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“He is gonna blast Arce.” We’ll see.

Posted October 31, 2012 11:33 pm 


And yeah, Peej, Bernard Hopkins is an incredible athlete too. How in heck can you say, with clear conscience, that Hopkins is not an athlete? He’s a freakin’ boxer! And one of the best of all time! THAT’S an athlete, my friend.

Posted October 31, 2012 11:32 pm 


“That’s why I’m the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born.” You’re the greatest putz ever born and that’s about it. Oh wait, you’re also the greatest big-mouthed lout ever born.

Posted October 31, 2012 11:28 pm 


“you will see how Byrd says he is not athletic but the game of basketball just came easy to him.” Peej, I’ve seen the HBO special on Johnson/Byrd and other stuff on Bird as well. Bird may have said he’s not athletic but the reason the game “came easy to him” was because he was extremely athletic–at least in the sport of basketball–he was a natural for basketball. It seems to me that too many people are misinterpreting the meaning of “athletic.” It doesn’t have to mean that someone excels at all sports or more sports than the next guy. Larry Bird was an incredibly gifted basketball player because he was an incredible athlete.

In addition to Byrd’s stellar pro career, he is the 5th highest scorer in NCAA history. That’s the mark of an elite athlete. Any way you look at it.

Posted October 31, 2012 11:27 pm 


“Its not as easy as 1,2,3 in boxing and anyone who watches the sport knows that”-Boxing is EASIER than 1,2,3 and everyone may NOT know it but I DO. That’s why I’m the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born. Whoever has the SKILLS advantage will WIN most of the time. Its THAT EASY!!

Posted October 31, 2012 2:36 pm 


“Attempting to isolate skills from athletic ability or to place them above athletic ability, is a mistake.”-CORRECT. That’s why I didn’t attempt. I successfully DID it. SKILLS is GREATER than athleticism. Joseph Herron now agrees with ME on that. That’s why he jumped off the sinking ship and left YOU on it by YOURSELF.

Posted October 31, 2012 2:33 pm 


Donaire has the gall to cal himself a warrior?

Posted October 31, 2012 9:33 am 


Arce is a fun fighter with some sort of name the idea that Donaire is not gonna fight some money fights is unrealistic…. He is gonna blast Arce and then the next 5 dudes after, Mares, Rigo ect they can all GET IT…. None of them can compete with this kids package

Posted October 31, 2012 6:56 am 


A bunch of clowns thinking they know boxing. Arce has no business to be in the same ring as Donaire. Arce is no bum but talk about a spent bullet. Top Wank at it again. Actually I don’t think he deserve fighter or the year. If we really put things into perspective who has Donaire really fought that the boxing crowd has been screaming for? He will skip a young fighter in his own division and fight a very faded fighter 1 division up. How is that a challenge?

Posted October 31, 2012 5:34 am 


we will wait that fight….thats very interesting fight of this year

Posted October 31, 2012 3:06 am 


And if you watch the Byrd vs Magic documentary you will see how Byrd says he is not athletic but the game of basketball just came easy to him.

Posted October 30, 2012 11:04 pm 


you don’t have to be an athlete to be a good boxer. Yes it helps but in no way is Hopkins an athlete. Yes he can box no doubt a bout it but he has no athletic ability. I knew nerds in hight school that could play a sport for nothing, but could fight there ass off.

Posted October 30, 2012 11:02 pm 


Spud Webb was MUCH more athletic than Bird and Stockton COMBINED yet Bird and Stockton are GREATER…And you’re WELCOME for the free LESSON.

Posted October 30, 2012 8:58 pm 


Yup. Larry Bird agrees with ME on that!

Posted October 30, 2012 8:50 pm 


Braggadamus, your “boxing knowledge” wouldn’t fill up a urine sample cup.
Larry Bird was less athletic than his peers. LOLOLOLOL! OMG what a fool you are!

Posted October 30, 2012 8:46 pm 


Of course they’re highly athletic……compared to YOU. But I’m not comparing them to YOU. I’m comparing them to their PEERS. And compared to their PEERS they were LESS athletic than ALOT of them but more SKILLED……and SMARTER. Since you can’t learn Basketball and Boxing stick to Bowling.

Posted October 30, 2012 8:44 pm 


BTW Braggadamus, Larry Bird retired as a player in 1992 due to chronic back problems. His skills didn’t diminish–his athleticism did. His ability to play the game diminished due to dibilitating physical problems. Larry still had the skills that made him great. Yet, he couldn’t play the game anymore.

Please learn MORE about SPORTS and ATHLETES! Particlarly BOXING and BOXERS!

Posted October 30, 2012 8:43 pm 


Suck me Braggadamus, you fool. Larry Bird and John Stockton are highly athletic. That’s one reason they’re both Hall of Famers. BTW, give Larry and John a call and ask them if they felt they could have developed their skills to their maximum if they did not have the athletic abilties that they do. Really, you ARE an imbecile!

Posted October 30, 2012 8:38 pm 


“All I know is Hopkins is no athlete but his boxing skills and IQ are among the best.” You’ve got to be kidding, Peej! Hopkins is no athlete? Really? How many boxing championships has he won? And at what age? Bernard Hopkins is a fine athlete. He is also a boxing prodigy. Hopkins has been able to accomplish what he has through his athleticism, his boxing skills, and his IQ. His IQ is based on experience and knowlege of the sport, and knowledge of his opponents. But his boxing skills derived from his athletic ability and were developed by applying what he learned.

