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Shane Mosley didn’t need any “killer instinct” to beat up and knock out a plasterless, toothless Cheato… All he needed was for Cheato to be defanged and deplastered before the fight.

Mosley showed no such murderous lust vs Floyd, Forrest, Mora, Wright, Cotto — or anybody else possessing 10 X the boxing skills of the wide open Master of Plaster … LMFAO at Sredmond.

Posted June 10, 2013 10:00 am 


Sredmond…, Give it up Stupid ass. Getting knocked down doesn’t necessarily equate to being hurt. Ask any boxing trainer or experienced professional boxer—and they’ll tell you this right to your fat, ugly, liver spotted face. Ask them if a boxer can be hurt without being knocked down. They look at you like you’re from Zu Zu Land. When you’re staggered you’re legs do the dipsy-doodle or the stutter step, as Trout did. The force of the straight right didn’t knock Trout down—it hurt him and took his legs away momentarily. That effect caused him to fall. He wasn’t badly hurt—but in danger if Saul followed up with more shots as he was staggering.

Everyone knows Vitali staggered Lewis—and Lewis never staggered Vitali. Any fair and intelligent person who studies that fight knows Lewis didn’t “cave Vitali’s face in” as you claim. VK’s left cheek and eye were badly slashed, but not badly swollen. Those deep jagged cuts were slashed open not smashed open. Nobody else cut Vitali seriously—he’s not a bleeder like Henry Cooper.. Lewis never inflicted cuts like that on any other boxer.. He slashed those 3 jagged cuts wide open with the palm of his glove while he held Lewis in a headlock.

Posted June 10, 2013 12:07 am 


“You’re worse than Boxtra who hasn’t picked Canelo so far.”-And SO is everyone else. Including YOU.

Posted June 9, 2013 5:45 pm 

White Man is The King of HW Boxing

You got the beat bud…………………Herman the German you got the beat.

Posted June 9, 2013 10:32 am 

Herman Steindorf

When Haters spew their diarrhea hate from their Pie Hole, you know they are sour and you know the K-Bros have sealed their legacy in the Haters Bigot Brain. Who is the HW Champs of the World?? Who?? KLITSCHKOS thats who. And they hate it…Bigot Brains….Bigot Brain Bastards….FU

Posted June 9, 2013 10:30 am 

Herman Steindorf

K-Bros not looking for anything…they have everything..they are “The Champs” and have ruled all MOFOS for a DECADE. Wlad The Destroyer

Posted June 9, 2013 10:26 am 


Tark, it kills me we have 3 fighters that hit the canvas right in front of our eyes and YOU decided NONE we hurt… Guess they just went down as part of your movie script? Or out of boredom? You are patently ridiculous but then again your the same crazed revisionist that would put his filthy, liver spotted hand on a Bible and swear that Lewis took a box cutter to Vitalis face when sane people saw him blasting that then upstart with right hands… Poor Klits still looking for his legacy in the past…Tsk Tsk Tsk…..

Posted June 9, 2013 8:40 am 


Tark, “a more Killer instinctive boxer might have finished Floyd” yeah like Shane Mosley who stopped the IRON CHINNED Margarito in the 9th round of the prior bout? Shane who’s stopped PLENTY of guys… Shane went for it and he was fresh, but as we know Floyd has an answer for everything and his fitness is second to none… He clenched Mosley, defended against further damage, cleared his head and was moving forward by rounds end… We all know Floyds human but the relatively SLOW Canelo is gonna look like a cadaver in there…This has shades of Martinez vs Chavez except that Floyd’s a much better defender than Sergio…. Easy night…!

Posted June 9, 2013 8:35 am 


Tark the notion that Rigondeaux, Ward or Canelo were not hurt when they were put down is DUMB… When your legs are taken out you have experienced some degree of hurt none of these were off balance KD’s but you would argue the weather.. We all know Shane hurt Floys with a couple blows but as per usual the GREAT Mayweather never left his feet, recovered and was in control by the end of the round… All these guys Rigondeaux, Ward, and Canelo had to hear 1,2,3,4,5 etc… Intelligent folk get it

Posted June 9, 2013 8:27 am 


I am.

Posted June 9, 2013 2:22 am 


LOL… Everyone knows who the stalker is Slurper.

Posted June 9, 2013 12:09 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Wow I’m flattered but I’m going to have to put you on stalker status…

Posted June 8, 2013 9:19 pm 


Your posts you idiot.

Posted June 8, 2013 6:50 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

How do you know what I used to say? I always figured you to be a ball-gazer…

Posted June 8, 2013 6:23 pm 


…. “Here it’s getting nearer to fight time.” … Right, so close.. LMFAO

Posted June 8, 2013 6:15 pm 


LMFAO Ernie Enema Slurper… I made Floyd a 12:1 favorite over Guerrero or -1200… That’s why I told Hecdog Floyd was an excellent bet even with the -700 odds on him… Hecdog thought Guerrero should be favored and would win… To each his own.

This is a much closer fight… hence my odds… I notice you changed your pick Slurper… You used to say Canelo was going to clean up everybody out and put Mayflower out of his misery … Now you’re going with Floyd.

You’re worse than Boxtra who hasn’t picked Canelo so far.

Posted June 8, 2013 6:12 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Here it’s getting nearer to fight time and as expected, the douche-nozzle is giving the favorite 8 or 9 to 5 odds, with a few exceptions of course. How predictable…

Posted June 8, 2013 5:50 pm 


Nope. Thats called facing a bunch of #0 P4P Fighters.

Posted June 8, 2013 5:40 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

The local douche-nozzle chimed in with: ” was in the business for several decades, and still keep a hand in it.” No one cares where you keep your hands, as long as they stay in your pants, you know the rules.

btw, nice work by Supreme Court layin it out for Tard…

Posted June 8, 2013 5:39 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

“SO I ask again. Who HASN’T been hurt or staggered????” Triple G has had 375 pro & amateur fights and has NEVER once touched the canvas. Vitali has NEVER once touched the canvas. I don’t believe that either man has ever been hurt or staggered either, but that of course is debatable. IRON CHINS.

Posted June 8, 2013 5:32 pm 


De La Hoya’s right Mayweather hasn’t changed – he’s still undefeated & still Philthy Rich

Posted June 8, 2013 4:34 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

“Good analysis Squared Circle… A solid knockdown is a 10-8 round unless the other guy comes back and scores a knockdown like Sergio Martinez did in the first Williams fight.” Thanks TARK. And I agree with your explanation of the semantics and definitions of basic boxing terminology.

Posted June 8, 2013 4:31 pm 


My pick has been out there for weeks… I make Floyd an 8:5 favorite.. It was brilliant to negotiate a 152 catch-weight.. Saul is a strapping and expanding 22-year-old kid.. It’s been very difficult for him to make 154 for his last few fights, having to dehydrate 18 pounds for his last one.. Canelo’s punches thrown statistic wasn’t spectacular for Trout. This has to be a concern for his team because it’s important for Saul to be fresher and stronger into the ring than he was for Trout.. There will be no open scoring in Vegas… There will be more neutral judging than in San Antonio… Floyd is an extremely influential man in Sin City … This will not be a bed of roses for Saul.

Posted June 8, 2013 4:22 pm 


You’re an idiot… I have been a big supporter of Floyd’s and Vitali’s… You’re only white hero is Joe Calzaghe.

Posted June 8, 2013 4:13 pm 

Big Al

Tark, just for the record. I’m predicting that Floyd will outbox Canelo and he will win. No technical analysis, semantics, stats or other nonsense involved. Just one boxing fan’s prediction over another.

All of your previous rants seem to suggest that you’re arguing that Mayweather CAN get knocked out. So just go on and say it, don’t hide behind your examples of past fights or hypotheticals. Use your boxing knowledge and make a solid prediction.

Mayweather UD12 Alvarez

Posted June 8, 2013 3:31 pm 

Supreme Court

Provide a link, a reference , to all the definitions you listed…
I bet you’ll vanish as quick as a taliban in a tarabora cave…

Posted June 8, 2013 3:09 pm 


Stung and stunned are fine shades… Stung is if you’re very lightly stunned. Calzaghe was stunned by a couple Kessler uppercuts, but you never saw him stagger at any time. He wasn’t hurt.

Posted June 8, 2013 3:04 pm 


Another poster who can’t read.. I am not a Pac man.. I favor Mayweather in any fight with Pac, and I always have.. I want to see it very much and believe it will still be one Hell of a matchup — but it was much better years ago.. Right now Canelo, Matthysse, and Broner matchup better with Floyd — even though May-Pac may do more money than Matthysse or Broner… The fight could still have a certain magic if Pac can be impressive against Rios.

Posted June 8, 2013 2:56 pm 


Supreme Court… You don’t know the game OR the terminology associated with the game. I’ve was in the business for several decades, and still keep a hand in it. Semantics as related to Boxing is important to pay attention to—if you want to be a knowledgeable fan and know what the most knowledgeable people are talking about.

“Hurt” means you’ve been badly effected by a punch, and in danger of gettng knocked out.

“Staggered” means your legs are so unsteady you lost your footing in a manner that makes you stagger … even if for a second or two… You don’t need to be knocked down to be staggered.

“Knocked down” means the force or impact of a legal punch put you on the canvas.. If if you were off balance when hit, and even if only a portion of one glove touches the canvas, it counts as a legal knockdown. You don’t have to be hurt. Floyd was knocked down by Judah, but not staggered, stunned, or hurt by Zab.

“Stunned” means your bell was rung. You can easily be stunned, or even staggered without being knocked down. You might go down if you’re badly stunned—but you can probably jump right back to your feet and resume boxing without too much trouble, if you’re fairly experienced. You’re in danger of being hurt if you were stunned, but a tough boxer might take several stunning blows and fire back immediately without his legs being affected. If he staggers he IS hurt. If he seems stunned you try to get him hurt — then you try to get him out.

It IS semantics… It’s the language of Boxing.

Posted June 8, 2013 2:47 pm 


@Supreme Court – Tark is just a butt hurt angry Pac fan he likes to poor his anguish onto others and make them feel bad because his little juicer idol has fallen so far down the pecking order he cant feel his own balls now. If you actually look at some of his post this week he clearly needs psychiatric help to get over pacs beat down after loss number 7 or what ever it is. Hes got no more ammunition to throw and it hurts his fewelings so bad that he has to dig up and live off past glorys

Posted June 8, 2013 2:31 pm 


Supreme Court, who makes YOU a professor ??? LMAO

Posted June 8, 2013 2:04 pm 

Supreme Court

No more doubt!
You are a pretentious poster, Tark!
You manufacture your own definitions of “hurt” to better suit your point.
You are a cheater!
And this comes from a professor, Tark!
The teacher says you are a cheater!

