floyd would draw 80.000 in wembley v a bum like khan. that’s his plan anywayPosted June 7, 2014 2:03 am
If that meeting does occur, Ward will outbox GGG. Ward is better.Posted June 5, 2014 11:53 am
GGG really does have that flat face thing working for him. Total boner territory.Posted June 5, 2014 6:37 am
That will happen in a couple years.. Be patient.. Golovkin has to unify first.Posted June 4, 2014 10:58 pm
this fan would like to see golovkin vs ward for lb for lb champPosted June 4, 2014 5:54 pm
Everyone’s an expert.Posted June 4, 2014 5:40 pm
That’s why Floyd planned a hype trip to England this month… He’s hot after Wembley Stadium and Amir Khan.Posted June 4, 2014 5:30 pm
Ward would love to fight Froch in Wembly Stadium… Who doesn’t want a piece of that action??? 80,000 plus fans.
Ali, Lewis, Haye, Wladimir, Vitali, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Foreman, Marciano, Liston, or Patterson never fought in front of that many fans.Posted June 4, 2014 5:29 pm
The title of this article is way funny. hahahahahaPosted June 4, 2014 2:59 pm
Ward has made fcuk all money in his career
He waits for the pay phone in the motel foyer
Meanwhile thousands of marauding UK fight fans invade Vegas to declare war on the Mexicans and watch Carl Froch beat up iron chined fat stoner Deceased Chavez Jnr
Brilliant . . .Posted June 4, 2014 8:15 am
“Ward is still waiting on that phone call to go to England. Where you at froch and hearn.”
Unfortunately Ward’s phone is set up to block all international calls. So I guess he’s going to be waiting a long time.Posted June 4, 2014 7:47 am
yeah, gotta love the new boxtra. much better than the other boneheadPosted June 4, 2014 6:53 am
This new box tra is better than the old one. Good work. Keep it up.Posted June 4, 2014 6:52 am
Hidalgo.., “How do you know this stuff TARK”
Wlad probably told that funny story a thousand times. Gets around.Posted June 3, 2014 7:44 pm
boxing skills did rule the day red. Groves doesn’t have anyPosted June 3, 2014 7:39 pm
Groves ruined me, I was certain boxing skills would rule the day, but how can you put one punch knock outs into any real calculations . Anyway Froch does it yet again, what a champ. It’s a pity Ward will always be number 1 as his skills are untouchable, but Froch is great to watch and a proper Champ….Posted June 3, 2014 6:27 pm
BTW.., David Haye has a very sound stance, regardless if he has also been trained by Adam Booth. He keeps his head back. He has the right flex in his knees to move sharply and fluidly, stepping out of corners and around the ring smartly, and he slips punches expertly. When he clinches he locks you up and you can’t do a thing.
Groves is lower, his stance is wider, and he has a forward head. He hops around like a bunny rabbit and lets you cut him off. He ends up on the ropes. He gives you room to punch him in the clinches and is slow at tying you up. He lacks raw strength.
So to say he fights like Haye? He wishes he did. Amir Khan is trained by the same guy who trains Andre Ward. He sure as Hell doesn’t have the same skills.
Steward.., “What are you laughing at Ladimir.”
Wladimir.., “This is the same footwork drill they taught me my first day when I was 8.”
Steward.., “You need to go over it again. Call it a refresher course.”Posted June 3, 2014 6:02 pm
Not only Groves, but Froch too, both in the wrong game, they defy all boxing basics, no balance, a lot of arm punches and
Patrice Jones says.., “Forch avenged his Kessler loss, and totally demolished and permanently ruined the super talented Bute”
Froch had better and more impartial judges for Kessler II — but he won both fights.
Bute is not super talented dude… GTFOOH
Bute is weak, soft, tentative, and a poor defender. Losing to a hard, strong, big punching warrior like Froch was inevitable for Bute. He was overrated because he never met a good prime boxer before. I put Bute in the same category as Calzaghe and Groves. They were all wide open and easy to hit. Calzaghe wasn’t as easy to hit as Groves and Bute are, but Joe lacked some of the same basic skills, such as a truly functional stance.