Posted October 30, 2012 8:34 pm 


“”Just as Basketball SKILLS trumps athleticism in the Sport of Basketball.” WRONG!

Joseph is correct.”-Nope. Joseph was wrong and YOU just joined HIM. Larry Bird and John Stockton are Hall of Famers with very LITTLE athleticism. In FACT they are GREATER than MANY players who have MORE athleticism…. Because they have more Basketball SKILLS….Now that I schooled YOU on Basketball its back to Boxing.

Posted October 30, 2012 8:33 pm 


“MOST considered Wlad superior to Sanders, Brewster and certainly Purrity yet he sports 3 TKO’s in his prime”-YES. 3 TKO LOSSES Vs. 50 KO WINS. So I am CORRECT. SKILLS is the most important factor in Boxing. The more SKILLED man WINS MOST of the time.

Posted October 30, 2012 8:24 pm 


“Meldrick Taylor was boxing, Chavez blind”-Yet his Boxing IQ failed him and he got knocked out.

Posted October 30, 2012 8:22 pm 


“Cotto was FAR more skilled than Margarito”-YES. Yet he exhibited FAR less Boxing IQ. I have YET to SEE a man with a Granite CHIN and BODY. But Cotto never checked Margarito’s body. But Margarito checked HIS. And that’s what got Cotto BEAT. Margarito went to the body and Cotto did NOT……A higher Boxing IQ is more successful vs the SKILLS advantage than any other attribute.

Posted October 30, 2012 8:21 pm 


“Anyone that knows boxing knows that Greatness is usually a mixture of various attributes”-YES it IS. But SKILLS is the most important attribute.

Posted October 30, 2012 8:17 pm 


Fedor-I’ll take Floyd. He has more SKILLS.

Posted October 30, 2012 8:16 pm 


Cutman-I didn’t write any theories. I wrote a FACT. And like I SAID it rings TRUE MOST of the time.

Posted October 30, 2012 8:15 pm 


All I know is Hopkins is no athlete but his boxing skills and IQ are among the best which allows him to win or be competitive in fights in which you would think he should not be. Also heart plays a major factor

Posted October 30, 2012 8:06 pm 


Part Four:

Still, there are so many factors that may enable one boxer to beat the other. Skills and athleticism are two of them–perhaps the most important two. “Skills” may be the top rung on the ladder of athleticism. But athleticism is the actual tool that enables one athlete to beat the other.

Posted October 30, 2012 7:36 pm 


Part Three:

Additionally, “skills” are limited. They are limited by the athletic ability of the athlete. This is why some fighters make it to the elite level and others never attain better than journeyman status. Athleticism is in fact more important than skills because without it, skills will never be developed to their full potential.

Posted October 30, 2012 7:35 pm 


Part Two:

Attempting to isolate skills from athletic ability or to place them above athletic ability, is a mistake. NO boxer wins because his skills are better than his athleticism, or better than his opponent’s athleticism. When you see an older, slower, apparently more out of shape boxer winning on “skills” he is in fact winning on a foundation of superior athleticism. His skills derived from his athletic abilities, not the other way around.

Posted October 30, 2012 7:35 pm 


Ok. Don’t know what the problem is but I’ll try to post my response regarding skills and athleticism in four parts. Part One:

“Just as Basketball SKILLS trumps athleticism in the Sport of Basketball.” WRONG!

Joseph is correct. Skills are dependent on, and developed through athletic ability. Athletic ability is not developed through skills nor dependent on them. If a person does not have sufficient athletic ability, he/she will not be able to develop the skills they need to successfully compete in any sport, because athleticism is the human physical foundation for all sports.

Posted October 30, 2012 7:34 pm 


I am having a very hard time getting my responses to post if they are anything more than a couple of lines long. Is anyone else having this problem?

Posted October 30, 2012 7:30 pm 


Rigo’s a nobody?lol Some people are stupider than I thought.I don’t like nonito & he’s clearly overrated but don’t ever here me calling him a bum or garbage.That 122lb can knock you haters with a single jab.Some Nonito fans are stupider than I thought.

Posted October 30, 2012 7:24 pm 


Sredmond. Marg beat martinez at a time when martinez hadnt fully developed his power. Its funny to watch coz martinez looks dominant and highly skilled in the beginning but then u notice that theres waaay less power there and margo starts walking through his punches and pounding him, kinda hard to watch coz im a big martinez fan. Still he picked himself up again and now his power is unquestioned

Posted October 30, 2012 6:57 pm 


Herrol Graham was outboxing Julian Jackson nicely till he was starched by a guy with one punch KO power…Terry Norris was considered above Jacksons class also till he got caught and completely short circuited… NO ONE would say Iran Barkley was a better fighter than Tommy Hearns yet lo and behold…. Roy Jones accomplished 10 times more than Antonio Tarver yet Tarver has 2 wins over Jones including a KO that changed RJJ as a boxer FOREVER…. Glen Johnson is a guy who had 9 or so losses and will never be known as a virtuoso YET he slammed Roys head off the canvas like a bomb hit him…. Boxing is a CRAZY sport where the “Best Man” does NOT always win….

Posted October 30, 2012 6:54 pm 


Anyone that knows boxing knows that Greatness is usually a mixture of various attributes, skills, conditioning, chin, mental attitude, game plan, size ect… There are no absolutes, Cotto was FAR more skilled than Margarito YET he was ground down by a bigger, pressure fighter who’s chin carried him thru Cottos best fire despite specuations of cheating ect….Meldrick Taylor was boxing, Chavez blind yet the more durable, harder hitter Chavez prevailed in the end (assist Richard Steele) and effectively ended Taylors run as an elite fighter… MOST considered Wlad superior to Sanders, Brewster and certainly Purrity yet he sports 3 TKO’s in his prime…Its not as easy as 1,2,3 in boxing and anyone who watches the sport knows that….Other than that how the hell could Margo EVER stop Martinez??

