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Uglyosaurus (John Culver)

Pounds*. I’m sorry about all of the errors in my post but Eastside Boxing’s new message board system doesn’t work well with my internet connection.

Posted March 16, 2013 7:23 pm 

Uglyosaurus (John Culver)


Posted March 16, 2013 7:21 pm 

Uglyosaurus (John Culver)


Posted March 16, 2013 7:21 pm 

Uglyosaurus (John Culver)

I am the author of this article. It was totally Eastside Boxing’s decision not to show who the author is. I know there is no interest in a fight between Hopkins and Vargas NOW, but in the late 1990’s or aerly – mid 2000’s, I think it would have been a blockbuster. When were James Toney and Bernard scheduled to fight? That would’ve been a great fight but I don’t see how they could ever agree on a reasonable catchweight. When Bernard lost his first shot at a (vacant) world title to Roy Jones, Toney was at his absolute peak and he was in the top-five pound-for-pound rankins and Bernard was unknown. By the time Bernard had his huge win over Trinidad, I believe Toney was a cruiserweight. Remember, James Toney had weight issues going all the way back to his fight with Roy Jones. Toney weighed oer 200 ounds when he signed to fight Roy Jones at the super-middleweight limit of 168 pounds. At what point could Hopkins and Toney agree on a reasonable weight for both of them and have the fight be a commercial success? When Hopkins and Toney were both middleweights, Hopkins was unknown and when he captured his first middleweight (160-lb) title in 1995, Toney had been killing himself to make super-middleweight for the Roy Jones fight the previous year, in 1994. I think the super-middleweight (168-lb) fight between Toney and Jones was in 1994. Correct me if I’m mistaken.

Posted March 16, 2013 7:20 pm 

Exiled Yank

Hopkins Toney would have been a great fight, Two masters going at it. I don’t even think I can pick a winner.

Posted March 12, 2013 1:05 pm 

Exiled Yank

Hopkins Vargas in 2004 would have been okay, but look at how DLH stopped Vargas… Hopkins would have finished his career. Better for Vargas that they never met.

Posted March 12, 2013 1:03 pm 


Hopkins vs Toney was signed — but never happened… That was a much bigger fight, a real blockbuster… Hopkins vs Vargas was not interesting at all to me … not competitive.

Posted March 10, 2013 3:02 pm 


never heard of James Toney?

Posted March 10, 2013 12:20 pm 


I have to admit I didn’t see this one coming. But, I really don’t recall a good time when this fight would have been viable. After losing to DLH Vargas stayed pretty inactive and had back problems. He never retook his old form and therefore would have not been seen as a threat to BHop. Also, I get the feeling Vargas wouldn’t have really moved up unless he absolutely could not get down to 154. If he would’ve moved up, and shown some potential at 160 he could have probably made for an interesting fight with Hopkins, but nothing really that would change history. He should have never fought Mosley if making weight was killing him.

Posted March 9, 2013 8:40 pm 

Swedish Boxing Fan

stupid loser – True, true comrade :-) Fernando Vargas talked to much and failed to back up his talk. Bernard Hopkins woiuld have had/have an easy day against Vargas.

Posted March 9, 2013 8:02 pm 

Eleanore the Hag

I have plans to watch Vargas fight Donny LeLond next month in Siberia. WTF is this drivle all about?

Posted March 9, 2013 7:01 pm 


I disagree. The biggest fight that never happened (at the right time) was Hopkins vs Roy Jones Jr 2. It should have happened after Hopkins’ win over Trinidad. Jones clearly won the first fight but I think a rematch would have been closer, Hopkins had improved and was still young enough, and Jones wasn’t the shot fighter he would become later. It was never likely to happen though. Both fighters pick their opponents carefully (i.e. cautiously) and one or both would have had to budge over the weight class. This would have been a cracking fight no matter which way it went.

Sadly the same thing has happened with Pacquiao and Mayweather. Even if a fight were to happen now, I think at least one of them is past their best.

Posted March 9, 2013 6:59 pm 


I’ve been on ESB for at least 5 years now and the articles have always been hit or miss…but who ever is writing this crap must really be hurting for ideas…I read one the other day about how Paulie Malignaggi is no longer in his prime that was arguably as bad as this article was. I guess now that Pacquiao is sinking into irrelevancy and nobody is talking about him fighting Mayweather anymore, these writers are running out of things to say that would even merit a decent article.

Posted March 9, 2013 3:58 pm 


I must question whether many of these ESB writers actually follow boxing – I mean really follow it – When Vargas was in his prime, the potential was there for him to become a solid middleweight but I don’t recall anyone ever feeling that Hopkins-Vargas was a match that just had to be made

Posted March 9, 2013 2:56 pm 


Agree. This isn’t a fight anybody has ever talked about, even when people cared about Vargas. This is just an attempt to create another Jones-trinidad, except with two less popular fighters. Showtime wouldn’t buy it. HBO wouldn’t buy it. It would have to become one of those self-produced PPV debacles that sells 20,000 buys.

And as others have observed, the REAL answer to the question posed by the mysterious author is Toney

Posted March 9, 2013 2:25 pm 

Edgar Guevara

DLH and Vargas are trying to sell it to the public. This write up doesn’t have even a name. Who wrote it? Vargas won’t be able to sell a card next to his neighborhood. Vargas is done no one will pay to see a fight of his. Hopkins-Vargas dead end.

Posted March 9, 2013 1:06 pm 


There are only 5 comments so far for an article that was posted yesterday so that is a good indicator of how much of a chance in winning many would have given Vargas had he fought Hopkins

Posted March 9, 2013 12:34 pm 

stupid loser

Swedish Boxing Fan, I completely agree, Hopkins – Toney would have been the fight to see.
Hopkins – Vargas would have made big money back in the day and I would have enjoyed watching Hopkins destroy Vargas and his big mouth. Hard to see that fight made now. Watching Vargas get beat down by Trinidad and De La Hoya was a true highlight.

Posted March 9, 2013 9:46 am 

Swedish Boxing Fan

Good written article, but mentioning Fernando Vargas to have fought Bernard Hopkins? All I can say is = Hopkins would dominate Vargas. If Vargas was stoped by Felix Trinidad, Oscar De La Hoya (Both men was knocked out by Bernard Hopkins) and twice by “Sugar” Shane Mosley, I seriusly doubt Vargas has/had any decent chanse against Hopkins, little to even survive 12 rounds. I mean Hopkins never aims for knocking his opponents down any longer but he can hit well enough hard, specally with his right hand punch. No the only fight for Hopkins that should have been made was Bernard Hopkins vs. James Toney in a catch weight fight.

Posted March 9, 2013 5:56 am 


No, he’s fighting on the 9 March.

Posted March 8, 2013 10:43 pm 


2 seasoned and just way 2 tricky for Fernando!!

Posted March 8, 2013 8:22 pm 


LOL – Vargas was a tough hombre for sure BUT Hopkins was way way too seasoned for him when Vargas was at his peak!!

Posted March 8, 2013 8:18 pm 

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