blanchard

I’m speaking on behalf of Gonzo because it’s against the rules for a Tier 1 poster to communicate directly with those below Tier 5.

The answer to your question is, it’s one of many privileges Tier 1 posters are afforded.

Posted September 18, 2013 11:07 am 


Gonzo how did you get to post all that…….the most I get to post is two….

Posted September 18, 2013 3:58 am 


Old Yank.., You don’t know what the HELL you’re talking about… Dawson was a top Light Heavyweight for a long time before Andre Ward kicked his ass.. After Calzaghe beat the washed up 39-year-old Roy Jones by decision — and mind you it wasn’t Roy’s age that made him washed up because both Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson were OLDER than Roy Jones when they FLATTENED HIM — Dawson was next.

Roy was an attractive opponent for Calzaghe because he was completely washed up and Calzaghe was still good, just like Floyd is.. Just like Tarver was at 36.. Dawson WASN’T an attractive opponent because he was young, skilled, and fast.

Chad Dawson was the MOST logical opponent in the world for Calzaghe after Calzaghe decisioned the washed up Roy Jones.

Posted September 18, 2013 1:34 am 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

And if you knew anything you’d know that Calzaghe’s hands were completely messed up by that stage of his career, a specialist told him in 2007 that he’d wouldn’t be able to use his left hand never mind punch with it if he didn’t retire. Did you not notice why he was only throwing love taps for the most part in those two fight? lol. You could count the number of hard punches he was throwing in those fights they were so few and far between. And he was wearing specially designed custom gloves and having his hands wrapped properly from the Kessler fight onwards. That’s how bad his hands were. He’d already come out on record saying he was only going to have two more fights after beating Kessler, which he did.

Posted September 17, 2013 11:46 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Funny how you criticize Calzaghe for fighting old men when he was pretty darn old and injury ravaged himself, only like three years younger than Jones, but it’s A OK for fresh as a daisy Dawson who’d feasted on pretty much nothing but the carcasses of old men (a brace of wins against old man river Johnson and even older Tarver), who were much, much older than he was. lol. Calzaghe could’ve fought Dawson instead of Jones but the Jones fight was more a money fight swan song, which was helpful after losing a huge wedge against his wife in the divorce settlement.

Posted September 17, 2013 11:45 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

The Dawson fight? As Old Yank has said, Dawson completely skipped 168, just as Hopkins did, when Calzaghe was king down there. Calzaghe was busy unifying you imbecile. When he moved up to 175 he fought the number 1 ranked fighter in the division and the number 3 ranked P4P fighter in the world. The Hopkins’ fight made much more sense for numerous reasons you @nus blood supping vegetable. And where’s Hopkins ranked today, eh? Over Five years later? lol. He’s still a world champ?

Posted September 17, 2013 11:43 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Regarding the Johnson fights.

Calzaghe went through a terribly acrimonious 18 month long divorce during 2004 and 2005, and was in and out of court all the time. His then wife and her legal team were going to take him to the cleaners for half of his career earnings AND half of all his furture earnings, he had a few mill in the bank but he wasn’t super well off at all. He earned £80,000 (before tax) against Eubank and wasn’t earning mega bucks until he fought Kessler, Hopkins, and Jones. His highest purse, by a good margin, came at the end of that divorce (£735,000 against Mario Veit). It wasn’t exactly a secret Calzaghe was in a real bad mental place all throughout that time, in what he called his ”year and a half of hel” That’s why he only fought twice in two years during that time (looking terrible in one of them) and why there where reports of him going off the rails and getting into huge rows with his wife and getting arrested twice, one of which happened a week or so before he was scheduled to face Johnson. He also was extremely injury prone, especially his brittle hands, and that forced him to pull out of fighting Johnson on one or two occasions. Johnson lost an eliminator against Omar Sheika to fight Calzaghe. He also lost another one against Clinton Woods too, a fight where Calzaghe was ringside. The fight was ”a done deal” had he won.

Posted September 17, 2013 11:21 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Calzaghe had every opportunity to fight Tarver? They were in negotiations to fight each other you imbecile before Tarver fought Hopkins. But guess what happened? Hopkins whooped his ass and killed the fight dead in it’s tracks. Calzaghe then obviously went over to the US, something that plenty of you Americans had spent years criticizing him for but oddly those ignorant minded ones of you who do so never seen to have a problem with your boys never stepping foot outside the protected sanctuary of their homeland.

Posted September 17, 2013 11:06 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

The Manfredo fight was supposed to set up a big clash against Jermain Taylor but Taylor went and priced himself out, demanding a ridiculous and totally unrealistic sum of money.

Posted September 17, 2013 11:02 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Stieglitz, 25, has an unbeaten record of 29-0 (19 KOs), but there are no major names on his record and he is unattractive to the American television companies.

But Calzaghe is more likely to meet Rhode Islander Peter Manfredo Jr – most famous as the runner-up in US TV series “The Contender” – in the UK in March.

Manfredo is well known to the US television audience
“I wasn’t impressed with him in “The Contender” but he’s improved since and his last two fights have been great wins over Scott Pemberton and Joe Spina,” said Calzaghe.

“That would be a tough, exciting fight, and he’s a big name in the US.

“He would offer me a fantastic platform to showcase my skill across the Atlantic where I’m looking for a big-money fight against Bernard Hopkins or Jermain Taylor in June or July.”

Calzaghe, who is adamant he faces a legitimate challenger in a fight which is more about the champion’s chance to shine in front of a large US TV audience and so set up a bigger fight later this year. With US TV network HBO screening the fight live, Calzaghe is anxious to please after his last outing when he admits he under-performed.

Victory could see Calzaghe making his 21st WBO title defence in the USA, possibly against former world middleweight champion Jermain Taylor.
“We’ve been in discussions with Taylor and that’s a fight we would like, but first he has to come through this one,” said W@rren.

Posted September 17, 2013 11:00 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

IBF set to strip Calzaghe’s belt

Calzaghe ripped the IBF belt from Jeff Lacy in March
Wales’ super middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe is expected to be relieved of his IBF title. Calzaghe, who also holds the WBO belt, has been told to agree to fight the IBF’s number one contender Robert Stieglitz by December.

That seems unlikely to fit into the long-reigning champion’s plans.

“It would bother me to lose the title, but business is business and I want the biggest fights and the most money,” Calzaghe told **********.

“HBO want me to fight an American next, and if a bout with [German-based Russian] Stieglitz doesn’t add up we’ll have to knock it on the head.

“I’m going to speak to [promoter] Fr@nk W@rren next week and I hope to find out who I’ll be facing then.”

Posted September 17, 2013 10:59 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

IBF set to strip Calzaghe’s belt

Calzaghe ripped the IBF belt from Jeff Lacy in March
Wales’ super middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe is expected to be relieved of his IBF title. Calzaghe, who also holds the WBO belt, has been told to agree to fight the IBF’s number one contender Robert Stieglitz by December.

That seems unlikely to fit into the long-reigning champion’s plans.

“It would bother me to lose the title, but business is business and I want the biggest fights and the most money,” Calzaghe told BBC Sport Wales.

“[US TV network] HBO want me to fight an American next, and if a bout with [German-based Russian] Stieglitz doesn’t add up we’ll have to knock it on the head.

“I’m going to speak to [promoter] Frank Warren next week and I hope to find out who I’ll be facing then.”

Posted September 17, 2013 10:57 pm 

Cliff Richard

TARK now thinks Calzaghe was scared of “I went 36 rounds with Clinton Woods.” Johnson.. Next he will tell us how Calzaghe avoided Froch by fighting PMJ.. Lol.