Posted October 30, 2012 6:49 pm 


Boxtra. Manny of Floyd? lol

Posted October 30, 2012 6:41 pm 


Boxtra. That theory may work in some cases but is too simplistic for all. What about superior boxers who get walked down by granite-chinned pressure fighters? I personally dislike margarito but hes proven that formula many times. And what about height and reach advantages, ala K Bros? Their styles are perfectly honed to complement their physical advantages. Size is another big factor in boxing. Also, try and imagine mayweather with the skills, but only an average athleticism, and would he be where he is today?

Posted October 30, 2012 6:37 pm 


I care because I like to pick the WINNER a lot. The more SKILLFUL man is the BETTER man and the BETTER man WINS most of the time. The more athletic man is the LESSER man….unless he also has more SKILLS of course.

Posted October 30, 2012 4:36 pm 


I care because I like to pick the WINNER. The more SKILLFUL man is the BETTER man in the Sport of Boxing and he will WIN most of the time. The more athletic man is the LESSER man….unless he also has more SKILLS of course.

Posted October 30, 2012 4:31 pm 

The Mad Scientist

Who cares, at the end of of the day the better man will win at the end of the night regardless of skill, athleticism or whatever..this is why boxing is referred to as the theatre of the unexpected because sometime a determined fighter with heart and a will to win can triumph over skill an athleticism as we often see.

Posted October 30, 2012 4:28 pm 


Marquez just explained it FOR me.

Posted October 30, 2012 4:18 pm 


Boxtra, Explain the first Pacquiao-Barrera fight. Barrera was the more skillfil fighter on that night.

Posted October 30, 2012 4:15 pm 


Emmanuel Steward HIMSELF SAID that Kermit Cintron was one of the GREATEST athletes that he ever worked with. Too bad that it didn’t make him GREAT or even that GOOD.

Posted October 30, 2012 4:14 pm 


Pascal is more athletic than Hopkins but he still got SPANKED. Because Hopkins has more Boxing SKILLS and Boxing IQ. Also Allan Green was more athletic than Glen Johnson but he got knocked out. Also Victor Ortiz is more athletic than Josesito Lopez but he still got stopped. Also Meldrick Taylor was more athletic than Chavez Sr. Leonard was more athletic than Roberto Duran. Pacquiao was more athletic than Marquez. Alvarado was more athletic than Rios. Kayode was more athletic than Tarver. etc……SKILLS and Boxing IQ are more important than athleticism.

Posted October 30, 2012 4:10 pm 


Athleticism is important, for sure, but it’s no good if you have no skills….like Sergio Martinez for example, he’s so dangerous because not only is he supremely skilled, but he’s also extremely athletic, which is a double threat. Wladimir appears as though he has ZERO athleticism, yet he’s beating guys who are far more athletic, like David Haye, he looks like he can run fast, jump high and yet he still lost.

Posted October 30, 2012 4:08 pm 


I GAVE you an analogy between two Fighters. David Haye is the most athletic HW in the World. Yet he is not the GREATEST HW in the World. Why is that??? His Superior athleticism should have put him on TOP…..according to YOU and your sources……SKILLS and Boxing IQ are the most important factors in Boxing. The History of Boxing agrees with ME on that… not YOU.

Posted October 30, 2012 4:04 pm 


Joseph Herron-Nope. I made myself look very knowledgeable. Athleticism doesn’t separate the GOOD Fighters from the GREAT ones. SKILLS and Boxing IQ does. Everyone may NOT know that but I DO. That’s why I’m the GREATEST and everyone else is NOT. But the GOOD thing IS everyone can learn from ME…..I share the FACTS about Boxing here for FREE…..I don’t take everyone’s word as GOSPEL. I study the FACTS and then I just reiterate them. SO don’t blame ME. Blame the FACTS.

Posted October 30, 2012 3:57 pm 

Joseph Herron

Boxtra, my last comment is awaiting moderation…that’s how descriptive it was. Here’s the toned down version:

Man, you are making yourself look foolish.

Anyone who has been around the sport knows that a fighter’s natural athleticism separates the great fighters from the good ones.

The difference in athleticism between “two fighters”, dingle.

So stop it with the Lebron analogies, you sound like a fool.

Posted October 30, 2012 3:22 pm 

Joseph Herron

Boxtra, you’re really making yourself look like a tool…between two fighters, athleticism trumps all. What separates the great fighters from the good fighters is always their natural athletic gifts. Everyone who has been around the sport knows this.

So stop the ridiculous Lebron James analogies…you sound like a dufus!! lol

Posted October 30, 2012 3:00 pm 


By the WAY take MY advice and don’t TRY it Lebron. Herron writes GOOD stories but his analysis is POOR….. You will be knocked out by Wlad because Boxing SKILLS trumps athleticism in the Sport of Boxing. Just as Basketball SKILLS trumps athleticism in the Sport of Basketball.

Posted October 30, 2012 2:55 pm 


If Athleticism trumps Boxing SKILLS in the Sport of Boxing then Lebron James should sign to Fight Wlad Klitschko and become the first HW CHAMP and NBA CHAMP of the World!! Lebron James is MUCH MORE athletic than Wlad Klitschko.

