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Me, I think Wlad is more dangerous than Vitali. Vitali slowly crushes people, Wlad takes them out cleanly. Wlads punches are technically cleaner and are designed to end fights in one punch KO’s whereas Vitalis are often shortened, more “arm” punches that slowly break people down.

Posted November 10, 2012 6:04 pm 


Epix broadcast has started. dan rafael just said wlads one of the best of all time and has been beating up quality opponents. wachs coach said vitaly was a real fighter and more dangerous than wlad so they targeted wlad. wach’s coach just gave tons of praise to vitaly.

Posted November 10, 2012 5:48 pm 


Bears for the record contradicting Vivek Wallace is not a massive sin, he’s a good writer but his influence in the sport is not massive or extraordinary… You are reaching and the only reason you reference him is that you would take a testimonial from Daffy Duck as it pertains to the Klits…Stop being desperate, its unbecoming even a nutcase like yourself…

Posted November 10, 2012 3:05 pm 


Bears, really proves the futility and sadness of his “Vitali is the Greatest” argument by continuing to cite “Vivek Wallace”…. Wallace is an ESB boxing scribe that is not even that active on the site anymore that I can see… Is that the BEST you can do Bears?? We know Rafael regards them well as fighters and thats completely logical, that said Klits last fight against Charr barely got mention and Rafael was saying this might be the last sight of Klits in the ring “END OF STORY” there was no parade or montage because Vitali is NOT the premier HW of this ERA and today, his brother earned that by a decent margin thus your claim is a JOKE… You cannot be the “BEST EVER” if you are not even the best during your own time… LMAO!

Posted November 10, 2012 3:02 pm 


we have a new day and the klitschKOs still have shmuck redmond in shackles and chains. Vitaly has only lost by injury vitaly has never been loosing. Vitaly is the goat. Many people know this u even have east side contributors like vivek wallace saying it. Shmuck redmond can contradict roach rafael and vivek all he wants but redmonds a shmuck so it doesn’t matter. Shux dontmatter. The shmuck is owned by the klitschkos. He has their name in his mouth and in his brain daily. That’s called owned. YOUR OWNED SHMUCH REDMOND. sad pathetic existence. shmuck redmond’s mom calls him “son, what you are you doing? you never come out of the house anymiore. You spend your waking hours repeating the same thing everyday bashing the klitschKO brothers on their own articles. you need help son. your functioning has been effected. your father is very concerned. You havent had a woman in your life since you got on that east side boxing website. where considering having you admitted” shmuck redmonds reply: “but mom this is my crusade. my campaign against the white devil. If i do this daily i may convince 10 or 15 people of what im saying. It’s totally worth all my time and sacrifices. I would gladly give my life to see people hate the klitschKOs like i do.” BAHAHAHAHAHAHH

Posted November 10, 2012 1:46 pm 


I can’t wait for this fight today!

Posted November 10, 2012 1:03 pm 


Tark, why did you only stop at rewriting history for the Lewis loss? Why not the Byrd loss after all Vitali said he was hurt??? In fact why not lobby to have the rounds he may have lost overturned due to his excuses…. :)

Posted November 10, 2012 7:47 am 


Tark, has rewritten the record books and in his pea brain given Lewis 4 losses and Vitali 1…??? Wanna talk about biased and revisionist?? Thankfully internet bozos like Tark are NOT allowed to alter history in order to suit their emotional landscape, the guy wants to ding Lewis for seeking to take advantage of the advantage he gave himself with that right hand in round 3… Lewis was supposed to try and blow Vitalis eye out his head if need be to win… Cotto went after Margos eye with a vengeance during their second bout because he knew Pac Man had damaged it…The word “Gentleman” and “Boxing” don’t necessarily belong in the same Universe… This is a MEAN sport, ask Vitali he threw a kick while Lewis tried to help him up in the 4th round… But of course since it was Vitali thats “class” SMH

Posted November 10, 2012 7:46 am 


Lewis did NOT come within a countrymile of being DQ’ed LOL…. For what?? Punching Klitschko in the face…. I know Bears and Tark are STILL 10 years later trying to find an avenue to victory for Vitali BUT none exists… The man had an older, sloppy ATG in front of him and he did not have what it takes to win when the opportunity was presented…One of Vitalis greatest strengths was his weakness that night… He requires ORDER in the ring and is not a guy to slug or dogfight well…. He did not have a guy there who could not make contact with his face, or was so physically outgunned he just accepted his fate, at jabs for 8 or 10 rounds then absorbed the TKO… He was in with a historically GREAT puncher who despite showing bad form was able to take Vitalis arm punches and deliver much more damaging shots…

Posted November 10, 2012 7:39 am 


This fight exists in 2 contexts, the perception of Klits before he fought Lewis and the perception of him AFTER….Not much was expected when Vitali fought Lewis, he was a late replacement, he was lightly regarded and he was dubbed a QUITTER… In that regard he did better than expected for as long as he was able to last… But when the Lewis fight is pegged against Vitalis historical performances against lessor boxers he was STRUGGLING with Lewis…..!!!! When have we EVER seen Klits so beat up after a fighter and YES he was beat up to the face from multiple hard shots…. We have seen him pretty much go unscathed over the course of 8-10 rounds many times but in 6 with Lewis he needed a surgeon to regain his physical health?? If you think Vitalis “All that” then you need to revisit expectations of what a fight with Lewis should have looked like..