How ridiculous is your stupid attempt to win at all cost!
You try, like those who cannot prove their cases, to play the semantic card…
And then you get entangled in your own spider net, to the point you moo like a starving cow that someone who is “nailed”, “floored”, or “knock down” is not hurt….
You sounds more and more like a moron who impersonates a nobel prize winner….
Can your pea-size process the biological mechanism entailed while a fighter goes down whithout being “wrestle or pin down”?
How can that happen without being PHYSICALLY hurt?

Posted June 8, 2013 1:37 pm 

I see Good

Martinez is getting OLD he wins but barely cant see him as CHAMP very much longer. Canelo is great but the REAL DEAL is GGG. yes I can see SOG Ward doing the MAYWEATHER shuffle AVOID at all costs. (Pacman) to dangerous .. triple G is the man. canelo would get beat esily by triple G.. GGG will have a BIG problem defending his title because NO BODY in his division can touch him or want to be in the RING with GGG. He is NOW the MOST AVOIDED boxer at this time. To DANGEROUS.

Posted June 8, 2013 1:30 pm 


…… “Some ignorant fans and pundits are free-wheeling with Boxing terminology.”

“Hurt” means you’re in danger of being knocked out. Getting jarred, floored, punched real hard, or getting a cut or an oowie is not being hurt.”

“Staggered” means your legs are going… Trout was staggered by the knockdown punch, did the dipsy-doodle, and crashed to the floor. If you get dropped, that doesn’t necessarily mean you’ve been staggered or hurt.

Posted June 8, 2013 1:08 pm 


I understand giving the round to Canelo but it was no 10-8 round. And in reality with the way scoring should be done Trout actually won the round except for the knockdown. Since a knockdown is an automatic point and if Triut won it like he did then it should be a 9-9 round. Trout going from 10 to 9 since he was knocked down

Posted June 8, 2013 1:06 pm 


Sredmond you’re an ignorant jackass…., You’re not observant. You put words in my mouth and say BS things like Lewis caved Vitali’s face in. His cuts were slashed open—not smashed open. Vitali can be added to my list of fighters never hurt or staggered. Lewis however was badly staggered.

Rigondeaux was NOT staggered or hurt… He was nailed by a great puncher with a hard driving left out of a clinch and spin. The force of the blow knocked Rigo down. He was up immediately, WITHOUT a count. His legs were fine … Andre Ward was a little freewheeling when Boone was sitting on his right. Ward got nailed with a perfect straight right. He was stunned by the blow—but not staggered or hurt. He was up by 2 and didn’t stagger. The referee observed him closely. His legs looked fine as Boone went after him for the rest of the round. Ward never got caught with a terrific full force blow like that again. He’s a brilliant defender. Some ignorant fans and pundits are free-wheeling with Boxing terminology. “Hurt” means you’re in danger of being knocked out. Getting jarred, floored, punched real hard, or getting a cut or an oowie is not being hurt.

Floyd was hurt. Floyd did the dipsy-doodle. Floyd’s legs were shaky. Floyd was in a dangerous situation. A more killer instinctive finisher might have ended that fight. Floyd was lucky because Mosley followed up poorly. Mayweather took over the fight in the 3rd by putting power shots on Shane. Shane backed off for the rest of the fight—similar to when Mosley was ripped by Vernon Forrest in the 2nd round—and went away for the rest of the night. If Floyd got caught by a young bomber who’s a natural 154-pounder—he won’t survive as easily.

I didn’t see Alvarez get dropped by Jose Cotto. I understand it wasn’t a big deal and he wasn’t staggered or hurt. I will review it when I get time. Alvarez was a teenager and he’s a vastly improved fighter now—but I’m interested in looking into that fight to see if I’m wrong. It happens.

Posted June 8, 2013 1:00 pm 


Leave Ernie along SRED he is helping me realize my shortcomings and is making me a better person daily.

Posted June 8, 2013 12:10 pm 


The FACT is that HALF the guys that TARK named have been hurt, staggered, and/or knocked down. Which proves MY point that its hard to name very many guys who haven’t been hurt, staggered, or even WORSE knocked DOWN.

Rigo was staggered and dropped on the undercard of Margarito vs Pacquiao. Ward was dropped, staggered and hurt vs. Boone. Canelo was staggered vs. Cotto.

SO I ask again. Who HASN’T been hurt or staggered???? Floyd remains as the most difficult Fighter to stop in the ENTIRE Sport of Boxing. Canelo needs to recognize that. He’s more difficult to hurt, stagger, or drop than Trout who Canelo couldn’t stop. Youtube says that I am CORRECT.

SO IF Canelo wants to hurt, stagger, drop and eventually stop Mayweather he’d better get working QUICK on how to dramatically improve his Offense. Because his last Fight his Offense wasn’t even GOOD enough to stop Trout whose Defense is at least TWO times LESSER than Mayweather’s.

Posted June 8, 2013 12:02 pm 


Using GGG a guy who’s NEVER beat a World Class fighter is a joke just line Canelos record and Floyds are not comparable… Canelo’s is padded just like MOST young fighters…

Posted June 8, 2013 11:38 am 


Peej, there was no way that was an even round that’s just greedy… Canelo won that round and quibbling over the score does not really enhance any arguments… Most ringsiders and reasonable people felt the scores were out of wack in Canelos favor.. That’s not gonna happen in Vegas absent open scoring the boys gonna have to bring it…

Posted June 8, 2013 11:36 am 

Supreme Court

Tark , you wrote:
“The fighters I listed had more than a combined 150 fights without being staggered or hurt.”

That’s right there the proof of your lack of intellectual integrity!
Your argumentation was shot down by a proven scientific principle that requires that the variable used for comparison be standardized or normalized if valid inferences need to be drawn.
Cornered, you alter your initial argument by combining now GGG, Rigondeaux, Ward records against Floyd!
The more you yap, the more the Highest Court will expose you.
Stick to simpler analysis…

Posted June 8, 2013 11:34 am 


Ernie, you’ve to my knowledge NEVER written an original post of your own, you simply post about others posts.. Why not sit and learn?? Work on decreasing your worthlessness and complete irrelevance…

Posted June 8, 2013 11:33 am 


Negative. Trout wine most that round but the knockdown. Yeah the judges made it 10-8 bit it shouldn’t of been. It should of been 9-9 because Trout actually dominated when he got up

Posted June 8, 2013 10:17 am 


Ward was down against I believe Darnell Boone, and Rigondeaux was down his last fight… Floyd Mayweather got buzzed against Mosley and was back on his game bunt he end of the round… Anyone can get hurt or stopped but Canelos odds of getting to Mayweather are VERY low he lacks the speed and skills…

Posted June 8, 2013 9:20 am 


Haimat, your opinion is of 0000000 value to me facts are facts but on ESB people love to play FAST and LOOSE with them… I didn’t knock those 3 boxers down other fighters did… Building an argument for them never having been hurt is plain incorrect… Do basic homework if your gonna make a case…

Posted June 8, 2013 9:16 am 


Lol @ Alvarez according to De la Hoya has already opened camp hes gonna need it

Posted June 8, 2013 9:09 am 


SREDMOND, calling people names ain’t cool. your credibility is much less than TARK so calm down.

Posted June 8, 2013 8:28 am 


Tark, you’re an idiot Rigondeaux was in his butt during his last fight what boxing are you watching?? Ward as terrific as he is has been down early in his career… Mayweather has way more World Championship experience than these guys… Canelo
Was down against Jose Miguel Cotto I believe all these fighters have been hurt… What’s your point? You’ve embarrassed yourself all these guys have been on their seats absent Mayweather…

Posted June 8, 2013 4:58 am 


Do you think Martinez or Quillin are ready to fight Golovkin??? He would gladly fight them.. He has to fight somebody… He can only fight the guys who are willing to get knocked out.

Posted June 8, 2013 3:29 am 


Tsk tsk. I see the ranting is still going on. Tell me which janitor is golovkin fighting this week? Or is it the bus driver from the sarta crew?. Soo tired of hearing this mans name being thrown around like he could KO Jesus or something the way u go on about him. Let me kno when he fights ANYONE who matters ok. Til then try to keep it in your pants boys. Anywho I wish September would get here already. Idk how many times you all can “analyze” this fight but I guess whatever makes u happy.

Posted June 8, 2013 2:57 am 


Oh.. BTW.. Done Deal…, I’m not a Floyd hater in the least.. Floyd is the GOAT…for NOW!!! He has to go through a gauntlet in the next 2 years.

Things can change in the blink of an eyelash.. One sizzling straight right from Canelo and Floyd could be toast.. A brutal right uppercut left hook combination could finish Floyd off. If Floyd gets by Canelo he still has to get past Matthysse and Broner. You haven’t seen offense until you’ve seen these 2 boys bring it … They’re on the warpath Jackson.

Once they get you going they don’t lighten up like Sugar Shane Mosley.

Posted June 8, 2013 2:44 am 


Good analysis Squared Circle… A solid knockdown is a 10-8 round unless the other guy comes back and scores a knockdown like Sergio Martinez did in the first Williams fight. His knockdown was more solid and he took over. He did more damage in the round. SM round 10-9. A round could be 10-10 with one knockdown if the other fighter hurts or staggers the guy scoring the knockdown and dominates the round. You could force the referee to stop it after being knocked down. That gives you the win. Canelo won the 7th 10-8 with no problem. Beautiful shot… followed by the dipsy-doodle with the legs going in 3 different directions at once … and a crash landing.

Posted June 8, 2013 2:22 am 


Supreme Court.. No I don’t get your drift, because your analytical skills are very weak. The fighters I listed had more than a combined 150 fights without being staggered or hurt. That’s my point. An old man who isn’t putting serious hurt on anybody had Floyd doing the dipsy-doodle. Therefore getting in with Canelo puts Floyd in danger. Who the Hell is going to hurt or stagger Guillermo Rigondeaux? Won’t happen—but it could happen to Floyd vs Canelo, Matthysse, or Broner. They have a fair chance to twist Floyd’s hinny every way but loose … and hurt him in all kinds of ways.

Posted June 8, 2013 2:20 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

“Your right Canelo did put Trout on the seat of his pants with a great right. Bit Trout got up and dominated that round so technically it should of been a 9-9 round” Oh… what a lead of B.S!

