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Posted October 24, 2012 12:41 pm 


Well, them is the rules, Titopa. Nothing we can do about it. But I don’t disagree with them either. Both fighters knew they had an obligation to make weight, they agreed to make weight, a title and purse depended on making weight, and by golly, if ya have any pride and respect ya gotta make weight! Too much of this not-making-weight crap going on in the past two years. MAKE WEIGHT, FOOLS!!

Posted October 23, 2012 6:28 pm 

big head

yeah but besides cano not making weight he a good fighter cant take that away for him he solid he got a good jab his technique and timing is good he tough with heart hope next time he make weight tho cano and jossito lopez would be a good matchup

Posted October 22, 2012 11:39 pm 


another poor ass decision by the silly scoring!
Malignaggi did not win this fight!

Not as bad as the decision for Pac and Tim losser but damn close!

Posted October 22, 2012 9:57 pm 

the chad

Robbery of the night

Posted October 22, 2012 9:25 pm 


Hidalgo – I understand why Cano could NOT win it had he defeated Paulie…because he came in overweight. When Morales fought Garcia (the first time), Morales lost the title on the scales, Garcia was allowed to fight for the title, but if he had lost, the title would’ve been vacant. So, if the challenger does NOT make weight, the titlist/champ gets to keep it, WIN or LOSE? Win I understand, but lose? Hmmm!

Posted October 22, 2012 8:10 pm 


Hidalgo – No. But I heard (on the telecast) that even if he had LOST he’d get to keep it. Is that a rule that’s been around? if so, damn I’ve been slackin’

Posted October 22, 2012 8:08 pm 


“What I wanna know is, why was Paulie allowed to keep his title…” Titopa, if you read the rules you’ll see why.” Cano didn’t make weight so he forfeited any opportunity to take the title from Paulie. He also had to pay a financial penalty which Paulie will benefit from. It’s not a new rule–been around for a while.

Posted October 22, 2012 7:56 pm 


What I wanna know is, why was Paulie allowed to keep his title, win or lose? I totally understand why Cano couldn’t win it (overweight), but Paulie keeps it either way? Hmmm. Wouldn’t it become vacant had he lost? I don’t get it.

Posted October 22, 2012 7:21 pm 


Agreed Big Head! Cano couldn’t win the belt even if he KOD Paulie in the 1st. Coming in overweight for the title shot is crazy let alone disrespecting the sport and your opponent. On that note I feel Cano actually won 7-5 but NO WAY was a roberry

Posted October 22, 2012 6:42 pm 


Pauly lost hands down, I like the kid, but he has no business fighting anymore. Although he got the nod, he looked really bad against a C level fighter at best.

Posted October 22, 2012 6:38 pm 



Posted October 22, 2012 6:37 pm 

big head

it dnt matter cano still didn make weight he should be treated like everybody else that didn make weight regardless how many pounds it was jonathan gonzales didn make weight everybody was bashing him to why should cano get a free pass the thing is he was a lightweight and he still didn make the weight or even try to make it

Posted October 22, 2012 6:33 pm 


When was Paulie this great mover? Even back in 2008 basic pressure fighters like Lovemore Ndou and Herman Ngoudjo were finding him without any problems, good pressure fighters like Hatton and Cotto were busting him up.
The biggest props I give to Paulie are for his heart in the Cotto fight, and his follow-up to the Diaz fight.
People forget with the Cotto fight that they brought the weigh in forward to give Cotto extra time to recover from making weight. That was Cotto’s last fight at the weight where he was a monster rather than a boxer and he fractured Paulies Cheek but the guy kept going.
The Diaz victory/ies has to be seen in the context of Diaz stepping up after losing 2 of his last 3/4 fights and having just been knocked out by JMM, but I give props to him for performing away from home against an active pressure fighter when I thought he was pretty much finished.

I like that a guy like Paulie can still carve out a career without being a banger, it shows that this is BOXING not fighting, but at the end of the day Paulie has never actually been as slick as he thinks he is.

Posted October 22, 2012 6:18 pm 


Cano came in 1/2 pound over floyd vs Marquez 2lbs,Broner vs escobedo 3 1/2.Nobody’s arguing cano deserved the title just that he deserved to win stop whining & bs.

