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Q…, “P4P is based on the best IF they were all the same size… based on who they think would win.”

NOPE!!!! That’s not the way it’s figured.. It’s based on who they believe has the most prestige at the moment… Nobody knows for if Mikey Garcia or Guillermo Rigondeax could beat Floyd Mayweather if they were the same weight. There is always someone who can beat you, based on styles or better skills. There’s an element of luck when 2 boxers are as closely matched.

The Miami Heat and the San Antonio Spurs played 7 games in less than 3 weeks—each game lasting longer than any boxing match. There were super close games. There were blow outs for each team. It’s not as if they weren’t trying hard in games they got clobbered—but at the end of 48 minutes one team was ahead—or the score was tied and they went to overtime.

Boxing is a one game series. There’s a better chance of a tie because of the 12 round format—versus the Heat and Spurs going 103-103 in one game, and a 25 point blowout in another game.

Whoever wins Floyd-Canelo will be considered #1 in the world—whether they’re the best or not. Writers who think Rigondeaux or Garcia are better boxers will concede they don’t have the prestige to be #1 and will vote for the winner of Floyd-Canelo. Antonio Tarver wasn’t considered #1 when he stretched Roy Jones—because he hadn’t beaten another big star.

Posted June 22, 2013 10:43 pm 


Lol@ “Jessica”

Posted June 22, 2013 5:45 pm 


Q, I like what you did there. You insulted me again and then closed in unity,…classy. Stupid actually is when someone feels that all the comments posted on here are for them to stop in and give their 2 cents as they hurl insults,…That’s stupid. Stupid is also when you discredit what someone says about something like… Oh, I don’t know,.. Psychology. But then 1 sentence later: “but my point is from a psychological standpoint..”. Do you think before you type? Do you think everyone ASSumes but your word needs to be the final response to everyone because you have the answers to all? Hmmm… Sounds like you ASSume everyone would like so badly to have you address them personally. Man, thank you for personally addressing me with your BS responses that make you feel better, but no constructive sense or value. As a child did you find it hard to get people to listen? Is that why you are here forcing your opinions that you consider the final verdict in direct addresses to people? Seriously, I’ve seen your pathology and how you address everyone you’d like directly with what you feel is the pro’s insight. I doubt they care or find value in anything you direct at them just as I do not. You should apply this and grow as a person.

Posted June 22, 2013 5:42 pm 


I want Paulie to win but don’t tell Adrian.

Posted June 22, 2013 5:33 pm 

Roy Andrews

I hope I’m wrong, but Paulie will lose !

Posted June 22, 2013 4:57 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Not surprising this thread has degenerated into a troll-fest, given that race baiting moron Supreme Clown showed up. He is the fool behind a half dozen of these screen names nobody’s seen before. Yet ESB lets him troll multiple handles even though they can easily identify him through his IP address. Have fun loser.

Posted June 22, 2013 4:28 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Off topic but welterweight nonetheless. In case you guys didn’t hear: Former WBA welterweight champ James Page, arrested in #Oakland on June 10, faces 6 counts for bank robbery. Possible 20 years on each count because he already served prison time for bank robbery back in 2001.

Posted June 22, 2013 4:23 pm 


would be*

Posted June 22, 2013 4:06 pm 


TARK: no no no no no no no no no. P4P is based on the best IF they were all the same size… based on who they think would win. The fact is that Canelo’s only shot is that FMJ is over his best weight and fighting a man who weighed in as a Super Middleweight in his last bout. Canelo can not and will not be considered P4P better than FMJ even with a win. That’s a fact. BUT… many Meskins will be very thrilled and giving praise to La Santa Muerte.

