Lomachenko was nothing short of spectacular. He looked like the seasoned professional. Speed, crisp clean shots. Beautiful ring generalship. He dominated like I thought he would. I had picked him to win this fight because he is a special talent. You could see it in the Salido fight. Russell Jr. looked more like the amateur even though he showed his skills in the fight. Lomachenko was simply better in all areas. His jab and right hook to both the head and body were excellent. His jab landed right on the button. His head movement was beautiful as he he gave different angles. He would slip to the left and counter than slip to the right and counter. Those body shots were great. He clinched effortlessly when he felt the need. When he stepped inside and got his punches off, he was always aware of Russell’s right hook counter. Lomachenko was a pleasure to see. Having come in with only to professional fights on his record and performing like he did shows you why elite amateur experience helps a lot. This kid will be one of the great ones. Look for this kid to do some big, big things.Posted June 22, 2014 2:22 am
munty the dog farmer
Wow boxtra got r@ped by Loma. Hard Real hard.Posted June 22, 2014 1:17 am
@Bearcat : Oh yeah , Vasyl had ” too much hype “…
Boxtra.., You say Russell by stoppage or no brainer decision… I say you’re wrong as usual damus. Last week you picked Martinez to beat Cotto for your umpteenth wrong pick.
This is not a betting fight… because it looks like another close fight, possibly a SD that could go either way… but just for fun I’ll pick Loma, who may possibly be down after a few rounds but will come on strong at the end.
He has so little experience that he’s learning as he goes like he did vs Salido. He’s a very brainy guy and that can even overcome inexperience.
I said below that this is far too risky a fight for Lomachenko to take — and he needs about 10 fights to acclimate his skills to the pro ranks… and even Rigondeaux needed 8 or 10 fights.
However Loma’s an extremely determined and headstrong individual. He likes to accomplish things nobody else would even try. Those types of people can often make that attitude work for them — when everybody else thinks they’re unbelievably fool hardy…
I guess tomorrow you won’t show … or you’ll say your desciple was working overtime impersonating you again.Posted June 21, 2014 9:49 pm
One again TARK says a lot but does NOT make a pick. But rest assured that he will say he KNEW it after the Fight is over. They call that Monday Morning Quarterbacking.Posted June 21, 2014 8:34 pm
……and I WILL be taking a TOAST to another CORRECT prediction!!Posted June 21, 2014 8:00 pm
Lomachenko is a SPOILED brat who wants to bypass earning a shot at the title. PRO Fights require some experience at the Championship level. WHY do you think Loma would have tied the record for least time to become CHAMP in his last Fight?? Loma doesn’t respect the Sport or he thinks he’s GREATER than he IS. His Defense is POROUS as is Russell’s. Both guys are there to be hit SO its going to come down to WHO can get their punch there first and WHO has more MUSTARD on their shots. Both answers are Russell Jr……Russell Jr. by SHOWCASE stoppage or NO brainer decision.Posted June 21, 2014 7:57 pm
Anonymous.., “TARK … I boxed as an international amateur in Almaty, Kazakhstan and Baku in Azerbaijan and everything is stacked in the favour of their boxers. The refs look for any excuse to warn, penalise and sometimes even obstruct the foreign fighter. The amateur game is more corrupt than the pro game.”
Yeah.. They’re both corrupt. It’s hard to say which is more corrupt. There’s more money involved in the pro game. Where millions of dollars are potentially at stake, people become amazingly creative and manipulative at influencing who will officiate a prize fight.
I’ve seen things in the amateurs that would set your hair on fire … there’s less scrutiny there, but you have to be more wary in the pro game. You’re dealing with craftier Machiavellians.Posted June 21, 2014 4:10 pm
IVAN: Yeah i just believe it could add even more to his arsenal learning a few pro tricks and techniques and his father is never going to want Lomachenko to grit it out but he’s going to have to learn that you wont always get the decision in the pro’s fighting in this style. I don’t believe Loma is faster and as for bigger i’m not sure i think feet-work will be the deciding factor in this fight and if Russell cant walk Loma down and get close this could be a Landslide. But i think its a really interesting fight/Posted June 21, 2014 3:00 pm
Graeme: Excellent point about Loma and his father/coach. His father’s advice to stay on the outside and score against Salido mislead Loma. The old Lomachenko is an excellent technique and conditioning coach but they need a smart pro cat to walk them through the ropes at least two or three fights. Someone with practical knowledge and tactical experience who can call the bluffs and scams.