Posted October 30, 2012 2:44 pm 


Joseph Herron-NO problem. I’m not saying anyone is full of s**t but when they SAY that athleticism trumps SKILLS then they ARE full of it. What the hell was Steward training for if athleticism trumps SKILLS anyway??? He should have fired HIMSELF and hired his guys some athletic trainers.

Posted October 30, 2012 2:40 pm 


“Boxing is not a P4P contest.”-YES it IS. Boxing is a SKILLS contest. SKILLS WINS most of the time in Boxing…. P4P ranking is a ranking of SKILLS created by EXPERTS. Not AMATEURS such as YOURSELF. SO the higher the P4P ranking the higher the SKILL level. If you can’t tactically destroy a #0 P4P Fighter then it is FOOLHARDY to believe that you can destroy a Top 4 P4P Fighter. Please learn more about Boxing and Sports in general………If you can’t destroy a NON P4P ranked opponent then you’re not going to destroy the #4 P4P ranked Fighter.

Posted October 30, 2012 2:36 pm 

Joseph Herron

Okay, Boxtra…I guess every great trainer including Emanuel Steward is full of s**t. Thanks for steering me in the right direction…lol!!

Posted October 30, 2012 2:34 pm 


Donaire will school ANYONE at 122…all these guys claim they can beat him, but after they saw what he did to Montiel the moment Montiel tried to win, they become turtles who are deathly afraid of sticking their heads out…Nishiaoka was timid, but when he finally tried to win, Donaire floored him, TWICE with ease!!! Donaire is just that good. He’s gonna KO Arce and then KO whoever else is worthy. Rigo can get it too, but he heeds tor prove himself first.

Posted October 30, 2012 2:33 pm 


Cosign Boxtradamus, the amateurs and the pros are TOTALLY different… Oscars, Leonards, and Wards amateur accomplisments are elevated by the FACT that they translated when they turned professional and proved to be the real deal…. Beyond that guys fighting 3 rounds with headgear and Olympic scoring don’t necessarily correlate well with the professional world where things move MUCH faster and guys are producing KO’s instead of hitting with the white part of the glove….

Posted October 30, 2012 2:33 pm 


Rigo has boxed a TOTAL of 59 rounds in his career, meanwhile Donaire has 179 rounds of professional boxing in the bank… To date Rigo has ONLY fought 4, 12 round contests in his entire career… He has earned VERY little and he lacks the experience and skill to compete with an elite fighter like Donaire…. By this criteria EVERY upstart fighter with a strong amateur background would get a title shot AFTER 11 contests… This is simply amateur hour to give him MORE than a SMALL chance at beating Nonito Donaire who is a multi-division Champion who is making top boxers fight scared OR get knocked out….Get off the hype train kids, Rigo ain’t all that….

Posted October 30, 2012 2:30 pm 


“Same Marroquin that beat Gary russel jr twice,& broners @ss”-In WHAT Sport??? Certainly not the Sport of Professional Boxing. Broner and Russell Jr. are UNDEFEATED in THIS Sport. WHO CARES what happened in another Sport??? Michael Jordan SPANKED Mike Tyson is Basketball but WHAT does that have to DO with Professional Boxing??? AMATEUR Boxing and Professional Boxing are two different Sports. Or else we would see AMATEURS vs. PROS.

Posted October 30, 2012 2:28 pm 


Malachi Rigo is a CHAMP but Donaire is Top 4 P4P which is GREATER than being a CHAMP. Rigo doesn’t have to only wait to face Donaire. He has Vasquez Jr. he has the guy that Donaire just BEAT Nishioka and the other guy that Donaire beat Mathebula….Rigo is just basing his whole career on ONE guy when Donaire keeps beating CHAMP after CHAMP. Rigo needs to face some Top 5 guys in his division if he can’t face the Top 5 guy in the Sport…..Donaire not taking the Fight is NO EXCUSE to continually face subpar competition.

Posted October 30, 2012 2:25 pm 


Rigo’s on the undercard because he is a NOBODY with 11 fights… Who cares if you won 40,000 bouts in the amateurs… Putting him on the undercard showcases him and allows for a possible bout down the road should he perform and actually win… You guys are on the hype train, Broner and Russell have many more bouts and the book is still out on them… 11 bouts is a mirage that can be destroyed at any moment

Posted October 30, 2012 2:23 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Guillermo Rigondeaux is on the undercard. That’s BS. The main should be Donaire vs Rigo. Stop ducking him.

Posted October 30, 2012 1:50 pm 


“Greater athleticism defeats technical skills all day long…first rule of boxing”-FALSE. That’s the first rule of AMATEURISM. In Pro Boxing technical Boxing SKILLS defeats athleticism most of the time everyday of the WEEK. If not then David Haye would defeat both Klitschkos because he is more athletic. Also Usain Bolt could enter Boxing and become CHAMP immediately because he has Superior Athleticism which would TRUMP Superior Boxing SKILLS. But we all know (except for Herron) that’s PREPOSTEROUS.

Posted October 30, 2012 1:00 pm 

who cares

What’s the point? Another over-the-hill name so Donaire can say he’s a true warrior.

Posted October 30, 2012 12:24 pm 

Joseph Herron

Nicolas, I aceept your apology…thank you.

But how do you come up that assessment from reading my article? I am merely explaining why it doesn’t make very much sense to pit Rigondeaux with Donaire at this time.

