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Torgo

A couple of things prevent Bowe from “supreme” greatness, he’s great anyway if you know what I mean, one Lennox Lewis and two: FIGHTS ARE WON in the gym and I don’t believe Bowe keep his mind and heart in the gym as well as others, but as far as physical talent goes, yes he was great.

Posted September 1, 2012 11:55 pm 


BLUESMAN

If they were both at their best, I think Frazier would’ve beaten Bowe. Frazier, at his best (his first fight with Ali of course) would’ve beaten Bowe. Frazier wasn’t easy to hit a lot of the time in his first fight with Ali whereas Bowe was always easy to hit. In a dream match I think Frazier ko’s Bowe in th12th round of a great battle. Bowe would’ve beaten Marciano easily, in my opinion.

Posted August 31, 2012 1:59 am 


Terry

Hey Ice,

Nice interview. I use to chat with you a few years ago when AOL had a boxing site. You were still working on your book then. lol…sent me a couple of chapters to read.

You should post on ESB a bit more, you’re a legend and I’ll be first in line when that book finally gets done!!

Posted August 30, 2012 9:10 pm 


philly shell

Great insight from someone who’s been there and fought/sparred with the legends. Enjoyable read, thanks!

Posted August 30, 2012 5:42 pm 


BTG

Spot on Yiddo!

I’m seriously still finding it hard to believe that I’ve just read the words ‘Lewis never fought any real fighter in their prime either.’ Let me see Mason, Ruddock, Morrison, Mercer, McCall, Golota, Briggs, Tua, Rahman and Klitschko.’ For a boxing man I’m surprised with the utter disrespect he’s shown those fighters.

Posted August 28, 2012 9:40 am 


Tim

Nice joke Kenny! If Tyson never faced any real fighters. What about Evander the headbutter? Evander got decked like a scumbag by Bert Cooper.
Cooper was a real fighter.
It is a shame also that Evander took ages to ko a fat Thomas who accepted to fight him in short notice.
What happened?
It is a shame that Douglas refused to rematch Mike isn’t it?
But, i loved when Ruiz decked Evander. The myth was exposed again.

Bowe was slow as a rock, Tyson would have destroyed him EASILY.

Posted August 28, 2012 8:20 am 


theyiddo

As Lennox Lewis only lost twice in his career, it would be a bit tricky for him to have won the World Heavyweight more than 3 times! And guess what, he did win the Heavyweight title 3 times. So your comment about Holyfield winning 4 World Heavyweight titles is completely irrelevant.

Posted August 28, 2012 8:19 am 


BLUESMAN

I disagree that Bowe could’ve been one of the best heavyweight champions ever because he was WAY TOO easy to hit, which is why he ended up with brain damage. Top 20? Yes, but I wouldn’t go beyond that.

Posted August 28, 2012 3:03 am 


Ash

I didnt mean you should write something right now, what I meant some time in the future months or years if time permits, I know you write stuff for the Boxing News. I didnt know you had written a book has it been published? and what is it called?

Posted August 27, 2012 1:59 pm 


Acorn Fan

Great article, great interview. I just wish he would have discussed (more) the subsequent demise of Tyson from an apparent all-time great to someone that couldn’t put two punches together. It was shocking and sad to watch a seemingly perfect fighter disintergrate before our eyes. But, that’s for the next interview, I guess. Still, this was an outstanding interview. Thanks.

Posted August 27, 2012 1:59 pm 


Ash

Hi Kenny what can I say it is an honour to hear from you !for those who dont know Kenny Weldon is a legendary boxing coach from Houston with over 40 years of coaching experience. What can I say I remember as a kid back in the 1980’s walking in to a martials store here in England and coming across your “how to box videos”. With the ‘Icemans’ interview and hearing from you has taken us right back to a different era! When boxing coaches were Old School, instead atleast here in the UK we have alot of Guys from the Health fitness industry masquearading as Coaches. And thanks for the feedback concerning Big Roy jones snr.

