Anonymous you’re complete low-life, scum of the earth who lacks common sense. You want to blame Mago’s corner, the referee and the doctor but you think his promotor has no business paying his bills when they get to take home a huge chunk of the revenue from Mago’s fight. You just prove my point that you’re a complete imbicle.Posted November 9, 2013 4:08 pm
Grant, this is what his promoter Lewkowicz is saying:Abdusalamov’s promoter, Nathan Lewkowicz has also suggested that Abdusalamov’s corner should have intervened and perhaps stopped the fight, especially with the fighter asking them how his face was doing around the sixth round.
“When a fighter is asking that, maybe a fight should be stopped,” Lewkowicz told the Daily News on Monday. “A fighter will never say he will quit but as a trainer and a corner maybe if he’s asking that you should probably stop (it).”
With regards to the stroke, it happened on Sunday night whilst they were treating him for his blood clot and subsequent 104 degree fever.Posted November 9, 2013 1:31 pm
“Anonymous”, classic promotor posting on ESB to protect his profits. In ANY job, if you get hurt while doing your job, your employer must pay your hospital bill. Of course, since the boxing business is complete anarchy, the promotors can get away with anything. It doesn’t help that the boxers aren’t very intelligent and the fans are completely stupid.Posted November 8, 2013 5:04 pm
I posted that comment below as Anon.Posted November 8, 2013 2:05 pm
Klits should be ashamed of this crap.Posted November 8, 2013 9:57 am
chuck, classic american with a sue happy attitude. any fighter should know the risks of his job before getting in the ring. maybe his corner should be sued instead. maybe instead of posting here you should donate to mago’s fund. none of the loudmouths bagging on K2 are doing that, guaranteed.Posted November 8, 2013 6:46 am
punch is a scumbag that is looking for any reason to bag on the k bros. so he uses this tragedy to bag on them for not paying the medical bills yet. you are a scumbag and a jerk. maybe they will pay but don’t pretend you care about mago. how much have YOU donated to his fund? jerk.Posted November 8, 2013 6:43 am
Wład and Vitali should foot Mago medical bills enough said.Posted November 8, 2013 5:13 am
Abdusalamov should fight his promotors in court. His injury is a direct result of the event that they promoted. They are responsible for his medical bills. This is common sense that any judge will agree with.Posted November 8, 2013 2:33 am
“I wish that it would be standardized and required for all professional boxers to carry medical insurance in order to be licensed to fight. I am not sure if the promoter has any responsibility in this situation, or if it is strictly on the fighter himself.” – If it’s not already, the promoter should be required to get medical insurance for all the fightesr in his stable. Probably not. Since these millionaires want to exploit every dollar out of the boxers they can, it’s likely case by case. And in NYDN today, they reported the only requirement is $7500 in medical and $100K if the fighter dies. Boxers are modern day slaves.Posted November 7, 2013 11:39 pm
Wow ithinkso, that is absolutely horrible if true. I still am not sure whose responsibility it was to obtain that insurance, insufficient as it obviously was. The Lewkowicz family is prominent in professional boxing around the world, surely they should know the importance of fighters being adequately insured! But for sure, if promoters cannot/will not purchase adequate insurance for their fighters, then the fighters themselves should be required to do so in order to be licensed to fight. Ideally, professional fighters should be required to unionize, then perhaps group insurance rates will make it easier for lower income fighters to be as protected as higher income fighters. One thing I know, for Lewkowicz to imply that the fund being set up is the ONLY source of protection for the Abdusalamov family, that is 100% WRONG! He needs to look out for his fighters!Posted November 7, 2013 11:08 pm
i read his insurance was capped on 70k, and should, god forbid, he dies, family gets 100k. it is laughable. he should be fully insured, with at least 1mil death benefit. it should be a requirement, not mago’s casePosted November 7, 2013 10:52 pm
I wish that it would be standardized and required for all professional boxers to carry medical insurance in order to be licensed to fight. I am not sure if the promoter has any responsibility in this situation, or if it is strictly on the fighter himself to obtain any insurance. Regardless, we should all agree that the LAST thing any professional fighter should have to worry about is how his medical bills will be paid should the worst happen. Thoughts and prayers to Mr. Abdusalamov for a speedy and full recovery, and to his family for strength in this time of need.Posted November 7, 2013 10:49 pm
“Why is everybody looking for somebody to blame.”
