“He fought from feather weight to light heavy weight. 173-19-108 KO’s”
80% of Robinson’s victims were outrageously bad record padders.
The 19 guys who kicked his ass were pretty fair. But Ralph Jones had lost 5 straight fights — and Joey Maxim was slow-pokey and punchless.Posted August 16, 2014 5:04 pm
The Sugar Man
Tark says Sugar Ray Robinson was best Loser ever…are you nuts? He fought from feather weight to light heavy weight. 173-19-108 KO’s. Fought for 25 yrs in the boxing game! Tark are you bi-polar or have some type of mental illness? Your the BIGGEST troller on ESB. You hardly ever makes any sense, constantly flip flopping. You are the Rush Limbaugh of ESB!Posted August 13, 2014 7:29 pm
Just so you know
Tark you can’t be serious.Posted August 13, 2014 3:44 pm
Robinson was the best LOSER ever… True enough
Maxim got NOTHING from beating Robinson… Not a PRAYER of getting a rematch.
But that’s Boxing… People like Joey always got shat on.Posted August 13, 2014 3:18 pm
SRR. The best ever. Period.Posted August 13, 2014 12:43 pm
The temperature was 103-degrees.. It may have been the hottest June 25th in New York… but there were much hotter days in New York and in history… The hottest day in US History was 134 degrees Fahrenheit at Furnace Creek, Calif. on July 10, 1913 — over 30 degrees hotter than it was for Robinson-Maxim.
Dempsey-Willard was conducted in much hotter temperature, 114 degrees.. so it’s not a record for a Boxing match.
It was hot, but Maxim paced himself well for the weather… Robinson didn’t pace himself – which was none too bright.
Robinson should havePosted August 13, 2014 3:04 am
Later, he recalled, “Maxim was an easy target. In the seventh, I stunned him with a right hand to the jaw. But the heat was beginning to get to me. After the ninth, I plopped on my stool. ‘I don’t know what’s the matter,’ I said. ‘I’m getting sleepy.’ That is the last memory I have
It’s funny how TARK poo poos the RECORD heat in Yankee Stadium yet he FLIP FLOPS all over Wlad implying he was drugged when he got bombed out by Brewste, doing his own version of a flip flop in the ring.
Oh, dear TARK double f’ing standards there old fool!
Even the heartiest humans can come over all funny and weak at the weirdest of times.
Nice to see you bend over and open wide for Wlad and Vitali with an excuse for all their losses, but try and bash Sugar for a LEGITIMATE reason for losing his fight.
I used to think you were a credible poster, but now I see you for the petty, mean-spirited, jealous, pernicious little LIAR you are.
You are the ultimate FLIP FLOP.
Earth calling TARK, Earth calling TARK!! Come in please.
Reknowned boxing journo Thomas Hauser (who is a bit of an authority on Ray Robinson) wrote:
Then Robinson undertook his greatest ring challenge. At Yankee Stadium on June 23, 1952, he sought to wrest the light-heavyweight championship from Joey Maxim. A victory would give him a title in his third weight division at a time when the phrase “world champion” really meant something. Only Henry Armstrong and Bob Fitzsimmons had accomplished that feat before.
Maxim was a shade younger than Robinson and, more significantly, outweighed him by fifteen pounds. Robinson was a 7-to-5 favorite because of his extraordinary skills. But fighting for the 175-pound championship was a tremendous reach for a fighter who’d begun his career at 135 pounds.
“How are your legs?” Robinson was asked several days before the bout.
“I hope they’re all right,” he answered. “This would sure be a bad time for them to go wrong.”
The temperature in the ring on fight night was 104 degrees. It was the hottest June 25th in the history of New York. “A miasma of cigarette smoke hung over the ringside seats on the baseball diamond,” A. J. Liebling wrote. “There was no breeze to dispel it, and the American flags on the four posts at the corners of the ring drooped straight down.”
“I thought I was being roasted to death,” referee Ruby Goldstein said afterward.
The first ten rounds were slow-paced, with Robinson piling up a lead on the scorecards. Later, he recalled, “Maxim was an easy target. In the seventh, I stunned him with a right hand to the jaw. But the heat was beginning to get to me. After the ninth, I plopped on my stool. ‘I don’t know what’s the matter,’ I said. ‘I’m getting sleepy.’ That is the last memory I have of anything that happened that night.”
At the end of round ten, Goldstein collapsed from the heat and was replaced by Ray Miller. The new third man in the ring broke clinches more quickly than his predecessor and the pace of the fight quickened a bit.
“In the eleventh round,” Dave Anderson recounted in the New York Times, “Robinson jolted Maxim with another right hand to the jaw. But when the bell rang, he wandered aimlessly toward a neutral corner.”
In round twelve, Robinson forced himself onto the attack again, scoring repeatedly but at the expense of the little strength left in his reserve. Then he hit the proverbial wall.
“When Robinson came out for the thirteenth,” Liebling wrote, “he walked as if he had the gout in both feet and dreaded putting them down. When he punched, which was infrequently, he was as late and wild as an amateur; and when he wasn’t punching, his arms hung at his sides. Maxim, at first apparently unable to believe his good fortune, began after a period of ratiocination to hit after him. Then Robinson, the almost flawless boxer, the epitome of ring grace, swung wildly like a child, missed his man completely, and fell on his face.”
Robinson rose and finished the round. When it ended, he hung onto the ropes in a neutral corner. His cornermen dragged him to his stool, held smelling salts beneath his nose, and pressed ice against the back of his neck.
A commission doctor asked Robinson if he could stand up. The two judges had him leading Maxim 10-3 and 9-3-1 in rounds. The composite score of the two referees had him ahead 7-4-3. In other words, under the round scoring system then in effect in New York, all he had to do was finish the fight to win.
Robinson shook his head. He was physically unable to rise from his stool.
The bell rang. Maxim was declared the winner by knockout at the start of the fourteenth round.
After the fight, Robinson suffered from delirium in his dressing room. His body was covered with blisters and he had lost twelve pounds. He refused to go to the hospital and was taken to his mother’s home.
Two months later, Robinson announced his retirement from boxing. He was thirty-one years old. “I do not feel I can any longer give the public my best as it has come to recognize it,” he said. “I know better than anyone else how good I am and what my limitations are. I find I can’t move in the ring with the same speed, dispatch, and accuracy. My instinct used to guide my hands and feet. I could see the opening in a flash and, in the same twinkle, handle the situation. The coordination isn’t there anymore. No one knows that better than I do.”