Posted June 22, 2013 4:06 pm 


The1: jajaj… you’re stupid, what’s a visual fact? You made an observation based on what you THINK a man feels based on his reactions to a situation you’d never seen him in? You don’t have anything to base your little “observations” on because you don’t know how he reacts normally. All this “psychology filed” is overrated dude.. Broner’s reactions can be based in various things outside of what you’ve ASSumed. “Broner was most certainly inclined to be verbal” I never said otherwise, but my point is, from a psychological standpoint, that Broner could very well have been reacting badly as you stated, based on childhood experiences with verbal battles… he can be how he is out of a defense mechanism, and he could be a bit more sensitive than you understand. That doesn’t mean that his reaction is exactly tied into his actually fight with Malignaggi. And NO I’m really actually not a “fan” of Broner. I don’t think he’s any Mayweather because he doesn’t have the same skill set and footwork.. but he IS stronger. ANyway… yeah. Let’s enjoy the bout.

Posted June 22, 2013 4:03 pm 


I’d give GOAT at this point to FMJ or Calzaghe.

Posted June 22, 2013 3:01 pm 


I think lb-4-lb hardest punchers would be Golovkin and Mathysse.

Posted June 22, 2013 2:59 pm 


…and the greatest boxer of all time ?

Posted June 22, 2013 2:58 pm 


How do they come up with pound for pound and if FMJ was to lose, what effect would it have on him being lb. 4 lb.?

Posted June 22, 2013 2:57 pm 


Floyd is known as the best boxer in the world… That takes in every division as far as I know… Canelo could take him out and change all that… Maybe Broner will go after Canelo if that happens — can’t let anyone beat up his big brother.

Posted June 22, 2013 2:44 pm 


@ TARK of every division ?

Posted June 22, 2013 2:27 pm 


Pound for pound greatest fighter in the world??? Probably Jon Jones.

Best boxer? Floyd Mayweather — for the time being.

Posted June 22, 2013 2:08 pm 


That reminds me, do you know if Peterson ever found his front teeth after that brutal KO by Mathysse?

Posted June 22, 2013 2:01 pm 


Yes I do actually.

I just made you like a prize unt (insert the letter C were you see fit. I know exactly where it supposed to go)

Make a note of the brevity it took me to do it in too and I how few words I needed to use to do so. I could teach you how to win arguments in such quick and effortless fashion if you like? ;)

Posted June 22, 2013 1:19 pm 

Supreme Court

“I hate the kkk”
Oh yeah….we all know you do…
When you get caught…
GTFOH , boyeh!

Posted June 22, 2013 1:07 pm 

horst fraze

i like the younger,stronger fighter in this one. boner by decision.

Posted June 22, 2013 12:53 pm 


Broner is a great FMJ wanna-be

Posted June 22, 2013 12:44 pm 


The Truth is Supreme Court

Posted June 22, 2013 12:36 pm 

Supreme Court

How far did you go in your education, boy?
Born privileged, with a silver spoon in your mouth, what have you accomplished, moron?
Asians students are topping all rednecks right here in US…
Because Governor Wallace’s progeny, like you It’s Me Ernie, have autopopulated America.

Posted June 22, 2013 12:34 pm 

The Truth

It’s Me, Ernie: bwahahahahahahha

Posted June 22, 2013 12:29 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Intellect, ESB? That’s an oxymoron moron. I hope snitch kicks you right in the pussie…

Posted June 22, 2013 12:24 pm 


Poor ol’ Square – Circle behaving like uncle Ruckus. Too bad so much for ” I’m White “.

Posted June 22, 2013 11:42 am 

The Truth

Snitch: Si hombre, lo que ud diga. Yo soy SREDMOND. Si usted lo dice, jaja.

Posted June 22, 2013 11:25 am 


Happyboy is part of that club too.

Posted June 22, 2013 11:11 am 


Tell it Q

Posted June 22, 2013 11:04 am 

Supreme Clown

Masochism ?

Posted June 22, 2013 10:19 am 

Killing Moon The Soothsayer

What? can’t be…I advised Sred. to seek mental help…Why would he keep hurting himself…?

Posted June 22, 2013 10:13 am 

Supreme Clown

Sredmond Court is back.

Posted June 22, 2013 10:05 am 

Supreme Clown

Broner is overrated.