I also explained why Top Rank is pairing Donaire up with Arce in December. They ultimately want to create the showdown between Donaire and Rigo but they also want there to be an overwhelming demand.

There’s nothing wrong with building a demand for a match-up that truly deserves a huge billing.

And why all of the hatred for an exciting fighter like Arce? No he’s not a world beater but he did earn a title at 122 by beating a tough, young undefeated fighter like Vazquez Jr. when most though he didn’t stand a chance.

He never lost the title that Donaire currently owns so the fight actually makes sense.

Dude, just sit back and watch the fight on HBO…it’s free if you’re already a subscriber.

Posted October 30, 2012 11:49 am 


mismatch in favor of Donaire

Posted October 30, 2012 10:44 am 

Joseph Herron

Thanks, cutman!!

Posted October 30, 2012 10:21 am 


Ps. Great article

Posted October 30, 2012 10:04 am 


Im confident Donaire beats moreno and rigo, but thats not the point. The point is those guys DO deserve the fight unlike what other posters are saying. After all, they own the title belts that donaire would like to hang on the mantlepiece. We can enjoy donaires supurb performances even tho we know he’ll always win, its just that many fans wanna see rigo get a chance. Anyway, donaire is t threatened until he moves up in weight and takes on a salido or gamboa. Id love to watch him put a boxing clinic on juanma lopez

Posted October 30, 2012 10:03 am 


IMO donaire still beats rigo due to natural athleticism, height and reach, power and good skills. Rigo’s only real advantage is in the skills department. I have a feeling moreno may even be the more dangerous opponent for donaire . Both guys, moreno or donaire, deserve that fight wit donaire more than anyone. Forget about mares coz he’s wit golden boy

Posted October 30, 2012 9:49 am 


Rigo is the wba champ, freddie roach said he’s probly the greatest talent he’s ever seen. Rigo is a two time olympic gold medallist with almost 400 fights and is undeniably an all time great amateur boxer. He’s promoted by top rank just like donaire. So now, why shouldnt he get to fight donaire? I love it when guys claim he doesnt ‘deserve’ it, usually those guys have a serious chip on their shoulder and hate to think bout all those great amateur boxers who were fasttracked to pro boxing glory (ala muhummud ali, foreman and do i need to start naming them all and giving ya a history lesson???) wake up fools!

Posted October 30, 2012 9:38 am 

Joseph Herron

Thanks, Hidalgo. I really try to probe everyone in boxing for the latest news in the sport and don’t just copy what other journalists have reported like a lot of writers.

Btw, Seth Mitchell will be on “The Pugilist KOrner” tonight, discussing his upcoming bout with Seth Mitchell on November 17th against Johnathon Banks. Banks is currently training with Wladimir Klitschko in Austria and will be in the corner of Wlad on November 10th.

Posted October 30, 2012 9:30 am 


Lets put this in perspective folks. Donaire is a younger, bigger fighter who has risen through lighter weights and clearly dominated. He looks damn impressive when he’s knocking out the small guys like montiel and darchinyan. But now fans wanna see donaire prove himself against a quality opponent who is a similiar size ala rigo, or perhaps even bigger ala moreno. Dont even mention nishioka or mathebula coz those guys aint in the same class. Donaire is facing another small old guy in arce so we should expect another impressive KO, theres no doubt donaire is entertaining against those small guys. But some of us fans get tired of the same pattern in matchmaking. Also, if his branding is centred around ‘p4p’ brilliance then he should prove that by fighting some QUALITY bigger guys.

Posted October 30, 2012 9:29 am 


“Sometimes I don’t know why I waste my time getting you guys this information.” Don’t worry about it Joseph. Some people just don’t understand why they shouldn’t eat their dessert before the main course.

Posted October 30, 2012 9:19 am 


Donaire ducks nobody as long as the challenging fighter, trash – talking or not, brings with him enough skills and the capability to bring the revenue. So , if you guys out there have these qualities, come on over but please form a proper line based on the preceeding two requirements. Donaire’s counter-left does not discriminate whether you are Cuban, Mexican, Russian, American or even if you are from Pluto !!

Posted October 30, 2012 8:13 am 

Joseph Herron

Mad Scientist, no one’s blocking anything. Read the damn article. Sometimes I don’t know why I waste my time getting you guys this information. I’m basically telling you guys before anyone else that the fight will take place this summer and I’m explaining why it’s not taking place now.

Did everyone forget their reading comprehension skills?

Posted October 30, 2012 7:38 am 


Guys act like Donaires career is over, the dude is what 28 and peaking??? He says he is going to be at 122 for awhile and is pretty active so why not stop acting like petulant children and let the man fight his fights…. There is time to get to Mares, and Rigo if he is EVER truly worthy of a shot beyond ravings on his amateur career (laughable)…. Donaire is fighting 2x per year so whats the deal?? Once he caps these guys the whiners will say he needs to move up AGAIN or that he has not fought King Kong yet so he is ducking this person or that one…. Rigo has NOTHING for Donaire inside or outside the ring, he is an unknown quantity as a professional and beating Rico Ramos does not constitute greatness by any stretch of the imagination…

Posted October 30, 2012 5:36 am 

The Mad Scientist

A fight against Abner Mares will be Nonito’s biggest payday at 122lbs but we all know that fight ain’t happening for obvious reasons..yes, Travieso is better known than Rigo but I haven’t heard of any buzz or public demand for Donaire to fight Arce..I don’t understand why some of Nonito’s biggest supporters get so political to block Rigo out of a shot at the flash..this is the fight fans are clamoring for from what Im hearing and its one that can actually be made..I love Travieso but even casuals know he’s pretty much done as a worthy contender..who else is Nonito suppose to fight at 122 that the public wants to see him in against..? No one really cared if the ring ratings had Nishioka ranked as #1 boogie man of the weight class, its not the fight the people wanted to see..I like Nonito but muck like others around here I expected better from him since demolishing Montiel who I never thought all that much about either..oh well, good thing for me my interest in other fights or fighters go way beyond whatever path Donaire chooses to take in his career..

