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Gonzo the Dragonborn

Brother Swedish..

This part of your post is good.

”I mean I’m not a fan of Andre Ward”

Getting even better

”The only active fighters that I have hard time give proper credit for most of the times are Floyd Mayweather Jr”

However, you let yourself down badly here

”but Ward deserves his piece of deserved credit as he is an Olympic gold medalist and undefeated super middleweight world champion, that can’t be taken away from him.”

I’ll make a comprise with you. Some serious Floyd hate from you in the next few weeks might garner you a placement up in Tier 3. Fair enough?

Posted April 25, 2014 7:58 pm 

Coach Tim

But not as sick as the puppies on Tark.

Posted April 24, 2014 8:43 pm 

Coach Tim

Some sick puppies on esb.

Posted April 24, 2014 5:34 pm 


TARK talking nonsense again. Just like Grounghog Day, TARK opens his trap and horse manure flows from it. He can’t even admit when he was being schooled by Ivanov on another thread that he boasted he had 50 years plus as a trainer of champions in the game. TARK talks but does not engage his brain before he does and gets himself into pickle after pickle. On one thread he says precisely the opposite argument he delivers on another thread. To be frank I reckon he posts under different names and argues with himself, to try and keep his silly name relevant on here.
TARK, I would b£tch smack you into the concrete worse than Superman got dunked by that girl in Man of Steel, but as you are a senile, old b&st&rd with breath as retarded as your grey matter, I will give you a pass, old fool. Just keep your delusional, old fantasies of tying young men up in handcuffs and then probing them with your night stick, to yourself.

As I said before, you performing a citizen’s arrest is comical. Guffaw, guffaw!

Posted April 24, 2014 9:38 am 

Swedish Boxing Fan

Gonzo the Dragonborn – Hmm, Im afraid I cant just make trashtalk on Andre Ward or any good fighter possible.

I mean I’m not a fan of Andre Ward but Ward deserves his piece of deserved credit as he is an Olympic gold medalist and undefeated super middleweight world champion, that can’t be taken away from him.

The only active fighters that I have hard time give propper credit for most of the times are Felix Sturm, Floyd Mayweather Jr, David Haye or Chad Dawson but they are still good boxers but not always have made the best career moves or speak-outs to fans and critics.

So I’m sorry friend!

Posted April 24, 2014 4:51 am 


A citizen’s arrest wouldn’t be appropriate for you… A turd like you just needs to have a lot of dirt kicked on it by a mangy mutt, to rid the world of your stench, toad breath.

Posted April 23, 2014 6:25 pm 


TARK says

“About 20 years ago I did a citizen’s arrest on a guy wouldn’t shut his barking dogs up. Two other neighbors were annoyed with the jerk and they were farther away. I hired a lawyer for advice and did it by the book. My neighbor got fined and jailed after I took him in, swore out a very specific complaint, and the police were forced to do an investigation. He moved.”

Didn’t realise you were doing stand up, Tarky, old fruit!
The above has to be the funniest thing said on ESB for many a long year.
Keep up your Walter Mitty delusions. You must have been at least 50 odd, twenty years ago, so I’m sure this neighbour would’ve kicked your as(p)!

Citizen’s arrest! Don’t make us giggle.

Posted April 23, 2014 5:33 pm 


Listen to these 2 morons.

Posted April 23, 2014 4:17 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Brother Swedish.. I’m afraid we have reached an impasse here. Snaggletooth is your favourite fighter and probably my least favourite of all time. lol. I shall consult with my council regarding your Tier ranking though and see what their feelings are regarding this matter. Some insulting abusive posts about Andre Ward from yourself would certainly stand you in good stead though, Brother.

Posted April 23, 2014 2:44 pm 

Swedish Boxing Fan

Gonzo the Dragonborn – No problem my friend! Glad to help. Hmm thanks for the warning, but I must say that mabey you are to hard on your judgment on bernard Hopkins.

Hopkins is an All-Time-Greatest world champion of all times and have years ago proved his right to that list. A defenite top 10-15 most skilled boxer as well.

No one can ignore that if a man can still be champ at age 49 and defeat young boxers that is 19 years younger, you are special among all fighters.

Posted April 23, 2014 8:01 am 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

That’s just my take on it. Don’t like it? Think I’ve stepped over the line there? Fine. I’m cool with that. I’m not going to start waving the ban-hammer about just because we have differing opinions on certain subjects. Generally I try to refrain from wishing death on others as some feel it’s in bad taste. However, I do think there’s a huge difference between wishing death on someone and actively going out of your way to try to engineer or devise a plan to enable that to happen, which is exactly what I used to do before I had experienced my epiphany.

Posted April 23, 2014 7:39 am 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Personally, and I genuinely do mean this, I’d like to see serial cheating con-man Hopkins, that fat sack of rancid puss aka The Swiss Vampire Richard Schaefer, and that sly, scheming, insidious snake Haymon, all die in a plane crash. Harsh I know, but nonetheless absolutely warranted I feel. I wouldn’t mind if Bob Arum had a seat on that flight either.

Posted April 23, 2014 7:32 am 


Hopkins wouldn’t stand the chance of a snowflake in Hell if he fought Kovalev.

Posted April 22, 2014 11:43 pm 


Bernard’s legacy as an ATG is cemented. Stevenson or Kovalev will never reach his heights even if they beat him. Even if they win against X ( Alien) it won’t be a thrashing as some bigots, haters like Squared circle and Hidalgo are hoping for. Hopkins is an overachiever.

Posted April 22, 2014 9:00 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Vegetable Brain PEEJ.. I’m still waiting for you to tally that number up for me, Brother.