It was a 10-8 round for Canelo because of the legit knockdown. Trout recovered well, but still got out-boxed for the majority of the round. Just because that idiot Yo Paulie complimented Trout for coming forward toward the end of the round, doesn’t mean that he landed any hard, meaningful shots. Some giving Trout the benefit of the doubt, might have scored it 10-9, but to say 9-9 is absolutely absurd. You keep saying that Trout won, so clearly you need to learn the difference between amateur scoring and pro scoring. And I say that in a friendly manner, PEEJ, without trying to insult you. A grazing feather-duster is NOT worth as many points as a rock-solid power shot that moves a guy backwards. And the only thing that Trout landed were feather-dusters.

Posted June 8, 2013 12:59 am 

Supreme Court

Let me do a SWOT analysis about you:
Strength: historical facts
Weaknesses: Average to sub-average analytical capacity.
Opportunity: broadcasting on ESB
Threat: The Highest Court.

Posted June 8, 2013 12:12 am 

Supreme Court

…You claim “Floyd is the most difficult Fighter to stop in the Sport”

“How about Golovkin… Ever seen him staggered??? How about Ward…”

That’s a shallow analysis: to compare you have to “normalize” or “standardize” the performances of fighters, that is you have account for the number of fights each fighter had, and the caliber of opponents.
To illustrate, if a given fighter had 1 professional he won without being “staggered”; would you say he is more difficult to hit than Floyd because Floyd has been “staggered” by Corley?
Rigondeaux: 13 pro fights
Golovkin: 20?
Mayweather: 44

Get my drift?

Posted June 8, 2013 12:08 am 


Your right Canelo did put Trout on the seat of his pants with a great right. Bit Trout got up and dominated that round so technically it should of been a 9-9 round

Posted June 7, 2013 11:27 pm 

Done Deal

TARK has always been a Floyd hater lol. Tell me Tark who has stopped Floyd since you say he can be stopped? Dont worry I’ll wait……… Best defensive fighter in the history of the sport. Highest + – ration recorded in boxing history. In case some one does not know what that means, Floyd’s ration of punches landed on opponents vs. punches landed on him is the highest in the history of boxing. Oh he has also only been knocked down once and it was not by a punch, it was because he broke his hand and his glove touched the mat in a fight in which he won with one hand. Yes he has been hurt. He has fought 13+ world champions and several HOF fighters. Lets compare that resume to Conelo, Golovkin, Ward, Rigondeux (who has 14 fights), and those other no names you put out there.

Posted June 7, 2013 10:26 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

“they did it in Rodriguez’s fight a couple weeks ago in NJ. Initially called a TD win on cuts, they revised it to TKO because a punch obv split open the opponents face. Likewise, if a dude head butts an opponent replays will show he doesn’t deserve a TKO. There’s no reason at all why this can’t be implemented everywhere.” Well said, FA. Totally agree with that.

Posted June 7, 2013 10:05 pm 

Who won

The scorecards, Canelo won.

Posted June 7, 2013 9:57 pm 

Who won

It was a close win for Canelo, no arguement, forget the judges.

Posted June 7, 2013 9:56 pm 


We all know that it was a CLOSE Fight but the judges were paid OFF by Oscar. He had TOO much riding on Canelo SO he made SURE that Canelo would WIN IF he ended the Fight on his FEET.

Posted June 7, 2013 9:54 pm 

Who won

You can’t forget the knockdown in a close fight, and it was a solid knockdown.

Posted June 7, 2013 9:51 pm 


I bet Oscar WISHES he had open scoring vs Trinidad. At least he would have known AHEAD of time that he would be robbed IF he just RAN.

Posted June 7, 2013 9:50 pm 


Trout was be gracious in defeat. Something a lot of fighters can learn from. If you listen or read any other interview with Trout he states that he thought he won the fight but also know the fight was close and that he wouldn’t argue with a win for Canelo. He also states 2 of the judges should answer for there score card

Posted June 7, 2013 9:44 pm 


That’s what made the Floyd vs. Cotto Fight exciting. Floyd for once actually tried to appease the fans and went for the knockout in the 12th despite being UP by 8 rounds. Canelo opted to RUN…..Actually a NICE strategy in getting prepared to try and out Box Mayweather.

Posted June 7, 2013 9:35 pm 

Who won

Trout said he lost the fight, he was the fighter.

Posted June 7, 2013 9:33 pm 


….Also Canelo not wanting to make a statement by knocking him out ruined it. IF he would have knocked Trout OUT then they would’ve already sold 1 Millon PPV on PRE sale.

Posted June 7, 2013 9:33 pm 


“LOL open scoring ruined the fight. Trout knew he was behind so the onus on him was to go balls to the wall in the late rounds to try and win.”-Nope. POOR scoring ruined the Fight. The score being opened or closed was not the factor. BAD scoring was the factor. Even if the score was OPEN, IF the scores were more ACCURATE you would have had a Fight. Just imagine IF Canelo knew he was TIED after 8???? Would have been an entirely different Fight. SO the score being open didn’t ruin it. Blind judges DID.

Posted June 7, 2013 9:31 pm 


“What about De La Hoya??? A highly respected judge and Floyd’s own father, Floyd Mayweather Sr, thought Floyd lost that SD.”-Well they’d better go take a SIGHT class.

Posted June 7, 2013 9:23 pm 

Track and Field 400 metres aritnmetic

Staggered starts, or after 1 round it wouldn’t be even.

Posted June 7, 2013 9:15 pm 


Golovkin???? Ever seen him face a CHAMP???? Ward????..YUP. Saw him knocked down vs. Daniel Boone. Canelo???? Yup saw him staggered vs. the LESSER Cotto…Rigondeaux???? Yup saw him staggered against Marroquin, knocked down by Cordoba, and knocked down vs. Donaire….Wach????? HE LOST more rounds than Dan Quale. No need to stagger him or knock him out. Just continue to knock him out on the scorecards….Pulev???? EVER seen him face a CHAMP. IF I’d never faced a CHAMP before I may not get staggered EITHER.

SO YES to some of those and to the others its irrelevant. Because they are no factor in the Sport of Boxing. They have other things to worry about than being staggered. Like how to FACE a CHAMP or WIN a ROUND.

Posted June 7, 2013 9:11 pm 

Boxing Arithmetic

Haye would stagger Pulev, he is good eno
ug, but not tall enough to stay out of range against Haye.

Posted June 7, 2013 9:03 pm 

Boxing Arithmetic

Showtime contract, if the Mayweather v Canelo is a trilogy, then that’s 3 fights and at 7 million PPV, million for the last Guerrero fight it’s nearly paid off.

Posted June 7, 2013 8:56 pm 


…You claim “Floyd is the most difficult Fighter to stop in the Sport”

How about Golovkin… Ever seen him staggered??? How about Ward… Ever seen him staggered??? How about Canelo… Ever seen him staggered??? How about Rigondeaux… Ever seen him staggered??? How about Mariuze Wach… Ever seen him staggered??? How about Kubrat Pulev… Ever see him staggered???

No to all of those. Floyd knows what it’s like to be hurt.

Posted June 7, 2013 8:53 pm 


…Floyd is the most difficult Fighter to stop in the Sport…

How about Golovkin… Ever seen him staggered??? How about Ward… Ever seen him staggered??? How about Canelo… Ever seen him staggered??? How about Rigondeaux… Ever seen him staggered??? How about Mariuze Wach… Ever seen him staggered??? How about Kubrat Pulev… Ever see him staggered???

No to all of those. Floyd knows what it’s like to be hurt.

Posted June 7, 2013 8:51 pm 


Floyd remains the GOAT whether he WINS or not. Pacquaio, Roy Jr., Robinson, and Leonard ALL were SPANKED no later than 35. IF Floyd LOSES he’ll be 36 which KEEPS him at GOAT.

Posted June 7, 2013 8:50 pm 

Boxing Arithmetic

Mayweather loses a fight, so what, there is the rematch, and if not so what, you can’t win them all, you can try, that’s Boxing.

Posted June 7, 2013 8:45 pm 


CORRECTION on post at 7:44pm……He makes guys MISS 83% on average….

Posted June 7, 2013 8:37 pm 


“Floyd can be stopped… He’s been hit real good and hurt real good”-Which Fighter HASN’T been hit real good and hurt real good????? The FACT is that Mayweather gets hit the LEAST in the ENTIRE Sport of Boxing. And THAT is why he’s the most difficult Fighter to stop in the Sport…….IF Canelo just listens to ME and takes MY advice he’ll have a MUCH better chance of WINNING. IF he listens to YOU he’ll LOSE by LANDSLIDE.

Posted June 7, 2013 8:35 pm 


“No mismatch…. “-YES it WAS. People made more out of it than what it was just because they saw Floyd bleed. IF they just continued to watch the Fight Floyd landed the cleaner shots and landed the MOST shots. Something that Trout couldn’t DO. Cotto landed the Biggest shots in the Fight he had against Trout. Youtube says that I am CORRECT. But he couldn’t DO it against Floyd because Floyd is MUCH BETTER than Trout. Not just a LITTLE BETTER like Canelo.

Posted June 7, 2013 8:29 pm 


….. “It only takes someone to clearly WIN 2 or 3 rounds to be considered his toughest opposition.”

What about De La Hoya??? A highly respected judge and Floyd’s own father, Floyd Mayweather Sr, thought Floyd lost that SD.

Posted June 7, 2013 8:05 pm 


Floyd can be stopped… He’s been hit real good and hurt real good… You have to be physically strong enough not to let him grab, to prevent you from following up when he’s badly hurt… Mosley said, “Floyd clinches with lightning speed. I needed to throw him off me and keep punching, but the referee got in there when I finally got a hand free… He separated us slowly so Floyd got a few more seconds to get his legs before I could swing at him again. By then he was firing back — but I saw later that he was still hurt.. Watching the fight I saw his legs were still real shaky.. He fooled me.. I should have fired back more faster. A younger fighter might get him out. Somebody like Alvarez who’s really strong and quick.”

Posted June 7, 2013 7:59 pm 


“It was the toughest opposition of Floyd’s career”-Well that’s why Floyd is the GOAT. It only takes someone to clearly WIN 2 or 3 rounds to be considered his toughest opposition.

Posted June 7, 2013 7:52 pm 


Boxtra sez…. “He had a tougher night with Canelo’s Defense but an EASIER night with his Offense, other than the knockdown of COURSE.”

