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im not a big chavez fan but dam the guy lost one fight and every one wants him dead.. he couldnt be that weight drained at 160 if he lost the first 11 rds and almost koed martinez in the 12. and martinez is looking pretty special. so losing to him is no disgrace. if he stays at middle weight he probaly number 2 behind martinez who at 37? 38? wont be around for ever and if he goes to 168 there are some intresting fights with pavlik, frotch ,granted ward is to good for chavez but who isnt ward to good for?

Posted September 18, 2012 10:26 pm 


Duh. Manny is in a no-win situation. Martinez says he will fight Pac at 152. Another catchweight. Bad for his rep. Pac still wins it IMO, since Martinez will be like zombie De La Hoya. Martinez stamina is now suspect, and at that age going down drastically in weight just to meet Pac will kill him. Pac may have not agreed to this fight since it is unrealistic and if there is one thing Manny is, it’s not AFRAID. Sergio has nothing to offer him.

Posted September 17, 2012 10:30 pm 


Margarito is a bum? Yes he is. But who is more of a bum? Chavez Jr. or Margarito? Chavez Jr. rarely engaged but hurt Sergio very baldy. Margo engaged Pac all night even when badly beaten. He punched more, brawled more, and is very aggresive. Heck, Margarito destroyed Martinez before? How is that bum to you? If Chavez Jr. fought Martinez the way Margarito fought Martinez, with that power in his hands, then surely Martinez will be destroyed.

Posted September 17, 2012 10:23 pm 

the man

I dont think its the fact that he lost why people are down on chavez. Its the fact that he got smoked for 11 rounds and as the bigger man when martinez turned it on with combinations. he was running from the shots like a scratch! Chavez did not impress me one bit even with the lucky knock down. Rematch? No Thanks for me.

Posted September 17, 2012 9:01 pm 


Oh yea, forgot about the fake broken hand and the fake damaged knee.

Posted September 17, 2012 8:53 pm 

Michael Katac

Jr better stay at 160. He will not have the 20 lb advantage come fight night that he has at 160. And there are a lot more talented fighters at 168 who would fast on Chavez. There attitude will be the same as MArtinez: that chavez got a free ride because of his bloodlines not merit.

Posted September 17, 2012 5:03 pm 


He needs a new trainer. Did you hear how he was speaking to Roach? There is nothing Roach can teach him at this point. He needs a trainer that will work on his technical skills and defense as well as countering.

Posted September 17, 2012 2:23 pm 


Sergio moves his feet more than Floyd. People always tend to mistake Floyd as a fighter with great footwork. When he was younger he had decent footwork but not elite like a prime Leonard or prime Ali. Floyd is a flat footed fighter that fights out of a shell.

Posted September 17, 2012 2:21 pm 


Margarito is a bum point blank. The Margarito Pac fight was a joke and cannot be compared to this fight by no means. Margarito had come off a year suspension for loaded gloves and a beatdown from Mosley. Pacquioa is no longer a top P4P in the hearts of hardcore boxing fans. He is a top media hyped fighter at best. I am not sure why people are still talking about him or Mayweather.

Posted September 17, 2012 2:16 pm 


The only way chavez can win is if they fight in texas…. in a box…. without PED test jajaj. Sorry guys chavez has heart thats all… the guy cant fight. Shut out for 11 rounds.. lol. I expected a very close fight but this kid cant cut the ring. He’s a C level fighter at most.

Posted September 17, 2012 1:15 pm 

Exiled Yank

Ward has the best footwork in the division, but he doesn’t move like Martinez. Even with that, Chavez won’t stand up to Ward, Kessler, Pavlik, Froch… hell, I’d put the light-fisted Sturm over him. They rode his name as long as they could. He couldn’t even finish a badly hurt fighter who had a torn up knee and broken fist!

Posted September 17, 2012 12:25 pm 

Exiled Yank

This kid will get destroyed at 168.

Posted September 17, 2012 12:22 pm 


Only if your reading a history book that Knock down will be all over youtube so I think your arguement dosn’t hold water

Posted September 17, 2012 12:18 pm 


I doubt it it was the foot work of Martinez that gave him problems no one at 168 has the foot work or speed of martinez at that includes Ward

Posted September 17, 2012 12:17 pm 


Cmon Chavez did show heart but is a privaledged fighter because of his Daddy in boxing you can hand pick and sugar coat alot of flaws untill the moment of truth.Martinez came up the hard way and was avoided by so many due to his awkward style.Chavez is not even a powerpuncher he is a strong kid big difference.The Chavez camp is so corrupt and shady I expected the ref to stop the fight in round 12 to save Chavez career I am glad the fight was on the line.