Posted April 22, 2014 8:25 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

It’s fairly common for American fighters to have refs from neutral or even their own country when they fight over in Europe or on foreign shores.

Posted April 22, 2014 8:22 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

And to be perfectly frank you should really have at least a rudimentary grasp of Farsi in this day and age, Brother

Posted April 22, 2014 8:12 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

Thank you for taking the time to answer those questions Brother Swedish. I shall begin the evaluation process in due course. Although I must warn you in advance that your man love for that wretched ugly serial cheating bastard Snaggletooth and your grotesquely delusional steadfast insistence that the filthy dirty cheating cretin was robbed against Calzaghe will preclude you from ever attaining a placement above Tier Three.

Posted April 22, 2014 8:10 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

DMX.. Interesting titbit about Shabba Ranks. Shabba has turned his back on his musical career and has instead become a practitioner of the Dark Arts aka The Occult.

Mako sharks are indeed nippy little buggers. Aggressive too. Sadly they’re on the endangered species list now.

Yes, I too get the impression that Swedish would be more of a Beenie Man type of guy than a Chaka Demus & Pliers one.

Nope. I’m afraid you are both wrong. The shark in question that I was thinking of was in fact a loan shark. Loan sharks are the only species of shark that I would like to see wiped of the face of the Earth.

Whale sharks are awesome, brother. I’ve had a soft spot for that particular species since early childhood.

Posted April 22, 2014 8:04 pm 


B-Hop doesn’t expect to get past Stevenson. But he knows boxing is a game of odds. You always have a chance to lose and a chance to win, but if you don’t play you have no chance.

He thinks he has a chance to get lucky because Adonis has been KO’d by a low caliber fighter. Adonis has been shaken a few times too. Bernard has never been stopped himself and he’s been hit pretty good.

Bernard is not a puncher and doesn’t KO light heavyweights, but the way Adonis lines you up and loads up his straight left, you WILL get the chance to get him with a short right hander if you’re alert. I thought B-Hop was looking for a big shot vs Calzaghe because he gives you big openings too, even though his chin was real good. B-Hop waited too much and didn’t take enough cuts.

An old fighter with a fading punch can definitely get you.

Michael Moorer had never been kocked out but Foreman knew he had a weak chin. Holyfield decked MM with a weak punch, and Moorer got shaken up a lot by weak punches. He was a light heavyweight for a long time. It was the only KO punch Foreman threw in his last 7 fights, but he knew he would get the chance.

James Toney’s shot at Michael Nunn took all night. You just have to be ready. A big punching southpaw will give you that opportunity.

Posted April 22, 2014 1:53 pm 

Fight Aficionado

“Man, Bhop has had some boring fights in his career… and that’s an understatement. But Saturday night he was brilliant. It was like watching Da Vinci paint on a canvas. Like his fights against Pavlik, Trinidad, etc… It’ll be a sad day when Bhop retires.” – Cosign Philly.

Posted April 22, 2014 1:35 pm 


tone – ur a dunce! stop with the stereotype crap! youre promoting foolishness!

Posted April 22, 2014 1:13 pm 

A Garcia

Haters trying to down BHop, if your not 49yrs old when you are try jogging around the block for36 min with your hands above your chest nd some one throwing punches at the same time.younger fighters should be beating BHop. Just like Canelo should of beat Floyd, 22 yr old Canelo. Canelo vs BHop At 160lbs, Alien vs illegal Alien

Posted April 22, 2014 12:15 pm 


“You have to admit that the Alien mask is interesting.”

No, you really don’t. It’s cheap and tacky and embarrassing. Squared-Circle put it best lower down the thread:

“I said the exact same thing about Popkins back when he used to wear that stupid @$$ executioner mask into the ring. I really didn’t think he could make it any more WWE, but he proved me wrong. The whole alien mask and costume is just plain ridiculous. It’s a laughable joke and cheapens the sport of boxing for everyone.

But clearly, Popkins could give a sh*t less about disrespecting the sport that’s made him very rich and famous. Disrespecting the rich history of the boxing and all the great fighters that came before him who built the sport.”

Posted April 22, 2014 8:57 am 



Well, we’ll just have to wait and see. Good to see you talking about something other than you-know-who anyway.


I agree that Hopkins fights never seem to get out of first gear: as I said several times below, he is the great spoiler. It’s not much fun to watch (though admittedly it’s not so bad when he’s fighting vastly less experienced fighters like Shumenov, which allows him to put on a boxing masterclass.)

Posted April 22, 2014 8:49 am 


B-Hop is stuck in the Al Haymond BS war with every other promoter in the biz. That’s why he won’t mention Kovalev. Ridiculous. #dontThankAlHaymond

Posted April 22, 2014 8:12 am 


Sweedy Pie very quiet
But I’d say he is more of a Shabba or Beanie Man fan,
I love sharks, the fastest being the mako is one of my favourites
The biggest and slowest being the whale is rubbish and reminds me of Odlandier Solis

Posted April 22, 2014 7:42 am 

Ray Ray

Hang on a minute…..isn’t Hopkins the guy that is trying 2 unify every strap in the weight? I’m no genus but does that mean he will fight Kovalev if successfull? What’s Kovalev waiting 4? So a 49yr old is going old school & showing the pups what champs should do…….

Posted April 22, 2014 5:41 am 


Bernard will not even say the name Kovalev, at all, and he has a belt to unify with.
You have to admit that the Alien mask is interesting. It won’t help him against Kovalev.

Posted April 22, 2014 2:43 am 



Posted April 22, 2014 1:56 am 


Winnable fight for B hop.