Grantwatson, early in the fight, Mago thought he had a broken nose and asked his corner to verify it. He also hurt his left hand early in the fight. By the halfway mark of the fight, the left side of his face was swelling abnormally. Yet his corner continued to let him fight. This is why people are looking to lay blame.Posted November 7, 2013 10:15 pm
Well he’s a drooling vegitable now so at least they can pay some bills for him because he won’t be able to.Posted November 7, 2013 8:38 pm
Establishing a trust fund is an OK gesture but fact is Sampson Boxing’s insurance for Mago should cover every dollar of his medical bill. Every MFing dollar! They need to disclose if there was adequate insurance. Why should he and his family be facing devastating medical expenses that can bankrupt the family?Posted November 7, 2013 6:47 pm
Why is everybody looking for somebody to blame. All fighters know how dangerous it is to get into the boxing ring and it can happen to any one of them. It’s easy to say the corner should of stopped it or the doctor or the ref, but just when mago looked like he was wilting he would come out the next round and put it on Perez so how were they to know something was seriously wrong. I hope that mago makes a full recovery and gets to live a normal life as he possibly can and hopefully mike Perez doesn’t get to affected by this fight mentally as he showed a lot of good aspects in his game and one of the best chins I’ve seen for a while in the heavyweight division.Posted November 7, 2013 5:53 pm
I wish for him and his family the best.Posted November 7, 2013 3:32 pm
For me Boxing has no sense if the boxing do not take care of the boxers. Anything is more important than Mago recovers. I hope good news in the next days and good analysis about what happened in order to avoid something similar in the future. Its a difficult situation for the family and people that like box.Posted November 7, 2013 3:16 pm
perez with best the crap out of alot of heavy weights. Hope mago recovers but I doubt he will fight again. Many say Wlads style is boring but he is a defensive master and guys like mago and perez would not touch him.Posted November 7, 2013 2:47 pm
To me as an average fan it looked like he fought a couragous and . tough fight. Thats how you gain respect. Look at ghatti vs ward. Its horrible but you just never know. I always pegged lamon brewster as a coward for quiting on his stool vs wk but maybe he did the right thing for himself but not his imagePosted November 7, 2013 12:53 pm
Bustajay, thanks for the info, that really sucks.Posted November 7, 2013 11:25 am
I spoke with the family again last night. He not doing well at all now.Posted November 7, 2013 10:34 am
The problem with boxing is that it is a business where fighters come LAST and profits come first. Profesional boxing should be banned and only amateur boxing lasting three rounds with headgear should be allowed. It’s time for boxers to all retire and get regular 9 – 5 jobs. To hell with the pimp promoters, managers, and media executives.Posted November 7, 2013 10:22 am
Кактo Kubrаt Pulеv каза , тpябва да cе пpежалиш в тoзи cпopт малкo или мнoгo е жеcтoк!
