Nah… Enough is too much for Mayweather… Again I say all the convenient negativity has nothing to do with whether Pacquiao is worthy or not, and everything to do with mainly Mayweather fans trying to protect Floyd, because they fear he’d be in serious trouble if the two ever fought!Posted December 10, 2013 1:09 am
Manny brings the fight to Floyd and makes Floyd produce an offense. Manny takes Floyd in a SD …Posted December 9, 2013 1:36 pm
All about the dollars. When Pacquiao accepts that he will get less than half the purse of Mayweather will this fight ever happen. Bob Arum will not accept that so there you have it. Mayweather love him or hate him he controls the money and the demands on any of his fights. Pacquiao beat up a punching bag. I take that back a punching bag moves side to side Rios just took a beating and smiled about it. No sense to move his head I guess. The guys calling the fight tried to play the angle that he’s a tough guy. Tough guys fight back and don’t smile.Posted December 8, 2013 8:05 pm
PAC IS #1.Posted December 8, 2013 4:01 pm
PAC is a warrior so he is willing to fight anybody, including warriors. Mayweather is a coward so he is going to cherry pick more turtles again.Posted December 8, 2013 3:59 pm
@Whoever, That’s right brother. PAC is the #1 threat to Mayweather. So far in 5 years, Mayweather has NOT had the confidence to face his GREATEST FEAR, and may never will.Posted December 8, 2013 3:57 pm
@jb221, Oh Yeah, “Mayweather would beat PAC easy?” Unfortunately, Mayweathers thinks the other way around–PAC would beat the hell out of Mayweather. So, what would he do? Running as usual would be the best strategy for Mayweather.
And you know what? Mayweather already lost the fight outside the ring because he doesn’t even have the courage to talk about it when it comes to fighting Pacquiao. Mayweather already imagines how he is going to get beat up by the PacMan, so why would he walk into the land of no return, The PacLand?Posted December 8, 2013 3:55 pm
Tomato Can Stan
Tark – de la Hoya thoroughly out-boxed Trinidad. He lost because he gave the last few rounds away.Posted December 7, 2013 8:14 pm
Vargas-Quartey was 2 guys who were relatively (to top notch boxers) trying to outbox each other… Sometimes a boxing match looks sloppy…and to some like a brawl… That’s because both Vargas and Quartey were missing skills that standout boxers have.
Trinidad didn’t have a jab either… But he managed to beat DLH, Vargas, and Whittaker, and go 40-0 fighting less than stellar prime boxers… But when he fought somebody with a superior jab like Hopkins, he lost every round and was KO’d.
I LMAO when Trinidad was rated a huge favorite to beat Hopkins. That fight was one of the easiest picks of all time… Trinidad went from the number one P4P fighter to a 4-round fighter—getting schooled by a master.
TOMATO CAN STAN…, You’re crazy… Wladimir has one of the best jabs in the history of the Heavyweight Division… Only Tunney, Holmes, Louis, and Vitali had anything close to Wladimir’s smoothness, deception, consistency, accuracy, weaponization and bout-long durable form on their jabs.Posted December 7, 2013 1:03 pm
Btw, Vargas did not outjab Quartey, he outPunched Quartey. i don’t recall either fighter’s jab playing a big role in that bout. it became a boxing-punching brawl pretty soon after the opening bell. Vargas was extremely motivated for that bout. his chance to convincingly defeat the fighter that some believed actually defeated DLH. however, in another case of a flawed boxing syllogism, Vargas convincingly defeated Quartey and was still convincing KO by DLH.Posted December 7, 2013 12:34 pm
Agreed. DLH is not the best or most consistent jabber ever, but when he still believed in this corner, the prime DLH possessed a dominant jab. NObody does it better than Mayweather. even though DLH almost willed himself to a scorecard win in their bout, which i believe should’ve been a Draw. i’m less underwhelmed by Mayweather’s first performance at 154lbs now than i was then but i don’t grant scores based on relative logic so i still believe neither Floyd or DLH did enough to earn that official scorecard “W”. anyway, Vargas wanted to make a DLH-worthy statement. he wanted to steamroll common-opponent Quartey who put up a very game and competitive performance despite being the smaller and rustier fighter. he made Vargas work Hard for that win. made more impressive by the fact that Quartey was a proud and stubborn “sore loser” in his own right. in fact, if i recall correctly, he bitterly protested the nod for Vargas, which i can understand to the degree that Quartey expended at least as much effort to avoid being steamrolled by the bigger Vargas. ultimately, it was Vargas’ superior execution that earned him the nod in perhaps the most impressive win of his career.Posted December 7, 2013 12:31 pm
