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mr. quigley

canelo by decision.

Posted July 7, 2013 12:39 pm 


Well that’s WHY Canelo and Oscar de la HOya should ask for NUETRAL judges in other words for NONE-AMERICANS Judges.

Posted June 29, 2013 3:21 pm 

$1 Bill

I guess we’ll just have to disagree. You’re entitled to your opinion and I respect that. And unlike many others on here, at least you keep it civil and clean, so big kudos for that.

It’s been a pleasure debating with you, I’m sure we will end up doing so again in the not too distant future.

All the best.

Posted June 22, 2013 7:39 pm 

$1 Bill

Mayweather is a great fighter but as someone else on here said and many, many others have accused him of on countless occasions, he often choose the path of least resistance. He managed to avoid too many big fights that were out there for him by either straight up ducking them, adeptly choosing when to make his move to move up through the divisions, or cherry picking the exact right time when to take fights.

Posted June 22, 2013 7:32 pm 

$1 Bill

Why are you using the Hatton fight to discredit Tszyu? He was a cooked goose before he even climbed into the ring that night and it has no bearing at all on how a fight between a prime or closer to prime Tszyu and Mayweather would’ve played out.

Mayweather started off at super featherweight, that’s just 10lbs below Tszyu’s division, and always planned on moving up through the divisions and becoming a multiple weight champion. And as is so often the case with multiple weight champions, they often cherry pick when and who to strike and sometimes they manage to mysteriously and conveniently avoid the the most dangerous fighters as they’re making their way up.

Mayweather could’ve moved up to super lightweight sooner and fought Tsyzu, it was the biggest and most dangerous fight out there for him between lightweight and super lightweight. But strangely enough he managed to either miss all of the most dangerous fights out there for him and I don’t think that’s a coincidence either. We know how precious that zero was to him.

Pacquiao, Tszyu, Margarito, and he also mysteriously retired and managed to avoid fighting all those beasts at welterweight while they were in their prime as well.

Posted June 22, 2013 7:19 pm 

$1 Bill

I already told you why Tszyu didn’t move up. Because he wanted to clean out the super lightweight division and unify all the titles.

Tszyu was not a big super lightweight either. He made the weight comfortably.

He wanted to move up and try and repeat the trick at welterweight too after the Mitchell rematch. He was actually set to fight Cory Spinks for his WBA & IBF titles, but Judah put an end to any hopes of that happening a few months later when he beat Spinks so Tszyu ended up going over to England to fight Hatton for a big pay day instead.

Posted June 22, 2013 7:04 pm 

$1 Bill

Mosley would’ve obviously been much more confident of beating De La Hoya than he would’ve been of beating Tszyu because he’d already done so twice before in the unpaid ranks. Tszyu was rightfully considered one of the greatest amateurs of all time and like I told you both Mosley, Mayweather and De La Hoya all held him in the highest possible regard. I’ve seen video footage and read interviews corroborating that. Mayweather considered him the best fighter on the planet, that’s how highly he rated him. Remember Tszyu completely schooled Mosley’s bogey man Vernon Forrest in the world championships, Forrest did the same to Mosley in the amateurs too.

Posted June 22, 2013 7:03 pm 

$1 Bill

Tszyu’s name barely ever crossed Mosley’s lips. He could’ve moved up at any time when he was the king at lightweight. A big over the king at super lightweight would’ve been a damn sight more conducive to helping him prove himself to the imaginary people who were holding him back than beating Eduardo Morales, Wilfredo Ruiz, Golden Johnson or any of the other lightweights he defended his title against. He could’ve fought Tszyu and De La Hoya if he really wanted to. Beating Tszyu would only have increased his pulling power in the De La Hoya fight and put more money in the pot for all parties concerned.

Posted June 22, 2013 7:00 pm 

$! Bill


Of course Mosley is going to have a list of excuses for why he completely skipped past super lightweight when Tsyzu was king there. Do you expect him to come right out and openly admit it?

And Don’t be so naive he could’ve moved up whenever he wanted to.

You forgot to mention Mosley was a PED cheater. I’m sure he would’ve given Tszyu all he could handle when he was pumped full of EPO.

And for the second time, Mosley didn’t fight De La Hoya when he moved up to welterweight, he fought a past it Wilfredo Rivera and a Willy Wise who was on a 1-3 run.

Posted June 22, 2013 6:58 pm 


Exiled Yank on vac – GREAT POSTS!

Posted June 22, 2013 10:47 am 

Exiled Yank on vacation

I think DLH is loading the WW and SWW divisions as much as he can with his fighters to get a crack at toppling FM. He’s even postioning Broner for a shot. If Broner proves himself in the division with a win over PM and a solid defense, then I would like to FM fight him. I think it would make a hell of a match, if Broner proves himself a bit.

Posted June 22, 2013 9:12 am 

Exiled Yank on vacation

Junio – Great post about KT. FM couldn’t fight KT because of injuries. After making ZJ do the chicken dance, KT had to pull out of fights and had belts stripped because of injuries. When he came back he had two mandatory defenses: one against the interim IBF champ Sharmba Mitchell and the second against his number 1 IBF contender, Hatton. There was never a time when FM could have fought KT. You also make a good point about SSM not fighting KT, in fact, he completely leaped over the 140 division.

Posted June 22, 2013 9:09 am 

Exiled Yank on vacation

Bears – FM fake retired? He cleaned out the division when he retired. SSM wouldn’t fight him, he had just beaten DLH at 154, Williams was a blown-up nobody cherry picking WW’s when he should have been a MW himself, Margo was making noise, but he was cheating the whole time, Pac was no where near 147 and had just beat Diaz for a flimsy 135 WBC title – in fact he only moved to 147 to fight DLH – Martinez was a nobody fighting at 154, and Cotto was at 140 with Arum protecting him from FM. The WW division was silent when FM “fake” retired. The only fighter at 147 that FM should have fought at the time is Berto. Once 147 came to life, he came back. As for not fighting Pac, there are problems on both side of the negotiations and you can’t blame just one fighter. They are both to blame for that fight falling through – along with Arum. I’m still hacked over that fight not taking place and it will haunt both their legacies.

Posted June 22, 2013 9:02 am 


Bears – Blow me!

Posted June 21, 2013 5:58 pm 


Perhaps one day you’ll be man enough to quote me but right now, get over it. I’ve made my point and we should all just move on.

Posted June 21, 2013 5:19 pm 


” Hi mom “. Happy now, can we move on ?

Posted June 21, 2013 2:34 pm 


Agreed. Back to boxing!

Posted June 21, 2013 2:17 pm 

? aka Angie

Oh no DURAN, come on !!! Not this again !

Posted June 21, 2013 2:14 pm 

? aka Angie

Wow, you guys are really cool.

Posted June 21, 2013 2:12 pm 


Apology accepted. It was a very stereotypical remark. Let’s get back to boxing. Canelo is a BEAST. Mosley, to lopez, to trout. Yikes 22 years old and that BEASTLY. I’m just happy mayweather took the fight. If may does win, for me there will be a lot of credit to him. As the fight gets closer you will hear more and more pro’s around the sport and analysts weighing in positively for canelo and his chances. Were already seeing it now. This would be great to get emmanuel stewards perspective right now. He talked about how beastly caelo was at 21 years old against mosley. He was ringside at the fight for hbo

Posted June 21, 2013 1:55 pm 


Hidalgo – I agree, you correct. ” some Whites” should have been my comment and on that note I’d like to apologise if I offended anybody. Can we get back to boxing.

Posted June 21, 2013 11:57 am 


Floyd was forced to take this fight due to horrible PPV numbers against Guerrero where Showtime took a big loss.

Posted June 21, 2013 11:29 am 


I’m starting to think Canelo will win this fight. The kid is talented. Intelligent, hits hard. He’s bigger, stronger and has great vision in the ring. He stands in the pocket with great defense, ready to throw an 8 punch combo at any time. Canelo is from a boxing family just like Floyd and started boxing at a young age. He’s got 12 older brothers, all professional fighters. He’s got a professional team around him and seems to be in a good place.
The logical result is a points victory for Floyd, staying far away the entire fight, pop shotting, never letting Canelo get his punches off.
Canelo will win if he is able to counter Floyd’s lead right hand and if he’s able to corner Floyd, make him stationary and land punches. The kid is seasoned enough not to panic in such a huge event like Ortiz did.

Posted June 21, 2013 11:26 am 


Can Canelo beat Mayweather without knocking him out? Not a chance, punchers chance is all he has. Judging by FM snr physical condition looks like Fathertime is not any closer to calling Floyd in.

Posted June 21, 2013 9:20 am 

The Man With No Name

But they always hate the best current ones. They especially can’t handle it if they’ve beaten up lots of brothas or rule a division.

Posted June 21, 2013 7:52 am 

The Man With No Name

Sredmond hates white fighters. This is very typical of Floyd fans

Posted June 21, 2013 7:40 am 


Posted June 21, 2013 7:39 am 


? YOU ARE SO correct.

A true boxing fan supports boxers for their skill, courage, aggression, defensive brilliance, perserverance, charisma, doggedness, flawlessness, speed, durability, movement, punch-selection, ring generalship, ability to punch with power, ability to absorb powerful blows, ability to dominate, crowd pleasing, will to succeed, ability to come back from the brink -time and again, for their back-story, ability to unite their people…. The list goes on and I can name you countless boxers in each category, and some that straddle nearly all these categories….

Bottom line is you should be in to boxing for these reasons and NOT for the colour of skin or gender of the boxer.

If you only support a fighter for the colour of his/her skin then you ARE NOT a TRUE fan of boxing, but a coat-tail riding buffoon!!!!

My favourite boxers encompass all colours and creeds and regions of the globe:


I also loved watching boxers of the Far east including JIRO WATANABE, SOT CHITALADA, SUN-KIL MOON and the likes of SANTOS LACIAR as well as CHARLIE MAGRI, COLIN JONES and many more.

All of the above I was lucky enough to enjoy as i g ot into boxing in the 1980’s… 1981 to be exact!

Of the era after this I pickl FINITO, Marco Antonio Barrera, Miguel Cotto, Israel Vazquez….

Boxing fans shouldn’t be fans because of a boxer’s colour….. You can support your countrymen, but seriously if a man/ woman is class they are class.

If you can’t see that then you are an (insert comment here -clue – rhymes with class, but means the opposite) ****!

Posted June 21, 2013 7:34 am 


Could you guys stop now this Racism BS ?

Posted June 21, 2013 6:42 am 


Canelo landed the most punches on mosely of al mosley opponents. Uh oh. Were getting more and more stats and comparissons. Mosely even jacked mayweather up! Lol. Yeah, canelo looked better both in offense and not being vulnerable to mosley. I think canelo can ragdoll floyd. I don’t think floyds a powerhouse by anymeans. I’m glad floyd picked this fight. If floyd wins big props. If canelo wins HUGE PROPS. In the end I’m impressed with whoever wins bar controversey

Posted June 21, 2013 5:40 am 


When you conquer a land its yours by the ancient rules of war. Look at africa. You have french, dutch, english, and even italian went in and wrecked shop and took that turd. Whites run the world. That’s just the way is. Every system every science. And the 1%. Yeah, its white. Your hating it

Posted June 21, 2013 5:30 am 


Typo – I am in Africa. You are a VIRUS that has spread all over America and now you act like you are it’s rightfull owner and should tell the rest where to get off. Unfortunate but true. Are you Americas rightfull owner? Where do you get off tellin me where I should go. Tarzan is not the king of the jungle you’re tosser.

Posted June 21, 2013 5:15 am 


God dude. Jay nady must have told mosley to watch his head a million times in canelo vs mosley. You gotta listen to lampley, merchant, and steward praise canelos skill and especially his power

Posted June 21, 2013 5:15 am 


Veracity – LMFAO! I am from Africa dumb ass, and I pay for my mortgage, healthcare, education, food, drinks and weed ( ok the weed is tax free).

Posted June 21, 2013 4:58 am 


Carlos Monzon put a tremendous beating on Napoles. Canelo could use a tip or two from that fight

Posted June 21, 2013 4:52 am 


Bears – I’d like to know his bet for Pac vs Rios.

Posted June 21, 2013 4:35 am 


Brandon rios traner has a 500 dollar bet canelo wil ko floyd.

Posted June 21, 2013 4:31 am 


Rocky is awesome dude. Good on sylvester for having a statue and AND being in the hall of fame. Big sylvester ad rocky fan. Also I’m sitting here watching canelo vs mosely on my high def big screen. That trainer who’s been training mosely and hopkins. Nazeem I believe his name is. Dde looks like a gremlin strait outta the 80s movie gremlins! Check this guy out. I swear google a picture of each. Too funny!

Posted June 21, 2013 4:25 am 


I love Rocky and Sly just like any other movie fan but I’m not about to support idiots who believe a fictitious character deserves a boxing statue over real warriors like Joe Frazier and if that makes me anti White then so be it.

Posted June 21, 2013 4:04 am 


Great post TARK. I enjoy quality posts with well written pieces of history, it’s rare these days on ESB with dudes like SREDMOND and Q posting hundreds of BS posts with nothing to em. Keep it up!

Posted June 21, 2013 3:27 am 

The Man With No Name

You fools can keep telling everyone how great Floyd is and how much money he earns but it’s not going to do you any good. His career is all smoke and mirrors. He’a a very good fighter who was too chicken to test himself against the best. He’s only a legend in his own head and in your wildest dreams.

Posted June 21, 2013 12:59 am 

The Man With No Name

It’s way too obvious it’s you you sad case

Posted June 21, 2013 12:43 am 

The Man With No Name

Shut up SREDMOND. Post under your real name you coward

Posted June 21, 2013 12:42 am 


Lol, you guys write books to try to talk shnit on Floyd while he’s laughing all the way to the bank… and the HOF… first ballot. Get over it. The guy’s a legend and considered the primer fighter of this era by 99% of the “experts” and the greatest of all time by some (don’t tell me about it, Paulie M and Robert Garcia said it recently). I’ve cited the testing story, but if you guys want to go on “Manny said this” hearsay, go for it a##hole, jaja. Meanwhile I could see Manny of two years ago losing to Canelo at 152. Just saying.

Posted June 21, 2013 12:30 am 


“I don’t hate you and you’re one undesirable mtf.” LMAO!

Posted June 20, 2013 10:56 pm 


“Hating Hidalgo would banish one of our foremost whipping boys and perpetually frustrated Mayweather HATERS, its best to keep this DOG on the porch so that he can be reguarly kicked when he barks too loud..” Eh? Banish? What, am I a king now?

Posted June 20, 2013 10:54 pm 

Proud African

Steve, you’re an idiot.