Posted August 27, 2012 1:41 pm 


Ash

And for those of you who missed Google Johnny Duke story, a great piece.

Posted August 27, 2012 11:47 am 


Ash

Well John, I remember reading an article by you years ago about the legendary boxing coach Johnny Duke, so hopefully if you have time in the future you could pen something on Big Roy Jones snr. Personally ever since reading Angelo Dundees book ” I only talk winning” in the 80’s in which he discusses all the legendary coaches he was influenced by. Find it fascinating reading about coaches and there training methods.

Posted August 27, 2012 11:39 am 


Ash

Great interview with John scully, only disappointed they did not ask about Big Roy Jones snr, and his training methods, unlike Floyd snr, Big Roy has never been given the respect.

Posted August 27, 2012 10:11 am 


Kid Blast

He did say “could have been,” did he not?

Posted August 27, 2012 8:02 am 


sil

ALWAYS A GREAT READ WITH SCULLY!

Posted August 27, 2012 5:06 am 


sil

Scully

Posted August 27, 2012 5:04 am 


tongue

Nice interview, but…I always wondered how come RJJ’s win over McCallum is looked at as one of his best wins, but Toney beating him in the rubber match 2 months after McCallum fought RJJ is looked at as just another win?

Posted August 27, 2012 12:53 am 


Kid Blast

Ice gave Nunn all he could handle and then some. Might have been Ice’s best fight.

Posted August 26, 2012 10:22 pm 


B Red

@John Scully…. Were Fam cuz your from Hartford Ct…… But i will say that, Chad hardley beat a 47 Bhop, so i doubtt that Chad will win the fight.Chad is also making excuses because he cant make the weight. Dawsons claim to fame is beating old legendary fighters with Johnson beat him dowm…….. Ward number 2 P4p. U dig

Posted August 26, 2012 10:03 pm 


Kid Blast

hahahah. I just might :mrgreen:

Posted August 26, 2012 8:48 pm 


Kid Blast

dig

Posted August 26, 2012 8:47 pm 


Kid Blast

I did

Posted August 26, 2012 8:47 pm 


B Red

Mccalum was too dangerous, and could not generate enough money for them to take that risk

Posted August 26, 2012 7:55 pm 


B Red

Great interview, I like John Scully’s honesty , and him being from Hartford helps…… I think its a big mistake to have Dawson fight Ward at 168…… He’s going to be way to weak, so if you combine that with an already suspect chin, I have Ward by stoppage or Ud, ya dig

Posted August 26, 2012 7:41 pm 


B Red

:mrgreen:

Posted August 26, 2012 7:26 pm 


TARK

A better answer to this question, because Aaron Pryor never beat a good Welterweight, “Looking back as a fan during these years when you were a fighter John, was there one match that you really hoped would get made?” ..Michael Nunn vs Supar Ray Leonard. After Leonard beat Hagler everyone talked about Ray fighting Nunn, but Leonard never defended the middleweight title he won from Hagler… Also, Mike McCallum vs either Tommy Hearns, Sugar Ray Leonard, or Marvin Hagler. Everyone avoided McCallum at that time. McCallum stopped Julian Jackson in (29-0) in 2 rounds—at around the time Hagler struggled with John Mugabi for 11 rounds—the McCallum fight was talked about but Hagler wasn’t interested… When Harol Graham was 38-0 he was the number one contender for Hagler. Graham had a good style for Hagler, but Marv fought once a year in 1985, 1986, and 1987 … there were a few opponents he didn’t get to.

Posted August 26, 2012 6:52 pm 


Kid Blast

Foreman’s brand made him more money than there is money. I just bought another grill.

I believe the Klits will follow this pattern as well.

Posted August 26, 2012 4:41 pm 


Kid Blast

Nor did early onset dementia :roll:

Posted August 26, 2012 4:39 pm 


B Red

get a life and stop hating Dara :twisted:

Posted August 26, 2012 4:39 pm 


Kid Blast

Indeed

Posted August 26, 2012 4:37 pm 


Kid Blast

BTW, when I listen to Gus Johnson and now Juan Diaz on Showtime, I lament on how much better that network would be if they hired you as a commentator. You have been in the ring, you talk the talk, and you walk the walk. WTF are they waiting for?