Where Groves is better than Calzaghe or Bute were—but the worst of three overall—is that Groves can jab better … and throws a better straight power shot. But Groves stance, footwork, clinching skills, and defense put him on the bottom of the pile … He is indeed a toddler with a loaded diaper.Posted June 3, 2014 5:08 pm
Groves fights like a toddler with a loaded diaper … LMFAO!!!!Posted June 3, 2014 5:04 pm
“Groves-Bika would be interesting. BIka is a tough guy but one of the least talented people to hold any paper title at the moment.” – Good idea Turbo, however only after a tuneup or two. Bika is slow but a tough SOB who can bang. Groves needs to fight a light hitter in his comeback to make sure his chin isn’t gone.Posted June 3, 2014 2:41 pm
Ward’s a bum! But not as big a bum as that bum Froch! Who’s he beaten? Groves? He’s a bum etc, etc, etc…Posted June 3, 2014 1:49 pm
Ward is great champion. Possibly greatest champion. Ward will pound Froch. I am greatest!!!!!Posted June 3, 2014 1:25 pm
Yes the public would buy into Ward vs Froch 2, especially in London.
Froch is the kind of brawler that has a chance against anyone, also due to his stamina and chin.
Ward is not that difficult to read, we all know his game; Stiff jab + hold + move away.
Frochs camp has shown that they can put up a very precise gameplan that exploits the opponents weakness.Posted June 3, 2014 12:49 pm
No you twat. Ward is too inactive. Froch has all the momentum while Ward only has a thumb up his bum. Froch by nasty Nottingham KO if they get in the ring again!!!! I and only I am the greatest fight PROPHET ever born!!!!!Posted June 3, 2014 12:13 pm
FROCH vs Ward will be a great fight. Froch has heart but Ward got the skillz that pay the billz. Bet the wife, children and your mommy’s backside on Ward to do beatdown part two on Froch!!!!! I am the greatest fight PROPHET ever born!!!!Posted June 3, 2014 12:05 pm
Good points re FROCH rematching SOG. The only thing stopping a rematch is will the public at large buy into it?
If they do, then we can really debate about who learned more from the first fight. The Victor, Ward or the vanquished, FROCH. Sometimes, the loser of the original fight can learn more and avenge even the biggest defeats.
3 years have past, one guy has been busy, the other injured, involved in litigation and had very little ring time… Whether or not this is a hindrance or blessing we will only know if they meet.
Right now Carl is super confident, and will have the benefit of doing 12 rounds previously with Ward. It all depends if SOG is still at the level of their first fight, or has he deteriorated?
Personally, I would prefer to see Carl do his Vegas thing and then finish his career with Ward!Posted June 3, 2014 11:01 am
barlow – no one. ward will retire undefeated, at least that’s how I see it panning outPosted June 3, 2014 10:53 am
But wait froch fans say ward is unwilling to travel. Ward got on sky and said he would and for hearn to give him a call, but now hearn and froch dont owe him nothing. Which is it. Froch is willing to come to Vegas to fight Chavez and not ward. Yep.Posted June 3, 2014 10:52 am
piechucker – Who does have a chance of beating Ward though?Posted June 3, 2014 10:15 am
and where are the articles on sturm-soliman 2 ?Posted June 3, 2014 10:05 am
I would hate to see froch-ward 2. based purely on the fact that froch doesn’t have a snowballs chance in hell of beating ward. I doubt he’d win 2 rounds.Posted June 3, 2014 10:04 am
Interesting view on this fight but not quite how I seen it. I picked Groves to win this one on points. I even had a sneaking feeling he would win by a wide decision and make Froch look really bad in the process. As it turns out I think I grossly over estimated Groves’ skills and under estimated Froch’s. Looking back I should have known better. Its easy to look at Froch as a KO artist but anyone who has watched his recent fight with Kessler and his battle with Pascal would know that there is more to Froch’s game than his ‘equalizer’. Yet in the first fight Groves really did look a different class. He got at Froch in a way no fighter has ever