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Groves inexperience and vacated his fight plan late, with carls championship experience plus carls reserve s he carries late was the diffrenc.

Groves can really box, im impressed. He did everything right thru 6 rounds.

Posted November 25, 2013 6:54 pm 


bad enough the toe man on there,but that sack of sh#t prick hamed was to much.

Posted November 25, 2013 3:59 pm 


stone face, you also forgot that that snivelling snake and poor excuse of a man, david haye was feeding groves all the inside information he picked up from being carl froch’s roommate as they boxed all round the world in their amateur days. This is the real reason why Carl was so rattled as that haye was feeding him every detail of Carl’s life, habits and fears.
Now, can you see why it was not such a heroic thing by George not a saint groves? He had four years to perfect his fight plan and regardless of another idiot
British referee still couldn’t close the show.
Let’s see him deal with a bika and a stieglitz and if he pops his head up and squares up to ward, he’ll get a proper spanking. Oh, yes, let’s not forget Degale is looking to kick his scrawny backside after he fooled the public.
Groves and haye are typical bullies who use every trick in the book to get an advantage but yet cry wolf when they get the tables turned. look at David’s poor toe, his poor shoulder, his poor back after stepping to Wlad and then running like a thief for a year and the same with fury. These two plumbs are a joke and only fight people they have psychologically tortured.

Posted November 25, 2013 3:51 pm 

E in Denver

Very premature stoppage. Groves might have been gassing out but not finished by any stretch. A lot of (I am assuming) Froch fans are minimizing the horrible job by the ref & the beating Froch absorbed the 8 rounds previous. This was far from a foregone conclusion. Poor performance by Froch great performance by Groves, Horrible job by the ref. Rematch w/ a competent ref.

Posted November 25, 2013 2:16 pm 

Stone Face


I am not putting down Grove’s performance, which was certainly audacious and any boxer who steps in the ring is courageous. What I disagreed with is the hyperbole attached to a performance that although was impressive, only lasted 8 rounds. He didnt have to get up off the floor at any stage and until the 9th round didnt take many clean shots, against a 36 year old champion, who was clearly not on top of his game. Yes the stoppage was premature and he should have had an eight count instead, but lets not kid ourselves – he was hurt and Froch, as underpar as he was on the night, is a very good finisher and was very likely to have finished the job with 90 seconds left in the round. Groves did very well but he was starting to unravel and Froch was landing some big shots. If we want to talk about courage, what about Froch? 36 years old, out on his feet in the first round but still comes back and wins. Groves hit him with his best shots repeatadly but still couldnt put him away.
Groves deserves big credit but lets also look at why he was booed. He went out of his way to publicly denigrate a fighter having his 11th world title fight and showed him no respect. It was a tactic that clearly worked, as Froch looked rattled, but you cant slag respected champions off at every opportunity and expect people not to take offence. He brought the boos on himself but deserves credit for turning that round by the end
Just thought that the article was a bit over the top. Only my opinion and I respect your views for thinking differently

Posted November 25, 2013 10:37 am 

David Icke

I want to see Groves work the body far more in a rematch. Too much head hunting given we know the only asset Froch has is great fitness. Gotta break his body down for the later rounds.

Posted November 25, 2013 9:17 am 


Aside from the ridiculous stoppage – Groves hurt, but still swinging punches, and defending himself – clearly the fix was in for the judging. Remember, all you need is 2 judges on your side! Assuming the judges all had 10-8 to Groves for round 1, that would show that between rounds 2-8, 2 of the judges actually had Froch winning the fight. What fecking fight were they watching?

Posted November 25, 2013 4:53 am 

Jonny C

Regarding Groves giving Froch his hardest fight ever, Froch is 36 now, that is far different than 32 or 30. Plus he had no fear of anything Groves could throw which was a huge error. Froch never changed his defense to cover for the Grove’s right.

Froch fought foolishly that is why it was a tough fight. He practically knocked out Groves in sparing and all of the pre fight build up was Froch
talking with his ego, that Groves was not showing him the proper respect.

Ward obviously gave Froch a harder fight. Froch was so much more motivated for the Bute fight than Groves. In the rematch, I see it going 8 to 10 again, with Groves on his bicycle after 4 rounds, then running out of gas due to body shots by rounds 10 or 11.

Posted November 25, 2013 3:44 am 


Trashy – at least come back with a decent debate mate. I’ve got no problems with Groves and will be rooting for him in future fights apart from against Froch. Like I said on another topic and still nobody replied is this.

George Groves gave Carl Froch the hardest fight of his career. Ward, Kessler, Taylor, Pascal, Dirrell and many more never pushed Carl has much as Groves did. Discuss?

Posted November 25, 2013 2:44 am 

The Black Pariah

Froch-BIG LOSER, no class, punk. Pussy. Afraid of a rematch. Whines like a little girl whose prom dressed got pissed on by the cat.

Posted November 25, 2013 12:24 am 


Here’s a hater Frochy, Carl “your hero” Froch is second fiddle to Andre Ward, that will never change because their styles. And Froch will never be better than Calzaghe was. Even calling him a poor man’s Calzaghe would be complimenting him.

