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te tumbo

Maidana’s comeback win v. an increasingly confident (and reckless) Soto Karass was reminiscent of Vasquez’s comeback v. an over-confident Jhonny Gonzalez who also made the mistake of prematurely shifting into finishing mode before their opponents were actually finished.

Posted August 2, 2013 4:32 pm 


In any case, clearly I wasn’t paying attention. To anything!

Posted August 2, 2013 4:22 pm 


Oops! LMAO! Yeah, I did watch Maidana TKO Soto-Karass! LOL. Sorry! I plead temporary insanity. I was actually thinking Guerrero but typing Soto-Karass.

Posted August 2, 2013 4:20 pm 


“i would appreciate Soto and Maidana sorting out with a rematch of their dramatic first encounter, which was another classic and gritty comeback by Maidana propelled by of all things a stiff and educated jab(?!). ”

When did Maidana fight Soto-Karass, te tumbo?

Posted August 2, 2013 4:18 pm 

te tumbo

HIDALGO, Guerrero is a definite if not the most scintillating option. there’s just something about the developing Argentina v. Mexico rivalry that i would appreciate Soto and Maidana sorting out with a rematch of their dramatic first encounter, which was another classic and gritty comeback by Maidana propelled by of all things a stiff and educated jab(?!). i’d like to see Guerrero v. Ortiz or v. winner or loser of Mathysse v. Garcia. Khan is another appealing option. I would rather see a build-up to a potential Guerrero and Soto showdown. that is, IF they are indeed the best among the lot. besides, it would be unfair for Guerrero and Soto Karass to be the only ones benefitting from grueling ring-wars. IMO, it’s better to spread the pain and gain around.

Posted August 2, 2013 1:54 pm 


Berto would do well if he can move down to 140, tall order I know but, he does not not pack KO power at 147.

Posted August 2, 2013 1:26 pm 


Oddly enough when Berto was on the floor trying to get up, he looked very much like Joe Frazier when Foreman had him flopping on the floor due to mixed nervous system messages to the body from a scrambled brain. The messages to the legs were scrambled. Brutal boxing images, but a perfect KO Punch by Soto.

Posted August 2, 2013 10:36 am 


Time for him to fight Guerrero, te tumbo.

Posted August 2, 2013 9:05 am 

te tumbo

Soto Karass’ confidence level isn’t based on the lack-luster, out of shape performances he’s had but rather his desire to become a successful and memorable competitor. he’s successfully established himself as the other tough guy in the welter division. a rematch v. The tough guy at welter (i.e., Maidana) is eagerly anticipated.

Posted August 1, 2013 5:34 pm 


A well conditioned Soto-Karass is a tough fight for anyone, opponents should not base their opinion of him on some of the lack-luster, out of shape performances he’s had.

Posted August 1, 2013 3:47 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Yeah Soto Karass was brought in as the designated opponent aka loser. But he showed up in better shape than Berto’s camp of cherry pickers thought and tapped that ass. He’s lost both fights since testing positive for roids and is an empty shell without juicing up. Love it when the name fighter gets clobbered by the so-called opponent.

Posted August 1, 2013 3:27 pm 

te tumbo

Soto was indeed the designated loser but he appears to be new and improved like he claims to be. anyway, Soto’s persistence is the strongest argument/challenge for Berto’s comeback. if 8 losses didn’t discourage Soto with minimal negotiating clout or promotional support, then three tough and hotly-contested losses shouldn’t disciourage Berto IF he’s a true ring-warrior. otherwise, designated ring-celebrities need not apply.

Posted August 1, 2013 1:38 pm 


Wasn’t Soto a tune up fight? He has a 20 and 8 record doesn’t he? Berto kinda sucks but you get the feeling that he at least has enough power to have a punchers chance against the top WWs and he is an exciting opponent to watch other fighters showcase against. I hope he sticks around Im definitely a fan.

Posted August 1, 2013 12:58 pm 


I think the changes in his camp as well as no tune up fights have cost him more than benefited him as a boxer.
He is not done he just needs better guidance moving forward as well as losing some of that body mass. You can look great but looks only carry you prior to the bell ringing.

Posted August 1, 2013 11:24 am 

te tumbo

pending an update on his long-term physical condition, dismissing Berto from the ranks of contenders is premature. NONE of his recent losses came easy for his opponents, two of which were dropped in route to their win,s and only one of which was able to end the contest before the final bell. Berto is a solid and dangerous gatekeeper. he’s not the smartest, strongest, or grittiest but NObody will have an easy time subduing Berto over 12 rounds.

Posted August 1, 2013 11:04 am 


I agree berto needs to take 2 yrs off or at least a yr plus and start back at squre one and against fighters who arent high volume punching pressure fighters. I dont think the fight was close though, i thought berto won 2 rounds and the reason his body isnt holding up is b/c he is carrying too much muscle mass which is not good for boxers. I do think soto karass is a better fighter than what people on here are giving him credit for. I think at welterweight he would fare well against the belt holders other than floyd. I would pick him to easily outwork broner, and idk about winning but I think he could hold his own with bradley or alexander.