Posted June 22, 2013 10:01 am 


Broner is ok. He is not that good. Its easy to look good pumbling a lesser skilled fighter standing in front of you. Definitely not on mayweathers level. Clearly there is a reason why haymon has not matched him with another top guy. If ponce and quintero who had 4 days notice of the fight in my opinion beat broner, how could he be looked at like an elite fighter. Paulie is ok but lacks the power to jewel broner off of him. This is a 50/50 fight. I think broners power is ok but not Garcia. Probably a decision either way. Just hoping Paulie gets the nod. Would be good for boxing

Posted June 22, 2013 9:44 am 

Supreme Court

Robert Grifith:
You are an idiot!
And i will prove it below…
It’s your prerogative to dispute the p4p ranking, but do it in an intelligent way; don’t let hatred fog your vacuolar brain.
Broner has moved from 120 lbs to 147 lbs; by doing so, he has remained undefeated, has cleaned the 135 lbs; has become 2X world champion, likely 3x time tonight…. That’s is in agreement with any definition of p4p concept.
Now to discredit that you cite GGG and Mathysse…
How many weight classes has either of the above competed in? What are their records?
How many weight classes have they cleaned up? If they cannot even clean a single division, then, how can you assess their p4p status?

I suggest you go back where you came from: BoxingNews….

Posted June 22, 2013 9:31 am 


Broner is definitely part Neanderthal. Look at that forehead! He also looks bigger than Paulie. I’m picking Broner to win, but boy I hope Paulie pulls something out of his bag and beats him.

Posted June 22, 2013 8:51 am 


After this fight, Broner is done!

Posted June 22, 2013 8:43 am 


In the battle of the mouths Paulie is in trouble sat. night…

Posted June 22, 2013 8:12 am 


Broner will get the beating of his life, Broner got a problem here, Paulie knock him out cold!

Posted June 22, 2013 8:05 am 

Op Amp

Sorry, that was off topic. Broner by late stoppage, or UD with paulis face beat into hamburger

Posted June 22, 2013 7:56 am 

Killing Moon The Soothsayer

This better be fantastic boxing….Because I find Malignaggis personality extremely annoying and I don’t think that much more of Broner….

For me this is classic Villain vs Villain….But only one of them has something in the gloves…So it seems like a pretty predictable fight….Malignaggis going down mid-late rounds…So i’m kinda on the fence about seeing the fight….Because you would have to be a fan to get something out of it….Malignaggis fans will pray for his chin and Broners will cheer for the K.O….

Posted June 22, 2013 4:41 am 

Fight Aficionado

Happyboy is obv mentally retarded. Unfortunately there’s no prerequisites to post at ESB, or else morons like him and Supreme Clown wouldn’t be allowed here.

Posted June 22, 2013 4:27 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Happyboy; Many of the Mexians and Latinos you’re speaking of are White by race.
Learn the difference between race and ethnicity. I am Mexican, but I am White by race — just like Canelo, Danny Garcia and Sergio Martinez. So Whites rule a lot more of boxing than you think, Fact!

Posted June 22, 2013 4:16 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Correction: …” would’ve destroyed any American HWs in boxing history…”

Posted June 22, 2013 4:08 am 


Squared Circle – thats the dumbest post ever on ESB or any boxing site for that matter. Either you’re an idiot or real ignorant. Klitschkos will make it into the HOF without a win against any fellow HOFmers nor P4P champion, Mayweather has 4, and a host of world champions. The K Bros are beating up sparring partners, weak ass boxers and have lost to BUMS for their fame and fortune. Fact.

Posted June 22, 2013 4:08 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

Memo to ESB: Why no mention of the Bika/Periban fight?

Posted June 22, 2013 4:07 am 

Fight Aficionado

Just noticed Banks looks soft but his weight is 216. WTF? I figure that’s a bad sign and Mitchell wins the rematch. As for Bronerk, whatev. It’s such a transparent case of cherry picking it deserves little comment other than he should win by TKO. Of course certaom nut slurping Dbags here won’t acknowledge that.