Then Robinson set out in pursuit of the next stage of his dream. Great fighters of the past had made good money on the vaudeville circuit. Ray had more ambitious plans. He wasn’t just a great fighter. He could dance and sing, and he was convinced that people would pay to see him do it. He was an entertainer, a star.
Try and lie your way out of that TARK.Posted August 12, 2014 1:33 pm
I get it. TARK got blown off by Pat and Goody Petronelli, so he’s bitter at Hagler.
There’s still plenty people that believe Marvin was “ROBBED” in that fight, nobody has mentioned that.Posted August 12, 2014 4:47 am
Anonymous Jerkoff.., You’re making excuses for Hagler.
Leonard was a welterweight coming off a 3-year-layoff and he beat Hagler… He was always going to box Hagler. Saying he was going to slug was for simple shlts like you to believe.
All you’ve got is one million excuses why Hagler lost — and why Ray Robinson lost to Joey Maxim and Ralph Jones.Posted August 12, 2014 2:45 am
TARK you necrophiliac so-called trainer of champions who knows less than the jizz he drinks from young male prostitutes for his Saturday night ‘doggie treats’
Marvin Hagler vs Sugar Ray Leonard
The above is off Wikipedia, but it is set out in great detail in both Hagler’s book and in Leonard’s nook how he hoodwinked Hagler into thinking he wasn’t FIGHTING FIT.
“When your opponent is illegally pushing his head into your face to gain leverage . . .”(?). NOT leverage but release from Chaves’ desperate clinging to Rios’ arms. also, flopping, lacing, take-down, eye-gouging are the various fouls that Chaves was obviously guilty of. presumed “headbutting” with mitigating circumstances is the only foul that you can (inaccurately) accuse Rios of. besies, Rios has got no history of being a dirty fighter and was genuinely outraged by Chaves’ antics. Btw, i’d like to add fake soccer-overacting to the list of Chaves’ multi-fouling performance. even worse than Broner’s over-reaction to Maidana’s headbutt in response to the same situation. he was also trying to release himself from Broner’s desperately-clinging arms. however, that was just one instance. after the 3rd round, Chaves’ entire fight-plan hinged on clinging to Rios’ arms for which he was audibly warned several times and finally penalized for. when that didn’t work, he desperately tried to foul-out by blatantly lacing Rios in full view of the ref; executing a flipping tackle; and eye-gouging that Rios immediately alerted the ref too. once again, you need to actually watch the bouts you insist on analyzing.Posted August 11, 2014 1:28 pm
Yea Te tumbo, just read your post. Your just say what tark said.Posted August 11, 2014 12:49 pm
The point is ok said that manny hasnt had a ko in years .and Floyd fans is calling his Ortiz fause crack a ko, real boxing fans know a ko when they see one. Garcia fight a ko. Cotto fight a tko. That a tko. I remember after the fight everybody felt rip off. Floyd could have waited 2 secound for Ortiz to look back at him. Or even touch glove. But Floyd wanted a advantage.
I said both Rios and Chaves were fouling. The ref was favoring Rios. When your opponent is illegally pushing his head into your face to gain leverage, and the referee is letting him get away with it, you try to make it obvious that he’s pushing your face with his head, but moving your head up or to the side with a disgusted look on your face.
This wasn’t registering with Drakulich… Next step? push his face away, which is a return foul. “Get your damned head outta my face MFer.” That’s what was going on.
Rios was fouling like crazy… Chaves was retaliating like crazy… Double fouls… Take points from both again.
Jack Reese to Ward… “You’re retaliating… 2-POINTS”
Jack Reese to Rodrigues… “You’re instigating… 2 POINTS”
He would have taken another 2-points from each if they kept screwing around… but you don’t DQ the retaliator.Posted August 11, 2014 12:40 pm
HOE-HOE, take a reading comprehension class before you embarrass yourself by responding to the wrong posters for other people’s posts. then again, it’s easier to risk looking stupid as a multiposting troll.Posted August 11, 2014 12:37 pm
Tumbo that rubbish you know it. Even all the writer wrote that Ortiz was starting to pressure Floyd and was getting started. Floyd has a history of fause cracking people that rap singer, the wrestler, Ortiz, his wife . Lol.Posted August 11, 2014 12:33 pm
Jay posted.., “Tark you call victor Otis a ko. HA. He wasn’t even looking at Floyd and he had his hand down and didn’t hear the ref say let fight. That should have been a rematch fight, not maidana.2”
LMFAO!!! Right Einstein… In his next 2 fights Ortiz got stopped by 2nd raters Josesito Lopez and Luis Collazo — to give him 3 KO LOSSES IN A ROW — to guys who can’t punch…
So that obviously makes VO the perfect candidate to do a rematch with Floyd.
Ortiz was looking for a quick way out of the Floyd fight… First he tried to foul out with an outrageous flying headbutt.
When that didn’t work he tried to get DQ’d for kissing and hugging Floyd.
When that didn’t work he took the next two punches and said goodnight.Posted August 11, 2014 4:53 am
TARK is an ATG.
Btw TARK, you sack of jizz strings. Robinson was retired for 31 months before he fought Jones, which is closer to 3 years than it is 2, you puke face. I will get the quote regarding Leonard and Hagler, just so you know.Posted August 11, 2014 2:57 am
Heckdog is Jinkee Pacquiao.Posted August 11, 2014 2:35 am
Doc holiday, predicting a maidana knock down is brave. But Floyd is so confidant this is when that happens. Suprised.Posted August 10, 2014 11:43 pm
Floyd has a feather fist. He and paulie should fight. The battle of the feather fisted. Maidana said broner hit harder than Floyd, who has Floyd hurt lately? Nobody who rock Floyd ? Everybody .
iF Maruquez did Manny like that what the hell do you think Floyd would do to him???
Tark you call victor Otis a ko. HA. He wasn’t even looking at Floyd and he had his hand down and didn’t hear the ref say let fight. That should have been a rematch fight, not maidana.2Posted August 10, 2014 11:30 pm
Exactly…great post….common fkn sense ritePosted August 10, 2014 9:27 pm
iF Maruquez did Manny like that what the hell do you think Floyd would do to him???Posted August 10, 2014 9:25 pm
STFU did Ali knock everyone out??
