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Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Yes, you did mention many of those same things; I just wanted to expand on them a little. I’m glad to hear that I was able to help brighten your dark day. Good points about the champs in nine divisions coming from the U.S. and Donaire actually being an American citizen. He was born in the Philippines, but has lived in California since he was like 11. I am familar with, but haven’t tried to post in their comment sections. Strange how you got shut out like that. I actually tried to reply hours ago, but the administrators on this thread have been giving me a hard time for some reason. And I’ve never had that problem on ESB.

Posted February 23, 2013 1:52 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Yes, you did mention many of the same things, I just wanted to expand on them a little more; hope you didn’t mind too much. I’m glad to hear that I was able to brighten your dark day a bit just by responding to your post. One thing I’ve learned after 5-6 years of reading artices on ESB and positng in the comment sections, is that many of more the objective, intelligent posts get ignored. Nobody ever accused boxers of being the sharpest tools in the shed and many boxing fans fall into the same category. I’ve come across some really bright posters in these threads who have a deep understanding of the sport, but they often get drowned out by droves of knuckleheads who thrive on rhetorical combat. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not above the insults. If someone attacks me or my opinions on a personal level, I’ll fire right back at them and do my best to destroy their crediblity and reputation. I’ll use my creativity and intellect to embarrass them in ways they’ve never heard before — and thoroughly enjoy every minute of it. If you want to get more responses on ESB, try directly attacking someone’s opinions you disagree with; if that doesn’t work, include some personal insults. I am familiar with, but haven’t spent much time in their comment sections. If you haven’t yet noticed, there’s a whole lot of smack-talking on ESB and personal rivalries that have been blazing for years. I know it sounds ridiculous, but it’s true. Now I’m off to watch the Peterson vs. Holt fight. Later on, man.

Posted February 22, 2013 10:26 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Continued: Few American kids these days grow up dreaming of becoming pro boxers, and many of our amateur programs have fallen into disarray. Shoot… kids can’t even find boxing on TV anymore unless their parents shell out money for premium cable channels and PPV. Most kids would be hard-pressed to find a boxing gym near their home, even if they are interested. Those who are lucky enough to live near gyms are often in urban, historic neighborhoods and even many of those gyms have become dilapidated. This problem is directly reflected in our amateur programs that are struggling to produce quality competitors for the U.S. Olympic Team. Meanwhile, countless kids throughout Eastern Europe, Mexico, Puerto Rico, Cuba and parts of Latin America are dreaming about becoming world champion boxers and training hard everyday. And the amateur programs in some of these countries are so deep with quality trainers & talent, that when their top fighters finally turn pro… they often outright embarrass inexperienced Americans. The explosion of the UFC has only exponentiated this problem, as there are now way more American kids who’d rather become pro MMA fighters than pro boxers. MMA gyms are now considerably more commonplace than boxing gyms, and the very best MMA fighters in the world come from Brazil and America. But the Eastern Euros have also been producing strong MMA fighters and seem to be making up ground – especially in Bellator. With the exception of Floyd Mayweather Jr., thank God for the deeply rooted Mexican-American and Puerto Rican-American boxing traditions that have done much to keep the sport alive and well. Most talent is at the lower weight-classes, but they’re still producing American pros on the global stage, battling for the titles.

Posted February 21, 2013 9:06 pm 


OK Whiteboyday, no problem. Boxing has gone downhill pretty far but that’s “progress”.

Posted February 20, 2013 8:47 am 


@Montero. I am not forgetting what you mentioned. Fury – Chisora was a fight at domestic level, and Scott-Glazkov isn’t erxactly top 10 material (maybe the winner can become one). And the others fighters you mention…as you write yourself they are talking about fighting eachother, but as of now have not done yet. And why did Adamek not fight Solis in the IBF eliminator as originally scheduled…as you say, because he (and probably Solis as well) hope to fight the winner of Stiverne-Arreola for the WBC belt rather then facing Wlad.

Posted February 20, 2013 5:24 am 


hey aficianado, i dont know a damn thing bout malik scott, why did u say he was negative? Just curious if the guy has done a bunch of dumb things or just been a douchebag or what

Posted February 20, 2013 3:23 am 


wlad-pulev 2013!!!

