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How does any body get credentials when the K Bros have ruled for 10 years and beat the 35 top challengers between them??? One of these kids will have to upset the apple cart before they can get a World Championship credential.. As it is they beat 9 or 10 World Champions but there have been no outstanding American Heavyweights.. The Americans coming up right now look real good but the K Bros are obviously getting to that age where they’re thinking about retirement.. I think that’s what some of these guys like Wilder are waiting for.

Posted June 7, 2013 1:12 pm 


Who did klitchko duck ? Floyed didn’t give me the fights I wanted to see who were “world class” and klitchkos opponent are world class but unfortunaly there arent any interplanetary class boxers like the klitchkos are:-) lol

Posted June 5, 2013 5:38 pm 


Of course you don’t, Floyd fights guys with credentials and the Klits fight guys who are not considered World Class but you cannot make the distinction.. What’s new about that?

Posted June 5, 2013 8:48 am 


Sredmond , I respect your oppinion but I totale disagree with your views about the klitchko respectfully :-)

Posted June 4, 2013 11:16 pm 


Adrian, Holmes dominated on his own without a brother to play tag with when you lose… Byrd, Purrity, Sanders,…Wlads the Top Heavy of this era and the rest of us know it but the doldrums the HW division is in cannot be overstated its TERRIBLE.. Now it looks like known coward Povetkin is balking on Drig testing terms possibly opening up the door to another tragic defense against an Old Man, sparring partner or retread…

Posted June 4, 2013 5:46 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Guys on Twitter are saying Matthysse vs Garcia will be at Staples Center in LA on Sept 7. Anyone know if this is true? There’s no official announcement on a date or venue let alone city. If it’s LA I’m flying down for the card…

Posted June 4, 2013 3:49 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Ali had some unique skills in the ring and some memorable bouts(unlike the current crop of garbage) but he put butts in the buckets the world over. He raised the bar for professional athletes in general as far as salaries are concerned. The term “superstar” was first used for him. He was the most recognized face the world over for many many years. He brought a lot of attention to the sport. Boxing could use a few more like him currently, the state of the sport is in decline with such a boring heavyweight division

Posted June 4, 2013 11:43 am 

spartacus 65

That’s because most people are blinded by the myth and his larger than life charisma. Much is made of the Cleveland Williams fight. That is often touted as Ali at his physical best. While impressive in terms of his obvious superior overall athletic ability at that time, there is one gkaring omission.,Cleveland big cat williams was a SHADOW of his former self. He had been badly wounded in an altercation with a police officer who shot the man in not sure how many times but the injuries were life threatening and he never recovered full,from that. Physically he had lost quite a bit of his fistic potency.,Alis people knew that and Ali himself said he was aware of it. So instead of a prolonged beating he finished it quickly. I looj at the fights where he wasn’t so spectacular and that tells for me at least the story of where his REAL ability was not as advertised. Doug jones. Ken norton. All three I gave to Kenny. Jimmy young. Well schooled quick fisted opponents with a jab made him look a lot more human. Good fighter but certainly not as he is made out to be. Some very questionable decisions. Still he was a man in the ring who stood his ground against some darn good fighters. I give him his due. He just was not this invincible hercules that he is made out to be.

Posted June 4, 2013 6:24 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Wow… I can’t believe I’m actually hearing this from you guys. I’m also one of those who believes that Holmes is very underrated and Ali is overrated. I easily place Larry ahead of him on the ATG HW list. Just because Ali went through his career calling himself the “Greatest of All Time,” doesn’t mean that he really was. I’m sorry. When I watch old film of Ali, I am surprised at how poor his defensive skills were and how easy he was to hit. Overall, great fighter though.

Posted June 4, 2013 6:01 am 


O yes Larry Holms is in my view is one the most talented heavies ever and yes is a shame he was never celebrated as such and it got to do nothing with the “weak era” thing actually it was “weak” because he dominated just as klitchkos dominate today!

Posted June 4, 2013 5:26 am 

spartacus 65

Yes indeed, sanctioned or not his is a remarkable record. I admire the fact that he also did so well after boxing. Another heavy weight that I have the utmost respect for is Larry Holmes. Very underrated. Only now is he beginning to get his due. The man was in my view a much better TECHNICAL fighter than Ali and was just as talented as his former sparring partner. A superb ring craftsman who also like Tunney before him labored under the shadow of his predecessor. Also like Tunney he has done extremely well outside the ring. Tje man practically OWNS half of Easton Pennsylvania. Lol.

Posted June 4, 2013 5:18 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

True that, spartacus 65. A real shame that GT almost never gets proper respect and credit for his great accomplishments in boxing. Supposedly, his real pro record was more like 80-1, but don’t think he gets credit for some of those wins because they weren’t “officially sanctioned” or something. Another interesting fact is that he retired undefeated at HW. He also beat the only man he ever lost to (Harry Greb). How many of the ATGs can say that? Marciano and Lewis??

Posted June 4, 2013 4:47 am 

spartacus 65

Spot on gentlemen. Tunney was a man who didn’t get the accolades in my view that he should’ve. Tough as nails, excellent conditioning and yes, a precursor to Alis style. In business sharp as a tack. Dempsey was a bit of a glamour boy and his style made for exciting fights. Tunney was more reserved and he was also a very learned man. It is offputting that he is mentioned more often than not as a sideman to dempsey in regards to the much regurgitated long count. Tunney was so much more than that.

Posted June 4, 2013 4:31 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Good point, Adrian. I knew he was in the Marines during WWI, but didn’t know anything about his upbrining. I did read at one time that he married a socialite from a very wealthy family, and started a few different corporations after boxing. Supposedly, he made millions of his own money in business and real estate and retired a very rich man. The man was highly intelligent and you could just see it in his cerebral, chess-like style of fighting. I would compare it to a Klitschko type approach to boxing.