Posted October 30, 2012 3:34 am 


Nonito Donaire is the best @ 122 lbs division. Everyone who wants to fight with him shall fall-in-line and wait for their turn. No shortcuts to greatness.

Posted October 30, 2012 2:44 am 


Well-said bro. I agree with your opinion 100%.

Posted October 30, 2012 2:40 am 


Whoever thinks Arce has even a remote chance of winning is kidding themselves.. Donaire will knock him out before ten.. Arce might be a “good” challenge.. but honestly not good enough and past his best… Rigo might not be “deserving” but that’s a better fight than this.. and a better fight then most fights.. after Arce Donaire should face Moreno/ Mares or Rigo…. anything else in the division is a serious let down.. But then again, you can’t blame Donaire when he has Papa Bob calling his shots.

Posted October 30, 2012 2:38 am 

Joseph Herron

Greater athleticism defeats technical skills all day long…first rule of boxing

Posted October 30, 2012 2:37 am 


I don’t believe Nonito can beat Rigo. I just simple don’t believe it. There’s no way a guy who relies on speed and power to knock out his opponents is going to convincingly beat a super elite tactician. At most, Rigo will get robbed with a decision going to Nonito.

Posted October 30, 2012 1:07 am 


Exactly, Arce is past his best. I am still not impressed with Donaires opponent selection and the way he makes excuses on why he wont fight other fighters. As Mares is concerned he wants to fight everybody and he has yet to be in a bad fight.

Posted October 30, 2012 12:45 am 

The Mad Scientist

Nonito’s best wins came against fighters who were 115lbs at best..last time Donaire looked spectacular disposing an opponent was when he fought Fernando Montiel who IMO wasn’t a better fighter than any of the participants from the bantamweight 122lbs Nonito’s overwhelming advantages in speed and power seem to have slightly remains to be seen how so against a more willing opponent, one thing that’s very evident is the flash is not quite the illusive fighter he appeared to be at the lower weight classes..Donaire’s face marks up pretty easy when tagged with a few decent punches,,I wonder what will happen when he’s tagged with a good shot..hopefully Arce hangs with Nonito and test that chin with a good punch but Im not really looking forward to that fight at all..

Posted October 29, 2012 11:41 pm 


he is not the best, he still needs to fight the best in the divisions that he is trying to go through.

Posted October 29, 2012 10:28 pm 


Donaire is the best..

Posted October 29, 2012 10:24 pm 


If im not mistaken didn’t Spinks fight for the heavyweight championship with like 8 fights?

Posted October 29, 2012 10:17 pm 


Nonito doesn’t says one thing and does another. He won’t fight Rigo because of the experience factor, but is more than willing to fight no-namers like mathebula, nishioka, and that argentinian dude? This guy is whack.

Posted October 29, 2012 9:43 pm 


The over-hyped Cuban who is starting to talk trash against P4P Nonito has a very nebulous opinion of his skills and has no clue about the difference between the journeymen-type fighters and elite ones. He thinks his 11 pro fights against sparring partners coupled with his Olympic pitty-pat fights lasting three rounds with headgear and referees who are wired to stop amateur fights at the slightest hint of discomfort with one of the boxers is enough to challenge a champion who has broken jaws, sent opponents twitching in the canvas, hit opponents so hard they lost perspective of whether the boxing ring is square , oval or round . When Donaire commented that he wants (not duck) Rigondeuax to at his best when they fight, Nonito in his own polite way, without the trash- talk, is telling him he is not ready and there are better fighters ahead of him for Nonito to fight , both skill-wise and the revenue they will bring. After all, pro-boxing is a business as much as it is a sport.

Posted October 29, 2012 9:42 pm 


Arce hasn’t lost in three years. He stays active, having fought an average of around three bouts a year. He will be a tough, wiley, experienced foe, and a very good test for Donaire. But I don’t think he will be able to handle Donaire’s speed or counterpunching skills. Regardless, this is one opponent Nonito doesn’t want to get careless with.

Posted October 29, 2012 9:24 pm 

jose castaneda

Got dam I messed up bad with that comment Lol im to faded lol

Posted October 29, 2012 9:17 pm 


“Rigondeaux needs to work on how to tactically destroy #0 P4P Marroquin before trying to step UP to Top 4 P4P Donaire.” Boxing is not a P4P contest. Please LEARN more about BOXING.

Posted October 29, 2012 9:16 pm 

jose castaneda

Haha this flip boy didn’t want to fight in mexico first. And they put it in Houston Lol its going to be the same smack beaners everywhere yeaaa boy. As for the fight I love my man arce seen some awesome fights but I don’t think he can take a punch like before so if he gets chin checked I don’t see him getting up. One things for sure arce going to go out with a bang nd give it to donaire like no one has before, and make exciting like we always do.

Posted October 29, 2012 9:12 pm 


Rigondeaux needs to work on how to tactically destroy #0 P4P Marroquin before trying to step UP to Top 4 P4P Donaire.Same Marroquin that beat Gary russel jr twice,& broners @ss.You know that idiot clown that’s got beat by ponce & you look up too haha.