done before for 8 rounds. Taylor gave Froch a bit of a whooping in the first half of their fight but Groves put Froch on a beating that at one point had me thinking back to Calzaghe’s dominating performance over Jeff Lacey. I viewed the knock out as robbery. Groves should have been able to continue. But whilst I viewed it as a robbery I also was of the opinion that Groves had got a bit carried away. He was starting to gas out and whilst there was no doubt he had been in control of the fight (I had him winning all but one round up until the 9th and one round was a 10/8 round so he had effectively won every round going into the 9th) What would have happened after was very much up for debate. He was running out of steam, and Froch was really starting to come forward. In fact after the dust had settled and Groves had got his rematch I really did think that Groves had been given the best chance to win this fight. He didn’t have risk fighting those last three rounds on empty against a attacking Froch and could learn from his mistake and ensure he could keep enough gas in the tank to ensure he could handle Froch’s on slaught in the return fight. I really thought this time round Groves would just use his skills and speed and clearly outbox Froch. But this is where I made my mistake. I under estimated Froch’s skills. Whilst there was no way Froch was ever going to out box Groves on fight night he proved he had enough skills to play it cautious and stifle Groves. I also over estimated Groves’ skills as it became apparent pretty quickly that a quick change of tactic really made it hard for Groves to get his shots off. So what unfolded in my eyes was a very closely fought fight. Froch definitely lived up to his cobra name and kept frustrating Groves and tempting him into making mistakes. I have read a number of different views on how the fight was unfolding up until the knock out, but I actually had Groves a point up going into the round he got knocked out. Whilst I was alarmed at how difficult it was for Groves to get to Froch compared to the last fight I still felt he had done the better work to nick rounds. In fact I started to feel in the 7th and pre the knock out that Groves was finally starting to get hold of the fight. But to do it, because of Froch’s tactics in this fight he was taking more risks that he had to in the first fight. And that’s when Froch found the ‘that’ punch, and the rest in now history. What I do think is interesting though is that Froch has only fought rematches twice in his career. He clearly lost against Kessler in Denmark and I felt Kessler had really put a stamp on that fight to prove he was the better fighter. Yet in the rematch Froch made adjustments to beat Kessler in a better fashion to how Kessler beat him in Denmark. Now in this fight against Groves he turned a fight where he got completely out classed and humiliated for 8 rounds into a fight where he stayed with a decent boxer for 8 rounds before finding an awesome punch. Taking this into consideration what adjustments could Froch make in a return with Ward? I never really had an interest in seeing Froch Ward 2. I felt that Ward had shown without a shadow of a doubt he is the better fighter than Carl. But the recent fights with Kessler and Groves have made a rematch with Ward a interesting proposition given Carl’s proved ability to up his game in rematches.Posted June 3, 2014 9:55 am
Ward needs to get Hunters meat out of his back passage and start fighting. He is a part timer unworthy of a top 100 ranking. Take it out Ward, u f@ggot.Posted June 3, 2014 8:29 am
Ward is still waiting on that phone call to go to England. Where you at froch and hearn.Posted June 3, 2014 8:20 am
joekidd – so froch will never face a good boxer? WTF is wrong with you. froch has the best boxing resume on the planet, he has fought EVERYONE. are you new to boxing or just being a stirrer?Posted June 3, 2014 8:06 am
Joekid – u must be kidding.
But joekid, that’s not what actually makes Froch great. What makes him great at the end of the day is his resume. Who of modern boxers has a better one over the last 5 years.