Posted June 4, 2013 4:18 am 


Squared .i think it had to do with a fact that he didnt come from a poor family ,a rare case back in the day…

Posted June 4, 2013 3:42 am 


Yes Tunney smart in the ring and outside of the ring …

Btw he was one if Ali ‘s favorite boxers who he looked up to..

Yeah the third fight it was brutal just brutal for graziano

Posted June 4, 2013 3:41 am 

spartacus 65

Tunney, was a very very good craftsman. Also retired at the right time. Didn’t hang on and ruin his health or legacy. Turned out to be a good businessman after boxing. Yes, graziano did look as if he was shot by a magnum when Zale was done with him.

Posted June 4, 2013 3:32 am 


Zale was very good allaround and rocky was tough as nails even though in that last fight they had zale almost killed him.

Now those who like to see a boxer master of his time and a founder of modern boxing style and school my favorite boxer of all time genne Tunney will enjoy watching him and learn some history !

Posted June 4, 2013 2:58 am 

spartacus 65

That is correct. A pretty good movie by the way. Graziano was a tough customer but he caught the man of steel after he had lost four years of his career to the war. Zale was I believe at the time thirty three years old when he squared off against Graziano. What a series of fights they were.peace and strength.

Posted June 4, 2013 2:44 am 


Toney Zale played himself in “Somebody up there likes Me” starring Paul Newman as Rocky Graziano.. But Canelo would have blitzed him in 2.. Just a better defender, faster, and a harder puncher.

Posted June 4, 2013 2:12 am 

spartacus 65

This is going back a ways but if you gentlemen want to see premiere body punching then TONY ZALE the man of STEEL ,.he was called,is the man to see. His wars with Rocky Graziano were VICIOUS to state it mildly. But what a warrior that polish wrecking ball was. Then I would also recommend Carlos Zarate. Body punching was a thing of art when he stepped into the ring.

Posted June 4, 2013 12:45 am 


@Spartacus great post “Q, what’s up. Oscar was a good fighter. Never said he wasn’t. But the constant change in trainers was to a degree a detriment. You read way too much into my brief statement in regards to Oscar. Second I maintain what I said about Mayweathers defense. Third my friend Why shouldn’t I comment? It’s a free country the good old USA. You’re a fan of Floyd Mayweather and that’s cool. Still myself and the other contributers to this forum have a HEALTHY right to disagree on a topic and to give our respective takes on those topics. We don’t go dissecting the other fellas views with the intent to brow beat them. Brother it’s all
One fan of the squared circle sharing NON AGGRESSIVE views with another. Peace and strength.”

Posted June 4, 2013 12:27 am 


I meant Canelo should attack every round in the last minute to steal rounds and go with hard shots to try and hurt mayweather

Posted June 4, 2013 12:22 am 


Canelo’s best strategy by my oppinion should be not to go after mayweather for the 2 minutes of every round he should conserve energy and make mayweather come after him that way mayweathef want be successful because he will be very cousious not to get hit by Canelo and than Canelo should always in every rounds try to steal rounds by going in with a lot of combination even if he won’t be sucssesful to hit mayweather he will leave impression to the judges that he is wining the round. I think this is the wining formula for Canelo !

Posted June 4, 2013 12:19 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

And this of course is why Mayflower will spend the evening on his bicycle, refusing to stand in the pocket and exchange with the kid, pot-shotting like a drive-by-shooter in the night. However, it’s going to be harder for him him to hit Canelo compared to most of his previous opponents. A lot of you guys thought Trout was going to be too slick and would outbox CA with his speed, picking him apart. But most were surprised to see CA evading most of his shots with his improved head movement and defense. I was very impressed with his D.

Posted June 3, 2013 11:30 pm 


a tip for canelo to win

1.punch in bunches, throw 6-7 punches
2. train hard for cardio, he needs it for cutting the ring, chasing mayweather, and throwing 6-7 punches
3. improve footwork, also for cutting the ring

for mayweather

1. prepare for a brawl, canelo has youth and ferocity it is a handful
2. footwork too, to be not caught in the pocket
3. he knows everything else

a close and competitive fight, FMJ for close SPLIT DECISION

Posted June 3, 2013 11:23 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

I’ve said this before and I’m gonna keep saying it. Although Floyd has great defense, he is NOT untouchable. If Canelo is able to touch him with the same type of shots that Cotto did, Floyd is gonna take a seat on the canvas — or possibly even a short nap. Although Canelo doesn’t have a super-high KO ratio, his stats are very misleading. He has really impressive power and puts guys on their asses all the time. The chances of Floyd actually hurting or stopping Canelo are slim-to-none in my estimation. Real talk.

Posted June 3, 2013 11:12 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Can it Tard and post you non-existent wager ticket you don’t have…

Posted June 3, 2013 10:52 pm 


Floyd didn’t even make prune juice out of Guerrero… A guy who spent most of his time at featherweight, and eats punches like they’re potato chips and cotton candy.. Floyd basically took a fight off between Cotto and Canelo.. He got paid for a 12-round sparring session with a guy who couldn’t lay a threatening glove on him … Now it “RISK ON” again.. This is a serious fight, not a way for 2 guys to con the public so they can make millions of dollars each.

Posted June 3, 2013 10:07 pm 


Pubic hair/nobodies enemy- pacman got knocked out by. Nobody in his young years. In fact how old was canelo 18? 19? 20? When he fought young cotto and beat his ass? Have you been watching canelo? I can’t remember atching any fighter exponentially improve EVERY fight like canelo. Canelo is lightning fast dummy. The trout fight showed that. So many people on the threadsselling canelo short but NOONE in theprofessional world is. Rafael, vivek, oscar, nacho, morales all calling like it is. And this list will get biggeras time goes on and we get closer and more people start factoring in the x factor which is, how is canelo gonna improve next time out given he has just looked better every fight like no other. Canelo has a very bright future. He will be a cashcow

Posted June 3, 2013 9:58 pm 

Carl the Carrot

Pubic Enema: Or you may see a chocolate milk shake named the Floydy

Posted June 3, 2013 9:09 pm 

Public Enemy

Mayweather is going to make Carrot Juice out of the Mexican Carrot Top..