Posted April 22, 2014 1:46 am 


Floyd is the master craftsman and number one P4P boxer… Bernard is the antique you want to toss because it’s falling apart.

Posted April 22, 2014 1:31 am 


BHOP, master degree in boxing, while Floyd…high school GED

Posted April 22, 2014 12:44 am 


Anyone remember how BHOP fought a slugger ECHOLS?
I seem BHOP doing same thing with ADONIS.

Posted April 22, 2014 12:41 am 

Big Ham

Hopkins is amazing still doing his thing at this age. I do think Stevenson and Krusher will be a bit to much for him. One thing about Hopkins that should not be overrated is that even during his prime there were guys out there that Could beat him. Really talented elite fighters his own size. Not really talented former welterweights. Bernard lost to Dawson recently, and he bounced back against 3 fighters that were not quite at Chad’s level (his level at the time). I regard Krusher and Stevenson much higher than Chad Dawson.

Posted April 22, 2014 12:40 am 


He looks more like a baboon looking for ticks to pick out of her son’s head fur.

Posted April 22, 2014 12:39 am 


Superman ha ? If bhop beats this superfake it will b one of the most britespots of boxing that we will ever see .

Posted April 21, 2014 10:33 pm 


Stevenson looks like a grilla.

Posted April 21, 2014 10:29 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn aka King of the Vultures

Da Vinci? ROFL. More like watching Rolf Harris squirt out chicken Korma coloured diarrhea around the bowl and rim of some rank public toilets in a seedy area. Shumenov was absolutely terrible with a capital T. Poor guy was inactive and as rusty as the nuts and bolts of the Titantic. He moved like he was wearing concrete slippers, which is suicidal if you just stand there like a dumb statue with arms down by your sides. He was so open it was beyond funny. And he was clearly intimidated by the whole occasion and Hopkins’ mind games. That knockdown was ridiculous. Raymond Charles could’ve seen that coming in time and swerved out of the way. ROFL.

Posted April 21, 2014 9:40 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn aka King of the Vultures

Edit> ‘I’ not ‘I’ve’

Posted April 21, 2014 9:29 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn aka King of the Vultures

Swedish Boxing Fan.. I’m currently in the middle of my annual Tier ranking assessment and I’ve just need to ask you a few quick questions so I can evaluate your correct placement.

1. Are you fluent in Farsi?
2. What is your opinion of the music of 80s reggae sensations Chaka Demus & Pliers?
3. Have you or any members of your immediate family ever been bitten or mauled by a bear or a wolf?
4. At this present moment of time I’m visualizing a species of shark in my mind’s eye, can you guess what it is?

Thanks very much.

Posted April 21, 2014 9:28 pm 


Man, Bhop has had some boring fights in his career… and that’s an understatement. But Saturday night he was brilliant. It was like watching Da Vinci paint on a canvas. Like his fights against Pavlik, Trinidad, etc… It’ll be a sad day when Bhop retires.

Posted April 21, 2014 9:19 pm 


Ironically, I think Kovalev will make more money when he ends up fighting Bhop and with no risk of being KO’d. Although I think Kovalev would KO Stevenson within 5 rounds, Stevenson does have a punchers chance of surprising Kovalev with a KO. Kovalev may have a chance of being outclassed by Bhop, but not chance of being KO’d.

Posted April 21, 2014 9:13 pm 


I think this fight should happen since Stevenson is afraid of Kovalev. I think Bhop will fight Kovalev after beating Stevenson, but Stevenson will never fight Kovalev. I think if Kovalev does not get frustrated within the first 5 rounds he can beat Bhop. However, if he gets frustrated and does not let his hands go then he will find himself losing. BTW, I don’t think either fight will be a stink fest. Hopkins fights have had more action as of late. He takes more chances now than he did in the past. Despite not throwing a high volume of punches, he does land a lot of crisp clean, sharp, effective punches.

Posted April 21, 2014 9:10 pm 

Tomato Can

Many will cry if this fight happens. Heck Jim Lamply already did on his show. But the fact is both are fighting on showtime, which makes this a natural fight. Stevenson, made the right choice if this fight comes off. Kovalev will with out doubt have his chance, and if he’s as good as some think, he’ll have the last laugh. But you can’t blame Stevenson for making a sound business decision. In this game everything can change in one fight. And that goes foo ll fighters.

Posted April 21, 2014 9:00 pm 


I hope you all appreciate Hopkins, we will never, ever have another one like him, at this age, winning belts, schooling fools. Love or Hate him, he is a living legend.

Posted April 21, 2014 8:35 pm 

Frog hunter

The bellend frogs from Montreal are phaggots and the fight shoud take place in America.

Posted April 21, 2014 8:29 pm 

Jonn E. JaGozza

I’d love t see this fight especially if it’ss at the Bell Center in Montreal, I was there for the Pascal /Bute fight Montreal fans are the best. If somehow Hopkins beats Stevenson then he’s far better than I ever felt he was … but,I doubt it very much. …”The Language of the Ring “

Posted April 21, 2014 8:26 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn aka King of the Vultures

Dr. PEEJ.. How many times out of the 65 times Snaggletooth has stepped into a ring has the referee not been a fellow American? Same goes for Andre Ward and the inimitable Mr. Money Mayweather? What’s the exact number of times that the ref hasn’t been an American out of all their fights combined?

Posted April 21, 2014 8:16 pm 


Bhop’s full of sh t here. No one watches boxing in Canada, it’s all hockey. And Canada is a g a y country. The fight should take place in the States. Although I doubt Anudis fill want to fight bhop anywhere.