Brazilian Boxing Fan to everyone
I was not serious, it was just a stupid statement. I am sorry. I will be serious now. I believe Mago must never fight again. I hope he gets well soon.Posted November 7, 2013 7:38 am
Brazilian Boxing Fan to B Red
I was not joking and I am much older than 5.Posted November 7, 2013 7:36 am
Know My Stuff’s got tha beat.Posted November 7, 2013 4:38 am
Does anyone have any news on how mago is now other than in the articlePosted November 7, 2013 4:31 am
Mago was acting like he was blind in one eye and was half out of it like he was half drunk the last few rounds. It was so obvious he was taking to much punishment, his cornor is a bunch of morons. Perez did a number on this guy, mago had a few haymakers that could have ended it but they missed. The doctor at ringside should have been more alert he’s a moron to.Posted November 6, 2013 10:43 pm
Know my stuff
I am so glad I do not have some of you in my corner. The corner knew to stop that fight right after he complained. This is a tragedy and a lesson learned. This man complained after the 2nd round and his corner ignored it, even the ignorant doctor who approved of him to continue to fight. It does not have to do with big or small, if a fighter complains then call it a day.Posted November 6, 2013 9:54 pm
FA, yes if the corner knew his hand was injured, that should have been another indicator to stop the fight. I wish they had. But the truth is, that was one of the best HW, fights most of us have seen in a while, Mago wasn’t winning, but we’ve all seen more more one sided fights. Hopefully fewer of us will complain, when fights get stopped in the future, cause non of us know, when something like this will take place…Posted November 6, 2013 9:09 pm
“The problem is, when a corner has a big strong guy, with a good punch like Mago, they tend to let fights go on cause they think they have a chance to pull out the fight with one punch.” – Tomato Can, agree it’s human nature to let it go in hopes your KO artist can pull off the comeback. Mago was 18-0, 18KO after all. Problem with this logic is he broke his power punching hand in round 1 or 2, making it a low probability he’d score the KO. When your fighter can’t win and is absorbing too much punishment is when you pull the plug. That was round 7. The last few rounds of grueling fights do the most damage due to accumulation.Posted November 6, 2013 9:01 pm
KL thanks for 411. Problem is NYDN and Daily Mail reported his condition was stable Sunday but was changed to Critical on Monday. Now I don’t know WTF his current status is. Frustrating. Sampson Boxing is in damage control mode, they withheld the info about Mago’s stroke until NY Post broke the news. Unacceptable lies. This is why the hospital’s official status is what counts, not was the Sampson people say.Posted November 6, 2013 8:54 pm
I just read that Mago’s condition has worsened, now he suffered a stroke, and is now on life support. It’s not looking good at all, it seems to always end the same from this point, I hope that’s not the case. Very sad.Posted November 6, 2013 8:54 pm
The corner doesn’t need to be told they were at fault, I’m sure their devastated. The problem is, when a corner has a big strong guy, with a good punch like Mago, they tend to let fights go on cause they think they have a chance to pull out the fight with one punch. Im addittion to that, if the fight was stopped in the 6th round, many fans would be calling Mago a quitter.Posted November 6, 2013 8:46 pm
By the way, main and the strongest punch Mago got at the end of 12th round, when he almost collapsed.
In a 10 round fight… Nice logic….Posted November 6, 2013 8:08 pm
HecDog…i bet you his corner feels responsible. so they should.Posted November 6, 2013 6:35 pm
It’s difficult to blame anyone. Fighters know and accept the risks of boxing. They are tested emotionally and physically in every way possible. Boxers have to be tough and will not accept quitting. They are trained to be immune to pain and go further than they can go. Eventually all fighters get hurt while in training or in a fight. The goal is to keep your opponent on the canvas for 10 second or hit him more times than he hits you. This is the hurt sport of all sports. Injuries and deaths are part of the sport and always will be. This is what fans pay to see. Two guys hitting each other for a victory. To have their hand raised and the fans applauding their efforts. The majority of fighters make very little money. They end up working for the rest of their lives. Many end up punch drunk and physically disabled as they age. The body wasn’t made to be hit on especially the brain. This is the poor man’s sport. This is a sport that gives a man the opportunity to make something out of himself. A chance that life didn’t give him. Some times they succeed, but the majority fail. And those that fail are very rarely ever remembered. Boxing needs to do more. Trust me, there’s more than enough money to out thee fighters. Let’s keep Magomed Abdusalamov in our prayers as well as all fighters. I hope that those financially blessed boxing champions like Mayweather and other help these fighters out as well as the promoters and everyone associated with putting on boxing events. Someone needs to carePosted November 6, 2013 6:03 pm
Let’s face it guys…….. injury or no injury Magomed was always easy to hit, and Mike Perez was not alone in finding Magomed easy to hit.