Posted June 22, 2013 3:59 am 


Pat Mustard- grandma has more swag than you, need to learn from old folks dude.

Posted June 22, 2013 3:56 am 


The Internet is chock full of fools like Jennings …

Posted June 22, 2013 3:20 am 

Pat Mustard

Broner has the same earrings as my grandma.

Posted June 22, 2013 3:06 am 


I don’t think Paulie is nervous at all, that’s just his personality type, hyper, fast talker. A lot of that comes from being from New York City.

Posted June 22, 2013 3:05 am 


Seth Mitchell looks fat, there’s a lot of muscle there for sure, maybe a little too much but he sure as hell ain’t ripped.

Jonathan Banks though on the other hand makes Seth looked trim and fit!! For a 216lb heavyweight Banks body/muscle tone looks TERRIBLE.

Posted June 22, 2013 3:03 am 


CJ: Dude, the HW division is mega trash. You list Lennox and Bowe, but they fought in the SAME ERA…. there was even Golotas and people like that… there isn’t even that now… the division is completely dead-d. It has nothing to do with HW or not HW. The HW division is completely unwatchable, no matter who is fighting. Period. It’s dead. Goodnight.

Posted June 22, 2013 2:47 am 


Any of you people who say the HW division is dead are pure American wishing of the good old days(80’s and 90″s and early 2000’s). For REAL! There have only been 4 huge men who could move extremely well at 6’5 and up. Bowe, Lennox and the Klits. Thats it. And don’t say Fury. Not even close. Even Tyson stated these men are too good with being too big. Tyson was awesome like Tua but folks they were fighting monsters at their frame. Your retarded too say the old school HW’s could hang other than Foreman(massive heavy hands and Ali who moved like Roy Jones at 215). Nobody will know cause it will never happen. BUT Look at the all lame ass opponents from Ali to Tyson they faced. Please

Posted June 22, 2013 2:43 am 


You’re telling me there are still fighters like*

Posted June 22, 2013 2:35 am 


Ok ok, in your world the HW division is thriving and better than ever, and any division Floyd has every fought at is dead…… you’re a clown, jajaj… Floyd beat the undisputed and the guy that beat the undisputed at 147 a long time ago. As it stands, for Floyd to get “ALL the strapses” as you put it, as it stands he’d have to *GASP* beat Bradley, Devon Alexander and Malignaggi. jajaja. Go to sleep man.

Posted June 22, 2013 2:28 am 


The Heavyweights are exploding.
The Cruiserweights are imploding.

The Bantams are fading. The Lightweights are a bore.
King Canelo rules at 154.

Posted June 22, 2013 1:38 am 


Judging by all interaction I’ve seen between the two. It appears that Paulie Malinaggi’s body language is very relaxed while Broner at certain times seemed to be uneasy, stressed and rigid with almost pacing and repetitive movements. This all ties in to what the psychology field calls “numbing” or dissociating. In other words, Broner appeared to subconsciously find a way to ease his elevated levels of stress. I think Paulie has effectively gotten into Broner’s head. Not sure how or if it will sway the fight either way but considering that Broner has moved up two classes and is fighting the toughest fight to date against a very seasoned, experienced, successful boxer….. I’d say Paulie gos into this fight with an enormous mental edge, what he does with his edge; we will only know after the opening bell.

Posted June 22, 2013 1:23 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Wladimir Klits – Except the times you got KTFO of course…

Posted June 22, 2013 12:46 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Q knows what’s up…

Posted June 22, 2013 12:19 am 

Wladimir Klits

What you talking about, I kick all ass in HW Division. All ass.

Posted June 21, 2013 11:58 pm 


all heavyweights blow, it’s a dead dull division.

Posted June 21, 2013 10:59 pm 


Is that what Seth Mitchell usually comes in at? It seems a little heavy. I’m thinking after 3 rounds and it will be a domination by Banks for an eventual KO.

Posted June 21, 2013 10:08 pm 

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