Posted April 21, 2014 8:07 pm 


That’s funny. Before the fight with pavlik I didn’t hear too many people say pavlik didn’t have a chance. It was the opposite. More like pavlik is gonna hurt and retire the old man. Hindsight!

Posted April 21, 2014 6:47 pm 


I think Hopkins would beat Stevenson easier than a lot of people think. Stevenson is so hyper Hopkins would use that against him and nullify his biggest weapon which is his power. Stevenson should’ve stayed with HBO; he would have faired a lot better against Kovalev.

Posted April 21, 2014 6:22 pm 



……. and they all keep running from Kovalev.
Posted April 21, 2014 5:36 pm


Posted April 21, 2014 6:20 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Basically they’ve gotta make Bhop vs Stevenson next given Stevenson bailed on HBO’s fall 2014 Superfight with Kovalev. If they do it’s a big fight with historical implications. If they don’t GBP is playing keep away with individual titles in a bid to fool the public into thinking one of their guys is the man at 175. But if this fight happens the winner’s cred is buoyed. I don’t think either will ever fight Kovalev though.

Posted April 21, 2014 6:16 pm 

Fight Aficionado

“Kovalev. Who has he actually beaten to be named this most avoided fighter? And notice all the belts are on showtimes side at the moment.” – Ask Stevenson why Kovalev is the fighter to avoid. He gave up a multi-million contract with HBO to duck him.

Posted April 21, 2014 5:59 pm 


Martin that’s true, look at joe c fights againt former fighters and how great he looked. Fast pace fights, fights got a rhythm after a few rounds.

Bhop fights never get out of first gear
! His fight are ugly choppy boring stalling events and it get much worse unless he’s fighting a guy like pavlik that has no chance.

Posted April 21, 2014 5:46 pm 


I smell a rat in al haymen, Adonis, bhop, Mayweather, do you see a pattern emerging ? Now they don’t have to fight, Kovelev, 3G, ruslan,do you see a pattern ?

Trying to block a certain group from making big money and hurting their legacies.

Posted April 21, 2014 5:41 pm 


……. and they all keep running from Kovalev.

Posted April 21, 2014 5:36 pm 

Ray Ray

So we have a 49yr old showing these young pups how its done? Love him or hate him he’s accomplished a lot in the sport. Now trying 2 unify everything in a 2nd devision. There’s 2 many premadonna duckers in this sport & we have a grandpa leading the way…..I think it’s a stretch at this stage of his career 2 pull it off? In his prime, yes. Now, doubt it…..but my hat go’s off 2 B-Hop 4 attempting it.

Posted April 21, 2014 5:18 pm 


Martin my friend, Hopkins uses his experience to beat all these young guys that do not IMO have the tools or the ability of Stevenson. Shumenov’s style was tailor made for Hopkins. Shumenov didn’t offer much and never has. Murat was nothing more than a strong guy but not much else. Tavoris Cloud was decent, but by no means anything great. Pascal has always been a bit of a head case. He’s not someone you ever want to bet on. Adonis is a whole different ball game. The one component that will beat experience is speed, which Stevenson has plenty of. Youth will play a major part in this fight as well as power. Hopkins fights in areas where he is comfortable in. He basically mugs you and loves to counter with the right hand. The above mentioned boxers that have lost to Hopkins do not have the physical gifts, but more importantly the mental awareness and toughness that Adonis Stevenson has. Hopkins has done well in a division that is weak in terms of skilled fighters that do not offer much more than one style. Adonis Stevenson was highly touted by the late great Emmanuel Steward for a reason. I will take Stevenson to not only beat Hopkins, but hurt him in the process. I think some people have to start paying more attention to Stevenson instead of the aging Hopkins that is doing some great things, but against Stevenson, he will get beat. Stevenson won’t allow Hopkins to play the head games he usually plays, And once inside the ring with Adonis, Hopkins will be reminded of his age and will be very leery of his power. I hope they make the fight and make Adonis the underdog. My money will be on Adonis ASAP. Someone please make the fight.

Posted April 21, 2014 4:52 pm 


Well what is funny for me is some of these fans that hate Bernard for all his holding and stuff but yet praise Wlad for his so called all time great status which is bogus. Not saying you are one of them. Just going by what folks are posting. But like I have said, I know Hopkins fights dirty. I am in no way saying he doesn’t, but what needs to be done is the refs are the ones that need to step in for this. I would be willing to bet that if Calzaghe would of kept trying to work instead of letting Hopkins hold him the ref would of said something. That is just my opinion. I liked Calzaghe and saw a lot of his fights so I am in no way trying to hate on Calzaghe. He is a great fighter and one of the best ever at 168. But refs need to call these things. If not then in my mind you can’t really complain. It is like when I play basketball and certain teammates are saying this dude is playing dirty, he is doing this or that. My immediate response is due the same thing back to him. If not then we can switch it up and I will guard that person. Of course if it is the right move for the team. But like basketball I say do the same in boxing. All this don’t let me see you retaliate stuff is bogus. I say retaliate.

Posted April 21, 2014 4:52 pm 



I can’t speak on Dawson-Hopkins (since I didn’t watch it), but no, I don’t think Calzaghe “whooped” Hopkins.

However, what I would say is that Calzaghe *would have* done a number on Hopkins if the latter hadn’t been allowed to get away with all that clinching, holding, smothering, and faking (i.e. the minutes he took off for the phantom “low blow”).

For a British fan that fight was especially frustrating to watch, because not long before the same referee (Joe Cortez) had constantly warned Hatton not to hold against Mayweather (“you’re holding Ricky, stop holding Ricky”) whenever he got in close (which he needed to to have any chance), but then when Hopkins kept running in to hold Calzaghe and smother his work, Cortez said nothing whatsoever.