Posted October 22, 2012 4:20 pm 


The first barclay center home cooked decision of many more to come.Cano landed more power punches was the one engaging knocked paulie down what more does he need to do??I like paulie but he did not win this fight I didn’t expect him like Williams vs Martinez/lara or alxander/judah vs matthysse to accept they lost especially in their hometown/country.Definitely didn’t expect no Mexican to get a fair decision in brooklyn.Trout biased #ss & paulis buddy had him winning by 5 but then berntien & his partner made him feel stupid so he decided calling it more honestly & had pauli losing.Was a close fight but not as close as people make it seem you can clearly see cano wins the fight by 2-3 points.

Posted October 22, 2012 4:15 pm 

big head

i dnt see why everybody giving cano a pass for not making weight but everybody was bashing adrien broner for not making weight and jonathan gonzales weight or not he still proably would gave paulie a tough fight but that still not a excuse to not make weight he had a size advantage

Posted October 22, 2012 3:54 pm 


sorry kid blast i dont agree with u at all about paulies chin, maybe i could understand ur other points but the chin being suspect that is def not true, hes got one of the best chins in the sport

Posted October 22, 2012 3:49 pm 

Kid Blast

Oh yes, I saw the fight as a draw.

Posted October 22, 2012 3:35 pm 

Kid Blast

I like Paulie as a commentator and as a neat kind of flake, but his best days in the ring are behind him. Staying in the pocket to fight some guy you can’t hurt but who can hurt you is not a smart move. PM’s expends a lot of energy by his shaking in place kind of MO, but it does him little good. He has no power, his chin is suspect, and his legs seemed used up. Time for a big payday and adios to boxing. It’s witten on the wall.

Cano, if he can ovcercome his cuts, can be a real force. He is one tough hombre.

Posted October 22, 2012 3:34 pm 


i was there and was upset at the fact that paulie fought the way he did and was getting hit with shots that he never would get hit with, which made the fight look closer that it really was imo

Posted October 22, 2012 3:29 pm 


titopa i agree with u he wasnt using his legs like he usually does but i think its because he has so much pride that when he fights at home he feels like he has to put on a toe to toe type fight which i dont agree with i feel he should do what he does best and thats to move around the ring and be elusive like he normally does and take the points win and move on. i also feel like once he saw haw bad the cut was he wanted to try and get it stopped like his last fight in russia which was obviously a mistake on his part but i think he won the fight on him having a bad night vs a guy much younger than him on his best night.

Posted October 22, 2012 3:26 pm 


FIGHTIN SOLVES ALL – His legs aren’t the same anymore…he lacks the movement he once possessed. He’s A LOT more hit-able now…that’s why Cano (a slower fighter) was able to tag him repeatedly.

Posted October 22, 2012 3:21 pm 


everyone is entitled to having an off night but the thing is even having an off night he was still able to win this fight and cano prob had his best night of his career

Posted October 22, 2012 2:43 pm 


hey everyone has there own opinion, thats y boxing always has differing results cause its all upto the indiv watching it and what they favor, but imo paulie did enough in each round to win def 7 or maybe 8 of them. but in saying that i also thought paulie wasnt fighting his normal style which is move his legs beautifully and frustrate his opponents with movement and that fast jab wasnt used as much as normal

Posted October 22, 2012 2:42 pm 


SREDMOND – I’m not claiming someone was dominated…it was close, but not as close as some say it was. In trades and fighting in the pocket, Cano landed the harder/cleaner shots, Paulie was backed up several times and his punches (other than cutting a peach skinned Cano) didn’t have much effect, Cano continuously pressed and he never led up, throwing various punches, dropping Paulie and hurting him moments later…the 109-118 was ridiculous! But I had it 114-113 for Cano, because although I felt Cano’s punches had more “effect” on Paulie, I DID score the blood.

Posted October 22, 2012 2:05 pm 


Watched the fight a second time and am convinced that Paulie outboxed Cano. Watched the knockdown a few times and although Paulie took a clean shot the punch turned his head just as Paulie was turning his head. Paulie rose qtickly and did not stagger. Paulie should go back to his old style if his legs will allow.

