The so called HOFers Ali beat were not very good when he faced them.. Frazier was destroyed by the only big tall puncher he ever faced… Foreman was boxed to death by the super weak hitting Jimmy Young… Archie Moore was 52 years old who fought his first 50 pro fights as a Welterweight.. Jimmy Ellis fought most of his career fights as a middleweight… Liston lost due to an injured biceps in the first fight when the cards were dead even… In the second fight he was robbed because Ali refused to go to a neutral corner and Liston got no count from the referee… The referee was busy trying to get Ali to a neutral corner and Ali repeatedly rejected the referee’s orders… The commission agreed that the count should have been suspended and Liston should have been given a count after Ali finally went to a neutral corner — but they refused to change Joe Walcott’s messed up decision… Ali should have been DQ’d.. Larry Holmes is the only boxer Ali ever faced who was a natural full sized heavyweight who could box very well and punch a little bit as well.. Holmes beat Ali every minute of every round.. Patterson was a little guy who weighed less than 200 pounds and had a severly injured back when he fought Ali.. Patterson had 8 losses in his career and there’s 30 heavyweights who could beat him today… That’s it for the HOFers. Some list.Posted May 7, 2013 3:45 am
It’s Me, Ernie
K-2 F@G- A hundred and fifty countries about the size of Rhode Island…Posted May 5, 2013 12:06 pm
Awesome win………….fight James Toney or Fraudly Harrison next. They would be tough fights because they would also take Pianeta.Posted May 5, 2013 11:37 am
It’s always the case ; the ones who know the least , yell the loudest . Like
To ALL you Fish Eyed trolls out there ; Wlad just got his 52nd K.O , by dispatching an UNDEFEATED , YOUNG , TALL ( 6′ 5″ ) in the sixth round !
At this age Ali had defeated something like 7 HOFers, was a legend and had 20x make that 56x the epic fights Klits had unless you think his serial TKO losses in his prime were great nights? Wlad KOed a guy he had already been working over in sparring SHAMEFUL after the several weak defenses he’s made as of late Mormeck, Wach, Thompson now this nobody who was on his staff… At this age Ali had NEVER been stopped meanwhile Wlad was stopped 3X ins his prime by an out of shape greens keeper/caddy and a certified bum who came close to losing 50% of his bouts… Best guy that stopped him was a B- fighter… Ali’s name comes up because Pianetas NEVER WILL…Posted May 4, 2013 7:38 pm
WOW, KLITSCHKO EASILY DISPATCHES ANOTHER UNDEFEATED HW. AT THIS AGE ALI WAS BARELY BEATING BUMS WHO HAD MORE LOSSES THAN WINS. KLITSCHKO BEATS ALIE EASILY!!Posted May 4, 2013 5:41 pm
mean 3-punch-combo (left, right, left hook), Wlad koes Pianeta with a left hook.Posted May 4, 2013 5:40 pm
True Wlad is taking on a lesser fighter, but at this weight one wild swing at an unprotected chin can make history. This fight will be more competative and more value for money than Holmes/Frazier, Lewis/Golota and Foreman/Roman fights. I guess Joe Louis would have been critisied too for his bum a month club.Posted May 4, 2013 4:07 pm
Francesco Pianeta.. Lol.Posted May 4, 2013 3:46 pm
What has juicing got to do with boxing, you fool, this isn’t body building..Posted May 4, 2013 3:06 pm
Juice Up Mafioso
Italian athletics has in their use the best doping labs on the planet. They are simply the best in juicing up their fighters. Hope it works for them.Posted May 4, 2013 3:00 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Unlike your usual insane drivel, this post had most excellent points:
“I KNEW Tark and Co would begin compiling a PHONEY list of attributes for Pianeta… This guy is like Charr and Wach he is a NOBODY he has not impressed the world and his name is NOT in the mix of contenders that are in play… Sanders was a guy Wlad was supposed to wipe out and because he came in from the links and blasted Wlad out in the upset of the Year you buffoons have been trying to elevate a fighter like him to sainthood… His stamina was supspect due to his part time status and he got to Wlad early which was fortuitous… Pianeta is a benchmark of NOTHING absent being a young guy with a commendable physique… NO ONE was talking about him they were droning on about Pulev, Adulasamov, Price (before he got embarassed) Arreola, Helenius and others not once did the name Pianeta surface as a contender BUT because Wlad needs someone to pad his record with “Spin Master Flash” AKA Tark will treat us all to some Science fiction about Pianetas skills and threat level… LOL”Posted May 4, 2013 2:47 pm
@sad american We have no one remotely close to Wladimar and for that reason everyone is critical of them.