Posted June 20, 2013 9:59 pm 


Trouts a TERRIBLE Proxy for Mayweather he’s a guy with very little experience and his hands and feet don’t move nearly as quickly… Canelo is gonna look like he is wearing a pair of Timberlands in that ring…Canelo did NOT even dominate Trout as you listen to most ringsiders this is an easy night looming for FMJ…

Posted June 20, 2013 9:54 pm 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Canelo has a good shot at the upset here. His speed and skills are being grossly underestimated by many writers and posters on ESB. I’ve said this before and I’ll keep saying it until fight night: If Canelo is able to land the same type of shots on Floyd that Cotto did…. FMJ is going to take a seat on the canvas at least once — or even worse. People are not giving Trout nearly enough credit just because he was outboxed by Canelo. Trout was a LEGIT World Champion at 154lbs.

Trout is taller, longer, and stronger than FMJ. He’s also fast and slick with great footwork, so is hard to hit. The fact that Trout beat Cotto worse than FMJ did, is no coincidence. But styles make fights and Canelo’s style is all his own. Although FMJ has great defensive skills, he is NOT untouchable. And when Canelo touches guys, he tends to hurt them — whether it’s to the body or to the head. Don’t be fooled by Canelo’s 70% KO ratio. He knocks guys down all the time, but doesn’t always finish. If Canelo scores 2 or 3 10-8 rounds, he doesn’t have to get the stoppage or win the majority of rounds to win on the cards.

Prediction: FMJ by controversial decision because it’s gonna be his own home town, home country and he practically owns half of Vegas. Be prepared for a robbery, Canelo fans. Real talk.

Posted June 20, 2013 6:10 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

I recognize all roads lead to Floyd Mayweather, and I’m a honky…

Posted June 20, 2013 5:57 pm 

Proud African

Floyd Mayweather’s defensive skills will frustrate Canelo. Canelo tends to tire after a few rounds. After that he’ll be roasted alive by Mayweather with his accurate shots.

Posted June 20, 2013 5:07 pm 


Canelo may be too big, strong, and tough for Floyd…

Jose Napoles was an ATG master boxer—but when he moved up in weight to fight Carlos Monzon he got beaten right through the floorboards… Monzon walked through Jose’s punches like somebody was dusting his chin with talcum powder—and every punch Monzon landed was murdering Napoles.

Paul Williams had never been stopped and was supposed to have a great chin. His reputation didn’t bother Sergio Martinez. In the rematch Sergio went gunning for the KO similar to Matthysse versus Peterson. Sergio was looking to annihilate Williams. He knew his was bigger and stronger and talked about knocking Williams out well before the fight. His concentration was pretty intense for that fight. He was like a laser beam in there.

Marquez fought as a featherweight for 14 years. He got tired of losing close decisions to the extremely popular Pacquiao… JMM hired a strength trainer to increase his size and strength. Then he laid in the weeds for Pacquiao—looking to blast him TFO.

Canelo may have a KO finish in mind. I would have Canelo pepper Floyd with flurries of light punches for 2 rounds to throw Floyd off. Steal those rounds. Then look to annihilate Floyd for the next 3 rounds. Boxer-punchers have the most versatile styles and can execute virtually any strategy there is.

Posted June 20, 2013 4:45 pm 


Briscoe, I agreed !

Posted June 20, 2013 4:16 pm 



{quote} t’s all about the perspective of the end user ie the fan… When people attain celebrity we sometimes assign them roles…..


Posted June 20, 2013 4:09 pm 


Briscoe, why do you think you can accuse me of X, Y or Z and go unpunished? This is not the way of the World my mentally WEAK friend…! What about me suggests that I would lay down and let an imbecile such as yourself attack my character?? Again I am FINE with sparring but WHINERS disgust me you have a decision to make either press on and deal with the forthcoming abuse or cease and desist? It’s your call I don’t mind pile driving you into the message board if that’s what you wish but I’d you are gonna hurl accusations then either duck or defend but DONT act like woman’s bloody gash! It both stinks and is foul to look at… Do you understand the terms of your imminent surrender?

Posted June 20, 2013 4:05 pm 


I just wonder when did certain people become fans of these fighters, for example:

I first became a fan of Floyd when he was fighting at 130. When he was “Pretty Boy Floyd.” Even if part of his main goal was Money (which there is nothing wrong with that because I like that too)…for me, looking from the outside in…it was the incredible skill-set that I took notice with Floyd.
I don’t think that is quite the same with some others who may have picked up watching Floyd when he became “Money May.”

Are they admiring his ability or are they admiring what he has required from that ability?

Posted June 20, 2013 4:02 pm 


Sredmond debates himself ! That’s pathetic ! LMAO !

Posted June 20, 2013 3:59 pm 


Junio, it’s all about the perspective of the end user ie the fan… When people attain celebrity we sometimes assign them roles that they did not ask for ie role model ect…If people derive positive benefit or inspiration from an entertainer that’s Great!! But it’s not the first order of business which is excelling at the chosen craft.. Also in life you can NEVER please everyone so staying true to self while not directly harming others is each persons right in my estimation…

Posted June 20, 2013 3:58 pm 



On the flip side, through “entertainment,” the hard work, perseverance, a story unfolding, and so on, we can say “inspiring” others is a form of helping others. So even “entertainers” have their part.

A book, a Movie, a character role, an athletic performance, etc…may inspire someone to get up and do something and alter their life-path.

There is really a lot to it all and I’m still trying to figure some things out.

Posted June 20, 2013 3:53 pm 


Junio, while I respect the “Spiritual/Existential” aspect of your point I am just discussing COLD HARD facts…. There is NO loss of perspective these guys entertain and that is what it is…!

Posted June 20, 2013 3:23 pm 


Notice how relevant discussion of Mayweathers success brings out the RAGE in NUTS like Haimat… Who’s envy has driven him BLIND with RAGE and disdain… These are the ACUTE symptoms of the HATER… The bristle at ALL demonstrable metrics which refute their point… Being unbeaten is a SIN to these dogs, being P4P #1 is a SIN to these DOGS, and making more $$$$$ than Jesus (We don’t know if he exists is a SIN to these DOGS”…. But we will POUND these fiction writers until their backs CRACK under the YOKE of reality… LMAO!! Thats for amusing me today “DoorMat/Haimat”

Posted June 20, 2013 3:20 pm 



Although I understand what you are trying to say we should never forget the other side to it: Money isn’t quite everything for demand.

For example: there was a great story I recall hearing about One Famous “Entertainer” and a person who lets just say, “waited on him.”
It went something like this (and I hope I got the story right):

A patient by the name of Erik Weisz lays in a hospital bed, ill, awaiting the Doctor. The doctor walks in amazed to see his patient, Erik Weisz, or should I say, Harry Houdini- Stunt performer, Entertainer, World Famous Magician.

The Doctor is thrilled to see The Great Houdini and tells Houdini this: What you do is amazing and Houdini looks back at him and says, NO, what you do is amazing…I’m only an entertainer.

Something like that.

Posted June 20, 2013 3:17 pm 


LOL SREDMOND, pathetic. Pathetic!

Posted June 20, 2013 3:15 pm 


DOORMAT/Haimat…. loosen your bra and take a BREATH why does discussion of another mans success make you so hostile and jealous?? These are matters of public record that are relevant to the discussion and BADLY refute the notion that the Boxing consumer agrees with your assertion that Floyd is the most hated man in the sport…You are a LOWLY DOG and as such subject to the lash that has just been administered…:)

Posted June 20, 2013 3:13 pm 


Junio, while Pacquiao was 3rd World Country poor and certainly rose from the ashes to Superstardo… Floyd Mayweather was born into aborrhent circumstances as well, A mother on Drugs, a Father who sold the mother Drugs and did REAL time and was shot… At the end of the day putting a value judgement on another persons pain or internal struggle is a dubious proposition… Just like Pacquiao, Mayweather had 1000 reasons to fail but he didn’t and even as he has created adversity for himself and endured the inevitable pitfalls of Stardom he keeps WINNING…. Pacquiao was at the APEX of his popularity when he succumbed to vices that are under discussed, women, gambling etc.. Personally I could care less but eventually his myriad distractions might have played a role in his fight game slipping… Mayweather is 2 years OLDER and yet has never let his flashy lifestyle stop him at his chosen profession… Ray Leonard, Oscar, Hatton, and others ALL succumbed to the lure of Cocaine and other vices… Floyd Mayweather is still the Grandmaster at 36 and when the tallies are in he has acheived 17 years without a SINGLE loss… People are enamored iwth his record because we are NOT used to it… Manny is GREAT but LONG ago could not cut it on several nights whereas whatever drives FMJ has kept him ahead of the game for 44 bouts 21 of which were World Title fights producing 3 lineal Championships and belts in 5 divisions…There are ONLY so many excuses to explain away GREATNESS INCARNATE…

Posted June 20, 2013 3:10 pm 


It’s interesting to see the difference in feelings Pac showed after his loss compared to some of the fans.
One Person, the Fighter, the Champion, the Poor kid who rose to Stardom and beat the odds…understood what life is about…what the fight game is about… while “some” of the others…well…they haven’t shown the character Pac has.

And that’s something SREDMOND I would say Floyd himself should look carefully at when he feels like he did have everything in life or isn’t given the respect he may feel he deserves: While Floyd was groomed in America for Stardom…trained by a Pro Boxer, his Father, and a World Champion Uncle, Roger, and a second uncle who has a good head on his shoulders, Roger…despite which part of the country he grew up in or what his family life was about…compared to Pac’s upbringing…I would say that’s a much bigger advantage for Floyd than Pac.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:53 pm 


LOL Sredmond, the comedian :)

Posted June 20, 2013 2:53 pm 


SREDMOND, what has that got to do with anything? How is it relevant to what I was talking about? Do you think my motives for criticizing Floyd and his overzealous fans like you and the others I mentioned are born out of envy and jealously? More power to him for making a success out of his life I say. But I don’t see how it has any bearing on your life or mine. He’s the one who enjoys the fruits of his labour not you or I.

I don’t have much in the grand scheme of things. I own my own home and live in a reasonably nice area, I enjoy my job, and I have a beautiful wife and a young daughter. I’m happy with what I have. I’m never going to have Floyd’s riches but I feel blessed to be in the position I’m in. Can you say the same about your life? You don’t strike me as someone who’s satisfied with their life at all. I get the distinct impression that you’re a very unhappy and lonely person. All I see when I read your posts is extreme bitterness, anger and hate.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:48 pm 


I’m from South Africa bro.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:47 pm 


Gotcha man!

Posted June 20, 2013 2:40 pm 


Ah. I’m from Philly.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:36 pm 


Junio, I live in Brooklyn NYC…

Posted June 20, 2013 2:31 pm 



Are you from Philly?

Posted June 20, 2013 2:20 pm 



Wait, wait….who is from Philly?

Posted June 20, 2013 2:19 pm 


Hating Hidalgo would banish one of our foremost whipping boys and perpetually frustrated Mayweather HATERS, its best to keep this DOG on the porch so that he can be reguarly kicked when he barks too loud..

Posted June 20, 2013 2:18 pm 


The thing is, if it was going to be that easy, then Floyd would have voided the additional drug testing request and just fought him. He could have just used the failure on Pac’s part to participate in additional testing as promotion and taunts during the fight…but carefully since he was sued. But you can get around that by continually asking him certain questions instead of accusing.

Fight and beat him.

But did Floyd do this? NO.

Now Should he have? I’m not sure. It’s a lot to risk. Like Paulie M. said: Unlike others who are willing to fight Pac without additional testing, Floyd vs. Pac would solidify who is the best.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:17 pm 


Hidalgo – nah Hilda, hate is a strong word, hate is not gonna enlighten those fools from Philly nor you. I don’t hate you and you’re one undesirable mtf.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:11 pm 


Pacquiaos FLAWS as a fighter play right into Mayweathers hands I ALWAYS said that… And the death knell would be his short arms vs Floyds 72 inch reach and similar handspeed…The best of Manny threw 6 to land 2 1/2 Mayweather throws 4 to land 2 who is gonna have the BEST counterpunching opportunities? Marquez was able to mute Mannys aggression with tactical retaliation on many occasions… Floyd would take it to the next level and shut his store DOWN… I love Pacquiao but Floyd is the WORST matchup in the world for him at 147… Besides we are talking about a guy who got knocked out worse than Roy Jones trying to make a comeback, its disrespectful to put him in the ring with the BEST fighter on Planet Earth…

Posted June 20, 2013 2:09 pm 


don’t be fooled:

You are saying the same as others. Are you the same?

Posted June 20, 2013 2:05 pm 


Yeah EVERYBODY is “SREDMOND” according to the CRUSHED and DEPRESSED elements on this board… Are you guys that fearful and paranoid of me? or do you think I’m “Kaiser Sose” from “Usual Suspects” LMFAO!

Posted June 20, 2013 2:04 pm 

don’t be fooled

Junio IS Sredmond. But nice comedy :)

Posted June 20, 2013 1:58 pm 



The Majority of Pro Boxers and Trainers picked Floyd over Pac. However, Fans and maybe throwing in writers in there, their opinions did seem even.

I think people wondered with Pac’s speed, ability to land from different angles, use of combinations, his and his stamina, if that would have bothered Floyd.

JMM, like Floyd, is a great counter-puncher. Floyd has the advantage in reach and I would even say crisper shots. However, JMM is more than willing to engage and counter while being attacked. Floyd isn’t always. So JMM and Floyd aren’t quite alike.

With Floyd, what he does have better than JMM is the Jab and movement. However, for a bit, he wasn’t moving around or using his Jab except when his Sr. was around in the gym.
He was around when he fought JMM and it showed. Not around when he fought Cotto and it showed.

JMM/Pac were always close fights. Many did think it would have been competitive and it would have been big for boxing yet both Team Pac and team Mayweather screwed up one of the biggest fights in history.

That’s a knock on them both.

Posted June 20, 2013 1:54 pm 


Briscoe, I didn’t pay Floyd Mayweather 85 mill last year so apparently he has ALOT more supporters than just me.. In fact name ANOTHER boxer who the public supported so vigorously with their wallets?

Posted June 20, 2013 1:46 pm 


No wonder, Sredmond, Junio, Q, Public Enemy, Correctamundo are one and the same.

Posted June 20, 2013 1:43 pm 


The Mayweather/Pacquiao bout has proven to be a FAR bigger loss to Pacquiao who has seen his stock and FACE crash into the canvas since his peak relevance.. I’m a HUGE Manny fan and I hope that he can reclaim some of his lost luster but Mayweather has FIRMLY established himself as the premier talent of this generation and MOST others…No matter how guys try and slice it his last 2 bouts with Marquez raised questions that eroded the relatively brief perception that he was a dangerous adversary for Mayweather…How much of a chance would ANY knowledgeable boxing fan give Pacquiao against Mayweather or even Canelo who would really be TOO big for him? NOT much getting LAID out by a guy that Mayweather BLANKED after 21 months out of the ring is simply BAD press for Pac Man… Marquez proved to be nothing more than a TUNEUP despite his Greatness Mayweather aside… The avalanche of excuses creates such belly laughs within me I applaud the inept Spin Doctors on here trying to sell the matters….Pacquiao does NOT earn the type of cash that Mayweather is banking and his NEW contract makes the old fight seem like a distant memory… Would I have liked to have seen the bout when it was still viable? Of course it would have been a terrific feather in Mayweathers cap as he boxed Manny senseless… Top Rank , and Golden Boy DO NOT Work together and this transcends Mayweather/Pacquiao each company would rather go out of business than sit across the table from eachother… What is the LAST high profile matchup they set up? Both Camps are to blame, that is how history will see it but ONE man kept on rising and maintaining his status another is ONE loss away from being a “Has Been” even though he is 2 years younger…. Floyd Mayweather RULES boxing due to his skill, popularity, unbeaten record and economic clout and until someone bests him in the ring he CANNOT be bested by simpletons on a message board… Just Say’in!