As to Russel winning, it is not impossible but I would be truly amazed if his happens. He has fast hands but Loma is faster, stronger, bigger, better.Posted June 21, 2014 2:53 pm
These Conspiracy theories which you yanks consistently come out with are laughable what a ridiculous statement you cant possibly be so sure of Lomachenko. Russell Jnr. has a huge chance in this fight if Lomachenko had taken a similar route to Rigondeaux facing 8 fighters of a solid Professional calibre then took the title on but he was obviously set on the record he was trying to break which has clouded his judgement i believe in his progress he should also be working with another trainer even alongside his father for the transition.Posted June 21, 2014 2:49 pm
“Lomachenko becomes a champion UNLESS, UNLESS Haymon and the judges come together as one. That’s the only way Lomachenko can lose.” – Good post Hecdog. That’s always something to watch out for. It’s better this is in CA than Texas at least.Posted June 21, 2014 2:37 pm
Vasyl Lomachenko was an outstanding amateur but maybe for the pro’s he needs a well established professional trainer. His father has coached him sure and obviously the Ukrainian national coaches but he doesn’t always sit down on his punches and tries to be a little too precise with his counters he didn’t let many combinations go against Salido and doesn’t really know how to spoil and roll inside he’s so used to the point scoring system in the Amateurs that he needs to start concentrating on the pro system. Gary Russell \Jnr is untested but still has 24 professional fights to his credit and has went 10 rounds and 8 rounds on two occasions a piece and he has face some pretty durable guys in his career but skill level wise he is untested. I think Russell can win this and look pretty sharp doing it if he uses the jab and walks Lomachenko down which is easier said than done with Lomachenko’s brilliant footwork either way it’s an intriguing fight.Posted June 21, 2014 2:32 pm
You’ve lost all your credibility right of the bat. There were not a few low lows
There was tons of them and many of them were as blatant as hell
I’m racking my brains trying to think of a fight I’ve seen where more intentional low blows were thrownPosted June 21, 2014 11:33 am
There’s nothing I detest more than a bad writer with a clear agenda. Lomachenko’s loss to Salido was not “highly controversial” at all. There were a few low blows, some veteran roughhouse tactics, but the kid lost…deal with it. I’m sure Lomachenko himself has accept it and is a better fighter for it.Posted June 21, 2014 10:11 am
sredmont, whilst obviously a nutjob, is actually correct: there are too many people here with a rager for lomachenko who has underestimated how different the ams are from the pros. and gary russell is a talented fighter who has more pro rounds, and the weight of gbp/haymon on his side.Posted June 21, 2014 10:09 am
Vasyl Lomachenko should beat Gary Russell, given a competent above-board ref and fair judging. We do have think about these issues because they often decide the winner and the loser. If Loma loses legitimately, he and his team made a big error in rushing his development as a pro boxer…but I expect him to win.Posted June 21, 2014 6:32 am
Mongoose, I was waiting for somebody to bring up the footwork issue.