Contender # 45
Robert Helenius said years ago that if he gets the chance to fight the K-bros, he is gonna give everything to destroy Klitscho whose destroyed the HW scene. Helenius is #1 WBO Contender.Posted May 4, 2013 2:36 pm
@easy k – wlad will still fight like he’s scared. He is scared ´cos his choosing these tincans!Posted May 4, 2013 2:30 pm
I KNEW Tark and Co would begin compiling a PHONEY list of attributes for Pianeta… This guy is like Charr and Wach he is a NOBODY he has not impressed the world and his name is NOT in the mix of contenders that are in play… Sanders was a guy Wlad was supposed to wipe out and because he came in from the links and blasted Wlad out in the upset of the Year you buffoons have been trying to elevate a fighter like him to sainthood… His stamina was supspect due to his part time status and he got to Wlad early which was fortuitous… Pianeta is a benchmark of NOTHING absent being a young guy with a commendable physique… NO ONE was talking about him they were droning on about Pulev, Adulasamov, Price (before he got embarassed) Arreola, Helenius and others not once did the name Pianeta surface as a contender BUT because Wlad needs someone to pad his record with “Spin Master Flash” AKA Tark will treat us all to some Science fiction about Pianetas skills and threat level… LOLPosted May 4, 2013 2:12 pm
One thing you forgot Sanders like Shavers might have been limited…but had very good power always a concern,could take you out whenever.Pianeta a concern…highly doubt it.Posted May 4, 2013 1:38 pm
Peaneta is a better pure boxer than Corrie Sanders… He has a very similar southpaw stance. His height, weight, and reach are very similar.. He’s in far better physical condition, and doesn’t play golf. Physically he’s a lot stronger than the soft Sanders.
The odds are about the same as for the Sanders fight.
Of course Wladimir is a far different fighter than he was 10 or 11 years ago.Posted May 4, 2013 1:31 pm
Pianeta, will surprise some people, he’s got pretty fast hands and he’s a southpaw, he will land some leather on Wald’s chin.Posted May 4, 2013 1:16 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
Now he’s fighting a pinata?Posted May 4, 2013 1:04 pm
2 points of correction Shredmondo!
C’mon guys Wlads fighting another ex sparring partner there’s not much intrigue.. When history asks “What’s Pianetas biggest credential” in Gods voice the answer will be “Wlads sparring partner…. Zzzzzzzzzzzz!! Snore!Posted May 4, 2013 12:49 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
* livePosted May 4, 2013 12:40 pm
Wlad will make 10 million… He doesn’t need PPV in America, where Boxing gets almost no press for international fights, for this very minor, uncompetitive fight. The fight is being televised in America and he gets a nice piece of that. Viewers won’t be charged PPV for the Mayweather fight in many parts of the world.