Posted September 17, 2013 7:03 pm 

Cliff Richard

TARK always talks crap about Calzaghe..

Posted September 17, 2013 1:30 pm 

Hagler vs Hearns

TARK doesn’t like Calzaghe because he’s lost a lot of money betting against him. I remember reading one of his posts a few years back where he admitted to this. I can’t recall exactly which fights he laid down money on but I definitely remember him saying he lost big on the Lacy and Hopkins’ fights.

Posted September 17, 2013 12:39 pm 

wanna bet

Supreme tennis Court…….What hall of famers has the Klits not fought… specific… one or two……

Posted September 17, 2013 8:12 am 


Not that any of them were punchers… But…

Calzaghe had every opportunity to fight Carl Froch, who called Joe out constantly…

Joe had every opportunity to fight Antonio Tarver, who also loudly called him out…

Glen Johnson, who Joe signed to fight, but postponed the fight 3 times and then killed it, much to Johnson’s eternal disgust… This was after Glen knocked Roy Jones stiff and was considered a threat.

Calzaghe had every opportunity to fight Chad Dawson, who was highly regarded as a boxer at the time… Joe chose retirement after fighting 2 guys in their 40’s.

Posted September 17, 2013 12:40 am 


Ronin.., Right. You’re claiming Dean Francis as a really big puncher that Calzaghe fought??? Not quite.

Have you ever seen Sergei Kovalev fight??? That’s what I mean when I say “puncher.”

Posted September 17, 2013 12:31 am 


Out of order eastside, the time its taking folk to write posts and the get deleted

Posted September 16, 2013 7:31 pm 


Ronin,, Steve Wilson was no mug either. Calzaghe stopped him in 8 or something in his first British title fight. I trained with him in a few national squads Wilson. He was also an Olympic rep for GB.

Posted September 16, 2013 7:21 pm 


FA, I just never seen Canelo do enough in any round bud, I really like him as a fighter as well. He’s got a big future in the game. The thing is in boxing its all about levels, sometimes its as simple as that/

Posted September 16, 2013 7:18 pm 

Fight Aficionado

LEFTHOOK I figure Canelo took 3 rounds out of 12. 4-5 of the rounds had very little offense so if those were close they can justify giving 3-4 rounds tops to Canelo. I’m sure if the NSAC investigated CJ Ross they’d find she’s accepted bribes in multiple fights. Nobody is that incompetent. In any case at least the right guy won.

Posted September 16, 2013 5:11 pm 


Good boring win for Mayweather as expected. Canelo just does not have the speed to catch up with an elusive fighter like Floyd. Not many do.

Posted September 16, 2013 5:07 pm 

Cliff Richard

Tark now thinks Floyd would easily beat Calzaghe and Jones.. Best laugh ever in over 10 years of reading comments on ESB..

Posted September 16, 2013 3:37 pm 

Old Yank

Calzaghe is at least in part a victim of history. The super middleweight division was relatively new and lacked the gravitas of owning a middleweight or light heavy title when Calzaghe staked out his ownership of 168. We saw a lot of middleweights do what some consider whistling past the 168 pound graveyard by either totally skipping the 168 pound divgision or only partaking in teh division long enough to be considered a drive-by at 168 (SEE: Chad Dawson, Mike McCallum, Roy Jones, Jr. and perhaps even James Toney’s 1 1/2 year campaign at 168). Seemingly no one wanted to remain parked at 168 for long as they were moving up.

Calzaghe was one of the most gifted southpaws to enter the ring. No conventional means of fighting this southpaw seemed to work. He had a gyroscope in his head for balance and could throw a punch from angles where you thought he’d fall over. His hand issues were huge as well. Super middleweight was a division lost in the dark; fighters using 168 as a drive-by between middle to light heavy and not particularly interested in “cleaning out the division” or disrupting their journey by facing the guy everyone showed no respect but yet would never face. Did he duck fighters or was American talent unwilling to cross the pond for a high-risk dance with a very unconventional fighter? He was a special champion and his legacy might never be seen for its full meaning because history was not on his side

Posted September 16, 2013 2:10 pm 


Don’t listen to anything TARK the bigot says. He hates Calzaghe and he’s been caught lying about him and talking pure rubbish just for the sake of hating on a number of occasions.

Punchers Calzaghe fought

Chris Eubank
Robin Reid
Omar Sheika
Charles Brewer
Byron Mitchell
Mger Mkrtchyan
Jeff Lacy
Sakio Bika
Mikkel Kessler
Roy Jones
Mark Delaney
Glen Catley
Dean Francis
Jason Matthews

David Starie could crack a bit too.

Tark won’t have heard of a some of those fighters because he’s a thick inbred bigoted yank, but they could all bang. Now watch him predictably try and dispute they couldn’t punch by reeling of a list of excuses.

Posted September 16, 2013 10:22 am 



Posted September 16, 2013 9:40 am 


No-one should pay attention to anything TARK says, he talks more BS than anyone else here, he’s a total idiot.

Posted September 16, 2013 9:09 am 



Posted September 16, 2013 8:08 am 


Calzaghe had a good chin and fought a fair few punchers; Eubank,Brewer, Lacy, Reid, Kessler etc, and was only really hurt once Vs Mitchell. Not sure how relevant the puncher issue is as Mayweather is not a banger.

Posted September 16, 2013 4:23 am 


Didn’t Canelo shop up for the fight?? Sure glad I did not PPV and saved 65 schmakers.

Posted September 16, 2013 1:46 am 


AssyrianGod.., “The types of fighter Floyd would have struggled with were at too high a weight; Roy Jones and Joe Calzaghe.”

I believe Floyd would easily beat them because they didn’t defend that well.. When Roy finally fought a puncher he got flattened.

Calzaghe never did fight anyone who could punch and he was knocked on his ass a few times.

The guys who would give Floyd fits if they were welterweights are guys who can box and punch — like GGG, Kovalev, and Rigondeaux… Those are guys who can kill anybody their weight… Forget it.

Posted September 16, 2013 1:30 am 


How would Pernell Whitaker fare today? He’d be another “ONE”….if he chooses his fights as carefully.

Posted September 16, 2013 12:15 am 


I think Floyd id great. But because he did not fight Pac in his prime there will always be an asterisk beside his “all-time greatness”. He almost got KO’d in the second round by the 3rd best Sugar, who was clearly past his prime. I don’t think he would beaten either of the other two Sugars. I think he may have beaten Hearns, but he probably would have to overcome a closed right eye from that Hearns jab. I would like to see him against Pac, only if Pac looks good against Rios. I know Pac has faded and I’m not sure if he can even beat Rios. Not sure if a Bradley fight would be competitive because Bradley is too slow at 147, as he showed in his last fight. Garcia’s hands are to low to face Floyd. Styles make fights. Amir Khan’s style is good and his nemesis has been big punchers. Khan Floyd could be a fight where a CJ Ross scoring challenge could be justified.

Posted September 15, 2013 9:22 pm 


FA.. I’ve watched the fight again and cant see floyd loosing a single round. They maybe shared a few at very best. Even the 12th, you cant win a round by chasing down and hitting thin air.

Posted September 15, 2013 9:14 pm 


Clesshawn, do you think a prime and at his best Floyd Mayweather could beat Sugar Ray Robinson in the prime of his career?