Posted February 20, 2013 3:10 am 


Ruffnight, earlier I had u pegged as a retarded monkey, I apologize.Yeah all the divisions that have ten different champs bothers me too but alot of that is the evil promoters not getting fights made that should be mandatory. I guess we will stay in disagreement with the HW division. Just because there are more of them doesnt mean much to me if they all suck. Maybe Im crazy or too biased but when I watch older hw fights they seem much more talented and on a higher level all around.

Posted February 19, 2013 11:19 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Montero: Yes, that’s a great point and I definitely agree with you. I’m an American and really want to see our HWs become competive again on the world stage, but I’m sick and tired of all the lame excuse making. We could get into a big discussion about the reasons behind the decline of HW boxing in the U.S. and the rise of it in Eastern Europe, but am not sure if anyone wants to explore that on this thread. Max Kellerman says that all the American HW talent is playing football in the NFL, and that we’d have to start pulling kids off the field and putting them in boxing gyms at 12-13 yrs old in order to identitfy, train and produce world champions. I have mixed thoughts on this issue, but one thing is for sure: most of the BIG money in the U.S. is in pro football, baseball, basketball and hockey, and very few HW boxers actually become world champions. This is why the simultaneous reign of the K bros has been so very special. We as true boxing fans should celebrate and enjoy it because this will NEVER happen again. It’s really a beatiful story about the strength of family and if you haven’t yet seen the 2012 HBO documentary “Klitschko” I highly recemmend it to all on ESB. Peace

Posted February 19, 2013 11:00 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Vyacheslav Glazkov finally rids us of Malik Scott, the most boring and negative American heavyweight since Ruiz. Hopefully by KTFO.

Posted February 19, 2013 8:57 pm 


Hey whiteboyday I was saying that the heavyweight division shouldn’t be singled out as the only weak weight division. Look at the others and why don’t the champs compete against each other to combine the titles so we don’t have 4 of them in each weight class. Also I disagree about these guys of today not being able to make it in another era because there are many more fighters now and therefore more competition. Look at some of the heavy contenders of the past eras and they’d be nowhere near the top ten today, understand whiteboyday(Whatever that name is suppose to mean?)

Posted February 19, 2013 8:09 pm 

boxing fan

Wladimir’s constant clinching and pushing wouldn’t have worked in the States. This way he was able to protect his weak chin with the help of the refs. His style is already as boring as it gets and the clinching makes it unbearable to watch. In fact I haven’t watched none of his fights live in several years if there was other fights in the same night.

Posted February 19, 2013 7:21 pm 


Unbiased Dane@ It’s Wladimir who doesn’t want to face Povetkin. It’s a mandatory and HE asked for a delay.

Posted February 19, 2013 7:00 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Heavyweight boxing is only dead in the minds of self-centered Americans who likely don’t have a passport and haven’t experiened international travel. Truth is that the U.S. can’t produce legitimate HW contenders to compete with the Klitschko Kings for their titles. But when you open your mind for a minute ahd look outside the box, it’s plain to see that HW boxing has never been more alive in Europe and throughout the rest of the world. What are you haters going to say when the Europeans are still dominated the HW division years, maybe even decades, after the K bros are retired? Are you still going to fall back on that same old B.S. line that HW boxing is dead? Better start dreaming up some new excuses, my brothas.

Posted February 19, 2013 6:09 pm 


The heavyweight division has been weak as hell because theres only two good fighters.The lack of competition is why its weak, and anyone who really knows boxing knows that most these heavyweights really are garbage, its not just because the K’s are so good. Most wouldnt of even made it in a different era facing consistantly better talent. Before som of you guys poo yourself Im not sayin anything bad bout the K’s, I know they would give any of the greats a hard time but the rest are bums wich equals weak division. Do you understand now Ruffnight

Posted February 19, 2013 5:38 pm 

Unbiased Dane

Mark : So ducking the champion twice doesnt mean for you that Povetkin has ruled him self out ? There isnt eny guarantee that Povetkin will not duck him again and then Wlad is in risk of wasting more time on this fool.

Posted February 19, 2013 5:37 pm 


Unbiased Dane@ yup, we should start ignoring Wlad who doesn’t want to fight Povetkin.

Posted February 19, 2013 5:23 pm 

Unbiased Dane

Why is it this era should have been weaker than others, oh of course its just a way those who are nationalist biased, and who is butthurt by the Klitschko´s domination to downtalk the Klitschko´s greatnes.
Sure we have a problem with the contenders not fighting each other, and earning them self a shot at the title. Which is mainly because of Wlads massive domination. A part of the solution would be for boxing fans to simply ignore fighters not willing to fight top opposition.