If Cortez had warned Hopkins for holding like he kept warning Hatton (and unlike the latter, the former really *was* holding, and way too much), I think Calzaghe would have won it by a wide UD.

As it was, Calzaghe landed more punches than anyone ever had on Hopkins, but imagine how many more he’d have landed if Hopkins hadn’t been allowed to keep smothering his work by holding and clinching. That’s my point.

Posted April 21, 2014 4:25 pm 


@Dan D

Yes, I think you’re right about Hopkins-Pavlik having been at a catch-weight of 170. Still, 10 pounds is a big jump, and while Hopkins was at his best, Pavlik certainly wasn’t (the extent to which that was down to Hopkins being at his best is hard to say, but to me Pavlik didn’t seem right at all in that fight).

I agree with you on not underestimating Hopkins, and that Stevenson doesn’t have the kind of speed and volume that Hopkins struggles against. Stevenson has a puncher’s chance, but if he doesn’t get the KO, or at least knock Hopkins down a few times (no easy feat for anyone, since he’s so hard to land flush on), I can’t see him winning it.

Posted April 21, 2014 4:13 pm 


Yall are acting like Dawson or Calzaghe on that note actually whooped up on Hopkins. Both won by out working him and that is it. Heck you could argue that Dawson took most of the punishment, I know Calzaghe took most of the punishment against Hopkins but he did out work him.

Posted April 21, 2014 4:12 pm 

Dan D

Hecdog unless you are totally taking the pics, and your love for a certain Mr Pacquiao is well documented on these threads, you are in danger of becoming the next boxtradamus.

Posted April 21, 2014 4:05 pm 

Dan D

Martin, Pavlik and Hops fought at catch of 170 I think and Hops was at his best that night. He can’t handle guys like Calzaghe and Dawson, boxers with speed and volume but I think he will have the beating of Stevenson. Someone on here posted that Stevenson is a young, hungry guy but since when was 36 young lol? Anyone that can fight for titles at almost 50 can’t be underestimated in my view and I’m starting to think that Hopkins might be able to actually pull this off ya know…

Posted April 21, 2014 4:02 pm 


The top three men who matter at LHW, Kovalev, Stevenson and Hopkins need to sort it out. Winner of any Hopkins-Stevenson bout should then meet Kovalev, no ifs or buts.

Posted April 21, 2014 4:00 pm 

Swedish Boxing Fan

For those who is not pleased with the decision.
Well those of you who say it was a bad decision with only a Split decision victory with two judges scored it 116-111 for Bernard Hopkins and the 3rd judge scored it somehow 114-113 for Beibut Shumenov is right here to complain about that part, that judge was completly wrong and could NOT have watched the right fight. His act ruined a deserved perfect score for Hopkins.

Those who trash-talks Hopkins’s victory to be weak with that SD are wrong and can’t have watched the entire fight.

Hopkins was the fighter who controled the fight from 1st round to the 12th and final round with Shumenov having trouble almost evrey round to keep up with Hopkin’s pace and tactics and Hopkins almost at will landed several hard right hans shots and Shumenov and was never coutered when landed.

Hopkins should have won a clear UD (unanimus decision) as the 2 judges gave 116-111 NOT 114-113 Shumenov.
Hopkins was robbed in a way for a deserved completed score decision BUT still, Hopkins dident complain about it at all and just said he had confidence in the judges decision and was still glad that he was not robbed. (like he was against Jermain Taylor x 2 or Joe Calzaghe).

Give Bernard Hopkins his rightfull deserved credit.
He is a 49 year old champion who still beats up 19 year younger champions and top contenders, NO BOXER have ever made it this far as he has done it in his career, stop trash-talk the legend.

Bernard Hopkins just conqerd another set of world title belts and is now unified IBF/WBA/IBA world light heavyweight champion and that is a good thing.
One claimed champion less and just 3 left in the division.

Dont blame him for wanting to collect the world title belts like a true champion should do.

If you people who dont find it to accept Bernard Hopkins as a champion, then then go and complain at WBA &IBA for recognising Beibut Shumenov as there world champion. He had the title belt(s) and Hopkins wanted the title, simple answer.
If to complain, dont blame Hopkins, the “challanger” who qonqerd the title from the holder Shumenov, recognised by WBA & IBA as a champion.

Posted April 21, 2014 3:50 pm 


Hopkins is ducking Manny

Posted April 21, 2014 3:43 pm 



“Martin my friend, Stevenson is a much better all around fighter than Pavlik. He has the whole package, and he carries power. ”

It’s funny how perceptions change. Before he fought Hopkins, most people on this very forum were saying exactly the same thing about Pavlik: i.e. that he was the real deal, had destroyed the no. 3 P4P (Taylor, at the time), that he had unstoppable power, that Calzaghe had ducked him out of fear, and that he was going to send Hopkins into retirement etc.

Of course, since hindsight is 20/20, in retrospect people said they “knew all along” that he wasn’t really all that good. The same thing, I suspect, will happen with Stevenson. You may find it to imagine that now, but people found it hard to imagine Hopkins doing a number on Pavlik back then (just as people had earlier found it impossible to imagine Calzaghe doing a number on Jeff Lacy).

I don’t mean to suggest that Hopkins will do to Stevenson what he did to Pavlik: Hopkins a lot older now, and Pavlik had not fought at Light Heavy (he jumped two weight classes to fight Hopkins). However, I disagree that Stevenson is a more complete boxer than Pavlik was in his prime: that is wide open to debate.