Posted June 3, 2013 8:26 pm 

Fight Aficionado

“Matthysse will beat Garcia like he has everyone else he’s faced.” – Cosign. In the real world he’s 35-0, 31 KO.

Posted June 3, 2013 6:50 pm 

Fight Aficionado

No prediction on Matthysse-Garcia eh Vivek? I’ll do it: Lucas by KTFO, again. Amino 4500 power! LOL.

Posted June 3, 2013 6:47 pm 


I fell alsleep watching Ward

Posted June 3, 2013 6:23 pm 


Sorry guys I just don’t see Canelo doing more than Cotto. Mayweather, will not be so easy to hit in the Canelo fight as he was in the Cotto fight. And all this talk about Canelo being the bigger man is great, but do you guys realize Canelo has not yet fought a fighter with a ring IQ like Mayweather? Who moves and does not stand still? When has Canelo fought a fighter with quick hands and as his sparring partners put it “freakish strength”? This is another boxing class we will all experience, Mayweather is the professor!

Posted June 3, 2013 5:23 pm 


@Q…, “Floyd rarely gets hit with right hands.”

He hasn’t faced Canelo’s right… He will get tagged with it because Saul has a real good one.. Canelo is no Ricky Hatton.. Does anyone think Hatton could floor a slick 6-foot 171lb southpaw like Austin Trout with a straight right from 5 feet away?? Trout is quick. He’s not your basic slow-assed blown up punching bag, who never met an incoming punch he didn’t like, such as Robert Guerrero.

Posted June 3, 2013 5:20 pm 

spartacus 65

Q, do this. When you get a chance ,check out some of Floyds previous bouts. Look at them carefully and take a good look at his body positioning and the openings he leaves that these young guys are too GREEN to exploit. Take some time champ. I see them. Most of the martial arts fellas I spar with DEFINITELY see them. Now let’s change the record. Give me your take on a Marquez /Bradley showdown. Peace and strength.

Posted June 3, 2013 5:15 pm 


spartacus 65: I understand, but…. come one… what can’t FMJ do defensively for you to say things like “with his head”? I’d like that explained… what does FMJ NOT do defensively?

Posted June 3, 2013 5:04 pm 

spartacus 65

Q, what’s up. Oscar was a good fighter. Never said he wasn’t. But the constant change in trainers was to a degree a detriment. You read way too much into my brief statement in regards to Oscar. Second I maintain what I said about Mayweathers defense. Third my friend Why shouldn’t I comment? It’s a free country the good old USA. You’re a fan of Floyd Mayweather and that’s cool. Still myself and the other contributers to this forum have a HEALTHY right to disagree on a topic and to give our respective takes on those topics. We don’t go dissecting the other fellas views with the intent to brow beat them. Brother it’s all
One fan of the squared circle sharing NON AGGRESSIVE views with another. Peace and strength.

Posted June 3, 2013 4:52 pm 

spartacus 65

Nice perception Pete on the Garcia and Mattehysse upcoming bout. POWER is the EQUALIZER.

Posted June 3, 2013 4:35 pm 

Pete R.

Garcia vs. Matthyssee fight is an interesting matchup. Both are bangers but both can be hit. IMO the key to this one is who can take the better punch. I believe that Matthyssee has been hit by harder punchers and will be able to endure Garcia’s best shots. However, Garcia has been downed by some opponents that did not pack the same power as Matthyssee. Based on that perspective, Danny may lose his “0”.

Posted June 3, 2013 4:22 pm 


TARK: Trout took less “horrific jabs” because A. Floyd fought like he didn’t belong at the weight B. Floyd fought like the layoff effected him C. Trout is longer than FMJ and a big guy. Floyd’s offense against Cotto was better than Trouts, but Floyd caught some good jabs. Speaking of ODH, he had a good jab and a tremendous left hook. Everyone doesn’t have a great right hand, Floyd rarely gets hit with right hands. He got caught in exchange with Mosley with a SSM brand right (that has a strange trajectory) but Canelo is going to try to time Floyd? With a really straight “normal” right hand? Let’s stop the games, his size is his ticket.. if Floyd looks old.

Posted June 3, 2013 4:14 pm 


Ray: You say you don’t think “it will be that easy” while saying people think Canelo’s size will be his MAIN asset, and I mean, what other advantage does he actually have? It’s not to say that he has NOTHING ELSE, it’s not like that at all, obviously he has something else to offer. but without that size…. if he were the same size as FMJ, how much less of a chance would you give him?

Posted June 3, 2013 4:08 pm 


Pete: “what some say is exhaustion is actually the practice of energy conservation which is followed by maximum power output; his devastating assaults.” no, he was exhausted against Trout, and yes he was able to throw big shots because he was waiting JUST to throw them, that’s how it is for any fighter how does that.. but he was tired and also going 100% defensive in large spurts for being ahead on cards and everyone knowing it due to open scoring. He’s a good fighter though. Canelo isn’t a bad fighter, but let’s not pretend he’d have a chance if he were the same size as Floyd (without Floyd even being in his prime.)

Posted June 3, 2013 4:04 pm 


spartacus: Floyd’s a good defender with his head? You’re telling me that his legs aren’t legendary? Yes, his eyes, his reaction, his movement. “It wont be just weight alone.” Of course not, He’s not big enough (Canelo) for it to be 100% weight alone, but it raises his chances about 25%… from his no chance if he was near Floyd’s size. Hatton was also a great body puncher and pressure fighter, if he was a natural 154 pounder that weighed in at 172 in bouts, he’d ALSO have been a BIG TOUGH FIGHT for a 36 year old FMJ moving up, jaja… moreso than Canelo. Floyd isn’t a one dimensional defender. I don’t know why you kept commenting.