Posted June 20, 2013 1:40 pm 


Briscoe – you are LAME & hopeless.

Posted June 20, 2013 1:37 pm 



Ah, NO.

Floyd isn’t perfect despite his record.

Posted June 20, 2013 1:20 pm 


Flomos in full spin mode again.

Floyd can do no wrong in the eyes of Q, Sredmond, Happyboy, Junio, Peej.

Posted June 20, 2013 1:10 pm 


Junio reminds me of Sredmond ;)

Posted June 20, 2013 1:08 pm 



So Pac is innocent in all of this?
He has had a clean career?

Lost to Morales. Morales moves up because of weight issues and loses to Zahir Raheem. Instead of fighting Raheem, Pac fights Morales (who didn’t look the same…but maybe the first Pac fight took something out of him…maybe).

Controversial fight with JMM. Instead of making an immediate rematch like another boxer did when he was in a similar situation, Pac decided to not fight JMM for how many years?

Pac moved up to fight Diaz. Was Diaz the best in the division?

Pac fights Hatton but after Hatton is KO”d by Floyd and looks horrible against Lazcano. He does beat Paulie but Paulie wasn’t much of a threat.

Moves up to 147 to fight a deflated Oscar.

Avoided Mosley after Mosley destroyed Margarito. And fought him after Mosley lost to Floyd and looked bad against Mora.

Fights Cotto after Margarito destroyed him.

Fights Margarito After Margarito was destroyed by Mosley.

Offered how many millions to fight Floyd?

What was Arum’s part in this?
He wasn’t going to take the buyout.

Best thing would have been to seek out an independent arbitrator which was suggest and something Arum turned down.

Alex Ariza came right out against Arum on why the fight wasn’t made.

Cotto makes the fight with Floyd After he leaves Arum and makes his biggest payday. Coincidence?

We can do this with a lot of fighters.

Posted June 20, 2013 12:56 pm 


#I think anyone that know the history and floyds numerous and altering demands and even floyds history of ducking, cherrypicking, and fake retireing is gonna think floyd is culpable and rightfully so. Then you have his groupies like redmond who say things like “so what if he wants 2 take a break he fights on his own schedule”…..this is a pathetic attempt to wright a pass for the aforementioned ducking, cherry picking, ad fake retireing. The groupies swore it was not floyds fault again I said they ddnt know what they were talkn about. Then they got the espn first take video with stephen a smith rammed down therir throats an they change there tune to “well u can only say floyd ducked pac”…..well folks their wrong agan and have again shown they don’t know what the hell their talkn about. Like peej, and Q etc#

Posted June 20, 2013 12:42 pm 


Shane Mosley and Tszyu:

Article: Shane Mosley & Kostya Tszyu: Boxing’s Smiling Assassins by Paul Upham

Mosley was reminded that in 1999 he relinquished his IBF lightweight world title to move directly to welterweight. After two tune-up fights, he secured his “Destiny” super fight with Oscar De La Hoya in June 2000, one of the best nights of his career when he won a twelve round points decision in a magnificent battle.

“A great night,” said Mosley. “That’s the fight that first made me the most money. I thought I won the fight, but thought they might give the decision to Oscar.”

Mosley shook his head and smiled when asked if jumping straight from lightweight to welterweight and bypassing Tszyu, who was the WBC world champion at the time, had been on purpose.

“I was really a 140lbs fighter fighting at 135,” he explained. “When I first turned pro, what I wanted to do was win the lightweight title, then go to 140 and fight for a little bit, then go to 147. What happened was they kept me at 135, after I fought Philip Holiday. They kept me down there to make me prove myself. After I fought John Brown, it was just too much. Then I got the chance to move straight to welterweight and the fight with Oscar.”

Posted June 20, 2013 12:42 pm 


$1 Bill

When was Floyd supposed to fight him?

Floyd was always around the weight of the division he fought in except for the Chavez fight. Other than that, he made the weight comfortably.

He fought Diego Corrales who was a big name and a big fight in 2001 at 130 pounds.

Floyd fought Castillo in 2002 for the 135 title. Two fights with him ended that year.

It wasn’t until 2004 did Floyd move up to 140 and he wasn’t going to get an immediate fight with Tszyu given Floyd was no in position to do so. Not only because of the difference in networks but Floyd had yet o fight at 140.

Tszyy was rarely fighting in the 2000’s.

Tszyu blew the fight just like he did with Oscar.

The end.

Posted June 20, 2013 12:32 pm 


I think its what I said. Floyds primarily culpable and anyone who knows the history would agree. Ample info on the history out there.

Posted June 20, 2013 12:26 pm 


*I think anyone that know the history and floyds numerous and altering demands and even floyds history of ducking, cherrypicking, and fake retireing is gonna think floyd is culpable and rightfully so. Then you have his sack danglers like redmond who say things like “so what if he wants 2 take a break he fights on his own schedule”…..this is a pathetic attempt to righ a pass for the aforementioned ducking, cherry picking, ad fake retireing. The sack danglers swore it was not floyds fault again I said they ddnt know what they were talkn about. Then they got the espn first take video with stephen a smith rammed down therir throats an they change there tune to “well u can only say floyd ducked pac”…..well folks their wrong agan and have again shown they don’t know what the hell their talkn about. Like peej, and Q etc*

Posted June 20, 2013 12:24 pm 


$1 Bill:

Who did Tszyu fight?

What network was he fighting on?

What network was Shane and Oscar fighting on?

And again, why didn’t Tszyu move up to 147 when it was loaded with Talent and Money to be made?

Are you saying who he fought were better than who was at 147 at the time?

Look at who Oscar and Shane fought. Why would either of them “duck” Tszyu?

And then look at who Tszyu fought.

Posted June 20, 2013 12:19 pm 


spartacus 65:

Athletes should not be allowed to “negotiate” drug testing. It defeats the purpose. you leave the protocol to the professionals who are trained to “deter” and hopefully catch “cheaters.” And that goes for “Event” Testing which is what Floyd and now others are requiring for fights.

Overall, they should all be doing Year Round and Random. They have the money so there should be no problem.

It’s incredible that Pac now wants additional testing.

You don’t’ say you are going to do it…you go ahead and do it with or without Floyd.

Posted June 20, 2013 12:12 pm 


$1 Bill :

Tszyu got nailed by Phillips because his defense started to lack as he matured into the Pro scene.

Shane was fast, powerful, and could punch in combinations. He also has a very good chin. He would have given Tszyu all he could handle.

Shane was having trouble making weight. This was on record. He hated fighting so low and thought he should have actually started around 140. But by the time he decided to jump, he wanted Oscar and got him.

Oscar was a bigger Fight than Tszyu.
Oscar was a Gold Medalist. World Champion in more than one weight division. And was the most popular lighter weight fighter at the time which meant…BIG MONEY.

Tszyu was a big 140 pounder too yet he didn’t move up.

and again, Flody did not duck Tszyu. Tszyu had trouble ducking Hatton’s punches.

Tszyu blew two big fights, Oscar and Floyd, by losing to two underdogs, Phillips and Hatton.

Posted June 20, 2013 12:03 pm 



I think a lot more people have come to the conclusion it was on Bob Arum more than the fighters.

Even Alex Ariza came out against Arum and didn’t know why Pac didn’t sign on to fight Floyd given what was offered.

Cotto leaves Arum and immediately makes the fight with Floyd and is given his highest payday to date.

Robert Garcia recently mentioned why fighters can’t fight one another and it was done to promoters.

Floyd was never going to allow Arum to get his hands on the promotional side of things. He doesn’t need Arum. And Arum wasn’t going to allow Floyd to get the deal he wants.

Pac should have never resigned with Arum. And Pac should have not only agreed to an increased testing, he should have forced year round testing and got Floyd to do it.
Lastly, as far as the financial part, Schaefer. had the best idea which was to bring in an independent arbitrator in to look over the books and decide on who gets what.

Other than that, nobody really knows why this fight wasn’t made except those on the inside.

People have accused Floyd of ducking fighters for years and when he signs to fight them, they’ll not only downplay the fight, they’ll put down the opponent…or even cheer for the opponent and then put him down when he loses…all just to knock Floyd.

Posted June 20, 2013 11:56 am 


I started out not liking Mayweathers personality, but knew he was a great boxer, now the fact is that Mayweather is one of the best boxers ever, I can’t prove it, but he finds the win against any type of opponent every time.

Now it is problematic, but I agree with Sredmond, after the 4th round the kid will be tired, and made look clumsy.

Mayweather has speed advantage, movement advantage, ring intelligence advantage and yes power to weight punching power advantage …so good fight, where Canelo will learn a whole lot from one of the masters of boxing.

A Canelo win over Mayweather, it’s not going to happen, not now, not ever..

I think that Mayweathers return from a weird break, against the Ghost, who people saw as great, proved that the man can win over any opponent any time at any weight. The difference in boxing intelligence is too big.

Canelo may become big, in his style, over time, but we have seen these overweight power punchers, being exposed often, through boxing history.

Canelo has no conditioning, and no defense, sorry, but he won’t do.

Posted June 20, 2013 11:29 am 


Look at all these floyd sack gargler sredmond making all kinds of excuses. “Floyd can retire if he wants to”. Bahahahaha and this guy talks about excuses. All the garglers claim it was pacs fault the fight didn’t happen even though teres mountains of evidence and history of this pattern with floyd. Then we have the espn first take interview and u see its just like I said. These floyd sack garglers didn’t know the real history. Peej, Q, etc. Then they change their tune and say you can only say floyd dodged pac. Guess what there wrong again, waffling, and making excuses and assumptions. Again they dont know what there talkin about. Or like sredmond with the worst reply I seen on the subject mater “floyd fights his own schedule if he wants to take a break so what” the so what floyd sack gargler is floyd has ducked and dodged and fake retired when his division lit up. Has ALWAYS failed to make the best fights happen when he should. And failed pac, williams and martinez. Fake retired. He is the cherry picker dodger we all said he was. That’s why canelo is his toughest opponent to date. A 22 year old kid. And before that who do we say his toughest and best opponent was a heavily worn, thoroughly beatdown, cotto who trout looked better against? Bahaahahahahahahahah you sack garglers can create a fantasy worl elsewhere. Here we talk reality

Posted June 20, 2013 11:18 am 

$1 Bill

SREDMOND, your comment is laughable. Actually, that can be said of all of your comments I’ve read.

Posted June 20, 2013 11:11 am 

$1 Bill

I didn’t say or mean to imply De La Hoya ducked Tszyu, I said like Mayweather and Mosley he held him in the highest regard. I know this because I’ve heard all three of them lavish praise on him. Mayweather said he thought Tszyu was the #1 best fighter in sport.

I’ve no interest in going through the whole Pacqiuao saga again. It’s been done to death. It was a blatant a duck as can be on Mayweather’s part and that’s all there is to it. If you disagree, fine. But you’re part of a tiny minority.

Posted June 20, 2013 11:08 am 


” Cause that n***** didn’t know his place.” OMG SRedmond, look what Happyboy said! OMG! OMG! OMG! Aren’t you going to accuse him of being a coward for not having the backbone to SAY the word! LMAO! On another note, Happyboy, your hatred of whites precedes you.

Posted June 20, 2013 11:03 am 

$1 Bill

Styles make fights. You should know that. Mosley skipped right by super lightweight division all together when Tszyu was the king there.

When Mosley moved up to welterweight he fought Wilfredo Rivera and Willy Wise, are you going to sit there and tell me they were more impressive scalps than Tszyu would’ve been? A win over Tsyzu would’ve made the De La Hoya clash even more lucrative. Mosley completely skipped by Tszyu’s division, not the other way round. Had he wanted that fight he would not have done that. Tsyzu would’ve been a great scalp for Mosley and once again a mouth watering fight for the fans.

Posted June 20, 2013 10:56 am 


….“This kid is too slow, too mechanical”….

What is all this garbage from Floyd’s jock sniffers??? Floyd lost a couple rounds to Cotto where he was getting wacked with stinging shots by the ATG. Floyd wasn’t looking fast or masterly. Trout beat Cotto by the same margin as Floyd—but Trout didn’t get jabs rammed up his nose.

Cotto couldn’t get good wood on the ball against Trout. The tall slippery southpaw controlled the fight all the way because Cotto’s punches had little impact. Canelo, being more masterful, quicker, stronger, and more versatile than Cotto, got better leather on Trout. Canelo’s punches carried more shock and impact. He hurt Trout several times but never went for the KO. It’s valuable for a 22-year-old kid to get a lot of rounds with a guy like Trout. Saul understands how much you can learn from a peak career slickster—so he let Trout run his shtick. Trout has game.

Although Floyd has fought masterful fighters like Cotto, he’s never faced a young 20-something great boxer with the subtle skills of Trout or Alavarez… This will be a new experience for Floyd.

Obviously—at only 22 years of age—Alvarez hasn’t fought 17 world champions in 5 weight divisions—which means he’s a lot fresher than Floyd and his radar is a tad sharper. It’s going to be tougher to for Floyd to land big than Canelo than vice versa.

Posted June 20, 2013 10:55 am 

$1 Bill

Fair enough if his plans were to try and clean out one division and unify all the belts like Tsyzu, but he wasn’t even interested in doing that. It’s not like he hadn’t fought above the super featherweight division or didn’t plan on moving up through the divisions and becoming a multiple weight champion. He’d even been as high as 9st 8lbs before, that’s only 6lbs below super lightweight where Tszyu .

The fight was there on a platter for him if he wanted it but he never had any intentions of talking it. His uncle Roger told him in no uncertain terms not to mess with that Russian kid and it obviously registered loud and clear. Moving up through the divisions and becoming a multiple weight champion was always part of his plan but when he did so he somehow managed to miss virtually all of his biggest rivals while they were still at their zenith. Coincidence? I think not.

Posted June 20, 2013 10:51 am 

$1 Bill

Junio, realistically Mayweather could’ve fought Tszyu any time from 2002 onwards after the Castillo in the rematch. Tsyzu was the King of a division the Ring magazine regarded the best in the sport. It was the biggest fight out there for Mayweather and he should’ve been all over it like white on rice, but he was too interested in defending his strap against the Victoriano Sosa’s, the Philip Ndou’s and the DeMarcus Corley’s of this world than seeking out the most dangerous challenges for himself. It would’ve been a huge fight and one the fans would’ve been licking their lips in anticipation at the thought of and one which Mayweather would’ve received a great deal of credit for taking.