NO so STFU againPosted August 10, 2014 9:21 pm
Floyd knocked Victor Ortiz TFO a lot more recently than Hatton.
Of course… Josesito and Callazo stopped VO too.Posted August 10, 2014 9:11 pm
teflon. Floyd hasnt had a ko from hatten fight. What is that 8-10 years? ago. And Ricky was a jr w.w.Posted August 10, 2014 9:01 pm
Just so you know posts.., “Prime Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu but you don’t think prime Hatton would beat Senchenko? Get real Tark.”
Tszyu was on his last legs… He was injury riddled and 36… It was like Leon Stinks beating Muhammad Ali.
Senchenko is very tall and he could haul.. He plowed Hatton with that left hook to the liver.. Put Ricky OUT!!.. He brought his own judges because he needed them.Posted August 10, 2014 8:41 pm
Funny how after Floyd accused Manny of using PEDS he has no more KOs and fights fights that have no chance of beating him scratching my head…Posted August 10, 2014 8:26 pm
Tark, Leonard publicly stated that he planned to fight Hagler head on, but getting dropped in his last ‘behind closed doors’ fight was as sign and he changed his plan and decided to box and move and razzle-dazzle vs Hagler.
Tark, you lying arsehole. Read Hagler’s book and you will LEARN that Leonard had been staging REAL boxing matches behind closed doors for months and it was only because he got floored in the last session that he changed his plan from attacking Hagler head on. I think it may have been by Quincy Taylor.
brza da originator
Tark there are levels in boxing n no matter how long snr had Hatton he could never compete wit prime pacPosted August 10, 2014 7:08 pm
Just so you know
Prime Hatton beat Kostya Tszyu but you don’t think prime Hatton would beat Senchenko? Get real Tark.Posted August 10, 2014 6:05 pm
Just so you know posted.., “A peak Hatton would have destroyed Senchenko.”
NOPE!!!! … The fight would have been roughly the same whenever they fought.
The reason is: Floyd Sr trained Hatton for his Malignaggi fight.. It was the FIRST time Hatton really learned to box or jab in his life.. He out-boxed Paulie — but during his next fight, which he trained 3 months for, he seemed clueless.
A much more advanced boxer—Manny Pacquiao—boxed Hatton to death in the 1st round and smashed him unconscious in the 2nd round. The Pac fight was WAAAAY premature. Hatton needed at least 10 opponents on Paulie’s level to bring his boxing skills up to Pac’s level.
It would have taken Floyd Sr another 3 years at least, to teach Hatton top notch boxing skills… Ricky obviously had the talent…but lacked the patience, desire, and commitment to learn… He quit for a couple years — and then quit again at the first sign of adversity (a tough loss).Posted August 10, 2014 5:41 pm
IsPosted August 10, 2014 5:34 pm
pactards r us
Floyd’s the P4P KING in every organization and everyone behind him…uh DON’T FKN MATTER…only the Pactards disputes the KING…but that’s what happens when your at the top….all of this shoulda coulda woulda BS fly’s his way….Posted August 10, 2014 4:51 pm
Just so you know
Tark, Brook did a good job on Senchenko but dont try telling us Hatton was anywhere close to peak when he fought Senchenko himself. He admitted after the fight he had nothing left and his body had been ruined by his lifestyle hence he retired after the fight. A peak Hatton would have destroyed Senchenko.Posted August 10, 2014 4:37 pm
Robinson never made it into the 14th round… so another lie.Posted August 10, 2014 3:54 pm
Did Floyd anounce who on this fight card? Can’t see much ppv buying this time around. Oyea forgot. its in movies 500 theaters and Counted as ppvs. At 10 buck a head.Posted August 10, 2014 3:34 pm
“Take you some SEEING courses.”
Take you some HUMILITY courses, A$$WIPE.Posted August 10, 2014 3:33 pm
hibdeebibdee, could it be because Iam anwering/ correcting another comment about Floyd on a Floyd thread ? Bingo, Iam.Posted August 10, 2014 3:29 pm
“Yeah I see what you’re saying but the topic makes its way everywhere anyways….”
Actually Pacturds r us, it makes you the biggest pacturd of all because you can’t stop talking about the guy.Posted August 10, 2014 3:23 pm
Heckdog , A good man that trusts in God and is always trying to do the right thing in his life rarely ever fails. He continually gets blessings while other continue their attacks. Manny Pacquiao is that man that is genuine and does this world good. He makes things happen. He gives you motivation. He fights to make you happy. He gives to help you. Manny Pacquiao is a masterpiece of a man. Gentlemen, I hope one day soon you all will admire and appreciate Manny Pacquiao the man. Trust me when I say that Manny Pacquiao will be there for you if you ever need him. He turns no one down. Manny is the best!
That the reason why you irritate boxing fans keep your person feeling out of it and just use fact, don’t you hate it when you read Floyd fan praising Floyd god like? i do. let’s be real. keep out the personal feeling out as even I don’t share the overly done view.Posted August 10, 2014 3:19 pm
So manny don’t get credit for fighting and beating Oscar but Floyd do? No matter what, Oscar still had his fast jab, and threw it. And miss 80 % from round one.power leave you not your jab. That flicking it out, don’t take much energy to jab.oscar was ok and outclass, but same as Martinez cotto will not get credit, as old hero have good memories. That understandable.Posted August 10, 2014 2:35 pm
How did Floyd steal canelo 154 belt at 152 lb? Return the belt back if you can’t make 154 lb manny did.Posted August 10, 2014 2:27 pm
TARKS POSTS: why should Floyd fight manny? Because manny has 58 wins right now and has 3 years more of fight on contract that 6 fights if he win all he be 64 wins at career end.
Floyd will retire at 50 fight all win maybe .
Yea boxtra, maidana got better, so did khan, he truelly knock out maidana now. First time was was one knock down. Alexander porter ran him over. Floyd never fought. Ridley or alexander, but both khan and Floyd fought jab Judah and khan koed him and retired him. Floyd almost lose as it was a split decission same as maidana first fight.Posted August 10, 2014 2:13 pm
Happyboy. birthday present.
Canelo Alvarez weighed in at 166.8 pounds for the WBC’s mandatory 30-day weigh-in. In other words, there’s another 15 pounds to go.