Posted November 24, 2013 8:17 pm 

Hate’tah kill’a

I rooted for groves but he wasn’t guided as he should have been in such a emotional fight.
He had a good corner but his coach hadn’t been in many or no championship fights. What her groves early was continuing going for the big right hand. Because of that even though he was quicker his rhythm remained the same so he nor his corner didn’t adjust as froch around the 5th round started timing groves. Paddy after the 4th round should have put the kid on box mode using the whole ring. Another factor in this battle was unless you have a eye for little things that will pay off big results you might have missed several froch body shots placed In the right spots beginning around the 3rd round. Those shots contributed mightily to groves visibly fade after rd 6. Now if we put a bullet in someone…….we don’t need to se the victim staggering around to know that person is wounded. George was unable to get out of the way from punches he avoided early in the fight and the last barrage froch threw landed in the right spots……george was hurt and he was not going to all of a sudden get out of the way of punches that had started getting home 2rds earlier. This is good for his future because he won’t have to overcome the stress and embarrassment of possibly being stretched out. He will be back and back better.

Posted November 24, 2013 7:31 pm 


I admit I thought he had little chance he’d win, but when he was winning those rounds, I was cheering him on all the way. I was loving it how he was just leaving Froch befuddled, So, it was bravery he was able to do what he did, so it makes this piss poor stoppage all the more harsh. He deserved to be allowed to try and survive the round. If he got dropped, then assess if he could go on. That ref only gave him several seconds unanswering Froch’s output to suddenly declare he was not going to make it. BBBBUULLLSSHHHIIITTTT.

Posted November 24, 2013 7:16 pm 


Stone Face: ‘To claim that Grove’s performance was “…one of the most heroic, courageous and audacious ever seen in the ring” is absolute nonsense.’

Is it nonsense? I’m with the author on this. Groves not only had to face Groves in the ring, he had to face the entire crowd and in the weeks leading up to the fight, a boxing fraternity, media, and establishment that had all swung behind Froch.

Imagine what it takes to handle all of those doubts and negativity going into such a big fight, at the same time dealing with splitting with the same trainer you’ve had in the corner for your entire pro career and having to establish a relationship and chemistry with a new trainer in such a short space of time.

I’d say all of that adds up to a heroic performance from Groves. And it definitely was audacious the way he took the fight to Froch when everyone thought and expected him to box off the back foot and run from Froch’s power.

No, I think you’re wrong and the author’s right on this one.

Posted November 24, 2013 6:50 pm 


AnonymousE…, “Carl Froch is a modern day version of say, Bobby Schoolboy Chacon.”

He’s more like Danny Lopez… Who was schooled by Chacon and Sanchez.

Posted November 24, 2013 5:42 pm 


……”Froch would of been KO’d 10th round. Guaranteed.”

That was posted by Fake TARK

Posted November 24, 2013 5:37 pm 


Carl Froch is a modern day version of say, Bobby Schoolboy Chacon.
Froch may get knocked down, bashed up or outboxed early, but he sucks it up, pulls his shorts up, bangs his gloves together and gets stuck in.

Not one of these Groves converts has considered that Groves was 11 years younger and had concise books of notes provided by Froch’s amateur roommate David Haye, passed onto Adam Booth on every aspect of Froch’s life (and to think Jose Mourinho thought Arsene Wnger was the ‘voyeur!@).

Groves had Froch down and almost out and on queer street for the best part of four rounds, but was not capable of putting him away, so he only has himself to blame for conceding territory from that point on and eventually being unhinged in the 9th…

How many times have fighters like Chacon come back from the edge and endured.
Froch is now 36 going on 37 and his style was always going to mean at some point he would unravel in the ring, but he showed a massive set of cojones to be able to drag himself back into a contest he was losing big according to all the posters.

I certainly don’t feel sorry for Groves who like his gym mate stooped to serious lows to goad a fellow professional.

I have to admit I laughed to see Groves crying at the end. Perhaps he’s not as mentally tough as he thought he was.

I reckon Froch will walk through Groves in their rematch, now he’s tasted Grove’s power he will know what to expect and will drill himself for one final war and Groves knows this.

Posted November 24, 2013 5:37 pm 

Stone Face

To claim that Grove’s performance was “…one of the most heroic, courageous and audacious ever seen in the ring” is absolute nonsense. I struggle to see where this opinion has developed, unless the Author is related to Groves or lost a lot of money on the result? Yes he boxed well and was ahead on the cards when the fight was stopped but Froch was doing what he always does – soaking it up, grinding it out and coming on strong at the end. His style has never been pretty but most times is efffective. Most educated pundits before the fight had Groves causing problems early on but Froch stopping him late on. Yes the ref stopped it too soon, no doubt, but Groves was running out of gas and Froch has been there and done it many times. It looked to me as though it was panning out exactly as most people expected and in my opinion Froch has actually been robbed of the chance of finishing the job properly. Then there would have been no controversy and everyone would have said that Groves did well but Froch won because of his granite chin and Grove’s inexperience. The writers claim does an injustice to some amazingly brave performances from many boxers, some of whom have shown bravery and resilience beyond comprehension – Arturo Gatti/Micky Ward for example. Personally I am looking forward to the rematch and expect there to be more respect towards each other, from both fighters, as the result of this fight is difficult to call

Posted November 24, 2013 5:20 pm 


good job there”s no more 15 round fights,groves was out of gas after 8.