Posted June 3, 2013 3:59 pm 


spartacus 65: I don’t agree. You’re acting as if he had a lackluster career or something. He was P4P in a couple of occasions he fought other P4Pers. He’s a six division champion. And his biggest career win was against Fernando Vargas at 154 under the training of Floyd Mayweather Sr. (changed coach). He also arguably in some minds beat SSM in the rematch (also with FM Sr. at 154).

Posted June 3, 2013 3:54 pm 


TARK: I’ll respond to you in a second. Nice post.

Posted June 3, 2013 3:41 pm 

spartacus 65

Tark interesting point on forest and shane. Your observation on Oscar is dead on. Tbe constant switching of trainers also didnt help his cause.

Posted June 3, 2013 3:40 pm 


Floyd also was able to hurt Cotto more than Trout. by the way.

Posted June 3, 2013 3:38 pm 

spartacus 65

Correct Ray. It wont be just weight alone. That’s for sure. If that was the case then Margarito would’ve Destroyed Pacquiao. Just saying. Let me say this, Im GLAD canelo says it’s all about the body. Kill the body the head WILL die. Patience and an educated body attack,not just swinging for the sake of swinging is Key. Mexican fighters are legendary for their EDUCATED and debilitating body punching. Julio Chavez senior THRIVED off of that. Didn’t matter the defensive stance of his opponent. He ALWAYS foy.d a way to snake his shots around their ekbows,arms etc… To do serious damage. As I said Mayweather is a good defender with hishead. His eyes are his biggest asset. But I will reiterate, a dedicated and educated body puncher makes a BIG difference.

Posted June 3, 2013 3:37 pm 


Canelo vs floyd is gonna be a BEAST of a fight

Posted June 3, 2013 3:28 pm 

spartacus 65

Also Pete some pretty interesting observations. Plus you dont make it personal. Very good champ. Like to hear your take on Lucas Matthysse and Danny Garcia. Peace.

Posted June 3, 2013 3:25 pm 


This is the best fighter Floyd has faced to date…

As a pure boxer, Forrest was far better than Mosley. And Mosley was better than DLH.. Oscar was wide open.. DLH was easier to hit than Canelo and Oscar could never EVER drill a long range right hand like the one Canelo decked Trout with. A slick boxer like Trout would see Oscar’s slow right hands coming from Tuesday.

Part of Oscar’s problem was his stance was messed up. No trainer could correct it, partly because Oscar was a natural southpaw fighting right handed.. His straight right lacked crackling firepower. Floyd Sr said Ricky Hatton was actually smarter and a faster learner than Oscar – but that Oscar would keep trying to get it right forever while Hatton wanted instant results.

Partisans like Sredmond will say Canelo is slow, can’t move, lead feet, wide open target … Ask Austin Trout about all that. Because Trout fought Cotto as well as Floyd did, without taking such horrific jabs in the snoot … We know Floyd can be jabbed. We know he can be nailed with big loaded rights such as Mosley flung at him.

Posted June 3, 2013 3:24 pm 


Spartacus- I hear you. Yea I agree too. A lot people think his weight will alone get him a victory or that because hes so young he has no shot. Preparation as u pointed out is key which I agree too. I dont think it will be that easy.

Posted June 3, 2013 3:23 pm 

spartacus 65

Hey Pete R. , NICE POINT my friend you made about pay per view and showtime. I always said showtime is in it to MAKE money. Cool beans buddy on that.

Posted June 3, 2013 3:21 pm 

Pete R.

Canelo vs. Floyd it is an interesting matchup that is happening because of PPV numbers and ShowTime’s ROI (200 million to Floyd). Truth is that if Canelo beats Floyd Showtime execs will be ecstatic. Think about rematch with more than 2 million PPV or even a third, no problem with ROI.

I expect that Canelo will be the victor and not for money reasons. Truth is that the guy is a phenomenal talent underestimated by many. His ability to adjust to opponents is outstanding and what some say is exhaustion is actually the practice of energy conservation which is followed by maximum power output; his devastating assaults.

The young man knows his strengths, weaknesses and works within them. Should the fight go 12 rounds, which I doubt Floyd will get the nod. However, IMO this will not end that way. The Josesito fight is the template for this affair.

Posted June 3, 2013 3:13 pm 


Bears…, “everyone wants to sell joe cal short, then they get in the ring with him and they get smoked.” … He didn’t smoke Kessler but he did beat him.. Ward smoked the Dane, not Calz.. Froch didn’t have a chance to do any smoking on Joe.. Calzaghe ducked Froch for years to fight guys like Peter Manfredo..”…

….guys like Peter Manfredo, who was ranked in the Ring top ten prior to fighting Joe…and interestingly Manfredo TKO’d Carl Froch in the amateurs!!…and then Calzaghe fought an unbeaten prime Kessler – who, even three years later, and past his best, managed to beat Froch. And then Calzaghe beat Hopkins at 175 in America – when even now, 5 years later, Froch is reluctant to face a 49 year old Hopkins at a catchweight in the UK!!!! Who was Froch’s best win in 2006/07??…yep a life and death struggle with Brian Magee – that’s some serious “ducking” from Calzaghe LMFAO !!!

Posted June 3, 2013 3:04 pm 


Tomato Can: Jajaj.. who knows. It’s possible fighting a MW. But yea, Floyd’s hands have been shot for a while. He stopped about 70% + of his opponents in his first division. Worse case scenario he breaks a hand upside Canelo’s skull and ends up paying for it.

Posted June 3, 2013 2:58 pm 


Nobody is underrating Canelo, but he’s not on Floyd’s level… he’s just so much bigger.