Posted November 10, 2012 7:34 am 


Bears says ” I need to watch it again”….. For Gods sake the fight is 10 years old and it was ONLY 6 rounds either you saw it or you didn’t??? Either you have an opinion (Mitt Romney) or you don’t….????? The notion that Klits was dominating Lewis for the duration of that short bout has to be one of the saddest jokes going around this message board…The ONLY round he won “Big” was round 2…. We have seen BOTH guys dominate other fighters and they walked away with CLEAR victories… If you think that Vitali was doing to Lewis what Wlad was doing to Brewster before Lamon caught up to him then you are simply in SEVERE denial… There was alot of give and take, and the amount of damage caused by Lewis easily and directly attributed to hard right hands and jabs

Posted November 10, 2012 7:24 am 


It`s cool if you want to see it the other way. I don`t slate Vitali for the Lewis fight – it doesn`t diminish him in my eyes, it raised him. He showed he could mix it with an ATG, and be outboxing them, and take incredible punches and still come strolling back in for more. He didn`t get outwilled. He didn`t get outskilled. But, he didn`t win, so I can`t be putting him over Lewis. Career-wise, and in terms of their respective peaks, I am now putting Wlad over VK too.

Posted November 10, 2012 3:48 am 


The ref lou moret ma have warnd or said something I will have 2 watch again. I’m more with tark on this. U can see it was the wrist rake/lace job and the blood spurted out of he bad cut that was created in the process. The sky sports video even shows a close up

Posted November 10, 2012 3:32 am 


I don`t buy that laces thing, you can see the punch that opens the cut at the start of round 3. If the cut gets rubbed at various point later – well, I just shrug. It`s heavyweight title fighting – its a contact sport – you aren`t going to specifically avoid it, you will target it. Lewis isn`t a gentleman no matter how he sometimes tries to paint it – Steward said there is a lot of thug in Lewis, and I won`t deny that is what got him trhough certain fights. IT showed when he targetted Mason’s eye knowing he had a detached retina previously. I think there is more of a case for dq in the Grant fight – there was clear holding and hitting for the uppercut, and had that been the punch that intitially put him in trouble I think there would have been more repercussions, than where it actually appeared in the fight which was with Grant well on his way out of there. How bad does a foul need to be for a DQ – we can go though a ton of fights and find times people have been docked a point and gone on to win where you might say – that was a fight-turner, they should be disqualified. The sneaky low blow, rabbit punching, feigning injury, leading with the head, an elbow following a hook, the punch on the bell, sneaking one in when the ref hasn`t said stop, it happens all the time, and some guys make a speciality out of living on the edge of the rules. Lewis travelled closer to the edge of those rules than Vitali throughout his career, but the ref is the guy in there to deal with this stuff, and in LL-VK he didn`t even hand a warning out to Lewis, and I don`t think that was due to corruption, it was because he didn`t see anything worth a caution.

Posted November 10, 2012 3:26 am 


Vitali won the Lewis fight… I don’t care what the record book says.. Those deep jagged cuts were was caused by holding and cuffing with the laces.. In that case you go to the scorecards and Lewis was ahead on all scorecards so he won… Lewis also lost the Michael Grant fight.. The blow that ended the fight was a foul blow and Lewis should have been DQ’d.. In reality Lewis shoujld have 4 losses and Vitali should have 1 loss to Byrd if the record book was accurate and you had honest officials … I suppose you’ll tell me that all boxing officials are honest and every decision is justified.. Sred says Lewis blew a hole in Vitali’s face.. There were no holes… There were deep, jagged, slashed open cuts.

Posted November 10, 2012 2:58 am 


If it got stopped for a dq vitaly won. If the dr would’ve stopped it, it would’ve gone to the cards and vitaly would’ve won. I think people would expect a cut like that the fight to be stopped right after it happened

Posted November 10, 2012 2:39 am 


I think we can agree on the act the vitaly klitschko vs lennox fight could’ve been stopped in round 3 for at least two reasons. A foul that caused a bad injury. And the the cut itself was bad enough to stop the fight and which would’ve gone to the cards. That’s subjective and I believehas a great deal of merit

Posted November 10, 2012 1:50 am 


Didn`t whoop them in the “making it to the last round phase though.
It`s not like we are even arguing about something subjective like a dodgy decision. He couldn`t finish the fights.

Posted November 10, 2012 1:45 am 


Vitaly wooped lennox in every phase of the game and bryd too

Posted November 10, 2012 1:33 am 


It`s a combat sport, everyone to some degree loses a fight because of the injuries inflicted on them by their opponent – sometimes it is a concussion, sometimes a broken nose, sometimes horrific cuts, or broken ribs, and sometimes because you throw everything you have at them, don`t stop them but injure yourself in the process. I wouldn`t use an injury to denigrate Vitali or whoevers skills, but they knew the date of the fight,. they trained for months to be physcially capable of going 12 rounds and then their opponnt stopped them doing that. That’s a loss.

Posted November 10, 2012 1:22 am 


Apparently sredmond has to come on to klitschko threads and repeat himself every day help convince himself of what he says. Sredmond is an utterly owned shmuck. What a terrible existence. Lol

Posted November 10, 2012 1:14 am 


You don’t have to be “losing” in order to LOSE…. Thats the great thing about boxing get knocked out in the 12 up 11-0 and you LOSE…. Klits could not close out vs the BEST fighter he fought (not even close) and Byrd stayed in the game till he QUIT with a sore arm…NET result LOSSES!! Greatest??? Vitali is gonna be pretty quickly forgotten in the US when its over… Dude NEVER beat a fighter worth spending more than 2 mins to talk about, BUT he did take 60 stitches from a GREAT boxer…

Posted November 10, 2012 12:52 am 


Vitaly has only lost by injury vitaly has never been loosing. Vitaly is the goat. Many people know this u even have east side contributors like vivek wallace saying it. Shmuck redmond can contradict roach rafael and vivek all he wants but redmonds a shmuck so it doesn’t matter. Shux dontmatter. The shmuck is owned by the klitschkos. He has their name in his mouth and in his brain daily. That’s called owned

Posted November 10, 2012 12:41 am 


Vitali dominated Byrd and Lewis by QUITTING against one and getting bludgeoned and TKOed by the other… What a terrible misuse of the word “domination” Klits ain’t a closer when there is a true World Class opponent in the ring….