Floyd is a coward. Pac is the biggest thread to his “0” he would face, he is better than Cotto, Judah and Castillo, who all gave Floyd trouble. Floyd Jr. knows it, Floyd Sr. knows it and Roger knows it. They are either smart or cowards or both…Posted December 7, 2013 11:20 am
Tomato Can Stan
“if Floyd ran across a jabber as skilled as Rigondeaux… Mikey Garcia… Golovkin… Ward… Kovalev… or Wladimir” – Wlad ? C’mon, man……..that pawing thing is not a great jab.Posted December 7, 2013 9:41 am
Oscar did have a “good” jab… Obviously he could out-jab most.Posted December 7, 2013 12:17 am
And if Fernando Vargas can out-jab you by a ton… You just don’t have a great jab… Quartey didn’t… Even if it was his main, and only real, weapon. He never won a world title and didn’t have world class skills.Posted December 7, 2013 12:14 am
Tumbo you’re missing my point entirely.
My point wasn’t about Quartey, or anybody who lacked a great jab. It was about DLH trying to out-jab Mayweather… Couldn’t be done by DLH… Couldn’t be done by Canelo.
Like I said, Cotto popped Floyd with the jab more effectively, but lacked the height and range to actually beat him with it.
Now, if Floyd ran across a jabber as skilled as Rigondeaux… Mikey Garcia… Golovkin… Ward… Kovalev… or Wladimir, they might possibly be able to get the job done… Oscar had a good jab… good enough to whip Quartey… not fabulous enough to beat Floyd…
But Oscar was never a great attacker such as Mikey Garcia — so I guess he thought the jab was his best game plan… Canelo is also not a great attacker, not at 23, so I guess Oscar told him to focus on the jab for that reason. I also thought Saul looked weight drained, so he probably lacked the energy for sustained assaults.
Not many can jab with Floyd… His jab is smooth, deceptive, accurate, rangy, and masterfully timed…
BTW Tomato Can Stan… The thing that makes a jab is not power and twisting—anyone can put strength and twist on a jab — rather smoothness, effortlessness, expert timing to catch you coming in, and masterly deception.Posted December 7, 2013 12:07 am
“In the case of Lopez—he lacked a jab—but he countered Quartey’s slow jab often—and floored him twice” but NOT until the final rounds. prior to that, JLL’s head was being relentlessly jolted back by Quartey’s pistonlike jab. JLL needed that final surge to even be considered on the scorecards but it was a KO he was desperately trying to score to avoid what was becoming a lopsided scorecard loss. Btw, DLH faced Quartey at welter, which was his optimal fighting weight. Quartey immediately flirted with being overmatched once he returned from his pouty, post-loss “retirement” following his loss to DLH and tried to comeback at middle. Quartey was competitive but no where near as dominant an elite that he was at 147lbs. there’s really no comparison between those two versions of Quartey.Posted December 6, 2013 8:21 pm
“Te Tumbo … You’re refuting NOTHING”. TARK, you are correct. i’m simply describing what was captured by the videotape. Quartey possessed a punishing, pistonlike jab that was capable of decking comparable fighters and dropping lesser fighters. it was on display v. DLH but DLH’s was Better. “Even unskilled Nando Vargas”(?!? . . . heavy sigh). you might want to consider heaving the dirt up and over the rim instead of directly above your head after which it simply drops right back into the hole you keep digging yourself into. Vargas was an exceptional boxer-puncher who didn’t shy away from “ferocious” exchanges. particularly v. Quartey who also happened to be the first common opponent between DLH and Vargas. it’s obvious that Vargas was trying to make a statement that would result in a $howdown v. DLH and successfully outBoxed and outPunched Quartey for perhaps the best win of his carer. he was boxed and punched his way back into the Trinidud including his own KD, which resulted in Three F’n Point Deductions but No DQ(?!?) for the increasingly desperate and dirty Cheato bolstered by his illegal handwraps. for the last time, WATCH THE FIGHTS, note the chronological order, and avoid appearing clueless about what actually transpired in the boxing ring, which is all that counts.Posted December 6, 2013 8:15 pm