I also think that anyone who believes that it’s a dead cert that Stevenson will walk right through Hopkins just hasn’t being paying attention: I don’t like the man, but I’ve watched him for long enough to know that it’s unwise to bet against Hopkins, because he is a master spoiler who has a long track-record of frustrating his opponents, throwing them off their game, massively reducing their punch output (and Stevenson’s isn’t that impressive anyway), and beating them on points.

@Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Spot on about Hopkins; I couldn’t agree more.

Posted April 21, 2014 3:24 pm 


I would have to beer bong a 5 gallon bucket of coffee to make it thru 6 rounds of a Hopkins bout, cant stand Bhop fight style however, I respect Hopkins as an athletic guy and respect his accomplishments in the ring.

Bhop vs Adonis is a good fight.

Posted April 21, 2014 2:51 pm 


Same thing can be said about Kovalev. Who has he actually beaten to be named this most avoided fighter? And notice all the belts are on showtimes side at the moment. So it would be more beneficial for Kovalev to trot over to showtime and try and challenge them over there.

Posted April 21, 2014 2:48 pm 


he needs to stay far away from superman, although he will get his wish for the fight ending in a KO

Posted April 21, 2014 2:43 pm 


Hopkins need 2 retire soon bcoz Kovalev would smash him up for real…

Posted April 21, 2014 2:42 pm 


When that hopkins bum gonna foght someone good? Stevenson too. They ducking the Russian Krusher ..b-hop don’t want that..just sayin.

Posted April 21, 2014 2:40 pm 


And who has Kovalev beat that he has all of a sudden became the boogie man? Same thing was said about Margacheato and Williams and both got beat in their next few fights.

Posted April 21, 2014 2:34 pm 


The Ring Belt is no joke. You have any proof or evidence that they are ranking their fighters higher than others? I am not talking about their P4P list either. Their rankings are on par with other rankings. So were is the discrepancy of their rankings?

Posted April 21, 2014 2:33 pm 


Neither of them can beat Sergey “Krusher” Kovalev, that is why Stevenson ran to Showtime and GBP and of course we all know Arum and GBP will not do this fight, Bhop needs to leave Floyd alone wanting a 50/50, he needs to do a Roy Jones and move to heavyweight, win a title there. Now that would be impressive.

Posted April 21, 2014 2:29 pm 


The Ring Belt? You mean the Ring Magazine Belt that is owned by Oscar De La Hoya. The Oscar that said he would not dare rank his fighters higher. The Ring Belt is a Joke ever since Oscar De La Hoya bought the magazine.

Posted April 21, 2014 2:19 pm 


and people thought circus shows were only with the heavyweights.

Posted April 21, 2014 2:15 pm 


Hidalgo- I have no doubt Hop-Stevenson will get made, barring Stevenson losing his next fight. That’s the whole reason Stevenson moved to Showtime. I doubt Hopkins goes out of his way to fight Kovalev, though. Kova is a high volume puncher (Bhop’s Kryptonite) with reach, power, skills, and conditioning, so I’m sure Bernard is not too angry the guy is in another Network. And while Stevenson probably has more one-punch power than Kovalev, he’s way more cautious in his approach, not as savvy inside the ring and doesn’t have the lungs Kova has either, so Bhop should take him to school. It only takes one from Stevenson, though…

Posted April 21, 2014 2:11 pm 


I can’t fail to remember how old B-Hop looked against Dawson when thinking about a Stevenson fight but Dawson is more of a boxer which may be the reason he found it so easy, you would have to favour Superman though. As for the comment “If you got The Ring belt, you got the WBC, you got the IBF, you got the WBA, you are the man. Y’all know that.” Its not strictly true as many would still believe Kovalev is the best LH until either Stevenson or B-Hop beat hi,.

Posted April 21, 2014 2:06 pm 


Sean p h..

Agreed, Stevenson is no Pavlik, but he is closer to Pascal.

Hopkins needs to take Stevenson into deep water, and I think he has the tools to do this.

Still, it’s only an opinion, and I’m looking forward to the fight, if it’s made.

Posted April 21, 2014 2:04 pm 


the man is 50, its crazy…gotta give him props

Posted April 21, 2014 1:59 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Despite the “judge” Gustavo Padilla’s absurd 114-113 score for Shumenov, Bhop got the easy win and presumably will fight Stevenson for the Showtime light heavyweight title. Kovalev will keep defending the HBO title against whomever’s nutsacks aren’t shriveled in fear. Network rivalries are killing the sport only because boxers use it to duck each other.

Posted April 21, 2014 1:58 pm 


Nothing wrong with that. So it was ok for him to wear an executioner mask but not an alien mask. It is ok for people to be brought in to the ring in a cage or a lion on his back but just not the green mask.

Posted April 21, 2014 1:44 pm 


People still forget the fact that Stevenson was stopped due to stamina issues against Boone. Hopkins is gonna press the action to a degree but the mental pressure is what can tire you out the quickest. And as you see Hopkins has a way of slowing your out put down.

Posted April 21, 2014 1:43 pm 


BHOP all day!

Posted April 21, 2014 1:43 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Any fighter who wears a green rubber mask and alien costume into the ring is dragging boxing down into the gutter along side professional wrestling. It’s “the fight game,” “the hurt business” — not a circus side show. I don’t like Popkins for disrespecting the sweet science in this manner and cheapening the sport for everyone.