Posted August 1, 2013 10:28 am 


Well I forgot that Tyson also fought his last fight with a BROKEN BACK…must be that hard core training …..I like Berto but he needs time off to regroup

Posted August 1, 2013 10:04 am 


Berto was a HBO hype job anyways. Huge heart and will in his last loss but just not quality enough. Dont know how he bounces back IF he even does.

Posted August 1, 2013 1:06 am 


Im sorry but with the way the fight started out I don’t really think he would he beat the gate keeper. And now Berto is the gate keeper to the gate keeper.

Posted August 1, 2013 12:02 am 

Tomato Can

Sorry, it’s time to stick a fork in Berto. He’s that done, unless he want’s to take two years minimum to give his shoulder a chance to heal completely. But even then, it won’t be the same. Unfortunately, Berto is now damaged goods with and exclamation point at the end.

Posted July 31, 2013 10:40 pm 


@Peej-I don’t disagree, Berto may be a gate keeper but he’s not done and he damn sure would have beaten the gate keeper he was fighting Saturday night.

Posted July 31, 2013 10:21 pm 


back hand*

Posted July 31, 2013 10:17 pm 


Mex: That’s not true, it was a draw in the 12th round with him fighting literally with a completely functionless pack hand. He was looking rather bad from the get go with his lack of head movement, but… I have no reason to think he wouldn’t have won with both hands working, although him going life and death with Soto which still would have happened is signs of being maybe upper gate keeper level. It’s sad. Feed Soto to Thurman I guess. He deserves an easier fight after that upper elite power wielding Argentine

Posted July 31, 2013 10:16 pm 


That may be true but they don’t take beatings like that. And the ones that do are called gate keepers. And that is what Soto is and now that is all Berto is. He was getting tagged before his shoulder messed up. He has been getting tagged his last 3 or 4 fights. His defense is poor. He has stalled out in getting better. I believe he has done all he is gonna do in boxing besides be a name on someones resume.

Posted July 31, 2013 10:04 pm 


@Bustajay-Can your nose be broken and you continue to get punched in it? Can you your jaw be broken and you continue to be punched in it, or ribs etc…NO! Not me or you but trained fighters with adrenaline pumpin 100mph through their systems…YES. It’s obvious whatever was wrong with his shoulder was legit and serious and he fought through that, and put forth a good effort, landing plenty of lefts. I personally think with two arms, Berto wins that’s fight. He’s not done either, plenty of fighters in the game have more losses than him.

Posted July 31, 2013 10:02 pm 


Yes and it depends on your pain thresh hold. Plus with your adrenaline running, many things can happen

Posted July 31, 2013 9:20 pm 


If your shoulder is torn from the socket can you even move it yet alone hold your arm up for more than 5 seconds?

Posted July 31, 2013 9:08 pm 

E in Denver

Love-the-Sport beat me to it. The Collazo gift was totally ignored. Berto has/had a high powered management team & was given soft comp on his way to a vacant title. This back fired because it robbed Berto of experience vs. steadily tougher comp. This exact formula is still used by the same management team. Gone are the days of all contenders having to earn a title shot or in some cases a world title. Berto’s fights are always fun to watch, I don’t mind the guy sticking around for that reason alone.

Posted July 31, 2013 6:06 pm 

Fight Aficionado

There were nut slurpers at ESB calling Berto the next coming when HBO had him smacking down overmatched comp for six figure paydays. I told y’all he would crash and burn as soon as he stepped up to non-cherryy picking comp. That’s what happened. What I want is for those nut huggers to raise their hands… didn’t think so.

Posted July 31, 2013 5:08 pm 


he needs to go to square one and start over…if he has the desire to keep fighting

Posted July 31, 2013 3:17 pm 


Berto has a glass chin…not even gate keeper worthy.

Posted July 31, 2013 3:16 pm 


Berto is ring worn and no sense of him going on

Posted July 31, 2013 2:38 pm 


I think Berto needs to ry rebuilding, start by take 3 to 4 fights he can win easily. This way he can get sharp with his timing and accuracy. During this time gain more lateral movement and learn to stop looking down the barrel at punches. His defense needs work, but imo he’s not done. That is unless those stiff legs and lack of balance continue to haunt him, then I would say call it a day.

Posted July 31, 2013 2:16 pm 


He is not gonna become any better than he is. Berto has topped out in skills. He was catered to when he was a you pro so he never got the fights he needed to mature him more. Now it’s too late. As the old saying goes you can’t teach an old dog new tricks. He has no defense. Yeah he has heart but just like with Soto that only gets you so far. Both fighters are gate keepers and that’s it

Posted July 31, 2013 1:50 pm 


I disagree with the notion that Berto has done a terrible job in his last 2 fights and underachieved. I expected him to lose to both soto karass and guerrero who have had the advantage of being tested against far better opposition than Berto before their fights with him. Berto just stepped up a level in competition and didnt fare well, but he did show a ton of heart and it is definately possible for him to learn from the defeats and become a better fighter.