Know my stuff
His corner is the blame for this point blank. No excuses, they should have stopped the fight, and when the doctor looked at his face he should be put to blame as well. I saw that his face was swollen on tv.Posted November 6, 2013 5:18 pm
well his career is over now. i’d say his corner is a bit responsible. he told them something wasn’t right and they were quiet from what i can remember. nobody said anything. dude kept going. what a warrior.Posted November 6, 2013 5:16 pm
By the way, main and the strongest punch Mago got at the end of 12th round, when he almost collapsed.Posted November 6, 2013 5:15 pm
Perez by the way showed himself as a good fighter. He has decent skills, good speed, good punch and chin. Mago connected with power punches, but it didn’t knocked him down. Mago is a strong guy with a good punch. After the fight Klit vs Povetkin, i think Perez is definitely has better chances against Klitchko.Posted November 6, 2013 5:13 pm
Know my stuff, i might missed that, but i remember he was complaining about the nose. He definitely wouldn’t feel a clog in his brain. He didn’t say that he was feeling bad. He was responding and he looked ok. Yes he was getting extra punishment, but it was not clean beating. I wouldn’t blame the team. Should doctors have extra time and check fighters, after this, i thing yes, each time fighter got hit more then he would wish, doctor should do some check up.Posted November 6, 2013 5:08 pm
Fight Aficionado Magomed had his stroke on Sunday and had a 104 degree temperature, according to Lewkowicz his temperature is now normal,
Know my stuff
What do you mean dont blame the team, did you see the fight. He was complaining about his head, that is the corner to recognize that there was a problem, and when the doctor looked as well. This is serious, and some people should be held accountable, starting with the TEAM AND THE DOCTOR.Posted November 6, 2013 4:54 pm
“The reality is he only got 40 thousand for this fight, and i think Perez got 30 thousand. That is not the package HBO gives for a fight night. Those greedy ass promoters should give back some of that money that is rightfully the fighters.” – Truth is correct. Both Mago and Perez were paid chump change for an HBO co-feature. Why so little? Co-mains on this so-called premium cable channel are normally 6 figures.Posted November 6, 2013 4:39 pm
“There’s no reason why any fighter should be paying for his own medical bills for a fight they just fought in is total bs . Hbo and his promoter should be paying period. Greedy bastards” – Agreed. There are different insurance policies that cost more based on risk. Given boxers have the highest risks of any athlete if the promoter did his pre-fight policy correctly there should be no concerns about money for Mago.Posted November 6, 2013 4:38 pm
Beside of broken nose, he didn’t display any symptoms. He was fighting and still had a chance to win if he KOed opponent. I wouldn’t blame the team. Why none remembers that K2 is his promoter and they are packed with money. GGG grabbed a good peace and he is from Kazahstan, just like Mago.Posted November 6, 2013 4:32 pm
Glad to hear there’s a fund raising effort underway but fact is the promoter’s insurance for Mago should result in a large flow of needed funds. All the stories citing Lewkowicz or someone else in Mago’s camp claim he’s in stable condition but I don’t see how having a stroke and being put on life support can possibly be stable. Other reports citing the NYC hospital’s official status has him in critical condition. What is it? That’s the boxing beat reporters’ job to clarify for fans. Get to work.Posted November 6, 2013 4:32 pm
Know my stuff
The team is seeking money from people, the team is the one that did not stop the fight. This team is the cause of everything.Posted November 6, 2013 4:14 pm
Know my stuff
I dont think that the family is asking for money already. He is getting paid from his purse. Next, people need to concentrate o why he got like that in the first place. His corner is to blame for everything, the ref and the doctor. This man life is on the line because of a corner that was so clogged up with their own blindness and selfishness. You have to be careful about who is really trying to get money.Posted November 6, 2013 4:12 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan, This is not a joking matter. You must be 5 years oldPosted November 6, 2013 4:05 pm
Lewkowicz has confirmed that Mago also suffered a stroke on Sunday, which may mean that Mago could have some permanent brain damage, I guess the fund has been set up for the long term medical treatment & loss of income that will have been incurred.Posted November 6, 2013 3:15 pm
Get real: “Why are so many Fan surprised that Boxer do NOT have insurance, They just don’t. This lesson should have been learned with Gerald McClellan / Benn fight.Now you know why fighter ask for so much money when ask to fight risky or extremely tuff fights.”