Posted June 20, 2013 10:47 am 

Proud African

“He’s Julio Cesar Chavez Jr. 2.0.” Lol.. Canelo will shut up after the Mayweather flogging.

Posted June 20, 2013 10:11 am 


Canelos gonna be a VERY EASY fight for Floyd once they are in the 4th round, this kid is too slow, too mechanical relative to Mayweather and he’s never seen anything like this except on videotape.. He also has the BAD fortune of facing Mayweather shortly after he was in the ring and should be extra sharp… Canelos gonna eat a lot of right hands, soon you guys who were lauding him will be downgrading to compensate for the WHIPPING Floyd’s gonna give him…

Posted June 20, 2013 10:05 am 


Haimat, of course Mayweather holds the advantage in experience because he’s 36 and on the tail end If his career..If Floyd was facing a guy 14 years older that he outweighed by 17 pounds you would be crying bloody murder… I think Floyd holds advantages in speed, skill, experience and ring IQ but those assets are still housed in a 36 year old body and in boxing that’s FAR closer to the end than beginning… Of course I’m a Mayweather fan he’s the MOST talented, popular boxer in the sport that’s why you and others are in here riding his bone and trying to conjure up matchups for a fighter you claim you don’t wanna see… Canelos a young, strong kid with a punchers chance but he’s gonna lose because Floyd’s a once or twice in a generation talent…

Posted June 20, 2013 10:01 am 


Negotiations with Pac just backed my testimony that Floyd in fact agreed to a cutoff date for testing but what he didn’t say is that Pac then agreed to a 14 day cutoff point but Floyd then changed his mind (to avoid Pac of course). He also reminded me that Floyd demanded that the USADA be used knowing that the VADA was appropriate since Pac spends the majority of training camp in his home country (to avoid the fight while making a poor attempt to save face for his delusional fans of course). Floyd and his fans have no leg to stand on in this debate. But in the end Pac winning fighter of Floyds prime decade says more than anyone could with words.

Posted June 20, 2013 9:36 am 


I agree with TARK’s post that this will be a tough fight and Floyd needs to fight the smartest fight he could possibly fight to win this fight and it still will be competitive. I see Floyd beating Canelo by SD or close UD.
The kid is strong, talented, intelligent and puts punches together unlike Guerrero. This is a great fight and I’ll tune in with interest to see how it unfolds if Canelo will be able to cut off the ring and land big punches on Floyd? All haters out there who say Canelo is a JCC Jr. copy, don’t know much about the sport of boxing.

Posted June 20, 2013 9:22 am 


And Arum also would not let Cotto fight Mayweather. He knew Mayweather would win. Why do you think the fight was so easily made once Cotto left top rank?

Posted June 20, 2013 9:21 am 


People keep saying he ducked so many prime warriors. Only name that can be said is Pac. And we already know the fight could of happened if Pac would of taken the random testing. People can’t seem to name fighters he ducked. Still waiting on that. And he beat Marquez so can’t say he ducked him. As matter of fact he beat him his first fight after his 2 year retirement

Posted June 20, 2013 9:18 am 


SREDMOND is a fanatic Floyd Mayweather fan/nuthugger. According to his logic, all who don’t worship the man are haters. Do you think the 13 years of pro experience Mayweather holds over Canelo and 100 plus amatuer fights experience is a disadvantage for Mayweather? The poster I see whining on ESB every time I tune in is SREDMOND. It’s a great match-up. Enjoy it instead of whining!

Posted June 20, 2013 9:13 am 


HAPPYBOY, you’ve hit the nail right on the head and we the fans need to get on to them to make sure this sport gets regulated properly.

At the moment it is a license to print money for some promoters at our expense whilst NOT giving us, the fan what we truly want (and not what smoke and mirrors they are looking to sell to us)!

Posted June 20, 2013 8:50 am 


TJ – only once govt intervenes will boxing come right at the moment everything is a mess, hell I don’t even know why they bother with the divisions and rankings when the promoters and networks can pick n choose who should fight who. The fact that govt doesn’t intervene is a worrying matter indeed.

Posted June 20, 2013 8:27 am 


Mayweather taking time out of the ring should have been an advantage to his opponents, getting sued should have been an advantage to his opponents, going to jail should have been an advantage to his opponents… But we are witnessing a once in a generation athlete who is superior to all his perceives peers, we have seen PAC defeated by Morales and a 39 year old version of Marquez destroyed him, Paul Williams who
Belonged at 154 and above was outboxed by Carlos Quintana before getting revenge…. All these fighters have succumbed to fighters they were supposed to defeat whereas Mayweather does NOT slip up nor does he lose… He’s so confident he’s taking on a kid 14 years younger and a min of 15-20 pounds heavier on the ring… It’s to no avail because Canelos gonna be made to look hopeless… Guys whining about what people should watch on PPV need to give it up!!’ if you don’t like the programming change the channel or financially support the fighters you do like…Mayweather is the BIGGEST star in boxing and his last card had De Leon vs Mares which was a very good fight as predicted, he has showcased Canelo before and the two biggest promotional entities in boxing don’t work together and have not for YEARS… Why not enjoy paying for the fights you wanna see and ignoring the rest, no one can force anyone’s hand…

Posted June 20, 2013 8:18 am 


GUYS the real reason why all these so-called fights of recent years – especially PPV – are making our blood boil, with catch weight stipulations, blood testing, fighters deliberately not making contracted weights, deliberately avoiding the pre and post fight testing, avoiding their prime challengers, jumping divisions to”push-in” at the front of queues they have no right to be in front of, sitting on titles until their prime challengers either lose or move up, switch promotional contracts or TV contracts… the list goes on and on…..

Well the real reason this happens is because of us, the fan, the diehard fan and the casual fan as well….

We have allowed ourselves to be BRAINWASHED to accept some of these so-called bouts as PPV!!!! For goodness sake. No disrespect, but most of these bouts touted as PPV should never get anywhere near.

Don King gave us Superfights on supercards with 4 or 5 world title fights on them in the days of Julio Cesar Chavez Snr and Tito Trinidad! Now we have a headline on PPV backed with 3 6 rounders….. Total joke…

PPV should be limited to the cream of the crop and without it might encourage these boxers to fight for their positions (which conversely will assist them to actually learn their trades), instead of sitting round for a year to wait for their payday.

Guys need to earn it and learn their profession and stop being celebrity seekers!

The real way to guarantee this is curtail the power of the promoter (particularly when they align themselves with a boxing body… no need to say who here!

We need to make the organisations once more the power base of the sport, with unified, regulated rules and stop the proliferation of bogus titles being dispensed.

If we can make the bodies strong but HONEST one again we will be able to get all parties to abide by the rules and we won’t have so-called people calling all the shots and holding our beloved sport to ransom.

One suggestion is to compulsorily retire Messrs. Jose Sulaiman from the WBC and Gilberto Mendoza as WBA President and get two fresh bodies in there.

Stop paying for these PPVS and force them to give us value for money by actually facing the best competiton around… Only the top bout should be PPV!

Posted June 20, 2013 7:51 am 


TJ: I agree with most of your comments in this thread;

Everything can happen in a fight, but 9 out of 10 times Mayweather outboxes Canelo.

Thing is that Mayweather has that magical skill -he can create the win, nomatter what, he is a boxing genius.

The judges like Mayweather, Canelo will have to come up with something we did not see in the Trout fight. If Canelo gets tired as fast as he did the last time he fought, he has no chance in hell of beating Mayweather.

In fact this will be an easy fight for Mayweather, against Chavez Jr, sorry Canelo:)

Posted June 20, 2013 7:48 am 


Mayweather a 4 div champ….lol lol lol! What a joke!

Posted June 20, 2013 5:12 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Correction: “retiring for a few years during a time when when some of the most dangerous guys at AROUND his weight-class where in their PRIMES. PacMan, JMM and Cotto come to mind along with a couple other HOFers..”

I missed the word “AROUND” when typing too fast. JMM moved up to fight Floyd at a catch-weight of 144lbs and he could’ve made that same move when FMJ was “semi-retired.” You fan-boys always claim that Floyd is an undersized WW anyway, so there’s ZERO reason why he couldn’t have faced JMM at a lower catch-weight sooner.

By the way… FMJ refuses to fight guys at 154lbs, which means he’s NOT a LEGIT 5-Division World Champion. He’s a 4-Division World Champion.

And the more you know and love boxing, the more you appreciate and the higher your rate the Klitschkos, that’s just the consistent fact, and the less you know and love the sport, and the dumber and stupider you are, the more you hate on K2. That’s the consistent proven facts. Goodnight, a-hole!

(Only a complete and total idiotic jackass repeatedly laughs like this on an English-speaking website: “jajajajajajajajajajaj!!!”)

Posted June 20, 2013 4:25 am 


WHEN I SAY side-to-side movement, re Floyd vs Canelo, I mean Floyd will take that one step to either side to be outside Canelo’s offense, so he can counter him before Canelo can reset, where Floyd will be out-of-range once again.

He will need to frustrate Canelo into making mistakes and rushing him.

Posted June 20, 2013 3:25 am 


I like guys I just don’t know if its safe to come out of the closet here. What do you guys think?

Posted June 20, 2013 3:20 am 

te tumbo

i think Canelo will try and persuade Mayweather to take the lead whenever possible. i don’t think that Alvarez is going to charge into Floyd hoping that he’ll be the “bigger fighter” to finally steamroll over Mayweather. at least not in the beginning he won’t. Canelo is a thinking fighter who will try to gain an accurate bead on Floyd before attempting to detonate in his face. Mayweather is a tested and proven demolitions expert but that reputation can only be judged on a fight-by-fight basis. a single miscalculation and it could be “game over”. a prime Canelo’s punches are harder and truer than a ringworn Mosley’s. Floyd will be prepared to prevail in a competition of attrition. expertly defusing Canelo’s offense and avoiding exchanges. he won’t be trying to prove his 154lb-legitimacy in this fight. he’ll be satisfied with the mere win. at least, that is the most predictable scenario.

Posted June 20, 2013 3:18 am 

spartacus 65

Manny Pacquiao wanted that bout. Mayweather DID NOT WANT that fight. Pacquiao eas eilling to settke for less money and then finally agreeing to ALL drug testing demands put forth by team Mayweather. Including up to the DAYVof the fight. This can,be found on Espn with Mayweather supporter Stephen A.Smith. That is fact. There are no excuses to make here. He ducked and it was clearly,obvious ti even Smith who finally had a moment of CLARITY.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:39 am 

Ring King

If you were my child, I would’ve paddled your ass like there was no tomorrow if I caught you cursing like that.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:24 am 

Ring King

Didn’t your daddy teach you anything?

Posted June 20, 2013 2:22 am 

Ring King

Pesky kids these days ain’t got no manners at all.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:22 am 

Ring King

You need a good slap.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:21 am 


Ring King/Spartacus: with those 1915 terms I’m sure that’s you.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:20 am 


Cordes/Tark: whaaaaaaaaat? jajajajajajajajjajaja. Go to sleep man. Goodnight.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:19 am 

Ring King

A snoot is another term for a nose. It’s just like how people say beak instead of nose. It’s not derogatory or offensive.

You need to put your tampon back in your fanny and quit being such a sensitive little Sobbing Sally.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:19 am 


““retiring” for a few years during a time when when some of the most dangerous guys at his weight-class where in their PRIMES. PacMan, JMM and Cotto come to mind along with a couple other HOFers.” – This is proof that the less you know about boxing and anything in general, the less you’ll appreciate FMJ, but who needs morons like this rooting them on? JMM? jajajajajajjaja…. the guy was a lightweight when FMJ left the sport. Who is the other hofer? SSM hadn’t looked the same until he beat Margarito from pillar to post, oh yeah, Floyd fought him OFF that bout. So which HOFer now? Are you talking about Margarito? jajajajajaj. Anyway, I think Canelo at 154 is as tough a fight as any people make believe about at 147, besides with Manny… although I always thought he would shut Manny out. Meanwhile, Mikey Garcia’s favorite fighter is FMJ, and Robert Garcia calls FMJ the greatest fighter of all time. Robert’s dad as well, the guy who brought up Vargas. The more you know and love boxing, the more you appreciate and the higher your rate FMJ, that’s just the consistent fact, and the less you know and love the sport, and the dumber and stupider you are, the more you hate on him online. That’s the consistent proven facts. Goodnight.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:17 am 


Q…., You’re a stupid jerk.. You have no knowledge of Boxing.. Trout beat Cotto by the same scores Floyd beat Cotto.. That’s a fact.. But he also did it without having Q-Tips pushed up his nose holes to stem the flow of blood — and he beat Cotto in Cottos house.

Floyd said Cotto was his toughest opponent.. That’s a fact.

Trout was a tougher opponent last year than Cotto.. That’s a fact..

Austin is bigger, taller, stronger, rangier, and trickier than the 31-year-old plaster cast beaten Cotto.. Floyd did say Cotto was his toughest opponent.. but he’d have a harder time beating Trout.. Now he has to fight the kid who whipped Trout.

It’s not about punches landed in every instance…because one knockdown punch can do more damage than many light ones that barely make contact.. Trout was hitting Cotto a lot harder than he could land on Alvarez.. He was afraid to commit on Saul because the incoming was hurting him and he didn’t want to get KO’d.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:14 am 

Ring King

And Floyd is the one who said he was a dog remember.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:04 am 

Ring King

Tark’s not a Floyd hater neither. You should get your facts straight before you start slinging mud at others. You ain’t on the street corner now chump. Learn some manners before someone beats some into you.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:03 am 

Ring King

I know who I’d feel safer leaving my bicycle unlocked around.

Posted June 20, 2013 2:00 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Some VERY IMPORTANT points were made by BEARS & Spartacus 65 about FMJ coincidentally “retiring” for a few years during a time when when some of the most dangerous guys at his weight-class where in their PRIMES. PacMan, JMM and Cotto come to mind along with a couple other HOFers. Floyd’s extended “mystery vacation” and his shocking decision to come out of “retirement” did not go unnoticed and is not forgotten. Floyd is one of the greatest talents of his era, but he made some poor decisions, ducked to many PRIME warriors, and picked too many “ripe cherries” to seriously be considered the GOAT. Real talk.

Posted June 20, 2013 1:53 am 



Posted June 20, 2013 1:28 am 


Exactly, typical trashy bias defense one has grown to expect from Floyd’s hateful detractors. You can comment on a fighter without saying repeatedly that they got there “snout” this and that, the man doesn’t have a snout, that’s what animals have, just had to make that clear. You Mayweather despisers have no class nor brain.

Posted June 20, 2013 1:27 am 

Ring King

No need to insult people’s family members. Typical classy kind of comment one has come to expect from Floyd’s trashy fans.

Posted June 20, 2013 1:18 am 


So, all I know is at THAT POINT… before the lawsuits and exaggeration of the bad blood, Manny Paquiao was the one of did NOT want the bout, and that should have been settled and down with that 2 week window before the fight after Roach was 1 week. What’s up with that? And why did they have to be scheduled? It was all just weird.