No freakin’ way… Canelo ripped Trout with brilliant right uppercuts that staggered him several times, and made sweat fly up into the ring lights. Canelo was just much stronger, more elusive, and much more skilled than Trout ever bargained for.

Trout said about Saul’s skill and speed.., “I was shocked.. I was shocked.”

Posted June 7, 2013 7:45 pm 


As crazy as it SOUNDS, the way to defeat Mayweather is to not plan for the knockout like Pacquiao would have tried to DO and got the same thing that he got vs. Marquez, but the way to defeat him is to out Box him. He makes guys MISS 17% on average SO its going to be VERY difficult to mount enough Offense to put him into danger of being stopped. SO forget about all of that……You have to find a way to out pot shot him. One punch at a time. The only guy out there capable of DOING that is Guillermo Rigondeaux….though he’d probably LOSE TOO…..But Canelo is just TOO SLOW. HE MAY be smart enough to figure out WHAT to DO but he isn’t FAST enough to DO it. Floyd by Pot shotting CLINIC.

Posted June 7, 2013 7:44 pm 


No mismatch…. It was the toughest opposition of Floyd’s career…as he said himself… And forget those pitty pat punches Cotto landed on Trout.. Canelo did a lot more damage with fewer shots and floored Trout for the 1st time in his career.. There was barely a mark on Canelo while Cotto looked like he’d been through a street mugging after Trout got through pounding on him … The scores were 119-109 and 117-111 twice…

So actually Austin Trout whipped Floyd’s toughest opponent more thoroughly on the scorecards, than Floyd whipped Guerrero.. Therefore Canelo has whipped a tougher opponent than Floyd ever fought.

Posted June 7, 2013 7:38 pm 


CORRECTION….doesn’t have the TOOLS.

Posted June 7, 2013 7:37 pm 


“You’re doing arithmetic. I’m doing calculus with advanced differential equations”-I’m doing TRUTH telling and FACT stating. YOU’RE doing WISHING and HOPING. Canelo has very little chance of beating Mayweather. His Offense is LESSER than Cotto’s and he’s TOO SLOW to out Defend and Out Box Mayweather. Just doesn’t have to TOOLS.

Posted June 7, 2013 7:36 pm 


“He had a tougher night with Canelo than with Cotto, in case you didn’t watch.”-YES. He had a tougher night with Canelo’s Defense but an EASIER night with his Offense, other than the knockdown of COURSE.

Posted June 7, 2013 7:35 pm 


“Meanwhile Trout was getting ripped with impressive shots that sent sweat screaming off his noggin and into the 3rd row. He got parked him on his butt as well.”-NICE shot by Canelo. TOO bad he couldn’t put more of them TOGETHER vs. the Defender who was at least TWO times WORSE than Floyd and scored himself a knockout SO that I would actually think that he could knock out Floyd HIMSELF.

Posted June 7, 2013 7:30 pm 


“Maybe you didn’t get the news Boxtra. Trout beat Cotto by a lopsided score—but he could barely lay a damaging glove on Canelo”-That’s because Canelo is a BETTER Defensive Fighter than Cotto. But the problem IS that he is a LESSER Defensive Fighter than Floyd. SO IF he thinks that he’s going to out Defend Mayweather then he is VERY mistaken.

Posted June 7, 2013 7:25 pm 


“Right—and Pacquiao landed more punches than Marquez landed in fight IV. How relevant is that to the result?”-Marquez prepared for a MORE Offensive Fighter and capatalized ON it that’s how it was relevant. Just as Floyd will prepared for a LESS Offensive Fighter than Cotto for THIS Fight and he will have the perfect gameplan prepared. Knowing what you’re facing is called being prepared. Floyd is facing a LESSER Offensive Fighter than Cotto. Austin Trout’s face says that I am CORRECT.

Posted June 7, 2013 7:23 pm 


“Canelo fought a completely different kind of fight against Trout than Cotto did.”-Which doesn’t change the FACT that Cotto landed more punches. As a matter of FACT it helps me to make MY point. The point IS that Cotto produced more Offense vs. Trout than Canelo. Not needing to is not the point. Producing it is the point. Cotto produces MORE Offense than Canelo and that’s a BAD sign for Canelo vs. Floyd. Because Cotto’s Offense was NO match for Floyd. It was a MISMATCH.

Posted June 7, 2013 7:12 pm 


Tark the problem with you NFL analogy is that the winning team changes there defense up to where they play everything long to not let the losing team drop a bomb o them. Problem with that and I’ve said this for many years is it still allows the team to march up the field with short plays. Which to me is stupid. You where winning with the defense you used and all of a sudden you want to change it to that 2 minute defense which is really lousy defense.

Posted June 7, 2013 6:55 pm 

Tomato Can


Posted June 7, 2013 6:05 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Agreed on instant replay. they did it in Rodriguez’s fight a couple weeks ago in NJ. Initially called a TD win on cuts, they revised it to TKO because a punch obv split open the opponents face. Likewise, if a dude head butts an opponent replays will show he doesn’t deserve a TKO. There’s no reason at all why this can’t be implemented everywhere.

Posted June 7, 2013 5:53 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

“The sport does need a better system than it has though. Technology has come long way, there’s no reason Boxing shouldn’t take advantage of it.” Exactly, Tomato Can. There is NO reason why they shouldn’t be using instant replay/review for knockdowns and cuts. That would make sure that rounds are scored accurately, and that when fights have to stopped due to cuts, we know 100% for sure whether cuts were caused by a clean blow or headbutt. WE HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY. Use it!

Posted June 7, 2013 5:37 pm 


And another brainless post for you.

Posted June 7, 2013 5:36 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Oh ok Tard, just another spineless post…

Posted June 7, 2013 5:24 pm 

Tomato Can

Now, if the score cards were reversed in the Alvarez/Trout fight, the closing rounds would have been intirely different. So maybe open scoring is good if you look at that way. Open scoring will have affect fights, in one way or another.

Posted June 7, 2013 4:30 pm 

Tomato Can

Yeah, Trout couldn’t go for the kill, and Canelo knew he didn’t need to go for the kill. Like with anthing open scoring could make for a better fight depending on the circumstances. But the way I see it, unless the judges are going to be held accountable for their scoring, they might well stay away from open scoring. The sport does need a better system than it has though. Technology has come long way, there’s no reason Boxing shoudn’t take advantage of it.

Posted June 7, 2013 4:26 pm 

Fight Aficionado

LOL open scoring ruined the fight. Trout knew he was behind so the onus on him was to go balls to the wall in the late rounds to try and win. He didn’t so he lost. Why didn’t he take a gamble? Because he didn’t want to risk getting KTFO since opening up leaves you open to get tagged.

Posted June 7, 2013 4:18 pm 

Tomato Can

Tark, open scoring can be great if your the favorite, and you have the tools to go into the prevent defense when you know you’re ahead on all the cards. But it can really suck if you thought the fight was close, and but find out it wasn’t and then there’s nothing you can do about it, cause the opponent goes into the prevent. Without open scoring in a close fight, that opponent may never go into a prevent type D, therefore both fighters may go for the win, all the way to the final bell. Which is why I don’t like open scoring. But hey, to each their own…

Posted June 7, 2013 4:12 pm 


The fact is that there WAS open scoring.. One fighter took advantage of it.. One fighter didn’t have the game or skills necessary to change things up..

How many times have you watched an NFL team go into “prevent defense” mode after getting a couple touchdowns ahead — and the losing team gets angry and fired up at the tactic, and aggressively expodes for 2 or 3 late scores and the victory.

Open scoring is new to Boxing.. It’s too early to say there won’t be many times when a trailing and desperate boxer explodes for a late KO to massive cheers from the crowd.. Trout is a tall 171 pound boxer with a lot of skills, but now he knows he needs a few more.. He never really went for it with everything he had.

Posted June 7, 2013 3:47 pm 


Floyd will school this chump will be massive on the ppv sales too

Posted June 7, 2013 3:37 pm 

Tomato Can

Exactly Peej, which is a perfect example of why open scoring isn’t a good thing. That took a what seemed to be pretty close fight, and turned into a no contest. If judging was perfect, then open scoring would be okay, cause it wouldn’t matter. As it stands judging can be pretty flawed at times. a lot of times…

Posted June 7, 2013 3:36 pm 


Open scoring definitely takes the drama out of a fight. The Canelo vs Trout fight is a perfect example. Many people thought Trout won, but Canelo was able to hear the scorecards after the 4th and 8th which let him know he no longer had to be the aggressor and he went I to defensive mode for the most part. If he would of never known what the cards said he may have still been trying to stock Trout and that could of caused many opportunities for Trout.

Posted June 7, 2013 3:29 pm 


It’s an expression Ernie Enema Snoot..

Trout’s a man of great ambition… he was in a circumstance where having a great attack could have meant a Floyd fight and millions of dollars for him… therefore if he ever gets behind again in a fight where there’s open scoring, he’ll want to possess the weapons and skills to turn that situation around … Try not to let you brain explode getting a handle on this.

Posted June 7, 2013 3:13 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

The resident liar wrote: “I guarantee Austin Trout is thinking about how he can get more oomph on his punches”

Just how are you going to do that?…

Posted June 7, 2013 3:00 pm 


If someone can, I thank you ahead of time.

Posted June 7, 2013 2:42 pm 



Floyd Mayweather vs. Gregorio Vargas (Highlights) by erracticsboxing. Youtube search it.

can someone post it in the forum and compare it to his last fight.

I think its important because Floyd Sr. was working the corner both times.

It still shows a decline but strategy is the same.

Posted June 7, 2013 2:40 pm 


I love open scoring—but most fans hate it… It takes all the drama and suspense out of a fight while everybody waits for the decision with bated breath in a close fight.. The announcer reads off one score, the crowd moans… he reads off the next score, the crowd cheers… then you hear “And STILL” or “And NEW” … There’s nothing like it when those 2 revealing words hit the crowds ears.

But most fighters would like to know what the judges are doing.. Is it close? Am I ahead? Am I behind? If you’re well ahead you can focus on the jab, movement, and counterpunching.. If you’re way behind you have to attack like a fire breathing psycho—and get those rounds back—or get the stoppage if you’re too far behind … With open scoring fighters would have to develop an all-around game so they handle any contingency.

