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What nonsense! Pacqiuao was dominating Marquez,
increasingly as the fight went on, until the lucky punch landed. Marquez doesn’t want #5 because he knows he’ll have his head handed to him by Packman. As for fighting Mayweather, Marquez would be the same boring fighter he was the first time. They’d never sell any PPV for that and that’s where the real money is.

Mayweather will now fight a couple of punching bags like Guerrero and Rios and than agree for the biggie
with Pacman once he knocks out Marquez.

Posted February 20, 2013 8:54 am 



Posted January 28, 2013 1:42 am 


Yes mayweather is faster and maybe has more skills but may has also slowed down a bit. Cotto was landing at will on may and couldn’t avoid the punches. Marquez has great conditioning now and has increased speed and strength. The fight would be entertaining and marquez might pull out a decision.

Posted January 27, 2013 7:50 pm 


Lol, can’t believe the comment that Mayweather wouldn’t want anything to do with Marquez, he boxed rings round him following a 21 month retirement, the reason there has been no talk of May v Marquez is how do they sell a rematch of a fight that was a complete shut-out?

Posted January 27, 2013 9:26 am 


Good article. Pacquiao looked sensational but was the stupidest fight he ever fought…even after he got clocked the first time. If he gave Marquez some more respect, would have been a different story. But…stupidity kills! We will only know the impact of that punch in his next fight. Fifth fight should be as big as the THRILLA! They have to let Marquez take his PED’s otherwise would be a boring fight!

Posted January 26, 2013 11:00 pm 


I’m done with this forum. It has deteriated into a cutsey dialog between 2 or 3 people sniping at one another. I wanted serious intelligent boxing comments.

Posted January 26, 2013 11:13 am 


Your a lost puppy, Marquez knocked the p4p champion/8 weight class divisions Crackquaio out and that’s deluded. Cris johm wouldn’t last one round with Marquez or your trying to drum up business for Cris john?Point is Marquez should be fighting Mayweather now but after the knockout of the century. I doubt may wants anything to do with Marquez.

Posted January 25, 2013 5:02 pm 


Marquez…..aka champion of the decade… that deluded or what,before the knock out he was what…..a punch bag for C John……

Posted January 25, 2013 2:54 pm 


Haimat, YOU are the one who betrays his ignorance and serious lack of scientific reality.. You call Heredia “the best PED guru in the world” how the hell do you arrive at that conclusion? If you believe guys are cheating left and right then there are ALOT of people on planet earth who have the know how to utilize PED’s….Just because you saw Heredias name in a headline or read about his past it’s beyond naive to think he pioneered a practice that goes back as far as the 50’s…..Like I said I NEVER heard you discuss PED usage by Marquez till he concussed Pacquiao in such cruel fashion…I feel for you to be honest, because this loss has taken a personal toll on you but its going to stand both Marquez and Pacquiao are clean athletes and speculation cannot substitute for a failed test which neither man has fouled up on….Wow you really think Heredia is the ONLY guy in sport to be involved in PED’s?? LMAO

Posted January 25, 2013 1:10 pm 


HaHaHaHa Marquez has been fighting at the top level for YEARS Lance Armstrong had several people who rode with him testify that he was using PED’s… Marquez is being dinged by seriously butthurt fans like Haimat because of their burning desire to preserve Pacquiaos current standing in the sport which has taken a hit…. Well thats NOT going to work and the difference between winning 7 Tour De Frances covering countless miles, legs of the journey and multiple competitors FAR exceeds Marquez landing a perfect shot that knocked out a boxer who had been knocked out 2X before…. Pac Man is not going to restore his rep (nor has he tried) by attempting to smear Marquez and neither will his fans… The damning evidence is the video seen ROUND the world of him getting punched completely out with his hands down, he took a page out of Ricky Hattons book on that one…LOL

Posted January 25, 2013 12:41 pm 


You’re putting words in people’s mouth SREDMOND. Why are you talking about old worn out Mosley? Who cares? He was a great fighter in 2000 when he came up from LW to beat Oscar. He’s been collecting pay checks for quite some time now.
Zab Judah did pretty well against Floyd in the first half of that fight until he ran out of steam which he always does late in fights.

Posted January 25, 2013 5:43 am 


Oh so hitting an old steamed out guy with a jab and doing a funny face is clowning. That’s for information.

Posted January 25, 2013 5:35 am 


It’s common knowledge that Shane had two rounds of steam in that fight. What are you jiddering about?

Posted January 25, 2013 5:33 am 


Marquez’s 3d fight was his best by far. In my book he won that fight. He showed the strength from Heredia and Pac was caught off guard. I agree with the judges in the first two fights. Pacquiao’s best fight was the fourth except for the two big punches. The way Marquez trains at 40 with Heredia is more suspect than Armstrong winning 7 tours after cancer. Marquez used to be a master boxer. He outboxed Pac. He didn’t knock him down in 36 rounds and all of a sudden he’s a young Mike Tyson at age 40 after working with the best PED guru in the world. Live in ignorance SREDMOND or do your home work!

Posted January 25, 2013 5:28 am 


This writer is just too much. hahahahahahahahaha

Posted January 24, 2013 7:17 pm 


I will not say Pacman is WASHED UP; but in my heart; I dont believe he was the same fighter he was years ago; and definitely after that KO in December. I believe his best bet is to retire and continue to pursue his political career in his native land. No need to end up both brain damaged and broke. Apparently there is some financial issues as well; especially when you have Arum shopping for venues for a fifth fight that will not hurt the fighter TAX WISE. That’s sounds to me like there are some money issues as well. Something I’ve suspected for a little while here!!!!!

Posted January 24, 2013 4:44 pm 


In Haimat’s book Shane was victorious and should be held up as a monument to how to fight Mayweather and make the world take notice… What a cosmic JOKE!!! Shane Mosley was made to look like a grandpa after the second round, he was confused, frustrated and totally unable to cope with a superior athlete and fighter… The late Manny Steward was lamenting Shanes inability to deal with Mayweather’s speed and athleticism Steward said ” I hate to say this Shanes looking like an OLD man” and Steward had been one of the guys who gave Mosley a GOOD chance after the energy and power he showed facing Margarito… BUT alas FMJ was not the plodding, face first Tony Margs..He is a historical superfighter that has been unbeatable for 15 years… Shane did NOT prove SH@#$%T Mayweather did ALL the proving…

Posted January 24, 2013 3:01 pm 


“Still, his ability to evade Mayweather’s punches with the slightest movement of his head was pure art. Did you happen to see that?”- NO. The dream machine hasn’t been invented yet SO we are unable to see YOUR dreams. In reality Mayweather landes at WILL and made Mosely threw up the white flag begging for mercy. “Come on MAN! We’re buddies! Don’t hit ME and I won’t hit YOU!”

Posted January 24, 2013 2:59 pm 


“After Shane proved his point, he quit”- Well he’d better learn how to prove a STRONGER point. IF your point doesn’t involve completely out Boxing, knocking down, or knocking out your opponent then thats a WEAK point. Mayweather proved HIS point by out Boxing Mosely 11 rounds to ONE. Now THAT is a GOOD point.

Posted January 24, 2013 2:52 pm 


Haimat, did you NOT see Mayweather in the latter rounds smiling when was punching Mosley dead in the face? Or when Shane was trying to talk and Floyd drilled him?? I know your Cable probably goes dead during moments when Mayweather is making a fool of the comp but it HAPPENED…. Shane tried to get Mayweather against the ropes and Floyd dipped popped him straight in the mouth and then smiled for the cameras… Thats called CLOWNING!!

Posted January 24, 2013 2:39 pm 


Haimat, how was Marquez “revitalized” just a year before he fought Pac Man to a virtual standstill that resulted in ALOT of people thinking that Manny had lost…(I was OK with the bout going either way)…Marquez has been chasing Pacquiao down for 8 years and he FINALLY caught up with him to devastating effect…In fact as it pertains to overall boxing Marquez did better in fight 3 than the 6 rounds of fight 4 but when he landed this time around he got the perfect shots thru… Why do you think that Pac and Marquez fought 4 times? its because neither could put the other away UNTIL Marquez caught Manny wide open and ran him into a killer shot… What an amazing piece of boxing for the GREAT JMM….!!

Posted January 24, 2013 2:33 pm 


Haimat, how the hell do 2 or 3 blows equal “the kitchen sink” to say you are exaggerating is an understatement, a more appropriate characterization would be fantasy… You say Shane went into “survival mode” that is the EXTREME of human behavior when physical safety and overall well being is threatened…What brought about such an intense and primative response in Mosley?? Well let me educate it wa the lightning fast hands of FMJ which basically let Shane know the more you open up the MORE you will be punished.. You have basically validated EVERYTHING I have said about Mayweathers performance vs Mosley and to be honest I appreciate your capitulation and the assist…. When a HOF fighter is only “seeking to survive” he has been mentally and physically dominated CASE CLOSED Mayweather UD… You are gonna have to keep dreaming about Floyd losing it has not happened unlike the Great Manny who just got destroyed ……

Posted January 24, 2013 2:20 pm 


Haimat, you want me to join you in the land of speculation when I am discussing results.. You seek to guide me down the road of fantasy when I have videotape to remove all doubt.. Manny Pacquiao was knocked out and thats really ALL that matters.. The tooth fairy and the Easter Bunny did not do it, his combatant was not named Angel Heredia it was Juan Manuel Marqeuz… Your questions call for me to indict Marquez without a shred of proof beyond him bulking up and knocking Manny cold and sorry I am just not gonna do that ESPECIALLY for Pacquiao who has been in my estimation the subject of PED rumors for the better part of 4 years…. It would be total hypocrisy for me to smear Marquez and then indemnify Pacquiao who was in no rush to engage in enhanced testing… Unlike alot of CLOWNS on ESB I saw the fight and the results speak for themselves…

Posted January 24, 2013 2:15 pm 


There was no clowning going on. Shane hit Floyd with everything but the kitchen sink and ran out of steam and subsequently went into survival mode. It’s nothing unusual. It happens all the time in boxing. What’s remarkable is the fact that Floyd wasn’t able to stop an old tired man who barely threw punches for 10 rounds.