Posted September 17, 2012 9:41 am 


Being that Kelly is supposed to be a top shelf fighter, he should have as easy a time with Chavez as some of those others mentioned in the article. Or is Kelly a “relic” also?

Posted September 17, 2012 9:26 am 


Sergio wants the Pacquiao fight. Manny doesn’t. Thats a fact.

Posted September 17, 2012 9:01 am 


given the (1) mayweather is younger than martinez, and (2) martinez was fighting a guy rumored to be about 180lbs, your comment fails to make any coherent points.

Posted September 17, 2012 8:00 am 


JCC has big problems now much less if he moves up in weight. He just got schooled by Sergio and the only other guy he’s beat is Andy Lee, a 2nd rate fighter. The only reason JCC landed those shots in the 12th is because Sergio decide to trade with a guy 20lbs heavier than him. He could have just boxed, pot shot him all night and win on points. That is exactly what he would do in a rematch.

Posted September 17, 2012 4:56 am 


Don’t forget guys. Fighting 7 years of pros and 48 fights means Jr is “experienced”. Just not properly prepared in top calibre guys, or in training prep. It’s like playing basketball and thinking you are going to school everyone in the regular season (at whatever level) just because you threw down some nice dunks, moves, and good looking shots in streetball. If you don’t prepare and have the necessary skills for your opponent the only way you win is by luck. He got a measure of luck in the 12th. I think Maravilla WANTED to mark up (and he did) chavez all night, not hitting his hardest for a quick KO. By staying around 12 rounds eventually Martinez made a mistake and got caught in the toughest part of the fight when you are tired. But chavez couldn’t even take advantage! No good footwork and slow hands. Chavez telegraphs his moves, he just hits hard is all. Believe me if they had a rematch Martinez would put a little extra on it and go for a mid round KO. He learned some things so that when he rematched Williams he took care of business. Arum is just going to try and milk the money out of Chavez from now on. He’s no real long term champ.

Posted September 17, 2012 12:32 am 


this is the greatest comment ever on this forum!! oh and don’t forget martinez fake broken hand too patrick2.

Posted September 17, 2012 12:10 am 


Chavez Jr got the ass kicking of his life and I loved every moment of it.
Even when he hurt Martinez. Martinez fought back and backed him off, like he did all fight long.
Chavez jr doesn’t like to get hit like he claims, the early rounds he tried to bully Martinez against the ropes and Martinez would unload a few punches and Chavez jr would back off.
Nobody remembers almost knockouts.
I almost won the lottery this weekend to but missed it by three numbers.

Posted September 17, 2012 12:06 am 


Yeah, I’d pay to watch that.

Posted September 16, 2012 11:50 pm 


I think Chavez gave as good a showing as can be expected against a fighter that was just far too skilled for him.
As for the article, I have to agree there’s not much for him at Super Middleweight amongst the champs there. Froch would hurt him terribly and Ward would make him look silly. A lot of high-level contenders I think would be too much for him too (i.e. Dirrell and Kessler come to mind).
Abraham would be the best option… Chavez could potentially keep Abraham locked behind his guard and cruise to a UD, but it really depends on whether he can stand up to those walloping counters that Abraham lets loose (and I’m not sure Chavez has the ability to avoid it like Froch/Ward/Dirrell… he MAY be able to smother them though).

Posted September 16, 2012 11:49 pm 


I thought Chavez did a good job considering his lack of experience, but Golovkin would ice Chavez handily and dangerously. The kid is just far too easy to hit. If Martinez can back Chavez up, then Golovkin can put him to sleep. I’ve watched an amateur Golovkin walk head-on into firestorms from the likes of Bute and Dirrell and come out completely unscathed (and with his opponent coming out the worse off)… these are guys that punch far faster than Chavez.

Posted September 16, 2012 11:45 pm 


Enough with the Chavez bashing already. He had Martinez over and nearly out in the last round which says something about his stamina, punch and fighting spirit. And he fought the best in Martinez (Golovkin of course would have suited Jr. a lot better!). What he needs is dietary discipline, a speed trainer and his demented (sorry) father as far away from him as possible.

Posted September 16, 2012 11:40 pm 

The Super Fan

Tensy you cannot be serious or you may be related to Chavez. Because that is a ridiculous statement.

Posted September 16, 2012 11:22 pm 

The Super Fan

Any fighter who gets hit and does not move cannot be Pavlik. He has only lost to Hopkins and Martinez, guys who are hard to hit cleanly. If you can be hit on the chin and hit often fighting Pavlik is not a good idea.