I guarantee Austin Trout is thinking about how he can get more oomph on his punches—and how he can use his size and strength to mount a more sustained and successful assault—in case this ever happens to him again. With his height, size, reach, southpaw stance and boxing skills, he probably never had to think too much about going after anybody. This could force him to develop more rounded skills. Floyd going after Mosley in the 3rd round is an example of a guy who changed it up when plan A hit the shredder. I never saw an expression on Trout’s face that said, “I got this.”

Posted June 7, 2013 2:34 pm 

Tomato Can

I doubt it, they don’t do that crap in Vegas as far as I know, anyway.

Posted June 7, 2013 1:41 pm 


we hot getting open scoring for this one?

Posted June 7, 2013 12:40 pm 

Tomato Can

IMO open scoring kind of ruined the Alvarez/Trout fight. I think the open scoring pretty much changed the tone of what I saw as an otherwise close to even fight. But even which that I can’t complain with Canelo getting the victory. He at best won the fight and at worst deserved a draw. But in this up coming fight we’ll see if natural size makes a difference and if a good big man beats a better little man. The threshold between size and skill is difficult to track. That’s what makes this fight intriguing to me.

Posted June 7, 2013 12:33 pm 


I had Trout up a point.. 114-113. I knew that wasn’t enough because he was taking so much off his punches throwing soft flurries at Canelo’s darting head.. I knew Canelo would get it.. He did do the most damage and that’s the way most pro judges decide rounds.. They don’t give you credit for activity if you’re missing so much and looking frustrated…and not landing anything really solid…and you’re obviously getting hit with the showier shots … Christapoopoo’s score was laughable though.

Posted June 7, 2013 12:26 pm 


It was a lop sided score cause the judges had there cards already filled out. I’m not big on punch stats but I thought Trout won. Canelo wasn’t fighting the whole round like Trout was

Posted June 7, 2013 12:08 pm 

Pete Wells

Again with the “Coked up antics of Oscar Dela (score me an 8 ball) Hoya”. Who gives rats ass about this has been? He was a media hyped boxer that lost the big fights & never got over the hump when put in position to fight the top guys. He’s a loser & a sore one at that!!!!!!! Floyd schooled his ass in their fight, regardless what the score cards said and this guy is still pissed abo9ut that to this day!!!!!!Oscar is so mad he’ll throw his own kids in the ring with Floyd if there is the slightest chance they might win. I’ve never seen a guy so set on trying to get another guy beat in my life. Oscar is worst then ole Bob Arum when it comes to the animosity he has against Floyd. If Floyd hasn’t changed since they fought, and then tell me Oscar, WHY HASN’T NO ONE BEEN ABLE TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO BEAT HIM????????? I mean if you see the same thing over & over again, eventually you’ll figure out a game plan to defeat that individual. Oscar should stick to wearing woman’s panties & snorting cocaine, because his boxing IQ is totally gone…… He should have listened to Rick James because cocaine is a hellava drug!!!!!!!

Posted June 7, 2013 11:43 am 


Boxtra says, “Cotto already showed that he could hit Trout more than Canelo could.” Right—and Pacquiao landed more punches than Marquez landed in fight IV. How relevant is that to the result?

Maybe you didn’t get the news Boxtra. Trout beat Cotto by a lopsided score—but he could barely lay a damaging glove on Canelo. Meanwhile Trout was getting ripped with impressive shots that sent sweat screaming off his noggin and into the 3rd row. He got parked him on his butt as well. He had a tougher night with Canelo than with Cotto, in case you didn’t watch. You’re doing arithmetic. I’m doing calculus with advanced differential equations.

Posted June 7, 2013 11:28 am 


As much as people want to make this a matchup between a novice and a master—this really matches boxer vs boxer/puncher. Trout-Alvarez was the same style matchup. That’s what makes this so fascinating. Both Floyd and Canelo have difficult styles to solve, so sheer determination plays a big part. Fans tend to go with the fighter they like and look for reasons he’s going to win. I weigh how skills, styles, strengths, weaknesses, personalities, motivational factors, team issues, and external issues will interact to produce a result. I’m cursed with an analytical mind. When housing prices were going up 20% a year most owners said, “This is tremendous.” I had to figure out why prices were going up so fast and when the bubble would burst. Not that I want to analyze every curious phenomenon. I have to. I do it 24/7.

Posted June 7, 2013 11:26 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Mexican fans seem to be the most loyal, gotta respect their patriotism…

Posted June 7, 2013 10:42 am 

Fight Scribe

Do Mexicans ever pick non-Mexicans?

Posted June 7, 2013 10:13 am 


“Cotto already showed that he could hit Trout more than Canelo could.” Not exactly. Canelo fought a completely different kind of fight against Trout than Cotto did. Plus, the Alvarez/Trout bout was open-scoring, so Canelo’s didn’t have to hit Trout as much as Cotto did in order to win the fight. The fight results prove that to be true.

Posted June 7, 2013 10:05 am 


Supreme Court `cosigned you make a lot of sense with that oscar statement my man….yezzzzir!

Posted June 7, 2013 9:55 am 

Supreme Court

But Largo…
You did not need to call Q names for his”opinion”….
Just sayin…
That’s a glimpse of your old self?

Posted June 7, 2013 8:04 am 

Supreme Court

And Q…
Name a single athlete who wants his own record to be broken…
If u ever find one, I’ll would tell you he is a fat hypocrite!
What you said about oscar’s statement is the proof that he is a not hypocrite…at least with respect to his record…

Posted June 7, 2013 8:01 am 

Supreme Court

Q, using your own rationale, one could argue you are stressing on FMJ declined in order to prepare for excuses…

Posted June 7, 2013 7:57 am 

Supreme Court

Largo is right…
If Oscar disliked Mayweather, they would not be doing business together…
Mayweather Jr is massively intelligent,; oscar is very smart. To be successfull one has to be smart. To keep succeeding, one has to be massively smart. Oscar and May have maintained a long stretch of success sport or business wise. They are very smart people!
Oscar has always showed lots of respect for May. On Public events, (conference, weigh-in) he always praises May (which flatters him); then he will release some press communiques stating May is going to lose….Hahahahah Do the math…..The man is promoting, tapping on the obsession some have to see May lose…

Oscar was knocked down by Hopkins, and what did he do immediately after?
He offered him shares of the company and vice-president position. How many people would swallow their ego to move the business ahead?
OSCAR is massively smart!
So is Bernard Hopkins!
We knew Hopkins was a genius in the ring; he took the vice-president position with GB promotion from a man he knocked down….no ego; he sticks loyally to his position, and both works synergistically, and it works!
Shane and Winky wright were also offered shares of GP, they walked away…
Golden Boy is not perfect, but they are the top company that offers meaningful fights on a regular basis.

So…..Give a break to Oscar De La Hoya!

Posted June 7, 2013 7:49 am 


Stark-SKILLS is the main factor in Boxing…..other than Stamina but stamina is supposed to be a given in Boxing. IF you don’t have stamina in Boxing then you defeat YOURSELF.

Posted June 7, 2013 3:07 am 


Canelo probably won’t even land 80 punches on Floyd IF Cotto landed 105. Cotto already showed that he could hit Trout more than Canelo could. He most likely will show that he could hit Floyd more often than Canelo can TOO.

Posted June 7, 2013 3:06 am 


“Trout is harder to score on than Floyd’s toughest opponent..”-Well TOO bad that Canelo doesn’t get to face Floyd’s toughest opponent. He’s facing Floyd. And Floyd is harder to score on than Trout. Cotto says that I am CORRECT on that……Canelo landed 124 punches on Trout while Cotto landed 183. But Cotto only landed 105 punches on Floyd. SO that tells you that Canelo won’t even land triple digits on Floyd.

Posted June 7, 2013 3:02 am 


“Canelo reached Trout, not only with hard jabs and left hooks, but straight rights, and ripping right uppercuts that did damage..”-YES he DID. But he DID it LESS frequently than Cotto DID. Which tells me that he will also hit Floyd LESS frequently than Cotto DID.

Posted June 7, 2013 2:55 am 


“Trout is a slick southpaw and very hard for shorter guys to reach with jabs.”-Well the FACT is that Cotto reached Trout with the jab with more success than Canelo DID. SO Floyd already faced a BETTER jab than Canelo’s when he faced Cotto.

Posted June 7, 2013 2:52 am 


Correctamundo – as I’ve gotten older I’ve observed that no matter how skillful & talented someone may be they need to want it & believe in themselves. Skills alone doesn’t mean you’ll succeed. Skills, passion & belief will propel you.

Posted June 7, 2013 2:44 am 


zera-Floyd’s opponents land 17% against him on average. SO that means that they land LESS than ONE punch every time they throw 5. Its highly unlikely that Canelo is going to land many combinations. He’s going to be punching alot of AIR just like Marquez, Mosley, Cotto, and Guerrero DID.

Posted June 7, 2013 2:43 am 


“he of course thinks skills alone prevail.”-NO I don’t. SO don’t speak for ME. Speak for YOURSELF. SKILLS doesn’t WIN the Fight alone but it IS the most important factor. SO please learn more about Boxing.

Posted June 7, 2013 2:38 am 


Tark – Floyd is possibly the craftiest boxer of all time. Trout has some very good qualities but the comparison isn’t justified. Floyd won’t box the way he did against cotto. Canelo has a real chance but we’ll see…..I like your handle

Posted June 7, 2013 2:37 am 


“He has to keep changing them every couple years or so because of all the painful abuse he brings upon himself.”-Nope. He keeps changing because he continues to reach the PINNACLE and needs another hill to climb. Same as when Jordan put on a Baseball Jersey but HE had to come back because he MISSED having SUCCESS. I have to keep changing because I have TOO MUCH SUCCESS for ONE man. I have to let another name get some credit TOO.

Posted June 7, 2013 2:31 am 


Trout is 171 and had never been beaten or floored.. Trout scored a decisive victory over the man Floyd calls his toughest opponent…the man who landed some impressive jabs on Floyd’s snoot.

Trout is a slick southpaw and very hard for shorter guys to reach with jabs. Nonetheless Canelo reached Trout, not only with hard jabs and left hooks, but straight rights, and ripping right uppercuts that did damage.. Trout is bigger, taller, younger, stronger, and rangier than Floyd.. Trout is harder to score on than Floyd’s toughest opponent.. So that gives you some indication that Canelo will be finding the mark more frequently than Cotto did.