Posted September 15, 2013 7:26 pm 


A prime Duran, Leonard, Robinson, Hearns, Benitez, Donald Curry, Mike Mcullum would have beaten Floyd Mayweather. These guys wouldn’t sit around like Canelo fought him last night. That was a dumb strategic move on his part. Why on earth would you try and beat Floyd at his own game. A prime JC Chavez would have destroyed a prime Floyd. These guys would walk Floyd down and kill his body for 15 rounds. The fighters today are not as skilled, developed or train how true fighters back then did. They were fighting for pennies, can you imagine if they were making today’s money. We’ll never know, but Floyd would have had his hands full with any of these guys. Floyd is good for his era, but come on, this era of boxing is weak. Floyd fighting a bunch of over the hill ex champs, young ex champs in this era that isn’t very competitive says a lot. If only we could bring back time and finds out. Oh well, this is what we have and we must give Floyd credit.

Posted September 15, 2013 6:50 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Good win for Floyd. It was the first fight of his I watched live in years. I do note his legs are going which is why he doesn’t run anymore. This actually makes his fights more interesting. Still a dominant 117-111 or 116-112 win on my card.

Posted September 15, 2013 6:45 pm 



I like your post, and you brought up some very valid points. Here my take on the fighters of the past and Mayweather. Mayweather would have made Duran to frustrated at lightweight or welter weight. Leonard fought his Dad and beat Senior but Mayweather Jr. works his Dads style better than the teacher. Hearns is the one I would give a 50/50 shot, just because of the way Mosley landed that right over the top on Floyd. I think if Hearns land that same shot it’s good night Mayweather. Still Hearns would have to land that shot.

Posted September 15, 2013 6:44 pm 


“The fact is that FM was calling out greats (in their primes) when they were two and three divisions above him.”

Calling out and actually fighting someone are two different things. I get your point Exiled Yank, but calling out someone doesn’t mean squat. It’s just talk.

It’s just talk but the talk went all the way to the greats turning down the fight on national TV.

Posted September 15, 2013 6:33 pm 


I’m also tired of hearing how Floyd wouldn’t have beat Hearns, Duran, Leonard in their primes? I was around when those guys were fighting and I don’t know if he could or not. No one knows. I do know those fights would have been competitive. Floyd was a beast in the lower weight classes and I do believe he would have competed with those fighters of that ERA. First of all, Floyd was a better defensive fighter than all of them. I believe Floyd would have nullified the offense of a lot of those guys and he was as fast and would have as good of foot movement as any of them also. As much as I liked Hearns, he had a glass jaw, and came up short in most of his big fights. Leonard was washed up by 36 years old. None of them performed at 36 the way Floyd has. Also, some of those guys did not face all the good fighters of their own era. For instance, Leonard never faced Aaron Pryor, or Donald Curry. Hearns didn’t face Mike Mcallum, or Julian Jackson, etc. Hagler did clean out his division, but he should have because that was the only division he fought in. Most of you guys really need to get with your boxing history.

Posted September 15, 2013 5:50 pm 


ADL, you said the fighters that exiled yank presented to you was good, not great and they were B+ level fighters. Ok, so I also ask, give a list of “great fighters” in Floyd’s weight class that he avoided and didn’t want to fight. I’m curious to hear this list. I saw all of Floyd’s fights back then…and I heard him call out Frietas, Casamayor, and Shane when Shane was in his prime, but Shane along with many other fighters at that time was trying to fight Oscar because he was the King of PPV just like Floyd is now. I’m so tired of hearing these people hate on Floyd or say these fighters were old or “past their prime”. So lets define what it mean to be “past your prime”. Is it age? Because if that’s how you define it, then Floyd is past his prime and if that’s the case, then shouldn’t he even get more credit for beating young fighters and champions like Canelo, Guerrero and Ortiz, which all of them fought Floyd after coming off career defining victories. I think you are past you prime if you can no longer perform at top world level, not age.

Posted September 15, 2013 5:38 pm 


Exiled Yank: There you are. I didn’t mean to offend you. We just have different opinions on some things. I have been a boxing fan all of my life and do have what I hope is some knowledge on the subject. I know who Hernandez was but dinner is ready and I have to go. I did enjoy talking
We can continue some other time when I get back on here.

Posted September 15, 2013 4:26 pm 

Exiled Yank

Brroklyn boy – it may also be because Mayorga had just blasted out forrest. I also think FM was at 13o or 135 when forrest was on top of the world. That said, forrest would have been a tough fight for him.

Posted September 15, 2013 4:23 pm 

Exiled Yank

As for the money, sure, all fighters want money. Every single one of them. Answer me this: FM is about the same age as DLH and SSm when he defeated them – had Canelo beat FM last night, would you discredit his victory because Fm was old? And remember that SSM, DLH and Canelo were all holding championships (of one type or another) when FM faced them.

Posted September 15, 2013 4:20 pm 

brooklyn boy


Posted September 15, 2013 4:17 pm 

Exiled Yank

ADL – Again, I implore you to give me a list of A+ fighters FM was supposed to fight. MP is the obvious choice, and as far as I’m concerned both of their legacies are damaged because they did not fight each other. Who else? Who are these supposed greats he needed to fight and avoided? Fm’s worst division was 140, KT was injured, wrapped up in mandatories and then retired after losing to Hatton. He avoided VH, Cotto was not permitted to fight him, and RH bluntly said he wouldn’t, so he moved up to 147. Once at 147, he beat Mitchell to to get adjusted to the weight class (lesson learned from Castillo 1), beat Judah who was one fight removed from his undisputed championship, then beat Baldo who was the WW champ, then he faced DLH for a fat payday. After that he retired. Margo was not know, PW was not even a contender, Berto was barely up and coming, and Clottey was no known. So who did he avoid? SSM was at 154 and FM called him out after the Vargas fights, but SSM refused. Vargas was damaged after Tito, DLH, and SSM. WW was bouncing around 160 at that point because he had proved he was the top man at 154. So where are these prime greats he needed to fight? I gave you a list of solid wins and you give me nothing.

Posted September 15, 2013 4:15 pm 


This forum is like a little kids school playground! Pathetic childish arguments from what are supposed to be intelligent adults! Jeez you’re an embarrassment to yourselves.

Posted September 15, 2013 3:46 pm 


Exiled Yank “Clueless”? I thought we were having a civilized conversation?
You say Hernandez, Castillo, Corrales, Cotto, JMM, DLH, SSM, Manfredy, Chavez Judah, hatton, Ortiz, Alvarez… Castillo, Corrales were good, not greats, He fought Cotto after Marg. Jmm had to come up 2 weight divisions then FM came in over Wight and paid the fine then refused to weigh in on fight night at what most people thought was 160lbs he was 25lbs more than JMM, doesn’t count. DHL and SM were almost 40, doesn’t count for much
Manfredy, Chavez Judah, Hatton, Ortiz, Alvarez were B+ fighters at best
Ill give you Hernandez and I shouldnt. Not only did FM never fight anyone. Fm and Hayman plan it that way and then laugh at all the casual fans for buying into it

Posted September 15, 2013 3:31 pm 

Kid Blast

One other thing here. Those who did not complain when she was appointed to judge this fight need to temper their outrage because they too were part of the problem Where was Ellerbe, Hopkins, and all of the writers when Ross was a named a judge? There was plenty of warning and the advisors should have stepped up and complained to Keith Kizer. Do you think for one minute that Freddie Roach would ever agree to Ford or Ross judging one of his fights?

Posted September 15, 2013 3:28 pm 


Floyd Mayweather Jr truly is the BORING one!