Posted February 19, 2013 5:01 pm 


You can’t just assume the next era will be stronger. Their have been multiple prospects that the Klitschko brothers beat down that would be considered a big prospect now too. Wlad easily handled Haye. And i think most people would agree that Haye would beat most of these “top young contenders” now.

Posted February 19, 2013 2:48 pm 


The same note continues among the Klitschko-tards..1)the opponents are too weak, 2)they are all afraid of the Klitschkos, 3)they are strong until they face the Klitschkos etc.etc..

1)they fought cruiserweights instead of Nikolai Valuev.
2)Many top fighters are calling the K’s, without a response.
3)who are u referring to? Mormeck? Wack?

Posted February 19, 2013 2:34 pm 


the days when all top ten contenders were dangerous are over, now there’s only two maybe three real contenders per division, fighters are no longer hungry and in top physical condition, ready to go the distance if necessary,,,, especially hvwts, the only hvwts in fighting condition other than the K’s are cruisers that have moved up…hope these up and comers can bring life to the division by being more disciplined.

Posted February 19, 2013 1:52 pm 

E in Denver

The K-Bros retirement actually weakens the division. But there will be parity which is something the divisions hasn’t had for almost a decade. The constant mismatches in the sport don’t make for entertaining fights. Not to mention Wlad takes 6 rounds to throw a cross. It isn’t the K-Bros fault that they are bigger, better, smarter than their contemporaries. But in Wlad’s case, could demonstrate his dominance by putting his over-matched opponents out of their misery quicker.

Posted February 19, 2013 1:44 pm 


I don’t see where all of the other divisions are all that strong really. The Heavyweight division is the only one with just two real champs with the wbc, wba, ibf and ,,wbo. Plus there would only be one if the titleists weren’t brothers most likely. I’m not including Povetkin (Is he still around as a sub-champ?) Sorry I think of all the rest Garcia has two.
Can’t these champs of their “strong divisions” unify the titles?

Posted February 19, 2013 1:22 pm 

Johnny Fast

Wlad couldn’t rule over a stronger division, period. Both of the brothers are fortunate their era is probably the weakest in history. Hopefully a new era can bring back the days of old when a heavyweight fight was something most all sports fans would look forward to, they were real events that drew large crowds the world over.

Posted February 19, 2013 1:21 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Max has the beat…

Posted February 19, 2013 1:17 pm 

K- 2 Fan

Let me get this straight ; according to the writer and some comentators , the division is
” weak ” because the Klitchkos beat EVERYBODY and cleaned out the division , so conversely once they retire , the division will be ” strong ” once more . Now there is
real , iron – clad logic !

Posted February 19, 2013 12:40 pm 

Mick the Marmalizer

Scotland’s Gary Cornish could make a few waves if his management ever let him fight outside of the UK!

Posted February 19, 2013 11:55 am 


The author says: “One could argue that the years following Lennox Lewis’ retirement were an average era, with quality fighters like Chris Byrd, Lamon Brewster, Hasim Rahman, Andrew Golota” …… well apart from Chris Byrd, that is a terribly poor list of contenders. The recent heavyweight era has been poor except for the two K-brothers who are extremely good. The division is looking up though as we have a good group of decent, young and promising contenders. It has been long over-due.

Posted February 19, 2013 10:28 am 


There some guys up and coming and should be good. Its not all down to guys avoiding the k bros. If wlad or vitali wanted better opposition they could get it.

Posted February 19, 2013 10:00 am 


Klitschkos are merely businessmen and they are the most boring heavyweights of all time.

Posted February 19, 2013 9:15 am 


How funny, the author predict that just when the Klitschko´s has both retired the division would be strong again :-D

Posted February 19, 2013 9:07 am 


Finally some real prospects… who are mainly unwilling to fight eachother and who seem to be mainly waiting for Vitali to retire and go after the WBC rather then fight Wlad. That’s at least the impression I have. Pulev seems to be the exeption

Posted February 19, 2013 8:39 am 


The amount of spelling errors on this site is getting ridiculous. “an empathic win over Thompson”? A lovely thought though I doubt Price has much room for empathy in the boxing ring. Surely an emphatic win would make more of a statement.

Posted February 19, 2013 6:27 am 

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