Tomato Can Stan
“The best jab is an effortless jab” – Not always true. Holmes, one of the best jabs in the business, used to flick and twist the jab which was more likely to break the skin upon contact. Also, Lewis possessed a very heavy jab that was quite effective, as well as ListonPosted December 6, 2013 7:39 pm
JB221 whisper that in FLOYD’s ear if it’s that easy then fightPosted December 6, 2013 7:00 pm
Te Tumbo.., You’re not making any sense… You’re refuting NOTHING.
Quartely didn’t have a great jab.. Even unskilled Nando Vargas jabbed the pee out of Quartey.. Quartey loaded his jab like George Foreman—who was easily outjabbed by Jimmy Young … The best jab is an effortless jab.
Many “experts” who never boxed are impressed with powerful, long armed individuals throwing and landing heavily loaded jabs on defenseless 2nd rate boxers… As soon as those jabbers meet somebody with a good jab they lose.
That happened to Quartey when he faced the following jabbers.
Fernando Vargas… Oscar De La Hoya… Jose Luis Lopez… Vernon Forrest… and Winky Wright… In the case of Lopez—he lacked a jab—but he countered Quartey’s slow jab often—and floored him twice. I had JLL beating Quartey. In the case of Forrest his left shoulder and elbow were causing him no end to grief, and he needed surgery—but he was still able to out-jab Quartey.
None of Quartey’s opponents had a GREAT jab… Like say Mikey Garcia.Posted December 6, 2013 6:03 pm
Hec Dog;Brilliant Reply,Posted December 6, 2013 5:42 pm
Mayweather will never fight Pacquiao, he is not that brave.Posted December 6, 2013 5:38 pm
You gotta be kidding me with this “Mayweather’s afraid to fight Pacquiao” nonsense. Cause every time I’m afraid to fight someone I offer them $40 million to fight me. It’s not Floyd and it’s not Manny – it’s Bob Arum keeping it from happening. Plus Mayweather wins that one by UD.Posted December 6, 2013 5:38 pm
Thanks! InformerPosted December 6, 2013 4:22 pm
TARK, it is so simple to refute you analysis. why? because the opposing view is supported by actual videotape not selective memory, e.g., DLH not only outPunched but he also outJabbed Quartey who possessed the most punishing jab in the sport at the time. an explosive and piston-like weapon suitable for slaughtering cattle, but it was gradually neutralized by DLH”s own long and strong jabs that kept Ike on his heels during key moments of that bout and resulted in one of DLH’s most stirring wins, but (again) don’t take my word for it. watch the videotape and you’ll see that there is no reconciling the documented reality with your description of the prime and steamrolling DLH who possessed a great jab. problem is that once DLH experienced setbacks he began to alternately tinker, fine-tune, and overhaul his natural style, which only worked when Floyd Sr. was at the helm. DLH apparently respected Sr. enough to execute his prescribed fight-plan with minimal improvisation by DLH. Hell(?!), DLH even had trouble pulling-off triumphant but unscripted shuffles in the ring without looking stiff and awkward.Posted December 6, 2013 3:59 pm
BTW, well said Hec Dog.Posted December 6, 2013 3:38 pm
Pac is nowhere near where he was in 2009, but still remains the only way Floyd can salvage his legacy. He must fight Pac now. No way Rios goes the distance against 2009 Pac. I don’t think Floyd would have beaten Pac in 2009. I think he will beat Pac now. But it is still an intriguing fight because of the southpaw with good movement, power in both hands, some speed, and throws in combinations.Posted December 6, 2013 3:34 pm
And my point is Oscar DIDN’T abandon the jab… He jabbed more in the 2nd half of the fight with LESS success. You don’t ramp up the number of jabs if you’re missing them all and taking right hand counters to the face… It’s a ridiculous premise.