With the Floyd Mayweather – Canelo Alvarez mega event only a month away (time has flown, huh?), the WBC held it’s mandatory 30-day out weigh-in for the fighters. Naturally, when it comes to the weight, all eyes are on Canelo who will have to shed a pound and a half more than what he was for the Austin Trout fight in order to make the 152 pound catchweight. It will require Alvarez to be at the lowest weight he has been since he faced Matthew Hatton in November of 2011.Posted August 10, 2014 2:08 pm
TARK is very SIMPLE minded IF you haven’t figured it out yet. He cannot grasp the FACT that there are different versions of Fighters. Thats why he always references the Fight between Ali and Holmes not realizing that the Ali that fought Holmes was not the same version that faced Liston. You need decent vision in order to SEE that. Just as you need it to SEE that the Maidana that Broner and Floyd fought were different than the versions that Khan and Alexander fought. Take you some SEEING courses.Posted August 10, 2014 1:50 pm
I have to disagree with Teflon. PAC is a classy , humble, very talented boxer. Now that Floyd may have lost
I hope MM wins or, if Floyd wins by another boring decision, he finds the gonads to fight Manny.Posted August 10, 2014 9:10 am
Shame poor old man.Posted August 10, 2014 8:17 am
JUST SO YOU KNOW
Tark abused Sugar Ray Robinson who retired for 3 years before making a comeback and losing to Ralph Tiger Jones after quitting from HEAT EXHAUSTION in the 14th round vs Joey Maxim at LH in record temps.
Hatton made a comeback 3 years after being KO’d by Pac man.
Sad thing is Tark is either too stupid or too psychotic to factor in what effects this had on the human body. Robinson was in his mid thirties when he came back vs Jones and was clearly never the same fighter again, even tho’ he managed to regain the world MW title.
Tark, is an idiot who would argue with himself given an opportunity and often does under different handles.
We’re all onto this idiot.Posted August 10, 2014 8:12 am
Are you saying he”s an Idiot.Posted August 10, 2014 6:21 am
Just so you know
Tark, excuses for what? If you say something silly like Senchenko beat anything like a decent version of Hatton expect to get pulled up for it. Not excuses for anything just the facts.Posted August 10, 2014 5:57 am
Just so you know — you just make excusesPosted August 10, 2014 3:51 am
Canelo is known to rehydrate up to 172lbs ( vs Trout)Posted August 10, 2014 3:43 am
Tko – Canelo, the real baby killa was made to drop 2lbs ( 152lbs) try get your facts right, 15lbs would make him 139lbs.Posted August 10, 2014 3:41 am
brza da originator
@tko no he did nt jmm was a lightweight 135Posted August 10, 2014 12:10 am
Manny should fight jmm again. manny allowed to be 147 lb and jmm has to lose weight to 143 lb. and even then jmm now has a trainer and pro diet and was brought up in weight slowly. Not in 4 month as Floyd
Just so you know, Floyd beat jmm a jr WW. From 140 lb made him rise to 145 lb and the conman even came in at 147 lb. jmm could not even make 145 he was 143 lb. baby killer.
Hecdog, when did you get the signed photo of manny and ”’ freddy 13 losses”’…. Before he got Bango,d by Marquez or after??? Would you sell it for a few dollars ?? That’s a great offer because in 30 years it might fetch 5 or 6 dollars!!!…..why did you not ask manny and freddy for a pair of their soiled underpants??? As they are like his catch weight fights , they stink the fu*king place out!!!!!! HECDOG next time don’t ring us , ring the Samaritans!!!!!!!!!!!!!Posted August 9, 2014 9:43 pm
Just so you know
Tark, you’ve hit rock bottom. Hatton hadn’t fought in 3 years and was a career light welter coming back at welter against Senchenko he had nothing left. Brook is at his peak as a welter. Secondly Maidana had Khan out on his feet in the 11th of their fight and he has improved greatly since then.Posted August 9, 2014 9:33 pm
Just so you know says.., “Tark, I pick Brook over Porter which is my choice but there’s no danger that he hits harder than Maidana or can give Mayweather more trouble.”
You’re wrong. He hits a lot harder than Maidana. Hatton couldn’t hurt Senchenko with a damned thing, and got flattened. Brook murdered Senchenko. He’s the only guy to stop him.
Khan got caught with full swings by Maidana and didn’t even hit the canvas.. Danny Garcia smashed Khan. I knew that before their fight was signed that Khan was getting knocked out. Others stopped Corley, Khan, and Morales, but Maidana couldn’t.
Brook is a hitter.. Floyd isn’t.. I’m not saying the beats Floyd — but that’s a much tougher fight.. Brook kills Maidana.
Just because MM beat Broner, who is wide open for arching right hands, doesn’t mean he matches up well with the top welterweights… Broner barely beat feather-dusting Malignaggi.Posted August 9, 2014 9:25 pm
Just so you know
Tark, I pick Brook over Porter which is my choice but there’s no danger that he hits harder than Maidana or can give Mayweather more trouble. Brook is on the up and has a lot to learn and neither him nor Porter should be looking for the Mayweather fight.Posted August 9, 2014 7:49 pm
Just so you know says… “How many of Brook’s fights have you seen? I like Brook but to say he would beat Maidana is crazy.” …. Nothing crazy about it if you know Boxing.
I’ve seen enough of Kell’s fights to know that he punches a lot harder and straighter than Khan or Maidana.. I don’t subscribe to the A beats B, B beats C, A beats C line.. I subscribe to skills, styles, strengths, and weaknesses determining winners. But you have to know what you’re looking at and you don’t.
Brook throws fast, hard, straight punches, and that’s how you beat Maidana, Khan, Alexander, and Guerrero.
I’m picking Porter to beat him, but Brook is a live dog. This is the best welterweight matchup in years..Posted August 9, 2014 7:35 pm
Just so you know
Holy sh!t Tark how many of Brook’s fights have you seen? I like Brook but to say he would beat Maidana is crazy. Alexander beat Maidana and Porter beat Alexander so Porter beats Maidana? And yet you dispute the Mayweather schools Marquez and Marquez beats Pacquiao so Mayweather beats Pacquiao argument haha. I don’t actually subscribe to this school of thought. Do you think Maidana has not improved under Garcia and is better now then the Alexander and Khan defeats? A scholar of the sport of boxing such as you should see this.Posted August 9, 2014 6:58 pm
Just so you know.., “Tark, so one good win over Malignaggi suddenly makes Porter one of two viable options for Mayweather???”