Posted June 20, 2013 1:16 am 

Negotiations with Manny Pacquiao

“Seven-division world champion Manny Pacquiao reportedly agreed to fight Mayweather on March 13, 2010 for a split of $50 million.[115] However, the fight was canceled due to disagreements about Olympic-style drug tests. Mayweather’s camp wanted blood tests by the United States Anti-Doping Agency, which would conduct random tests from training until the fight date.[116] The Pacquiao camp refused to provide samples, only willing to allow blood to be taken if the test were scheduled. Pacquiao’s coach, Freddie Roach, stated that he would allow a blood sample to be taken if there was a cut-off date for blood testing or at least ONE WEEK before the fight. In an attempt to resolve their differences, the two camps agreed to mediation before a retired judge. After the mediation, Mayweather agreed to a 14-day no-blood-testing window (TWO WEEKS). *Pacquiao refused*, only agreeing to a 24-day window (ALMOST FOUR WEEKS).[117] On January 7, 2010 Pacquiao’s promoter Bob Arum declared that the fight was canceled, offering a chance to fight Pacquiao to Joshua Clottey instead; Mayweather accepted the offer to fight Mosley.[118]”

Posted June 20, 2013 1:14 am 


Spartacus: You’re anti-mayweather propaganda is played out. now let me give you an excerpt since you’re throwing around hearsay.

Posted June 20, 2013 1:12 am 


That also wasn’t a run away for Canelo… even an OFFICIAL judge would have given the fight to Trout without the KD…. and that’s with Trout fighting out of his game due to open scoring and Canelo going 100% defensive (while also gassed) ….I mean, I could see Trout winning a rematch and I could imagine him winning that fight under slightly different circumstances. Canelo is a bit better than Trout on a physical talent level, and that helped him.

Posted June 20, 2013 1:03 am 


“Canelo is no defensive wizard. All these so called defensive improvements he made for the Trout fight are over blown.” – I wrote about that, but my post didn’t go through… I don’t know what these canelo groupies are on about with his defense. Trout just isn’t a guy that commits on his attack, and adding that with a guy who would go 100% defensive…. erm…. things have been blown completely out of proportion.. jaja.

Posted June 20, 2013 1:01 am 


Tark: a snout is something of animals like your mother… Floyd on the other hand had a nose bleed… big deal. He was bleeding against Augustus (then Burton) and Corley also….. but I’m guessing you’ve never seen those bouts. So you’re WRONG again. Meanwhile Trout was charted as being hit more by Cotto…. it was also what seemed a closer fight on a round to round basis. Floyd fought a different fight against a man LARGER THAN HIM, and still won just about every round.. big difference. Saul didn’t have a mark on him against Trout but Cotto wasn’t maimed himself… Trout just doesn’t back much. (Cotto was hurt far worse against FMJ than Trout at any point, something to consider in the midst of all the comparisons)

Posted June 20, 2013 12:59 am 


Canelo is no defensive wizard. All these so called defensive improvements he made for the Trout fight are over blown. Yes he was moving his head but he only moved it when he was standing still. Did he ever make Trout pay after making him miss? No he did not. Plus he had the benefit of knowing he was up on the score cards before the fight even started. Once the cards where read after the 4th he stayed on the defensive end which then made Trout have to come forward and attack. Something he is not used to doing. Yes Trout needs to learn how to do that but he probably would not have had to do that if Canelo didn’t know what the score was. And even after all that I still had Trout winning. So it was no dominant victory by any means.

Posted June 20, 2013 12:56 am 


Tark: I arguably think that Cotto would do better against Canelo than he did against Trout. Styles make fights, and I don’t think Canelo would have let a gassed Canelo off the hook like that, so no… I don’t think Trout is “tougher” than the Cotto (that fought FMJ) at all. Styles make fights, and what got Trout the fight against Cotto, lost him the fight against Canelo. He doesn’t commit on his punches. So he got out talented by Canelo, and when Canelo gassed like a rookie after 5 rounds, Trout was NOT the man to cash in. Meanwhile Canelo is NOT the quickest nor toughest fighter FMJ has ever signed to face, not even close. He’s the strongest by default for being by far the largest, but that’s it. Quickest and toughest? that is completely uninformed nonsense, lol.

Posted June 20, 2013 12:54 am 


Tark… I don’t know if my message is going to eventually make it or not, but long story short, SSM was shot 100% and hadn’t won in years going into his bout with Canelo at 154 (not his more comfortable 147 where he fought FMJ and also after he smacked around AM who has a notoriously iron chin) So what Floyd was stunned in one round? He arguably takes a better punch than Margarito if we want to exaggerate all around the board. At that point and at 154…. Canelo was supposed to STOP Mosley. Mosley got shut out much more clearly against FMJ, and at a better time for Mosley. Meanwhile, mosley was landing right hand leads and everything against Canelo like he was an idiot at points in that bout. Canelo failed miserably in that bout for letting a completely shot down blown up fighter make it 12 rounds.

Posted June 20, 2013 12:49 am 



Posted June 20, 2013 12:45 am 

spartacus 65

Tiger who was born in Brooklyn New York lived in my old neighborhood Queens Village New York. I believe he passed away in 1994. Those guys back then were some tough customers. Real fighters. Ashame a lot if them didn’t make a fraction of the kind of money these guys are getting now. Peace and strength.

Posted June 20, 2013 12:25 am 


TARK: Wow, you’re stupid. One second, I’ll shut you down in a moment.

Posted June 20, 2013 12:22 am 

spartacus 65

Hi Tark. Whats up champ. You’re right. Ralph “tiger ” Jones was ON that night when he beat Ray Robinson. Sugar Ray had just come off of another retirement and was getting up un boxing years. He figured from the scouting reports that Jones would be a soft but credible touch ti get the wrinkles out so to speak after his layoff. Boy was he wrong!! Tiger Jones STAYED ON ROBINSON LIKE WHITE ON RICE! Jones fought like Aaron pryor AND Manny Pacquiao put together that night. A damn whirlwind was tiger jones that night

Posted June 20, 2013 12:13 am 

spartacus 65

Bears,good evening. You are correct about the “retiring” issue. I have seen and heard where Mayweather stated in his own words when cotto was making waves,”I’m taking a vacation”. This is a fact. However lets move past this and focus on the upcoming bout. I commend both fighters for accepting this bout. Canelo and Mayweather. It is for now the most appealing bout out there and it should give boxing as a whole a mice jolt in the arm. Im looking forward to a good competitive matchup and it shoukd be interesting to see how each fighter deals with the others strengths and weaknesses. Age vs youth. Strength vs guile and experience. An ambitious and talented rising star vs a wily veteran who is considered by some to bw the premiere fighter of his era. Should prove to be exciting come fight night.

Posted June 19, 2013 11:59 pm 


Floyd won’t get a TKO over Canelo… He won’t get a dominating victory of any kind over Canelo… This will be tough because Saul has already proven that his boxing and punching skills are outstanding.

Canelo is by far the quickest, strongest, toughest, and most defensively skilled fighter Floyd has signed to face… You don’t beat a slick, 171-pound undefeated southpaw like Trout by being some clueless, trudge footed, tired-assed Arthur Abraham clone … The ways Alvarez is being characterized by these Floyd groupies is boorish. Saul didn’t have a mark on him.

Trout whipped the crap out of ATG boxer-puncher Cotto—Floyd’s toughest opponent, and the only fighter to make Floyd’s snoot bleed like that. Only Floyd, Pac, and TROUT legitimately beat the ATG Cotto. Floyd never fought Trout. I give Floyd massive credit for fighting and beating Cotto, the man he calls his toughest opponent ever.

Trout is Canelo’s toughest opponent—Cotto is Floyd’s toughest opponent…

Who’s tougher a 31-year-old plaster hammered Cotto? Or a 27-year-old undefeated, fresh as a daisy, peak career Austin Trout? You decide.

How do you think Floyd would fare with Trout? Do you think it would be a picnic? Ray Robinson was badly whipped by Ralph Jones, a fighter who lost 5 fights in a row before he shutout Robinson. Jones was too strong, too quick, and too slick for Robinson—the worst possible opponent for him. Canelo fought Mosley not long after Floyd fought Mosley—and scored a shutout. Of course Saul never got tagged with any bombs like Floyd did. Nor did Saul do the dipsy-doodle as Floyd did after he got nailed with Mosley’s clouts…

I want to see open scoring. That’s helped Saul last time. All 3 judges didn’t have 20/10 vision or 170 IQ’s. Boxing judges never do. But the important thing is Saul knew what the score was. That’s one hell of an advantage for a savage young puncher who can end things if he needs to.

Posted June 19, 2013 11:59 pm 

spartacus 65

Both sides have ego issues here in regards to the Pacquiao /Mayweather non affair. After a lot of chest puffing,posturing and yodeling by BOTH TEAMS ,ALL TERMS WERE MET. The final issue was the infamous Olympics style drug testing request that was put on the table by,Team Mayweather. This occured on Dec. 13,2009. December 22,2009, it is GOLDEN BOY PROMOS press release claiming Pacquiao refuses said testing protocol. On December 23,2009 Pacquiao clarifies their stance. Pacquiao is willing to take 3 tests. One 30 days prior to the bout which was to take place march 13 the following year. The second test72 hours prior to the fight. The third immediatly after the nout in the locker room. That right then and there should have settled that issue. Keep in mind PRIOR to any negotiations after Pacquiao knocked out Miguel Cotto it was Mayweather Senior who began the battle cry of manny taking performance enhancement drugs. Based off of Pacquiao destruction of Cotto. The scenery was already being established to put that nonsense out there. Floyd is soon to follow in that melody. Team Mayweather wanted blood testing RIGHT UP TO THE WEIGH IN OF THE,FIGHT. Excessive. What team Pacquiao proposed was very reasonable. Mayweather would not budge,from that stance. Arum whom I dont particularly care for ,in this case was not responsible for this debacle this time. Testing right after the fight was mkre than reasonable. Mayweather simply did NOT WANT TO FACE PACQUIAO AT THAT TIME. PERIOD. All the other back and forth drama is irrelevant window dressing. Floyd no one but himself to blame for that.

Posted June 19, 2013 11:35 pm 


The most reliable source is mayweather. His actions and his words. 50cent is just the easiest for you to attack. He was listed last amongst resonings in my post but of course you gravitate to that. Regardless, there is a trend with mayweather and a fake retireing when his division lit up. Nuf said really

Posted June 19, 2013 11:21 pm 


And come on, 50 Cent is your reliable source? I guess you don’t get A. life and the people in it nor B. Who 50 Cent is and what he’s famous from doing (beyond his rap)

Posted June 19, 2013 10:38 pm 


BEARS: hmmm… I don’t think there is a 147 fighter that Floyd so called ducked, that could have moved up against this Canelo and beaten him at 172…. just based on the size and him being a good little fighter on top… but who knows. But seriously, he’s old and this fight with Canelo is as dangerous as any fight he so called ducked.. and he’s OLDER and slower now… and he made this fight with NO problem at all…. I mean, if we are talking about FACTS, no hearsay, no opinions, just FACTS…. the fact is, this fight he just took and made in 2 flicks of a snakes tail… it makes it hard to believe that Floyd is more than 50% to blame for whatever.

Posted June 19, 2013 10:37 pm 


Hahaahahahah that lastpost was pretty funny busta. Good stuff

Posted June 19, 2013 10:07 pm 



Posted June 19, 2013 9:43 pm 


I recall the Moraes battles and I am not hugging his nuts….unless they are shaved with a “W” for winning….lol

I might give 50 some credit but that is like taking the word of an ex girlfriend telling everybody you scared of the dark and jerk it with melted butter in the hallway at the mall. Now we can trust the ex girlfriend or the guys trying to sell ratings and shove BS up our back door.

Bottom line is Floyd has made mistakes as PAC inside an outside the ring but we do not have full creditable disclosure. Thanks for making me laugh and hope you can see my humor.

I guess next week we can debate that Stevie 2lb Forbes should of won his last fight.

Posted June 19, 2013 9:40 pm 


Busta- I’m comfortable with believing espn. All the evience has com out floyds mouth and his actions. Floyd fake retired when his division lit up. He failed to fight paul williams, matinez, pacman. Really its all pretty consistent with floyd never fighting he best and even fake retireing while pacs always fought from day one. Remember the moraes and barrer trilogies? For me we have plenty of info to to come to the conclusion its floyds fault and its consistent with floyds history. Then 50 cent came out and said it. So basically everyone and all te evidence is wrong and lieing or floyds right. Get real floyd nuthuggers. Your living in the defintion of delusion.

Posted June 19, 2013 9:18 pm 


Notice how SREDMOND always harps on about fellow posters using excuses but has a bag full of them himself to explain why the heavyweight division is dominated by evil Whitey and to dispel the accusations of Floyd’s ducking all his biggest rivals.

Posted June 19, 2013 9:14 pm 


Canelo will come out hard and fast then gas out… Floyd will then take over an pick him apart for a wide UD.
I thought a prime Tszyu would have been a great fight for Floyd. As Junio pointed out Tszyu strength was his timing and accuracy, he struggled against swarming fighters (Hatton) and matched up well on slick fighters. it was only a matter of time before he found his range and timing ( Judah, Mitchell and Jesse James all found this out… Chicken Dance….. Down three times…..burst eardrum ) Floyd did not have the power to KO Tszyu like Phillips did or the mauling head butting low blow technique of Hatton.
I do still think that Floyd would have won that fight but Floyd would have been tested and tasted some leather. Floyd also has a very underrated chin.

Posted June 19, 2013 9:12 pm 


Look last word on this stuff. If you believe everything out of the mouth of sports guy on TV or written then you best wise up. NOBODY knows the true facts except Floyd, Manny, Bob and few others inside the circle.

Trust the news and you end up lost as they report anything for rating or they report without verifying sources. No way anybody can say PAC was scared or Floyd was scared. HOW WOULD THEY KNOW? That is retarded to even speak….”Oh yeah I know he is so scared”….SURE YOU DO RIGHT UP TO THE POINT THE SCARED MAN KOs your A..SS….LMAO

Posted June 19, 2013 9:07 pm 


Done deal there won’t be any disappointment Canelos style is taylormade for Floyds defense. Its not like lets say Martinez at 150 who would’ve embarrassed Floyd.

Posted June 19, 2013 9:06 pm 


Liar liar pants on fire.

Posted June 19, 2013 9:02 pm 

Done deal

Not even close buddy. Just dont agree with the ignorant bias opinion based arguments you PBF haters display.

Posted June 19, 2013 8:58 pm 


Done Deal is SREDMOND. 100%

Posted June 19, 2013 8:51 pm 


Q There was no way negotiations took place before the accusations the fight was just beginning to pick up steam. And there’s no way ima believe Floyd over let’s say espn and the many reporters who came to the conclusion that Floyd was scared. Next thing you and Done deal are gonna say is that before the ko lost to Marquez 40 mil was a legit offer for a fight that was gonna break records smh.

Posted June 19, 2013 8:46 pm 

Done deal

Lol haters will be disappointed yet again after September. Keep on preying for a lose.