Posted June 7, 2013 2:28 am 


“Yeah, Boxtra is so great he couldn’t handle all the flak and hatred that he brought on himself so he changed his name to CORRECTAMUNDO.”-GOOD guess but NO cigar…. MUCH like Jordan in 93 Boxtra retired for a while because he had become TOO DOMINANT and became bored. He became CORRECTAMUNDO because its more of a challenge to take a new name to GREATNESS rather than to remain the GREATEST of all times. Its called BOREDOM.

Posted June 7, 2013 2:25 am 


canelo can only land if he throws 6 to 8 punches in a combination assuming he misses the first 3 or 4 punches, but in order to do so, he must train for cardio, as we saw in the Trout fight, he almost gassed out. but of course that is not the only problem he has to deal with, he has to infinitely stalk down FMJ, this means cutting the ring effectively, this is also hard, FMJ will not stand and trade, FMJ has a great footwork for him to escape the corner, Canelo must also be prepared to get shot flush, Floyds going to pick him apart with counters and precise punches. CORRECTAMUNDO, i get your point, i truly do, from what we saw in FMJ’s last fight, he got his father back for defense purposes. all i can is, Canelo better get his A game, and be prepared for all situation. Specially getting frustrated in landing shots. Activity is one of the keys to beat FMJ, Cardio to back it up, and Patience to execute it. plus of course Tenacity and Consistency

Posted June 7, 2013 2:23 am 


“I’m betting he will.”-And that’s why you’re a POOR bettor. Canelo barely landed any combinations on Trout who’s Defense is LESSER than Floyd’s. SO what makes you think he can do BETTER vs. Floyd’s Defense than he DID vs. Trout’s????

Posted June 7, 2013 2:11 am 


“Most athletes who use “illegal chemicals” are”….WEAK minded individuals that try to CHEAT to WIN because they don’t think they can WIN legally…. Thats called LOW morals and LOW self esteem. In other words they don’t have enought faith in themselves SO they look for something to HELP them even IF its illegal. WEAK minded.

Posted June 7, 2013 2:06 am 


De la hoya… all hype… what do you expect from a promoter?

Posted June 7, 2013 1:57 am 


Oscar is a rabid Boxing fan.. He’s like a 10-year-old kid in a tree house.. His analysis is always the same.. Hatton will beat Floyd.. Hatton will beat Pacquiao.. Mosley will beat Floyd.. Ortiz will beat Floyd.. I don’t pay any attention because he wants each fight to be a cataclysmic matchup—but like the boy who called wolf Oscar’s got to be right sometime—because upsets happen frequently.. There an opinion out there that a vast number of people are always right as a group. This is bull assed wrong. The Germans elected Hitler, and the vast majority of bettors drove the astounding odds for Tyson-Holyfield 1. Astute individual bettors took advantage of this group hysteria to pull down a fortune. So whether the vast majority of people are predicting a Floyd win, or Oscar predicts this will be a mind blowing upset, you shouldn’t give either any weight.

Posted June 7, 2013 1:51 am 

Tomato Can

Canelo shouldn’t be slighted even if he’s younger, less experianced and not as well rounded fighter as Mayweather. He still has a lot going for him in this fight, and more than most. I think he has a shot.

Posted June 7, 2013 12:46 am 

Tomato Can

FA, lol… the thing is I thought Gamboa was juicing two years ago. Nothing was confirmed then, but it looks as though I was right. Which is why I know only some of them get caught, that’s the way it is with everything, including boxers trying to get an edge for stardom.

Posted June 7, 2013 12:43 am 

stupid loser

Canelo vs Trout says it all. De La Hoya is trying to sell ocean front property in Arizona.

Posted June 7, 2013 12:32 am 


Simply put this will be anther boxing lesson. Canelo will not be able to land flush and if he does he will be countered. Big powerful but slow also he looked out of gas in the trout fight

Posted June 7, 2013 12:26 am 


TARK: What you’ve seen is Floyd being more flat and trying more to get respect without moving TOO much. For example, he did NOT like his performance against Cotto, and went to his style against GUERRERO which was 10x more movement. Floyd is always strong.

Posted June 7, 2013 12:18 am 


Don’t worry. I’ll SCHOOL each and every one of you when I get back from the gym.

Posted June 7, 2013 12:12 am 


I dont think Canleno has the stamina to go after Floyd for 12 rounds and he’s not rangey enough to box him. I think to win he’s going to have a kill or be killed mentality…No point trailing on the scorecards late in the fight when you know thats when you get tired and the other guy comes on strong..

Posted June 6, 2013 11:57 pm 


You are correct Tark

Posted June 6, 2013 11:52 pm 


Q – i did say arguably, seen the fight 2 or 3 times and gave a few early rounds to De lay hoya just on aggression though he obvioulsly wasnt landing cleanly, there was some decent body atttack there whenever Floyd engaged him in a clinch though, did they affect Floyd,probably not, he is supremely contitioned but they were still scoring points. The rest of the fight De La Hoya’s out-put dropped and Floyd just tagged him at will…I see the same scenario playing out here

Posted June 6, 2013 11:50 pm 


Q…. What I said is Floyd looks a little stronger at 154 for Cotto than he was against Oscar… And yes.. Watch the Ortiz fight.. Floyd DID sit in the pocket at times and exchange some shots.. He was looking to get Ortiz out of thare.. The man is wide open and a mentally weak quitter.. Floyd was looking to exploit that.

And Cotto??? Floyd did get into it with him in a few exchanges.. Especially late in the 12th where he was trying to get Cotto out … I haven’t seen that from Floyd before the last couple of years.. He is stronger now.. He’s trying to lay it down.. But he’ll do more of the Guerrero strategy with this one.

Posted June 6, 2013 11:43 pm 


Yeah if his stamina is anything like it was against Trout he is in serious trouble

Posted June 6, 2013 11:39 pm 


Yes they are doing random testing. They have already addressed that

Posted June 6, 2013 11:38 pm 


Lman: Oscar won 3 rounds at best. The fix was in on that bout. Completely non competitive, jaja. If not, I’d like to know which rounds you gave Oscar.

Posted June 6, 2013 11:38 pm 

Primo Kush & Stolichnaya-Elit Vodka

Power youth and vigor over Chocolate Skin

Posted June 6, 2013 11:31 pm 


The only way Canelo has a chance is if he addresses the endurance issues. Yes he is a solid guy with good skills but the last guy to make a fight with Floyd arguably close was Oscar and he had a longer reach and ironically also suffered from late round fatigue..

Posted June 6, 2013 11:26 pm 


“Skills over Ginger Hair” bwahahahah.. wtf

Posted June 6, 2013 11:13 pm 

Tomato Can

Speaking of PEDs, are they doing random testing for this fight? Why don’t we hear anything about the random testing anymore? What gives?

Posted June 6, 2013 11:03 pm 


Tomato Can: Floyd will unveil his terrific jab (JMM), amazing body punching (Zab Judah) and brilliant feints (about everybody). If Canelo is going to want to throw 8 punches at Floyd over and over… he’s GOING to gas, barring some PED assistance. And that won’t bod well for him. FLoyd is declined and really small at 154, but his strength is very underrated.. always has been. If he doesn’t get old over night, declining even more, or letting us see it against a fast and far bigger guy… and if he doesn’t get EXTRA hindrance from simply packing on the weight… then he’ll be strong… with longer arms than Canelo… and able to get the W.

Posted June 6, 2013 10:59 pm 


TARK: I don’t care what you think of the ODH that FMJ fought Vs. this Canelo… but I’ve seen ALL of FMJ’s bouts, and he is NOTHING better at 154, nor nothing better in general at 36. Of course you’re going to be a bit stronger moving up in weight, how not? you’re putting on weight… but to say he looked stronger against Ortiz? based on what? He just countered the guy into quitting.. other than that Ortiz was obviously stronger when he bull rushed, and Floyd was NEVER exchanging with him nor just about anybody he’s fought,… wtf are you talking about? FMJ is declined in EVERY category, and he’s LONG BEEN way TOO INTELLIGENT to suddenly peak in the TWILIGHT of his career skill wise. Get out of here. And he’s always lesser at 154 to me, his hands are clearly slower and his legs are heavier, that’s not where he belongs. So call it a BETTER fighter than ODH ever was against a PAST PRIME FMJ, at a weight he doesn’t belong. That’s how you hype a fight and a win. Floyd will do this past his prime.

Posted June 6, 2013 10:53 pm 

Tomato Can

Delahoya would love to see Canelo win. That would be huge.

Posted June 6, 2013 10:52 pm 

Tomato Can

I agree with Oscar, I don’t know Mayweather will respond to Canelo, but I doubt he’ll be haning around close enough for Canelo to get many Combo’s off. He’s going to have to figure Mayweather out, to get combo’s off. He’ll probably have a hard time doing that.

Posted June 6, 2013 10:48 pm 


Oscar is of the opinion that Canelo is better than he was… He says Floyd is just as good as ever — and Canelo is going to kick his tail.

He makes a good point.

For sure Canelo moves his head better than Oscar… defends better… has a better more fluid stance… has a better straight right hand… has a better left hook to the liver… throws better and harder combinations… moves better… is less robotic… has better footwork… and throws a counter right uppercut one Hell of a lot better than Oscar … They’re about equal with the jab. Oscar threw many more but Canelo’s is more authoritative… Oscar was maybe a tad better with the left hook… Nine of eleven skills Canelo is better, and strategically he’s wiser — and he won’t peak until he’s at least 30.

I think Floyd is a little better and tougher too, even though he’s older. He attacks better and physically he’s stronger at 154, which I saw in the Cotto fight.. I thought Floyd was stronger already in the Ortiz fight.. He was outweighed by 15 pounds and exchanged some great punches in the 2nd and 3rd … That made Ortiz want to quit.. Floyd had some great exchanges with Cotto … trying to get him outta there.

Posted June 6, 2013 10:47 pm 


You don’t hype a fight by saying a fighter is the same as he was 6 years ago when you fought him, because he’s obviously not, but he still is the favorite to beat Canelo.. that’s not HYPING the fight, that’s HYPING Canelo and DOWNTALKING FMJ in case he loses. Then he says he’s not pro-FMJ nor pro-Canelo (but he’ll be in Canelo’s camp for this fight, just like with other FMJ opponents) jajaja… that lying cocaine addict cross dresser is so envious of FMJ and OBSESSED with his doom that it’s pathetic. That’s just what it FACTUALLY is. Now get mad some more Largo. Jajajaja.

Posted June 6, 2013 10:46 pm 

Tomato Can

FA, you might is well stop watching boxing, cuase the majoritiy of fighters are trying to find an edge someway. They have to just like top athletes do in every other sport to compete. I’m hardly surprised about Gamboa, and I wouldn’t be surprised if any other fighter was linked to some type of PEDS.