All this criticism of his lack of technical skills turns out to be crap because he keeps on winning irrespective, and he has only lost to excellent fighters. Hail Froch.Posted June 3, 2014 8:05 am
The only thing that would ever impress me about Groves is if he could do that Rubik cube with his boxing gloves on!!!Posted June 3, 2014 7:01 am
Groves did okay other than, as the article stated, being static, having his left hand to low, and a few times too many not moving his head- which was shown in the replays eating jabs flush on the button. He does expel a lot of energy, but he has a reach disadvantage and is somewhat top heavy, so keeps his legs too far apart. Fk the police. He has been poisoned by working with the joke trainer that is Adam Booth. He has a lot to learn. I think DeGale would beat him, and did get a bit of a rough decision when they fought. Groves’ advantage was always to push Froch from controlling the centre by using his jab, and, when landing combos, to move asap, and Froch counters combos with combos. Sitting on the ropes vs Froch is suicide. Why didn’t he duck and move? Surely the occasion got to him. Like I said, fk the police.Posted June 3, 2014 5:30 am
Bill Patrice Jones
Fight was very close, very competitive. I had it Groves by 1 point if he’d made it out of the 8th. Froch just had a really steely resolve this time around, he seemed more confident from the very start. Personally Groves never totally controlled the pace the way he did the first time around. Was slightly shocked at his lack of stamina, and he just never managed to control the fight this time even when he was winning rounds. Great fight unbelievable knockout. Somtimes I forget just how hard Froch’s one punch power is. His career has just been unbelievable from the time he first won the belt until now. I’d say the first wave of his top level career started with beating Pascal and ended with the losses to Kessler and Ward in the super six. His post super six career has been such you can’t take anything away from him. Avenged his Kessler loss, totally demolished and permanently ruined the super talented Bute and now gets revenge for the Groves controversyPosted June 3, 2014 4:32 am
joekidd, your analysis and hatred of froch tells me he,s battered one of idols!! sorry i can,t give you any reassurance or comfort cuz he might give him a rematch and batter him again, then we,re back to square one.Posted June 3, 2014 3:58 am
Nothing wrong with Groves style imo, he just doesn’t have the stamina to maintain it for 12 rounds against A level fighters.Posted June 2, 2014 10:47 pm
Seriously the ones who need to pull their heads out of their a$$es are the executives at showtime and HBO. Do they not know that they are the ones the call that should be calling the shots? Why the F&*k have they kissed Al Haymon’s a$$ after having kissed Don King’s a$$ for so many years. Most of these promotors do not even promote much. They just book a fight in vegas and let the casino’s promote it and collect a 7 figure licensing fee from HBO or SHowtime. The two big networks need to meet with the promotors and be firm with them. Managers should not even be needed nowadays. HBO and Showtime need to pay out for quality inter promotional fights. And Fu*king lowball BOTH promotors big time over and over again if all they want to do is make in house fights. Where else are they gonna take their fights? ESPN? Telemundo. The networks hold all the power but refuse to wield it. The promotors do this to us because the networks enable them and allow it.Posted June 2, 2014 10:03 pm
Ward only fights once a year these days. If the whole division stood still waiting for Ward, that would be a problem.
The Groves fights were mandated by the IBF so not exactly cherry picked by Froch. I don’t think there’s a lot wrong with being 2nd best in your division and selling out arena’s.
I don’t see Ward rushing to get in the ring with GGG or Kovalev either. I like Ward but sadly don’t see him rushing to get in the ring with anyone these days. The last live body he fought was Froch right?Posted June 2, 2014 8:27 pm
Bubble gum Ward, he has gone stale now, he doesn’t have it, chip on shoulder, no interest in being a great boxer, will not travel, lets argue with promoters, stagnant.Posted June 2, 2014 8:21 pm
First of all, beating Groves is no big deal. Froch made Groves into this overnight sensation by letting himself get caught with that right. Now he destroys the overnight sensation that he created. So why does that suddenly make him so great? He’s the same guy that did nothing against Ward! The promoter will never match him with Ward because the golden goose would be cooked! Put it another way: the British bubble would go kaboom!Posted June 2, 2014 8:10 pm
Froch is a much stronger fighter now since 2011 and the Ward fight, can anyone understand that, he is the money fighter now also at 168. Ward is not relevant as he not even fighting, so why would a promoter discuss any fight with him, when he is in litigation with his own promoter,Froch has business to do with other fighters for big money, not waiting around for Ward.Posted June 2, 2014 8:05 pm
@JoeKidd. Yea, I think GGG, And Kovalev would beat Froch and I know Ward would. But then again, only 1 of the 3 are in his weight division and he’s already fought him.
I’m not a Froch fan but he does get my respect. The argument currently raging in the UK is that Froch is the No1 in terms of £££ in that division as Ward struggles to sell out a sports hall. If he fought Ward on the moon, he’d still be a big outside shot.Posted June 2, 2014 8:04 pm
Off topic, but good point below. You want to see the best, most exciting fighter in the game against the best. Not repeats! This is not Police Academy! Even Broner would be a more exciting option than Marquez again.Posted June 2, 2014 8:03 pm
ESPN and Yahoo reporting that Richard Schaffer has officially left Golden Boy.
Dan Rafael believes this will lead to Golden Boy and Top Rank working together — although this would appear to be limited to fighters with official contracts with Golden Boy.