Ali’s fights with Shavers, Lyle, Evangelista, Coopman, Dunn, Spinks etc. appeared on free television… The Klitschkos have both fought PPV fights, and those are the bigger fights… I’m sure when Wladimir comes to the US to fight Jennings and Wilder, those will be PPV. I’m sure a fight with Fury would be PPV in England and Europe … maybe even here.Posted May 4, 2013 12:07 pm
I hope Chris “Nipples” Arreola was watching the weigh in. Maybe it will dawn on him he needs to train harder and come into fights in much better shape.Posted May 4, 2013 10:35 am
I rejected your ass facts guy. Now lets get the facts…………its a crap fight. The best heavyweight of this era is facing bums. Two three years ago he was facing better opponents but this fight is terriblePosted May 4, 2013 10:21 am
Im picking WK inside & rounds. No doubt another full arena. I travelled to from UK to see Wlad take on Ruslan Chagaev a few years back, fantastic place. The Germans can really put on a show too. Beer is allowed at the venues but no trouble at all. One amazing culture shock I saw was cafe’s on a monday morning seeing someone have a half pint before going to the office. If that was in Britain people would get carried away and go on a full bender more often than not. My next trip to Germany will be for Munich beer festival. Two places I want to go in a few years are Vegas and Macau.Posted May 4, 2013 9:02 am
C. licker , Nice , objective point of view . I wish more people took your sensible approach . Too many ” fans ” confuse ; unrealistic fantasies , and
RAy gordon reid
WLADIMIRPosted May 4, 2013 8:19 am
the facts guy
rod had a 3some with two men. sadly for him, neither was the klitschkos. they have rejected him and chosen their hot wives, which is why he is in every klit article running his mouth.Posted May 4, 2013 7:27 am
Thanks harry, took your advice and just had a wild 3some. NicePosted May 4, 2013 7:23 am
damn rod! BOXING IS HOLIDAY! I will have a free day and am happy that I got the opportunity to watch the Vladimir KlichKO fight plus he will provide another spectacular KTFO worth to watch and then the mayvazer fight even though I don’t like boring featherfisted runner floydie go another 12 rounder. LIFE IS GOOD MAN! buy good beer and receive pleasure!Posted May 4, 2013 6:22 am
Pianeta is better than any american bum heavyweight.Posted May 4, 2013 5:58 am
I predict wlad will get knocked down early………….just to make it look interesting and then brutally KO pianeta. It is a crap fight but wlad will do his best to make it look competitive.Posted May 4, 2013 5:55 am
hey shake btch! You r a cheap Lena Lewis fangirl. You know NOTHING about boxing. do you know how much losses clay and TYSON didn’t avenge you clown. are you trying to say that avenged losses are Lenas claim to fame?! your just a pathetic BRITARD. The only thing that matters is Lena Lewis retired like a cowardly btch. so, now your just plain jealous. just like your hero lioness Elena Lewis. LIKE BOXER LIKE FAN.Posted May 4, 2013 4:18 am
L L is the cowardly Lion who will never live down his retreat from boxing for fear of losing to Vitali in a rematch. That is the legacy that this “champion” has left behind. A role model he is not.Posted May 4, 2013 4:04 am
Look I was absolutely behind Vitaly, in the fight against Lewis, he started fantasticly, but even a Vitaly fan could see that Lewis was coming back with hardcore punches, and would have won the fight anyways.
This was an old Lennox Lewis, who had been talking retirement for some time, then. A prime Lewis, would be too much of a deal, for Vitaly.
WK beating Tyson before jail, with that chin, not in a million years.Posted May 4, 2013 3:59 am
jimmy the snake eater
the guy below me is a blind folded klit-fan who knows jack about boxing! klitschko never gave any opponent a rematch he tkoed so dont be a lousy hypocritePosted May 4, 2013 3:45 am
piano. mayvazer is much more boring plus he is not a knockout artist. Vladimir KlichKO is a KTFO machine. WHOLE EURASIA DOESN’T WATCH BORING MAYVAZER. THE BIGGEST CONTINENT DOESN’T WATCH BORING FEATHERFISTED RUNNER MAYVAZER. AND CASSY CLAY WAS ONE OF THE MOST BORING BOXERS EVER. KlichKOs – The best superheavyweights of all time. Lewis is number 3.Posted May 4, 2013 3:12 am
Lewis’s CV is clearly superior.Posted May 4, 2013 2:42 am
That’s true… Lewis wanted to use the title for another big payday or two.. When he found out he would have to face the rath of Vitali — he gave Vitali the title without a fight.. Nobody could even get ahead of Vitali by a round in any of his 47 fights, and he was never knocked down.. It was obvious who the best heavyweight was.. Kirk Johnson, never stopped before, went in 2.. Sanders got trashed and was pretty much finished as a fighter after the savage beating he took.