Posted January 24, 2013 11:15 am 


SREDMOND, I agree with you on your last reply. It had nothing to do with my post but oh well. You’re like an angry teenager who’s not responding to any of the questions. You chose to be blind which is ok with me. You might not be able to draw conclusions based on observations or you deliberately keep your eyes closed. Whatever the reasons, it’s tragic. You spend more time on ESB than any other poster(except for maybe Boxtradamus) and your posts are of such low quality it’s tragic.

Posted January 24, 2013 11:03 am 


The only conclusion I draw comes from videotape, and it goes like this Manny Pacquaio in his lust to finally get rid of Marquez lunges towards JMM at the end of the round and eats s flush right hand, he then goes down on his face, the crowd cheers, his wide crys and he is thankfully revived by smelling salts… I don’t have to speculate at all because those were the facts… Did not see Heredia punch Pacquiao in the face!!

Posted January 24, 2013 10:56 am 


Hidalgo the ONLY point Shane proved is that he could lose 10 rounds in a row to a better fighter.. The notion that Mosley was in there playing a game taking flush shots from Mayweather is ridiculous, had Shane won he would have stood to make millions but he was dominated and never looked the same… Wow I knew you were desperate before but Pacquaio getting laid out has driven you over the edge… SMH

Posted January 24, 2013 9:11 am 


PAC Man seems to be dealing with Marquez damn near knocking his head off better than Haimat LOL!! Face facts kid Manny got starched and any discussion to the contrary falls under the heading of EXCUSES.. Marquez caught him asleep at the wheel and he would be laughed off the planet like you trying to blame Heredia for the gorgeous right hand Marquez buried in his skull…

Posted January 24, 2013 8:44 am 


What’s there to be hurt about?? Mayweather dominated him and you’re hanging on to one moment of success like it changed the outcome… Sugar Shane got owned!!

Posted January 24, 2013 8:39 am 


Hidalgo, I see you dying inside as usual because your arguments always run counter to the FACTS, Mayweather owned Shane Mosley who cares about that moment of jeopardy in the second round?? When the smoke cleared Shane lost 10 straight rounds and that’s called being dominated in the world of boxing.. The crowd was oooing and aaaaahing as Mayweather CLOWNED Shane… I know you think Mosley did well but alas you are very much on your own.. As for Pacquaio he got starched by a gorgeous right hand and again your excuses and X files theories cannot peel your mans face off that canvas… The sooner you accept these immutable truths the quicker you will begin to heal emotionally!

Posted January 24, 2013 8:27 am 

Anthony Jeffrey

Fight Scribe – thanks for your opinion. I never claimed to be a journalist or have any boxing writing credentials. I just wrote to express my opinion, just as you are doing here. The name’s Jeff’re’y btw ;)

Posted January 24, 2013 4:26 am 

Fight Scribe

Anthony Jeffery writer of this article should have his articled vetted by Eastsideboxing, this is amateur journalism from a guy that has not credential to be writing about boxing barely let alone writing at all. Just ill informed rhetoric from one of life’s rejects. What a waste of 2 minutes of life it took to read this crap. Id be ashamed if my name were attached to that article.

Posted January 24, 2013 4:09 am 

Hidalgo Butt Hurt

@Hidalgo Did Mayweather go down at all? NO. Did he come back in that round? YES! Did shane do anything else in that fight? NO. You’re butt hurt.

Posted January 24, 2013 1:27 am 


Crackquaio not washed up as long as there is no blood testing and he takes that Epo and hgh.
The fight will not be in the U.S, so there will be no blood testing and Ariza will be laying the peds on
thick for this next fight. Marquez was never hurt just blooded and playing possum in the fifth round, waiting for crackquaio to line for the massive right hand. It took until the sixth round and Cracquaio paid a million dollars in tickets to give to his buddies and got PLANKED OUT!!!!!

Posted January 23, 2013 11:26 pm 


Haimat-NOPE. What I’m saying is that Marquez got himself a Strength and Conditioning who helped him add Power SO that when Marquez lands his perfectly timed counters he can knock Pac out. That’s not over analysis. That’s called ON THE MONEY analysis. Those right hands were devastating. The one in the middle of the 5th round shook Pacquiao down to his BOOTS. I don’t know how he didn’t fall….He should avoid another Marquez Fight and take his chances vs. someone who doesn’t already have him timed SO well. Again that’s on the MONEY analysis.

Posted January 23, 2013 11:11 pm 

te tumbo

“. . . you reply with the same ‘innocent until proven guilty by USADA test’ argument which is a childish argument . . .” but it’s the very same argument Manny’s* fanboys used to defend Pacquiao* for refusing to test and face Mayweather for a $25–$50 million payday(?!). Pacquiao* also declined Marquez’s invitation/challenge to accept testing for their fight, e.g., “I will take ANY test, ANY time. I’ve got NOTHING to hide”. there is only one reason for the desperation of Pacquiao’s* fanboys to improve testing now: Marquez’s devastating and career-ending KO of Pacquiao*. Too Late. the rivalry is OVER. Marquez is Greater. Viva Marquez!

Posted January 23, 2013 9:43 pm 


i am not making up excuses for Paquiao being koed. it is boxing. you are supposed to knock the other guy out . however i believe that a contributing factor to Manny’s k.o. in particular is that his feet were not planted firmly on the ring apron when Marquez landed his bomb. when Paquiao jumped into Marquez,one of Paquiao’s feet planted on Marquez’s foot leaving manny some what off balance. maybe this was a contributing factor? Maybe not? just a thought. Marquez landed his punch at that precise time however.

Posted January 23, 2013 9:21 pm 


BTW, butt hurt, you better go back and watch that fight again. That was no lucky punch that had FMJ hanging on Mosley’s arm like a rattled rag doll. That was a perfectly timed and executed punch. Floyd knows it too because it almost took him out. After Shane proved his point, he quit.

Posted January 23, 2013 9:14 pm 


“Shane Mosley was PWNED by Mayweather.” Actually, butt hurt boy, no, he wasn’t. Mosley quit. He literally gave the fight to Floyd after he showed him he had the power and the skill to put him out if he wanted to. Believe what you want. I know what I saw. So does Bernard Hopkins. But go ahead, you and super expert SRedmond go ahead and prove Bhop wrong. If you can.

Posted January 23, 2013 9:11 pm 


correction: It was 18 months that Floyd waited, after fight Marquez, before he fought Mosley.

Posted January 23, 2013 9:09 pm 


You are WRONG SRedmond. Plain and simple. Roidless Shane Mosley quit, just like Bernard Hopkins said he did. I saw it too, so did fans around the world. You just don’t want your little hero to be any less than you want him to be. So-so performance by FMJ. Even worse one by Shane Mosley. Besides that nearly 1 1/2 years passed after Mosley fought Margarito before him and FMJ met up in the ring. If FMJ is such champion destroyer, why didn’t he bust a nut to fight Mosley within six months after Mosley beat Margarito? Safer to wait, I’m thinking. You know darn well the fight could have been made if Mayweather really wanted it because GBP would have made it happen. But no, Floyd needed his annual year-long vacation. Wait. It was 18 months before he

Posted January 23, 2013 9:08 pm 


“And yes that was a DRUBBING, a DOMINATION and it marked the end of Mosleys relevance at the top of the sport” BULLFUGGINSHYTE!! It was a pissant performance by both Mosley and Mayweather. Mosley was worthless without his PEDs and you want to give FMJ all the credit for what? Please SRedmond, you can only suck on FMJ’s balls for so long without us noticing. Wait. I noticed from the very start!

Posted January 23, 2013 8:58 pm 


“The FACT remains that NO drug can boost your SKILLS and Boxing IQ.” No, but they can make you a better fighter, and a better athlete, and a winner. If they didn’t, no one would use them–in any sport.

Posted January 23, 2013 8:54 pm 


Like I’ve said before, Pac to hire Heredia to prepare his shakes and keep Roach on and keep Ariza on and he’s unbeatable. He’ll get his youthful aggression back too. Heredia has a shake for everything.

Posted January 23, 2013 8:28 pm 


I watched the russian show and they told it like it was.