Posted June 3, 2013 2:57 pm 


BEARS: jajaja…. Canelo beat Lopez at 154 (the mexican post fight of JCC Jr Vs. SM were completely ripping him apart for that bout against a man who recently came from 140), it makes a big difference, does Canelo really P4P run circles around Guerrero and Ortiz? It’s possible… that he’s better, but runs circles, I don’t know about that. He’s just way bigger than those guys. This is probably Floyd’s toughest fight to date… only for the size. He’s fought P4P better fighters, who would have P4P beaten Canelo for sure.

Posted June 3, 2013 2:53 pm 


Bears…, “everyone wants to sell joe cal short, then they get in the ring with him and they get smoked.” … He didn’t smoke Kessler but he did beat him.. Ward smoked the Dane, not Calz.. Froch didn’t have a chance to do any smoking on Joe.. Calzaghe ducked Froch for years to fight guys like Peter Manfredo..

No smoking allowed I guess.

Posted June 3, 2013 2:50 pm 

Tomato Can

Mayweather’s hands have been shot for a long time. Everytime he trys to land a good punch he hurts his hands. He may try to land something hard on Canelo, but if he does it wont be until late in the fight. So obviously at some point that someone’s going to take advantage of that and walk him down. Maybe Canelo is the guy to doit.

Posted June 3, 2013 2:22 pm 


It eems like everyone wants to sell joe cal short, then they get in the ring with him and they get smoked

Posted June 3, 2013 2:20 pm 


I thought ward was lowing down significantly round 12 against froch. Ya know when he got his jaw jacked and his mouth piece came flying out?

Posted June 3, 2013 2:19 pm 


Canelo is gonna go beyond replicateing what washed up oscar, mosley, and cotto did that’s for sure

Posted June 3, 2013 2:10 pm 


Public Enemy- I know u like a good arguement. I say wait and see….its not gonna be like Ortiz or Baldomir or Guerrero.

Posted June 3, 2013 1:49 pm 


Mayweather VS Canelo Joke, Mayweather is gonna run to a UD and call it great boxing. Garcia Matthysse is going to be a good one. If Garcia sticks and moves he should get a UD. If he trades and goes toe to toe Matthysse has the power to Knock him out. (Before anyone say’s it “That’s what Floyd does.” No he doesn’t, he pity pats and runs or worse lands one punch and runs.

Posted June 3, 2013 1:48 pm 


Canelo-Mayweather is a tough one to call… But if Canelo looks fresh and strong at the weigh-in, look out.

Posted June 3, 2013 1:46 pm 


I have the feeling people think its gonna be another Guerrero/Mayweather fight or another Ortiz/Mayweather fight.(?) Im not too sure about that…

Posted June 3, 2013 1:45 pm 


Calz-B-Hop was a SD..dig??? Close fight.. Hop was 43 years old.. Ward never ran out of gas in his life.. That’s ridiculous.. Calz was easy to hit but hard to stop, He was decked by Hopkins, Mitchell etc.. He was a swarmer and brawler, perfect for Ward.. If you’re getting blasted you don’t keep charging and trading.. JC reevaluated after Hopkins decked him.. He used more movement, but forget that against a young technician like Ward.. He would be picked apart.. Why do you think Hopkins never offered to fight Ward? B-Hop lost to Dawson for God’s sake … what do you think would Ward do to him?

Posted June 3, 2013 1:43 pm 


IMO, Canelo vs Mayweather will be a great battle. Far better than some of the last opponents Mayweather had in the past with the exception of Cotto. Even old Mosley gave Mayweather a decent fight way better than Guerrero.

Posted June 3, 2013 1:37 pm 


I don’t know about the ward beating joe cal thing at all. Joe cal kept apace and rate ward can’t, ward would gas. And if joe cal was such an easy target with bad “foot alignment” surely hopkins should’ve been more effective. Landed something more effective. I definetly can’t sit and say with any certainty ward would have joe cals number. not at al

Posted June 3, 2013 1:28 pm 


Q- trust me Canelo would have no prob with Cotto. Canelo has his youth hence a fresh mind. Trout was a good test for him and still people have Canelo losing? Despite Trout getting dropped? Go figure. Trout didnt do anything impressive, Canelo showed he handled the pressure ( whatever it was from Trout ) very well. His mentality is intact. Im not saying Canelo is an undestructable force but he is underestimated, which plays to his favor and makes him dangerous. Youth… and power, intelligence… Mayweather is simply good at what he does all around great skills. Thats why he has the edge but there is a risk….thats the difference now. Put it this way, would Trout have a better chance at Mayweather? If so why? Again, that my POV.

Posted June 3, 2013 1:28 pm 


This is one of the best if not the best bouts to be madein boxing. The ppvs are gonna be astronomical. This is floyds toughest fight to date. Were pretty much hearing everyone around boxing saying the same thing about this fight from espn to east side.

Posted June 3, 2013 1:24 pm 

spartacus 65

Tark, good afternoon champ. Very valid points you presented in your post,particularly in regards to Froch and Calzahgi and Oscar with Winky Wright. Tarver had been calling out Jones for years andhe finally received his opportunity and made the most of it. My favorite moment from their second fight was wjen tje regeree asked each fighter if they had any last questions and Tarver said,” Ypu gonna have any excuses tonight Roy?” CLASSIC.

Posted June 3, 2013 1:23 pm 


Canelo runs circles around ortiz and gueerero. Ortiz and guerrero were utter garbage. Ortiz had to quit against lopez who canelo utterly dominated. Guerrero was one of floyds worst matchups ever. A feather fist with a very poor stoppage rate even at lightweight who was beaten by both salido and diaz. Ortiz and gueerero just garbage

Posted June 3, 2013 1:20 pm 

Tomato Can

Check out the left hook that Canelo landed on Baldamir. Mayweather won’t take Canelo lightly.

Posted June 3, 2013 1:04 pm 


I still haven’t read this article but, ajjajajajajaj…. Ward > Calzaghe. Ward has already done more.

Posted June 3, 2013 12:42 pm 


Vivek writes.., “Calzaghe didn’t have the best style and he wasn’t the most fan-friendly guy.” …. WTF??? Excuse me?????