Posted November 24, 2013 2:42 pm 

Freddie Roach Ate My Hamster

I love how people use lines like “this is why Froch is unpopular” – how many boxers sell out 20000 tickets in minutes plus make a profit on PPV in the UK?! If you ignore computer games & merchandising sales, on tickets & PPV he outsells the whole of UFC in this country!

The finish was unpopular & Groves made Froch look slow early on (mind you, Froch tends to lose early rounds then wear people down). It’s churlish to blame Froch for a refereeing decision, or for winning when he was out boxed. Some people never took to Carl Froch, he still gets grief for wanting to fight Calzaghe years ago. As he’s the consensus #2 at SMW in the world, I wonder how highly Groves is rated after last night? Higher than Stieglitz? Kessler?

Posted November 24, 2013 2:19 pm 


Would you shake the hand of a man who had tried to embarrass you in front of the world telling people all your little foibles? No. you wouldn’t. Just think of any tool you’ve had a ruck with, okay, now tell me how many of them you would shake their hand? Case dismissed.
Did Duran Shake Ray Leonard’s hand after their rumpus? No. Did Leonard and Hagler hug, hump and shake hands? No. They hate each other.

Posted November 24, 2013 12:55 pm 


What people don’t realise is that that snake David HAYE was Carl’s room mate and so- called friend as they boxed as amateur internationals for years and he fed George and Adam Booth all that info about his habits and lifestyle and his hopes and fears and then Groves used this against him. To recover from such a hard knock down in the first is testament to Carl’s fighting heart, courage and will to win, despite all those underhand tactics employed by George.
funny thing is, it was George who left the ring in tears.

Posted November 24, 2013 12:41 pm 


If froch was going to win then ref should have allowed groves to fall if he got up on wobbly legs the stop it this was rubbish

Posted November 24, 2013 10:33 am 

Jake and the fatman

When Froch was knocked down in the first round the ref let it continue and he recovered to fight another 8 rounds, at the least Groves should have been allowed to try finish the round off, but as usual in the UK thats not the case and here we are again talking about the officials not doing there job. I’m not a fan of either but Froch is the most classless and big headed guy I have ever heard ,even after getting a dream decision by the ref he still could’nt give Groves credit for giving him an almighty fight.

Posted November 24, 2013 9:49 am 


Groves was hard done by. The chat that his legs sagged when the ref pushed him against the ropes could well have been Groves’ reaction to the disappointment of being denied the chance to continue. He wasn’t knocked down FFS! Give the guy a chance, a standing 8 count or whatever. My immediate reaction to the ending was “CORRUPTION!!”. Froch wonders why he is unpopular – he should take a look back at the post fight interview – the man has no class and just cannot bring himself to praise his opponent. I’ve tried hard to be a fan of the guy but he is very unappealing.

Posted November 24, 2013 9:17 am 


worst stoppage i have ever seen – either fight was fixed and ref corrupted or ref totally incompetent – ca only be one of the 2

Posted November 24, 2013 8:49 am 


Foster should be struck off!!
Note to all top boxers around the World:- STAY AWAY FROM THE UK!!
Corruption in the UK is rife!!

Posted November 24, 2013 8:27 am 


Boxing in the UK is corrupt and Rotten to the core……

Posted November 24, 2013 8:23 am 


slim you”re bang on.running out of gas after 8 rounds,,but i thought modern fighters were so much fitter than old school. LOL.

Posted November 24, 2013 8:02 am 


This was by far fight of the year not a froch or groves fan at the start but now my opinions on both fighters have changed rematch would be great.the last two rounds of the fight it was clear carl was able to take groves shots better than in the first half of the fight and would carry on taking them for the distance if groves had boxed for the second half of the fight like he did against degale he would have beaten froch to the punch but when you look at froch fight against Kessler you know he can take take hard punches all night was an epic next time these two meet in the ring groves will box all night and loose the fight the same way i think it was a wrong decision to stop it at that point but think he would have been kod all the same in the fasion it was stoped he has saved a young fighter from punishment he didn’t have to take and gave groves the chance at vindication the next time out

Posted November 24, 2013 7:56 am 



Posted November 24, 2013 7:43 am 

slim prickman

you will never be a top fighter if you run out of gas after eight rounds. PERIOD.

Posted November 24, 2013 7:33 am 


“Turning your back is good ring iq…” boxing barlow, thank you for that wisdom. I think we’ll just ignore anything you say from this point on.

Posted November 24, 2013 7:16 am 



Just watch it again lol Thanks for not correcting me about why the ref is in the ring! Froch was saved by the bell in the 1st round, if the knockdown had been earlier in the round I dont think Froch would have survived.

Groves took a big right hand 40 seconds before the stoppage and was trying to hold from that point, but failed and kept taking big shots without defending himself. I am not trying to defend the decision, but understand why it was stopped. I agree with you, it was a premature stoppage, but the result wouldnt have been any different, groves was done.