Posted January 23, 2013 8:24 pm 


MAKE all the Excuses you want. The FACT remains that NO drug can boost your SKILLS and Boxing IQ. Pacquiao lost due to lack of Defensive SKILLS and Boxing IQ. I just re watched the Fight for the First time and Pacquiao was getting hammered with the Right all Fight long. His chin is unbelievable but making Defensive adjustments is GREATER than having a GREAT chin. Wladimir Klitschko agrees with ME on that….midway through the 5th round Marquez hit Pacquiao with a right hand that made his entire body twist around and the HBO crew somehow doesnt make ANY mention of it when they’re supposed to be calling the Fight. They need to learn how to call the Fight evenly and stop riding the Favorite Fighter’s BALL sack. ALL of those right hands that Pacquiao got nailed with an NO ONE on the broadcast team notices it….Roy Jones is even praising Pacquiao saying that Pacquiao won’t get knocked down again shortly before he gets knocked out. LMFAO!! Classic!!

Posted January 23, 2013 8:04 pm 


Haimat needs to learn alot more about Boxing. Who ever heard of WINNING 10 rds vs. The Top rated guy in the Division being called looking bad?? LOL.

Posted January 23, 2013 7:47 pm 


SREDMOND, so young Ortiz got kayoed because of “the pressure theory”?

Posted January 23, 2013 7:46 pm 


Live in the dark SREDMOND and be happy. I couldn’t care less. I bet you defended Lance Armstrong up until the day he admitted. Everything about Marquez since he started working with Heredia suggests he’s taking PEDs. We’ve been discussing this many times before and you reply with the same “innocent until proven guilty by USADA test” argument which is a childish argument if you’ve studied an hour or two on the subject. I won’t discuss this with you anymore since you’re clearly not open to seeing what pretty much everybody including the HBO commentators have accepted.

Juan Manuel Marquez has been juicing for his last 3 fights. I won’t say 100 but I’m 99.9% sure. Same as I was with Armstrong and Bolt and Yohan Blake. I don’t blame him. He’s 40. He could never train that way without supplements and his own urine won’t do the trick.

Posted January 23, 2013 7:43 pm 


IF Mayweather looked bad vs Cotto ALL other Boxers should learn how to look bad TOO. Because Floyd WON more rounds off of Cotto than any EVER has. SO that means Trout looked WORSE than bad. He must’ve looked TERRIBLE.

Posted January 23, 2013 7:42 pm 


I would love to see the fight between master marquez and crackquaio both blood tested 24/7. Believe me, crackquiao will look like a simpleton while the master marquez knocks him silly into plank land.

Posted January 23, 2013 7:37 pm 


The ONLY formula to beat Floyd is OLD age for gods sake the guy is 36 years old and has been fighting for 15 or 16 years we have heard theory after theory ashe remains undefeated and keeps making it look easy… Marquez beat Pac Man, and so did Morales… Mayweather beat Marquez like a pimp beats a hoe… We have heard the left handed theory, the pressure theory and where did that get Hatton and Ortiz? Both knocked out…..Floyd might lose, but it will likely have more to do with decline because in his prime he remained untouched

Posted January 23, 2013 7:36 pm 


Haimat- Whether Pacquiao takes MY advice or not is UP to HIM. MY track record is STRONG. Marquez took MY advice and ended up knocking Manny out. IF Manny takes MY advice he has a chance for redemption. IF he continues on the same path he will seriously HURT….Just as I would tell an alcoholic to lay OFF the alcohol I’m telling Manny to drop Roach. Now whether he DOES it or not is up to HIM.f Whatever he decides to DO I say GOOD luck to him.

Posted January 23, 2013 7:34 pm 


Haimat, you are FAILING to prove that Marquez is dirty if you have something other than Heredias past then please submit?? Other than that you are going to have to live with the results.. I can tell you have a LOW scientific acumen by your usage of the term “bad vs good” PED’s …. If every test was infallible then NO ONE would get caught but alas baseball has some of the biggest stars and Morales and Peterson just got bagged.. Until proven otherwish JMM smashed Pac Man fair and square and thats not going to change

Posted January 23, 2013 7:34 pm 


ROCCO that’s great news! I’d like to apply that formula on Floyd Jr. myself :D. The 80s especially the WW was a whole different era… Pac would have fought them all but I can’t see him beating Duran Leonard or Hearns. Pryor was a beast also. Floyd would have avoided the whole lot.

Posted January 23, 2013 7:31 pm 


Haimat? – FORMULA to beat Floyd Mayweather Jr. : Study Floyd Mayweather Sr. vs. Sugar Ray Leonard + Hit Floyd’s LEFT side rib cage with body hooks when he’s got cross over defense on ropes + overhand right to head when on ropes with cross over defense. + Jab = VICTORY. Floyd Sr. was a better fighter than Jr. , he only lost some because the competition was a lot more stiff in the 1980’s. God be with you. Peace.

Posted January 23, 2013 7:24 pm 


Mayweather may not take the Fight IF Pacquiao were to retire and come back but he should TRY. Option #2 is Bradley. IF he can come straight out of retirement and beat Bradley impressively his stock will SKYROCKET. You’d be surprised at how SHORT people’s memories ARE. One impressive WIN and all is forgotten.

Posted January 23, 2013 7:23 pm 


Haimat, the reality is that you are trying to sell Heredias past as Marquez present and thats just not going to wash… Where was this outcry when Marquez fought Manny the last time?? This is a result of an unfavorable result…. You are PISSED because Manny got knocked cold and alot of your inner peace was destroyed… You also fail to mention that Heredia has been working with the government and his high profile subjects his athletes to extra scrutiny, if Marquez was going to cheat its likely he would use someone who is far more low key than Heredia… As for Vargas “using bad PED’s” you sound like an idiot he used a very well known compound in the community and got bopped…Since you seem to know so much WHAT EXACTLY was Marquez using and when did he start??? I mean you want to sell this theory so badly surely you have something other than your T.V screen to back you up??? LMAO!!

Posted January 23, 2013 7:15 pm 


Floyd is a beast. No doubt. He peaked against Gatti and right now he should be careful. He looked bad against a faded Cotto. Guerrero and then Rios would be perfect for Floyd, only problem Rios is with Top Rank…

Posted January 23, 2013 7:11 pm 


Haimat, I almost pissed my pants “Bradley bust up Mayweather” you gotta be joking Tim Bradley looked TERRIBLE against Manny Pacquiao and he is a very good but NOT elite opponent… He could NEVER outbox Mayweather and he sure is not going to knock him out the kid stops a fighter every 5 years and thats at 140 pounds… Seriously that was funny and it will never happen due to the promotional rivalry between Top Rank and Golden Boy/ Mayweather productions…

Posted January 23, 2013 7:11 pm 


SREDMOND, you’re repeating the same thing over and over. Didn’t you listen last time we had this conversation? Obviously not. Your arguments are childish. Vargas was a chump who took bad steroids and got caught. Much like Toney and that dude Wladimir fought.
Heredia is the Rolls Royce of PEDs. He’s been working with 20 Olympic medalists including Marion Jones, Justin Gatlin and that whole generation who all admitted to doing PEDs and their lives were destroyed. They never tested positive once out of hundreds of tests. Heredia came clean in 2008 and admitted in detail to everything, unlike Armstrong who’s still lying. Reading about Heredia is impressive. The dude is a master at his craft.
Suggesting that Marquez is clean when everything suggests that he’s juiced up is childish. I’m 99.9% sure he’s bought the whole package. Compare him against Floyd to the last fight. Two different fighters.

Posted January 23, 2013 7:06 pm 


Cotto was a Champion at 154 and in 3 divisions what other boxer in that division had his credentials or brought that type of money to the table???? Floyd fought Ortiz after coming back from a 17 month layoff and the reality is that Ortiz had a belt that he won from Berto… Mayweather was 10 years older and 14 pounds lighter than the kid when he wiped him out… Canelo is a VERY good, strong young fighter and FMJ giving him a shot is risky because Canelo is more native to 154 pounds… AGAIN no one is going to make you 100% comfortable so really whats the point?? Mayweather is 36 next month he is not going to fight Trout where he has to bring ALL the PPV power to the dance… As for Al Haymon, Mayweather has NOT been with him his whole career and he would be a fool to not cash out while he can… As big as I am on FMJ 37 might be the point where he becomes vulnerable to a lessor fighter, he is on the clock

Posted January 23, 2013 7:05 pm 


Using the PED brush to smear every athlete out there or account for every result that guys don’t like is simply WEAK… Reality is that Pac and Marquez have always been clean fighters as we know it… BEFORE they had big money and stardom they did not test positive so they deserve the benefit of the doubt in my mind… Pacquiao got knocked out and he is to his credit NOT making excuses, no one can even show me a true elite fighter who was juicing that really had an exceptional performance… Mosley looked WORSE in the 2nd fight where it was confirmed he was on something against ODH and Vargas got knocked out against Oscar…. Reality is that if Marquez had lost with that physique NO ONE would have been ranting about him starching Pacquiao, but he won so now everyones is saying “SEEEEEEEEEEEEEE” that’s a very non-scientific approach to the scenario

Posted January 23, 2013 6:59 pm 


Floyd has been with Al Haymond his whole career. Haymond is putting the p4p #6 Broner in with Gavin Rees!!!??? in his next fight. Floyd has been handled with extreme caution his whole career. Not saying he’s not talented

Posted January 23, 2013 6:53 pm 


Sure, Floyd is fighting the biggest names possible(with the smallest risk possible) these last fights. Remember, Floyd doesn’t give a rat’s ass if the boxing fans get what they want. He’s only in it for the $ and will never risk that precious 0 if he feels the risk is too big. The general public might think Ortiz was a credible opponent and Canelo is the best at 154 and that’s why Floyd fights these fights. Bradley will bust Floyd up just like Cotto did. Floyd is slipping.