Posted November 10, 2012 12:38 am 


Vitaly dominated byrd, vitaly dominated lennox. The only guy on east side glorifying a win by cut is sredmond. Lol

Posted November 10, 2012 12:31 am 


Great fighters don’t let another boxer blow holes in their face and then get pulled out of the bout by the 6th round… Lets face facts after round 3 Vitali needed a KO or TKO he was not going 12 rounds with that eye, and act of “Greatness” would have been knocking Lewis out, INSTEAD Klitschko had to settle for an act of bravery which was continuing to take punishment on that eye, when the rap on him was that he was a quitter…

Posted November 9, 2012 11:14 pm 


Yeah Bears we heard it all he got “Dog Walked” problem was the dog damn near bit his face off… Last round scored unanimously for Lennox Lewis and the biggest, most telling shots landed in rounds 5 and 6 were those world famous uppercuts…. Compubox could not bail Vitali out and neither could his arm punches which have been effective on B and C level competition… After round 3 it was going downhill for Klits and thats why he has that “L” on his record

Posted November 9, 2012 11:11 pm 


If only he had been fighting Herbie Hide..

Posted November 9, 2012 10:41 pm 


Then Lewis won..

Posted November 9, 2012 10:29 pm 


Lewis got outlanded every round and dogwalked in the last two. The rounds don’t look that good for lennox at any point in the fight. Not only does lennox get clean sheeted in landed shots department every round by vitaly. 66% of it was done with one eye. To do this to lennox was bad enough, to do it with one eye, a display of greatness

Posted November 9, 2012 10:20 pm 


“They’re big supporters of Obama and congratulated him on his overwhelmingly crushing victory over Romney in the electoral vote totals.”


Posted November 9, 2012 10:08 pm 


“Brown people” .. Ouch!

Posted November 9, 2012 9:55 pm 


Vitali is a politician and may bring a delegation from Ukraine over to meet with Barack Obama at some point in the next four years. He and Wladimir have wide ranging interests outside of Boxing and realize racism, poverty, economic and environmental degradation have to be addressed by people of mental and monetary means who can provide global solutions. They’re big supporters of Obama and congratulated him on his overwhelmingly crushing victory over Romney in the electoral vote totals.

Posted November 9, 2012 8:58 pm 


If these communities “struggle with poverty” then how are they able and willing to support boxing?? AGAIN why are the affluent Whites uninterested in a couple of affluent Whites with PHD’s, good manners and HW belts?? EXCUSES for lack of popularity..

Posted November 9, 2012 6:34 pm 


Really, so know you insinuate that African Americans don’t have use of the internet or they don’t know how to??? If they cannot use the internet then how do they have time and money to pay $69 for PPV and singlehandedly support an entire sport, while colluding to exclude the Klitschkos? This sounds VERY organized yet you doubt they have technical know how?? Such foolishness is easily debunked…

Posted November 9, 2012 6:30 pm 


If “Brown people” are most of the boxing fanbase then why are MORE of the ESB posters NOT self identifying as “Brown” or some derivation?? Reality is that there are MILLIONS of White boxing fans who support Mayweather, Pac, Cotto and the rest but they don’t wanna watch these DUD HW’s….. Bring another exciting Mike Tyson types and you will see people tune into HW boxing in the US….Dangerous, Aggressive and Destructive….

Posted November 9, 2012 5:54 pm 


HaHaHa, there exists NO proof of exactly who buys Floyd Mayweathers PPV’s the guy did 1.5 million buys last time out…. They would have an easier time counting the state of Floridas ballots… LOL Besides why in a country with 200 million Whites are they cruelly boycotting the Klits??? Cannot scare up a measly 500k Whites who love the Klits?? hmmmmmmmmm Sounds like BS to me

Posted November 9, 2012 5:19 pm 


Urinal17.,, “googel it. u will find plenty on it… Derp.”

Posted November 9, 2012 5:15 pm 



Posted November 9, 2012 5:12 pm 


Yeah the future of boxing is Epix!! LMAO one Mayweather fight generates more revenue than Epix could in 3 years… What a fool

Posted November 9, 2012 5:08 pm 


Bears, try and change your verbiage if you are going to change your name…Its obvious that its you “Una17” Seriously man you are the next level of dumb…

Posted November 9, 2012 5:06 pm 


And Price is awesome coz he is big and knocked out Harrison.

Posted November 9, 2012 4:59 pm 


Lol.. The heavyweight division is great because nobody that subscribes to EPIX wants to watch Flyweights… Lol.

Posted November 9, 2012 4:54 pm 


Goosey, why are you countering Tarks delusion that Lewis spent the whole night doing Vitali dirty, meanwhile Klits tried to kick a man who was helping him off the ground in the 4th round I believe…These nutcases LOL

Posted November 9, 2012 4:52 pm 


Depends how you define a hot division. I`d say Heavyweight is wide but shallow at the moment, not deep. It`s shown by the way that someone can go from out on the edge to title contention with wins over Fields and Gaverne, or having a win no better than Travis Walker/Brian Minto etc. You have to see something special in contenders to start getting excited about them, and then subsequently salute the champ for putting them away. Pulev has beaten 2 very respectable names, and the buzz is building for him, not so much as if he were a devastating puncher, but he is going too be a handful for anyone – and when he fights Wlad, I think it will be a nice fight. Price if he can continue to show his form as the opposition leel goes up is going to be viable because he is solid technically and carries brutal power. Helenius had some buzz because of Brewster, LIakhovivh, Peter – great names, if somewhat removed from their best, but if Helenius can take out a top 10 name in style, I`ll be getting interested. The problem for the division currently is the number of prospects being touted, holding an O, who have never, and show little intention of even going past the journey/lower level gatekeeper stage because frankly they are just queuing up for K-Bros to retire.