Posted August 26, 2012 4:34 pm 


Kid Blast

How you doing Ice?

Kid Blast (aka Ted Sares)

Posted August 26, 2012 4:31 pm 


Kid Blast

Plus he can play chess–something Bowe might have a problem with hese days I sense.

Posted August 26, 2012 4:30 pm 


Kid Blast

I agree Kenny. He would have bullied the bully and backed him up.

Posted August 26, 2012 4:28 pm 


Dr. Bill

Excellent interview. Scully is insightful, fair, and a gentleman.

Posted August 26, 2012 3:34 pm 


reality

Iceman John Scully – great interview, classy guy.

Posted August 26, 2012 2:00 pm 


reality

Kenny Weldon- Tyson paid 4 million to not fight Lewis, Bowe (cowardly/ shamefully)threw the prestigous WBC belt in the bin rather than face him (again after getting beaten up by him in the Olympics), Holyfield wanted no part of him either when he was in his prime (and you saw what happened in the first fight, he was totally outclassed). So it isn’t Lennox’s fault. However, he beat all of them up eventually and at their wasn’t much difference in their ages at the time. Out of all of them Lennox retired with the most, finances and health intact.

Posted August 26, 2012 1:58 pm 


Caballo

The two fights that have always bothered the heck out of me from boxing’s past. 1) Trinidad getting the decision over De La Hoya and 2) Leonard v. Hearns I being stopped too early.

Posted August 26, 2012 12:52 pm 


Caballo

Always a treat to listen to the Iceman!

Posted August 26, 2012 12:49 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Lewis beat Tyson when Lennox was past his peak, so what the hell difference would it have made?” – Difference is Lewis may have been past his prime but by then Mike was shot to bits and couldn’t even be bothered to train anymore. He was a burnout by then whereas a few years early he was still past his prime but at least he was still willing to fight.

Posted August 26, 2012 12:36 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Nice Q&A here. I agree with Scully on Bowe and always felt he had the makings of a potential all-timer. Height, reach, great jab, plenty of heart. Among the big men he was the best infighter I ever saw. He also threw the odd overhand right that surprised guys. Unfortunately he was too lazy and had a problem overeating. The domestic problems with his money grubbing wife didn’t help.

Posted August 26, 2012 12:34 pm 


blair

great interview scully

Posted August 26, 2012 10:48 am 


Alonzo

He was clumsy and slow—and yeah what happened to Jenna and that radio show??? The one where they had that chubby heavyweighton a lot—the panda?

Posted August 26, 2012 10:42 am 


Lloyd

What a classy interview, great insight! :)

Posted August 26, 2012 10:06 am 


dwc

Agreed Bowe had alot of good things about him but didnt live up to what he could have been overall. When Bowe turned up the heat Golata was not happy had to be pushed out for the next round at one point.Ashame Bowe didnt have his act together for the long run.

Posted August 26, 2012 9:33 am 


Kid Blast

:?: :?: :?: :?: :?: :roll: :roll:

Posted August 26, 2012 8:49 am 


NRZDA

A bit Off topic, but whatever happened to the girl Jenna and her radio show???

Posted August 26, 2012 8:24 am 


Ben

Absolutely fantastic, fascinating interview. Much appreciated!

Posted August 26, 2012 8:21 am 


Anonymous

I believe golata schooled him twice before getting disqualified

Posted August 26, 2012 7:02 am 


Dara

Found that comical also. Only in America do we consider Americans as the ATGs. Deluded

Posted August 26, 2012 6:26 am 


Anonymous

no mention of lewis yet he considers bowe to have had the potential to ge atg , u gotta b kiddin me

Posted August 26, 2012 5:51 am 


tomsey

Great interview!

Posted August 26, 2012 5:46 am 


cBob

very good interview! read every word.

Posted August 26, 2012 4:55 am 



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