Posted January 23, 2013 6:50 pm 


Bradley is a wipeout fight for Mayweather, who he is fighting next will HAVE to be high profile FMJ is not gonna fight for peanuts this is the countdown… What did you expect against Cotto a fight with 0 competition like he laid down against Marquez?? Cotto busted Pac Mans eardrum even though Manny beat him down for 12 rounds till the stoppage… As for Trout, the reality is that he does not have much of a name… Floyd will fight Alvarez before Trout as well he should, because Canelo is gonna create a BIG event…Mayweather is at the end of his career, he is not going to fight a no name guy in a division that he is not truly native to in order to appease hardcore fans….

Posted January 23, 2013 6:43 pm 


I think Canelo is an easier fight than Trout. Sure Cotto is an ATG on the slide. Floyd in all fairness is also slipping. He got caught way too much and lost more rounds than anybody expected against Cotto who got his ass handed to him by trout in the very next fight. Floyd’s twitter said he’s not fighting Guerrero. I’d like to see Floyd face Bradley since I doubt he’ll fight Trout. The risk is too big and Trout is unknown to the public. Bradley will put up a fight!

Posted January 23, 2013 6:36 pm 


Haimat, how do you figure that the NOW 36 year old Mayweather is NOT gonna fight Canelo? we all know that Guerrero is the FIRST fight and the Cotto fight was a terrific contest between an ATG level fighter and HOFER… The notion that Miguel Cotto who fought the MOST rigorous WW schedule of anyone around is some sort of punk or easy fight is nonsense… Floyd had to dig a little deeper than usual and he got his customary UD win over a rival… Assuming Canelo does not book a loss the word is that FMJ will be fighting him after Guerrero…

Posted January 23, 2013 6:32 pm 


I’m not saying Pacquiao has never taken any illegal PEDs or Floyd has never taken illegal PEDs. I’m simply saying that the posts on ESB are ridiculous on the subject. These ignorant posters jump on Floyd’s band wagon and accuse Manny of being on PEDs for not agreeing to Floyd’s demands at one particular time. I wouldn’t trust Floyd with my left shoe. He’s a convicted woman beater and security guard beater. He’s as educated as a lamp post. He’ll say anything to earn a dollar.
Pac has been fighting the same way his whole career. He’s always had power. His body shows no signs of PEDs. He’s never associated himself with known PED users/suppliers or anything like that.
Don’t post foolish BS with no substance to it and expect to get credibility.
Suspect Donaire for working with Conte. Suspect 40 yo Marquez for looking like an aggressive bull all of a sudden after working with Angel Heredia who’s expertise and profession is PEDs and nothing else. He’s not even in shape. Fat. Suspect B-Hop who at 50 is fighting young men and beating them.
Just saying.

Posted January 23, 2013 6:28 pm 


the public, you need to do your homework if you want to discuss PEDs. Do you know who Angel Heredia is? Do you know his background? There is NO ONE on the planet earth more involved in illegal PEDs than Angel Heredia. He has expertise knowledge in how to administer the intake of different substances(testosterone, steroids, epo and what not), the daily blood tests to make sure everything is under control and how to make absolutely 100% sure that none of his clients(that pay enough) will ever test positive in any USADA drug test or any other test for that matter.

Just google the dude. It’s all there. He did a Lance Armstrong and told everything in 2008. Don’t be ignorant and compare him to Ariza or any other trainer for that matter. I don’t think any of his clients have ever been caught in tests as far as I know.

mansworld, that’s pure BS. Not a trace of substance to your post. Listen, only fools with bad trainers or bad advisers and not enough money get caught in OST. Armstrong, Manion Jones, Bolt, Yohan Blake and the list goes on and on did ever test positive in any test. Wake up!

Posted January 23, 2013 6:18 pm 


The whole issue of PEDs was brought up by former HW champ Michael Moorer. He was trained by Roach and knew exactly what Manny was on. And warned MW. They never would agree to the olympic style testing to prove otherwise they simply choose fighters who didnt care about it. Floyd brought the issue to the front now alot of boxers are agreeing to it. Manny never would agree to random blood how can a man turn down 50 mil, for a test? Manny was been on the deline every since. Before moving up in weight at best he was a average fighter. Then all of a sudden he becomes superman, Look at the history of athelites who used steriods and look how fast they declined. Manny has never been caught because boxing dosent require random blood

Posted January 23, 2013 6:08 pm 


BoxtradumAss needs to take his head out of his ass and understand that Pac will never leave Roach. You think you’re smart for saying that Roach ain’t no defensive trainer. Pac could hire Angel Heredia to administer his protein shakes and keep Ariza on to handle the actual strength and conditioning training. He would be unbeatable! Strong as an elephant, fast as ever before and aggressive as fu**. Still Pac would never associate himself with Heredia so that option is ruled out as well.

Posted January 23, 2013 5:18 pm 


Apparently Guerrero is not an option anymore for little Floyd. Floyd’s too small for 154 which his less than stellar achievement against Cotto displayed. There ain’t that many options left if he wants a huge fight. Still he fought old punching bag Baldomir and kiddo Ortiz so I wouldn’t be surprised if he fought punching bag Rios or Bradley which would actually be a good fight. A pac fight at this stage would still be a great fight but Floyd’s unwillingness to make that fight rules that option out.

Posted January 23, 2013 5:10 pm 


Pacquiao is not going to retire…, He has unfinished business with Marquez and Mayweather—and he has plans for those boys.. He wasn’t guaranteed success when he started his professional career 19 years ago. Nobody can guarantee him success when he faces Marquez for the 5th fight in their series.. Every boxer takes his chances when he steps through those ropes and Pac is no exception … But he’s an enraged bull. He’s coming with preparation, determination, conviction, laser beam like focus, with vengeance, malice, and murder in his heart. He’ll have to tone that down a bit to be at his best for Marq V. After all, when he lost to Morales he turned that boy in-side-out. Sometimes a loss is your best friend because it reignites that infernal desire that destroys everything in its path … Like the Heat losing to Dallas. That was a bummer for Bron—but not the end, as so many pundits proclaimed.

Posted January 23, 2013 5:07 pm 


The Public, I disagree Pacquiao has been a Championship fighter since something like 96, he was wiping out Barrera and Morales back in the early 2000’s he is NOT a guy who “came out of nowhere” as for his “decline” its largely based on his difficulties with JMM who troubled him at 126 pounds back in 2004 so its very hard to say Pac Man is a truly “declined fighter”… Anyone can look declined after a KO like that, if the GREAT FMJ gets knocked out next week what will we say?? Pac Mans last 3 fights have been against an ATG 3 weight Champion and a FRESH young undefeated fighter in Bradley who has flirted with the P4P list (Most think Pac won) I think Pacs story gets told over the next 2 contests depending on who he faces (Marquez is a lock)…. Besides what juiced up ATG do we have to compare him to???

Posted January 23, 2013 4:56 pm 


Boxtradamus LOVES to applaud the fact that Floyd does NOT typically fight guys coming directly off losses which is for the most part TRUE, BUT now he wants him to fight Pacquiao coming DIRECTLY off a crushing KO loss to a guy Floyd won 12 rounds off while barely making a sweat? Add to that the idea that he should wait a YEAR to fight him so Pac might be ring rusted in the process…. What a smart thesis on how Pacquiao should comeback to the sport…. The Mayweather bout would have far more cache if Pac fought and defeated JMM… If he does not then the STALE dated bout never comes off, but truth be told Pacquiao needs a SOLID win over JMM in order to make that contest truly interesting again..

Posted January 23, 2013 4:46 pm 


When they say he was beating JMM, what they mean is Manny was starting to make contact, knocked JMM down, broken and bloodied his nose. And yes technically being ahead by 1 point at the end of a fight means you beat your opponent.

Posted January 23, 2013 4:24 pm 


Manny Pacquiao is NOT going to change much as a boxers he is 34 with 60 bouts under his belt, he is going to win and lose employing some version of the SAME tactics that made him Fighter of the Decade… The idea that his legacy will improve by retiring is DUMB…. That would do what? Allow him to be OLDER upon return and have the notion that Marquez retired him baked into his legacy… There is NOT a trainer in the world that would offer Pac Man more than subtle tweaks…Assuming that Marquez can duplicate that KO or some version of that is assumptive, LAZY thinking when JMM had never downed Pac Man before in 36 rounds…. Manny knows that JMM can hurt him and he would be wise to favor an aggressive approach that incorporates patience… Marquez is NEVER going to lead so its up to Manny to make the fight…. This fight is GONNA happen and we will see who predicts what and actually sticks to it when the time arrives

Posted January 23, 2013 4:20 pm 


Really?? I cant belive this article was written. You my friend are the definition of a Pactard in denial.

Posted January 23, 2013 4:14 pm 


Although such a devastating lost may or may not be indicative of a boxer’s declining abilities, there are numerous reasons why we can speculate Pac’s “washed-up” status. Though many people believe that Pac lost to Juan due to a “lucky” punch, I don’t see it that way. He got hit by many similar punches throughout the fight and it was just a matter of time before the punch could land as it did. He was also knocked down on a previous round and was rocked on more than one occasion.