Posted November 9, 2012 4:40 pm 


Tark when is the LAST time that Wlad and Vitali have been featured on HBO? Vitali was last seen fighting as a prequel to Ward/Dawson against Charr…. If HBO had to rely on HW boxing to build its revenue they would punt the whole damn division…. Mayweather, Pac and Cotto bring in the cheddar…

Posted November 9, 2012 4:16 pm 


There have been quite a few Heavyweight fights on Showtime and HBO… Mitchell, Jennings, Vitali, Wladimir, Arreola, etc have appeared… It’s a hot division with exciting contenders calling out the Klitschkos and the public waiting anxiously for guys like Haye, Price, and Pulev to fight again… A lot of the top guys aren’t Americans, because the division is more globally diverse.. But just look at the response on Boxing websites like ESB—because no other weight divsion pulls as many stories or comments worldwide….

Posted November 9, 2012 4:09 pm 


Tark. “If that’s (HW) a weak division how about the flyweight division??? Who’s making headlines and dominating EPIX in that division???”

Lol… You are clutching at straws big time here Tark.

Posted November 9, 2012 4:03 pm 


Tark, did you REALLY try to sell Price capping Harrison as a big deal??? How much respect was OLD Audley getting after David Haye destroyed him…. Dudes been done fool!!

Posted November 9, 2012 3:55 pm 


….. “Vitali compromised by those uppercuts” WTF??? There was ONE (1) big uppercut that was a blockbuster punch.. Lewis failed to follow up the punch well and seemed to be flailing most of the time.. At the end of the round Lewis unloaded a left hook several seconds after the bell rang ending the round.. Lewis was fouling and cheating in desperate fashion.. He could have been DQ’d right there if that left hook landed well.

Posted November 9, 2012 3:54 pm 


Tark its funny that you mention Haye vs Chisora as one of the marquis fights of the ERA… For all the “sacking” of the Klits you don’t mention one of their epic battles as proof of a strong ERA….Pretty odd Tark, Pretty ODD

Posted November 9, 2012 3:52 pm 


Tark, the HW’s dominate Epix because they CANNOT dominate HBO or Showtime… What young fighter sets the pinnacle of his success as fighting on EPIX??? The division is KNOWN to be weak, you can reel off all the names you want but you don’t have the battles, vetting or skills to support your contentions…

Posted November 9, 2012 3:47 pm 


TARK.. “Vitali was never smashed to the canvas or KTFO like Lewis was twice…no matter how much you want to pretend.”

TARK.. “ANY heavyweight who punches as hard as Grant has a chance to beat ANYBODY even if it’s 1 chance in a 1000.”


Posted November 9, 2012 3:45 pm 

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Tark, in answer to your question the ONLY reason you would propose that Vitali had a “better chin” is because he got hit with the BIGGER punches…FACT is that Lewis did FAR more damage with fewer punches… Absent that 2nd round he was never buzzed again and walked Vitali down, loading up and causing obvious, and painful damage that required surgery and months of healing….

Posted November 9, 2012 3:44 pm 


Heavyweight Division weak??? America has the best young heavyweights we’ve seen in years in Seth Mitchell, Deontay Wilder, Bryant Jennings, and Joe Hanks.. Kubrat Pulev is wasting Ustinov and Dimitrenko.. David Price retired Olympic Gold Medalist Audley Harrison in the first round—getting Audley going with a right that was a jab, not a power blow. David Haye dominating and smashing out Dereck Chisora without taking a deep breath—DC is a guy never dropped before, who easily went the distance with gigantic heavyweights Fury, Helenius, and Vitali.. If that’s a weak division how about the flyweight division??? Who’s making headlines and dominating EPIX in that division??? — or at cruiserweight??? The heavyweight division is definitely one of the hottest divisions in Boxing right now. And the K’s pulled some of the biggest box office fights of all time.

Posted November 9, 2012 3:43 pm 


Vitali was hurt BAD….. 60 stitches in your face constitutes HURT and hanging on as those right hands bounced off his head in the 6th told the story….Klits pitty pat shots did nothing but make Lewis mad and drove him to open him up in the 3rd round

Posted November 9, 2012 3:37 pm 


TARK “Who do you think had the better chin VK or LL??? …That will tell you who had the better chance of landing a KO blow if the fight continued.”

Yup because having a better chin stops the other guy from being able to hit you with HUGE uppercuts that almost send your head into Outer Space…

Posted November 9, 2012 3:36 pm 


Sorry Tarkster the world saw Lewis crack Vitalis face and they were repulsed by the results while the Dr was happy to get paid for the surgery… You can try and pass off 4-2 as a massive lead but its simply not, especially as Klitschko became more and more of a sitting duck…. Bleeding badly and being compromised by those uppercuts…. The rightful result was appropriated by the fates….. Lewis TKO 6th round!

Posted November 9, 2012 3:35 pm 


Vitali never got “bludgeoned” in his life—he got slashed with laces… Sred what a liar you are. Vitali was never smashed to the canvas or KTFO like Lewis was twice…no matter how much you want to pretend, VK was badly cut by foul tactics but not down or hurt, and ready to continue the fight … Who do you think had the better chin VK or LL??? …That will tell you who had the better chance of landing a KO blow if the fight continued..

To win a decision Lewis would have had to win 5 of 6 of the remaining rounds while Vitali just needed to split the remaining rounds.