Posted October 22, 2012 2:04 pm 


Titopia, we TOTALLY disagree on this bout you are acting like someone got dominated in this contest which simply did NOT happen…. It was a CLOSE fight, where the amount of activity produced by Malignaggi proved the deciding fact…. He did indeed DAMAGE Cano’s face and had BOTH eyes swollen… Dismissing the damage Paulie caused Cano is not objective when taking reality into account of the bout…Cano had some good moments and he had a chance to KO the hometown fighter BUT he failed to get the results and lost….

Posted October 22, 2012 1:56 pm 


Titopia, we cannot dismiss the damage that Malignaggi caused Cano because of “scar tissue” the reality is that legal blows caused the injuries and its not about power shots for Paulie its accumulation…I was at the fight and saw no basis to consider this even close to a robbery…It was a close bout but Paulie got the nod…If we are going to label every fight a robbery over hairsplitting wins then boxing is going to become more ridiculous than it already is at times..

Posted October 22, 2012 1:51 pm 


i cant stand all the knuckle heads that call this a robbery. its so annoying to hear this nonsense about robbery, its used way to loosely. please people stop using that word for every fight that u disagree with the out come. but imo paulie pulled it off by a round or 2. please paulie go back to your old ways of moving your legs and popping that jab and you will be fine going forword

Posted October 22, 2012 1:36 pm 


i thought malignaggi won the fight, he was able to out box the guy n get off better even tho he isnt a big puncher his power was enough to cut the kid up reallly badly with that quick hard jab he throws-u got the win paulie but u gotta be better to keep that title vs better opposion which i know u can cause ive seen it over the years

Posted October 22, 2012 1:31 pm 


paulie won the fight, it was not his best performance by far but he was able to win it by 1 or 2 pts imo. the cano kid was tough and landed some big shots but that doesnt win the fight. the compu box #s are such nonsense as well and i totally agree with paulie on that. paulie didnt have a good night but he pulled it off.

Posted October 22, 2012 1:28 pm 




Posted October 22, 2012 1:27 pm 


SREDMOND – Don’t forget that Cano had SEVERE scar tissue around the eye that opened up….it was hardly Paulie’s “power shots”. Every time Cano landed, Paulie winced in pain and was hurt several times. Cano’s punches landed with a thud and all Paulie really had was a jab and a right hand, Cano landed a variety of punches, he dropped Paulie and almost did it again moments later. Paulie was outworked, not outboxed.

Posted October 22, 2012 12:36 pm 


Paulie LOST! Anyone who knows how to score a fight should agree. Cano simply landed the harder, cleaner and more effective shots.

Posted October 22, 2012 12:34 pm 


Paulie did enough to win plain and simple…. Cano was solid yet plodding and he was outworked as it pertains to volume… Malignaggi blew his face wide open so pretending Pablo was waxing the Magic Man is ridiculous.. The two judges gave the hometown fighter the bout by virtue of 1 point so this was a very reasonable interpretation of the action… I am not some huge Malignaggi fan but those are the facts, Cano it a bleeder and he might wanna work on his defense given that issue…

Posted October 22, 2012 12:09 pm 

Daly jr

I see you dont deny sucking off a horse

Posted October 22, 2012 11:34 am 

Daly jr

Tumbo………….. Shag sheep? Im not welsh. Dela hoya and Barrera happen to be 2 of my favourite boxers of all time. So theres 2 parts of your argument blown out the water. You appreciate no boxer who isnt Mexican, so you are the fan boy, stick to shaging taccos!!! In response to your comment on disregarding 1 or 2 rounds going the other way, there were some rounds which could have gone either way, but its all too easy to scream robbery when the decision doesnt go your way. Paullie was the home fighter too so you know most close rounds will go to him. But even if it was on nuetral ground i still say Paullie won by 1 maybe 2 rounds

Posted October 22, 2012 11:32 am 

te tumbo

“But you’re citing Al Bernstein and Steve Farhood, whom I respect, as the sources for your argument”. NOPE. i’m citing Bernsteing and Trout both of whom scored the fight for Cano along with Farhood. that’s three actual ringside experts and one experienced fight-fan. unfortunately, your ego just can’t stand not knowing WTF you’re talking bout but Bernstein, Trout, and Farhood do with this fight-fan’s approval. “debate” is futile.