Posted June 6, 2013 10:45 pm 


largo: Cool your tits, you take this too seriously. You’re writing like you’re offended.. get a life. Meanwhile, Oscar obviously envies and has disdain for Floyd Mayweather Jr. and the fact that he lost to him, and the fact that FMJ doesn’t respect him, and he’s jealous of Floyd. Now continue to get upset weirdo, I’m just posting the FACTS. It’s never anything other than that with me. Get a life dude.

Posted June 6, 2013 10:42 pm 


Q, you’re beyond stupid, now you want to teach Oscar how to hype a fight because you don’t like what he’s saying. There’s a reason he’s Oscar the incredibly successful fighter & now formidable promoter; you on the other hand, are an insane boxing fan with a pathological need to write & write & write nonsense in a boxing web site…I rather believe & respect Oscar than read your non-stop drivel…

Posted June 6, 2013 10:24 pm 


This is a good fight either way you slice it. Floyd is testing his skills at Jr Middle again, he is not a real Jr Middle so this says a lot. If he loses there should be no excuses. Floyd has every advantage except for weight and combination punching. But as Floyd has already shown pot shoting and throwing one twos is good enough

Posted June 6, 2013 10:14 pm 


Q, that’s your own conclusion & opinion. I’ve seen plenty of Oscars interviews myself & my conclusion is totally opposed to yours; Oscar has a big heart & not only he does good for his fighters & business partners but also for needy people that he doesn’t even know-he doesn’t announce to the world about his philanthropic work- …To come here to speculate & talk about a person that you don’t know intimately, is a thing of cowards; you don’t know Oscar at all, Oscar is a good person with a beautiful family & you won’t find anybody close to him that will tell you otherwise…show us the links where he manifests his envy for Floyd or forever be silent…

Posted June 6, 2013 10:11 pm 


There are many REALISTIC ways to hype the fight, but he chooses to say that the 36 year old FMJ is the same specimen as the one 6 or so years ago, ONLY with the intention of hyping up Canelo if Floyd loses, as beating as sharp and physically able FMJ as there ever was (that’s ONLY to say that Canelo could have beaten FMJ those years ago).. the fact is that this 36 year old FMJ is obviously declined and NOT the same FMJ from 6 years ago. That’s nonsense. He has so many other ways to hype this fight, that make sense, he does NOT need to UP FMJ.. that’s a purposely double ended tactic and has NOTHING to do with hyping the fight, but rather hyping Canelo, and downtalking FMJ in advance. NO. If Canelo wins, it’s against a too small declining/past prime FMJ… and if Canelo LOSES, it’s against a (should have been) too small and still is past prime FMJ. Period.

Posted June 6, 2013 10:03 pm 


Yeah Canelo regularly hits guys with 6 punch combos and Floyd takes punches like that left and right? ODH is a funny guy but now that he’s come out as a guy with addiction issues he has tried to make a lot of excuses..

Posted June 6, 2013 10:02 pm 


largo: I’ve seen multiple interviews of Oscar talking about FMJ in English and Spanish, and there is envy and disdain there 100% sure. He’s always trying to minimize everything Floyd does. Then his compliments are double ended 99% of the time, and he even mentioned not wanting FMJ Vs. CA to break his record with FMJ… then saying “well, I’m still involved as the promoter so I still win.” That’s pure envy.

Posted June 6, 2013 9:52 pm 


Oscar doesn’t hate anybody, he’s a businessman that makes lots of money for him & his fighters. He & Floyd have been doing business for a long time so to talk about envy & hate is just a stretch. Stop it.

Posted June 6, 2013 9:19 pm 


Guys, take it easy, Oscar is not longer a fighter, he’s a promoter; he hypes up the fights anyway he can, that’s what promoters do…what do you want him to say, that Floyd will school Canelo? that this is a mismatch? would that sell better? relax people.

Posted June 6, 2013 9:13 pm 


“Boxtra is even GREATER than me” Yeah, Boxtra is so great he couldn’t handle all the flak and hatred that he brought on himself so he changed his name to CORRECTAMUNDO. No matter though. Same bag, different package.

Posted June 6, 2013 8:58 pm 


“ODH always speaks negatively about PBF. He has never liked Floyd and always will feel some type of way because he lost to him.” This is an interesting perspective because GBP and Mayweather Promotions often work together. But Alvarez is GBPs Golden Boy. So Oscar will say what he says.

Posted June 6, 2013 8:56 pm 


“Canelo won’t even land a 2 punch combination.” I’m betting he will. But in order to do so he has to fight Floyd like he’s riding a teeter-totter–back and forth, back and forth. Canelo can’t let Floyd lure him around the ring. On the other hand, he won’t be successful pressing him all the time. Canelo will have to create an ebb and flow rhythm. He’ll need to change up often. Attempt to keep Floyd off-balance both physically and mentally. He absolutely must not become frustrated because he can’t hit Floyd, because that frustration will lead to performances like we saw from Guerrero, Ortiz, and Marquez–embarrassing and totally ineffective. This fight will be the most complicated chess match that Alvarez has ever had. He will do well to remember, for a full 12 rounds, that he is playing one of the masters of the game.

Posted June 6, 2013 8:46 pm 


“Whoever uses illegal chemicals has more faith in the chemical than they have in THEMSELVES.” I doubt that’s true, Correctamundo. Most athletes who use “illegal chemicals” are looking for any edge they can find to be the best they can be. It’s not a matter of having more faith in a chemical than having faith in themselves, it’s just a matter of doing everything they can to win. And the reality is that no matter how much confidence an athlete may have in himself, he just may not be good enough to win what he wants to win. “Illegal chemicals” often provide that edge. That’s why the athletes take them.

Posted June 6, 2013 8:38 pm 


I think Canelo is going to be a bit more of a problem than Mayweather and his followers believe, They are already making excuses about the projected weight difference. I would have rather seen Canelo use Cotto as a speed bag prior to fighting Mayweather. Just my opinion.

Posted June 6, 2013 8:37 pm 


Canelo won’t even land a 2 punch combination. WHEN has a guy even landed a combination on Floyd???? Most jump OUT of their seats IF he even gets hit with ONE solid shot. Canelo didn’t even land many combinations on Trout whose Defense is at LEAST TWO times WORSE than Floyd’s.

Posted June 6, 2013 8:11 pm 


Whoever uses illegal chemicals has more faith in the chemical than they have in THEMSELVES. That’s why when most of the guys who use illegal stuff come OFF it they fall OFF the map. They’re SO mentally WEAK that once the chemical is removed they have NO more faith in themselves….. That’s why A Rod went into a SEVERE slump in Baseball…..Sosa and Mcguire became SO BAD that they had to RETIRE.

Posted June 6, 2013 8:07 pm 

Done Deal

ODH always speaks negatively about PBF. He has never liked Floyd and always will feel some type of way because he lost to him. Floyd is a good bit better now than he was vs. Oscar for starters. he does not make the same mistakes twice which is why he has not lost. ODH is so full of crap if he thinks Canelo is going to land even 3 punch combos on FLoyd more less 6 punch combos. ODH must be on drugs again or he is just trying to market the fight as being closer than critics think. Either way he is way off the mark with his observation.

Posted June 6, 2013 8:06 pm 

Exiled Yank

I have bad news for the Golden Boy, after 2 maybe 3 rounds, Canelo won’t be throwing 6 punch combos. If he throws that many punches, he leaves himself open for counters, and FM is too accurate to have that many opportunities. DH really needs to shut his pathetic mouth, if sounds like a whiny teenage girl.

Posted June 6, 2013 8:02 pm 


Nope. ROIDS + SKILL = Mentally WEAK.

Posted June 6, 2013 8:01 pm 


NO ONE is CORRECT every time but I’m CORRECT ALOT….and Boxtra is even GREATER than me. He takes no one in the ENTIRE Sport of Boxing over Floyd. Not even Klitschko.

Posted June 6, 2013 7:58 pm 


In fact, your slightly LESS skill can be enough with your roids giving you that extra PHYSICAL boost. It’s illogical to say otherwise. It’s what makes FMJ Vs. Canelo interesting… Canelo’s physical advantages.

Posted June 6, 2013 7:54 pm 


I see Good-I doubt that Boxtra would take Canelo. You may need to take a class where they teach you how to tell one man from another.

Posted June 6, 2013 7:53 pm 



Posted June 6, 2013 7:52 pm 


I see Good: Better have the cards stacked in your favor based on pure skill levels, than have them stacked in your favor for your weight. Yes the #1 P4P fighters usually have the decks “stacked in their favor” …but look at it however you want. They will have to fight, and you won’t be back to praise FMJ if he pulls off what you’re acting as though he won’t… and stop praising box… I know for a fact he’s been wrong… he once fought me tooth and nail about a prediction and was incorrect. I’m not saying that Canelo CAN NOT win here.. but I’m telling you to stop cheerleading.

Posted June 6, 2013 7:52 pm 


ROIDS are LESSER than SKILLS. That’s why Hulk Hogan didn’t become a Heavyweight Boxer where he could have banked millions OFF his Hulkamaniacs. Instead he stuck to the WWF where they could choreograph his victories while THEY banked most of the revenue.

Posted June 6, 2013 7:50 pm 



Posted June 6, 2013 7:48 pm 

Fight Aficionado

As longtime posters at ESB may recall, I’ve been a Gamboa supporter since day 1. But Gamboa was linked to Biogenesis just like all these MLB players. He’s fighting Saturday but I’m not a Gamboa supporter anymore. Obv roids rager.

Posted June 6, 2013 7:42 pm 


Canelo’s Defensive SKILLS at 22 is BETTER than Oscar’s, Tito’s, and Vargas’s Defense ever was in their entire LIVES. He’s smarter in the Ring TOO.

Posted June 6, 2013 7:39 pm 

Fight Aficionado

“Lol just imagine Canelo in the same ring with Tito or Vargas Ike Quartay or Oscar ….” – Hook, it’s quite an indictment of the current talent compared to then. All those guys were active at the same time and actually fighting each other.

Posted June 6, 2013 7:22 pm 

Fight Aficionado

There’s a ton of reports about MLB wanting to suspend all these players linked to Biogenesis. Yuriorkis Gamboa fights Saturday even though he was also named as a client of this ‘anti-aging’ clinic. Hardly any boxing reports on why are these MLB players face sanction yet Gamboa faces nothing at all. Instead he’s likely juiced to the gills and about to get paid.