Posted November 9, 2012 3:23 pm 


Bears YOU know full well why the division is considered weak and you have spoken on it… Contenders NOT fighting eachother, serial duckers like Povetkin… The story is old and clear… This is why we have Wlad fighting shot fighters like Mormeck and Thompson II, nobodies like Wach…. And Vitali squaring off against guys like Charr for Gods sake

Posted November 9, 2012 3:22 pm 


Bears, the Klits were fighting during 2000 so why are you NOT trying include them in the mix of the time?? REALITY is that because the division was strong the Klits were largely irrelevant like I said Vitali was QUITTING and Wlad was just getting the WBO belt… You can try an divorce the Klits from that time but there were around… Of course Wladdy was almost out of boxing after Sanders and Brewster put the spank on him in 2003 and 2004….There is a REASON there has not been a HW classic or true Superfight since Lewis and Co retired…. Reality is the pool of talent has been SHALLOW outside the Klits and we know their well worn excuses for not facing eachother….

Posted November 9, 2012 3:14 pm 


In 2000 the division was not the issue? Why was the division so great and as of 2002 so bad in ue eyes red? Because the klitschkos have dominated since that time? Lol what a shmuck

Posted November 9, 2012 3:08 pm 


Tark, face it Vitali and Grant were a couple of guys who had some assets but were not able to win when they faced a BIG HW fighter who was more skilled… Lewis was at the end as a boxer and Vitali at his best absorbed the WORST physical beating of his life facing Lewis, If I am lying please present me with another bout where Klits getting his head damn near blown off by uppercuts is the highlight reel?? Or one where he bleed like a virgin getting piped by “John Holmes”….. Two guys 6″7, who needed Tark to try and dig them out of the hole YEARS later via a web browser :)

Posted November 9, 2012 2:56 pm 


Tark says “Grant might have landed one of those ERRANT Haymakers” by definition something that is “ERRANT” misses the target dummy and reality is that Grant did NOT and instead Lewis precise shots broke him down…Sorry Tarkster I don’t accept you as a de facto referee… Your argument amounts to “Grant might have knocked out Lewis, if ONLY that bad man Lennox had NOT knocked him out first”……… Seriously a POOR argument man…

Posted November 9, 2012 2:49 pm 


Tark, Lewis stopped Grant in 2000 and the division was not the issue the Klits were simply not stable… What was Vitali up to in 2000??? Oh he was QUITTING against a former LHW fighter (Byrd)…. He would get bludgeoned by Lewis 3 or so years later and Wlad was getting knocked out till 2004…THEN Vitali took off 4 years so how long did poor Grant have to wait before the Klits had their acts together…. Grant was getting longer in the tooth, Lewis capped him in his prime, just like he bashed in Vitalis face while he was in HIS prime…

Posted November 9, 2012 2:47 pm 


Sred…. You lie your ass off and put words in my mouth… ANY heavyweight who punches as hard as Grant has a chance to beat ANYBODY even if it’s 1 chance in a 1000… If the corrupt referee didn’t allow Lewis to foul Grant repeatedly, Grant might have landed one of those errant haymakers and knocked Lewis TFO—like underdogs Rahman and McCall laid Lewis out like a cheap suit … But it’s hard to knock somebody dead after you’ve been egregiously fouled and knocked stiff with a foul punch … Lewis was one cheating SOB.. Even a guy like Grant, who had little chance because he was so big, inept, and slow, got cheated by the dirtiest Heavyweight Champion of all time.

Posted November 9, 2012 2:42 pm 


My point wasn’t that Grant wasn’t highly ranked… My point was, the heavyweight division was so weak when Lewis was 34 that the super slow and awkward Grant was so highly ranked… Three years later—as the heavyweight division heated up—Michael Grant COULD NOT HANG with the faster and more skilled McCline’s and Guinn’s comng up in the division — Not that Guinn and McCline were ATG heavyweights—they couldn’t hang with the strengthening division either … not as the K Bros entered the scene and started ratcheting up the comp.

Posted November 9, 2012 2:24 pm 


Bears, the ONLY thing you and I might agree on is the name of this planet and I reserve judgement on that pending you stating where EXACTLY we reside.. LOL

Posted November 9, 2012 2:21 pm 


Tark, at least pretend you know boxing, how finished was Golota when Brewster knocked him out?? He was coming off a loss to Ruiz and everyone knew he was never going to be mentally stable enough to compete at a solid level…. C’mon man… Grant got him when there was still some meat on that bone….

Posted November 9, 2012 2:20 pm 


shmuck redmond has again confirmed he doesnt “agree” lennox cheated in the grant fight. LOl. again zero integrity

Posted November 9, 2012 2:17 pm 


Tark, Grant knocked Golota OUT in the 10th round but he struggled, then you say “he (Grant) might have beat Lewis if only Lennox had knocked him out in the 3rd round????? I am sure this will seem PERFECTLY logical to the likes of Bears or K2 but this sort of analysis brands you a boxing heretic and complete loon….Lewis QUICKLY dispelled any notions that Grant could compete and trips to the canvas and a BAD loss were his reward for tangling with the Lion… Just like Vitalis reward was 60 stitches in his mug and a career tightly associated with a loss….