Posted June 19, 2013 8:36 pm 


Again Floyds public accusations condemn him from the very beginning. Anyway its gonna be fun watching Floyd running for his life against Canelo. He better not make one mistake . People are really underestimating how much the size difference will play a factor in this fight.

Posted June 19, 2013 8:32 pm 


Rem: That’s actually false. A. Manny got knocked out an lost his ticket as IMMEDIATELY VIABLE for that. B. There are conflicting stories, but Floyd has lots of hate going his way so the story is always taken that goes against him… however I’ve read that the negotiations were fully done, but Manny wouldn’t agree on testing. There were no accusations of any doping of note until Manny declined to take the fight. The things is Manny actually wouldn’t agree on the cutoff date, because he didn’t want it too close to the fight. And you can read on Floyd’s wiki about those events, it’s more reliable than many of these fan writers. Further proof of whose fault it was is that Arum STILL doesn’t do fights with Golden Boy and NOW Manny wants and asked for testing against Rios… and you have the nerve to blame FMJ… for doing what? It all became less likely after the lawsuit and such, but Manny and his team had as much to do with all of that as anybody. You’ll try to say differently, but it’s all hearsay. meanwhile, his comments were simply about the notion of “fighter rather or not he’s juiced up” which is silly.

Posted June 19, 2013 8:17 pm 

Done deal

Rem Floyd’s camp said that was never true buddy. I say this to price the point that the only people that really know is PAC and Mayweathers camps. The media just puts out info regardless of truth. I remember Bob Arum saying They have meet all Floyd’s demands and Lenard Ellerby said Bob Arum was a liar and always has been which is why Floyd left him. Once again two different stories.

Posted June 19, 2013 8:06 pm 


REM, I do not know the whole story with PAC and Bob on the greatest fight that never took place. What I do know is that it takes two to fight and one to screw it up. Who did what we will never know.

Now with all that said I hope Floyd finds someone to fight that will give him a challenge for the whole fight. Canelo, I like cinnamon, is not the kid to do it this year.

Posted June 19, 2013 8:05 pm 


Floyd accusing Pac of doping publicly instead of requesting testing privately lost him and his fans credibility in this debate from the very beginning and clearly showed intentions of making the fight impossible.

Posted June 19, 2013 8:05 pm 


Q Floyd negotiated cutoff days for testing at first but when Pac would compromise and meet his terms he changed them i know your gonna say different but the majority of the media reported it that way so the quote stands for more than just Floyd worried about fighting a juiced fighter he made sure the fight didn’t happen more than Pac, Arum or anyone involved. This needs to be said because this notion that Floyd doesn’t need to fight the only 4 division lineal champ, fighter of Floyds prime decade, 3 time fighter of the year living legend in Floyds own weightclass and era is a joke.

Posted June 19, 2013 7:52 pm 


There is no 154 or 147 right now that can beat Floyd. So people have to live in a dream world of fabricated fights he ducked that he would of lost….man oh man….

Posted June 19, 2013 7:48 pm 


I present*

Posted June 19, 2013 7:39 pm 


I don’t know if Oscar and Shane ducked Kostya, but ….as far as FMJ goes…. go observe the career timelines. Divisions etc.

Posted June 19, 2013 7:38 pm 


I’m reading little spurts, but I’m not going to jump into this who ducked who when stuff, because no matter how many facts I prevent, the people who push that garbage aren’t rational nor intelligent enough to actually take it in. Floyd ducked Kostya? jaja….. go observe a timeline or something. peace. smh.

Posted June 19, 2013 7:37 pm 


$1 Bil:

So when was Floyd supposed to fight Tszyu?

Tszyu wasn’t a very active fighter when he was Champion in those later years.

And Floyd’s first title was below 140 and it was never hard for him to make weight except for and until his fight with Chavez.

When was Floyd’s first fight at 140?
Demarcus Corley I think.
do you know what year was that and what Tszyu was doing?

So again, when was Floyd supposed to set this fight up?

Oscar fights big names. Fighters more dangerous than Tszyu but people believe Oscar was the one that avoided…Please.
Shane fights bigger guys that Tszyu and went after one of the biggest names in boxing, Oscar, and he avoided Tszyu….Please.

Why didn’t Tszyu move to 147 during those years?

Posted June 19, 2013 7:34 pm 


Rem: The congressman thing is pure hearsay, and the injury thing was purely about fighting men with loaded gloves and full of steroids. He NEVER EVER EVER said nor hinted at not fighting Manny, just that he wasn’t playing around with “fight even if he’s filled with steroids” and Guerrero is on film saying “We’re tesing, I fought a guy juiced up and it’s no joke” something to that nature. There is no difference in those statements. This is boxing, you step in and you can die, NOBODY is going INTO a fight thinking 99% that the other guys is juicing…. Danny Garcia was even going to pull out against old Morales for a weight loss supplement. Sorry pal but people aren’t playing with their lives like you video game warriors would like. I don’t blame any man or any athlete period for wanting to make sure they are fighting on even grounds.

Posted June 19, 2013 7:29 pm 


“This goes out especially to KNOWN excuse makers and story tellers Tark, Bears, Hidalgo and the Lion King… ” Kiss my ass you double-talking piss ant.

Posted June 19, 2013 7:28 pm 


I haven’t read the article, but the answer is yes… with the size differential it could obviously play a role throughout the bout.. you don’t have to STOP someone to impose your size on them. I think if it’s REALLY tough from the weight and size thing, then it’s going to be a matter of stamina and clutch ability. Like when Oscar was fighting Vargas. oscar boxed better in the middle of the ring, but Vargas would bull him around in spots, then vargas got tired, and started catching some power shots. The difference is that ODH comfortably was a 154 pounder and with a hurting left hook that he had his entire career. (Floyd Sr trained Oscar good in that bout). If Canelo can get this win, good for him… but if you think in the long hall a win here “destroys” Mayweather and puts Canelo into the HOF, then you’re terribly mistaken, ajaa. It would be a good start however for Canelo, but he’ll have to beat people his own size at high levels or he’ll always have that against him, that he fought blown up Jr. WW’s for his most important wins. Some people will fight against it, but many people will push that.. and they’d be correct. Floyd is old and doesn’t belong anywhere near 154 physically. He’s declined, this is NOT a prime FMJ physically in any way.. that’s just the facts. Let’s see if Canelo can win this, or if he’s all hype. Really, if Canelo is anything near as good as he’s being sold as… he should NOT let this little old man come up and beat him, I don’t care where he’s ranked P4P. I’ll take FMJ in this bout… he’s naturally much smaller, but… he has more reach… so… we’ll see what happens. It won’t be dwarfed by length, although he will be by pure mass.

Posted June 19, 2013 7:24 pm 


Floyd said the first quote a long time ago I’d have to search for it i’ll make it my business to. The second is definitely on youtube saw it recently don’t worry im not making this up lol.

Posted June 19, 2013 7:24 pm 


Shane, Oscar, and Floyd did not duck Tszyu.

Tszyu was set up for a fight with Oscar but lost to Phillips.

Shane passed to get to Oscar who was a much bigger Star in boxing.

Tszyu NEVER moved up to 147 when the division was hot with big names like Forrest, Tito, Mosley, Oscar, ets.
Why was that?

Tszyu blew his chances at a fight with Floyd when he lost to Hatton which was a setup fight for a future bout with Floyd who was picking up a fight with Gatti who would help boost his name and ability to sell on PPV…which in return would help enable Showtime/HBO to come together to make that fight happen. Doesn’t always happens but it has when Money is involved.

Again, Tszyu himself said the fight with Floyd was always on the table. All he had to do was pick up the phone and call him. And this was even after Hatton.

Posted June 19, 2013 7:23 pm 


Done deal the first i saw on video watched Floyd himself say this and the second Pac told Stephen A. took place in his phone conversation with Floyd and Floyd never denied it.

Posted June 19, 2013 7:18 pm 


$1 Bill:

He did not duck Tszyu. Tszyu lost to Hatton which ended the future fight just like it did with Oscar when he lost to Phillips yet people still believe Oscar was the one that avoided Tszyu despite Tszyu never moving up to 147 when the division was hot with Mosley, Forrest, Tito, Oscar, etc…

Mosley and Oscar were out of reach for Floyd during those years because Floyd just didn’t bring money value. Shane wanted Oscar. Oscar wanted anyone that can enhance his legacy and bank account. Oscar will only fight you if you are a big enough to help him boost his PPV numbers or keep him busy as a setup fight.

So who else?

Hatton? He called Hatton out twice and his people said “Ricky is not ready Yet”…despite just beating Tszyu. So Floyd passed and moved up to continue his chase of Oscar. The fight would later get made and people bashed Floyd for having the fight at 147 despite the admission by Team Hatton that they passed on the Mayweather fight, Twice.
And, at 147, where there is no need to “make weight” and put it back on, a fight at 147 was perfect since both fighters would be more likely to show up “healthy” and hydrated for their fight. Especially considering Floyd fights around that weight on fight-night and so does Ricky.

Who else?

Williams. Only one that maybe seen as avoidance but that’s boxing. Williams called just about everybody out including Pac who did not take the fight.

Who else?

Pac can be criticized too:

Fighting Morales after Zahir schooled him. But hey, that fight was already scheduled, right? Well, cancel it and fight Zahir.

Waiting how many years to fight JMM after the controversial first fight ?
And then years later only taking him on because he thought JMM was passed it and had already been dismantled by Floyd.

And now suddenly wants additional drug testing after his refusal to do it before. Odd.

So you see, he doesn’t come off so well either just like Floyd isn’t coming off well after ripping Pac about catch-weights and wanting a -2 pound catch-weight (from the max limit) that he wants Canelo to follow.

Pac Fighting an Old Oscar who was drained at 147 was horrible. But hey, why not right? Big money fight and a boost in popularity. And like Freddie Roach said, if you can take something away from an opponent, why not.

Fighting Shane Mosley not after Mosley destroyed Margarito and when Shane basically begged for that fight, but After he was schooled by Floyd and looked subpar against Mora.

We can continue on the list of fighters that fit this bill of “avoiding” fights and/or only taking them at certain times.

But Pac and Floyd are the two biggest names so we’ll use them to start.

The Majority of them are careful. It’s boxing. It’s a business. but there is a lot involved more than boxers possibly not wanting to fight. Most I think do but again, Politics gets in the way of things. From what network you are on, to what promoter you have and so on.

Posted June 19, 2013 7:11 pm 

Done deal

Rem sources for Mayweather quotes please???

Posted June 19, 2013 7:04 pm 

Done deal

Remo what’s the actual source of those quotes so we can see them please??? Website????

Posted June 19, 2013 7:03 pm 


TARK again you and I agree to an extent. Cotto gave Floyd some trouble and Trout did slay Cotto.

I still say Canelo is way over his head in this fight. Trout is bigger than Floyd but size is not the issue here as Floyd is flawless with his ring knowledge compared to others that Canelo has faced. This in no way a cheap shot but it is just a fact. Floyd does not need to be the bigger man because he is always the smartest one in the ring and moves too quickly for any good follow up from whoever connects.

Posted June 19, 2013 7:00 pm 


“What’s the point of making all that money (fighting Pac) if i get hurt bad and can’t enjoy it”.
-Floyd Mayweather Jr.
“But Manny your a Congressman all i have is boxing what if I lose”.
-Floyd Mayweather Jr.
Lol give it up with this guy everyone says he’s gifted but there’s no questioning his fear of the Pacman.

Posted June 19, 2013 6:53 pm 


IMO, Mayweather will make Canelo work hard for the first 5 rounds, setting a trap for Canelo to get winded, then Mayweather will make Canelo miss and look silly for the rest of the fight. Mayweather too smart for the young Lion.

Posted June 19, 2013 6:19 pm 


Bears Pac declined the initial request then wanted a cut off date. Everything was agreed apon the first time, even the money but Pac declined the testing. He only agreed to full testing with no cut off date the last negotiations and the he was offered 40 mil. More money than he has ever made or will ever make in a fight. He declined. He did not deserve 50/50. He was not selling like he used too. Even in the 3rd Pac fight there where more Marquez fans than Pac fans and his PPV sells where dropping each fight. He should of taken the money. Really the blame falls on Arum. Unfortunately he calls all of Pacs moves

Posted June 19, 2013 6:13 pm 


Sredmond- hey bud. I’m not gonna read your posts. I feel you contribute nothing insightful to east side. Moreover, I liken you to a cancer to east side. I pass most of your posts. Always pass the big ones guranteed

Posted June 19, 2013 6:00 pm 


I’ve got a lot of great feed back on them. Like I aid I’m gonna try to get started on another one this weekend

Posted June 19, 2013 5:38 pm 


My channel is bears881. These were my first vis made in rapid succession. I’ve learned more now. Check them out though. I need to re do the vitaly vs lennox one. I was dabbling with calling a fight it was just a spur of the moment thing. We ultimately located the fould and injury and the blood spurting out. My opinion stands though at heavy I would favor peak and prime vitaly klitschKO against any heavyweight in time. I think vitaly, wlad, and lennox arethe top 3 al time at havy and would beat the guys before them

Posted June 19, 2013 5:37 pm 

squashed bug

Sredmond is totally WRONG .

Posted June 19, 2013 5:34 pm 


Bears, I remember you saying Pacquiao was “too little” for Mayweather but alas your tune is changing AGAIN!! PAC man was knocked COLD by Floyd’s LIGHT work a guy he did not let win a round! Manny has bigger worries like restoring his rep, he’s 2 years younger than FMJ and people are not sure he can get by a tough punching bag like Rios coming off a loss..!

Posted June 19, 2013 5:25 pm 


Swedish BoxinG Fan, why would you dislike Mayweather trying to preserve his unbeaten record? That’s. STRANGE stance… Most fighters don’t enjoy losing and most have are we to penalize Floyd for not taking an “L”…Williams was not a big play for Mayweather he was jumping from 147 to 160… PAC Mans a fight that should have happened but the politics between the two camps and promotional entities killed it… When’s the last time we saw Goldenboy and Top Rank work on ANYTHING? I love PAC Man but let’s be honest he’s not fighting outside Arums stable… Both Marquez and Bradley had to join Top Rank to face him again…

Posted June 19, 2013 5:21 pm 


Pac agreed to any and all blood tests then mayweather came out and saud he wanted like 80 or 90% of the money and destroyed any and all possibility of the fight happening like he initially did when he said he wanted 100 million to fight pac. Floyd definetly ducked pac. Mabe he won’t now that pacs been brutally ko’ed. But floyd definety came out with laundry lits of absurd demands especially about money. Pac eventually agreed to any and all testing. Some people don’t know the history of what happened obviously. Mayweather was saing stuff like “pacs a politician he has another career this is all I have I need most the money in case I loose” I mean really don’t we all know what happened. Floy nuthuggers need to refrain from fabricating bullspit that it was because pac the fight fell through.