Cut the stupid crap you IDIOT!!! Porter beat Devon Alexander for his World Championship by a clear margin… Devon certainly beat Maidana worse than Floyd did.
Now Porter’s taking on one of the most dangerous guys in the division… Somebody who would pound Maidana into defeat more decisively than Floyd or Khan managed to do.Posted August 9, 2014 6:48 pm
Just so you know
Tark, so one good win over Malignaggi suddenly makes Porter one of two viable options for Mayweather??? Seriously you try to portray yourself as some Yoda of boxing but you have seriously lost the reality. You are telling us that Porter is more of a threat to Mayweather than Cotto or Canelo? Wise up. Porter would get schooled. I doubt he’ll beat Brook.Posted August 9, 2014 6:04 pm
Floyd wants that “Blockbuster” fight, but Maidana isn’t that fight.
The 1st Maidana fight was no blockbuster. It was a slogging mess and foul fest. Maidana looked clean as a whistle after the fight because Floyd didn’t get brutal shots on him. He didn’t throw.
Floyd would have to fight someone like Pacquiao or Porter to get to produce a blockbuster kind of fight. Devon Alexander beat this punk MM with room to spare.Posted August 9, 2014 5:51 pm
Marquez killed Pacman
Marquez has pacquiaos number.
Maidana has Floyd number, and he might even win a few more round this time, if you drop Floyd I will never stop laughing,as khan drop once, Floyd can’t even hurt maidana.
Too bad maidana has to wear foam gloves. When everybody else fought him as is. Floyd con goes on.Posted August 9, 2014 4:17 pm
Funny…. all the Floyd dingbats floyds dong suckers. tumbo,pactard ,ok, etc are still fighting heckdog. the post is is over 400 post long now.
What’s the lesson ???Posted August 9, 2014 3:12 pm
brza da originator
Annonymous . Diego corrales is not the best guy floyd ever faced but its considered by most experts his best victory . Why ? Because he fought him at his best weight in or around his prime n he was undefeated . I would put victories over young prime lions like porter n Thurman on the same level as a coralles victory . Superstar names don t mean as much after they ve been beaten down by other fighters first r on they’re way out r at catchweights . That lesson was free . Ur welcomePosted August 9, 2014 2:45 pm
Floyds to light in the backside to handle a strong, tough guy like Chino and he no longer has the footspeed to evade for the duration of the fight. My prediction Chino denominates this time Floyds ripe for the picking. Until Floyd gets by stepping stone Chino please dont mention Pac I’d have to agree with Floyd Sr. I’d also fear for Floyds life ha ha.Posted August 9, 2014 2:25 pm
Who the F U C K is Floyd Mayweather?Posted August 9, 2014 2:22 pm
Maidana is going to get handled he is one dirty SOB this time he may get disqualified cheating wont help him win. Using gloves with no pad hitting in the nutts dude will try anything to win because skill wise he come up short. And so will Manny if he ever has the balls to take the drug testingPosted August 9, 2014 2:11 pm
And its gonna happen again to fragile Floyd ha ha chump.Posted August 9, 2014 2:07 pm
Truth u r just lame the sweet science always seems to ESCAPE the eyes of mediocre fans.u don’t appreciate great all around boxing skills.Posted August 9, 2014 2:04 pm
It does happen no dispute here you PUTzPosted August 9, 2014 2:01 pm
Anonymous don’t get all butthurt because your boyfriend got beat up its boxing it happens. Floyd had a nice speed knot on his left eye from some clean overhand rights and Chinos bodywork certainly left Floyd hurt up dude punches like a mule. Tell Floyd stop throwing those weak arm punches and get some body weight behind those punches or he’s gonna get beat up again haha.Posted August 9, 2014 1:59 pm
Mayweather is the greatest “patty cake” boxers of all time. Boring fighter who excessively holds. Can’t wait for this cherry picker to retire.Posted August 9, 2014 1:52 pm
One was boxing the other was bar room brawling…… Case n point u Dimwit.Posted August 9, 2014 1:38 pm
Are you gonna…..Posted August 9, 2014 1:36 pm
ROTF….Anonymous are gonna make the argument that Floyd dished out more damage than he recieved. Hope not because you’ll look stupid. I didn’t say Chino won I said he beat Floyd up which he clearly did. Easy to stay undefeated when you get the benefit of the doubt on the scorecards the decision could’ve easily went to Chino.Posted August 9, 2014 1:35 pm
LOL…FMJ got beat up and still undefeated…Rem u fkn hating ass BEOTCH ….u make no damn sensePosted August 9, 2014 1:28 pm
After Floyd was beat up by a gatekeeper I don’t know how people can say with confidence Floyd would beat any top fighter. Lets see how Floyd does against Chino 9/13 then we’ll go from there.Posted August 9, 2014 1:04 pm
According to Tark, the aardvark. Tark once dined with Ray Robinson, but Tark can’t hide his jealousy and continues to slip in in virtually every second or third post some jibe about Ray Robinson losing to Ralph Tiger Jones. TARK likes to dream he knows better than those historians who wee truly there and saw Ray in his pomp, which Tark, was at Welterweight and not in a comeback after a 3 year layoff vs the tough Jones.
Floyd schools Cotto again easily Cotto is too slow and mathotic he could never beat MW he is too slick, in the first fight Floyd figured him out after the 5th like he does everyone else. This fight people still want to see is pacroidPosted August 9, 2014 12:13 pm
If Floyd is banking on a Cotto rematch he can forget that..
Floyd is delusional ..”it’s another blockbuster ” ..sorry Floyd, the first was a dud and your man Stephen Espinoza won’t release the PPV #s …why do you think that is ??..