The winner in this fight between Schaffer and De La Hoay is probably Manny Pacquiao who will get better fights than Marquez, Rios, Provodnikov, etc. although it is unclear who in Golden Boy is under official contract and would fight at 140-147.
It just doesn’t look like Pacquiao vs. Mayweather will happen.
But at least the boxing world wins because any good competitive fight is better than Pacquiao vs. Marquez 5-6-7 etc.Posted June 2, 2014 8:01 pm
Froch could never beat a tough proper boxer. Ward, Golovkin etc. He punches like a bar fighter with arms coming from the waist, round house. An inside fighter should always be able to punish him. Still, I would always watch Froch. He’s got guts. He reminds me of Rocky. Punches the same way too!Posted June 2, 2014 7:59 pm
Froch is now TBE? And he was schooled only recently? And that guy is still boxing? In his own weight class? Propaganda in full force!Posted June 2, 2014 7:56 pm
@JoeKidd, who would you like to see him fight that he hasn’t already? I think his resume compares favourably with any fighter out there. You have to give Froch 100% credit for his toughness and his power. However, he can be outboxed and this is what Groves was attempting to do rather than go for the KO which was his much publicised plan.
Can only commend Froch for how much he has achieved. What he lacks in natural boxing ability, he’s been overly gifted in the chin department. To say he hasn’t fought anyone decent is a bit crazy, he only fought Groves x2 because they were his mandatories.Posted June 2, 2014 7:55 pm
Groves was knocked out, it wasn’t due to carelessness, it was due to Froch wearing him down, title fights are 12 rounds, not 6 rounds, 7 rounds, 8 rounds, 9 rounds all roads lead to Froch, the best 168 fighter. Froch is much better since the super six fight v Ward, won 5 fights against great competition, better fighter with more experience with the 5 fights.Posted June 2, 2014 7:49 pm
Smart title. Good analysis. Froch is now a legend. For what? Coming out on top of the modern day “big” fight. Total hype. Was an awful boxing match. 2 awkward guys twitching away. More twitch than anything else. Grove never went at Froch like he did in the first fight. So basically he was just sitting back waiting to get clocked. Now Froch will never shut up. And he’ll never fight a proper fighter.Posted June 2, 2014 7:49 pm
For ALL who didn’t know it Froch WON by Nottingham NASTY knockout just as I predicted!!!!!! YES. I am STILL the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!!!!!!Posted June 2, 2014 7:48 pm
Very technical insight, unfortunately not of the 2nd fight though. If anything Groves looked to be getting stronger as the fight progressed. He’d deliberately paced himself to try to steal a points win. In my opinion, he may have pulled it off too if it weren’t for a moment of carelessness in round 8. However, what the fight boiled down to like so many Froch fights is who can take the big shots and George just couldn’t. Much too early to write Groves off, he’s still as good as he was after the 1st fight and still carries the same strengths and weaknesses. Above all, he’s still young and has time on his side…Posted June 2, 2014 7:35 pm
YesPosted June 2, 2014 6:20 pm
Great insightful technical points.
Paragraphes might help with the digestion though..Posted June 2, 2014 6:01 pm
Would have to disagree with almost every word of this article. Lots of great fighters have strange styles not many have text book styles. Take Froch his style is awful he crosses his feet, moves back in straight line’s, end’s up square on after combinations, carries his hands low and takes far to many shots and yet he’s a 4 time world champion. To blame Groves style on this loss and the previous ( which was a poor referees decision ) is ludicrous styles make fights and Froch’s style is taylor made for a quick counter puncher who sits on the back foot.
Mr Strauss watch the fight back but take of your Froch tinted glassesPosted June 2, 2014 5:53 pm
LOL headline. It’s an uncalled for metaphor though. Give respect to the warriors of this game.Posted June 2, 2014 5:22 pm
If I was Ward no way would I come to UK. Ward is not stupid he knows he will get stuffed in Uk, he will be fighting in the smallest ring you ever seen & just before he does his ring walk the canvas will be changed to a new surface that’s like a soft sand beach. God I thought Frank Warren was a crook, he got nothing on fast Eddie. You lot talk about FMW & SRL wanting it all there own way, at least the opponent knew what they were doing unlike clueless George.Posted June 2, 2014 5:19 pm
As from now, Groves is damaged goods, if he fights Degale or Bika next, he will lose.