Posted September 15, 2013 3:20 pm 

Exiled Yank

ALD – FM has been the true champion at 130, 135, 147 (2 times), and now 154. I am not talking about useless WBC, WBA, IBF, WBO titles, I’m talking true championships. You don’t become a true champion that many times by facing nobodies. He would have been the champ at 140, but RH refused to fight him so FM moved up to 147.

Posted September 15, 2013 3:11 pm 


spartacus 65 well said. Robinson was in a completely different league to Mayweather. The only people who think otherwise have no idea how good Robinson was. He was truly an exceptional fighter. Clearly the best of all time.

Posted September 15, 2013 3:08 pm 

Exiled Yank

The fact that you don’t mention hernandez proves you are clueless. Hernandez was the true, ring champ at 130 – FM’s first championship fight, and he only has two losses: DLH and FM. Hernandez is a highly respected 130 champ and I bet you have no idea who he even is.

Posted September 15, 2013 3:05 pm 

Exiled Yank

Herndandez, Castillo, Corrales, Cotto, JMM, DLH, SSM, Manfredy, Chavez (killed a man in the ring a few years later in a championship fight), Judah, hatton, Ortiz, Alvarez… FM has a solid resume and enough to be considered a great. Plus he is the reigning and defending champ at two divisions. The fighter he truly avoided was Vivian harris. And if you think all fighters out there aren’t looking for the most money to make, then you’re crazy. they all are.

Posted September 15, 2013 3:03 pm 


Exiled Yank: Ok, forget comparing a million fighters. So, what do you think Fm’s great fights are against good/great fighters in thier prime. Other than Corrales and Castillio, and I’m being generous. I see none. If there are no great opponents how can you be great

Posted September 15, 2013 2:58 pm 


What does Floyd and myself have in COMMON? Floyd is the GREATET fighter ever born and I am the GREATEST fight profit EVER born!!! Do you know what else is great? We also both have the GREATEST amount of haters in our respective professions. Stop living in the PAST and recognize true GREATNESS that is before you!!!

Posted September 15, 2013 2:57 pm 


I predicted all fights CORRECTLY. Give up the HATING I’ve been telling everyone all along I’m just simply the GREATEST fight prophet EVER born!!!!. Last night just CEMENTS my legacy and PROVES to the world what I’ve been saying for YEARS!!!

Posted September 15, 2013 2:53 pm 

Exiled Yank

ALd – you just changed your criteria again. You were saying prime fighters, now you are saying great fighters. Very few greats faced more than a couple of other prime greats. That’s what makes Hagler, Hearnes, Leonard, Duran, ali, frazier, Forman… so special. They were surrounded by several true greats. But even if you break them down, you’ll find issues. Duran quit, Leonard wouldn’t rematch Hagler, Leornard made ridiculous contract demands, hagler didn’t have many others except the ones listed, Frazier was pummeled by Foreman, Foreman has 3x more bums than decent fighters on his resume…. See what I’m doing? Joe Louis admitted to fighting bums – he called them the chump of the month club…. Very few greats faced more than a couple of greats themselves, and even fewer had them in their prime. Roy Jones jr only has two -Toney and Hopkins, yet he’s considered an ATG.

Posted September 15, 2013 2:49 pm 

Exiled Yank

ALD – If you did that with MP, Cotto, and most greats, you’d find holes. FM has fought a solid list of fighters just like MP, Cotto, SSM, DLH, tito and others. But if you want to break them all down, you’d find reasons not to consider them greats.

Posted September 15, 2013 2:37 pm 

spartacus 65

No, he (Mayweather) is not as good as Ray Robinson was. Not close.

Posted September 15, 2013 2:34 pm 

spartacus 65

Really sorry for these spelling errors gentlemen but im typi.g off mt pbone and the cursor is really going beserk. Thanks for your patience.

Posted September 15, 2013 2:32 pm 

spartacus 65

For the individuals who are denigrating past fistic greats keep this in mind. If they eere not performing as some like to say at advanced age as Mayweather is doing, those men foufht more frequently and they fought WARS. men who were EQUALLY as talented as they eere. That takes something over time out of a fighter. Especially those caliber of fighters. They did not have the luxury of fughting sporadically and against a consistent diet of b level dighters. Leonard ib his prime was as xomplete a fifhter you will ever want to see . Terry Norris? Leonard had been no where near his best days when he fought Norris. He had deteriorated quickly after the comeback against hagker. Cocaine addiction certainly didn’t help his cause. There were just some VERY TOUGH fighters back then periid and no one was going unscathed without a loss back in thise days. Keep it in perspective frie.ds.Cheers.

Posted September 15, 2013 2:29 pm 


Exiled Yank: Regarding timelines. I ask you to be fair. FM made Marguez come up 2 wieght diviisions, Broner just did it to. It happens all the time but not when we are talking about FM? Shane fought Winky 2x’s

Posted September 15, 2013 2:20 pm 


Exiled Yank ; My criteria of greatness? I thought the fighters I mentioned was not a bad list. You don’t agree? Now you’re comparing MP to FM. It is a big comparison with allot to consider. First, don’t you think that MP’s performance against bigger guys starting with DH was much more impressive due to MP’s natural smaller size? The press thought so. I think it’s a much bigger accomplishment. I also think that MP’s early fights against Morales, Barrera and Marquez was much higher competition than anyone FM ever fought, you? Too me its not so much who FM fought but when he fought them. How about all the years you are not talking about.
It seems that MP with very few exceptions has always fought tough opposition and FM never has not even at Featherweight to lets say Gatti
If you look at MP’s and FM’s records side by side to me its night and day in Mp’s favor don’t you agree? Even if FM fights someone good Haymen always creates unfair advantages with age, weight ect…

Posted September 15, 2013 2:16 pm 


yourdad, Mayweather better than Sugar Ray Robinson?? That’s pretty funny.

Posted September 15, 2013 2:16 pm 

spartacus 65

Cont. He ( Saul) fought tentative,cautious and without any real FIRE in his belly. Let’s not blame the catchweight. Alvarez was in condition. He had no gameplan. Period. A man is standing right in front if you and you are reluctant to let your hands go? His body wide open for good shots and his chin as well and only halfhearted attempts to muster any kind of offensive strikes is just unacceptable at this level. The fact that a 36 year old pugilist is able to dominate a young, strong fighter like this says a lot about the talent pool that’s out there now.

Posted September 15, 2013 2:14 pm 

spartacus 65

Good day gentlemen. First thing. Mayweather deserves credit for his win. I was pulling fkr the under dog in Canelo. His demeanor throughout the promotion of this bout was admirable in it’s calm confidence. This led me to believe that Al arez was in spite of his shortcomings, would rise to tje occasio and do what aspiring upcomers do and that is put on the fight if their lives. Looking, no WANTING to make a statement. Mayweather did his part. canelo didn’t do his. No doubt remains in my mind that Mayweather can be beaten and even in this dominating performance the openings were there. Still Canelo showed nothing that would deter his opponent. He fought tentative,cau

Posted September 15, 2013 2:07 pm 

Exiled Yank

As for Martinez, i do not expect FM or MP or any WW to go up two divisions. And like I have said time and time again, Arum would not let FM fight Cotto. The only reason MP did is because Arum promoted them both. And Margo was a cheating joke that SSM exposed.

Posted September 15, 2013 2:01 pm 

Exiled Yank

ADL – your time lines and divisions do not match. The only fighter out of that list Fm could have faced was MP. All the others do not match up. Do your homework. FM was calling out several of those guys when he was two or more weight divisions below them and they couldn’t face him. FM was 130 or 135 when Vargas, WW, Forrest, Tito and DLH were at 147, 154, and 160. At that very same time, Morales and Barerra were two or more divisions below him. Do you expect Garcia to jump in weight to fight GGG? Do you expect Ward to drop 154 to fight Canelo? Your logic is lacking and your argument is weak.