However, I must agree that just one lost cannot be the sole reason why a fighter may labeled as washed-up. As others here mentioned, a fighter’s long career, the amount of punishment he has endured, as well as training methods and habits will play a part in a fighter’s ability to continue with his career and be effective.

My prediction is that Pac will lose to Marquez again if the fight does indeed takes place, especially if he uses the same strategy as in the previous fight where he went for the ko in every round. Because of that strategy he left himself opened to a counter punch, which is Marquez specialty. His only chance is to box as he is in fact faster than Juan, but I think he can outbox Juan for twelve rounds as did Floyd. Marquez fight may be his last…in a big way.

Posted January 23, 2013 4:14 pm 


Repeatedly exclaiming the same thing over and over again until something appears to come true is not a prediction. It’s called being a hater! So Manny now or never has had a boxing skillset, nor has he fought at an elite level until his knockout lose to JMM? Wow! you Boxtradamus are an incredulous idiot!

Posted January 23, 2013 4:09 pm 


Did you even bother to read the article, or did your very short attention span get the best of you. The author is arguing against the Pacquiao detractors.

Posted January 23, 2013 4:05 pm 


Even Hatton was totally dominated all that mauling and wasted energy saw him getting picked apart and abused… The last 3 rounds of Mayweather/Hatton should be required training for ALL boxers, Floyd had Ricky following him around eating jabs, lead rights, step in lefts then he set the battered Hatton up and bounced him off the turnbuckle like a schoolyard bully does to a kid…

Posted January 23, 2013 3:17 pm 


The Public, Morales hit Pacquiao with the same shots in the second and 3rd bouts as he did in the first and he (Morales) was ultimately stopped.. The same boxer is not necessarily going to be able to take the same punches on a different day.. Juan Manuel Marquez has stopped MORE fighters than Pacquiao, the notion that he cannot hit is debunked by the 40 pro fighters he has stopped in his career.. The first KD was very solid but Pac Man got back up and was not stumbling, the second shot was picture perfect and might have at least put down a guy at 154 the way Pac walked into it… Why smear a great piece of history with unproven accusations??

Posted January 23, 2013 3:14 pm 


I can picture Mayweather calling out Manny now, because we all know Mayweather willonly fight washed up or smaller fighters

Posted January 23, 2013 3:09 pm 


just like Armstrong

Posted January 23, 2013 3:09 pm 


Marquez was juiced out of his mind. 99.9% sure.

Posted January 23, 2013 3:08 pm 

Pacquiao Fans Butt Hurt

@hidalgo LMFAO. Shane Mosley was PWNED by Mayweather. Don’t know which fight you were watching. You could argue for DLH against Mayweather, heck even Hatton v Mayweather until the KO, but Mosley? That wasn’t even competitive except for half a round when Shane got a couple of lucky punches in.

Posted January 23, 2013 3:01 pm 


Washed up because he lost a (bs) decision and then got knocked out? What kind of crap is that? I guess 80% or more of the fighters out there are washed up, then. Pacquiao isn’t washed up. Folks like James Toney are washed up.

Posted January 23, 2013 3:00 pm 


Hidalgo, NO ONE aside from you seems to find much to laud about Shanes performance absent his short run of success in the second round.. Mosley was a punching bag who was trying to gain clemency by glove touching when FMJ wanted to fight… And yes that was a DRUBBING, a DOMINATION and it marked the end of Mosleys relevance at the top of the sport…Up until that point NO other fighte Vernon Forrest included had EVER basically won 10 rounds off Mosley with EASE…He was dominated, he was embarassed and your interpretations of his trainers words really don’t sell…. Nazim, said “I’m not going to sit around and let you take punishment” and that was because Floyd was striking and Mosley was 2 steps behind and increasingly reluctant to let his hands go because of the clinical retaliation…. Mosley got dominated END OF STORY

Posted January 23, 2013 2:54 pm 

Pacquiao Fans Butt Hurt

Title should read – PEDs losing potency – the unglamorous decline of Manny PEDcquiao.

Posted January 23, 2013 2:50 pm 


“but that does not negate the fact he got a DRUBBING from Floyd Mayweather Jr ” Hogwash. I’ve watched enough Shane Mosley and Floyd Mayweather Jr. fights to know a drubbing when I see one. And as you probably well know SRedmond, if you watched the fight, Richardson threatened to stop the fight for several reasons: Mosley wasn’t doing what he told him to do, Mosley wasn’t trying, Richardson was fed up. No, sorry partner, there was no drubbing. There was however a quitter in the ring. That was Shane Mosley. Still, his ability to evade Mayweather’s punches with the slightest movement of his head was pure art. Did you happen to see that?

Posted January 23, 2013 2:48 pm 


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Posted January 23, 2013 2:40 pm 


It’s difficult to say what would happen should they fight a 5th fight right away. Does Manny have Parkinson? Many fighters are not the same after being knocked out cold especially at an advanced age. Manny is special though and it’s impossible to say what would happen.

He did batter Marquez every minute of every round in the 4th fight except for the 3d round. He was well prepared and was a step ahead of Marquez. It was the most dominant performance between the two except for the very first round they fought back when it was cold as fu**. A knock out was coming and Marquez landed the ridiculously hard Angel-Heredia-boosted-right-hand before Pacquiao landed 100 more flush shots on Marquez.

We’ve seen it all before from one of the greatest fighters of all time up there with Ali, Duran and Robinson. I say it’s time to retire before boxing retires Pacquaio.

Posted January 23, 2013 2:34 pm 


I’m wondering how Marquez doing now? After that beating you think he can do another fight with Pacman?

Posted January 23, 2013 2:16 pm 


Has JMMS head got larger…..Best ask the ped specialist….Tumbo….

Posted January 23, 2013 12:31 pm 


Despite his detractors and BLIND haters Manny Pacquiao is a courageous fighter who did not let setbacks in the past keep him from Greatness and he seems to want to rise to the occasion this time… Telling him “retire because he got knocked out” defies his pedigree in the sport and willingness to face Great fighters head on…The reason Pac Man got knocked out is because he was man enough to fight his TOUGHEST rival for a 4th time in an age of boxing where lessor fighters duck opportunities to face Champions (Povetkin)…. I am a HUGE JMM fan, his Greatness was solidifed by his encounters with Pacquiao, but a 5th trip to the will with Pac Man might be too much…. Time will tell

Posted January 23, 2013 12:20 pm 


Pacquiao would be a DAMN fool to retire after that loss, he was in the ring with a GREAT fighter who is his arch nemesis… He owns two wins over this fighter albeit both close as hell… Should Pacquiao retire the last memory of him in the ring will be flat on his face, and the detractors will try and portray that as the sum total of his career experience… I just watched that bout AGAIN this morning and Roach told him to keep moving his head and Manny got careless… Pac Man has the opportunity to reaffirm his GREATNESS by getting back in the ring with Marquez and getting a CLEAR win, he also stands the chance of getting defeated or stopped again… Taking risk is what seperates GREAT fighters from matchmakers and guys in the WWF….I love this rivalry, it has forced BOTH guys to dig deep, adjust and fight hard for every single exchange… I look forward to the 5th encounter…

Posted January 23, 2013 10:46 am 


Marquez was hardly getting hammered prior to the KO. Give me a break.

Posted January 23, 2013 9:34 am 

Oswald Cobblepott

50 Cent said that his ex homie Floyd is scared of Manny! That is fact not opinion it is recorded for all. Enough said!!!

Posted January 23, 2013 8:22 am 


WASHED-UP ? If you lived 20 life times you couldn’t earn what Manny would in a 36 minute fight with Mayweather ………think before you write !

Posted January 23, 2013 8:13 am 

Rob Ber

Suportahan taka Hecdog!!!

Posted January 23, 2013 7:43 am 

Rob Ber

Author, please released your ill feelings towards PACMAN. As what you’ve said he lost with that punch coming from a person who is under the influenced of PED’S. You should be glad for that at least. MARPEDS, actually idolized Lance Armstrong for admitting that he was on PEDS. My advice to MARPEDS, admit it now and we will support till the end…YOU CAN DO IT MAN.

Posted January 23, 2013 7:41 am 


Immediate rematch v Marquez at 126lbs……He was offered the rematch but declined…Took on Chris John instead and got UD….Impressed….Nope..Bet you are though…

Posted January 23, 2013 7:30 am 


manny better pray to his plastic jesus to protect him from brain damage if he ever fights again

Posted January 23, 2013 7:01 am 


hecdog you need the mental help buddy ….

Posted January 23, 2013 4:32 am 


Great singer, actor, Bible Study Teacher, philanthropist and congressman……WA hawahawahawahawahawa BAAAAAA wahawahahahahawa …………………….

Posted January 23, 2013 4:31 am 


Marquez was outlanded 1 to 2 in the 4th fight. Pac should just continue to outland him all night long and not risk going for the KO. Chicken Floyd did that and won the UD. I pick Pac to win a clear UD if there is ever a 5th fight. Even if Marquez is working with the PED-master Heredia again and filled up with steroids.

I hope Pac retires. He’s got nothing left to prove in boxing.