Oh and Froch isn’t Kenny Anderson! Lets be honest, Kenny Anderson wouldn’t have made it off the canvas in the first round if he had taken that shot.

Posted November 24, 2013 7:12 am 


People are making this out to be robbery of the century and when watching it in real time I was of the opinion that it was way premature. However, the replays clearly show froch landing a series of punches that were unanswered and all landed. Groves was definitely hurt, no question. Watch his legs sag when the ref pushes him up against the ropes. It would have been great to see if he could’ve carried on but that stoppage was no travesty.
It was also not as one sided as some are proclaiming. Groves was ahead no doubt but every round was competitive and froch definitely won at least 3 rounds.

Posted November 24, 2013 7:10 am 

boxing barlow

I also think Groves had enough left in him to just box his way to victory. ButI think hhe felt he could take frochs shots and win in a more spectacular fashion. I dont think he was that hurt and I dont think froch would have kod him if it had continued.

Posted November 24, 2013 7:09 am 

boxing barlow

Nah turning your back is good ring iq to use when you’ve taken a good shot. Your opponent can not hit you on the back of the head so the ref has to step in and split the fighters up which would have giveb Groves valuable time to recover from being buzzed. I can remember the likes of mayweather using this against Hatton and hopkins against Calzaghe when they wanted a little breather and for the fight to be momentarily stopped and split up.

Posted November 24, 2013 7:06 am 


@Steve, you are defending the indefensible. Good luck with that.

Posted November 24, 2013 7:01 am 


turning your back in the ring signals youve had enough,its the closest thing to waving a white flag,the cobra is the champ,groves came up short,live with it keyboard refs

Posted November 24, 2013 6:59 am 


@Steve. You’re right. I stand corrected, Groves was getting smashed and needed to be saved. The ref did a good job.

Posted November 24, 2013 6:55 am 

third world

very disgusted by officiating across the board.the referee,the judging.carl froch was getting dominated through the fight. froch should be a man and speak the truth. that was a corrupt stoppage and a perfectly timed headlock by the referee.i wonder how much the ref. was paid on the side. froch won’t give groves a rematch.this decision should be investigated by the wba and ibf and overturned to a immediate rematch should be granted to groves.i have never seen anything like this in 35 years of being around boxing,and to all the good folks in the u.k. who say american fight officials are corrupt,what now?

Posted November 24, 2013 6:52 am 



I don’t think you understand why the ref is there, it isn’t just top make sure the rules are kept, it is also to protect the fighters if needed. Groves was bent at the waist and turning his back on Froch, this in itself prompted the ref to stop the fight. As i said, the stoppage was premature, but the outcome would have been the same.

Posted November 24, 2013 6:47 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

All said & done we have a new peoples champ & that’s George Groves. I really believe he would have come back & KO’ed Froch had the fight gone on. Foster needs to be struck off the pay roll!

Posted November 24, 2013 6:38 am 


@Steve, we will never know. The corner will know their fighter better than the ref. Let them make the call if they think he is taking too much punishment or has gassed. The ref is there to ensure the rules are kept to, he failed at that too…

Why was the fight stopped when Groves was wobbled or gassed, but not at any point when Froch was in trouble and was eating big shots?

I’ve seen fighters like Mosely get battered pillow to post and still be allowed to see the fight through, despite losing every round. Why was Groves, who was dominating the fight stopped the second the tables were turned? Froch only won round 5 on my card and had a share of round 7, although many of his shots in the 7th were illegal hits on the break. Groves should have been allowed to carry on until he was stopped legitimately or recovered. Groves was in a much worse condition against Anderson and ended up winning the fight.

Bad ref with a history of bad decisions.

Posted November 24, 2013 6:35 am 



Watch again. Groves was out of gas! No question he was destroying Froch up until the point he was hurt, but at the same time I don’t think Groves has the mental capacity to move past the wall when hitting it. The stoppage was premature, but I don’t think the outcome would have been any difference.

Posted November 24, 2013 6:29 am 


To all those that say that Groves was guaranteed to get stopped, maybe the ref should have raised Froch’s hand before the ring announcer started the introductions? What’s the point of actually letting them hit each other? Someone could have gotten hurt…

I’ve never ever seen an unbeaten world title challenger stopped so badly. It was almost as bad the Enzo stoppage against McKenzie where Howard Foster prematurely stopped another fight, not a world title fight, but nevertheless a fight where the stoppage was not asked for or merited.

In that fight Foster apologised to Enzo, I hope he does the same to Groves.

Check the stoppage on You Tube, I’m sure you Froch fans would say that was a legit stoppage too by the same appalling ref. It’s legit as long as it’s not Froch that gets stopped as he was getting tagged continuously throughout the fight and the ref never battered an eyelid.

Posted November 24, 2013 6:24 am 


Groves would knock Ward out in 3 rounds. You heard it here first. The pale English Ginger is the real deal.

Posted November 24, 2013 6:20 am 


Personally I thought it was a fair stoppage. If Groves had gone down and taken a count he would have had vital seconds to get his head back together and his composure. However, he was starting to reel around and at the point of the stoppage was bent over at the waist, looking at the canvas. He was defenceless and the referee has to protect a fighter in that situation. That said, I had Groves well ahead on points and I thought Froch looked awful and I’m a Froch fan. He looked slow and sloppy against Groves who looked sharp and focused. It seemed to me that it took Froch a few rounds to recover from the knockdown before he got his legs back properly. Great fight, controversial ending (for some!) let’s do it again!!!