Luke my friend, I agree with you, but I think Lomachenko is the exception to the rule. I’m very interested to see how this fight plays out.Posted June 21, 2014 1:15 am
Loma has better character better genetics and lacks the slovenliness of the yank. The salvo well end up staying at lightsPosted June 21, 2014 12:45 am
Russell Jr. is an excellent boxer and he did beat beat 24 human bodies that offered absolutely no challenge whatsoever. Sure he looks good hitting the pads, which anyone can do if you know how to handle the mitts and have a little bit of boxing in you. Sure Russell Jr. looks good against D level caliber fighters. Yes he impresses those that don’t have real knowledge of boxing and watch him throw those fast punches. Russell Jr. looks like a million dollars. Now, look at his opponents. What good does it do a fighter if you have no challenges or don’t face any adversity in the ring. If I am better than my opponent by a thousand miles, I can go a thousand rounds. Someone please tell me what Russell Jr. has done to stand out. He was an excellent amateur, which Lomachenko dwarfs by miles. Gary Russell will have his ego deflated when he realizes that he’s fighting a southpaw that has seen it all and will hurt him. Lomachenko has faced adversity and fought a very durable and well accomplished Salido. He learned and gained more in this one fight than Russell Jr. has in 24 fights. This should be a good fight until Russel Jr. gets tagged hard and loses his composure. He will turn gun shy and lose a UD or get stopped late. Lomachenko can fight. Don’t look at his 2 proffesional fights and think he has a loss and he’s done because he’s not. He set goals, and has trained like a beast. Saturday night, Lomachenko becomes a champion UNLESS, UNLESS Haymon and the judges come together as one. That’s the only way Lomachenko can lose.Posted June 20, 2014 9:18 pm
Vasyl is gonna get knocked outPosted June 20, 2014 7:17 pm
Weigh in pics suggest Lomachenko has a big size advantage. Russell Jr has the seasoning. Good to see a high risk evenly matched title fight, but I still think Lomachenko is crazy to start his career out this fast. It’s a huge risk without hardly any pro experience and is totally counter-intuitive to how all prospects have been managed. I figure he’ll win by decision though.Posted June 20, 2014 6:50 pm
Russell by KOPosted June 20, 2014 6:49 pm
GRjr has very fast hands. But I think his feet aren’t on the same level. I think Lomachenko has much better timing. Salido gave Loma a nice and needed welcome to the pros. But Salido also has the ultimate pro style. You don’t get these kind of fighters in the amateurs. GRjr is more of a boxer. Lomachenko has seen hundreds of fast guys with good speed during his career. Plus GRjr is untested. Let’s see how far the confidence of 24 fights carry him.Posted June 20, 2014 6:20 pm
Then what does that make Salido? SRR? lmaoPosted June 20, 2014 6:15 pm
the defeat of Russell jr will be certain and complete, vasyl is an all- time greatPosted June 20, 2014 6:07 pm
All the amateur fights DID happen. Not the pro fights tho
That’s what VL needs. Not amateur fights. Pro fights.
BTW, Russell has a jab from hell, right hook from hell, and 25 or so pro fights.Posted June 20, 2014 6:02 pm
@ Yeah it would be. But I don’t see it happen. I think GRjr will eat the southpaw jab of Loma all night. Sure he’s new to the pro game but the guy has proven that he’s the real deal. GRjr hasn’t. Don’t pretend all the amateur fights didn’t happen.Posted June 20, 2014 5:37 pm
It’s going to be hilarious when the guy all the eastern bloc retards here touted as future GOAT loses yet again.Posted June 20, 2014 5:25 pm
vasyl must win to make up for all the discrimination edured by the people of eastern Europe, they have suffered greatly, more than anyone in America.Posted June 20, 2014 4:07 pm
vasyl win win by ko and be a all time great championPosted June 20, 2014 4:01 pm
Actually to Sredmonds point, the corner of Loma was pathetic in the Salido fight. Very unprepared, when you are in the pros you have to get respect of the opposition. Bad ref and all if he doesn’t call the low blows you have to retaliate. Low blows are debilitating, the corner should have been calling the ref to the mat and telling Loma to return the favor. altogether I worry about the management of this fighter.Posted June 20, 2014 2:16 pm
I see this as a very tough fight and one hard to call. Russell has the pro experience and Lomanchenko a great ameteur background. I didn’t see Lomanchenko adjust as well to the pros his last fight as expected. Can’t call this one either way, but have to give Lomanchenko credit for continuing to jump in the fire. To be honest it seems like a disservice to him from his management team. Russell has those fast hands, but is not as skillfull. Can’t call it.Posted June 20, 2014 2:01 pm
SREDMOND why would I listen to a racist piece of crap like you, Sean?Posted June 20, 2014 12:37 pm