Posted September 15, 2013 1:59 pm 

Exiled Yank

ALD – Let’s use your greatness theory with Pac. Pac fought and defeated very few prime, dangerous fighters. We’ll start with Barrera – that’s legit. Morales was past his prime and he still beat MP in the first fight. He fought JMM 4 times and the first three decisions could have gone either way and the fourth fight MP got knocked cold. When MP went to 135 he fought David Diaz for the 135 WBC title. Diaz was not champ, Cassamayor was. Diaz wasn’t even the top contender, Baby Bull Diaz was. At best Diaz was the third ranked fighter at 135. MP then took on a weight drained, past it, recently defeated, DLH. At this point MP was considered to be as great as Armstrong – which was beyond me for reasons I just stated. He fought Margo (after a long suspension) who was a known cheater who wasn’t anything special after his bricks were removed from his gloves. He fought Clottey – like that matters. He did face and defeat Cotto, whom I guess fits your description – so that makes two. He faced Bradley – who he robbed against, but is Bradley really that special? Be honest. He fought SSM after FM soundly defeated him (at the time FM beat him, SSM was considered the best man at 147 after destroying Margo like no one had ever done). He beat RH in two, but FM had already KO’d RH – who you say doesn’t count anyway. So I guess there are no greats right now. Surely Hopkins and Ward don’t fit your definition. For the record, I think MP is a great, plain and simple, just like I say FM is, but according to your twisted, made up criteria for greatness, MP isn’t a great either because he only faced two prime, proven fighters. But MP never faced FM, so I guess neither can be greats because of that. For the record, I blame both of these great fighters for that fight not happening and especially Arum. Which is not surprising considering he would not let a prime Cotto fight FM either.

Posted September 15, 2013 1:53 pm 


Exiled Yank: Your looking at the wrong list . Here it is off the top of my head. Im sure there is more. Barrara, Morales, and Marquez at Featherweight in their prime
Prime De la hoya, Prime Shane Mosley, Vernon Forest, Martinez, Cotto before Marg, Manny Pac. He didn’t even fight good fighters like Williams, Vargas, Winky Wright. Floyd fought 0 great fighters in their prime, not early in his career at Featherweight or at anytime.

Posted September 15, 2013 1:48 pm 


SREDMOND With all respect. Your a big FM supporter and know allot about boxing. I can see that FM is a great fighter but if you make a list of all the greatest fighters since Floyd started and then look at who he fought. How is that looking? I have no doubt that FM could beat allot of people, maybe everyone, but to be
GOAT, don’t you actually have to do it? What does it say about you if you don’t?

Posted September 15, 2013 1:45 pm 


I see people wearing their ”Boxing was better better in my day” glasses this morning.
Mayweather is the greatest WW ever. Deal with it.

Posted September 15, 2013 1:44 pm 

Exiled Yank

ESB is killing me!!! I have a friggin post that isn’t being posted.

Posted September 15, 2013 1:43 pm 

Exiled Yank

ALD – I saw that list and it included Berto, PW, Clottey (I think) and cpouple others. PW was a blown up SMW cherry-picking the WW. Berto was still green when FM retired and dealing with big problems when he returned. Oh, and it’s worth noting FM destroyed the man that tore Berto a new one. And Clottey is not exactly top caliber comp. Cotto was protected. FM beat SSM when SSM was the man at 147. give me something to work with here.

Posted September 15, 2013 1:41 pm 


Exiled Yank: There’s a whole list of guys off the top of my head in a post on this thread somewhere below

Posted September 15, 2013 1:31 pm 

Exiled Yank

Aldo = ADL – sorry for the mix up.

Posted September 15, 2013 1:21 pm 

Exiled Yank

Aldo – give me a break. If you had any idea what you were talking about you would have spouted at least 4 or 5 guys off the top of your head. I can tell you one fighter FM flat out avoided and that was Vivian Harris. FM was his WBA mandatory and refused to take the fight. VH then fought Maussa who beat him. RH then beat Maussa for the title that originated with VH. At that point RH held the IBF from KT and the WBA from Maussa. FM did avoid VH over contract terms walking away from his mandatory title shot. But even with that, was VH a prime fighter FM needed to defeat to earn greatness? Do you even know what I’m talking about? If you have to search boxrec, then don’t reply.

Posted September 15, 2013 1:19 pm 


PAC Man would exchange with Canelo and LOSE this point.. Saul is too big for Manny who is no longer a KO threat at 147 and certainly not 154…PAC Man has not stopped a fighter in YEARS and Canelos bulk would keep him upright and allow him to dig shots into the smaller Pacquiao who cannot resist getting reckless…

Posted September 15, 2013 1:07 pm 


ringwalk: Is there an actual point to your post regarding to any post or is this a free psychological evaluation?

Posted September 15, 2013 1:07 pm 


Terence Crawford would be a good opponent for Mayweather but of course I doubt Floyd wouldn’t risk it against him. Crawford is also a brilliant boxer, much better than Canelo, I’m totally impressed with him. If anyone could beat Mayweather then Crawford could be the one who could do it at 147.

Posted September 15, 2013 1:06 pm 


We have NO clue how he would have fared against any of those guys.. Again you are stacking a 36 year old Mayweather against prime versions of those guys because they were mostly faded by 36 and he’s still taking the new kid to school… Leonard tried what Floyd did against Terry Norris and got humiliated when he was 2 years younger…Floyd Mayweather could compete with ANY WW in the history of the sport…

Posted September 15, 2013 1:03 pm 


Tommy Hearns is “Great” what seriously “Great Fighter” did he beat in his prime? His most notable win was Duran who had 1000 fights and had done a “No Mas” by the time Hearns knocked him cold…Tommy was 29 getting cracked by Barkley and was stopped by both Leonard and Hagler…. We all know Tommys an ATG but you are contradicting yourself… You probably think Floyds still in his athletic prime which is impossible at 36, but he’s still retains enough and has adjusted to where he is still a master at his craft…Shane did NOT face a prime Mayweather nor did Cotto… But FMJ is a cut above the rest and that’s just a fact 22-0 in World Title fights selling all those guys as bums or lames is impossible…

Posted September 15, 2013 1:01 pm 


My Mexican brothers you have been played by one of yours… ODH!!! He hyped Canelo and YOU guys believed it! Super Hyped record, super hyped figther who truly has limited skill… He is really a “B” fighter at best just as Chavez Jr!!! Time to admit it…Canelo is NOT the one, not even close. I gave him ONE round which Money clearly took off. He is a fraud!!!!!! Lmbo!!! He dare to talk about Cotto, hell Cotto took the fight to Mayweather and lost by 3 points. Carrot head barely touched him!!!!

Posted September 15, 2013 12:59 pm 


Happyboy – yep Mayweather is a great in his own era, but he wouldn’t beat Robinson, Leonard, Duran, Hearns, or Whittaker in their prime.

Robinson stands alone as the greatest of all time.