Peter gave Wladimir Hell… Vitali controlled him every second and stopped him very easily… Sanders and Puritty stopped Wladimir, Vitali put them away… There really wasn’t a question about the best heavyweight after Vitali came back from 4 years off, and with no tune-up fights, at 37, took the Heavyweight Title first time out, easy as pie.Posted May 4, 2013 2:02 am
People’s thoughts change all the time, the onus was not on Lennox to give a rematch. Sometimes you only get one shot at the title and that’s it. It is what it is. The fact that he beat a young hungry lion in his prime makes it an even better accomplishment. I respect Lewis for being one of the few guys that retired and ‘really’ retired. There are too many fighters go on for too long (Ali, Tyson, Roy Jones, Holyfield, Holmes, etc) he was one of the few to retire on top. It’s a great accomplishment.Posted May 4, 2013 1:54 am
Lennox was talking about ageing like fine wine and fightng on after vitaly. In fact lennox was trying to fight anyone not named klitschko and didn’t retire until the wbc forced the vitaly rematch or lennox was getting stripped. Lennox retired. Vitaly retired the standing champ cause that’s how intimidating vitaly isPosted May 4, 2013 1:38 am
Vitali gave his all but it still wasn’t enough against an aging Lewis.Posted May 4, 2013 1:26 am
Yep. Basically you remember what suits your argument and ignore what does not. He was talking of retiring before tyson. That is a fact. Tko6Posted May 4, 2013 1:24 am
Lewis got completely outboxed for the first 3 rounds then ripped vitali’s face to shiiiiiiiiiiit. Both men are great!!!Posted May 4, 2013 12:58 am
Ment to say yourdad is correctPosted May 4, 2013 12:34 am
Tark kicking some ass.Posted May 4, 2013 12:28 am
I may have Tarked my shorts after eating too much Taco Bell
Come up for air once in a while, idiotPosted May 3, 2013 11:49 pm
I may have Tarked my shorts after eating too much Taco Bell
That is some man-crush you have on the bros. Do they at least give you a reach-around?Posted May 3, 2013 11:46 pm
Pianeta will bring the HW crown to Calabria! They will be rocking in Reggio Saturday night!Posted May 3, 2013 11:39 pm
Lewis was talking of retirement long before TKo6. He stuck around for TysonPosted May 3, 2013 10:51 pm
Tark, exactlyPosted May 3, 2013 10:41 pm
loving the rewriting of history in this thread.
good one by mouligan how much has wlad done for UNESCO? Schools for kids etc.. no attention by the US media because he is white.Posted May 3, 2013 9:56 pm
And I would of liked to see it after Lewis had a proper training camp but Lewis retired because he didn’t have it anymore. So what, people retire all the time. We are always asking fighters to retire when they get to old and when one does we say he is running from another fighter or he is scared. Can’t have it both ways. I would much rather him retire than not to be able to give it his all.Posted May 3, 2013 9:49 pm
Klitschko by KO early!!!Posted May 3, 2013 9:21 pm
Right… When Vitali fought Lewis he HADN”T been training for a World Championship Fight, and Lewis HAD been training a World Championship Fight for months.
The 2nd thing is Vitali was leading on ALL scorecards when the fight was called.
The 3rd thing is Lewis fouled Vitali with impunity.. The cuts were slashed open with the palm and heel of Lewis’s right glove when he had Vitali in a headlock.. Lewis took such desperate measures in the 3rd round — because he lost the 1st two rounds and was almost knocked out in the 2nd.
The 4th thing is, with any other referee but Lou Moret the fight would have gone to the scorecards — because according to the rules you tally the scores if headbutts or illegal blows and tactics opened up the wounds that cause a stoppage.