Anonymous you have 0000 confidence in Lomanchenko you are already preloading excuses for this fighter… Weak man…No this is NOT the amateurs, he can lose if he gets in with a better pugilist absent subterfuge.Posted June 20, 2014 12:36 pm
Lomachenko wins IF it’s a fair fight and on weight. But I doubt that will happen as Lomachenko has already been fooked over once by Salido, so I can see it happening again. Russell Jr cheats his way to the title one way or another with the help of a crooked Ref and judges.Posted June 20, 2014 12:34 pm
Russell was the 2011 Prospect of the year anyone thinking that he is not on the radar of some hardcore and boxing writers is simply not in the loop.. He has been brought along very slow but thinking that he cannot fight is a mistake…Posted June 20, 2014 11:48 am
K2 Fan, whats the “hate” I simply see Loma as a guy with a reputation built in the amateurs and he was just defeated as a PRO in his second fight… NOW he is getting in with a talented young fighter who does not have a deep resume but he does have professional experience… Do you want me to assume that Loma’s amateur background will carry over? did not stop him from losing to Salido so he will have to prove his dominance as a pro…Posted June 20, 2014 11:47 am
’76 Olympic Team
Kid – you were thinking of the dog! hahahaPosted June 20, 2014 11:44 am
Is anyone out there able to tell me why Sredmond/Uncle Remus is on these threads , other than pure hate and sheer idiocy ?Posted June 20, 2014 10:59 am
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syuck in a moment
GR is not a major American prospect. Nobody knows who he is and he has a weak resume. VL wins this onePosted June 20, 2014 10:42 am
good fight!Posted June 20, 2014 10:14 am
Guys are really letting the success of Rigo make them think that every amateur is ready to come in and takeover.. Its like every High School Star thinking he is gonna hit the NBA and emulate Lebron’s learning curve… This is PRO boxing, big money is on the line and the scoring can be very different, your opponents are gonna be HARDER these are the people have taken this up for a living, some will be walkover opposition but Gary Russell Jr is not gonna be one of them.. I am not mad at Lomanchenko for taking some risk that said his first fight with Salido did not impress me despite the WHINING of some posters about Salidos tactics, FACT is that Salido is always a hardnosed rough fighter… Did Lomanchenkos people not know and prepare for this??Posted June 20, 2014 10:10 am
Ha haPosted June 20, 2014 8:19 am
PEEJ my darling friend :) come here and let me hold you tightPosted June 20, 2014 7:34 am
Just because Loma was unbeatable as an amateur doesn’t mean he can start off with 12-rounders, with much more liberal rules, smaller gloves, and often hostile referees.
TARK, the amateur game has some extremely hostile refs and judges.
I boxed as an international amateur in Almaty, Kazakhstan and Baku in Azerbaijan and everything is stacked in the favour of their boxers. The refs look for any excuse to warn, penalise and sometimes even obstruct the foreign fighter. The amateur game is more corrupt than the pro game.Posted June 20, 2014 5:40 am
I have Lomachenko outboxing Russel and possibly stopping him.
Is the above based on Vasyl’s last fight ? I can not understand the match making at all ? Great for Gary if he can shine against Lomachenko , if Gary out boxers & hustles Vasyl’s that would be terrible for the European fighter .Posted June 20, 2014 2:23 am
Salido is no joke. He was definitely not over the hill against Lomachenko. I see him beating Russel hands down.Posted June 20, 2014 1:21 am
Lomachenko has been fighting the best guys possible in each and every fight. I had him beating, Salido who in all honesty should have been disqualified for hitting low 60 or 70 times. The ref was terrible. Watching the fight, I wonder if the was paid off.
Russel was fighting guy with as many wins as he has losses in his 25th fight. Posters are talking about Russel as if he’s the next big thing. I just can’t see that.
I have Lomachenko outboxing Russel and possibly stopping him.Posted June 20, 2014 1:19 am
Russell is a much better fighter than Salido; however, lomechenko matches up better with Russell on a fundamental level. He’s not going to have to worry about rough housing from Russell. But from the sounds of Vasyl, he hasn’t been sparring against fast fighters leading up to this fight. Because of that he might be in for another rude awakening… If he can deal with the speed of Russell he’ll do fine. That’s a big if.Posted June 20, 2014 12:48 am
First.., Russell is a much better fighter than Salido..
Gary is a world champion caliber fighter. I had Lomachenko beating Salido, but Mikey Garcia made a total punching bag out of Salido, who couldn’t hang.. Vasyl is not where Mikey is.. Russell would have stopped Salido late – not as comprehensively as Garcia was doing him.