Posted January 23, 2013 4:27 am 


MY advice for Manny is to retire. Ditch Roach and Train behind the scenes with a BETTER Defensive Boxing Coach. The Roach train has run its course. It was FUN while it lasted but Roach’s cherry picking came back to haunt you llke I predicted. Roach strategically wanted you in Fights with guys no BETTER than Cotto after you took MUCH damage in that Fight. SO he put you in with 3 #0 P4P Fighters in a row who were INEPT and presented no challenge. Because of that your Boxing SKILLS didn’t advance because you never had to use them. Your Offense being your BEST Defense SOUNDS good that doesn’t work at the ELITE level. If you don’t have a GREAT Defense at the ELITE level then you’re going to get hit with FIREPOWER. Mosley, Clottey, and Margarito don’t give you much chance to work on your Defense because they’re lopsidedly Out GUNNED.

Posted January 23, 2013 3:22 am 


We’ll just have to c if Pac has a glass jaw in his next fight.

Posted January 23, 2013 2:42 am 


What i dont understand is y isnt the whole boxing world undergoing this training for “ko” power. And if theres sum “secret” training then it should be worth a rediculous amount of money.

Posted January 23, 2013 2:40 am 

Martin “EL BRUCHA” Honorio

Im a pacfan, but i swear hecdog is overdoing it! This is borderline obssession!

Posted January 23, 2013 2:29 am 


One thing id like to clear up is this notion that Pac lacks “skill”. Skill is physical its how perfect u perform movements in space/time. Pacs “skill” level is the foundation of his sucsess. U may b able to question his FUNDAMENTALS but not his skill level. P.S nor can u question his I.Q it is defined by how u apply the “tricks of the trade” and u dont get to where Pac is by being a 1 trick poney.

Posted January 23, 2013 2:28 am 


romeo de guzman-FALSE. I PRECISELY said BEFORE the Fight that the reason Marquez was working on Power was because he already knew he could hit Pacquiao on the button but he couldn’t him down. I also said that IF Pacquiao went for the knockout HE would be the one getting knocked out. You have to Fight Marquez from outside to survive now that he has the Power to end the Fight on one mistake. Floyd wrote the blueprint on that. The problem IS that you have to Floyd’s SKILLS and Boxing IQ in order to execute it. Pacquiao tried that in the 3rd Fight but got out Boxed. At least he saw the final bell SO he could pray to God before the decision. IF you try to knock Marquez out again you won’t have a PRAYER.

Posted January 23, 2013 2:16 am 


24/7 monitoring that is funny. Since when has Arum let any of his fighters especially Pac get 24 hour monitoring. And you said it yourself, Marquez had connected a lot of shots on Pac along with many other fighters. There are so many shots someone can take before they finally dent. And after as many fights as Pac had it was just a matter of time before a shot put him down and then put him out

Posted January 23, 2013 1:01 am 


He must have been in decline vs. Morales the first time TOO.

Posted January 23, 2013 12:57 am 


hecdog-LOL. I APPLAUD your devotion to Pacquiao but the FACT is that Pacquiao has been out Boxed and knocked out by the BETTER man. PEDS is no factor in SKILL level or Boxing IQ. Pacquiao got timed like a ROLEX and if he Fights Marquez again he’ll get knocked out AGAIN. There is no decline in Pacquiao. Marquez simply added Power and took it out of the 3 blind mice’s hands….IF Pacquiao goes back to facing #0 P4P Fighters he will LOOK Supreme once again but IF he continues facing Top 10 P4P then expect to see more stories about Pacquiao’s decline.

Posted January 23, 2013 12:42 am 



Posted January 23, 2013 12:41 am 


I think you can only be as great and exciting as pacquai was for a limited time . when he was on that role of jumping weight division and destroying top fighters in such a destructive manor he was actually frighten to all . no matter how he was doing it .I think he has slipped plenty and can now be beaten by some and the old invinible pac is gone but I wouldnt say he finished because of a bad decision to bradley and marquez who always gave pacquia trouble new found power . its just we have come to expect so much from the guy and its been proven he now can be beat

Posted January 23, 2013 12:40 am 



Posted January 23, 2013 12:37 am 

Edgar Guevara

Writers are good to make you or break you. Pacquiao is not the first or the last trying to comeback. Can he do it? It depends on him. This is only his first lost in a long time by knockout. Duran, Hearns made back. Why not Pacquiao?

Posted January 23, 2013 12:01 am 


Once marquez lands that big punch in fight five it will be a remake of tarver vs jones obliterated knockout. Crackquiao will be running to avoid that massive right hand from marquez. In the 3rd or fourth round of fight four marquez landded that right hand again and turned crackquaio sideways even with crackquaio massive legs and calfs.

Posted January 22, 2013 11:52 pm 

Tomato Can

lol@ hecdog. Crazy

Posted January 22, 2013 11:49 pm 


Surely those fools did not actually tea the article. Anyway, it was a solid article, although I don’t agree that PAC ‘schooled’ Mosley, that fight was poor.

Posted January 22, 2013 10:46 pm 

Tomato Can

Pacquiao has had a great career. I wouldn’t say he’s washed up, but his chin has a target on it now, like never before. That along with the fact he’s on the downslide may contribute to future problems in the ring. Time will tell. By the way, Arum will make out like a bandit no matter what happens with Pacquiao.

Posted January 22, 2013 9:38 pm 


Pacquiao was overrated all along

Posted January 22, 2013 9:36 pm 

Anthony Jeffrey

Guys, apologies for some of the confusion – the headline should have been a question: ‘Washed up after one punch?’

My mistake, but thank you all for the feedback!

Posted January 22, 2013 8:52 pm 


Pak washed up. Its hard to beleive the person who wrote this artcle. Have they ever boxed? he may not be the fighter he was, but washed up. Think of all the other great fighters who lost or were stopped-george Foreman, Ali, Alex A., bernard H., kessler etc. Wash up!!!!

Posted January 22, 2013 8:28 pm 

te tumbo

“. . . ask yourself why Marquez would hire a former Discus thrower, who might be . . .” who cares? Marquez and Pacquiao* have never tested dirty and passed the same tests administered by the commission, which as Team Pacquiao* has always inSisted, are good enough for them. why should the commission rewrite the rules just to accommodate the butt-hurting fanboys of Pacquiao*? after all, it’s Pacquiao* whose always rejected challenges to submit to random testing. “Any test. Any time. I have nothing to hide” i believe were Marquez’s exact words and Pacquiao* declined. it seems that Pacquiao’s* fanboys are angry that Pacquiao* declined and was KTFO rather than declining to test to avoid a certain loss v. Mayweather (lol). “ ask yourself”, why are Pacquiao* shills and fanboys now so determined to improve testing for PEDs in Boxing and not before?

Posted January 22, 2013 8:07 pm 


jamesyg_31, google Angel Heredia and ask yourself why Marquez would hire a former Discus thrower, who might be the best expert in the world on how to use PEDs to dramatically enhance the performance of elite athletes. This is the guy that enabled Marion Jones to train ten hours a day for long periods of time without getting injured. In 2008 he gave interviews where he admitted to and explained to Der Spiegel exactly how he administered PEDs to his clients. He’s the lead witness in the BALCO scandal. His expertise is first and foremost PEDs and secondly strength and conditioning. Many of his clients he only handled the PED intake and blood tests and had nothing to do with the actual training according to himself.
As I said, google the dude and read and watch the videos by yourself. It’s all there.

Posted January 22, 2013 7:45 pm 


Marquez was a student of boxing now he is a master of boxing a top HOFR. Doctor heredia has 3 degrees one is in knesiology and it show in marquez speed and power. Where Crackquiao has great foot work and speed plus roids u have a 8 weight class divisions. You will see the differnce in crackquiao if he is blood tested 24/7.

Posted January 22, 2013 7:13 pm 


This is a good article and some good points made on the posts also, i wouldn’t call Pacqauio washed up yet & it wont be until we see how he comes back that we will know how much the marquez ko has effected him, i would say that he hasn’t many fights left at the top level based on pac’s all out aggressive style, fighters with this style dnt tend to age well and once they lose half a step they aren’t the same force.
I disagree with the allegations of ped use against marquez tho, i say innocent until proven guilty & i attribute marquez’s more muscular build for the last pac fight to the fact that he has fully grown into the higher weight class after 3 yrs since his first WW fight, & the knockout shot was nothing more than great timing + a defensive lapse from Pac!

Posted January 22, 2013 6:58 pm 


Crackquaio been taking roids since the david diaz fight. A man that throws a lthousand punches in eight rounds. Pacman at 143 pounds knocking a 160 margarito around like a feather weight. That’s HGH AND EPO. Crackquaio never wanted to be blood tested from day one. Crackquaio and uncle lancy are one in the same. Cheaters and uncle bobby sets it up.

Posted January 22, 2013 6:56 pm 


Anonymous, I’m with you man. Floyd is a simple person. Beating on women and security guards, staying in his cell all day in jail because he’s afraid of the other inmates. He’s a spoiled kid. LOL

Posted January 22, 2013 6:31 pm 


forreal, you’re as dumb as they come. A typical fan-boy/hater. Learn to appreciate the sport instead and stop hating and life will be better. I promise.