Posted October 29, 2012 8:10 pm 


Let the rigo haters do what they do best.Nonito p4p Rigo overrated right?lol just sign the contract nonito looking like pac/floyd all right running/ducking lol.Ducking Sergio & Rigo haha.Nonito better watch out Bob about to cash him out vs rigo withing the next 3 fights like pac & jr.& not by fixing fight but by feeding nonito to rigo thinking he’s doing the opposite but will really be doing rigo a favor.Keep hyping nonito up,Rigo going to send shock waves throughout the boxing world & p4p rankings.

Posted October 29, 2012 8:01 pm 


“@Titopa – I mean, who has he beaten in the PROS”
That’s a null comment whenever it’s brought up. You can’t beat any names if nobody with a name is willing to fight you. Rigo is the Golovkin of the lower weight divisions… people would rather eat nails than get in the ring with them.
So no… saying he needs to prove himself against a name fighter is pointless. His talent is plain to see. Can he beat Donaire? Maybe, maybe not. But he’s hands-down more deserving of a shot than a washed up fighter like Arce who lost terribly to a guy (Vic) that Donaire already beat from pillar to post.
In any fight, the conclusion shouldn’t be foregone. But in Donaire-Arce I don’t think anyone is picking Arce. On the other hand, Donaire-Rigo or Donaire-Mares (or Donaire-Moreno) all have enough question marks to make them interesting.

Posted October 29, 2012 7:03 pm 


that was my comment below

Posted October 29, 2012 6:44 pm 


I wold actually like to see Donaire fight someone that is a real threat in the division. With the acception of Vic and Montiel he has yet to fight the best of any other divisions. He takes on the weakest of the title holders which is just hard for me to see why he is placed on the P4P list. He now has the Ring belt after fighting a guy that has been off for 15 months and the fight he had before that was against an aged Marquez. He needs to challenge the top contenders of the divisions he has been fighting at

Posted October 29, 2012 6:43 pm 


Rigo is greener than the weed I smoke…on a PRO level, the guy is inexperienced, period, I mean, who has he beaten in the PROS?? Not a damn fighter worth mentioning if you ask me. I would like to see him beat a TOP 10 (or 5) fighter in his division before he spouts off at the mouth that a TOP 5 P4P (entire sport of boxing) is “ducking” him. He’s a semi-pro who’s riding his amateur career as if it held value in the PROS!! Pshhh.. Weak-sauce.

Posted October 29, 2012 5:35 pm 


REA – That’s all you got, “Rigo will kill him”?? Really. WEAK! You don’t know boxing. You’re just a rider.

Posted October 29, 2012 5:32 pm 


SREDMOND – and…..BOOM goes the dynamite. Agreed!

Posted October 29, 2012 5:32 pm 


Rigondeaux needs to work on how to tactically destroy #0 P4P Marroquin before trying to step UP to Top 4 P4P Donaire.

Posted October 29, 2012 4:37 pm 


hecdog-Please follow more Boxing. Donaire just SAID a couple of weeks ago that he wants Rigo to be at his BEST. That doesn’t sound like fear to ME that sounds like CONFIDENCE. HE wants Rigo to get some more experience SO guys like YOU won’t SAY that it was an EASY WIN because Rigo is a Professional ROOKIE. Let Rigo get him some Pro experience SO that Donaire can savor the SPANKING.

Posted October 29, 2012 4:34 pm 

Joseph Herron

Sorry, Nicolas…I was the anonymous poster…I can’t stand the new posting format

Posted October 29, 2012 3:24 pm 


Nicolas, your post is complete garbage. If you don’t like the fight, then don’t watch. I’m sure Bob Arum and Top Rank won’t lose any sleep over your lack of patronage. But, don’t accuse me of being on some fat promoter’s payroll when I’m simply being pro boxing and pro fighter.

Anyway, how is a fight with two compatible styles between two four division world champions complete garbage?

So you would rather have two counter punchers pitted against each other again like Donaire and Rigo, and have them stare at each other for 12 rounds?

I think you would just so you can come on this comment board and complain some more about why that fight was boring.


Posted October 29, 2012 3:21 pm 


Donaire is getting dinged like Mayweather, and Pac Man because he is busting up the comp and making them look completely inferior in the ring… Other fighters are not destroying these guys in this manner… Nishioka had NOT lost in 8 years yet he was made timid and when he opened up put on his ass by Donaire… Was Nishioka a BAD fighter? absolutely not he was a VERY solid professional but when you are in with a Great fighter thats not enough…. There is NOT another guy in his division who has proved as much as Donaire (multi-division champ) if he keeps blowing guys out he is not gonna get the credit he truly deserves no matter how good or tough the fighter is…. People have pre-set the table so that Pac and Floyd don’t get credit not matter WHO they beat outside eachother and even then the excuses have been rolled out….Donaire is a SPECIAL fighter and if think a guy whos rep is built on his amateur career (headgear, 3 rounds) is gonna be the one to knock him off you are betting against the odds…. This is NOT an OLD ass Ali getting caught on the cards by Spinks, Donaire is on top of his game….

