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If Martinez is in shape which he ALWAYS seems to be its going to be a hard night for Chavez, this kid is willing to take ALOT of shots but that can tell over the course of a 12 round bout…. Martinez is going to be faster than anyone he has faced and will have ample opportunity to land his shots in succession…. To his credit Chavez is a tough fighter who genuinely comes to do damage so the older Martinez will have to avoid taking too many of those bodyshots himself… Interesting bout to say the least

Posted September 12, 2012 6:18 am 


hahahahaha Right! Excuses, excuses, Chavez is going NITE NITE! BUM!!!

Posted September 12, 2012 2:24 am 


What will jr & his fans excuses be?I can already see it lol.

Posted September 12, 2012 1:19 am 


Martinez has good power but! not one punch knock out power,,Paul Williams was a shot fighter when he fought Martinez the second time,in their first fight Williams took to much punishment he was not the same fighter in their second fight..Martinez knocked him out due too a barrage of punches and then a well time left hand,, Martinez can stop Chavez although i dont think he can,but if he does stop Chavez it will be from a accumulation of punches not one punch,,both fighters dont have one punch knock out power but their power is affective,, and i think the one who is going to get stop is Martinez ,them body shots from Chavez is going to be the difference …

Posted September 12, 2012 12:22 am 

Ghetto Thug

u mean the same de la chicken who spanked cheato triniwraps for 10 rounds?? BTW I dont like de la chicken neither like a boxer nor a promoter, but this is just a matter of accepting facts

Posted September 11, 2012 9:13 pm 

Ghetto Thug

Cheato Triniwraps had to lowblow his opponents EVERYTIME he got his ass in the canvas, just take a look on cheato vs vargas, reid, mayorga and some more.

Posted September 11, 2012 9:09 pm 

te tumbo

Martinez “might” defeat Rubio or Zbik but he actually hasN’T. Btw, please explain how Martinez matchups v. Dzinzurik, Macklin, and Barker were so much worthier of an HBO broadcast than a matchup v. Zbik? even Fredo has more name recognition than those guys, which is HBO’s priority when it comes to making broadcast decisions.

Posted September 11, 2012 8:17 pm 

B Red

Sergio by Tko

Posted September 11, 2012 8:15 pm 


He “might” beat those guys…but if he couldn’t knock out Rubio or Zbik, I HIGHLY doubt he could do that to those four mentioned….but Martinez knocked them ALL OUT! Rubio would get destroyed by Martinez and Zbik wasn’t even worthy of Martinez LOL Which is why HBO said “nay” to that fight, it would’ve been a total mismatch.

Posted September 11, 2012 7:12 pm 

te tumbo

“but Martinez has (as of late) shown the ability to knock guys out”. yeh. i have noticed that an older Martinez has been reborn stronger and faster but far be it from me to raise red-flags about illegal wrapping or inadequate testing. if Jr. isn’t worried about it, neither am i. Btw, i would favor Jr. v. Williams, Cintron, Dzinzurik, Macklin, and Barker. in fact, wins over that lineup would’ve only earned “son of a legend” more scorn for “avoiding” the Super Six.

Posted September 11, 2012 6:36 pm 

Boxing Fanatic

jr looks like he is gonna crap himself

Posted September 11, 2012 5:52 pm 

te tumbo

Martinez is elusive but not untouchable. Williams, Pavlik, and even Cintron scored plenty. i anticipate that Jr. will experience at least the same success once he finds his range and Martinez’s punches don’t have the KO-effect he seems to guarantee. if Martinez and his fans had their way, Martinez would be the second coming of Ray Robinson(?!) but i don’t see it. he’s a skilled and talented champion who Jr. has a legitimate shot at dethroning.

Posted September 11, 2012 5:43 pm 


I don’t know if you could tell…but Martinez has (as of late) show the ability to knock guys out, whether it be one shot (Williams & Cintron, although the ref was a freakin idiot) or an accumulation (Dzinzurik & Macklin & Barker) of punches. Chavez couldn’t wear down Duddy, Zbik or Rubio….those guys don’t come close to Martinez’s skill level. Those guys were happy standing still (or didn’t have the ability to move) and getting punched in the gut, Martinez won’t be so stupid.

Posted September 11, 2012 5:37 pm 


Fair enough. How many of those guys were stopped by Chavez? Not many. How many of those guys were stopped by Martinez? ALL FOUR!!

Posted September 11, 2012 5:32 pm 


Chavez’s last KO was against Lee….a string bean who stands still (who was nearly KO’d by McEwan) and allows himself to get ‘bullied’ against the ropes. Not to mention he’s been KO’d before. Before Lee, Which “opponent” had Chavez stopped? Oh yeah, Manfredo hahaha! Before that….Who? Some guy named Jason LeHoullier, who the hell is that?