Just because Loma was unbeatable as an amateur doesn’t mean he can start off with 12-rounders, with much more liberal rules, smaller gloves, and often hostile referees.
That’s not how it’s done… No matter how great you are, you have to acclimate to the pro game and rules for 20 fights – maybe 10 fights in Loma’s case – but what he’s doing is nuts.
I don’t think he’ll be hurt, and he might even win—but why not have a little patience and adapt all your knowledge and skill to the pro game over a few fights? Taking unnecessary risks and losses is too smart, “In this corner — with 1 win and 2 losses.”
Nobody wants to hear anything like that if he has one loss in 400 amateur fights.Posted June 20, 2014 12:37 am
Vasyl will win this thing easy. He’s the superior talent. I think its gonna be a loooooong night for russel jrPosted June 19, 2014 10:22 pm
@. Kid flash no it’s because he is too green to understand he is not in boxing he is nothing amateurs it’s all business :)
You’re comprehension ( English) is a little off punchkey .
As what you state in the above is the same as what i said .Posted June 19, 2014 9:49 pm
Here is an example if you’re there good provider and you know you can win this fight or it can be close but if you can get away with a couple of low blows and elbows and you’ll guaranteed to win you will use that that’s professionalPosted June 19, 2014 9:41 pm
@. Kid flash no it’s because he is too green to understand he is not in boxing he is nothing amateurs it’s all business :)Posted June 19, 2014 9:39 pm
Punchkey . It was Vasyl’s inability to deal with Salido , with all his dirty tactics Vasyl needed to fight fire with fire , and he did not .
Good point Robert.Posted June 19, 2014 8:59 pm
Golden boy won the purse bid. Lamanchenko will need a KO, or a VERY decisive victory to win. Every close round will go to Russell.Posted June 19, 2014 8:38 pm
Come on guys you should know better you should know boxing and Loma first fight was versus Salido
One comparison is the top Am guy who fought Floyd Patterson in his first pro fight.
Got to give Lomachenko respect for trying again…, but have to go with Russell on this fight.Posted June 19, 2014 7:41 pm
Salido is a very beatable fighter who has only lost 4 times in the last 13 years
The 4 men to have got the better of him during that period
Juan Manuel Marquez who had 43 fights at the time
Yuriorkis Gamboa who had 18 fights
Mikey Garcia 30 fights
A SD to 48 fight veteran Cristobal Cruz which he later avengedPosted June 19, 2014 7:13 pm
I have to say, how they are steering Lomanchenko’s career is admirable, and never been done before but im sure no one would begrudge him if he fought even 5 pro fights before facing comp like this. I recall them doing a similar thing with Kostya, he was facing former WBC featherweight champion Juan Laporte in his 5th fight, but it wasn’t for a title and Laporte was past his best by then. We just saw Lomancheko lose to a similar opponent in Salido. Still it takes guts and you gotta love itPosted June 19, 2014 6:54 pm
Russell udPosted June 19, 2014 6:50 pm
Kid Flash, I understood you perfectly my friend.Posted June 19, 2014 6:24 pm
Sorry I was calling Gary Jack for some reason ?Posted June 19, 2014 6:22 pm
Wow this is a total mismatch for Vasyl. Gary’s speed is waaay too much for anyone deal with and this will show in the later rounds when Gary starts lighting him up. Gary by 10rdTkoPosted June 19, 2014 6:18 pm
The only difference , is that Jack will not use the dirty tactics that Salido did use .