Posted June 19, 2013 5:17 pm 


Look under I believe “Vitali GOAT” on YouTube and you will see the overweight dullard giving his very own fictional and incomplete account of the Lewis vs Klits fight…

Posted June 19, 2013 5:12 pm 

Swedish Boxing Fan

I respect Floyd Mayweather Jr’s ring skills BUT not more then that. I disslike his way of potraying himself outside the ring. I don’t like his “f#ck you” attitude. I hate his way of desperetly trying to make himself look like the best fighter out there without ever have conqerd all major world title belts or have cleaned out a division of top fighters. I lost much respect for him when he time-after-time after-time having walked away from fighting Manny “Pac-Man” Paquiao when he still was the big dog in the league. I disslike his way of desperetly fighting for keeping his precius “0” on his record = A undeferated record is not much worth in the end if you avoid the thretning challanges in boxing and he does that all the time. Paul Williams and Paquiao was just 2 good ones to name here. In my own oppinion, the most tallent fighter still active is old legend Bernard Hopkins. Hopkins is 48 years old, became for a 2nd time oldest champ in history of boxing and still beats the young stronger fighters, that is something Floyd Mayweather Jr only can dream to achive. Then another thing that makes me tired of him and that is his GREED. Mayweather Jr is so greedy that you just want to go away and make all people realise that and to do the same.

Posted June 19, 2013 5:12 pm 


Canelo needs two judges from Mexico the judges in Vegas are paid off crooks

Posted June 19, 2013 5:03 pm 


Notice that Bears AVOIDS committing to NO EXCUSES for the Canelo bout! He believes Alvarez is gonna win but wants to keep the option of MAKING EXCUSES… This is common practice for this lout and phony fight fan.. If he does NOT like a result he conjures up a story!’ selling tales of Lewis going down against Briggs and Vitali being attacked by Lewis in some manner or scolding the ref for letting a Champion like Bradley keep fighting and retaining his title against a nobody and former Pacquiao sparring partner… This bizzaro will change any result he does not like HENCE him being unwilling to put aside his TRAILER full of excuses for ONE BOUT!! What’s it gonna be Bears?

Posted June 19, 2013 4:50 pm 


Bears, your analysis is NOT analysis that’s the ONLY THING that’s “more of the same” Vitali was getting his face taken apart and Lewis accuracy was improving like crazy in the final 2 rounds (54% round 5 I believe) as Klits had to pay the piper for eating those FLUSH right hands… The jackhammer uppercuts he had to suck up also occurred in the latter rounds and he lost the 6th on all cards.. Of course these dirty FACTS have no place on a video you likely made while pleasuring yourself to a Klitschko poster but they happened… Vitali is FAR from the only fighter unable to sustain a slight lead as his mug was blown apart…Lewis TKO 6, retired Undipsuted HW Champion… Klits stopped by Lewis 6 rounds and cannot retire soon enough as a single belt holder nothing new!

Posted June 19, 2013 4:43 pm 

Done deal

$1 Bill so now tszyu is more highly regarded than Mayweather?? Only by you. No boxing expert or coach will agree with that. Tszyu will not be in the HOF. Floyd will be top 5 if he retires undefeated. He has beat more world champs, HOF fighters, and pound for pound fighters than any fighter in this generation. 8 time world champ in 6 weight classes 44-0 pound for pound #1 highest paid boxer and athlete of all time. Those are the facts, not opinion. Floyd is considered by experts as one of the greatest boxers of all time right now and he is still writing his legacy to proving all the haters wrong over and over again. We work on facts not fiction.

Posted June 19, 2013 4:43 pm 


GOOD thing that you being convinced or not does not alter reality. The FACT is that Pacquiao refused to take a blood test within 14 days of the Fight. As far as Margarito, he was a MINOR title holder and Floyd took on the #1 rated Fighter at Welter instead…..I APPLAUD that.

Posted June 19, 2013 4:40 pm 


Kosta Tsyzu would have been a LAUGHABLE opponent for Mayweather this is a guy who was very good but not on Floyd’s level !!! Mayweather could be 49 and Hatton could NEVER make him QUIT on his stool with those brawling tactics that got him knocked out and sent his career on the path to further ruin against Pacquiao and tearfully and mercifully ended with a bodyshot against Senchenko…

Posted June 19, 2013 4:35 pm 

$1 Bill

The Pacquiao fight was about as clear a duck job as there is and nothing anyone can say is going to convince me otherwise. The same can also be said about the Margarito fight too.

You say Mayweather was chasing the most lucrative options, but he put every obstacle in the way to prevent the most lucrative fight out there for him from happening. I’m sorry but that’s just not a coincidence.

Gatti could punch, but let’s be real here he was done by the time he fought Mayweather.

I wouldn’t read too much into what Leija said about Tsyzu’s power. Boxers often contradict themselves and change their opinions regarding who hit them the hardest. Many of Tszyu’s opponents commented on how hard he hit.

Posted June 19, 2013 4:34 pm 

$1 Bill

Tszyu was always a scholar and a gent and I can’t recall ever hearing him say a bad word about any of his opponents. Russian fighters generally don’t indulge in trash talk and are far more inclined to be respectful and reverential towards their opponents than your average American fighter is. Judah and Mitchell were terribly rude and disrespectful towards Tszyu before they fought him. Anyway, Tsyzu was a cooked goose even before he fought Hatton so a Mayweather fight would’ve been completely pointless by that stage.

Was Ndou a star when Mayweather fought him? Sosa? Corley? Brussles? Baldomir?

I said Mayweather would not have fought a young De La Hoya, not that he ducked him. The fight wasn’t even viable when De La Hoya was in his prime. Mayweather a 2 round winner on my card, but I think it would’ve been a completely different story if De La Hoya was younger.

Posted June 19, 2013 4:31 pm 


Vitaly outlanded lennox every round and dog walked him a the end. In a lot of ways it was “more of the same”

Posted June 19, 2013 4:26 pm 

$1 Bill

Mayweather never would’ve fought Tszyu. You have to remember how highly he regarded him. This is a fighter he himself said was the #1 pound for pound best in the sport.

Tszyu called him out on a number of separate occasions and it’s well known he clamoured for the big fights and would’ve gone anywhere to secure them. His record as a road warrior is beyond repute. It’s hardly a coincidence Shane Mosley and Mayweather skipped superlightweight or only hung around there for couple of fights while he Tszyu was top dog. They held him in the highest esteem and had been keenly aware of just how good he was since his days in the unpaid ranks when they all fought in the same tournaments as him. De La Hoya thought very highly of him too.

Posted June 19, 2013 4:25 pm 

$1 Bill

Junio, I respectfully disagree. I understand and appreciate the difficulty in setting up fights between fighters signed to rival networks, but I don’t think it’s a coincidence Mayweather managed to avoid so many of his rivals, rivals who were highly regarded at their zenith and would’ve posed a severe challenge. Fighting them when they were years removed from their zenith might satiate the appetites of the gullible but it doesn’t fool me. His reputation as a cherry picker and a ducker is well deserved and he only has himself to blame for that. He made a conscious decision to choose the path of least resistance and that’s the primary reason he won’t sit further up the pecking order on the ATG list when he retires.

Posted June 19, 2013 4:18 pm 


Bears, for Gods sake! Don’t make another of those ridiculous videos that have absolutely NO value because you could not even follow thru and finish the laughable one you has about Lewis vs Klits… What buffoon dismisses the last 2 rounds of a 6 round fight as “More of the Same”..??? Only a loutish Internet Goon with an agenda… This Canelo fights gonna be an anticlimax Floyds gonna have it easy after round 3, I am calling on all those who are putting it out there that Alvarez is gonna win to put their money where their mouths are “If Mayweather wins FULL praise and no excuses ” he loses I will give Canelo His due like I would any winning fighter… This goes out especially to KNOWN excuse makers and story tellers Tark, Bears, Hidalgo and the Lion King… I ask again are you willing to forgoe excuses at the end of the bout???

Posted June 19, 2013 3:52 pm 

Tomato Can

It’ll be a close fight. Mayweather isn’t 154 pound fighter, so obvioulsy he’ll be in a tuff fight with a younger and bigger fighter with an okay skill set. I still think he’ll pull it out via close SD. Then fans will want to see the rematch.

Posted June 19, 2013 3:34 pm 


BEARS – You make some valid point. Kudos! But as for Canelo throwing and landing hard shots, we’re not so sure yet, Floyd is as elusive as they come and remember, he punches back, plus his punches travel faster and he lands with probably the greatest accuracy of any fighter in HISTORY, I don’t think Canelo will be gun shy to start the bout, but I feel as the fight progresses, I see Canelo becoming more reluctant to throw because when he tries, he’ll get a face full of razor sharp punches, they may not be knockout punches, but they’ll sting him enough to keep him honest. Floyd will also be too fast on his feet, not to mention, he’s a scholar of boxing, there’s absolutely NOTHING Canelo can try (or will do) on Floyd that Floyd hasn’t seen MANY times before, he’s too experienced, too fast, too smart and just too damn good for this kid. I pick Floyd via TKO.

Posted June 19, 2013 3:01 pm 

Done deal

Tark you and rest if these idiot Mayweather haters are ignorant . To even say Trout is the same level fighter as Mayweather and that he has beat better comp than Mayweather completely discredits your opinion about any boxing.

Posted June 19, 2013 3:00 pm 


If I did write some articles I would strive to be objective even while revealing my bias and give proper attention and view to both fighters. Proper attention from both fighters angles and perspectives. The writer of this article just comes off as a total nuthugger who is completely and entirely disregarding canelo in every way. Its not very bright to me. Canelo has a very very bright future in boxing and the more this guy detracts from canelo the more foolish he will look and the more those comments will be thrown in his face down the road. If your totally dismissing canelos chances in this bout and minimizing them your out of touch with boxing. Canelo will be better againt floyd than he was aganst trout as canelo is exponentially improving every time out rising to the skill of his challenger. The may cotto, trout cotto, canelo trout bouts give us a great deal to look at tape wise. Now I don’t see how we can’t favor floyd. I think we have too. But I think this might be the toughest fight of floyds personal career. It will actually be both fighters toughest fights. I’m a big canelo fan. This 22 year old kid has so much going for him in boxing. I love watching canelo fight. He’s already one of my favs. To think he is only 22. I’m calling the upset in september. I’m calling canelo to win and win the rematch if there is one. Though there’s a good chance I’m wrong. I would love to lay some money on this and I can’t wait to see what the odds makes have it at. As long as there’s no crazy controversy or bogus out comes like ortiz where there’s not even really a fight

Posted June 19, 2013 2:44 pm 

The El Paso Fight Prophet

at mayweather86 – You can suk a dik up till you hick up, You be drooling with semen so please keep back before your arse gets stomped son.

Posted June 19, 2013 2:42 pm 



Posted June 19, 2013 2:36 pm 


Million dollar L, said Candelo. Where’s the Bank ????

Posted June 19, 2013 2:31 pm 



What surprised me with Canelo in the Trout fight was his defense/upper-body-mobility despite looking somewhat fatigued like people point out. Actually, a lot of upper-body-movement like that you would think would be a cause of a stamina decrease compared to other ways of fighting.
But Canelo showed lots of poise, when fighters are truly fatigued, they don’t have the mindset to know how to fight when not as fresh, Yet with Canelo, he was still moving his upper-body and making Trout continually miss. A lot of fighters that have fought Floyd, when Floyd gets them tired (since I’ll give him the credit unlike some others who just think its the fighters being in poor condition)….but when the opponent is tired, Floyd takes advantage of them being unable to make him miss because they are Mentally and Physically to drained to react.

That said, Canelo has to be in tip-top shape to fight Floyd. And it would be interesting to see if he can turn the tide and make Floyd fight his fight instead of it being the other way around.

“Older” fighters, fighters in their mid 30’s and higher, tend to not have the same stamina as they did in their younger years. Some are just exceptions because of great genetics, life-style and work-ethic…but even the best can’t beat Father-Time. Even Hopkins, at a certain point in his career even before 40, needed to control the pace of the fight or he would fatigue faster. It all depends on the opponent in front of them if this is exposed.
But it is the Experience, it is the Skill-set, the Mindset, that allows “Older” fighters to control their breathing by staying relaxed, catch that second, third wind…and most importantly, control the pace of the fight.

Posted June 19, 2013 2:27 pm 


I’m gonna make some more vids. I have some new software. I’ve been busy with school. I wanna start taking a deeper look at fighters and fight forcasting through video and video highlights and reference. Basically from the tape. And also look back analyzing tape on fights from the past. I would like to put together one that shows the classic lennox lewis foul where he held and hit. He actually did that his first championship bout, through his career, and in his final fight with vitaly. Ref joe cortez can even be heard jumping lewis’s ass for it in lewis’s first title fight. I believe it was against tucker. Early 90s. There’s really good software out there now and with youtube fans can do some great things. Boxng is a unique sport folowed by a unique conversation and debate. Much more so than many other sports. And the videos are a great platform. I haven’t made any new ones but I will try to start on it his week

Posted June 19, 2013 2:26 pm 

Fish Eyes

BEARS.. Do you still have your youtube channel running?

Posted June 19, 2013 1:47 pm 


This guy is the worst writer I can recall in east side history and I’ve been here for like a decade. And he just keeps pumping out utterly bias and subjective garbage. Hey garbage man why don’t u write an article about how vulnerable cotto made floyd look, how cotot couldn’t touch trout, and how trout couldn’t touch canelo and trout got smoked

Posted June 19, 2013 12:55 pm 


Junior- I see you notice it as well from.what I’m talking about also I don’t believe canelo has a stamina issue by the 6th round he knew he won the fight and just started.coasting the rounds
Since he knew he was winning why bother looking.for the ko when you know the scorecards which I’m against but hey It’s smart not to force punches when you are winning aka Mike jones vs
Randall Bailey it cost.mike jones looking for The ko

Posted June 19, 2013 12:49 pm 


Chavez Jr 2.0, what the hell is this hack smoking?

Posted June 19, 2013 12:44 pm 



Floyd has to keep on the move unless he can wear Canelo down and then sit there and pick him off because we’ve seen time and time again that “smaller” fightes who have continually moved up in weight become more vulnerable to body-shots from “naturally” bigger fighters. Smaller fighters still carry that smaller frame. Smaller fighters lose more often to body shots than bigger guys. It’s like the HW division: how many KOs have we seen over the years from HWs going down from body-shots compared to lower weight guys?

Even Oscar eventually got KO’d (when still healthy) by a body-shot by a naturally bigger fighter, Bernard Hopkins. Same with many others.

Canelo is a lethal body-punchers who can put his punches together: Head to body, body to head and use a variety of punches.

Posted June 19, 2013 12:34 pm 


El paso-keyboard jockey. Grow a pair boy, u got my address.

Posted June 19, 2013 12:26 pm 


I just keep remebering how stiff Floyd got in one of the 6th or 7th round where guerrero got a
Good body shot that let Robert T off on Floyd for almost that whole round and keep thinking to
Myself , canelo when he would punch trout to the.body a 172lbs on fight night he would lift him off the canvas with body and solarplex shots the damage was evident also for Floyd to fight one of the best fights in years he sure did get hit alot to the body

Posted June 19, 2013 12:14 pm 


Is Canelo’s stamina really as bad as some are saying or does it go by the opponent each fighter has in front of him since there are many different reasons as to why someone’s stamina decreases: It could be mental, it could be physical, or it can end up being a combination of both.