Posted October 22, 2012 11:01 am 

te tumbo

“all the commentators + the hosts and studio guests + myself gave it to Paullie by a close but unanimus decision”. if it was such a “close” decision, why do you completely disregard a one or two-point shift in Cano’s favor? You are a serial hater of Mexicans and clearly Stupid. i put it to you that you are a fanboy NOT a fight-fan. please abandon my favorite sport and stick to shagging sheep.

Posted October 22, 2012 10:56 am 

te tumbo

“I’m not going to waste my time debating anything with you”. HERRON, you’ve made this promise before but seem unable to keep it(?). i would like to challenge you to try harder. otherwise, i have zero tolerance for pompous “experts” determined to dominate every boxing discussion by browbeating the same fight-fans who pay the bills and make the sport possible. besides, there is no “expert” whose ever become rich off of their picks, which frequently reveal their own biases, agenda, and simple lack of common sense when it comes to evaluating a Fight. “rational debate” isn’t possible with these fat heads, only grinning and bearing it, which i feel no obligation to do. particularly in deference to a presumed “expert’s” bloated ego. GoodBye.

Posted October 22, 2012 10:52 am 


The Malignaggi fight was NOT a robbery… This term is getting bandied about so much that its becoming and insult to TRUE robberies (Bradley/Pacquiao)….. Reality is that Paulie was more active and Cano landed the harder shots…. Cano’s face did not look like that because he was NOT getting tagged, the boy was shredded…. The two judges who had Paulie winning by 1 point were very on point as it pertains to scoring… The outlier is NOT worth mentioning he is an idiot to say the least….Guys promoting Cano as being jobbed are basing too much on the KD which was solid but not a tide changer…

Posted October 22, 2012 10:31 am 

From Detroit

I think Paulie won.

Posted October 22, 2012 10:12 am 

Daly jr

and i put it to you, that you sucked off a horse !!!

Posted October 22, 2012 8:48 am 

Daly jr

Tumbo…………… I watched on box nation (uk tv) and all the commentators + the hosts and studio guests + myself gave it to Paullie by a close but unanimus decision. You are a serial hater of Malignaggi, and clearly mexican. I put it to you that you are a FIGHTER fan, not a FIGHT fan

Posted October 22, 2012 8:45 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

I see it all. Hatton beats Malignaggi & Brook takes out Alexander, thus lining up an all English WBA/IBF unification.

Posted October 22, 2012 8:34 am 


Talk about his power. Before saturday his two previous wins came as a KO. I think there is a bit of power there but he aint sure how to usr it right

Posted October 22, 2012 3:09 am 

top hat

Will he hold next time out. Talk of Kendel Holt stepping up a weight for his next defence. I think malignaggi is more than good enough to see off holt

Posted October 22, 2012 3:07 am 


*Hatton, Cotto and Khan.

Posted October 22, 2012 2:50 am 


Malignaggi isn`t that much of a master mover, he has a little pet defensive move where he bends down to his right that Khan exploited over and over again. He also had no answer when Khan would double or triple up jabs which negated the main thing he does well which is making people drop just short before firing back. He also couldn`t show much lateral movement vs Hatton which is a fight that cries out for it.
That isn`t to rag on him, the guys is clearly a very talented boxer, and has done as much as he could ever do with his lack of power, but the reality of the situation is that he might narrowly steal fights off of sub world class fighters like Ndou, Ngoudjo, Cano and Senchenko , but he has repeatedly failed when put in with the top tier like Hatton, Malignaggi and Khan.
He has never owned a world title belt, he has only ever been holding them very temporarily for one of the bigger fidh to take notice.

Posted October 22, 2012 2:49 am 


The question is what does paulie do now. He is still the champ but who is next. Boxers will que up for a shot. Mike jones was mentioned, paulie will go safe to keep the title im sure

Posted October 22, 2012 1:48 am 

Boxing passion

Listen up retards cano got straight robbed and like I said im a bxing fan not a fighter fan.