The 5th thing is, the fans understood that Lewis was cheating and that Vitali should be the winner… They loudly booed Lewis and cheered Vitali, who was winning the fight at the time of stoppage.Posted May 3, 2013 9:07 pm
Should be a good one.Posted May 3, 2013 8:56 pm
Haters will poopy in their pants when Wlad TKO’s this guy, and then goes on to Pulev & Povetkin both this year, and continues on with HW Dominance.Posted May 3, 2013 8:38 pm
blue eye devil
Peej, you make it sound like Vitali had some kind of advantage going into the fight with Lewis. Lennox was the number one heavyweight in the world training to defend his title. Vitali was thrown in with this this great champion with only two weeks notice. I along with a lot of other fans would have loved to see how the fight would have went if Klitschko had a proper training camp to challenge for that title.Posted May 3, 2013 8:30 pm
Sure Wladimir suffered upset losses… So what??? Many World Champions suffered upsets in the 90’s—examples: Lewis-McCall…. Tyson-Douglas… Bowe-Mathis… Foreman-Morrison… Morrison-Bentt… Holyfield-Moorer… Moorer-Foreman… and Holyfield-Tyson… Now Holyfield-Tyson wasn’t an upset in my opinion—but it sure was in the opinion of all the experts and the betting public—who loved Mike despite the fact that Holyfield flattened Douglas—who trounced Tyson… Sometimes fans are irrational.
However—Vitali Klitschko went 27-0 in the 90’s… Don’t say, “If Vitali was around in the 1990’s.” He’s 41 years old. Of course he was around.
Vitali won a World Championship by smashing Herbie Hide out in 2 round… Hide easily destroyed the ridiculous Michael Bentt… Bentt crushed China-chinned Tommy Morrison in the 1st round… Morrison whipped George Foreman… Foreman KO’d MIchael Moorer… Moorer beat Holyfield… Holyfield KO’d Tyson… Tyson bombed out Larry Holmes… Holmes made a pathetic punch bag out of Muhammad Ali back in 1980.
So you see Vitali Klitschko is on the top of that food chain. VK knocked out 27 fighters in 27 fights in the 90’s and is still Heavyweight Champion in 2013 at the age of 41. His next opponent is a tough Canadian named Stiverne Bermane, who is 22-1-1 … and just brutalized Chris Arreola.Posted May 3, 2013 8:22 pm
We have no one remotely close to Wladimar and for that reason everyone is critical of them and live in the past. Brains,physique,speed,movement,power in either hand and too smart to lose the title by getting careless. Live with it as hes got two to five years left. Only ONE WL.Posted May 3, 2013 8:17 pm
Lewis did not run from Vitali. He beat Vitali and then retired. That’s not running that is retirement. If you don’t have it anymore then your done. And let’s not forget Lewis was out of shape and was training for Johnson not Vitali whom stepped in on 2 weeks notice.Posted May 3, 2013 7:33 pm
Of course the anti-Klitschko brigade will come roaring in and dig up losses that happened a decade ago. News to the brigade- THAT Wlad who suffered those setbacks was a completely different animal to the one we are presently witnessing. Sure you would tip Lewis over THAT version of Wlad (but still not with a huge degree of confidence with his punching power, accracy and hand speed), but THIS version of Wlad? No way for mePosted May 3, 2013 7:26 pm
Well said K2. I respect Lewis as a fighter but the man clearly ran from the logical rematch with Vitali. I believe it was even ordered by the WBC. For me I’d tip this present form of Wlad, with his unreal focus and concentration, as well as all his physical gifts and skill over ANY heavyweight in history-including his brother. I reckon Wlad would have actually blown Lewis away in short order since the two times Lewis got nailed, he didn’t get back up. Wlad at least ALWAYS gets back up. Any punches far harder than ANYONE Lewis ever facedPosted May 3, 2013 7:22 pm
What do you want the Klitchkos to do? They fight whomever is put in front of them. If there’s no real competition, what do you expect? They fight whomever will fight them. Yes, I would like to see them fight guys like Wilder and Fury, but what makes you think that they would want to fight the Klitchkos? They may say they want to fight them, but do they really?Posted May 3, 2013 7:17 pm
Drunken mothers ; Lewis over Wlad ? Because he had a BIGGER heart ?