SREDMOND Eastside’s greatest hypocrite and racist scumbag accusing others of being hypocrites. SMH
If anyone were to try and keep track of the amount of times we’ve seen his hypocrisy, racism and racist double standards exposed, it would take up so much time that they’d have to lead an even sadder life than he does. HaPosted August 9, 2014 11:51 am
In England fight fans know that kelly brook is just another Hype job. But some Yanks think he”s the real deal.LOL.Posted August 9, 2014 11:14 am
He will end this deal as the richest boxer ever which is all a lot of people seem to care about anyway”-I’ve never understood that. How is it that so-called boxing fans get into this big arguments as to how much a boxer is making, or will make, or what the PPV sales have been like. And they use this argument to excuse said boxer not taking on the best opposition out there. I am referring to Mayweather, but this could be applied to any number of boxers. Manny Pacquiao and Ahmir Khan come to mind right ofthe top of my head. Are these boxers that people defend so much based on how much they are making paying their fans’ bills or something? Are they giving them child support money? If so let me get on the gravy train. If not, boxing fans never cared about weather a boxer was rich or leaving in poverty. That was their business. All that true boxing fans ever cared about was the best fighting the best.Posted August 9, 2014 10:38 am
brza da originator
Not particularly lookin forward to the fight considerin the options he had on the table but if his last 2 fights r a Cotto rematch n Danny Garcia at 147 then the maidana fight cud be the highlight of his showtime deal . How dissapointing is that for us Floyd Mayweather fans who wanted to see him add to his legacy wit this deal ( if they are the fights not one of them enter his top 5 wins , a mumified canelo don t count that fight ended at the scales ) n go some way towards proving his TBE claims . He will end this deal as the richest boxer ever which is all a lot of people seem to care about anywayPosted August 9, 2014 9:11 am
I have counted over 100 posts about Lennox Lewis and Vitali Klitschko all saying exactly the same thing about an alleged gloving incident. WTF Dude needs to leave it alone and get a woman.Posted August 9, 2014 7:22 am
Tark isn’t a human, he is a machine regurgitating the same b.s. time and time and time again ad nauseam.
Tark is at it again!!!!!!!
BUT, Tark lavishes praise on Porter, Brook, Lara, Trout and La Bamba as master boxers!!!!!!!!
You couldn’t make it up, even if you tried!Posted August 9, 2014 7:14 am
Happychimp is a retarded, unemployed wannabe who is never going to amount to anything as he is consumed by jealousy, envy and is as lazy as his crack-HO boyfriend he sends out to turn enough tricks to get his next fix or failing that he had to pucker up himself and suck the grizzly pulled pork to get himself some. HappyChimp, we’ll soon be reading that you have become another statistic, dead, buried, unmourned and forgotten in your own cesspit of vice and excess. Good day to you you total waste of space.Posted August 9, 2014 5:38 am
Im hoping Maidana learned something from the first fight, to take a step back when Money steps inside his big shots, he was stuck in the same position last time and his big shots were whistling over Moneys head, the thing is though, if Maidana learned one thing then Money will have learned 5 or 10 things.Posted August 9, 2014 5:12 am
pactards r us
Fine hecdog Manny is the best outside of the ring but in the ring
FORGET ABOUT IT!!Posted August 9, 2014 3:55 am
Hecdog is really Mannys wife…Posted August 9, 2014 3:03 am
@Hecdog: fighters get hated on because of fans like you. We get that he’s your idol and that you’re deep in love with Pacquiao, you can stop all your lame bull$hît already.Posted August 9, 2014 2:04 am
Manny is always thr bridesmaid never the bride poor Manny what will he do? Oh I know fight a unknown kick boxer in China forget avegnging his lost to a 40 year old Mexican who KTFO of him and forget fight the top welters, Floyd this and Floyd that heavy is the head that wears the crown, Manny is one cherry picking SOB.Posted August 9, 2014 1:48 am
Crystal – STFU and go fork out your money for another Top Stink rip off in Macau vs a NOBODY.Posted August 9, 2014 12:20 am
Powerhands – the only smart thing Maidana did was to fight Mayweather dirty besides that he ain’t got a chance in hell. Floyd only has to keep the fight in the middle of the ring and you’ll see how quickly maidana gets DQ or spanked.Posted August 9, 2014 12:17 am
I’ve got some thoughts on this rematch. Mayweather Jr the scared chicken, who will not face any real threat, comfortably out points the one dimensional slugger. This is the same guy that Khan beat and went life and death with Ortiz. Yet Mayweather Jr has milked 2 fights from this as he continues to sucker his own fans to fork out money for this crap. The sad case is that his idiotic fan base continue to give their hard earned food stamps to Mayweather Jr retirement fund in which he treats them like 3rd rate citizens as he pretentiously flaunts his wealth in their faces. The dullards love him for it and truly cannot see that the joke is on them. Typical inbred USA ghetto morons.Posted August 8, 2014 11:35 pm
Boxingpedia; I agree with you. But I have always felt that the double jab was good against Floyd. Ricky Hatton proved it. I feel triple jabs will enhance Floyd’s counters. But, three jabs can work sometimes if Floyd doesn’t always counter. Sometimes hook off the jab. Maidana has proved that Floyd can be hit with body shots. maidana even said it. he is capable of forcing Floyd against the ropes. His head movement, and defense. I think what makes Floyd the best out there is his record, and his smarts. What I’m getting at is; I think Floyd knows all what we have text, and has a plan for it. He reads a lot of posts. Either he can counter maidana assaults, and circle him. Or he just can’t. We will see. But I still have to lean towards Floyd because he is that smart. Maidana is smart too. But I think he will be surprised on how really smart Floyd is this second fight. Like I said,” we will see”.Posted August 8, 2014 11:30 pm
Are you Pacquiaos accountant or are you so “LOYAL”to him that you start to make up sh%t to defend him….Sounds like HOMO sh#t if ask me.Posted August 8, 2014 11:01 pm
Maidana proved he can forced Floyd against the ropes and hurt him. He also showed that he has better head movement and that he can out jab Floyd. The problem was that Marcos threw singles jabs allowing Floyd to counter with right hands which is his best punch. To avoid this Marcos has to throw triple jabs duck an throw the right hook to the body follow by a left hook to the body or head. This is easier said than done but with good training it can be done. Finally in the last few fights Chino has showed that he is still improving and if he continues that trend he will win the fight but it has to be by KO, he won’t get the decision unless he wins 10 rounds.In regards to the fouls both men were at fault, Floyd uses his elbow and forearm illegally and he turns his back too.Posted August 8, 2014 10:13 pm
“Boxing in front of a mirror is NOT shadowboxing.”-The POINT remains the same. Whatever the TBE is doing that is related to Boxing DO IT.Posted August 8, 2014 8:20 pm
“Boxtra$$wipe by hole-in-rubber stupidity.” SO Boxtra$$wipe by hib-dee-bib-dee. YOU still need to go enroll in some SENTENCE CONSTRUCTION courses.Posted August 8, 2014 8:19 pm
“Too bad vagina’s don’t grow balls.”-YES. TOO bad for YOU.Posted August 8, 2014 8:18 pm
CORRECTION…..I’d rather duplicate what the #1 rated Boxer on the Planet DOES rather than listen to what the #5,999,999,999 NON rated Boxer says DO.Posted August 8, 2014 8:17 pm
“I am going with Miadana, he won the first fight,”
That’s the way I scored it, Fighting Words.Posted August 8, 2014 7:15 pm
“IF he shadow Boxes with 3lb dumbbells DO it.”