Calzaghe was VERY fan friendly. Calzaghe jumped around showboating to get the judges’ attention. He had flair. He was a brawler. Joe traded punches with everyone—even short, squat Left Hooker Jeff Lacey. JC went head-to-head with Lacy, firing flurries of hooks and uppercuts—as he did with all. Enzo Calzaghe was never a boxer and had limitations as a trainer. Joe’s hands were poorly wrapped and he broke them a lot. Technically, Joe had problems with his stance similar to Paul Williams. Both had misaligned feet and torsos so neither could crack great jabs or straight lefts. They felt more comfortable swinging away regardless of their opponent’s reach or height.

Vivek writes.., “Froch has been clearly defeated at the hands of men who couldn’t do anything with Calzaghe.” Excuse me???????

Froch was not “clearly” defeated by Kessler. Before Froch-Kessler II, Jim Lampley went over the punch stats from their 1st fight in detail. Lampley documented on national TV that Froch landed more and harder punches in Denmark. Also Froch was continuously interfered with by a hostile referee. Kessler won rounds off Calzaghe by drilling him with terrific uppercuts—but Mikkel couldn’t hit Ward with a meaningful punch and didn’t win a round.

Suggesting Ward “couldn’t do anything” with Calzaghe is ridiculous. Ward has a superior stance. Andre’s outside game is tops and Joe couldn’t win a boxing match in a million years. JC was an attacker and nobody is more alert than Ward. JC would have been picked apart with uppercuts and hooks as he tried to make it a war. Ward has this easy.

Froch is a rough customer who has a better jab than Calzaghe. He has a style to give Calzaghe fits. Carl called Calzaghe out for years for a fight that would have been a box office blockbuster, but Calzaghe was a very smart operator. Joe knew Froch was wrong for him. I knew Roy Jones was smart to avoid Antonio Tarver—but I was happy AT finally got his shot. And Oscar De La Hoya was clever to avoid Winky Wright. Don’t dismiss a fighter who calls a big name out—if it’s a logical matchup. He knows something you don’t.

Posted June 3, 2013 12:29 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Blah blah blah…

Posted June 3, 2013 12:20 pm 


I’m going to go with Garcia again, I think he’s still underrated, but Lucas hits like a sumanabish

Posted June 3, 2013 12:19 pm 


Ray: As SRED has written already, Trout presented a different problem for Cotto and was able to outbox him with his height and reach advantages and size. FMJ isn’t as tall and long as Trout so he had to get more in the teeth of the matter to beat the much denser Cotto. Floyd has a longer reach than Canelo and is listed at about the same height. Mayweather has much better reach than Cotto and is a tad taller, but Cotto is much denser, and is GREAT at taking away your boxing. Trout also had to stand and try to deliver at many moments (which he could do being way bigger than Cotto in weight and all), but Floyd being shorter than Trout and just weighing naturally much less had to do a bit more (although Floyd is charted at having the same reach as Trout). That said, styles make fights, and it’s POSSIBLE.. that Canelo would have had more problems against the Cotto Trout fought, than Trout had with him. Although I’d favor Canelo to win that fight, being so much heavier and such, it’s going to help him at some point. So the opinion that “Canelo beats Cotto IMO, and Cotto troubled FMJ” is silly. Meanwhile, ODH is a nice bit taller than FMJ and with longer arms, and that fight really was glorified sparring and not what you’re selling it as. I also had it about 9-3 Mayweather. Meanwhile, Emanuel Augustus (then Burton) gave Mayweather a tougher fight than ODH by far, and I think quite a few of FMJ’s victims would (have) beaten him, and some easily perhaps, who knows. That’s nonsensical. And the last Jr. WW that Canelo fought (Lopez) has even less reach than he does, and really got a “lucky break” in his previous bout (where he was already being outmuscled at a lower division). The last guy Canelo fought charted with MORE reach than FMJ was a gunshy and done Kermit Cintron a couple years ago. Floyd WILL be greatly outsized and outmassed, without any question at all, but Floyd is a really good boxer, and he’s fighting a man who does NOT have more reach than him, and is NOT much taller at all. (according to list)… parring that with Floyd’s boxing ability, skills, talent… he could very well outbox a gassing counter puncher (not high volume) Canelo, based on a styles make fights bases. I also think that Canelo’s counter COMBO’S can help him a lot. He can throw combo’s off Floyd’s potshots, hypothetically. But yeah, I’ll favor FMJ 60/40… and if they were the same size 85/15

Posted June 3, 2013 12:17 pm 


I have Garcia by UD in the Lucas fight. With every victory Garcia has proved me wrong and made me a believer so y stop that hot streak and hunger.Pacquiao should get past Magarito I mean Rips no problem..fits Manny’s style all too perfectly.

Posted June 3, 2013 12:00 pm 


I hate being a guy to douse the intrigue but Canelo has a 47% based on WHAT? Trout was very effective with Cotto because Cotto is NOT a big JR MW and he is actually shorter but denser than Mayweather… Floyds got a very good reach for his size coupled with lighting fast hands… Cotto matched up physically very poorly with the almost 6″1 Trout and was clearly outboxed…. Canelo has NEVER been in the ring with ANYONE whos hand and footspeed even approximates Mayweathers nor their defense and Ring IQ… Lets face it Alvarez has been facing some pretty easy opponents absent Trouth guys like Mosley and Cintron who were BADLY on the slide Cintron had lost 2 of 3 before Alvarez and Mosley had lost 2 of 3 with a draw…. Do we see a pattern here? AGAIN Canelo might have a very solid future but unless Floyd gets old I see him beating the hell out of Canelo… Mayweather is NOT given credit for how competitive he his, FOOLS think he just shows up to collect mega-paydays and goes home, the ignore the rigorous preparation and SUPER STRONG mental attitude he brings to the ring… Before and AFTER jail he STILL has won his bouts via UD over World Class opposition…. This is NOT a normal of close to normal pugilist… He will talk about Canelo and get in Alvarez head meanwhile he is aware of the threat that a YOUNG, BIGGER boxer like this presents and he will be prepared to nullify it…. Alvarez is an orthodox fighter who is gonna get taken to TWO different schools that night and after this detractors are going to consider NO ONE absent MW’s to be viable competition for Mayweather…