Posted January 22, 2013 6:23 pm 


The funny thing about all this is Floyd Mayweather & his team of duckers were the 1st to really start all this PED use. I’m serious when I say this-Floyd has helped mess this sport up-all he’s done was fight oler guys or smaller guys at the right time. He just so happens to move down to 147 to fight someone-when Trout is coming off a big win-all you here with this guy is money-money-money and I really can’t wait for him to lose and then retire-he disgust me. He help mess up the biggest fight of all time and then he gives the fans fights they wanted for years so many years later when the other guy isn’t that good anymore. I say this right here-Pacman ran through some really good tough fighters-he still is and was the man. I was going for JMM but Pac was tearing his ass up like the writer said till the 3rd and last second of the 6th rd.

Posted January 22, 2013 6:03 pm 


…Haimat,don’t be surprised if PEDman has that “talk” with Oprah somewhere down the future;how long it took for Armstrong to come out of the PED closet?,and if there’s any surprised that NOBODY got selected this year for Cooperstown(MLB Hall of fame)?,names like Bonds,Sosa,Mcgwyre were ignored and rightly so.Call me a hater or whatever you want,but i’ll stand by my suspiscions ’till the end.

Posted January 22, 2013 5:27 pm 


Burnt Toast good bye Pacquiao

Posted January 22, 2013 5:05 pm 


Great article! I’m a huge Pac fan and I would like to see him retire. Being a full time politician takes time from the toughest sport in the world.
These guys talking about PEDs and Manny clearly have no clue about what they’re talking about. There is nothing suggesting that Manny has taken illegal PEDs. No suspect trainers, no positive tests, no associates involved in PEDs, no signs on his body suggesting PEDs.
Studying Liar Lance, Marquez, Bolt, Marion Jones, Victor Conte and Angel Heredia gives a very clear picture of what to look for when looking for PED cheaters. Juan Manuel Marquez is as guilty as they come when you look at all these things. His age, his brute strength, Angel Heredia, just looking at the dude are all indications that the dude is a cheater on PEDs. I cannot be 100% but I’m 99% sure that Marquez bought the whole package from old Discus thrower and PED cheater Angel Heredia, with daily blood tests, testosterone shots, different steroids and other supplements. Only fools get caught in the Olympic Style Tests which are very easy to avoid.
Posters like forreal and other haters calling Manny PEDman and such are only expressing their own ignorance and nothing else.
Look for Manny to move on to other things than boxing in the near future, hopefully in the immediate future. He has absolutely nothing more to prove in the sport. It’s time for Ward, Mikey Garcia, Broner and the other young guns to be the new Pacs and Mayweathers of tomorrow.

Posted January 22, 2013 5:03 pm 


The Mayweather fight can still be made, it still sells, just more excuses for certain people to use now.

Posted January 22, 2013 4:50 pm 


People were saying he was on the decline before the Marquezz loss…utter crap. This is just a door opening for nothing more than gossip, he walked on to a bomb, some of the greatest boxers ever have done this, some were effected when they got back in some were not. I personally think that the 6 rounds against Marquez were the best we have seen from the Pacman in a long time, it is easy for me to say this but i am utterly conviinced that Marquez was going to be stopped in the next 2 to 3 rounds, he was getting beaten up. Great credit to Marquez for the shot, but Pacman gave it to him. This kid is not done yet and i cannot wait!!!

Posted January 22, 2013 4:49 pm 


…too late,they missed the bus already,and besides there’s no appetite for PEDman/Mayweather;and even if they tried,Mayweather won’t relent on his random testing clause,specially now after Armstrong’s revelation/confession.

Posted January 22, 2013 4:32 pm 


Lennox Lewis got knocked out twice… But the refrigerator door wasn’t closed… The lights weren’t out… The butter wasn’t getting hard… and the Jello wasn’t jiggling… All of that happened when Pacquiao was KO’d… Lewis was hauling his ass off the floor by the time the 10-count was completed, while Pacquiao was out for several minutes—and there’s big difference in how that effects your chin … Pacquiao can still possibly beat Marquez in their 5th match later this year—but he has to avoid hard punches and go for a decision.

If Pacquiao scores a knockdown he MUST continue to box.. If Pacquiao gets knocked down Marquez will have fire coming out of his ears… Don’t ignite JMM’s killer instinct and stay off the floor … You might even win.

Posted January 22, 2013 4:24 pm 


This is a lesson to Arum, MAnny and MAyweather! You should have made the fight! Dumb and bad move!

Posted January 22, 2013 4:16 pm 


Look,there’s a lot of variables involved here to determine whether a fighter is “washed up” or not: ring millage(time as a boxer),ammount of punishement absorbed,head blows taken,how many K.O loses in your record,quality of your opponents,age,physical condition(health),any history of illegal substances taken and on and on…is PEDman washed up?,nobody knows with 100% certainty but if the last few fights are any indication,then we must assume that the signs are NOT for the better!!

Posted January 22, 2013 3:03 pm 


Pac is far from washed up have to agree with author here. Getting kod happens to the best of them It’s just a part of the sport. Ppl are way to hard on the fighters learn to appreciate them while they are still here. If u are a true fan of this sport u respect greatness…even if you don’t always like the style or the fighter. Way too much blind hatred these days around here.

Posted January 22, 2013 2:36 pm 


To have a klitschko on a p4p list is ridic period.

Posted January 22, 2013 2:29 pm 


How in the hell is Alvarez Pacquiaos size?? Canelo is a FULL out Jr MW fighter Pacquiao used to fight at 112 pounds?? Margarito was HUGE WW fighter he was 5 inches taller and 17 pounds heavier the night Pacquiao beat him like rabid dog?? Did Margo need to be 7 inches taller and 25 pounds heavier to be more effective?? Pac Man is more WW by heart than he his by size that is why JMM can matchup with him both are historically smaller men.

Posted January 22, 2013 2:29 pm 


What boxer that captured titles in a solid 7 divisions and won 4 lineal Championships was NOT highly rated? Leonard, Hearns, Mayweather, ODH and Roy Jones all are mutli-division Champions who were HIGHLY rated… You cannot traverse that many weight classes and NOT encounter some seriously talented Champions and hard fighters… Where is the acknowledgement that moving up the scales is HARD and that is the reason that there are only a FEW boxers in the history of the sport to compete in 3 divisions let alone a SOLID 7?? Pac Man spotted Margo and ODH some nice physical dimensions in size and reach, what other former flyweight beat them down? Name the guy? he does not exist… Alot of these guys got labeled after Pacquiao bashed their heads in…Larry Merchant described him stopping Oscar like that as “a result that was so unexpected it was borderline hard to fathom” paraphrasing

Posted January 22, 2013 2:26 pm 

Pacquiao Fans Butt Hurt

Manny hasn’t declined. He’s the same overrated fighter he’s always been. The PEDs aren’t as potent anymore. He’s been using them too long. Time for Ariza to come up with a new protein shake formula. Maybe Manny should hire Angel.

Posted January 22, 2013 2:15 pm 


Manny to me was very over rated every since he moved up in weight to challenge DLH who by the way had to make 147lbs which he hasnt in twenty years. Everyone Manny fought since moving up was either old past there prime or he made them come down in weight like they did Cotto. He hasnt fought a great boxer in a long time. Someone his size and same age frame Hatton, Shane, DLH and Margecheato are not exactly elite caliber fighters, and where hand picked, Alverez Mayweather or even a Garcia would have handed Manny his ass long before Marquez did. its like you see a guy doing all kinds of tricks dunking a basketball and you think he is great until you realize the rim is lowered.

Posted January 22, 2013 2:07 pm 


Its funny because you just decide that Pacquiao needed to clean out 140 pounds?? why is that when he has done work at 147? you mention Victor Ortiz at 140 pounds MEANWHILE Ortiz was something like the #4 man at that weight after quitting against Maidana and ending up tied with Peterson after frontrunning so what was the cache to be gained besting Ortiz at that weight??? No matter our thoughts of Hatton he was the lineal Champ at 140 and he NEVER faced most of those guys at 140 ie Ortiz, Campbell, Maidana or Casamayor….. Why is 140 the division where Pac Man had to stake his claim? Marquez only fought an older version of Casamayor at 140 pounds so whats up with the double standards?? Again I am just amusing myself poking holes in your “Pacquiao is either perfect or trash” argument but the train of though you employ is so one track it leaves you exposed to cyber abuse and being peppered with the facts

Posted January 22, 2013 2:07 pm 

boxing barlow

Pa man washed up? I wonder what the oddss would be in a Marquez rematch? I’ll tell u the bookies will have pacman favorite to win, what would be the odds against Bradley? Pacman would be odds on and he would against every fighter a part from may weather. Is that a washed up fighter?

Posted January 22, 2013 2:06 pm 


Very good article and well stated. The perspective by the author is spot on and highlighted some very key points that allows the readers to wrap their heads around the sometimes very complex sport of boxing and what it really means to be “washed up”.

Posted January 22, 2013 2:04 pm 


Floyd definitely shut Mosley out and had Richardson discussing stopping the fight… Shane Mosley is an unusually TOUGH guy to knockout or even seriously hurt but that does not negate the fact he got a DRUBBING from Floyd Mayweather Jr when he was still considered a relevant fighter….

Posted January 22, 2013 1:59 pm 


PAc lost to Floys first. What are you talking about?