Posted September 15, 2013 12:56 pm 


BY FARRRRR Marquez Greatest Career victory occurred AFTER he was defeated 12-0 by Floyd Mayweather Jr… None of these fighters faced Floyd in “his prime” as amazing as he still is the Mayweather that fought Gatti or Baldomir had speed of hand and foot that made the idea of him being caught a Mathematical impossibility!! The version of him in his 30 stands in front of his opponents for LONG stretches and deals out punishment if EVER his opponents had a chance it’s now… Barrera, Morales and others are Great fighters but on the BEST day of their lives they would stand 0000000 chance against Floyd and that’s not accounting for the size differential… A one handed PAC Man destroyed Marco, Floyd would have boxed him blind… Would Mayweather EVER lose to Zahir Raheem or a slightly more than one handed version of Pacquiao??? Vernon Forrest? Don’t make me laugh he dropped 2 bouts to a laughably crude chain smoking fighter like Ricardo Mayorga ….. See all these guys have off days Floyd does NOT…! Prime Oscar was Great but alas how dot he look against Sweet Pea? And despite me thinking he was BADLY robbed against Trinidad did you see him tired in the Championship rounds when he was 26? Mayweather was 36 looking like he could do ANOTHER 12 rounds last night… This is a superior athlete who is ALWAYS ready and responds harshly when challenged… Canelo was sent back down to the minor leagues like a pitcher with an 9.7 ERA…

Posted September 15, 2013 12:55 pm 

Jim Rich

Canelo would loose against pac man. Is pac even fighting anymore? Isn’t the fight a draw, one judge had it a draw, buy that man a cigar.

Posted September 15, 2013 12:55 pm 


ADL, perhaps a better moniker for you would be ADHD based on your rhetoric. Your posts are the epitome of a conscientious observer, blinded by bias and skewed perspective. Allow me to introduce to your a vocabulary a word that has clearly escaped your logic – OBJECTIVITY. Without it, it’s impossible to regard your opinion in a serious light.

Posted September 15, 2013 12:51 pm 

Keep It Real


Posted September 15, 2013 12:48 pm 


CJ R0SS must never judge a fight again.

Posted September 15, 2013 12:47 pm 


Stan – SRR, SRL, Duran, Hearns, Mayweather must be great 2 b with such C0MPANY.

Posted September 15, 2013 12:39 pm 


ADL When Floyd was fighting at 130 and 135 Barera and Morales were fighting at 115 and 122 Had Floyd destroyed them you would have been complaining that hey were too small. They didn’t move up in weight untill they were old and battle worn (When pac beat them) Then you would complained that they were too old. Vernon Forrest was never great. Oscar and Mosley turned down offers from prime 130 Floyd when they were at 135 because he wasn’t a name yet. They agreed to fight him when he became profitable. They ducked him for years. Jesus they have televised events saying they wouldn’t fight Floyd. Blame Cotto on Arum but Cotto was more popular than great. PWill could fight at 160 chasing welters get real. Vargas never lived up to his hype and was never great. Had Floyd destroyed Vargas which is what would have happened, You would have said That he was ducking Winky wright who by the way was fighting at 154 when Floyd was fighting at 135 So maybe You should trash Winky for not fighting Lennox Lewis. You didn’t follow boxing, you googled a little this, wikied a little that and just agreed with other Floyd haters.

Posted September 15, 2013 12:29 pm 


Khan: The greats of our time were Barrara, Morales, and Marquez at Featherweight in their prime
Prime De la hoya, Prime Shane Mosley, Vernon Forest, Martinez, Cotto before Marg, Manny Pac. He didn’t even fight good fighters like Williams, Vargas, Winky Wright. Floyd fought 0 great fighters in their prime, not early in his career at Featherweight or at anytime.

Posted September 15, 2013 12:19 pm 

Jonn E JaGozza

I’d like to see a rematch between these 2 warriors maybe NOT right off but definitely wiithin the next 2 years and also ,I’d like to see Canelo retire Pacquio as I think “the Packman ” is finished. Any notion that Floyd and Pacquio should fight is foolish, after last night’s performance,
Packman would stand no chance against Floyd. A Garcia Mayweather fight would be great, a Maidaina/Canelo fight would be GREAT as well, I’d like to see Canelo step up and challenge MArtinez for his titile, he’s do much betterthat Chavez Jr. did . I picked Floyd to beat Canelo but I never thought it would be as easy as it was for him . CANELO HAS NOTHING TO BE ASHAMED OF, plus now he’s a very wealthy man…. it was worth the cost of PPV and it re-vitalized the sport.. All in all, it was good for BOXING… PEACE … Boxing

Posted September 15, 2013 12:19 pm 


Public Enemy: Oh, you mean like when Floyd made Marquez come up 2 weight divisions and then came in overweight on purpose and paid the fine
because a 2 weight advantage wasn’t enough and then refused to weigh in on fight night because he gained some more wieght and didnt want everyone to know that he came in as a middleweight at around 160 against a blown up light weight. You mean like that?

Posted September 15, 2013 12:17 pm 



mr rhythm: To be considered great you have to beat the greatest fighters in their prime of your era. Who did FM fight that would fit that description?
DH and SM were old, does not count. Don’t make me write the list of all the greats he didn’t fight since featherweight because it’s all of them. It will be ugly


Yes give us a list of these “Greats” that he didn’t fight.

Posted September 15, 2013 12:08 pm 


Boring, just like Wlad, only Lloyd could not finish him off. At least Wlad finishes his victims off in the end. Wlad is King of Boxing !!

Posted September 15, 2013 11:59 am 


who floyd fight next

Posted September 15, 2013 11:56 am 


Sadly no surprises here. Kind of boring fight, few meaningful exchanges, Mayweather being elusive, winning most rounds with two or three punches making the difference, and Canelo being too damn cautious, slow, flatfooted. Trying to counterpunch the master of counterpunching was no good idea. Everyone fighting Mayweather should know that the moment they step in the ring with him, they are already loosing in the cards in the eyes of the judges because everyone is o focused in Mayweather’s defensive skills. Canelo was actually surprisingly good at defending himself, but that was not how he was going to defeat Mayweather. He should have gone for the KO from the off, and yeah, he might have put himself in risk of a KD or a cut, but at least he would have created more opportunities for landing a big punch and hurting the older man. Canelo is slow and flatfooted, and if he can’t land a punch then he has little other resources , but I actually think he improved in his defensive movements.

Posted September 15, 2013 11:42 am 


PEEJ: Shane fought Forrest didn’t he? So why couldn’t Floyd especially with a catch weight. That is just a sorry excuse

Posted September 15, 2013 11:36 am 


All you Mayweather haters should watch Spike Lee’s film, ‘Do The Right Thing.’
You will probably recognise yourselves.

Posted September 15, 2013 11:35 am 


PEEJ: Hernandez , Hatton, Canelo are B+ level fighters at best and are certainly not considered greats of their time. Corrales, Castillo were good but not considered greats of our time, maybe barely Corrales. The greats of our time were Barrara, Morales, and Marquez at Featherweight in their prime
Prime De la hoya, Prime Shane Mosley, Vernon Forest, Martinez, Cotto before Marg, Manny Pac. He didn’t even fight good fighters like Williams, Vargas, Winky Wright. Floyd fought 0 great fighters in their prime, not early in his career at Featherweight or at anytime. Zero, not one and now it doesn’t matter because he waited them all out. Their nether retired or old. Maybe he could have beaten them all but since he opted for the money instead of the glory he deserves and gets no glory.

Posted September 15, 2013 11:34 am 


It’s time for everyone to recognize that Floyd is special!!

Posted September 15, 2013 11:33 am 


Unfortunately Forrest and Floyd where never in the same weight class

Posted September 15, 2013 11:30 am 

John Digby

They tried to hype this fight up and I knew it would not be a contest.