Posted September 11, 2012 5:28 pm 


Roach doesn’t teach defense…Chavez is used to taking shots, he’ll do his best to avoid Martinez’s punches, but when the going gets tough, he’ll resort to “taking shot” to land his own…which will be his downfall. Martinez is great in exchanges because of his speed and precise punches. Jr. WILL take his punches, but for how long? Chavez is a GREAT body puncher, but in order to land on Martinez’s body, he must lower his lands, that’s when Martinez will strike! One more thing, Chavez Sr. believes that Martinez WILL back up in a straight line (Roach’s main focus is that Chavez ‘make’ Martinez do so), but he doesn’t, he circles, Chavez’s relatively slow and heavy feet (ala Pavlik) won’t give him the luxury of attacking at those angle…Martinez is too quick (hand and foot) for him.

Posted September 11, 2012 5:24 pm 

te tumbo

bottomline, Martinez is confidently over-relying on his KO punching power, which he’s never been known for. If and When his puncher’s fight-plan is shrugged aside by Jr., Martinez will be looking for a soft spot on the canvas to plant his ass or knees on.

Posted September 11, 2012 4:56 pm 

te tumbo

emphasis on “opponents”. anyway, neither of Martinez’s last four opponents were Chavez Jr. as long as Jr. shows-up physically-prepared (the One Roach specialty), he should be able to prevail over a gradually wilting Martinez over 12.

Posted September 11, 2012 4:53 pm 

te tumbo

moreover, “funny” how you suspect nothing regarding Martinez’s newfound strength, stamina, and lethal punching power. NONE of which he displayed during his presumed prime(?).

Posted September 11, 2012 4:51 pm 



Posted September 11, 2012 4:22 pm 

te tumbo

Margarito didn’t “stop” Martinez. only wore him down with constant and unrelenting pressure. talk about spinning the truth to suit a bitter agenda.

Posted September 11, 2012 4:01 pm 


Agreed!! But Martinez doesn’t run….he’s stopped his last 4 opponents, he can’t be a runner!

Posted September 11, 2012 4:00 pm 

te tumbo

Btw, compared to Cheato, Margarito was NEVER a lethal puncher. only an unrelenting one whose granite chin enabled him to challenge punchstat records every time he entered a ring. unlike Cheato who could rely on incredibly concussive punches Aaand jabs(?!?) to do his dirty work.

Posted September 11, 2012 3:58 pm 


How were Pavlik or Williams NOT ‘A Level’ fighters? Their resumes spoke for themselves….Pavlik beat the man (Taylor) who beat the man (Hopkins) and had only one loss, Pavlik also destroyed Rubio as where Chavez barely beat him. Williams’ resume was also a VERY good one, having only lost once (to Quintana in which he revenged via 1st round KO) before Martinez iced him. Who has Chavez beaten? Rubio and Zbik are about the best he’s beaten, they were NOT ‘A Level’ fighters.

Posted September 11, 2012 3:55 pm 

te tumbo

i agree. Cheato Trinidud became a virtual Bum following him being exposed by Bouie Fisher and Nazim who explicitly made the comparison between Cheato and Margarito just one day after the Shane incident. too bad his wraps weren’t subjected to crime-lab analysis even though the anecdotal evidence was Damning and the Pouty-Unavenged-Post-Loss RetirementS only emphasized Cheato’s lack of confidence without his illegal handwraps.

Posted September 11, 2012 3:54 pm 

te tumbo

i would favor this version of Jr. v. the most prominent names on Martinez’s ring-resume. otherwise, who are the A-level opponents that Martinez has demolished? his P4P status is well-earned but it’s relative. if you ask yourself just how competitive Martinez would be in a division that included the likes of Hagler, Hearns, Toney, Jones Jr. and Nunn or even just Duran, Norris, McCallum, Olajide, and Kalambay you’ll see what i’m talking about. bottomline, Jr’s. timing is perfect to claim Martinez’s relative greatness and P4P status for his own. at which point, we can count on his Haters making the same relative argument to deny Jr. credit for doing so. after all, they are bitterly dedicated to making being the “son of a legend” a burden and obstacle rather than an advantage, which is fine. it’s only made Jr. tougher and more determined.

Posted September 11, 2012 3:49 pm 


Funny thing… Cheato was a lethal puncher before he was caught using plaster to knock people out… Since then he’s gotten the crap blasted out of him and hasn’t been able to stop anybody.