Posted November 24, 2013 6:12 am 



Posted November 24, 2013 6:07 am 


One thing is for sure froch always gives us good fights no matter what but this stoppage by a refery sucked big time! But we shouldn’t blame froch for a bad stoppage a guy gave us a fight like he always does !

Posted November 24, 2013 6:07 am 

Gussy Finknottle

You are all idiots if you think Groves was going to survive the fight. Just because he was winning does not mean he should be allowed to take punches until he is brutally hurt. The ref did nothing wrong, Groves should thank him.

Posted November 24, 2013 6:06 am 


Froch would of been KO’d 10th round. Guaranteed.

Posted November 24, 2013 6:04 am 


Agree Hol. It’s not like Groves took 8 rounds of punishment proceeding the stoppage and the ref stepped in for Groves own good. Froch was taking 8 rounds of punishment and the split second Froch had Groves in any kind of bother, the ref jumps in an saves Froch’s titles.

Lets put the spin on this fight the way it transpired, not the way Froch thinks it happened. Just take a look at both guys faces in the press call afterwards and I think you can see who the winner was.

Did the ref know that the fix was already in with the judges and was just stepping in to avoid a riot?

Posted November 24, 2013 5:36 am 


Stoppage apart,I’ve been abused on here before for saying any thing negative about froch,i respected carl for the fights he’s had win or lose,but every time he talks he’s “a warrior”he was “devastating”,hes a braggart he in know way is a great boxer,he’s leages apart from the likes of calzagie,ward,Eubanks etc…he’s a legend in his own mind,even last night evey one to a man was booing the guy for talking rubbish and he sat there with his smarmy spin Doctor Eddie hern talking his usual I’m billy balls and every body should all hale me,just like ward I don’t think Carl will want any more of groves Eddie will feed tis ego with some more Bute and mack or shot Kessler types.

Posted November 24, 2013 5:30 am 


This was the worst stoppage I have ever witnessed by FAR!!!

Posted November 24, 2013 5:28 am 


“This pundit picked Groves to win.. That didn’t happen for good reasons.. Groves has an strong offense, but lacks a finished stance, a defense, excellent footwork, and adequate physical strength for this level of fight. He had the fight won but was fatigued from effort … and that shouldn’t happen.”

Tark, there is no way you can prove that Groves was on his way out or had gassed. Froch fans are assuming this, but would happily allow Froch to eat leather for the entire 12 rounds without pulling him out via headlock. At least give Groves the benefit of the doubt that he could have recovered from those two shots, that’s all you would expect from a ref in a World Title fight. If the ref would have stopped the fight in round 1 because Froch was out on his feet, I’m sure Froch would have complained. Groves was able to defend himself, hence the ref needed a headlock on him rather than simply jumping in the middle.

The ref was a joke, 20K Froch fans in the arena and the entire Sky commentary team admit it… Time you did too pal.

Posted November 24, 2013 5:13 am 


Groves was saved from further punishment by the referee… He was on the way out.

Posted November 24, 2013 5:11 am 

Mick the Marmalizer

The IBF should withhold the Ref’s fee. Groves could have come back from that & will do so next time out. He’s proved himself now & will fight the elite @ 168Lb & become a World champion next year. The rematch should happen next spring unless Groves were to take on the winner of the up coming WBC contest.

Posted November 24, 2013 5:10 am 


I saw the fight closer than most people did as most where saying it was going to be a blow out. I knew Groves was going to give Froch all kinds of problems and he did. I was weary of the last few rounds but never suppected the Referee was going to be a factor. Though Froch won, he could mostly credit that to the referee as Groves would have won a close decision.

Posted November 24, 2013 5:08 am 


Your??? How about you’re?

Posted November 24, 2013 4:57 am 


What would have happened in the next 3 rounds we will never know. George groves won me over tonight and gave froch a boxing lesson but my god froch is a tough fighter. The rematch has to happen. Can’t remember the round maybe 7 when George started to trade with froch bad mistake, stick to boxing George for the rematch

Posted November 24, 2013 4:55 am 

froch sucks

Tark your one stupid póster

Posted November 24, 2013 4:54 am 

Big Al

Flil, are you the Big Al imposter below? A$$wipe.

Posted November 24, 2013 4:38 am 

Big Al

To the Big Al imposter is below. Why are you hiding behind other people’s screen names? Idiot.

Posted November 24, 2013 4:37 am 


Froch doesn’t get to decide when to stop a fight… That’s the ref’s job.

Posted November 24, 2013 4:35 am 


Come on man…,

What did this 25-year-old do to a 36-year-old that was so overwhelming??? He LOST!!! He had the fight won, didn’t pace himself well, and couldn’t take the pressure and power of Froch on the comeback.

Froch had the courage and guts… He was getting his ass kicked royally by a guy 11 years his junior… And he came roaring back with a vengeance.