Posted November 9, 2012 2:16 pm 

K-2 Fan

Poor , silly Uncle Remus ( aka Sredmond ) , he is so transparent !
He hates the Klitchkos so much , that he fells he must detract even form their competition ! In this case , he can’t say that the Brothers
only fight midgets and bums , becuase Wach is bigger than Wlad , and he can’t say he’s a bum , because he has what , thirty fights , so he must
be able to fight a little , yet he still wants us to believe that
Wlad is scraping the bottom of the barrel , so that when the inevitable comes , he’ll be able to cover his ass by saying ; see I told you so ;
the guy is a bum ! While Wach may not be great , but he IS undefeated in some 30 fights and he is big ! So , if you don’t like it Uncle Remus
don’t watch it , I’m certain the world will survive without your opinion !

competition ” ; like the perenial ducker Povetkin ,the ” still not
ready ” Helenius , Fury , Price etc., , or the ” stumbling Toe
Fairy ” .
has the guts to face

Posted November 9, 2012 2:15 pm 


LMAO!!!! Bears I don’t have “integrity” because I don’t agree with a couple of goons like you and Tark as it pertains to the fight??? You are the same NUT who thinks that Shannon Briggs knocked down Lewis, and Tark puts Herbie Hide out there like he is better than Ali…. :)

Posted November 9, 2012 2:01 pm 


The Crux of the fight with Grant was Lewis knocking out a well ranked contender in a few minutes…He was as BIG as Lewis but could not match the aggression, power and precision…How can Grant be a feather in the Klits hats moron they NEVER fought him?? Lewis knocked him out in 2000 when he was FRESH meat…. FACTS

Posted November 9, 2012 1:46 pm 


shmuck redmond is back condoning fouls again!!!!!!! BAHAHAHAHAAH!!! clearly the shmuck is no fan of the sport of boxing. shmuck redmond must have a purely racial association with boxing. pathetic display of zero inegrity there shmuck redmond.

Posted November 9, 2012 1:45 pm 


You’re making my point again… Grant struggled with the inept bumish Golota… The Foul Pole, nick named as much for how he smelled as how he fought—was smashed TFO quickly by Brewster, Tyson, and Lewis… The foul quitter had NO head movement… NO boxing ability… NO real heavyweight power for a man his size… He was slow as all get out… And he fouled worse than Lennox Lewis… Grant had no chance against the much faster, better boxing heavyweights, such as Dominick Guinn, Jameel McCline, and Tomasz Adamek.. Unless Grant was fighting another big, slow, inept bum like himself he had no shot in Hell—although he might have beaten Lewis if he wasn’t egregiously fouled.

Posted November 9, 2012 1:44 pm 


Tark, you are hilarious you want to tear down Grant when he was ranked #3 by the WBA, undefeated and in his physical prime but I have seen you pump him up because Adamek got a points win over him at the late stage of his career when you wanted to garner some additional credit for Vitali….. The BS police are watching man!

Posted November 9, 2012 1:43 pm 


nsredmond seriously must said grant is just a feather in lewis’s camp and anything else grant did means nothing. seriously, the S in sredmond must mean shmuck redmond right? do you know how many klitschKO opponents we could attach the same line of reasoning to? (he was ranked 3rd and coming off his big win?) LOL. again an utter display of garbage on your part shmuck redmond. The crux of the importance of the lewis vs grant was the fouling and lenox’s disposition to do it and ability to get away with it.

Posted November 9, 2012 1:41 pm 


Tark, wants to “ban” Lewis from boxing for “grinning” after bashing Michael Grant… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

Posted November 9, 2012 1:31 pm 


Sorry Tark, you don’t get to rule on bouts and Grant is a BIG BOY and he should be able to handle himself… Lewis abused him badly so stop the whining this is a combat sport… You guys use the SAME punk cry when we discuss how Lewis went “Jack the Ripper” on Vitali with those crisp jabs and right hands.. Two guys both as big as houses and they produce a bunch of apologist whiners when the GREAT Lewis took it to them…. SAD

Posted November 9, 2012 1:30 pm 


Tark your SAD attempts to make Michael Grant relevant by comparing his age to Vitalis are WEAK…. Grant beat Golota who had ONLY been truly destroyed by Lennox Lewis (fouled his way out of the Bowe contests as we all know) before Grant stopped him “He is YOUNGER than Vitali” what does that have to do with anything??? Again your desperation makes you look really SAD…. Lewis got him when he was ranked #3 by the WBA, Unbeaten and coming off his biggest win….Grant lost to Guinn 3 years and 8 fights later… Whats the relevance???? Bolstering Vitali in some bizarre way…??? LOL

Posted November 9, 2012 1:25 pm 


You’re making my case by touting Grant as a Lewis opponent… Grant never beat any good heavyweight.. Grant is younger than Vitali, but big, slow, and clumsy.. Grant never qualified to fight Vitali in 10 years of trying.. Grant was KO’d by Wladimir victim Jameel McCline.. The next time Grant tried to qualify for a Klitschko fight he was easily dominated and KTFO by unbeaten Dominick Guinn—somebody who was highly touted as the next great American heavyweight after that win over the big guy—but couldn’t get past the more intelligent Monte Barrett or Sergie Liakhovich — although Guinn DID just barely beat Audley Harrison in a tough fight, he never qualified to fight a Klitschko.

Posted November 9, 2012 12:22 pm 


Lewis fouled Grant horrifically and often.. Lewis stopped Grant using foul tactics—and should have lost the fight by DQ.. The commentators all mentioned Lewis’s holding and hitting on the KO punch—you can check the video for stark proof. They asked Lewis about the foul in the post fight interview… Lewis grinned and said, “I wanted to keep his head still.” ..That grin demonstrated more than anything Lewis’s contempt for the rules and his confidence he had the referee in his pocket..

Posted November 9, 2012 12:17 pm 


Grant was a RANKED #3 contender he had plenty of size and had 31 bouts under his belt… Try as you might Lennox Lewis DESTROYED him….Vitali was not even part of the upper level conversation back then and if you are discussing the present, Grant has been past it for quite a bit…. Still trying to build a name off of Lewis retreads a la Briggs who Lewis capped when he was a fresh young fighter as was Grant…

Posted November 9, 2012 10:47 am 


Guys want us to cosign on Wachs readiness and standing in the sport based on his workout videos?? What are we going to use next his SAT scores, or his skills on the debating team?? Mayweather always shows vintage workout footage, seamless and fast on the mitts as does Pacquiao…. Their GREATNESS and readiness is established in the RING against solid competition…. Wach has been beating up some typical “padding” type opponents…Serious foes don’t need false accolades and manufactured attributes…. This guys is not even a contender when you examine his record….I know Wlad needs someone to fight but the reality is his last few opponents have been suspect to say the least….