Posted June 3, 2013 11:55 am 


Mongrel: I also think Dirrell did TOO much moving, and to his own detriment in ways, however… I think he was just flat out more accurate and effective than Frock for most of that fight, and I thought he was robbed. Dirrell wasn’t fighting a pretty fight and was moving TOO much IMO at many times, but… he still did the better work and was more accurate and effective, and I didn’t see Frock winning that bout, period. I’d assume that Dirrell beats him in a rematch in the states… since he already beat him once without being in any kind of grueling situation.

Posted June 3, 2013 11:50 am 


Brandon Rios 30% Manny Pacquioa 70% chance of winning. If Manny cant oblierate Rios, he needs to seriously consider retiring.

Posted June 3, 2013 11:44 am 


Same thing with Matthysse and Garcia. Matthysse 55% Danny 45% of winning. Both champs. Another good matchup.

Posted June 3, 2013 11:41 am 


47% chance of Canelo winning. 53% chance of Mayweather winning. Guerrero had like 20%. Thats all everyone is saying.

Posted June 3, 2013 11:37 am 


Between Cotto and Canelo. Canelo would beat Cotto. Cotto gave Mayweather a good fight as did ODLH. They both roughed him up. Granted Mayweather did win those bouts but not without a scuff or two. I have a feeling Canelo will do the same. He has a very good chance at winning. It wont be an easy night for Mayweather like with Guerrero which everyone knew didnt have “prayer”, (hehe) Canelo has good speed and has good combos and power. Lets see… its a better match up.

Posted June 3, 2013 11:30 am 


People forget, Canelo is not getting this fight base off his resume, but because his big following.

Posted June 3, 2013 10:24 am 

boxing barlow

Bang on the button about Calzaghe Froch Vivek! Froch really needs to drop the issue. He’s a good boxer who is carving out a great legacy for himself and on top of that is fan friendly due to his aggressive style. But you have to quickly loose respect for him when he trash talks the greats like Clazaghe. Im a huge Froch fan and I gave him the nod over Dirrell. BUT! Dirrell lost that fight by default in my opinion. He ran from Froch far too much and made Froch look awful. But IMO you cant run like that for a whole fight and then expecty to get the decision becuase you landed with the odd counter here and there. That being said I would have expected Dirrell to make the obvious adjustments and beat Froch were they ever to rematch. Also for the first 8 rounds Taylor gave Froch one hell of a whooping. He again made Froch look like an fool until he ran out of steam, dropped his hands and let Froch destroy him. And we all seen what Ward did to him in their fight. So I would have predicted Calzaghe would have put a Lacey style beating on Froch if they ever met. Froch is taylor made for Calzaghes speed and foot work. Also One of Froch’s strengths is his work rate. But Calzaghes work rate is far better so this would have cancelled out Froch’s chances. If you look at how Froch got on against Kessler in their first fight you see how Froch gets on when he’s against someoen with a higher punch out put.

Posted June 3, 2013 9:25 am 


Mattysse will bust up Garcia

Posted June 3, 2013 8:53 am 


Attack the body? Fail…

Posted June 3, 2013 8:52 am 

Jack Jones

I thought Vivika Wallace was an espert, but he’s downing Mathysse like that. Vivika you to need replay the Mattysse vs Peterson fight and look into the eyes Danny Garcia!!!! I have’nt seen a look like that since Spinks looked at Tyson acrossed the ring. Garcia finna get blowed away….

Posted June 3, 2013 8:43 am 

Jack Jones

Guerrero had all these potential opponents- Ortiz, Marquez, Mosley, Alexander, Bradley, Danny Garcia, Mathysse, Judah, Broner, Khan, Peterson. Should have he really benn fighting Floyd???

The Red Head Canelo has almost as many should he really been fighting.

Posted June 3, 2013 8:38 am 

Jack Jones

Delahoya’s fighter will lose again!

Posted June 3, 2013 8:33 am 

Jack Jones

Floyd’s gonna take ya PPV money again! EasyMoney!!! Quit hyping this red hed kid up. And thats what he is a Kid!!! with no experience. Floyd knows it. And he’s gonna take him out now than wait for later.
Thats whats wrong with these fighters instead of building up experience in their weight class. They jump out of it to take on Floyd.
Easy money….

Posted June 3, 2013 8:30 am 


Dan rafael and everyone around boxing thinks this was the fight to be made. Maybe best fight to be made right now. I think some of the detractors here on east side are revealing that they are out of touch with boxing

Posted June 3, 2013 8:25 am 


If canelo vs floyd is not compelling then there is no compelling fight out there for mayweather. Lol. I’m beginning to think some people just gonna smack talk regardless. If your gonna trash this bout PLEASE offer up what floyd bout you think makes more sense so we can then trash u

Posted June 3, 2013 8:16 am 


kim he’l be out of gas in round 8 coming in at 152, easy pickings for Money thereafter,

Posted June 3, 2013 7:43 am 



Posted June 3, 2013 7:42 am 


Why does Floyd receive praise for yet another boring fight, yet Rigondeaux is rinsed for using his superior boxing skills???

Floyd Mayweather is not, nor ever will be, an all time great. He never faced so many fighters when THEY WERE IN THEIR PRIME. Mosley, Cotto, Margarito, Pacquiao, Martinez etc etc etc. Not to mention the fighters approaching or in their primes right now…. Tim Bradley, Adrien Broner, Danny Garcia, Lucas Matthysse, GGG etc.