Oscar was outboxed conclusively, and never had the jab of a Mayweather, Rigondeaux, Ward, Golovkin, Kovalev, Wladimir, Pacquiao, or even Cotto… They can all jab.
Oscar’s jab was on the order of Shane Mosley. Good but hardly great. He wasn’t going to beat somebody like Mayweather with his jab—and neither was Canelo.. De La Hoya told everybody and anybody Canelo was going to beat Floyd with his jab … Dumb strategy. He doesn’t have a great one.
Cotto popped Floyd with his super slick jab… But MC lacked the height and reach to get up on the scoring with it.Posted December 6, 2013 3:11 pm
Floyd Mayweather has never wanted to fight Manny Pacquiao. He knew the risk when Manny began his reign of destruction destroying everyone, and crushing the same opponents Mayweather beat in much more impressive manner. The rumors from Floyd and his camp came out like bullet telling everyone that would listen that had to be on something. Floyd Sr, Floyd Jr and Uncle Roger all spoke about Floyd’s health. They were scared to death. Since then, they have been sued, ordered to give apologies, which they did, and they looked like dummies to the world. Adding to this was Floyd and Oscar’s disdain for Bob Arum/Top Rank. Floyd began using Arum as his crutch and his way out of this fight. The demands continued as well as the excuses to turn the publics view the other way. They have used every excuse known to man. Manny finally says on national tv that he will agree to everything, take the tests and give Mayweather the bigger piece of the pie. Hmm..Sounds reasonable to me. Mayweather never answers back and continues his fights with less worthy opponents. Manny loses, comes back against Rios, and dominates him. Uncle Roger wants the fight between Floyd and Manny, and he says so. This is his own camp. Floyd Sr says manny looked great. Mike Tyson on National tv says Manny looked great and is the best. Make the fight. Then Floyd comes out as he always does and wants nothing to do with Manny Pacquiao. And as rumors have it, Floyd will fight Amir Khan. A great amateur boxer that has been exposed as a very fragile fighter. He has been beaten senseless vs Peterson and Garcia both good fighters, but not elite. Floyd has now turned off his own fans. Fighters step inside a boxing ring and put themselves out there. They bare it all. Floyd Mayweather is now being exposed. His reputation and legacy is now being looked at differently. No boxing champion in history has ever avoided an opponent with such blatant fear. There’s no more excuses, no more places to hide and no more fooling the public. Floyd’s only interests remain money. He has no desire to be the best. This fight is 5 years too late if it happens, but even if it does, regardless of the outcome, Floyd Mayweather has taken a loss in the public’s eyes. He will never have the opportunity to erase it. The tattoo of dishonor to the sport will remain with him forever.Posted December 6, 2013 3:07 pm
Tomato Can Stan
Tark – My point is, somewhere in the fight de la Hoya abandoned his jab. He should of used it more and it was this that ultimately led to his defeatPosted December 6, 2013 2:49 pm
PAC won over Rios in a canter, and with high activity. Props to him for that. But this is not the same guy as in 2009 period. He obviously lacks some of that zip. Early in the fight he looked a bit lethargic by his standards. After the fight he appeared world weary and lacking his usual zest. He is on the down side of the hill. He is still way better than most boxers out there, his peak being so high. But make no mistake he is not who he was.Posted December 6, 2013 1:51 pm
Bull… Look at the stats round by roundPosted December 6, 2013 1:02 pm
Tomato Can Stan
Tark – “Oscar threw MORE jabs in the 2nd half of the fight”. de la Hoya abandoned the jab more so in the middle roundsPosted December 6, 2013 11:25 am