Posted November 24, 2013 4:34 am 


This referee should never be allowed to darken boxings door again. Yes, Groves
got caught, but his legs looked ok to me his eyes looked ok to everyone and he
WAS defending himself, because he was trying to slip punches. It was too early
to even say he was in ”trouble” because Froch was NOT starting to dominate. Look at the round again, HIS legs looked heavy. All that happened in round 9
was that Froch had a good spell. No evidence there to say he was somehow
getting stronger. The next big punch in that round was likely coming from Froch but it was just as likely that Groves would have rolled and come back with another chopping right and put Froch back on his arse. Groves was NOT in trouble. He’d been clipped with a couple of hard shots, thats all… or are we now suddenly saying Carl Froch is some deadly devastating puncher… he isnt.. all Groves needed would at the end of that round was his trainer to remind him to stick to his game plan!! That decision stoppage shamed British Boxing. Because the fact that two judges only had Froch a round behind going into the 9th proves that Hearn had already chosen his winner before the fight and the referee was
just earning his money!

Posted November 24, 2013 4:31 am 


Graeme, you’re the idiot not this writer. He’s posted a superb article that captures the spirit of GG’s performance. You seriously saying that this level of guts and performance is something you see every week? F..k off. You’re talking nonsense mate.

Great performance and great article.

Posted November 24, 2013 4:10 am 


Little Al.., Kindly die and GTH creep… and FO while you’re at it.

Posted November 24, 2013 3:27 am 

graeme barrow

The ref almost certainly stopped it too soon, but instead of lambasting him, what about John Wright, who wrote tgis drivel? Has he ever been to boxing before? Thje “most heroic, courageous etc in the history of boxing?”For God’s sake, Groves fought a great fight but you see that kind of “bravery” and more every week. Get Wright out of your usually excellent website. Let him go back to reporting parish pump women’s institute meetings and the like. Then he can say that some lady who baked the best cake, while her overn was malfunctioning, was the best and bravest cook in th history of the kitchen.

Posted November 24, 2013 3:19 am 


This pundit picked Groves to win.. That didn’t happen for good reasons.. Groves has an strong offense, but lacks a finished stance, a defense, excellent footwork, and adequate physical strength for this level of fight. He had the fight won but was fatigued from effort … and that shouldn’t happen.

A combination of cardio conditioning, strength training, and skill should prevent one from getting fatigued in a 12-round fight. He fought well in the first round—but tried to hurt Froch instead of staying relaxed, focused, and continuing to take his time and execute what was working. Groves was obviously winning, but he would have lost if the referee stopped the fight or not at that point … Froch was in the process of getting Groves out when the stoppage came. It’s not going to get easier in a rematch because Froch doesn’t like this kid. He’s got a lot of motivation to kick GG’s behind.

But Froch doesn’t have to go there because a Ward fight is his for the asking.

Posted November 24, 2013 3:04 am 


I think some people are contradicting themselves and getting confused between a ‘mandatory eight-count’ and a ‘standing eight-count’.

Posted November 24, 2013 2:45 am 


And you are right, there is no three-knockdown rule. Everyone should know this because the no standing 8 count and no three-knockdown rules are stated by the commentators/Analsysts before each championship fight.

Posted November 24, 2013 2:29 am 


Excuse me Anonymous, part of my post got cut off.

IBF Championship Rules also state “There will be no standing 8 count.”

Posted November 24, 2013 2:28 am 


Anonymous, the IBF rules for Chamipionship bouts state:

“The Mandatory Eight (8) Count after knockdowns will be standard procedure in all bouts.”

WBA rules state the same thing.

Look it up for yourself.

Posted November 24, 2013 2:24 am 


I gotta hand it to Groves, he did a helluva lot more than I expected he would. I’m sure Carl thought he did too.

Posted November 24, 2013 2:16 am 


I am educated about boxing – unlike you others here. THERE IS NO STANDING 8 COUNT & NO 3 KNOCKDOWN RULE in world title fights. Bute was on the way down with only the ropes holding him up, hence the 8 count. Hope that’s clear.

Posted November 24, 2013 12:41 am 


That combo in the first round reminded me of a prime Kessler! Groves was on the balls of his feet and while going backward he planted and stuck that nasty combo quick.

Posted November 24, 2013 12:30 am 


anon… Absolutely. On a bad night JC would win. On a good night it would b a shut out over 12. Glad it never happened tho as Joe proved more by unifying against a prime Kessler and beating Hopkins for the Ring light heavyweight belt in Vegas….

Posted November 23, 2013 11:58 pm 


one thing we learnt is that joe calzaghe would of beat carl froch if they would of ever shared a ring

Posted November 23, 2013 11:46 pm 


Froch was coming off two of the best wins of his career, beating Bute and scraping past Kessler. Groves has potential. By British standards, I don’t rate him as highly as the Woodhall and Reid that Calzaghe beat, but George does appear to have Froch’s number.

Posted November 23, 2013 11:42 pm 


Groves would have survived. This was Hearn doing his tricks. Groves go to Golden Boy. Leave Hearn and Froch massaging each others egos and wallets

Posted November 23, 2013 11:33 pm 


Still can’t knock C F though. He may not be the prettiest, but he excels in certain attributes (stamina, chin, reach, power), all of which make him hard to beat.