Posted July 31, 2013 11:42 am 

te tumbo

IMO, Berto remains no less a viable contender. all of his losses have been fiercely-contested and Soto Karass had more losses than Berto coming into their matchup. a rematch between Berto and Ortiz is a natural. Berto can also continue to be the gatekeeper who greets 140lbrs making the transition to 147lbs. he has options. just not at the top of the pay-scale but it doesn’t mean he can’t earn his way back into the cable fight-cards. Soto Karass did it.

Posted July 31, 2013 11:10 am 


A perfect power left hook by Soto puts Berto out.

Posted July 31, 2013 10:45 am 


He didn’t lose because if the shoulder injury. He was getting tagged in the first 3 rounds. He’ll his lay 4 fights he’s been getting tagged

Posted July 31, 2013 10:29 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Only Klitschko’s are allowed to lose a fight because of a shoulder injury…

Posted July 31, 2013 10:13 am 


Berto needs to LOSE some of that muscle – he’s too musclebound and stiff. Working with Virgil Hunter may payoff a couple of fights down the line. If Berto hangs in there he can recover, he only has 3 losses just like Amir Khan.

Posted July 31, 2013 9:30 am 


Berto has the WILL, he just doesn’t have the SKILL!!

Posted July 31, 2013 9:27 am 

Exiled Yank

Lman – I always wondered why Berto’s name was never thrown in the mix with those other fighters. For crying outloud, he was every bit as good as Margo and Clottey and they all got their big shots.

Posted July 31, 2013 8:55 am 

Exiled Yank

I think the shoulder injury is being disregarded. It’s hard as hell to win a fight like this with one arm. Berto had the will, but his injury kept him from fighting his game. I’m not ready to write him off. He’s had four tough fights in a row. He needs to step back, heal up, take a fight that he can win and work his way back into the mix. Karass fought a hell of a fight and would give anyone a bad night, so I’m disrespecting him, I just feel Berto is not finished.

Posted July 31, 2013 8:53 am 


It is always sad to watch a career crash before your eyes …..Best of luck to this kid.

Posted July 31, 2013 8:46 am 


BJerto seems muscle bound. his movements are stiff and jerky. Even his legs are stiff and he moves like a robot. His neck muscles seem to prevent him from lipping and rolling with
Punches thus takingu the full impact. He is on the way to becoming a candidate for pugilistict dementia and should call it acarer.

Posted July 31, 2013 8:10 am 


Berto has been overrated….Soto is a C+ fighter at best and still Berto couldn’t do nothing.

Posted July 31, 2013 8:08 am 


Berto did pretty well with one arm from the middle rounds, he was connecting with some solid left hands and soto had to know they were coming. He does need to tweek his defense but had he had both arms I saw him winning that fight. Soto carass is nothing special, this win proved nothing for me.

Posted July 31, 2013 7:42 am 


This article is not accurate.

Berto had very, very, very BAD PERFORMANCES against Cosme Rivera and Luis Collozzo BEFORE the fight with Ortiz.

He was knocked out by Cosme Rivera and he only survived because his trainer cheated and faked a glove “malfunction” to buy 3-4 minutes to clear Berto’s head — but he was knocked out, out on his feet, and showed no chin even back in this fight some 6-8 years ago.

He really lost a decision to Luis Collozzo in a terrible performance where the stylist — with no power — tagged Berto repeatedly and wobbled him on several occasions.

So there were many early signs that Berto was not an elite fighter.

Posted July 31, 2013 7:40 am 



Posted July 31, 2013 7:21 am 


John David Jackson …………..

Posted July 31, 2013 4:23 am 


Berto vs khan one last fight for berto with a good paycheck and a victory. Should change trainer maybe robert garcia might help but please berto stay way from buddy mckirt

Posted July 31, 2013 3:02 am 

Edgar Guevara

He needs a new crafty trainer.

Posted July 31, 2013 12:06 am 


Berto seemed to be on his way to losing to Zaveck. Problem is he was catered to and never brought up the proper way. Thurman is being brought up the proper way and he seems like he will be a force in the division. Berto has reached his pinnacle and is now time to bow out. He is only a gate keeper. Really he is the gate keeper for the gate keeper since he has now lost to Soto.

Posted July 30, 2013 11:20 pm 


He didnt fight Cotto, Margarito, Mayweather, Clottey, Judah, Pacquiao, Mosely, he did well to win a belt and hold on to it for as long as he did, but he would have been found out sooner if he faced any of those guys first

Posted July 30, 2013 11:16 pm 


What’s the purpose of this article…on a boxing site read by boxing fans, who does not already know this regurgitation???

Space fillers need not post this garbage!!

Posted July 30, 2013 11:13 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Andre has came a long way in his career. It would be interesting to know the stats on how many try the sport verses how many actually become a featured fighter on cable TV, and champion as he has. Unless he changes trainers and increases his defense, he’s in for trouble. I wish him the best…

Posted July 30, 2013 10:47 pm 

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