Boxing in front of a mirror is NOT shadowboxing.Posted August 8, 2014 7:13 pm
““Boxtra$$wipe by hole in rubber stupidity.”-In other words..Boxtra$$wipe by Hibdeebibdee. ????? DOES that even make sense???? Nope. Go take you some SENTENCE CONSTRUCTION courses.”
Oh, excuse me. Let me hypnenate: Boxtra$$wipe by hole-in-rubber stupidity. Got it now, girlie girl?Posted August 8, 2014 7:12 pm
“I’d rather duplicate what the #1 rated Boxer on the Planet DOES …”
No chance of that, Boxtra$$wipe. You have to grow a pair of balls first. Too bad vagina’s don’t grow balls.Posted August 8, 2014 7:10 pm
SLAUGHTERHOUSE WIN by Porter.Posted August 8, 2014 7:10 pm
Porter by Right hand point blank on the CHIN stoppage.Posted August 8, 2014 7:09 pm
@Boxtradamus: Alright then tell me your final prediction for the Porter vs Brook fight.Posted August 8, 2014 7:04 pm
Floyd is going sprinkle and POUR shots on Maidana from the head and to the body. LEGAL shots though. Maidana will be in survival mode by round 9. In the late rounds he’s going to need the knockout and being the WILD MANIAC that he IS he will go for it. That’s going to open him UP to some REAL punishment unless the sharp counter shots knock some SENSE into him to Fight very SAFELY….Either way its a DOMINANT WIN for Mayweather. 47-0!! WOW!!!!!!!Posted August 8, 2014 7:02 pm
“Boxtra$$wipe by hole in rubber stupidity.”-In other words..Boxtra$$wipe by Hibdeebibdee. ????? DOES that even make sense???? Nope. Go take you some SENTENCE CONSTRUCTION courses.Posted August 8, 2014 6:58 pm
“So go fight in Argentina you chickensh*t.”-Nope. Go take you some READING courses you DOLT. He says that he wants to give the people what they want to SEE. The Biggest Gates in the History of Boxing are in America NOT Argentina. Therefore people want to SEE the Fight in America MORE than they want to SEE it in Argentina. They call that putting your MONEY where your MOUTH is.Posted August 8, 2014 6:55 pm
1. #1 P4P Floyd Mayweather
2. #4 P4P Manny Pacquiao
3.- 100. are ALL IRRELEVANT.Posted August 8, 2014 6:52 pm
I’d rather duplicate what the #1 rated Boxer on the Planet DOES rather than to listen to what the #5,999,999 NON rated Boxer says DO.Posted August 8, 2014 6:48 pm
Fight Aficionado-Whatever Floyd does, DO IT. IF its helping HIM to be the TBE then its bound to help YOU TOO. IF he shadow Boxes with 3lb dumbbells DO it. IF he uses Xylocaine USE IT. IF he runs at 3am DO IT. IF he beats on his ex WIFE DON”T DO that but anything related to Boxing go ahead and follow the guy leading the way on the Yellow brick ROAD to GOATNESS.Posted August 8, 2014 6:45 pm
Doc Holiday-Whether you like MY predictions or not is not a factor. I’m a PRIME TIME WINNNER who KNOWS that he doesn’t know everything but I know a LOT about Boxing. I rarely change what I say and I DO admit when I’m wrong. That’s why I admit that I am only CORRECT 95% of the time instead of 100%. I’m a TRUTH teller, a FACT stater, and the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!!!…..And what a SUCKER says on the SIDELINES won’t change it.Posted August 8, 2014 6:42 pm
D thanks for the info. I’m not a current boxer though, I just shadow box with weights as part of a broader fitness program. When I did box we used shadowboxing just to warmup before hitting the bags and sparring.Posted August 8, 2014 5:01 pm
@Anonymous you’re being sarcastic right?Posted August 8, 2014 4:46 pm
Manny would be able to stop Maidana…if they ever faced floyd its a phony….only brainless fans are the ones who follow this clown. ….Manny would beat him up..thats why he so scared ha ha ha haPosted August 8, 2014 4:41 pm
Why is Pacquiao even mentioned? This is clearly Maidana vs MayweatherPosted August 8, 2014 4:37 pm
I am going with Miadana, he won the first fight, the reason why Mayweather is giving a rematch. Mayweather have problems with volume punches fighters. In first fight Miadana out jabbed Mayweather the first half of the fight. I look for Miadana to put the jabs together along with the pressure. Mayweather don’t move like he used to when he ran into this type of fighter. Miadana riding high on confidence due to his performance in the first fight, he realized that Mayweather is not that immortal boxer people think he is. Miadana by late round TKO or UDPosted August 8, 2014 4:35 pm
Bobo, sorry, it was Panama Al Brown that was from Mexico, Bones was from LouisianaPosted August 8, 2014 4:14 pm
we’re showing our age Bobo, ha haPosted August 8, 2014 4:09 pm
Bo Bo Olson
It was Bones Brown. The man was One and Only Champion of the world back in the day for Seven Years in the ’50’s.
Didn’t know he was from Mexico.
The reason Boxing went from number two sport to nowhere in that and the start of the next decade was the Neilson rating box was not in bars.