Posted October 22, 2012 1:30 am 

ur father

Yes Te tumbo Trout scored it for cano also but what rounds? Because after 5 he Malignaggi was up 5 -0 on the Trout card so that means they ended up with the same scorecard but they were all giving different rounds to malignaggi making it a diificult fight to score score? Get your game up Malignaggi won this fight. Berenstein was influecing trout and the Public. A lot of people i spoke to Had malignaggi winning easy. It depends what your looking for in a fight. And dont say Cano outlanded Malignaggi because Compubox say so. That BS punches that land on your arms are not body shots. Paulie controlled and dominated the fight

Posted October 21, 2012 11:10 pm 


Paulie has great movement and a good amount of flair but he has no power and unfortunately that is some thing at this stage in his career he can’t change. So, taking that into consideration, unless
he focuses more on his defensive skills,
and movement he’ll continue to win by the narrowest margins. Looking back that’s the way its always been with this guy… he’s reminds me a lot of Peter Manfredo who has a lion’s heart but little power.

Posted October 21, 2012 9:04 pm 

Joseph Herron

There are a lot of flaws in the current scoring system in boxing and it’s very subjective.

It’s pointless to debate with you because you don’t want to listen, Tumbo.

Until you have the capacity to think about what anyone else is telling you, I’m not going to waste my time debating anything with you.

I’m going to address this on the show tonight, so if you feel like tuning in…the link is on the press release.

When you feel like discussing something rationally, you can email me at [email protected]

Posted October 21, 2012 8:55 pm 

Joseph Herron

Lol…it’s funny that the fighter on the broadcast scored the fight from Paulie.

But you’re citing Al Bernstein and Steve Farhood, whom I respect, as the sources for your argument.

lol…just stop it Tumbo!!

Posted October 21, 2012 8:52 pm 

te tumbo

“you guys are forgetting that a prizefight is scored on a round by round basis with a ten point must system”. every Showtime ringside scorer –including Al Bernstein and an active fighter– scored it according to your criteria and they scored the bout for Cano. it’s a good idea for you to cite another priority and bail before you begin to get seriously embarrassed around here . . . I can guarantee it . . . :twisted:

Posted October 21, 2012 8:45 pm 

Joseph Herron

Lol…I will, because throughout the entire debate, you guys are forgetting that a prizefight is scored on a round by round basis with a ten point must system.

Lol…you have to see the humor in that, Tumbo.

Now if you don’t mind, I hae a show to prepare for.

Posted October 21, 2012 8:32 pm 

te tumbo

“I don’t care what idiots gave this fight to Freitas… It shouldn’t have been difficult to score. You land more clean punches… You do more damage… You land at a higher pecentage… That’s pretty basic stuff… Anyone with 20/20 vision and a brain should be able to handle it… Raheem is not a very good fighter–it was amateur hour–but he won handily” is actually a direct quote of Tarks that i occassionally trot out to bait pompous and presumed “experts” into contradicting another pompous and presumed “expert”. i wonder if Herron will have the balls to “lol” at Tark’s over-simplification of the “intricate and subjective art of boxing”? . . . (oh brother) . . . :rolleyes:

Posted October 21, 2012 8:24 pm 


I think paulie pulled it out but he is really not the same fighter he use to be. He is awful, and lucky to win this fight. In a rematch he may not be that lucky.

Posted October 21, 2012 7:17 pm 


I was going for Paulie, but reality is he lost. Not 11-1 like someone posted but 7-5 is more like it. Canos face tells a story of how the 11-1 is pretty much a reach. Either way Cano deserved the W and at least should rematch for the title (if he makes weight).

Posted October 21, 2012 6:38 pm 

Joseph Herron

“bottomline: you land more clean punches, you land at a higher pecentage, you win the fight. that’s pretty basic stuff. anyone without a bias, 20/20 vision, and a brain should be able to handle it.”

You guys are funny…for a pretty intricate and subjective art like boxing, pretty basic stuff, huh?!!