Mayweather is going to run like the chicken he is over the next 5 fights, landing 1 shot at a time and no doubt will end up 49-0. Anyone who thinks Alvarez is going to have a chance is mistaken. Floyd will run for 12 rounds and pick up another 12 round decision in Las Vegas.

You people all seem to forget Mayweather is an undefeated fighter because boxing is a corrupt JOKE! Castillo beat Mayweather clearly in their first fight….. THAT CAN NOT EVEN BE DEBATED IT WAS THAT OBVIOUS!!!

Mayweather will go down in history as the fighter to cherry pick his fights like no other. Hes the most well protected fighter there has ever been.


Posted June 3, 2013 7:40 am 

Tyrone Jones

Vivic, those rumors you been spreading about Matthysse using PEDs are simply untrue. Likewise, Matthysse’s two so losses are actually just unjust government decisions.

Posted June 3, 2013 7:22 am 


Matthysse will beat Garcia like he has everyone else he’s faced

Posted June 3, 2013 6:54 am 


Matweather wins on tko on round 10. Canelo will be out of gass at that time, and way behind on the scor cards.

Posted June 3, 2013 6:51 am 


Its been several years since Mayweather fought anyone as potent as Austin Trout but then Canelo looked shabby against Austin Trout; and like Mayyweather, the big names on Canelo’s resume were mosly fought well past their prime. So sorry not buying the hype.

Posted June 3, 2013 6:50 am 


Froch has an option that nobody has mentioned, and that is a rematch with Andre Dirrell who clearly schooled him in the 1st round of the Super-Six tourney.If Dirrell were to beat Froch again(and not get robbed this time), he would also create a credible opponent for Mr. Untouchable Andre Ward. Hence, Froch/Dirrell II would be a good fight for Boxing as a whole.

Posted June 3, 2013 6:42 am 


If Mayweather pulls this off he has to be considered in the GOAT category. Personally I think he would school SRL Hearns, Hagler, and Sugar Ray Robinson may give Mayweather some problems though but he still figures out a way to come out on top

Posted June 3, 2013 6:29 am 


Adrian- I keep thinking something like that will happen too. Keep thinkin floyd will ruin this or fall through in some way shape or form. Or worst case scenario we get there and there is some freakish controversy like floyd vs ortiz and the bout ends having never been a real fight or some other lame controversy. I just hope the fight happens. Its a pure and seemless fight. A throwback. A new great bout to watch for decades on channels like espn classic or youtube.

Posted June 3, 2013 6:24 am 


Bears -Canelo vs floyed will never happen ,just watch when floyed pulls out another crazy demand…

Posted June 3, 2013 6:04 am 


Ggg would be to floyd what foreman was to clay. LOL

Posted June 3, 2013 5:49 am 


“I do think he will fair better than any opponent in the past” again I’ve been saying the same things. I agree. Were in for a very good matchup in floyd vs canelo. Really the best matchup for floyd out there right now if you ask me. I’m tickled pink this fight is happening. If floyd can take canelo, he can stand with confindence noone will beat him. Hemine as well take out pac and martinez after. Getting through canelo will propel floyd into the serious discussion of the GOAT ranks. Imagine if he takes on canelo, pac, martinez, and broner. LOL. His resume would be on pars with cassius clays or beyond. Its all there for floyd to take. Who gets chances like floyds getting now? You have the great fighters to fight. I can’t believe all the elements are there for floyd so its gonna be very interesting with all floyd could do, what he CHOOSES to do. Floyds off to the best possible start toughest start with canelo. Having sad all this I personally am rooting for canelo but floyds growing on me a little. I’m amazed floyd has all the pieces in terms of available opponents to accomplish something GOAT like

Posted June 3, 2013 5:46 am 


Bears, I would love to see the Daywalker beat Floyd, but I just see a close UD. I would have confidence if this was Floyds last fight, but he thinks he can do this and four more, he is picking this freckly flower.

Posted June 3, 2013 5:07 am 


“Dirrell is a decent fighter, but no where near the level of Calzaghe. One could argue he actually edged Froch in his own backyard – had scoring been more accurate.”……………………..yeah you could argue that if you had all the intelligence and analytical ability of a homebrand breath-mint. I understand why that little girl ran away all night – look at what has happened since he got hit ONCE, not even that hard by Abraham – he takes 2 years off.

People need to pull the cord, and get off of the Dirrell train. The guy is a fantastic athlete, absolutely incredible, and it is a pleasure watching him strafe guys like Oganov. BUt DIrrell isn`t a fighter, he can`t think, and his attitude to adversity is “Meep meep”.

Posted June 3, 2013 5:05 am 


Echoed my thoughts on canelo. As you all I know I’m taking canelo to win

Posted June 3, 2013 4:44 am 


Vivek has pretty much echoed my thoughts. Now to those slagging off canelo. Lol!! What say you?

Posted June 3, 2013 4:39 am 


Vaginismis is a myth, started by my wife

Posted June 3, 2013 4:17 am 


Callaghan would beat calzaghe too:-)

Posted June 3, 2013 4:02 am 


Callaghan would also beat up on Frock

Posted June 3, 2013 3:44 am 


Calzaghe, damn it

Posted June 3, 2013 3:21 am 


Callaghan would run a train on froch

Posted June 3, 2013 3:20 am 


Castillo set the bar on how to fight Floyd but as close as it was Money learned fast in that fight and the second time was much easier albeit injury free, I jut wish/hope Canelo is at full strength and not a handicapped fighter at a disadvantage .

Posted June 3, 2013 2:51 am 

El maldito

This guy underrates mattysse big time.

Posted June 3, 2013 2:45 am 


I agree about calzaghe ,he beat an ageing “Hopkins” but the one who was still beating the likes of pavlik,Pasquale,Claud and revenged jones and who is still nr.1 light haveyweight in the world ….

Posted June 3, 2013 2:15 am 

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