Infact, I’m pretty sure Groves will not reproduce his first performance against Froch again.Posted June 2, 2014 4:55 pm
Turb0-H@mster doing science
Groves-Bika would be interesting. BIka is a tough guy but one of the least talented people to hold any paper title at the moment.Posted June 2, 2014 4:50 pm
belly mate Groves aint a greaty fighter, great figfhters dont throw left hooks at the same time their opponent throws a straight right, hence KO’d.Posted June 2, 2014 4:30 pm
Exactly, spot on.Posted June 2, 2014 4:24 pm
Groves tries to fight like David Haye. Now he’s with Paddy maybe he’ll make changes which will be good as he’s not a Haye clone.Posted June 2, 2014 3:55 pm
carl and George are great fightersPosted June 2, 2014 3:44 pm
i hear he”s a good chess player.Posted June 2, 2014 3:34 pm
Groves has speed, power, good footwork, good overall boxing abilities, he can make a decent living and make a name for himself if he chooses the proper path.Posted June 2, 2014 3:21 pm
LMFAO!!!Posted June 2, 2014 3:14 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan
As I wished, Carl Froch beat George Groves again. I am very happy about that.Posted June 2, 2014 3:03 pm
Groves looks just like David Haye the way he postures and has his legs so far apart–Adam Booth has said he like to train nimbler, lighter footed guys so they can use their speed going in and out. When Groves attacks he looked (to me) like a right handed version of Adonis Stevenson’s last performance- pretty much just 1-2. 1-2. 1. 1-2–pot shotting and trying to land that one big punch instead of putting anything together and just letting his hands go. Had he actually been wearing a full diaper…..it would have been slopped all over him when Froch put that 2 piece on him WOOOO!!!! That was the exact same left hook right cross that Lewis dusted Rahman with so long ago–and more famously the same combo that Wladimir Klitschko recently used to demolish….what was his name?Posted June 2, 2014 2:57 pm
the comedy gets better.Posted June 2, 2014 2:40 pm
I will be without web access for at least a few days, so any posts you see under my alias/handle will be the work of an imposter — my secret admirer. Later fellas…
thank god!Posted June 2, 2014 2:30 pm
Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster
In his pro career Groves has always gassed after a brawl. My theory is that he’s not chinny but loses energy if you punish his body. Froch wore him down with body shots and even though Groves was still competitive both times they’ve fought, he slowed both times and the referees decided that he couldn’t defend himself both times.
In defence of Groves’ heart and of referees I have to commend the immediate stoppage. Groves actually got up after it was waved off and no doubt would have fought on and been mullered if the ref allowed it. We’ve seen tragic fights where that happened. The ref did what was in the fighter’s best interests rather than counting to 10, despite the controversy and the way that his predecessor from the first fight has been treated by Groves and his fans. It took guts to do the right thing and his decision could have saved Groves’ health and his career.Posted June 2, 2014 2:29 pm
Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)
I will be without web access for at least a few days, so any posts you see under my alias/handle will be the work of an imposter — my secret admirer. Later fellas…Posted June 2, 2014 2:25 pm
There are a lot of elite fighters with weird styles.
Groves is not yet an elite fighter — but he has potential.
I think it is great that he keeps his right hand high and he throws the right with good power coming up from his legs.
I think it is not so great that he keeps his left hand so low.
But the biggest problem with Groves may not be the silliness that this guy Paul Strauss is puking out (diaper? I mean, Groves is a tough guys who gave Froch one of the biggests tests of his career).
The biggest problem with Groves is probably his chin.
He seems to get wobbled pretty quickly. It would be great to see Groves in the ring against good — but not great — super middleweights and see if Groves can get some big wins, get some knockouts and have his chin tested.
Then maybe in 18 months or so, let’s see Groves go for a championship again.
I don’t see any point in calling this guy childish names. Groves helped produce 80,000 fans and one of the biggest boxing events in 25 years. I don’t see the point in calling this guy silly names. Groves is good for boxing. He may not be a great fighter — but he is good for boxing.Posted June 2, 2014 2:16 pm