Promoters have to provide insurance for every fighter on the card…it’s mandatory per the ABC rules:
§ 6304. Safety standards
No person may arrange, promote, organize, produce, or fight in a professional boxing match without meeting each of the following requirements or an alternative requirement in effect under regulations of a boxing commission that provides equivalent protection of the health and safety of boxers:
(1) A physical examination of each boxer by a physician certifying whether or not the boxer is physically fit to safely compete, copies of which must be provided to the boxing commission.
(2) Except as otherwise expressly provided under regulation of a boxing commission promulgated subsequent to October 9, 1996, an ambulance or medical personnel with appropriate resuscitation equipment continuously present on site.
(3) A physician continuously present at ringside.
(4) Health insurance for each boxer to provide medical coverage for any injuries sustained in the match.Posted November 6, 2013 1:53 pm
Hidalgo: “special procedures like brain surgery along with ICU care can deplete an insurance benefit quickly.”
in Texas, California, and Nevada, the surety is up to a million.
I don’t know what the ceiling is in New York, but I left a message for melvina lathan of the NYSAC, as well as Tom Loeffler of K2.
As soon as I find some news, I will let everyone know.Posted November 6, 2013 1:50 pm
Pratt , IT’S OVER FOR MAGO. HE WOULD NEVER GET SANCTIONED TO FIGHTA AGAIN. NOW WE MUST HOPE ANFD PRAY THAT HE CAN FULLY RECOVER.Posted November 6, 2013 1:35 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan, TELL ME YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS. PLEASE.Posted November 6, 2013 1:34 pm
Why are so many Fan surprised that Boxer do NOT have insurance, They just don’t
This lesson should have been learned with Gerald McClellan / Benn fight
Now you know why fighter ask for so much money when ask to fight risky or extremely tuff fights.Posted November 6, 2013 1:26 pm
“Joseph let us know…..I sent money”
Bustajay, special procedures like brain surgery along with ICU care can deplete an insurance benefit quickly. I bet that even if Mago did have an insurance policy for the fight, any coverage he’s entitled to will quickly be used up. Abdusalamov’s family has probably already seen the writing on the wall and are asking for financial help. I bet he will get tons of it too–especially from the boxing industry.
Regardless, I might donate some myself pending the outcome of Joseph’s little investigation. Waiting to hear back from him.Posted November 6, 2013 12:55 pm
If he gains his health again and is released from hospital, it may be considered dangerous for him to box again. Similar to Baby Joe Mesi.
Damn. Man, I knew there was something seriously wrong. His face looked like dude from Goonies. They should have stopped the fight (his corner). He told them he though his nose was broke. That dude fought the whole fight in what must have been agonizing pain. Effing soldier. Wow. Heart yo.I hope he gets well soon.Posted November 6, 2013 12:06 pm
That was me posting as Anon below.Posted November 6, 2013 11:33 am
Brazilian Boxing Fan, the onus is NOT hoping to see Magomed fight again, it is to see him healthy again.
Perez just barely dodge some bombs, he could have easily been ko in this fight. Perez is no contender for a title, his best bet is to beat arreola level competion and then when he steps up he will lose. Wlad Ko’s him no problem. Perez displayed all kinds of weaknesses in this fight, he has as many holes in his defense as swiss cheese. And when he finally gets hit solid on the chin my bet is he will go down.Posted November 6, 2013 11:30 am
Mike Perez. Saw him take 6’9 Tye Fields off his feet. Would like to see him against Lucas Browne, the winner of Ustinov vs Tua or Chisora next. After that may be arreola or povetkin. Think he will struggle with Wlads height reach but he is very good. Hope mago is OK. Doubt he will box again. Perez is like an improved version of Chisora. Will be interesting to watch whoever he fights next.Posted November 6, 2013 11:17 am
I was expecting K2 would help and GGG. GGG to help his fellow, i guess they both from Kazahstan and Klits, they are promoters.Posted November 6, 2013 10:17 am
@ Brazilian Boxing Fan – that’s not going to happen mate. I don’t think you understand the seriousness of the situation.Posted November 6, 2013 9:47 am
The death of Leal last week and now this. It’s well overdue for a system to be put in place to help the fighters and their families in these situations. To be fair to Sampson as well at least he is standing by his fighter and trying to help – God help Mago if he had of been promoted by Don King!Posted November 6, 2013 9:46 am
Brazilian Boxing Fan
I hope Abdusalamov fights again.Posted November 6, 2013 9:04 am
Joseph let us know…..I sent moneyPosted November 6, 2013 8:57 am
Agree with Bluesman,Abudusalamov was done by the 6th or 7th round.Posted November 6, 2013 8:01 am
For all the fans clamouring for wars and criticising defensive fighters calling them cowards and such this is your wake-up call.