I couldn’t agree more sad American, our best heavyweight may be Amir mansour who’s 40.Posted May 3, 2013 6:36 pm
I echo your thoughts sad American… A 40 year old ex con, Amir mansour may be our best heavyweightPosted May 3, 2013 6:34 pm
We have no one remotely close to Wladimar and for that reason everyone is critical of them and live in the past. Brains,physique,speed,movement,power in either hand and too smart to lose the title by getting careless. Live with it as hes got two to five years left.Posted May 3, 2013 6:08 pm
blah blqh blah live in the little guy American period…..wlad is a boxer and a punisher both and does it time and time again. Ali was a good light heavy or cruiser and apathetic shell of a human being compared to the klitschkos.Posted May 3, 2013 6:03 pm
I think Holyfield would eat the Wlad-jab all night long … no way he could winPosted May 3, 2013 5:59 pm
drunk drivers against mothers
@MK. Wlad would have no problem with either Tyson or Holyfield. Tyson would have been too small and he always had problems with taller fighters. He had never fought anyone close to Wlad’s size. Wlad would jab and grab till Tyson would be worn out and then get KO’d. Holyfield IMO was overated as a HW. Lewis I think could have beaten Wlad because the were very similar in size and I think Lewis had a bigger heart.Posted May 3, 2013 5:42 pm
Pianeta looks to be in good shape. I’ve not seen him much since the 08 Olympics but from what I recall he’s got decent skills and is an aggressive fighter. Should be a decent scrap while it lasts.Posted May 3, 2013 5:38 pm
zzzzzzPosted May 3, 2013 4:53 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan
Both guys seem to be in good shape. I want Wlad to win.Posted May 3, 2013 4:32 pm
Should be a good one. Wlad would be competitive in any era.Posted May 3, 2013 4:31 pm
ellipsis . . .Posted May 3, 2013 4:16 pm
wlad will still fight like he’s scared probablyPosted May 3, 2013 4:06 pm
” with the H/W division consisting of ; Tyson , Lewis , Hollyfield and other
Remember when the heavy weight division used to be exciting?Posted May 3, 2013 3:39 pm
wlad shouldnt get away with fighting crap like thisPosted May 3, 2013 3:19 pm
Pulev-Wlad 2013!Posted May 3, 2013 2:58 pm
With a HW division consisting of Tyson, Lewis, Holyfield, and other hardcore boxers, that period was clearly superior to present time.
I would go so far as to say that there is no world class HW, at this time. WK, Haye and Fury are either green or B class boxers.
Vitaly was great once, but you can’t expect a guy that old, to be world class.
You can’t grow a stronger chin, ask Khan, WK is lucky to be in a historical poor HW period. Tyson, before jail would eat him, Lewis would also Ko him, and Holyfield would headbut him until stoppage.
If the case is that WK is helping another boxer, economically, as mentioned in the earlier thread, I would say -cool of WK.Posted May 3, 2013 2:52 pm
… and Wlad meet nonePosted May 3, 2013 2:35 pm
Alonzo are you a cousin of TarK? At least the guys you mentioned are HOF waPosted May 3, 2013 2:34 pm
This guy is poor opposition, i’m a Klitschko fan and I usually cut both K-bros a break but not this time. Garbage opponent, sorry. At least Povetkin and Stiverne will be better opposition than this Italian guy who is the worst contender I have seen since Sosnowski.Posted May 3, 2013 2:31 pm
well i’m surprised Pianete looks good in that pic i remember him being fatass! he looks defined!Posted May 3, 2013 2:26 pm
Yeah I miss the golden age of boxing with such fights as: Holmes/Frank, Holmes/Zanon (an Italian), Holyfield/old Holmes, Holyfield/Bean, Ali/Blin, Ali/Dunn, Ali/Coopman.Posted May 3, 2013 2:19 pm
As great as the klitchkos are I’m tired of seeing them fight no real oppositionPosted May 3, 2013 2:05 pm
I thought the mormeck fight was badPosted May 3, 2013 1:46 pm
249 and 240 lbs. Heavyweights. Right.Posted May 3, 2013 1:37 pm