Mayweather will box this time and make it an easier fight for him.Posted August 8, 2014 3:35 pm
“Floyd by RABBIT taming stoppage”
Boxtra$$wipe by hole in rubber stupidity.Posted August 8, 2014 3:32 pm
“shadow boxing is for studying your form and technique in the mirror, not for strength or endurance. wrap hands and sbox ungloved, sans dumbbells”
Shadowboxing with dumbells kills two birds with one stone. Every trainer has his own techniques. You can’t legitimately make a blanket statement that shadowboxing with 3 lb. dumbells overworks a fighter’s biceps. How do you know they are overworked? You are just surmising.Posted August 8, 2014 3:31 pm
Pactards r us
D STFUPosted August 8, 2014 2:55 pm
@afficionado,,, shadow boxing with 3lb dumbbells doesn’t give you more endurance or make you punch harder or faster. it overworks your biceps. you may already spar up to 12 rounds with much heavier gloves than you fight with so you don’t need that.
shadow boxing is for studying your form and technique in the mirror, not for strength or endurance. wrap hands and sbox ungloved, sans dumbbells
for strength, the better balance between biceps and triceps the better and faster you punch. plyometric pushups and pullups with gymnastic rings for flexibility work well. pushups tend to build out your chest more than you need – so slight incline bench presses with dumbbells that you can do between 10 and 15 fairly narrow and tight reps with, while rotating your wrists and working full range, and for 3 sets, works better. add weight when you can do 3 sets of 15 very easily. do them 3 x weekPosted August 8, 2014 2:50 pm
bobo- joe bones brown,,,,from mexico, if my memory serves mePosted August 8, 2014 2:46 pm
Wouldn’t mind seeing MM KO Floyd, unless Floyd is planning to fight Pac is he wins this fight. I’m a bit tired of seeing Floyd count his $ while 46 million Americans are on food stamps during the Obama/Biden administration.Posted August 8, 2014 2:39 pm
Off topic: Sergio Martinez is being under psychiatric treatment and can’t sleep at night. He has also said: “he wasn’t himself during the Cotto-fight”, but nothing about the knee is mentioned. Source: Second largest Argentinian newspaper clarin.Posted August 8, 2014 2:23 pm
Interesting it looks like Floyd uses 3 lb dumbells for shadow boxing. I use 5 lbs but might have to change that.Posted August 8, 2014 1:44 pm
REAL TALKPosted August 8, 2014 1:33 pm
Floyd is going to box more in the center than on the ropes Floyd will win by ud or late KoPosted August 8, 2014 1:21 pm
Sorry for the double comments.Posted August 8, 2014 1:04 pm
Bo bo Olson. Your right. You watch the boxers to see how they handle the brawlers. More interesting than brawlers. But! One thing I’m not going for is how people say maidana is a brawler. Yes he is, and swings in looping angles. But I feel he can also box. Just flatfooted. He can bang. He can punch, he can jab. He has a he’ll of a right hand, and a left hook. Great body shots. And now good head movement, and waist bending. He keeps his hands up. Been watching him for years since he would enter the ring with the bald head and sunglasses looking like a bumble bee. Most of all, he has 100% heart. Good fighter. Lots of improvement. Floyd better be more than ready than the first fight because I bet maidana feels 100% that he can knock Floyd out. And guess what? I think he can. But I’m still leaning towards Floyd. Real talk. I’ve watched the maidana broner,and maidana Floyd over and over.Posted August 8, 2014 1:03 pm
Bo bo Olson. Your right. You watch the boxers to see how they handle the brawlers. More interesting than brawlers. But! One thing I’m not going for is how people say maidana is a brawler. Yes he is, and swings in looping angles. But I feel he can also box. Just flatfooted. He can bang. He can punch, he can jab. He has a he’ll of a right hand, and a left hook. Great body shots. And now good head movement, and waist bending. He keeps his hands up. Been watching him for years since he would enter the ring with the bald head and sunglasses looking like a bumble bee. Most of all, he has 100% heart. Good fighter. Lots of improvement. Floyd better be more than ready than the first fight because I bet maidana feels 100% that he can knock Floyd out. And guess what? I think he can. But I’m still leaning towards Floyd. Real talk.Posted August 8, 2014 1:02 pm
Bo Bo Olson
For folks that know what footwork is…with a clean ref, it will be a boxing lesson.
Bones some one, from the’50’s. Can’t come up with his name. Was only one of the lighter weights one and only champions for @ seven years….a real feather fisted awkaward guy. Boring even then. To boring for free TV even.
Yep, some times ya got to put up with pure boxers.Posted August 8, 2014 12:43 pm
I JUST WANT TO SEE WHO FLOYD’S FIGHTING IN MAY.Posted August 8, 2014 12:32 pm
O B 1
Where’s DOC?????Posted August 8, 2014 12:29 pm
pactards r us
Yeah I see what you’re saying but the topic makes its way everywhere anyways….Posted August 8, 2014 12:27 pm
I don’t know, but if your name is “pactards r us” and you’re talking about him in a piece that has nothing to do with him, you might look to others like you’re a bit obsessed yourself.Posted August 8, 2014 12:22 pm
Oh u must b referring to 2nd to nun.Yeah he’s an idiot!!!Posted August 8, 2014 12:20 pm
Very much looking forward to the fight, I have no prediction, will just fill the fridge full of beer, pay my money and be happy. Hope Maidana can land something of note to make it interesting, his skill level will not win him many rounds.Posted August 8, 2014 12:10 pm
So you watch every Pac fight then, including his back catalogue? Sounds like you’re a little obsessed with the guy.Posted August 8, 2014 12:00 pm
pactards r us
I expect Mayweather to own the kid but I’m waiting for the Algieri fight and expecting Algieri to shock the world. Won’t be much of a shock though, I’ve already seen Pacquiao lose 5x…..Posted August 8, 2014 11:52 am
Well…..I’m your huckleberryPosted August 8, 2014 11:45 am
Moving on to the main subject. I predict a knockdown for Maidana and a Disqualification for him as wellPosted August 8, 2014 11:44 am
Floyd whips him good mayweather ko maidana in the 11th or 12th roundPosted August 8, 2014 11:41 am
@Boxtradamus : I used to like your predictions but through time I realized you were just a little loser that thinks he knows everything. You always change what you say and you never admit when you’re wrong. I never commented on this, but i’m doing it now just to let you know that you’re a real piece of $hît, BoxtradamusPosted August 8, 2014 11:40 am
Floyd by RABBIT taming stoppagePosted August 8, 2014 11:31 am