Posted September 11, 2012 3:47 pm 


Even Mexican Fernando Vargas who was at the fight that night and booing DLH as well said Delachicken Ran from Trinidad.. as he put it when asked what he thought of Delahoyas perfermance vs Tito that night “He’s no Mexican, Mexicans do not Run” DelaChicken was never the same afterwards losing 5 more fights…

Posted September 11, 2012 3:45 pm 


Te tumbo, if Chavez Jr HAD fought anybody of significance – on the same level as Martinez, I would AGREE with you. Chavez is SMART though he shrinks his 180lb + body down to 160lbs then rehydraes back up to 180lbs + for fight night, so he’s a cruiserweight fighting supermiddles. But against Martinez, if Martinez moves like he normally does all that weight will work against Chavez Jr late in the fight and Martinez will probably TKO or KO him.

Posted September 11, 2012 3:33 pm 

te tumbo

i can’t think of a SINGLE bout where a fighter won 10/12 rounds and was still denied the scorecard nod(?). Not-A-One. sounds like a bunch of pre-fight whining designed to compromise the credibility of any win for Jr. of course, the “expert” whiners will take a powder shoudl Jr. prevail in convincing fashion, which i believe is a definite possibility. if Jr. doesn’t react to Martinez’s punches, Martinez will get on his bicycle and run for the final bell.

Posted September 11, 2012 3:21 pm 


How many A level guys has Martinez defeated on their A level is a good question and I would say just one guy and thats Williams. Other than that he has the same comp Chavez has a bunch of C and B level guys. Check out Martinez comp b4 the 1st Williams fight and you’ll see a long list of F and G level guys lol

Posted September 11, 2012 3:18 pm 

te tumbo

“No Excuses” is Martinez’s mantra. incompetent scoring is predictable and true fight-fans have learned to consider unofficial wins with as much if not more credibility than “official” scorecard wins. Martinez needs to go for the KO and NOT rely on style-points, which cost whittaker more than one scorecard nod. otherwise, he risks being called a “chicken” for “running” like DLH was for moving and boxing during the last three rounds of his presumed win v. Trinidud. double-standards abound and are convenient outs for compromised judges and their suspect scoring practices.

Posted September 11, 2012 3:12 pm 

te tumbo

i honestly haven’t seen Martinez defeat any A-level opponents and i would favor this Jr. over the most prominent names on his ring-resume (Cintron, Pavlik, Williams). Martinez’s 160lb supremacy is undisputed but relative. he reigns over a division in flux and without an abundance of P4P talent. otherwise, Martinez would barely compete in a division with Hagler, Hearns, Toney, Nunn, or even Norris, Olajide, McCallum, and Kalambay, which is about the bracket that Martinez would be competitive in along with Pavlik, Williams, and Chavez Jr.

Posted September 11, 2012 3:05 pm 


Sergio does not need a stoppage…but he does need to win 10 rounds decisively to get a 115-113 decision.. Now, I know Pernell Whitaker won every round when he fought Chavez Sr, and was still robbed blind—but Boxing has come a long way since then.. If you win 10 rounds decisively nowadays, like Ward did vs Froch, they usually give it to you 115-113—even if they hate your guts, curse your lifestyle, and receive a massive bonus if you lose … Judges do want Boxing to survive so they’re not out of a job—and they don’t like being called before the commission … Although I’m not sure about Duane Ford. He’s the most “flexible” judge I’ve ever seen.

Posted September 11, 2012 3:00 pm 

Turd Spotter

Is that you Public Enemy? I think I recognize your bitter misery anywhere. :mrgreen:

Posted September 11, 2012 2:41 pm 


Chicken Jr. has about as much chance to win this fight as MargaCheato had winning his fights without his Cement Wraps.. ZERO…

Posted September 11, 2012 2:31 pm 


You know,..the kId is tough but he looks a little ballooned up. It doesn’t look right,
he looks like he is filled with air. Plus he is lazy and kind of a punk. Martinez is
fit and hard as steel. He has the wisdom and toughness and one punch KO power.
I think he is the favorite.

Posted September 11, 2012 2:27 pm 


I think Chavez has a good chance…I just haven’t seen him beat anyone who’s anything close to Martinez, he’s a MUCH higher caliber fighter. Chavez has beaten TONS of C level fighters and maybe a couple B level fighters (Lee being one), but Martinez is an A (or A+) level fighter….can Junior “mature” over night? Maybe. Will Martinez “get old” over night? Maybe. We’ll soon find out!

Posted September 11, 2012 2:26 pm 

mexicano day

jr if it his fate .he will surely win god has wrote the script in jrs life 13/8 take the price

Posted September 11, 2012 1:23 pm 

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