Thurmal Underwear my friend, I think there’s more questions to ask about Russel Jr. than there is about Lomachenko. Jr. has never been tested, never faced adversity, never really been pushed to fight at a tough pace. We don’t know how well he takes a punch. Sure he looks good against those lower level quality fighters he has fought, but can he do it against a quality southpaw that just fought a well seasoned welterweight, hurt him a few times and should have won in my opinion. Salido is a monster that brings it, and those extra pounds he had to his advantage helped him a lot. I’ve seen Lomachenko for a few years now, and I do believe he will decisively beat Russel jr. Lomachenko should have had a few fights as a professional, but this young man is confident, he talks very little, stays in shape and is confident he can deal and beat any style. Russel jr, has the speed, but what happens when that edge is taken away? What happens when he gets hurt? Lomachenko IMHO will win this fight.Posted June 19, 2014 6:10 pm
dude isn’t ready for Russell…..he tried getting in over his head last time, this is step up yet! bad move i think…Posted June 19, 2014 6:02 pm
SREDMOND my friend, how’s this. Lomachenko will win this fight.Posted June 19, 2014 5:46 pm
Hecdog, you are making ALOT of excuses and the fight has not even come off… YOU are acting like Bears and Tark basically alleging corruption instead of offering your pick and the reasons why you believe he will win…Posted June 19, 2014 5:42 pm
I think you have to accept the reality is that Lomanchenko is at the PRO level now… He won almost 400 amateur bouts with one loss YET in his first 2 pro fights he already booked a loss to a VERY beatable fighter who has NEVER been anyones virtuoso… Russell has MORE pro experience and he has serious talent, I gotta go with Russell everyones thinking this guy is gonna duplicate Rigondeaux who was a surprise.Posted June 19, 2014 5:40 pm
Lomachenko will beat the unproven Gary Russell Jr. He learned more in one fight than Russel Jr. has learned in his 24 fights. Lomachenko would have had the same record had he also fought those same fighters. Lomachenko is the more talented fighter that has mental toughness, durability and has faced every style in the amateurs. The Salido fight gave Lomachenko the experience he needed against a former world champion that held his own with the best and was actually a welterweight when he stepped in the ring with Lomachenko that night. He had Salido hurt a few times. That experience alone will be the difference in this fight. Gary Russel Jr. thus far has proved nothing. He has speed and good skills, but I question his mental toughness when things don’t go his way. I’ve seen him get hit a few times and backs off a bit with that deer in the head lights look. He has never had to face any adversity, and he will deal with it against Lomachenko. I see Lomachenko winning this fight by UD or late stoppage. The real difficulty for Lomachenko will be Al Haymon who promotes Russel Jr, and those judges. I would love to see a stoppage either way because Haymon vs GBP can sway things very easy. My pick is Lomachenko in a routing 12 round decision, but I don’t trust those judges to give the correct decision. Lomachenko is the real deal, and he is going to get better. Russel Jr. wasted a lot of time listening to himself and others about how good he is. He had 24 fights and never was never pushed not because he was so great but because they fed him C & D level fighters. Talented boxers have to face adversity to get better. Lomachenko wins this one if Haymon doesn’t throw his power around.Posted June 19, 2014 5:37 pm
Vasyl sure is jumping straight into the deep end of the pool .Im pretty sure this is not the best thing for his career , even Rigo took a couple of easier fights to start. I have to agree with sreadmond on this one .Posted June 19, 2014 5:30 pm
HMMMMMM Haimat predicting a HOF career for anyone EARLY is DUMB that said a guy dropping a bout to Salido hardly looks like he is a HOFer… We all know Salido’s a tough hombre but Lomanchenko has a LONG way to go from dropping one against this guy to the HOF…. Remember I have no issue educating you Haimat, such is the kindness of my spirit…HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This guy is likely not gonna get past Russell…Posted June 19, 2014 5:22 pm
SREDMOND, that comment pretty much sums up your incompetence about boxing. LOL, I almost forgot about your incredibly dumb posts.Posted June 19, 2014 5:09 pm
This is an exciting match, really tough on both, I go for Lomachenko.Posted June 19, 2014 5:05 pm
Boycott this match!Posted June 19, 2014 4:27 pm
“Future Hall of Famer” the kid just lost to Salido who has 15 losses or something crazy like that.. Mikey Garcia ripped Salido apart before that butt… Lomanchenko has a serious assignment ahead of him with Russell he is likely gonna lose and it could get ugly..Posted June 19, 2014 4:20 pm
Boycott this matchPosted June 19, 2014 4:12 pm
Why do they call it featherweight? There’s so much more on the line than feathersPosted June 19, 2014 3:56 pm
thank goodness all of the fighters from the former soviet union can turn pro, now we will have champions who are truly world champions, good luck to vasyl, who is a future hall of famer.Posted June 19, 2014 3:42 pm