Posted September 15, 2013 11:20 am 


Brooklyn boy How about Winky Wright Shane lost to him too. Matter of fact, how about any fighter that was considered a great in their prime in his 17yr career. He might have beaten them all but we will never know because he didn’t fight any of them.

Posted September 15, 2013 11:11 am 

brooklyn boy

I would have liked to see mayweather against Vernon forrest ,while both where in there prime.he was a tall welterweight.He beat sugar shane.when he was alive I never heard mayweather mention his name maybe too much risk no reward.i want to see mayweather fight golovkin but that will never happen cause of the promotional differences

Posted September 15, 2013 11:04 am 


Floyd has got several HOF fighters on his résumé. Not many fighters do. Floyd is an all time great. I don’t think he is the greatest but he is the greatest of this generation. Hernandez was in his prime, so was Corrales, Castillo, Hatton, and now you can add Canelo. Later you can add up all the HOF fighters that will be on his résumé. He is also considered one of the best if not the best 130lb fighter ever. Get over it the man is great. And all you folks who say glad I didn’t pay for it, funny how you know how all the fights went.

Posted September 15, 2013 11:03 am 


Simply the best! Floyd Money Mayweather

Posted September 15, 2013 10:57 am 


glad I saved my 65 bucks and did not ppv.

Posted September 15, 2013 10:53 am 

Supreme Court Of The Third World

Money was too slick for carrot top, the fact that he had to weight drain Canelo and essentially fought a weaker version of Canelo than the one Ryan Rhodes fought is irrelevant, Canelo shouldn’t have signed the contract.

Posted September 15, 2013 10:47 am 


what canelo get for fight

Posted September 15, 2013 10:42 am 


Mayweather is the p4p best fighter of his era. 96-present. a class above the rest….. @Hidalgo, regardless he towered over Mayweather.

Posted September 15, 2013 10:27 am 


“The fact is that FM was calling out greats (in their primes) when they were two and three divisions above him.”

Calling out and actually fighting someone are two different things. I get your point Exiled Yank, but calling out someone doesn’t mean squat. It’s just talk.

Posted September 15, 2013 10:25 am 


Mr. rhythm, Corrales is 5’101/2″, not 6′ tall.

Posted September 15, 2013 10:24 am 


Some of the best Fighters walk the line between Greatness and Insanity

Yes Edwin Valero was a manic but he was only one fight away from a fight with PAC man before he lost it on drugs and killed his wife then himself

What a fight that would have been

Posted September 15, 2013 10:02 am 


Edwin Valero I almost forgot about him. He fought a little like Pac and had
power too. To bad he was insane

Posted September 15, 2013 9:53 am 


Supreme Court: Thier home town is a little on the corrupt side. I think it takes more than votes to win in Kiev.

Posted September 15, 2013 9:51 am 


boxing barlow – Mayweather ‘greatest of all time’ … you haven’t got a clue. Sugar Ray Robinson was on a totally different planet. I seriously doubt that Mayweather could beat Sugar Ray Leonard. He ‘might’ beat Sweet P Whittaker but I wouldn’t bet on it. Also I don’t think he could beat a prime Roberto Duran at WW. He might beat a prime ‘Tommy Hearns’ but I seriously doubt it. Mayweather is an all time great, but nowhere near the best of all time, that title remains with Sugar Ray Robinson.

Posted September 15, 2013 9:47 am 


Where is Edwin Valero when you needed him?
If he had held it together with 27 KO’s in 27 fights, he would have been the one to test Floyd

Posted September 15, 2013 9:44 am 


as i said all along a very easy victory for mayweather against a very overatted canelo (i never understood the hype for this fight considering that canelo has never beaten anybody except a shot mosley and even lost in my view a close fight agnst trout as mentioned in my previous posts)
i dont think this fight proved anything except of course that mayweather is very good-
i am not a mayweather fan as he unfo never is in very entertaining figths hwver u have to admit that he is good – but i will never forgive him for not having fought a prime pacquiao – that fight would have been one of the best ever – mayweather could have won of course (as he really is good) but i think that deep down he knew that only one guy could beat him and that was a prime pacquiao – and mayweather does not like to take unnecessary risks – thats why no matter how good he is i (and he is very very good) i will always refuse to consider him great because greats are supposed to always fight the best

Posted September 15, 2013 9:27 am 


A very disappointing performance by Canelo (much worse than that of Guerrero). I think what made him suffer was his poor foot speed. He just could’t catch the slick and long-armed Mayweather.

Posted September 15, 2013 9:19 am 

Exiled Yank

FM is not the GOAT. I’m not arguing that. He is a great though.

Posted September 15, 2013 9:19 am 

Exiled Yank

13 = 130.

Posted September 15, 2013 9:17 am 

Big Al

Boxing may need to create a new mythical title just for Mayweather alone. Pound for Pound just isn’t enough.

Posted September 15, 2013 9:17 am 

Exiled Yank

ADL – What greats did FM need to fight in order to be considered a great? Who was in his division, in their prime that could be considered greats? I can use you exact argument against MP, DLH, Tito, BH, and more. The fact is that FM was calling out greats (in their primes) when they were two and three divisions above him. What greats did FM avoid? Give me names. i want to know who he needed to defeat at 13 through 154. I also want them to be in the same class when they were in their primes. Who did he avoid in the same division in their prime? Give me a list.

Posted September 15, 2013 9:16 am 



Posted September 15, 2013 9:09 am 


My hat is off to mayweather. That was something to watch.props for standing and not making it a track meet… I wonder how he would do with someone with the speed of Sergio Martinez, whom has stated in the past would come down to 154 for mayweather.

Posted September 15, 2013 9:02 am 


4 for 4 on the night. Just ANOTHER dat at the OFFICE for the Great ONE! All of you posters need to stop hating and really start embracing me because I truly am the GREATEST fight prophet EVER born!!! Enough is enough give me my respect!!!

I now turn over this page to the influx of IMPOSTORS that will surely be coming through trying to be like me.

Posted September 15, 2013 8:47 am 


mr rhythm: To be considered great you have to beat the greatest fighters in their prime of your era. Who did FM fight that would fit that description?
DH and SM were old, does not count. Don’t make me write the list of all the greats he didn’t fight since featherweight because it’s all of them. It will be ugly

Posted September 15, 2013 8:47 am 



Posted September 15, 2013 8:44 am 



Posted September 15, 2013 8:41 am 

mr rhythm

Floyd beat Diego Corrales who was a towering 6 ft lightweight when he was undefeated and knocking out everyone, he beat Hatton when he was undefeated and had the high k.o percentage, he beat up a bigger brawler in Gatti, he beat up Zab Judah, he beat up a bigger De La Hoya, he beat Castillo with one hand, then rematched him and beat the stuffing out of him even clearer, he beat Angel Manfredy, he beat Shane Mosely who never recovered, he beat Victor Ortiz and humiliated him, he retired, came back and beat up Marquez who was the 2nd best fighter in the world… just face it, Floyd is a great great fighter.

Posted September 15, 2013 8:37 am 


The fight was boring to die,Mayweather does not take any chance,he fought like he was afraid and Canelo did not do anything to change that.Boring!

Posted September 15, 2013 8:36 am 


Exiled Yank: The only way you can be considered great is to beat the best fighters of your time in their prime. Maybe he could have beaten all of them but the point is he didn’t fight them. It doesn’t matter why. Also, all you talk about is the recant era. How about all the great fighters he didn’t fight early in his career. He fought none of them, not one. He has never fought one great in his prime in 17yrs, maybe Corrales?