Posted April 21, 2014 1:42 pm 

Jay rock

I’m looking forward to this fight

Posted April 21, 2014 1:35 pm 

sean p h

Hecdog speaks true. Hopkins is savy but he has slowex down a bit. That right he hit shum with was very slow. Odonis would have hit hop with a counter punch

Posted April 21, 2014 1:31 pm 

sean p h

Rusty bucket. Odonis is no pavlik. Odonis is a young skilled lion.

Posted April 21, 2014 1:27 pm 


Martin my friend, Stevenson is a much better all around fighter than Pavlik. He has the whole package, and he carries power. Hopkins because of his boxing IQ will make it tough for anyone, but Stevenson is going to be too much in all areas. Hopkins will have to mug him to win, but Stevenson has great legs so he won’t get caught up in that. I really think Hopkins will be a step to slow and will get hit more than he has in past fights even with his tight turtle defense. Speed will be too much. i would like to see it though. Hopkins is a talent.

Posted April 21, 2014 1:27 pm 


Hopkins might not be the best person in the world..but I respect him for what he accomplised in the ring,and including the whole age thing ofcourse.To even be talking about a guy who is close to 50 and him being in the top 5 in his division and fighting for belts is just unreal!!!

Posted April 21, 2014 1:26 pm 


This is a very winable fight for Hopkins.
Stevenson has power but is a very limited fighter overall.
What Hopkins has in abundance it savy technique, and that’s the way to beat Stevenson.

Posted April 21, 2014 1:03 pm 


martins a muppet

Posted April 21, 2014 1:02 pm 


I would be suprised if this fight ever gets made…

Posted April 21, 2014 1:00 pm 


That is because he has no fight lined up. Guess you didn’t catch him on Showtime doing and interview right beside Broner. Can’t win a fight with jabs while the other guy is landing power punches.

Posted April 21, 2014 12:03 pm 

Thurmal Underwear


Posted April 21, 2014 11:41 am 


2 thug felons battle it out for the thug title

Posted April 21, 2014 11:38 am 

Dan D

Gotta say, I don’t like Hopkins but I have nothing but respect for him as a fighter. He has defied father time and created history. I wouldn’t bet against him in a fight with either Stevenson or Kovalev.

Posted April 21, 2014 11:37 am 


MMA guys are not modern day gladiators.

Posted April 21, 2014 11:25 am 

sean p h

Prof k. Mma is a brutal sport i kickbox and i have trained at a mma gym. Mma guys are modern day gladiators.

Posted April 21, 2014 11:24 am 

sean p h

Mad respect to bhop. Steveson has the tools to beat him.

Posted April 21, 2014 11:22 am 


“It’s small, sad and stupid”-Nope. But your BRAIN is IF you believe what you just wrote.

Posted April 21, 2014 11:16 am 



Stevenson by late stoppage as I predicted long AGO.

Posted April 21, 2014 10:53 am”

Yes, but if Hopkins wins, and someone quotes this back to you, you will say: “I didn’t write that; it was one of my disciplines. I am STILL the greatest fight prophet EVER born…”


You know, we could all post various different predictions under the same name, and then only claim credit for the ones that are successful while disowning the ones that don’t. It’s not big or clever. It’s small, sad and stupid.

Posted April 21, 2014 11:04 am 



That’s exactly what they said about Pavlik. Plus, Hopkins has a great record against southpaws. I don’t discount the possibility that Stevenson might prove too much for Hopkins, but based on e.g. his fight against Bellew, I certainly wouldn’t be betting on it.

@Prof Konje

“Those who put Hopkins down by saying that he’s “boring” should be watching MMA bouts.”

That statement has no more legitimacy than if I were to say that those who think boxing is an “art” should be watching ballet.

Also, Hopkins not only boxes, but also gets away with a whole lot of clinching, holding and spoiling — not to mention using his head and elbows, and plain cheating (e.g. taking several minutes off in the fight against Calzaghe for a phantom “low blow”).

Hopkins is a great defensive fighter and a master spoiler, but this means that his fights do tend to lack excitement (I can’t think of many memorable fights he’s been in: can you?), and while you might insist that boxing is “art”, most of us also regard it as a form of entertainment.

Honestly speaking, would you rather watch e.g. Hopkins vs Jones 1 (lots of “art”, very little fighting) or Hagler vs Hearns (much less art, a whole lot more fighting)? If the former, I really do think you should be watching ballet, or some other form of “performance art”.

Posted April 21, 2014 11:00 am 


Not so sure that Stevenson beats Hopkins down. First off Stevenson had some serious issues when fighting Donavan George, also Hopkins is a master with left handers. I will take Hopkins to beating Stevenson unless Hopkins gets old which we are all waiting for. Remember Stevenson got stopped due to stamina issues. Hopkins will be putting on pressure, and a lot of it will be mental pressure which has been known to tired you out quicker than physical pressure.

Posted April 21, 2014 10:53 am 


Stevenson by late stoppage as I predicted long AGO.

Posted April 21, 2014 10:53 am 

Supreme Court

You are a moron…
Kovalev is HBO… And why is Kovalev not chasing B-hop?
For the Redneck mentality, it has to be one way, right?

Posted April 21, 2014 10:46 am 


I’m saying it now Hopkins will school Stevenson . It will be a tough fight for the first few rounds but I know Stevenson has stamina problems. He doesn’t do good against boxers with movement. When he fought bellews he had problems with his movement but bellew doesn’t have the IQ or skills of a Bernard Hopkins .

Posted April 21, 2014 10:43 am 

Prof Konje

Hopkins is a boxer, pure and simple-a boxer. He’s not a street fighter. Boxing is an art, it’s not about leading with your face and having a short career. Those who put Hopkins down by saying that he’s “boring” should be watching MMA bouts. This is boxing. It’s about NOT being hit and hitting your opponent.