Posted June 6, 2013 7:20 pm 


Trout was getting the SWEAT knocked OFF his head vs. Cotto. Cotto could only damage Floyd with Jabs….As a matter of FACT Cotto may be a Superior Offensive Fighter to Canelo. He landed 58 more power punches on Trout than Canelo DID.

Posted June 6, 2013 7:14 pm 


Floyd is smart to take this fight now when Alvarez hasn’t got more fights under his belt.

Alvarez is improving with each fight showing more body movement and good developing defensive skills.

I doubt he will be able to land big combos on Mayweather. Floyd never gets caught with a barrage of shots. If he gets cracked he takes it well.

The power that Alvarez has is what makes this fight interesting.
I’m not experienced enough a fan to judge whether Alvarez is a better fighter than prime Cotto so I don’t know how this fight is going to go.

With his dad in his corner Floyd’s going to be very tricky and Alvarez did have some trouble with Trout. He couldn’t land when he wanted to.
I like Alvarez but he fights in spurts. Not sure if that is his limited endurance in a longer fight but I guess he’d punch himself out with those big powershots all day.

Posted June 6, 2013 7:08 pm 


Floyd’s Defense is at least TWICE as good as Trout’s. Cotto landed 154 Power punches on Trout but he could only manage to land 75 against Floyd. Canelo couldn’t knock a guy out whose Defense was TWO times WORSE than Floyd’s. SO he won’t knock Floyd out either. His only hope is to out Box him but he’s TOO SLOW to DO that. EASY Fight to predict and profit from. Bet everything that you can get your hands on ON Floyd.

Posted June 6, 2013 6:54 pm 


One benefit of the Trout fight for Canelo is that it prepared him for Mayweather more than any of his previous opponents. Trout was fast, sneaky, clever and pot-shotting, but Canelo fought what I thought was a perfect fight. he was disciplined, kept distance, and used head movement to demoralize Trout. Not saying Trout is as good as Floyd, but it was good preparation, and Trout is a really tough fighter to beat.

Posted June 6, 2013 6:50 pm 


Floyd seems to have a 6th sense that tells him when and where the punches are coming from. Canelo seems to have it TOO but he’s just TOO SLOW for Floyd. Simple as that. Floyd by Pot shotting UD.

Posted June 6, 2013 6:44 pm 


Maybe Killing Moon ? Though Ike would have busted up Canelo so bad specially with that jab Canelo wouldve had no option but to RUN RUN and RUN ….

Posted June 6, 2013 6:30 pm 

Killing Moon The Soothsayer

Hookoffthejab- I’m pretty sure they would have robbed Quartey…They usually did.

Posted June 6, 2013 6:06 pm 


If it aint broke, dont fix it

Posted June 6, 2013 5:57 pm 

The Low Blow !

I predicated that Junior would embarrass the ghost come fight time,and he did just that ! Junior is going to come out for this fight with Alvarez and really put on a show Canelo will have nowhere to HIDE .

Posted June 6, 2013 5:52 pm 


Lol just imagine Canelo in the same ring with Tito or Vargas Ike Quartay or Oscar ….

Posted June 6, 2013 5:46 pm 

Fight Aficionado

“LOL no way Canelo is better than De la hoya prime…” – Correct. People forget how fast Oscar was in his prime. He was also a big welterweight, something we haven’t seen since the days of Oscar, Trinidad and Forrest who were all 5-11 to 6 feet even. Canelo will have to do a helluva lot to warrant comparison. Beating Floyd would be a start.

Posted June 6, 2013 5:40 pm 


Mayweather will give Alvarez a boxing lesson. I watched the Trout Canelo bout again , and Canelo was reaching in with a lot of his punches. he was also off balance for much of the bout. he is not ready for Floyd IMO.

Posted June 6, 2013 4:56 pm 

Killing Moon The Soothsayer

Tark …I think you’re annoying and knows squat about boxing and if there was an ignore button …I would use it on you…Hence not really interested in debating with you…Sorry…Too many stupid comments in the past….This one not included…But too little , too late….Plz respect that.

Posted June 6, 2013 4:42 pm 

Killing Moon The Soothsayer

Anon: You donk…Ofcorse it was a robbery just look at the scorecards …118 – 109 116 – 111 vs a guy who outlands and makes the fight….BTW think both Trout and Canelo have been great for boxing so far…But that does not change my opinion on the fight…

Posted June 6, 2013 4:17 pm 


Lol us Mexicans will be on Cloud 9 if and when Canelo KO’s Floyd. We got Pacquiao down already, courtesy of JMM. Then this.

Boxing’s top dogs, beaten by mexiCANS.

Bebé de energía mexicana!

Posted June 6, 2013 4:13 pm 


Nobody is talking about Canelo destroying or dominating Trout. But between the 2, Canelo looked more impressive. Can Canelo take on a legit super welterweight? That was the question before the fight. Trout beat Cotto but failed to impress with Canelo.

Posted June 6, 2013 4:06 pm 


This fight WILL be EASY for Floyd Mayweather!!

Posted June 6, 2013 4:04 pm 


Floyd WILL be even SHARPER and STRONGER when he faces Canelo. Floyd Sr. KNOWS what to do to get Floyd Jr READY, him working with his SON will make a BIG difference. Oscar MADE the mistake of not HIRING Floyd Sr. when he fought Lil Floyd, instead HRING Freddie Roach. Look how things turned out for him (cause he hired Roach) for the Pacquiao fight?

Posted June 6, 2013 4:02 pm 


Killingmoon- you went from winning by one round to a robbery. So you concede that it was close giving Canelo a 50/50 chance of winning but somehow ended in a robbery/stolen? Your emotions are all over the place. So keep on believing in the elusive unicorn, whatever makes u go on living.

Posted June 6, 2013 3:59 pm 


Canelo didn’t destroy trout but he’s if win, remember shadow boxing doesn’t count inside the ring, in this fight Floyd is a masterpiece in the ring with someone that closes distance very well it should be interesting idk I’m calling it about 55- 45 in Floyd favor.

Posted June 6, 2013 3:54 pm 


Floyd’s a better fighter when his Father is around. It doesn’t matter if he is in the corner or not; as long as his Father is around and speaking, Floyd is better. This goes back to when he fought Chico and Floyd had his ear leaning out of the ring to hear his Father yell out advice. Sr. even called what round Chico would get tired and when Jr. should jump on him.

Sr. was around when he fought JMM as well. That was before the big blow-up. How did Jr. look? Great.

Floyd throws the Jab more, moves more, and uses a better game-plan when Sr. is around.

Point: If Sr. was training Floyd at the time he fought certain fighters, like Oscar, it wouldn’t have been as close as it was.

Posted June 6, 2013 3:49 pm 

Killing Moon The Soothsayer

But that fact does not change that I had trout winning the fight…If others saw it dif…Oh well..Done is done…They stole it and people cheer.

Posted June 6, 2013 3:32 pm 

Killing Moon The Soothsayer

A round he dominated completely thus a 10 – 9 round and not a 10 – 8 round for canelo….But why am I even telling you anom ….you clearly is full of it.

Posted June 6, 2013 3:29 pm 


Killing moon- thats nice and all but you forgot they deduct a point when u get knocked down. There is your 1 round mistake theory put to rest. CANELO won.

Posted June 6, 2013 3:22 pm 


This fight will go 12. Floyd is the best boxer in the world, but I don’t see him as the best p4p that was yrs ago. He’s beatable just hasn’t taken on the Sergio’s of the world. Props to Floyd for growing some balls because tho Canelo not as experienced he just finished beating a top 154lber who’s a nightmare for anyone including Floyd. A green, inexperienced fighter cannot beat a fighter of Trout’s caliber, only an elite. Canelo is elite. Floyd is elite. This fight I predict will be a draw or down to a razor thin decision. Canelo isn’t prone to mistakes as before and made some defensive moves that made Trout miss over and over and make Floyd proud. Finally Floyd fighting someone worth a damn.

Posted June 6, 2013 3:11 pm 


Just because a fighter gets knocked down in a fight does not make him an automatic loser. That’s why there are 12 rounds and each round is scored.

Posted June 6, 2013 3:06 pm 

Killing Moon The Soothsayer

Compubox – stats

Alvarez 124 – 431 jabs 28 -207 power 96 – 224

Trout 154 – 769 jabs 59 – 416 power 95 – 353

And I scored it live watched it later still have Trout winning with a round.

Posted June 6, 2013 3:03 pm 


Tark- I agree bro. Everybody thinks Saul Canelo will balloon up to 180, ridiculous. Like coming in heavy is to his benefit? Go figure. I think Canelo will stay within 160s as you said.

Posted June 6, 2013 3:01 pm 


Alvarez needed to be big and powerful for the tall 171-pound Trout, who said openly, before the fight, that he was going to test Saul’s “man strength.” … The Kid came into the ring at 172 and twarted Trout’s plans.. Plans B.. C.. and D didn’t go anywhere either and you could see the discouraged look on Trout’s face..

I predict Saul will be a lot lighter and faster for Floyd. He’ll definitely be in the 160’s … with blazing fast hand, foot, and head speed. He’s going to crack a few of those Cotto jabs right in Floyd’s face.. In fact, he’ll try to give Floyd plenty of “face time” jabs, straight rights, uppercuts, left and right hooks and an occasional savage liver shot … OOOPH!!!

Anyone thinking this will be easy for Floyd, just didn’t see Trout’s fights with Cotto and Alvarez … and Floyd’s fight with Cotto.

Posted June 6, 2013 2:56 pm 


Canelo is “uping” his game..haha. dumb fool. He is taking on the best P4P fighter. Stop with this Trout bs that he won. Trout got wobbled, did the bambi chicken dance and hit the canvas. Canelo slipped Trouts punches, so how in the heck do yall see Trout winning?

Posted June 6, 2013 2:53 pm 


You don’t change what has constantly worked. But Floyd also adapts in the ring.

Posted June 6, 2013 2:53 pm 

Killing Moon The Soothsayer

LOL no way Canelo is better than De la hoya prime…Truth is De la hoya was on the slide and Mayweather won by a very small margin(He still won though)…Personally I had Trout winning over canelo with 1 round…And Canelo really needs to up his game for this fight….He won’t be awarded the w in this one by awoiding a few punches…He needs to initiate the action and pressure Mayweather…If he doesn’t may will win easy on points.

Posted June 6, 2013 2:47 pm 

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