Posted September 16, 2012 11:21 pm 

The Super Fan

Floyd doesn’t move as much because of age. Most fighters slow down in terms of movement as they get older. Also, fighters at 168 do move and pivot etc. Last thing is while he can take punches from guys who are 160 he will have trouble taking punches from guys who fight at 168. At 175 he would get seriously hurt.

Posted September 16, 2012 11:19 pm 


A little bit of movement this idiot says. Did you notice Roy Jones saying that not even Mayweather moves as much? It’s the bigger guys that could absorb the punishment that would bother Chavez. Big guys don’t move like Sergio.

Posted September 16, 2012 10:06 pm 



Posted September 16, 2012 9:49 pm 


Chavez Jr can’t box…pure and simple… He can beat down weak middleweights like Andy Lee with sheer size, strength, and physical toughness, but he’ll never match up with guys like Golovkin, Martinez, Ward, the Dirrell’s, Froch, or even Pavlik on a technical level.. Julio needs a better trainer pure and simple.. I’d suggest somebody like Joel Diaz or Virgil Hunter.. Get a clue from Amir Khan — if you don’t have technical skills be prepared to get your tough butt pounded for 12 rounds again.

Posted September 16, 2012 9:15 pm 


Chavez didn’t “almost win.” The 12th round was exciting to be sure, but Martinez made it clear that he would die before losing. That’s why he won.

Posted September 16, 2012 9:06 pm 


Laugh loud and long. Chavez got his ass kicked.

Posted September 16, 2012 9:05 pm 


No, the great finish was by Martinez. Down, seriously hurt, the guy comes back swinging like a madman, outpunches and outlands Jr. THAT’s a great finish–not what Chavez did.

Posted September 16, 2012 9:03 pm 


Wrong. Chavez would stop Pavlik in his tracks.

Posted September 16, 2012 9:02 pm 


No, not a coward. Just not good enough.

Posted September 16, 2012 9:01 pm 


You’ve got to be kidding, boxing_fan. Please, go back to being a tennis fanatic.

Posted September 16, 2012 9:01 pm 


I agree, who is too say that he can’t change his style and work on his feet and speed. He is still very young enough to make adjustments. It is amazing that when a top fighter loses,it over for him!

Posted September 16, 2012 8:36 pm 


I too think it was fixed — fake blood, fake swelling, even Martinez getting tagged with that vicious left hook and falling into the robes — all fixed. And Chavez’s face — I swear his corner was using a moulage kit between rounds to make it look like that. I’m not falling for it — it all seemed so scripted. Sarcasm off.

Posted September 16, 2012 8:36 pm 


I think this fight was fixed. Before the fight began they knew what the outcome was going to be. This is like a reality show. Chavez Jr not trainning for this fight and Maravilla training very hard. Maravilla wins all rounds and Chavez Jr right before the fight ends he knocks Maravilla out. And has time to end the fight but does not end the fight. Now on the next fight Chavez jr is going to train very hard and now more people are going to want to see the fight because they know that Chavez training harder will make this a better fight.

Posted September 16, 2012 7:35 pm 


Wow! Jr takes on the top dog at 160, gets beat up for 11 1/2 rounds and he’s a coward…? Really? You kill me!

Posted September 16, 2012 7:11 pm 


Chavez shame om you to enter the ring as a cruiserweight and fight a middleweight.
Is it fear? Fight men from your own size, coward!!!

Posted September 16, 2012 7:03 pm 


What an amazing turnaround! Two days ago, everyone was high on Chavez. He loses a fight, against a top PfP guy, and suddenly he has no future — and unable to beat, or even be competitive with, anyone. What a fickle boxing public we have.

Posted September 16, 2012 6:32 pm 


Pavlik will destroy chavez… the ghost hits to hard and julio isnt a difficult target to hit. At 168? He is no match for kelly. Maybe a little bit competitive for a few rounds but once pavlik begin to land that right hand… its over and i dont think chavez has the power to regret pavlik. Sr will find some diuretic and make jr fight at welterweight to see what happen jajaj!!! :smile:

Posted September 16, 2012 6:30 pm 


Oh, Mayweather takes challenges. It’s just that afterwards, after making it look easy, the haters say it wasn’t a challenge.