Posted April 21, 2014 10:30 am 


Stevenson beats Hopkins easy. Too young, fast , powerful and knows how to fight. Hopkins will definitely have problems with Stevenson’s speed and movement. He will be a step or two behind the young gun. This is the fight where Hopkins will show his age. The fast and powerful southpaw will have Hopkins looking bad. I know Hopkins has beaten these last couple of young fighters, but none of them are in Stevenson’s league. He’s the real deal.

Posted April 21, 2014 10:30 am 


From what has been said I think Kovalev has a long contract with HBO.

Posted April 21, 2014 9:49 am 


I too can see the old green boy winning this by decision, but he will never be “undisputed champ” so long as he doesn’t face Kovalev. For me, Kovalev wins that one by stoppage or UD, but I doubt it will ever happen. The only chance of that fight ever getting made, I think, is if Kovalev signs with Showtime. Does anyone know if that’s a possibility? If he can, it seems to me that he should do, because he would earn a lot more money, fame and recognition fighting Stevenson and Hopkins than he would fighting any number of other Light Heavyweights. We know that Ward is not going to move up, so what is left for him at 175 if he doesn’t get Hopkins or Stevenson?

So unless Duva and HBO have a contract that rules this out (quite possible), I think the best move would be for Kovalev to chase Stevenson and Hopkins by signing with Showtime ASAP.

Posted April 21, 2014 9:43 am 


The Kovalev fight will be hard to get made. You can say he needs to make the fight regardless of the networks but it doesn’t work like that. First off HBO is no longer on the Haymon bandwagon anymore. They don’t like doing business with him. I am sure it has a lot to do with Golden Boy. So that fight will be hard to get made unless someone gets a mandatory position and then whomever wins the purse bid has the right to put the fight on. But unless that happens, I just don’t see that happening. Unfortunately that is the problem with long contracts with networks and promoters.

Posted April 21, 2014 9:41 am 


No – it’s The Alien vs Pimp, and as I’ve seen what pimps have done even to a junior high school aged girl, this gives me little choice but to cheer for The Alien.

Posted April 21, 2014 9:29 am 


Dino- Agree. How many times has Hopkins fought a guy that was supposed to kick his butt only to provide a master class (including my man Tito)? This would be another instance, and Hopkins deserves respect for wanting to fight the tough challenges.

Posted April 21, 2014 9:19 am 

fry up

Gotta love the fan boys of these two ‘fun luvin criminals’, haven’t you?!?

Posted April 21, 2014 9:16 am 


Hopkins is the old man, so maybe Stevenson mugs him, and under bright lights too, lol!

Posted April 21, 2014 9:14 am 


K0vаlеv! Аnd Нop will slееp

Posted April 21, 2014 9:03 am 


It would be a pick em fight, if Bhop can negate Stevenson’s big punches it could be a schooling for Stevenson. There again it could be a short night if Stevenson can land some big punches, Hopkins might be in great nick for a guy his age, but I doubt he could take a beating like a younger guy.

Posted April 21, 2014 8:46 am 

Adonis Stevenson

I would NEVER let a green boy beat me!

Posted April 21, 2014 8:30 am 

Felon vs Pimp

Hmm, can’t decide if Hopkins mugs Stevenson or Stevenson pimps Hopkins. Either way, no doubt their respective “street skills” will come into play.

Posted April 21, 2014 8:24 am 


Stevenson knocks out the alien

Posted April 21, 2014 8:12 am 

Chester Copperpott

Kobalev beats both inside 10 rd

Posted April 21, 2014 8:03 am 


Tall order for BHop but much respect for still being a Top dog in the sport.

Posted April 21, 2014 8:01 am 


I believe there is a reason B-Hop is chasing Stevenson and not Kovalev. Hopkins has become a great matchmaker for himself and I think he def. sees a easier fight with stevenson. B-Hop must be given the respect for what he is doing at his age and if you dont respect it I believe thats just a little bit of hatin their. With that said he is NOT unbeatable I mean he lost to Dawson and the networks just act like it never happened because they are trying to promote him so that makes sense but I cannot be fooled I like to believe im a little more informed then that. I believe Kovalevs str8 punches will trouble Hopkins more than Stevensons wide punches given B-hops counter punching style. Remember Dawson punches str8 and quick and thats the reason he was able to nulify Hopkins in my oppinion.

Posted April 21, 2014 7:30 am 


JL if the general public feels the same as you do look for a b hop schooling. His track record when he is the underdog is pretty impressive.

Posted April 21, 2014 7:09 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

Yeah! I wanna see this one happen!

Posted April 21, 2014 7:07 am 


I wish someone would KO him, his fights are boring and barely watchable,I switched off after 3 rounds of curing my insomnia.

Posted April 21, 2014 6:58 am 


You are right. BHop cannot KO Adonis and I think this will be a hang on constant tie up type wrestling match for about. 4-5 rounds then Adonis gets Bernard in trouble and ref stops it . Similar to Malaggani/Porter

Posted April 21, 2014 6:19 am 


I’m not a fan of Stevenson’s after the b.s. him and his team pulled regarding the Kovalev fight. But having said that the guy has impressive KO power and it would be the most potentially dangerous fight Hopkins’ has had in quite some time. Hopkins has never been knocked out or stopped but has been dropped I believe four times during his career. If Stevenson can drop him then I believe we may see Hopkins put to sleep for the first time. But having said that I would never bet against Bhop. I thought he was definitely finished after the second Dawson fight but then he rebounds yet again.

Posted April 21, 2014 6:09 am 

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