Posted January 22, 2013 1:54 pm 


“you’re only as good as your last fight” has always been part of boxing culture. It only takes one spectacular win to erase a spectacular loss. Boxing fans are and will always be fickle. It’s just part of the sport. If Pac were to KO Marquez in the same fashion he was KO’d in their 5th fight his stock would go back up. If Mosley blasted Paulie Malinaggi in a round or two his stock might rise enough to have a glorious send off into retirement rather than an unceremonious one which appears will be the case; despite a spectacular career. Kelly Pavlik would become an instant sensation again if he had fought Ward and (somehow) managed a KO. (it would never happen but you get the point). Boxers always have the ability to silence the critics with just one more. Perhaps this notion feeds into why so many come back for one more.

Posted January 22, 2013 1:49 pm 


“ODH set himself up and got embarassed for trying to troll the 135 pound class for a Big Name fighter he could beat up…” Well said, SRedmond, and dead true. BTW, Jeffrey, Floyd Mayweather Jr. NEVER gave Shane Mosley a “beating.” At the end of that fight there was hardly a mark on Mosley anywhere. Just a few red marks and maybe one small welt on his face. Those aren’t the battle scars of a “beating.” Just a Decision loss–just the way the fight was scored.

Posted January 22, 2013 1:42 pm 


Te Tumbo, says that “Pacquiao is finally starting to face top competition” meanwhile your mind is MUSH because he fought Marquez 4x starting in 2004 so whats the deal with that… If you say “he just began facing top comp” then you basically say that Barrera and Morales were both scrubs because he fought them YEARS ago….????? I know you will pollute the message board with excuses about how Morales at 30 was not a good opponent anymore YET a 39 year old Marquez was fighting at the preferred age? Miguel Cotto is a future HOFER, who Pacquiao handed his second loss at the age of 29 years old in brutal fashion but of course the 2 pounds will be your point of argument… Had Cotto been 2 pounds heavier or one pound more than the prior weigh-in against Clottey he would have been superman in the ring, and been able to NOT get knocked down twice early and beaten to a pulp…. Let the excuses begin….

Posted January 22, 2013 1:40 pm 


“immediate rematch v. Marquez at 126lbs; Morales at 130lbs and 135lbs; J. Diaz, Casamayor, and/or Campbell at 135lbs; Hatton, Khan, Ortiz, Maidana, Bradley, and/or Judah at 140lbs; Cotto, Shane, and/or Mayweather at 147lbs and NO catchweights. never mind DLH or Margarito.” Te tumbo your hatred for Manny Pacquiao is monumental. You’re supposed to make wish-lists before your birthday or before Chrismas. Whiner lists are never acceptable. You are the biggest whiner I have ever encountered.

Posted January 22, 2013 1:38 pm 

syed Azam

I agree on a few points made in this article. I believe that since the mosley fight he hasn’t looked great at all, although he still beat Bradley! But i also agree that he looked alot better in the 4th Marquez fight even if he wasn’t at his peak best. But when people rant and mention how Pac was winning the fight before the knockout (which I agree) I think we should keep in mind that he was ahead by only 1 point, so the fight although fought more aggressive was still pretty close following suit to the previous fights.

In terms of Pac being done, no i don’t agree but just like with Mayweather age is catching up with this great fighters and they should be fighting their last fights in 2014.

Posted January 22, 2013 1:32 pm 


Its refreshing to see an article not bashing pacquiao…..I think saying he looked fantastic isnt exactly accurate…..He was doing good the first 2 rounds,.was taking his time, using head feints and landing his left…..then comes the third round when marquez.dropped him i mean pac hasnt gotten knocked down since god knows how long, but recovers rather well considering how hard..then comes the 4th hes regaining a little bit of his strength….5th round, he flash knockdowns marquez, then gets caught with a pretty big right but he was ok, then lands a wonderful straight and short hook, but then couldnt even finish him cause he was so tired, i mean the pacquiao of 2 yrs ago gets the TKO.the 6th he got in some good shots but he did get caught with a few, then for some retarted reason after landing a good left hand stutter steps like a basketball player and got caught….idk if he looked great but he looked beter then bradley fight…..

Posted January 22, 2013 1:30 pm 


As for Catchweight fights some of the greats in boxing have fought at “catchweights” I am not a huge fan but they are a reality…Pac came down to even things up the first time with Marquez, beyond that he fought Mayweather and Cotto at catchweights, Leonard, Mayweather and Hopkins ALL have catchweight bouts on the books.. Hops fought at a catchweight twice… Sergio Martinez has also had a catchweight fight….Again you want Pacquiao to have the MOST idyllic setups in boxing when there are very few perfect setups ie ODH vs Trinidad or Leonard vs Hearns…. For all the chit chat Pac Man had been stopped twice when the fought Marquez, Morales, and Barrera…If you have to be at the absolute apex of your career to win then you were NEVER that good anyway… Mayweather has won with injuries and challenging personal circumstances, why the excuses for all these other fighters??

Posted January 22, 2013 1:29 pm 


Te Tumbo, you mention Ricky Hatton in case you missed it and that is plausible because it happened so damn fast he knocked Hatton into retirement in 2 rounds… Did you miss that fight or do you have an excuse? Hatton was lineal Champ and undefeated at 140, lotta good that did him he was crushed like a rank amateur by Pac Man

Posted January 22, 2013 1:04 pm 

Mike Dino

Good article.

Posted January 22, 2013 1:03 pm 


Pacquiaos beatings of Morales at 130 were solid and for every fighter you named that he beat, they fought guys that were possibly NOT at their best… Consensus was that Pacquiao was a ONE handed fighter when he faced Erik Morales, and he STILL blasted him out 2x after the first loss, he was certainly seen as a one handed fighter when he faced Barrera the first time and destroyed him…. Both Morales and Barrera faced a less refined version of Pacquiao and got stopped…What does that say about them relative to Pacquiao as it pertains to talent?? ODH set himself up and got embarassed for trying to troll the 135 pound class for a Big Name fighter he could beat up…. ODH was the biggest name in boxing and pretending that Pacquiao who earned 10’s of millions less bent him over is one of the WORST lies imaginable…. Pac shocked everyone when he stomped out ODH…

Posted January 22, 2013 1:02 pm 

te tumbo

“tell how he could have impressed you and risen in your estimations…..” immediate rematch v. Marquez at 126lbs; Morales at 130lbs and 135lbs; J. Diaz, Casamayor, and/or Campbell at 135lbs; Hatton, Khan, Ortiz, Maidana, Bradley, and/or Judah at 140lbs; Cotto, Shane, and/or Mayweather at 147lbs and NO catchweights. never mind DLH or Margarito. those were set-ups not credible matchups, i.e., smoke and mirrors that is the foundation of Pacquiao’s* presumed “greatness”. Btw, Pacquiao* hasn’t deteriorated. he’s simply beginning to face the top competition that he should’ve been facing all along with predictable results.

Posted January 22, 2013 12:49 pm 

E in Denver

This is the modern state of boxing. Where an “offical” undefeated record is the most marketable asset you can have. Thus we have mismatches passed off as headliners & clearly corruption decision. Pac suffered a brutal KO but given sufficient time to recover the guy can comeback. Pac has lost a step but his physical gifts are more than enough to beat 99% of the guys in or around his division. Mosley isn’t a very good parallel. Mosley was 38 not 34 & with the exception of Margarito(who clearly didn’t have his head right or his gloves loaded) Shane had not looked great for a couple years.

Posted January 22, 2013 12:48 pm 


So Joe in your infinite wisdom, how was he overrated,what were these smoke and mirrors that has confused you but has not confused others…..tell how he could have impressed you and risen in your estimations…..It would be interesting Joe to find out his many mistakes and who you compare him to……

Posted January 22, 2013 12:20 pm 


Pac is one of the most overrated boxers ever. His career is built off of smoke and mirrors.

Posted January 22, 2013 11:56 am 


Pacquiao, IS finished as a fighter!! Marquez will KO him again in the 5th fight, jsut easier!

Posted January 22, 2013 11:10 am 


btw good article. boxing fans are the most fickle of all sports.

Posted January 22, 2013 11:04 am 


the headline was ironic. you’re the stupid one

Posted January 22, 2013 11:01 am 


To have him rated above Wladimar Klitschko on the pound for pound list is a disgrace to all.

Posted January 22, 2013 10:50 am 


Stupid headline – i read no further.

Posted January 22, 2013 10:49 am 


I have to agree Pacquiao deserves the benefit of the doubt, its weak to assume he is finished because he walked into a KILLER shot from Marquez…Some boxers never recover, some go on to continue having terrific performances and adding to their legacy… Pacquiao has impressed me with his response to this loss, against advice of his wife and family he immediately declared that he wanted to continue his career none of this “I need to think or retire” he seemingly took the loss in stride and accepted that he made a costly error… I recall Pac Man after losing to Morales going on an epic streak which included two brutal pummelings of “Terrible” I would not be surprised to see a more focused version of Pac Man over the next couple of bouts… Time will tell

Posted January 22, 2013 10:46 am 

shaun spensley

if he is. he had one of the best winning streaks in boxing history. so who cares.

Posted January 22, 2013 10:32 am 

Tark Stain

Blah blah blah

Posted January 22, 2013 10:13 am 

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