Brandon Rios put on his BEST Antonio Margarito IMITATION when he fought Pacquiao. Lucky for him he didn’t walk away from that fight with the right side of his skull bashed in like Margarito.Posted December 6, 2013 11:17 am
Brandon Rios WAS a PUNCHING BAG!!!Posted December 6, 2013 11:01 am
The so called prince…is an eye for an eye your MO?? But what the is stated is a fact that which is, Pac did not lose to Bradley and did not get an ass whopping at the hands of JMM, on the contrary. Moreover, there’s nothing laudable about Floyd fighting for titles at catch weight. In fact, aside from Pac, there is no one else in the 147lb division who presents a MAJOR challenge to Floyd. That said, he may as well retire because its quite obvious he will not fight anyone in the 154lb division at the divisions weight limit, so what’s the point hanging around. I mean really, there’s nothing extraordinary in on his record. When all is said and done…..Floyd is not “money,” Floyd is magician…..all smoke and mirrors.Posted December 6, 2013 11:00 am
I find this article hilarious. If I remember correctly, this author wrote many articles not giving Mayweather credit for big wins and claiming the other guy was setup and cherrypicked, meaning Mayweather hasn’t really proven himself. Admitted, he has back off lately and giving Floyd some credit, but still, how does it feel… Manny wins his comeback fight and critics are saying it’s not good enough. Doesn’t feel good, does it?Posted December 6, 2013 4:02 am
@Tomato Can Stan…, Oscar threw MORE jabs in the 2nd half of the fight.
@Auzbox.., Your mom must be CJ Ross. Get your eyes examined.Posted December 6, 2013 1:59 am
And you score world title fights idiot. Everyone entitled to an opinionPosted December 6, 2013 12:39 am
Tomato Can Stan
Tark – If de la Hoya hadn’t holstered the jab he most likely would of drew with Mayweather or even beat him. But de la Hoya has always had difficulty with stamina and throwing a jab over 12 rounds is exhaustingPosted December 5, 2013 11:58 pm
Mayweather probably would have trounced DLH in any rematch… But he didn’t want it in the end—he wanted to get away from Boxing. He couldn’t sleep. His whole attitude about Boxing was messed up at the time. Part of it was the SD. He knew he could be robbed at any time if somebody could turn a scorecard in for DLH after he out-scored Oscar by 100 punches. Can’t people count?
He needed a break. He knew the Hatton fight was an easy money fight and then he was determined not to fight in 2008 or 2009, if ever again.
He didn’t think he was ever going to fight again, but he realized at some point his legacy wasn’t what he wanted it to be… He wanted to stamp himself as the GOAT beyond anyone’s ability to ever question it.Posted December 5, 2013 10:04 pm
Yea. Dlh got ripped off. Lol. Sad day when dlh is man enough to admit he lost and had no desire for a rematch saying verbatim”the result would be the same”. Yet morons such as yourself can’t score a fight and will insist the beaten fighter is incorrect in his own fate. And you have the audacity to call others an idiot. Keyboard jockey exhibit APosted December 5, 2013 8:36 pm
Mayweather going to fight khan who has fought above 140 once what an idiot shoot your self in the foot duckweatherPosted December 5, 2013 8:26 pm
Dela Hoya beat him and got ripped PAC will give him heaps more problemsPosted December 5, 2013 8:17 pm
Just like mayweather beat dela hoya idiotPosted December 5, 2013 8:16 pm
The fans don’t care about all this BS. Just let the guys fight.Posted December 5, 2013 7:27 pm
What was the point of this article?Posted December 5, 2013 7:26 pm
Mayweather would beat PAC man easyPosted December 5, 2013 7:14 pm
PAC is back and ready for anyone and if mayweather does not want to get on board it’s for one reason and one reason only. It’s the 0 in the loss columnPosted December 5, 2013 7:03 pm