Posted October 21, 2012 6:21 pm 

te tumbo

Btw, i see Malignaggi undergoing the same transformation that the likes of whittaker did and Mayweather does as they age and moved up in weights. previously slick, quick, and elusive now slick, quick, but stationary without the stamina to sustain the conditioning needed to move their older and heavier bodies. at this point, it comes down to chin and punching power. i don’t believe Paulie has enough of either to last long v. any elite welter.

Posted October 21, 2012 6:05 pm 

te tumbo

Malignaggi’s choice to stand and trade in the pocket is the reason Cano was able to land so many more power punches and the unofficial win. just the same, when Malignaggi chose to box on the outside, Cano was pushing a relentless jab into his face. bottomline: you land more clean punches, you land at a higher pecentage, you win the fight. that’s pretty basic stuff. anyone without a bias, 20/20 vision, and a brain should be able to handle it. Cano isn’t the very bes welter out there but he won this bout handily.

Posted October 21, 2012 5:57 pm 


And them to hear his post fight interview in which he said he DOMINATED Cano made me sick. That guy has some serious brain damage. He annoys me to no end.

Posted October 21, 2012 5:23 pm 


My dislike for Malignaggi started with his big mouth and ego back in the amateurs. His ego makes him think he’s something special which he has never been. His face gets pummeled each and every time he fights, his style is frowned upon by most boxing fans because he fights like a 10 yr old amateur, he has no power, he’s never beaten any of the top guys, and theres’ no way in the world he won that fight last night. Subjective or not, those judges should be banned for scoring a pro fight and give him a decision. Pitty pat punches don’t count in pro boxing. Look at the guy’s face. Cano had a cut, but was nailing himwith hard shots all night, and if you don’t think GBP has anything to do with it, your crazy. Al Bernstein saying Malignaggi was a masterful boxer had me almost jumping off a bridge. A masterful boxer is Roy Jones, Sugar Ray Robinson or Floyd Mayweather, but to mention Malignaggi in the same sentence was a slap in the face to those AT Greats. I’ll give Malinaggi credit for being a Professional fighter, but the titles he won were against nobodies, and were given to him because GBP has a way of making things happen for their fighters. And that’s why I don’t like Paulie Malignaggi.

Posted October 21, 2012 5:17 pm 



Posted October 21, 2012 5:12 pm 


hecdog is the new chicago guy ……

Posted October 21, 2012 4:34 pm 


“The way he rolls with punches is absolutely masterful”


Posted October 21, 2012 3:48 pm 

Joseph Herron

Hecdog, what’s with all of the hatred thrown Malignaggi’s way?

Paulie’s a very good boxer who elects to stand in the pocket and trade with a fighter even though he almost always is outgunned.

He never runs from any fighter and always insists on trying to control the action with his jab and his subtle footwork.

The way he rolls with punches is absolutely masterful.

I do agree that his speed and reflexes aren’t what they used to be, but he is fighting at a much heavier weight than we’ve seen in the past.

Golden Boy does not protect Malignaggi. No one has ever protected Malignaggi. Scoring a fight is completely subjective and depends on the personal tastes and preferences of the person scoring the contest.

Malignaggi won last night’s bout. Paulie carved up poor Pablo’s face with his accurate jab and was consistently stepping around Cano then getting off as Cano was stepping toward Malignaggi, beating him to the punch all night long.

Posted October 21, 2012 2:34 pm 


Malignaggi is a BUM, and always has been. I’ve tried liking the guy, but he showed me last night why I can’t stand him. GBP pulls the strings for him to win. Those judges should be kicked and slapped for a few hours. Malignaggi thought he dominated? He’s been hit too much, and he needs to be abolished forever. Damn he’s horrible!

Posted October 21, 2012 2:15 pm 


That was a gift decision; I had the fight 11 rounds to 1 for Cano. It wasn’t even close. One of the judges had it right, the others don’t deserve to be boxing judges.

Posted October 21, 2012 1:40 pm 


Paulie has lost his speed and because he lacks the power to to have his oponent fight more cautiously they will go after him without fear . I like Paulie because he is a great defensive fighter but he will be KO’d in the late rounds bt the elite in his weight class.

Posted October 21, 2012 1:14 pm 


It’s a shame Paulie can’t KO my grandmother even with a sucker punch

Posted October 21, 2012 10:34 am 

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