Posted September 16, 2012 6:30 pm 


Pavlik will destroy chavez… the ghost hits to hard and julio isnt a difficult target to hit. At 168? He is no match for kelly. Maybe a little bit competitive for a few rounds but once pavlik begin to land that right hand… its over and i dont think chavez has the power to regret pavlik. Sr will find some diuretic and make jr fight at welterweight to see what happen jajaj

Posted September 16, 2012 6:29 pm 

The Idiot

Elvis-Rocky Jr. can do something against WBO 168 World Champion Arthur Abraham imho

Posted September 16, 2012 6:10 pm 

Its Me, Ernie

Hell, he had major problems last night at this weight…

Posted September 16, 2012 5:47 pm 


Man, Chavez was beating the crap out of Martinez. I say he won just on the last round alone. Martinez sure is lucky that was the last round.

Posted September 16, 2012 5:40 pm 


Yeah, because fighters from past eras didn’t know how to move, just as Willie Pep.

Posted September 16, 2012 5:37 pm 

The Mad Scientist

Chavez was suppose to be on his knees last night begging for mercy regretting the fact he ever took the fight in the first place..I thought the so called brutal beating that was dished out by Maravilla would be enough to make him go we have to wait for Jr to move up in weight to get him haters make me laugh,,Lol!

Posted September 16, 2012 5:31 pm 


i think the auther must show a little more respect for Chavez jr. He lost against one off the best fighter right now and almost winn the fight at KO. Pavlik lost also against Martinez,Paul Willams etc etc. I Think Chavez is a a level fighter.

Posted September 16, 2012 5:30 pm 


Another point to be made is: Jr lost to one of the Top 5 PfP fighters in the world. Sure, he got dominated, but he didn’t get dominated by a nobody.

Posted September 16, 2012 5:01 pm 


Yes, Froch is a very good fighter and everyone is high on him after beating [an unproven] Bute. but Froch has vulnerabilities. He’s not the fastest guy in the world, doesn’t have the best footwork, nor does he have the tightest defense. Plus, Froch has accumulated a LOT of mileage on his box-ring odometer. A young, still-developing, muscled-up, not boiled down, Chavez Jr might be a competitive fight.

Posted September 16, 2012 4:58 pm 

Q Box

Boxing Don , Chavez quit for about 10 rounds. They started booing him in the middle rounds.

Posted September 16, 2012 4:57 pm 


I totally agree!! Pavlik vs Chavez is a fight I would to be in the front row for! Bombs away and the guy with the strongest will wins!

Posted September 16, 2012 4:51 pm 


If they put this coward in with a SMW he will be KILLED. Frotch will seriosly hurt this kid BAD!!!!

Posted September 16, 2012 4:49 pm 


And I don’t disagree. That’s why I said Jr _could_ win _a_ belt at 168. Meaning he may be able to snatch an alphabet soup belt (i.e. Rubio), certainly not one worn by Ward or any other of the top names at 168. Yep, Jr is in a tough spot — keep trying to boil down to 160, or jump into a crowed, talented pond at 168.

Posted September 16, 2012 4:49 pm 


he wont last long at 168 he will b destroy

Posted September 16, 2012 4:42 pm 

Dan Adams

Patrick2, to your point about Chavez being a lot like Pavlik at 160, I agree with you; but you saw what happened to Pavlik as soon as he moved up in weight, and that, my friend, is the author’s whole point.

Posted September 16, 2012 4:41 pm 


And Chad has young kids at home who deserve a functioning father. Plus, Chad took a lot of punishment that night, and hanging in any longer would not have changed the outcome. Props to Chad for playing it smart, I say!

Posted September 16, 2012 4:35 pm 


Jr’s other challenge is to not let the $3+ million he earned for last night’s work corrupt him. Because how many times have we seen a defeated champ, with a fat wallet, soon find an address on skidrow?

Posted September 16, 2012 4:32 pm 


Pavlik doesn’t have the best footwork either but was able to become the champ of the 160-lb middleweight division. Not saying Jr will dominate at 168, the point being if Jr develops a tighter defense and a jab, he _could_ win _a_ belt at 168.

Posted September 16, 2012 4:30 pm 


Jr. could always fight Chad Dawson, we KNOW he has NO fkn’ heart and will whine, “that’s it, I’m done”. They should’ve held up that chump’s money, how tha’ fk you gonna’ call yourself “Bad” and a champ and then QUIT, without really getting beaten up. Jr. got jammed all night and HE didn’t quit, now THAT’S a REAL fighter.

Posted September 16, 2012 4:29 pm 

The Kingslayer

Considering the kid had no amateur career he’s not bad. I’d love to see Jr vs. Pavlik, that has FOTY written all over it. Also wouldn’t mind Jr vs. George Groves.

Posted September 16, 2012 4:27 pm 

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