There can be many factors such as poor conditioning in camp, nutrition, lack of rest, weight issues, and of course…the fighter in front of you who may be landing clean body-shots, making you work harder by upping the pace, being on the move, making you over-think which causes anxiety which causes your blood pressure to raise which decreases your stamina…and so on.

So I need to look over some other fights and not just one fight to refresh to see if it is habitual.

Trout was a very good fighter. I don’t understand how people are undervaluing Trout like he is just “Okay.”

Posted June 19, 2013 12:12 pm 


All machismo ” I know more then you” Or, ” I’m a bigger Floyd/ Caneelo fan then you” aside.. One thing is for sure Alverez is no Guerrero, Ortiz, or past prime Mosley, or DeLahoya. And, Mayweather is no Lopez, Matt Hatton, or multi beaten Kermit the frog. Both these guys will have in front of them something they haven’t seen before, and, as boxing history has shown us that have been paying attention, ANYTHING can happen!

Posted June 19, 2013 12:09 pm 


Floyd did not avoid Tszyu or Mosley or De La Hoya. Pacquiao fight is a bit more “Complicated”

Eh. Error in spelling. Typing fast.

Posted June 19, 2013 12:03 pm 


$1 Bill:

Floyd did not avoid Tszyu or Mosley or De La Hoya. Pacquiao fight is a bit more comlicated.

DETAILS for Each:

Tszyu: Showtime Fighter.
Floyd: HBO Fighter.

Were any of them “Stars” in America yet?
Not quite.
Floyd needed the Gatti fight because it was for a title and a big boost in Popularity. Easy fight to make especially since Gatti was an HBO fighter.

Same with Tszyu and Hatton. Hatton dished out the money and both were on showtime. Tszyu took it.

Why is this important? Again, two fighters, Floyd and Kostya, were on two separate networks. Money is the only thing that gets big fights made. Look at Tyson/Lewis.

Why didn’t it happen? Like Tszyu losing to Phillips which canceled the Oscar fight, losing to Hatton halted the Floyd fight.

Tszyu himself (on his website) said that fight could have been made even after his loss to Ricky Hatton.


Floyd called him out but Mosley at the time wanted something bigger- OSCAR DE LA HOYA.
Floyd wasn’t that well known at that point so it was high risk low reward. Why bother when you can chase Oscar.

Overall, Floyd’s main goal was to get to Oscar because he was the Golden Boy: Olympic Gold Medalist, World Champion, Immense Popularity which would all transfer over to him {Floyd} if victorious. Shane’s name stepped back into the picture when Shane got a victory over Oscar…so Floyd wanted him to.
Shane could have taken the fight more than once but I guess for him the timing was not right. And of course Shane himself had set-backs with losing.

Floyd ended up getting the fight with Oscar when Oscar thought Floyd was the most relevant BIG MONEY fight out there. That’s how you get Oscar.
And then Shane came on board after Shane put up a big win over Margarito and Pac backed out. Shane was the next big Money fight.

As far as Pac:

Pac = Arum
Pac= difference in Financial agreement. 40 million wasn’t enough.
Pac = difference of opinion on Random drug testing even though he should have not only agreed but pushed it further to make it year round and random and forced Floyd to do the same. This way, Pac feels back in control instead of it being Floyd.

It’s funny how things came full circle with Pac/JMM and now Pac wants drug testing.

By the way, Gatti hits hard but he just isn’t on the level of the others like Oscar as far as HOF status. But ask Oscar and others about Gatti’s power. I think it was Jessie James Leija who said Gatti hit harder than Tszyu. Tszyu was all about accuracy and timing with some power behind. Accuracy and Timing were key for him.

And Chico, at that time, was like Foreman in that division he was fighting. Floyd took him on.

Power only matters if you can land it. Not many can land on Floyd…especially more than one at a time.

Posted June 19, 2013 12:01 pm 


Right Bears…. Pitty pats by Trout whe he fought Alvarez..

But Trout mugged Cotto… Without taking those vicious jabs up the snoot… They didn’t have to bring the Q-Tips to the rescue and shove them up his nose holes.

Posted June 19, 2013 11:48 am 


Jmm too far more skilled that gueerero and hanging with such as fighters as pacman ALL DAY. clearly could make a better case for being the little guy fighting may but I still thought jmm was too small and floyd too big. Gueerero is hanging out with berto and getting cracked all day by berto. Guerrero vs berto didn’t spell mayweather. It spelled there’s multipe guys at 147 that will light guerero up. There’s no need for it to be mayweather. Lol. That’s what I got from the tape of guerrero vs berto

Posted June 19, 2013 11:46 am 


Tark- exactly. I would say trout was much more dominant over cotto and one sided than mayweathe was when he faced cotto. I thought tha much was obvious. Is somebody disagreeing with that fact? Cotto could hardly touch austin like austin could hardly touch canelo

Posted June 19, 2013 11:38 am 


Alvarez has fought a fighter on Floyd’s level… Are you kidding me?

Austin Trout is on Floyd’s level—only much bigger, taller, and stronger. Trout beat the ATG future HOFer, Miguel Cotto, with greater ease than Floyd beat the 3-Division World Champion ATG Cotto… Trout beat Cotto just as convincingly on the scorecards — but he beat Cotto in Cotto’s house. Floyd fought Cotto in FLOYD’S house… A tremendous advantage to have…

But despite that — Cotto caught Floyd with extremely sharp punches that had the blood flowing freely from Floyd’s snoot… So much so that many Q-Tips were shoved up Floyd’s snooter to stem the flow.

Posted June 19, 2013 11:24 am 


“Guys give Floyd grief for facing Guerrero who handily beat two quality WW’s but they now want him to face Broner who has never fought above 135???? The double standards are retarded..!” Oh, so that same retardedness didn’t apply when Marquez moved up from 135 to 147 to fight Floyd? Yeah you remember SRedmond, the wonderful performance by Floyd that you keep going on about? The fight in which he cheated on his weight? So it’s ridiculous to consider Broner fighting Floyd but it wasn’t for Marquez? You are the one who is clearly displaying double standards of retardness.

Posted June 19, 2013 11:16 am 

$1 Bill

31 KOs against who though? Ndou’s record is more padded than a chesterfield sofa.

Posted June 19, 2013 11:13 am 


$1 Bill…

Could a 1 punch “banger” be labeled as Phillip Ndou?

He was 31-1 with 30 KO’s when they fought.

Posted June 19, 2013 11:05 am 


This pundit writes…, “There’s a question as to whether Mayweather Jr. will be able to handle Canelo’s power and whether Canelo will run out of gas like he did against Austin Trout.” …. Canelo DIDN’T run out of gas versus Austin Trout. He was well ahead of Trout and finished the fight with ease.

If Saul were behind on the scorecards he had enough energy left to go after Trout and knock him out. But the smart thing to do when you’re way ahead is not to do a lot of leading—make your opponent take all the chances, and showcase your defensive skills. If you can’t slip, duck, and dodge punches as quickly and easily as Canelo was during the Trout fight—your tank might be running low. Canelo’s WASN’T!!!

Canelo showed a sharp and vibrant defense, and all 42,000 people in the sold out Astrodome, and all 23,000,000 TV viewers, knew who won the fight.

There was no suspense about who would be awarded the win. What was Saul supposed to do—expend a ton of energy trying to knock Trout out when he’s way ahead??? This article makes no sense

Posted June 19, 2013 11:01 am 


Canelo is not the guy to beat Mayweather.

Posted June 19, 2013 10:58 am 

$1 Bill

Mayweather swerved punchers Pacquiao, Tszyu, young Mosley and Cotto and there’s no way in he would’ve fought a young De La Hoya either and anyone who thinks different is kidding themselves.

The only punchers you could say he fought who were still in their primes were Chico, Judah, Ortiz, and I guess Castillo. But even then none of them could be classed as out and out bangers who were noted one punch KO merchants. Chico would likely be considered the best puncher Mayweather fought, but then again you can’t read to much into that because the Chico he fought was a seriously weakened and weight drained.

He swerving the most dangerous and formidable Alvarez too by insisting upon a catchweight.

Posted June 19, 2013 10:47 am 


Dumb writer for a person that actually knows the sport than they’d know that your not going to out box Floyd that’s not how you beat him that’s fighting his fight, you gotta close the gap and rough him up!

Posted June 19, 2013 10:09 am 

Ghetto Thug


Posted June 19, 2013 10:08 am 

Ghetto Thug


Posted June 19, 2013 10:07 am 

Jimmy the Jig

FM gonna get arrogant and get popped in the late rounds. Floyd gonna think he bad and drop his guard get popped by Can. Pop Pop

Posted June 19, 2013 10:02 am 


Saul power is way overated, I honestly cant understand how Canello fans think he can K.O. Mayweather, when he couldn’t K.O. a pillow fisted Trout. I see Mayweather giving Canelo a lecture in defense, pot shotting, in and out. Mayweather is gonna cut this boy up. I cant stand Mayweather but bpttom line is there is nothing that Canelo does better than Mayweather. So if he does beat Mayweather it would be on sheer size alone and not talent.

Posted June 19, 2013 9:57 am 


dahm i was having a bad day i really needed this…people who actually think Canelo has a chance are new to boxing clearly…

Posted June 19, 2013 9:30 am 

MNboxingFAN – Sean

I can’t believe so many people think Canelo will KO Mayweather when he’s never really even been hurt. It’s laughable at best. I hate Floyd, but I ain’t betting against him. One sided beating is right, but by Floyd.

Posted June 19, 2013 9:20 am 


My feelings exactly. Well done, Rob.

Posted June 19, 2013 9:15 am 

The El Paso Fight Prophet

SREDMOND = Nuthugger

Posted June 19, 2013 9:10 am 


Guys give Floyd grief for facing Guerrero who handily beat two quality WW’s but they now want him to face Broner who has never fought above 135???? The double standards are retarded..!

Posted June 19, 2013 9:00 am 


Not a shot in hell Canelo is gonna outbox Floyd Mayweather for 7 of 12 rounds, Canelos only chance is Landing the BIG shot… The Mayweather that handled Guerrero is still too quick, and retains too much ability for Canelo who has NEVER been on this level before..

Posted June 19, 2013 8:58 am 


Trout or Guerrero? Ok. Enough said….

Posted June 19, 2013 8:17 am 


Mbuyiseli, everything you said is wrong. LOL China is NOT “the most corrupt country in the world” China most def can manage a soccer league. Floyd won’t fight Broner later this year. Mayweather Pacman will be competitive like most fights Floyd’s been in since he fought Hatton. Rios is no robot. LMAO

Posted June 19, 2013 7:51 am 


What’s new? Floyd article brings out the Pacidiots as usual. Pacquaio will fighting in the most corrupt country in the world against a robot in Rios. Can China manage a soccer league, does it have one without bribes for a full season? If you still think Mayweather vs Pacuqiao will be competitive you are delusional plain and simple. Mayweather will fight Martinez at 154lbs, Matthysse or even Maidana if he beats Broner later this year.

Posted June 19, 2013 7:43 am 

Done deal

Mayweathers last opponent???? You will see the difference from Canelos last opponent lol.

Posted June 19, 2013 7:27 am 

Done deal

One sided article but y’all are Mayweather haters. Sal CAN NOT out box Mayeather and boxing experts and coaches will tell you that. His key to victory is a KO. Writer is blind. Although Sale lacks the movement he does have the speed. Power really won’t matter cause Floyd won’t be there for him to hit. He is no Trout or Shane or who ever this kid has beat.

Posted June 19, 2013 7:25 am 


Whoever wrote this article is clearly a Mayweather fan because he pointing out several reasons as to why he thinks Canelo sucks. Slow flatfooted telegraphic punches cannot cut the ring gasses out and on and on… Quite honestly I cant wait to see the fight, to see Mayweather and Canelo fight it out. You will see the difference from Mayweathers last opponents.

Posted June 19, 2013 7:23 am 


Garbage article. Clearly a Mayweather groupie.

Posted June 19, 2013 7:16 am 


What most people forget is that Mayweather actually has a decent chin! Not many had the chance to test it!

Posted June 19, 2013 7:11 am 

God’s P.A

Sorry but simply cannot respect a ‘fighter’ who has and or will Dodge Duck Dive Dip and Dodge the biggest money fight in history! ( With Manny) I predict Mayweather to win a wide ud (over Canelo) However like so many before him (Hearns, Leonard and all the Kings) ‘Big Nutz’ and a ‘fearless attitude’ aint wot Floyd’s packin, So insecure this man from Michican is, which be sad as I think he would of out boxed em all, Margarito thru to Pacman no doubt. Oh yer and I’m trying not to think about all the opponants of Floyds who had only fought less than 2 or 3 fights at 147, Haha!!!! Jesus Christ…. Sorry Boss…

Posted June 19, 2013 6:20 am 

Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

“Can Saul beat Mayweather without knocking him out?” Yes, he can. If Canelo puts him down in 2 or 3 different rounds they, would likely be scored as 10-8 rounds. Meaning that Canelo could lose the majority of rounds and still win a decision on the cards. However, it’s extremely unlikely that Canelo will win a decision — even if he deserves it — because it’s gonna be in Floyd’s hometown, home country and he’s an extremely influential man in Vegas.

Although Canelo has a 70% KO ratio and Floyd has a 59% KO ratio, the stats are very misleading. Canelo knocks guys down all the time, but doesn’t always finish them. He has much more explosive power than Floyd. I don’t even remember the last time FMJ caused a LEGIT stoppage. Must have been Hatton back in 2007. And I don’t think FMJ has scored a LEGIT K.O. since all the way back in the late 90s.

Posted June 19, 2013 6:00 am 


Canelo has only 4 more KOs than Mayweather and his been feasting on smaller fighters so his KO power for a bigger guy is questionable.

Posted June 19, 2013 5:07 am 


Canelo will go down as the GOAT. One sided beating about to take place 14 Sept 2013.

The second string to that bow is taking FMJ ‘0’.
He had the first string out, when he trampled over Trout.
It will be a great display of power, as FMJ ass is deflowered.
A pants down beating, I can already hear the bleating.
From the Mayweather fans, excuses flowing of disappointment with their man.
Canelo will show the ticker, FMJ will be forever known as a cherry picker.

Posted June 19, 2013 4:47 am 


I don’t think there will be a moment canelo allows mayweather to get comfortable for 12 rounds and its gonna be non stop hurting and power shots from canelo and canelo will increasingly score more and more as the fight goes on

Posted June 19, 2013 4:01 am 


The title question is a good one.
My answer would be, it depends totally on Mayweather . if he comes out and starts like e he did with Mosley then yes, possible. If he sticks to his normal pristine style of strategic movement and precision punching in and out, then not a chance. I’m pretty sure it will be the latter may weather that turns up to produce a comfortable distance victory.

Posted June 19, 2013 3:33 am 

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