Posted October 29, 2012 3:07 pm 


james… it’s hard to improve ur resume when no-one will fight you. I agree that rigo’s pofessional record isn’t that impressive, but lets not forget he does have a title. I’m a rigo fan, but nonito’s one of my favs. ive heard rigo’s resume, money, and the fact people don’t know him. the way i look at it is this way, rigo has a belt, donaire said he wants to unify. i believe this fight will happen sooner then later. rigo’s chin is his only question mark. as far as his resume goes, not sure how he’s any different then canelo/ at least rigo fights dudes in his own weight class. i’m not saying it will happen, but donaires name on rigo’s resume? what would that do for you? if rigo fights on the co-main event, they b building up for a rigo,nonito fight so whoever the ham n egger is that rigo will fight on the undercard, wont do spit for his resume. p.s before the super 6, what did wards resume look like? ah ha peace ya’ll

Posted October 29, 2012 2:42 pm 


Titopa RIO will kill him! Chicken Nonito is so scared he won’t even say yes to the fight! I have not respect for him for saying no!

Posted October 29, 2012 2:24 pm 


Boxtradamus – Agreed! Donaire is too explosive.

Posted October 29, 2012 1:37 pm 


Rea – And fight who? Rigo, the “elite” amateur who thinks his non pro record holds true value in the pros? That guy needs to fight a guy in the top 10 of his division before he wants someone in the top 5 P4P.

Posted October 29, 2012 1:36 pm 


Donaire by stoppage. EASY Fight to pick and EASY money.

Posted October 29, 2012 1:17 pm 

The Kingslayer

Tito my point is there’s no reason for Rigo to be moved so slowly when he’s had a ridiculous amount of fights under his belt already. Rigo would provide Donaire with WAY more of a challenge than old Arce will. I’ll be amazed if Arce lasts more than four rounds.

Posted October 29, 2012 1:08 pm 


What a joke fight but nonito chicken needs to man up!

Posted October 29, 2012 1:03 pm 


This fight could end up being a mismatch or surprisingly competitive; the former being most likely. Indeed Donaire is light years away from Arce at this point but the most compelling thing about Arce has always been the unknown. His ability to do the impossible and give a good fight when all signs say he’s out of his league. Not to mention the fact that this is fight that will actually sell tickets! Fight fans are so silly some times. You scoff at a matchup like this for more “meaningful match-ups” but the fighters would like to actually make money. here you have two brand names that will sell…it’s good business. Donaire badly needs a big match up that doesn’t bore people to death. Arce will give him that however long it lasts. So I love this fight too and anyone who insults me for it can simply not watch. This is good for boxing.

Posted October 29, 2012 12:53 pm 


The Kingslayer – Amateur fights don’t mean anything in the pros. I don’t know how many times we’ve seen “the next big thing out of the amateurs” get whooped by pros who they beat in the amateurs. Cotto lost to Kelson Pinto in the ams, what happened in the pros? Cotto blew him away. Cotto also lost to Abdulaev in the ams, TWICE, and he beat him fairly easily in the pros. Psshhh! Rigo needs to up his game in the PROS and stop trying to ride his am career.

Posted October 29, 2012 12:42 pm 

Joseph Herron

I love this fight!! This is a great final outing for Arce. Not only does he get a well deserved final payday, but he gets to prove his mettle against one of the very best in the sport. I think Arce will prove his detractors wrong and elect to go out on his shield against a fighter of Donaire’s stature. He received a lot of criticism for packing it in during his last fight, but that outing meant nothing to him. You will see the undying heart of Jorge Arce in this fight.

Posted October 29, 2012 12:28 pm 

The Kingslayer

Rigo has had like 500 amateur fights that’s why he’s been rushed.

Posted October 29, 2012 12:26 pm 


Don’t forget this is texas!! As long as Arce is physically standing, he has a chance of winning!!

Posted October 29, 2012 12:06 pm 


This is going to be a BAD blowout, Donaire is a PRIME, elite fighter who is arguably one of the top of the game athletically (speed, stamina, agility, reflexes) Arce is a face first fun fighter but he is NOT gonna know what hit him and then the Donaire detractors will be crying because he blew this guy out with relative ease….You’ve been warned :)

Posted October 29, 2012 11:59 am 


How can you “keep getting shafted” when ONLY have 11 bouts??? Guys like Martinez, Ward and others had to fight their way to the top over the course of YEARS…Why should some dude with WELL under 20 contests be bumped to the front of the line??? Donaire and Top Ranks assertions as it pertains to this upstart are perfectly valid….

Posted October 29, 2012 11:56 am 

The Kingslayer

Rigondeaux doesn’t need to improve anything, he’s ready to face Donaire but keeps getting shafted by Top Rank.

Posted October 29, 2012 11:54 am 


Nonito is going to give Arece a beating … The Arce´s defense is bad, very bad….

Posted October 29, 2012 11:32 am 


rigo must imprve first his resume before fighting donaire

Posted October 29, 2012 11:16 am 

The Kingslayer

So many more meaningful fights out there for Donaire but alas he’s stuck in the tyrannical grasp of Bob Arum so now he’ll waste time facing an over the hill fat Arce.

Posted October 29, 2012 11:08 am 


Great fight for both men, keeps Donaire ticking over.

Posted October 29, 2012 11:00 am 


Unlike the other scared chumps…Arce WILL fight to win, the dude isn’t a puss!

Posted October 29, 2012 10:28 am 

The Kingslayer

Horrible fight and a complete waste of time. Anyone who’s excited for this is delusional.

Posted October 29, 2012 9:59 am 


Entertaining fight. Rigo need to wait his turn to be knockout too by Nonito

Posted October 29, 2012 9:14 am 


Wow! I CAN NOT WAIT FOR THIS! Arce may be past his prime but it’s gonna be a fun one anyway.

Posted October 29, 2012 8:51 am 

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