Posted November 23, 2013 11:33 pm 


just because george spun around the ref panic as for the judges lets have some ex boxers scoring the fights

Posted November 23, 2013 11:30 pm 


The ref saved Groves, the haters, Groves, will never see it, we did, not a groves fan but I don’t want to see, him or any boxer brain dead, froch was on his way to destroying him…

Posted November 23, 2013 11:28 pm 


Hearn the Hustler wriggled his way out of trouble to set up his lover boy froch with bigger fights in the future. Matchroom is a dodgy outfit. Groves please got to Golden Boy. You deserve much better. This was your biggest fight and you did it alone. You are a warrior. Booth abandoned you when you needed him most. You have the talent….make sure you get paid for it…Hearn certainly wont

Posted November 23, 2013 11:25 pm 


Agreed. The ref was on the take as were 2 of the judges. No other explanation is possible…

Froch was owned tonight and as soon as he managed to find the target cleanly the ref raised his hand. Disgrace.

Posted November 23, 2013 11:20 pm 


Groves was ahead but would’ve probably been ko’d in rd 9. Either way a terrible stoppage.

Posted November 23, 2013 11:19 pm 

Joe Bugner

Howard Foster is a disgrace to British boxing. He should resign and never have anything to do with boxing or the Hearns.
Howard I hope it was worth it because your reputation is in tatters.

Posted November 23, 2013 11:16 pm 


poor ref and judges.

Posted November 23, 2013 11:14 pm 

Big Bob

Is the ref related to Froch? He seemed very keen for a Froch win.

Posted November 23, 2013 11:12 pm 


frochy for the first time carl was looking like a old shot fighter

Posted November 23, 2013 11:12 pm 


Anon. Anybody that writes Carl Froch off is clueless.

Posted November 23, 2013 11:04 pm 


if froch gets in the ring with golovkin he going to get ko for sure looking at what groves power done to him

Posted November 23, 2013 10:57 pm 


Groves is wasted being with Mathroom. He should go to Golden Boy. Not appreciated in the UK. He was hurt but not dropped and he has been hurt worse in previous fights and comeback to knock the fighter out. He schooled froch every round. Froch knows deep down he got lucky….Hearn must fancy him….Ive seen the way he looks at him

Posted November 23, 2013 10:46 pm 


groves threw 5 punches in last 4 seconds of the fight. yes he was hurt, VERY hurt. but after dominating the fight the way he did he deserved the right to try and weather the storm. I think froch would have eventually stopped him that round, but that stoppage was too soon.

Posted November 23, 2013 10:45 pm 


that was the most horrendous stoppage I have seen in a long long time. absolutely disgraceful.

Posted November 23, 2013 10:34 pm 

Howard Foster

@Anonymous. Froch was knocked down near the end of the first round as you rightly say. He was clearly shaken but his eyes were clear as I administered the 8 count. I was well aware of the time remaining in the round, and was ready to halt the fight if Froch was in serious trouble.


Posted November 23, 2013 10:28 pm 


Groves will finish the job in the rematch. He outboxed and outpunched Carl tonight. In another 6 months he’ll b stronger and will take even more confidence into the fight. George by TKO in 2014.

Posted November 23, 2013 10:27 pm 


I don’t think the stoppage was premature, groves was hurt, legs sagging, head down, not punching back. people say but froch was hurt during the fight, watch it back, froch was never as hurt as groves was, even when rocked froch fought back, groves did not. Would rather see the kid come back from a stoppage than have to come back from what could have been worse

Posted November 23, 2013 10:21 pm 


@howard foster lol u jokers I saw forch’s eyes closed during round 1 so comment has no merit!

Posted November 23, 2013 10:19 pm 

Howard Foster

In response to all the negative comments – that was a perfectly timed stoppage. I saw George’s eyes roll, his legs stiffened and he started to sag along the ropes. He was in no position to defend himself. My first priority is always the safety of the fighters.


Posted November 23, 2013 10:14 pm 

1-2 combo

This fight did not go the way i expected. Groves has won me, and a whole lot of fans over. He has fully broken onto the world stage. The stoppage was one of the worst I have seen in such an important fight where there was so much on the line and groves was clearly winning the fight. I do think the fight had turned and froch was on the verge of winning but the stoppage was way to early. Froch NEEDS to give him a rematch but eith way groves has truly arrived so in the long run he is a winner. The only loser once again is boxing as there jus seems to be one bad decision after another whether it be the ref or the judges.

Posted November 23, 2013 10:13 pm 


Well done george the peoples champion

Posted November 23, 2013 10:08 pm 

Froch Nose Roberries

Howard Foster needs sending to the gas chamber, I’ve never seen such blatant home cooking since the Froch-Dirrell fight, this was much worse though. I had Groves winning every round, he was beating Froch to a pulp at times why wasn’t the fight stopped then?

Posted November 23, 2013 10:03 pm 


any more stoppage”s like this,boxing fans will start watching prima donna footballers rolling around.

Posted November 23, 2013 9:36 pm 


unlike most of you I boxed. poor stoppage. bad ref.