Posted November 9, 2012 10:44 am 


Wach would beat the s/hit out of Haye.

Posted November 9, 2012 5:22 am 


Bears. I take it the line” this will add to wlads legacy” is a joke right!!!

Posted November 9, 2012 5:10 am 


Right… Lewis was so great he beat Michael Grant with a foul blow—and should have been DQ’d… Michael Grant was a guy who couldn’t even qualify to fight Vitali because he couldn’t beat Tomasz Adamek or any reasonably good heavyweight in the last 10 years.. And he’s younger than Vitali.. I didn’t claim Wach is great. He hasn’t beaten the top heavyweights. But he’s 6’7″X250, and can box and punch.. He’s no bleeder like Chuck Wepner or Henry Cooper… no China chin like Richard Dunn, Brian London, or Henry Cooper… He’s no bum like Alfreado Evangelista and Jean Pierre Coopman… He’s no tyro like Leon Stinks and Jimmy Young… and no fat blob like 280 pound Buster Mathis … Wladimir is entitles to fight the Marusz Wach’s of the world, because He’s 6’7″ X 250, undefeated in 27 fights, can box and punch, has skills, and is very strong and sturdy … Wach is not a mandatory challenger just like the above fighters were elective for Ali.

Posted November 9, 2012 1:35 am 


I`m not going to criticise Wlad here, it isn`t his fault if noone else wants the fight, but equally I can`t build Wach up that much, I think there are at least 7-8 guys who would probably start as favourite to beat him aside from Wlad. Knocking out Gavern and Fields is more of a minimum expectation to be continental level than fantastically impressive in a title challenger. Perez put Fields out in a round, and Gaverne has lost to everyone going (though he seems a nice guy).

It`s interesting because of the matched size, but realistically Wlad is still probably stronger, fitter, a harder puncher, with better experience, pedigree and pure ability. I actually think Wlad will be more exciting against a big more stationary target – he has the power to hit the off switch, and that is what I expect he will do to Wach.

Price and Pulev are the threats on the horizon (and SOlis if he could get in shape). ACtually Solis obscures the horizon.

Posted November 9, 2012 1:28 am 

Sam Horn

“Before stating their opinions, people need to take a look at Wach’s open workout”….Thats true but they won’t bother to do that. They will repeat the same old s**t ad nausem about this being “Another boring jab and grab, another bum, etc etc etc.” If Wach found a way to win you can bet these maggots would be here after and well into the night – “I told you Wlad sucks, I knew he would get KTFO”….GTFO, you people are garbage.

Posted November 9, 2012 12:03 am 

Gary Esau

Anon, if you think that’s the case, I hope you’re here Sunday giving Wlad credit after he shatters Wach’s Jay Lenoesque chin.

Posted November 8, 2012 11:58 pm 


Wach could win this one. I think he has the stlye/power/size to stop Wald

Posted November 8, 2012 11:33 pm 


Bears, I cannot help but understand the anger of a imbecile having his delusions deconstructed… You should be pissed and you NEVER discussed Wach till he was slated… Wlads the best HW in the world but his last 3 defenses are some weak handpicked opponents… FACT

Posted November 8, 2012 3:44 pm 


wlad is a bum fighting a lesser bum

Posted November 8, 2012 3:42 pm 


Bears, Wach is NO ONE you have raved about EVERYONE but him… I have watched you drool over prospective bouts with Mago, Pulev, Boystov, Povetkin, Mitchell and Helenius… Suddenly Wlad activates this robot and we are supposed to pretend he is a highly ranked well respected fighter????? You have Tark and K2 to support that madness, I am just keeping it 100% real…

Posted November 8, 2012 3:42 pm 


Mcbride beat Tyson when he was washed up and NOW guys are beating him up in rapid succession because he is DONE.. Your campaign to impress us with Wachs competition is an exercise in futility… Wlads NOT having and epic bout with this guy, he has little to gain and more to lose…. Wachs not a well ranked opponent and we all know why… Neither was Charr….. Lewis was blasting guys like #3 ranked Michael Grant to bits, when Grant was undefeated…. This dude has NO ranking we are not fooled Tark!

Posted November 8, 2012 2:39 pm 


McBride was a keep busy fight for Wach, a willing opponent who represented no threat, but a huge man who beat Mike Tyson. It was experience and money in the bank.. Tye Fields was a better opponent for Wach—a great big tall guy like Wladimir Klitschko, and an experienced Emannuel Steward trained heavyweight with a good won/loss record.. Fields was no threat to Wach, but a fight with value because Wach was targeting Wladimir.. Some of Wach’s opponents were promising heavyweight hopefuls at the start of their careers, guys like Christian Hammer, Jason Gavern, and Jonathan Haggler … Wach’s KO of Hammer was compelling.. A hard, fast, combination from Wach and Hammer dropped like a rock — felled brutally, like he was shot with a Winchester 45.70

Posted November 8, 2012 1:30 pm 


Wach looked good against Mcbride because at this point Mcbride is a BUM and he has gone 1-6 in his last 7 or so bouts…At this point EVERYONES beating Mcbride and he offers little to NO proxy for how a guy will perform against a fighter of Wlads caliber…. We know Wach is getting knocked out and I don’t blame those who want to see Klits do his thing…. But lets not pretend that Wach has anymore than the SLIMMEST shot imaginable….

Posted November 8, 2012 12:00 pm 


Wach look okay in his workout. I like that Wladimir robot dance or whatever that was. Wlad’s version of sticking hands. This might just turn out to be a fun fight. Go Wach!