I don’t see anything wrong with the fans donating as they are the ones being entertained but I think the promoters should be picking up the majority of the bill, it’s’ a tiny amount of the money they make. This may not happen often but it does happen so there should be a contingency in place.
My prayers are with Abdusalamov and his family.
ps this is the first thread I’ve seen when you’re not all arguing – is this what it takes?Posted November 6, 2013 5:35 am
Yes, Hidalgo…every state commission requires itPosted November 6, 2013 5:04 am
Joseph, the WBA doesn’t require any insurance be paid for a boxer. Is it the state commission that you are talking about?Posted November 6, 2013 4:28 am
Guys, something isn’t right here.
Every promoter has to pay insurance for every fighter on the card before a commission approves a match-up.
I need to investigate how much the bond was for Mago. I will be calling the NYSAC tomorrow!!Posted November 6, 2013 2:20 am
Somebody clear something up for me: I just read an article that says that Magomed Abdusalamov lives in Florida, so why are donations being sent to Brooklyn, NY? Just wondering.Posted November 6, 2013 2:20 am
I think Boxing should be standardized such that either promoters foot the bill for hospitalization, or Boxers organize into a workforce with healthcare.Posted November 6, 2013 1:41 am
There’s no reason why any fighter should be paying for his own medical bills for a fight they just fought in is total bs . Hbo and his promoter should be paying period. Greedy bastardsPosted November 6, 2013 1:39 am
After 100yrs in the most brutal sport the fighter has to depend on donations to pay for his medical bills while some stars take home $41M per fight. This is ridiculous.Posted November 6, 2013 1:10 am
I’ll be contributing! That being said, with all due respect, John David Jackson shoulda thrown in the towel after the 6th round, if not before, enda story.Posted November 6, 2013 1:06 am
He is going to need financial assistance for the medical bills???? WTF. Why should he have to pay. The organizers, promoters. Where are their wallets. This is criminalPosted November 5, 2013 11:53 pm
The reality is he only got 40 thousand for this fight, and i think Perez got 30 thousand. That is not the package HBO gives for a fight night. Those greedy ass promoters should give back some of that money that is rightfully the fighters. Instead they try to show themselves self righteous by making a trust A*#holes to the fullestPosted November 5, 2013 11:41 pm
I called and talked to his cousin. He is answering as many calls as he can and he said all is as well as can be for the time.
I am sending money through PayPal and urge everyone here to send what you can….5, 10 or 25 dollars it all will help.
GOD BLESSPosted November 5, 2013 9:37 pm
My prayers for him hbo Oscar De la hoya bob arum n boxer help himPosted November 5, 2013 9:02 pm
Boxers very rarely have insurance. As you can imagine, theres not exactly a lot of Health Insurance companies that wish to insure a guy who gets punched by professional fighters for a living.
Best of luck to him, Im sure the boxing community will see him through. Great to see the likes of Martinez stepping in.
Sergio comes across like a class act.Posted November 5, 2013 8:22 pm
There is no insurance for boxers !! Every cut, every stitch, every broken bone come out of the Fighter’s own pocket ..
Im surprised how many boxing fan do not know this!Posted November 5, 2013 8:09 pm
i am totally lost. where is his insurance? What type of organization would allow him fight without medical and life insurances?
I think it is pure negligence on the part of promoter and HBO. they have to pay now and a lotPosted November 5, 2013 7:59 pm
My prayers and thoughts are with Magomed and his family. This could happen to any boxer at any time. We need to support these athletes. They have nothing at this stage of their careers. Help out if you’re able to.Posted November 5, 2013 7:37 pm