Posted November 23, 2013 9:35 pm 


Great effort by Groves. But the fact is he was tiring and getting smashed. Ref saved him from a worse ending. He should be grateful.

Posted November 23, 2013 9:35 pm 


Dawson Hopkins was then called a no decision, which they ought to to this fight and order a rematch like Dawson Hopkins so groves can do rightfully what Dawson did in that rematch

Posted November 23, 2013 9:34 pm 


Wasn’t a legit stoppage, and there wasn’t even legit scoring. 2 Judges had Groves up by a single point. Looks like the fix was in from the start… Sad night for British boxing when 2 unanswered shots constitute grounds for stopping a World Title fight.

Froch should give Groves a rematch.

Posted November 23, 2013 9:32 pm 


Carl Froch was clearly losing the fight and took a lot of punishment. The fact is it was a legitimate stoppage. If the ref didn’t jump in Froch would have eventually finished because Groves was on his way out. He was tired and got caught by some heavy shots. Don’t let the stoppage bother you because Groves was winning the fight…. its boxing. You will never know what happens. Its a legit stoppage

Posted November 23, 2013 9:28 pm 

Swedish Boxing Fan

Well this was a poor choise of action for the referee Howard John Foster, he should not have jumped in so soon. Of course it is the referee’s biggest job to check the boxers best health to see that the boxer is able to fight on and he had the heart at right spot here but not the right timing. However I still feel the worst referee call in years was back in October 15, 2011 when Bernard Hopkins defended the World light heavyweight title against Chad Dawson and Dawson in the 2nd round wrestle thowed Hopkins down to the canvas so badly that Hopkins got injured to his right hand shoulder and could not continue to fight propertly – The referee calls that ILLEGAL move as a “punch” and gives Dawson a TKO decision victory (?), that was just outrageous badly call BUT thank the Athletic Commision to have some brain to change the fight result to a No Contest NC decision as it should have been in first place to begin with. So I can forgive Howard john Foster more than Pat Russel’s poore judgment. Still sadly for George Groves to lose like that.

Posted November 23, 2013 9:22 pm 


Dont just blame the ref, the two of the judges had groves winning the fight by one round which is just laughable. Hearn is the british Bob Arum, paid of the ref and judges

Posted November 23, 2013 9:19 pm 

Furious Tyson

To all of you people jumping on the Groves bandwagon.

The ref saw that Groves was in serious trouble. Froch did what he always does…out tough his opponent.
Groves fought very well but its a 12 round fight and Froch was taking charge big time and the ref maybe even saved Groves life.

Posted November 23, 2013 9:18 pm 


Hearn better make a rematch

Posted November 23, 2013 9:12 pm 


I agree that maybe the fight was stopped few seconds earlier but Mago II situation is the other extreme. From to the other extreme in boxing is just 2 seconds or even less. People were unhappy with Mago’s development and now they are unhappy with this one. However, the ref is also a human and is not capable of perfect decisions.

Posted November 23, 2013 9:10 pm 


look guys, froch had groves at the end, groves was hanging, his arms sagging and was gonna get dropped, that’s what froch does, its a shame froch got robbed of the comeback KO we all know he is

Posted November 23, 2013 9:06 pm 


Groves what can you say won every round except the one in the 5th which I gave to froch. The ref certainly stopped the fight to early and at times seemed to be leaning favourably towards froch.

I can’t believe the scoring from the judges I mean they had groves winning
Just by one round really I mean we’re talking about their career, livelihood seen to many poor scoring recently, what’s going on.

Groves will be champion one day

Posted November 23, 2013 9:06 pm 


English refs suck too many jump the gun stoppages from idiots like terry o’connor and this fool tonight. It almost felt like he was looking for the first excuse to give froch the win

Posted November 23, 2013 9:05 pm 


It’s disgusting,absolute joke,and for froch to try justify the fight by talking nonsense proved how much being dropped affected him,boxing as a whole should be ashamed,a battle getting stopped,it’s disgusting,I’m lost for words,fight of the year up until then,with Chavez jr’s controversial decision as we’ll this shows its money that counts and that’s it,peed off,should of been broadcast on itv though money grabbing b stards.

Posted November 23, 2013 9:03 pm 


as someone said yesterday,the brits are as bad as those retard yanks.

Posted November 23, 2013 9:01 pm 


Groves proved himself tonight…with age on his side,he will have a bright future in boxing…as long as he keeps his head on straight.Good-Luck in his future…but he really dont need much luck he has the skills…without a doubt!!!

Posted November 23, 2013 8:52 pm 


George is now my hero and I, Anonymous would like to invite him to my humble studio flat where I can tend to his bumps and wounds and wipe him down with my magic sponge and special cloth.
I will show him how well we gobble in these parts, and in should know I am a gobbler champion and then massage his love parts and warm them with my extra long tongue.
You may have lost in the ring to Mr. Froch, but I will let you loose in my ring and I’m sure you will dominate in there. Yum, yum.

Posted November 23, 2013 8:48 pm 

Brazilian Boxing Fan

Froch-Groves II! I wish to see it.

Posted November 23, 2013 8:46 pm 

Brazilian Boxing Fan

I hope Froch grants Groves a rematch.

Posted November 23, 2013 8:46 pm 

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