Posted November 8, 2012 8:59 am 


Before stating their opinions, people need to take a look at Wach’s open workout. He looked spectacular. Definitely now where near as slow as some people pegged him. Wach will make Wlad fight, for the first time in ages.

Posted November 8, 2012 8:19 am 


A child could say this will be over in four rounds, its hardly a shock to anyone.

Posted November 8, 2012 4:19 am 


I got Epix a long time ago. they are taking over and have great commentators with rafael and roach. I too cancelled hbo but picked it back up to watch vitaly. Its about time for me to cancel it again. LOL. They dont show sick-um for heavyweight fights but seth mitchel and thats pathetic because seth hasnt shown us much of anything. It’s sad hbo should be ALL OVER THE KLITSCHKOs……..I will call and cancel tomorrow.

Posted November 8, 2012 1:37 am 


GREAT POST FROM MR.BEARS. Well written man! I feel the same way as you about this this fight.

Posted November 8, 2012 1:28 am 


that was dedicated to boxtradamus troll

Posted November 8, 2012 1:24 am 


go fk yourself clown!!!!

Posted November 8, 2012 1:19 am 


Wlad is a BEAST in the boxgame! Look at this guy!!!! Just a machine of a beast. Truely one of the greatest of all time. I think he is gonna take out wach FAST! This fight ends in the first four rounds!!!! you heard it hear first. slow wach wont have time to do anything but make that CLASSIC klitschKO opponent “dear in the headlights” look when he tastes the power and realizes there is no escape. This is PRIME/PEAK wlad. will not be beaten by ANY MAN. lost his trainer and friend. wlads coming out with a vengeance like never before soon. your gonna see him jumping on his opponents out of the gate like he did austin. were gonna get another ray austinesque stoppage!!!!!! EVERYBODY WILL BE WATCHING THIS BEAST IN ACTION! THE GREAT WLADIMIR KLITSCHKO!!! now putting himself at the top of the record books above guys like cassius clay. name forever enshrined the great wladimir klitschKO.

Posted November 8, 2012 12:46 am 



Posted November 8, 2012 12:14 am 


David Haye takes “specialty” fights these days—meaning only huge money fights.. He wanted Valuev.. He wanted Wladimir.. He consented to fight Chisora because Vitali had fought Chisora, and he wanted to differentiate his performance from Vitali’s performance—and because it was a personal feud between him and Dereck—and because Vitali’s promoter said, “Fight Dereck—the winner gets Vitali.” Now Haye wants Vitali.. He’s willing to wait a couple months.. If Vitali retires, probably so will Haye. He will leave one hell of a lot of money on the table if he retires at his age, but he’s a strange bird.

Posted November 7, 2012 11:55 pm 


Get Haye v Wlad Klitschko again,Haye won’t make the same mistake, land on that chin,one or two punches that’s all it needs.

Posted November 7, 2012 11:34 pm 


Instead of pads they should have him train hitting oversized manikin chins!!!

Posted November 7, 2012 10:44 pm 


Yeah . . . well. Umm, you guys should see Mariusz hit the pads!!!!

Posted November 7, 2012 10:43 pm 


Yeah right. It will be the jab and grab FEST as usual.

Posted November 7, 2012 9:49 pm 


This will be an interesting fight. How will Wladimir look vs someone noticeably bigger than him and without Emanuel Steward in his corner and his passing weighing on his mind. Alot of unknown variables that aren’t usually present when Wlad fights. I have a feeling we might see a very aggressive Wladimir this time. Like what we havent seen since he fought Sanders.

Posted November 7, 2012 9:36 pm 


Wach is in trouble in this fight.

Posted November 7, 2012 9:14 pm 


Beating McBride is not big deal… But Wach showed that he’s a more dangerous puncher than 216-pound Tomasz Adamek who couldn’t stop McBride because he’s not a great puncher … McBride’s a disaster looking for a place to happen.. If you’re a puncher, you should put away a guy like McBride in 4 rounds, and with cataclysmic destruction, or don’t even bother taking the fight.. Tyson didn’t do the job for some weird reason — but Wach did.

Posted November 7, 2012 8:40 pm 


Wach might last 3 rounds.

Posted November 7, 2012 6:07 pm 


This will be an easy nights work for wlad. If wach thinks he can blast wlad out like he did all the other bums then he will get KOed himself.

Posted November 7, 2012 5:10 pm 



Klitschko is in trouble in this fight. Check out round 4 of Wach-McBride to get an early inside scoop on how this fight ends. Wach beat the man that beat Mike Tyson!
Posted November 7, 2012

Wach beat the man who beat a shot Tyson!

Posted November 7, 2012 5:02 pm 


Zwycięzcą jest Wach przez Ko

Posted November 7, 2012 4:23 pm 


Very good chin will have a tough time versus a very good right. WK who will no doubt use his right should have little problem cracking this Pole and making him look very wanting.

Posted November 7, 2012 3:49 pm 


looking forward to saturday, wach is a very strong fighter with a very good chin. Let’s see how klitschko reacts to be the smaller man


Posted November 7, 2012 2:41 pm 

John Murawski

I hope Wach wins. I’ve never liked Wlad’s style & it time for a change!

Posted November 7, 2012 1:55 pm 

mr rubes

Your all wrong first class fight class ref

Posted November 7, 2012 1:51 pm 


This is not a first class fight and the referee is same class. I remember him too well in Lewis-Tyson fight which Lenny clearly won even he had to fight against two man…

Posted November 7, 2012 1:39 pm 


That big Wlad right will be all three judges

Posted November 7, 2012 12:06 pm 


Klitschko is in trouble in this fight. Check out round 4 of Wach-McBride to get an early inside scoop on how this fight ends. Wach beat the man that beat Mike Tyson!

Posted November 7, 2012 11:25 am 


At least someone from the US can be involved in a heavyweight title fight

Posted November 7, 2012 11:14 am 

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