Posted September 15, 2013 8:33 am 



Posted September 15, 2013 8:28 am 

Exiled Yank

ADL – Then greats wouldn’t fight him when they were in their primes. It’s that simple.

Posted September 15, 2013 8:25 am 

Exiled Yank

ADL – my post to Swede applies to you too. FM was calling DLH out in the early 2000s and SSM year before they faced off. I still remember SM telling Merchant he wouldn’t fight FM because he had a tooth ache and needed a vacation. Arum protected Cotto. ZJ was only one fight removed from being the undisputed WW champ of the world and the very next figt FM beat the man that took ZJ’s championship. Gatti (RIP) didn’t want FM and Hatton was the 140 pound champ when they fought and said that he (Hatton) wasn’t ready to fight FM, which why they fought at WW.

Posted September 15, 2013 8:24 am 


Exiled Yank: Yeah, look at his resume there is not one, not one great in his prime. Not from featherwieght to now, not one. Unless you want to call Corrales great?

Posted September 15, 2013 8:20 am 

mr rhythm

36 years old and just beat a 23 year old superstar that outweighed him by 15 pounds and Floyd beat Canelo CONVINCINGLY! Give the man his props.

Posted September 15, 2013 8:19 am 

Exiled Yank

Here come the “cherry-picker” posts I expected. Swedish boxing fan, look at the man’s resume. How many champions does a man have to fight to not be a cherry-picker? FM was calling out DLH and SSM years before they would actually fight him. Pac is is just as guilty for that fight not happening as FM. Who should he have fought? RH refused to fight him at 140. Arum wouldn’t allow Cotto to fight him and when they did Cotto was finally fighting at his best weight. Paul Williams was crap and everyone knows it. He was a friggin SMW who boiled down to WW and when he finally fought at his natural weight he got beat soundly. Berto was young when FM retired the first time and when FM returned Berto beginning to slip. Bradly got a gift against MP and he proved in his last fight that WW is not his division. If FM faces him he will be berated for cherry-picking even more.

Posted September 15, 2013 8:17 am 


DMX: Why not Amir Khan? He has a weak chin but Floyd is not really a puncher. He is fast, has good movement and a big fanbase

Posted September 15, 2013 8:16 am 



Posted September 15, 2013 8:14 am 

Exiled Yank

Evidently Fm injured his elbow last night. At least according to the BBC.

Posted September 15, 2013 8:10 am 


Floyd is running out of opponents that will warrant PPV cash

Only worthy Fights left

1. Manny Pacquiao
2. Adrien Broner or Tim Bradley if he gets past Marquez
3. Sergio Martinez

And finally bow out in his last fight against GGG Golvokin

Only the above will generate the cash

Posted September 15, 2013 8:08 am 

Swedish Boxing Fan

Floyd Mayweather Jr, well congratulations for your victory over Saul Alvarez. Sure Mayweather Jr is a great boxer and all BUT he will never become anything nnear THE GREATEST. To become the greatest you have to do a lot of challanges to reach that level and Mayweather Jr haven’t done that in his career. He have cherry picked his opponents carefully to avoid the opponents who have/had a decent chanse to defeat him. Why haven’t we seen a fight with Floyd Mayweather Jr against Manny “Pac-Man” Paquiao? why not back then with Paul “The Punisher” Williams? Why not against Timoty Bradley? why not against Andre Berto? These are/was top opponents people wanted to see Mayweather Jr fight against and specally Paquiao and Williams proved to be the best qualified opponents to make that test to Mayweather Jr BUT “Money” Floyd did not want to go there and that is what brings to the conclusion – That Floyd Mayweather Jr will be regarded as one of the best of all times BUT NEVER the GREATEST. End of disscusion.

Posted September 15, 2013 7:56 am 

Exiled Yank

Now let the “cherry-picker” comments begin.

Posted September 15, 2013 7:54 am 

Exiled Yank

FM went after him from the opening bell. Canelo did not expect that (nor did anyone else) and he never recovered. He couldn’t get any rhythm and never recovered. FM proved just how damn god he is. And for the record, outside of George Forman, Paulie M is about the best analyst HBO and Showtime has ever had.

Posted September 15, 2013 7:52 am 

K2 Fan

Well , now that this hype and hoopla dog and pony show is over with ,
perhaps there are going to be more interesting stories on this site than
ten to fifteen hype articles about these two ! It was getting way out of hand !

Posted September 15, 2013 7:50 am 


Canelo beats Trout and is considered a great fighter (a status earned when you hold the WBA, WBC & Ring Magazine titles).

Canelo then loses to one of the best fighters of all time in Mayweather and is now over-rated, hyped up and useless.

Oh how fickle boxing fans are!

Posted September 15, 2013 7:44 am 



Posted September 15, 2013 7:35 am 


floyd wasd almost flawless last night. Canello and the judge that scored it a draw were utterly clueless. Canelo was lost in the ring.

Posted September 15, 2013 7:25 am 


Boxing Barlow, I’ts sad you can’t enjoy watching one of the goat put on an absolute lesson. His performance was almost flawless. Great to watch.

Posted September 15, 2013 7:16 am 



Posted September 15, 2013 7:13 am 

Ivan Danko

Chucky is the biggest hype job in boxing history. He is one of the biggest frauds in boxing history.
Chucky did worse than old Mosley, Cotto or even Guerrero.
There is no way i’m gonna see this fraud anymore. Showtime is a jest.

Sugar Ray Robinson or Sugar Ray Leonard would kill Mayweather. SREDMOND if you think otherwise, you are the biggest joke i’ve ever seen.

Posted September 15, 2013 6:57 am 


Floyd beat him like a red headed step child who stole something

Posted September 15, 2013 6:50 am 


It was embarrassing for Saul tonight ………Oscar made him believe he could beat Junior HAHAHA Canelo really believed that ……..He looked shell shocked during the later part of the bout , and specially when it was over……….He realized he had duped all those people his Mexican fans , who had all been taken for a ride …………

Posted September 15, 2013 6:17 am 


Oh, Wait… I almost forgot in addition to beating every one dementional flat-footed Mexican style fighter/plodder with no variety, lateral movement or real athletic skill with a big fan base. He also beat Mosley, De le Hoya when they were almost 40 yrs old, Marquez while outweighing him by 25lbs,
Cotto after the Margarita fight and a couple of other B+ fighters with big fan bases (Judah, Gatti (R.I.P.), Hatten) While avoiding every great fighter in their prime through his entire career from Featherweight to now
Maybe he would have beaten them all. To bad, we will never find out. That’s what happens when your priority is making money instead of proving that you are the best. Nobody remembers how much money athletes make they remember greatness and greatness can only be achieved by beating the best in their prime.

Posted September 15, 2013 6:07 am 


Many people thought that Floyd was scared of Canelo that Canelo was going to knock him out, well as it turned out Canelo was a mismatch. It wasn’t Canelo’s fault but it was just Floyd being Floyd.

Posted September 15, 2013 6:03 am 


Yeah, he is the one all right. The One that beat every one-dimensional flat-footed Mexican style fighter/plodder with no variety, lateral movement or real athletic skill with a big fan base. Congratulations are in order

Posted September 15, 2013 5:47 am 

boxing barlow

This probably was the biggest let down fight I have ever seen though! As much as tge boxing fan must sit back and admire Floyds skills I can honestly say it was one of the least entertaining fights I have ever seen.

Posted September 15, 2013 5:40 am 

boxing barlow

Floyd is an all time great and I am now of the opinion that if he were to add one lasr name, Pacman to his resume he should be considered to be the undesputed greatest of all time!

Posted September 15, 2013 5:38 am 

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