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For all the cry babies that suck of manny in their dreams as said by my dear friend optimus ” one shall stand and one will fall ” pacman will never have the heart of Marquez

Posted January 2, 2013 5:12 am 

Roger Byrne

PAC MAN needs to box more and brawl less. As a fighter gets older, he slows down physically and therefore must become more selective with his punches. Evander Holyfield showed the benefit of this philosophy to become a 4 time World Champion. PAC needs to fight in spurts and be a little bit more ring savvy. As an 8 time World Champion I am sure he can make this adjustment, otherwise he will get hurt again. Sometimes, in Boxing as in life, less means more!

Posted December 26, 2012 8:40 am 

Old Coot

Wow… If you look at the stats for this fight, right up until the end, and particularly in 4th through the 6th and final round, Pacquiao was clearly winning by the biggest margin of any of their previous fights, nearly doubling Marquez’ connect rate, in ALL categories!… He was clearly on his way to an undisputed UD or a TKO of his own this time…

So it’s just VERY funny to me how let a few well known and longtime Team Pacman haters on ESB and a few other boxing threads tell it, suddenly because Marquez landed one lucky blind overhand right (totally unlike when Pacquiao clearly looked in and timed Hatton), but Marquez lands ONE golden, lucky KO shot, and suddenly Roach and Pacquiao are bums? GIMME A BREAK! This was one of Pacquiaos best performances in years! And that despite calf cramps in the early rounds.

And FYI, If you look at the slo-mo replay of that KO, you will see Marquez’ jaw drop wide. He was as surprised as anyone that it landed.

The only thing I would say it that it is long past time that Freddie swallowed his pride and brung in a good defense oriented coach to help Manny use his amazing footwork, agility and speed to vastly improve is defense to compliment his great offense. Then he will be the complete fighter he could have been 2 or 3 years ago.

Posted December 17, 2012 1:17 am 


“Thats called perseverance and stratergy and a job well done by all ” You’re right Happyboy and I basically said that in several other posts that I made on other threads. Additionally, Juan stayed focused. He had a plan and he executed it perfectly. He was counting on Manny to leave himself open, he knew he was more effective at counterpunching than Manny was. He put on the muscle–which by the way helped to increase his speed–so he would have the power to finish Pacquiao when the moment arose. By golly the moment arose and Marquez capitalized on it. One of the most devastating KOs I have ever seen!

Posted December 15, 2012 10:09 pm 



Posted December 15, 2012 9:17 pm 

stupid loser

Time for Pacquiao to retire and call it a career. He has been fading and after the major KO loss, I don’t think he will ever fully recover. He never had a chance at beating Mayweather and now looks completely vulnerable to most of the divisions best.
He was great to watch in his prime but those days are long over.

Posted December 15, 2012 3:07 am 


Let me say my piece. This is FOUL how they are trying to place BLAME WITH FREDDIE ROACH HERE. Nobody was talking that BS when Manny was taking all those belts at CATCHWEIGHTS while Roach was training him all along. Now he had to get picked up OFF OF HIS FACE and now everybody is looking for an ALIBI. GTFOH. His career is damn near done. If I was Roach; I wouldn’t even sweat that BS. F him and Bob Arum. Because if he wants to blame someone; the first person he needs to look at is ARUM. THAT’S WHO HE TAKES HIS ORDERS FROM!!!!!

Posted December 15, 2012 3:02 am 

Supreme Court

Hidalgo: Can you read son?
The statement was: “Pacquiao never faced a FELLOW” beltholder.
Whenever he scammed the world of boxing by grabbing a belt from the weakest link in all 8 divisions, then he would avoid any beltholder in that division; hence the term “fellow”-beltholder…

Posted December 15, 2012 2:05 am 

te tumbo

“. . . both Juan Manuel Marquez and Manny Pacquiao passed their post-fight drug scans administered by the Nevada Athletic Commission after their fight Saturday at the MGM Grand Garden in Las Vegas . . . according to executive director Keith Kizer, Marquez and Pacquiao were tested for performance enhancing drugs, masking agents and drugs of abuse, and results came back negative” (lol). if Arum is smart, he’ll PPV Freddie kissing Marquez’s natural and commission-approved ass (lol). package it as an “overtime” segment following tomorrow’s replay of Manny’s Mexicution by Marquez. Pucker-Up Freddie. we’re ready for your close-up.

Posted December 15, 2012 1:32 am 


BTW Supreme Court, Marquez lost his WBC Super Featherweight title to Pacquiao in their second fight. Kind of kills your “never faced a fellow beltholder” theory doesn’t it?

Posted December 14, 2012 11:51 pm 


‘Scuse me, that was the WBC International SUPER featherweight title that Pacquiao won from Morales.

Posted December 14, 2012 11:45 pm 


SC, Pacquiao took the WBC International Featherweight title from Eric Morales in their second fight.

Posted December 14, 2012 11:44 pm 


No reason for Pacquiao to dump Roach — the KO happened due to a careless mistake which JMM knew that Pac was going to make and had already clocked it and practiced it hundreds of times during his training. JMM’s gameplan was to get Pacquiao all heated up in exchanges in trying to beat him up so that he could find an opening for his money punch. Congratutlations to JMM for winning the 4th fight just like he said he would. Congratulations for Pacquiao for having the guts and the fearlessness to face JMM four times. Most champions will only grant one fight — at the most one rematch. My scores are a draw for #1, Pac for #2, draw for #3 and #4 for JMM. There may never be a 5th one, but we were lucky to witness these two warrior in four battles — and they both left it all in the ring — although both have too many haters who probably will never appreciate that to the fullest.

Posted December 14, 2012 11:42 pm 


I meant to say “Marquez held the WBO jr. welterweight title when he fought Pacquiao for the 4th time.

Posted December 14, 2012 11:42 pm 


SC, Ricky Hatton held The Ring light welterweight title when he and Pacquiao fought each other as light welterweights.

Posted December 14, 2012 11:40 pm 


SC, Marquez the WBO jr. welterweight title. That made him a “fellow beltholder” when he fought Pacquiao for the 4th time.

Posted December 14, 2012 11:38 pm 


BTW Supreme Court, Pacquiao took Cotto’s WBO welterweight title when they fought. Remember that?

Posted December 14, 2012 11:34 pm 


“Yet, through 8 divisions, he never faced a fellow belt holder!!!!!!!!!” Ever hear of a vacant title?

Posted December 14, 2012 11:22 pm 


“Illusion” Wow, Prince. Your posts are totally contradictory to your nick. Why don’t you just be honest and change it to “The Hater?”

Posted December 14, 2012 11:20 pm 


“Pacquiao* is the same, single-fisted, one-dimensional puncher he’s always been, i.e., Predictable” Not completely, te tumbo. Pacquiao’s bobbing and weaving threw Marquez off balance and negated his counterpunching fairly well through six rounds. Each man scored a knockdown before the KO. And prior to the KO Manny was working Juan hard. He was beating on him. Manny tried too hard though, got careless, then got nailed. But you are wrong in saying Pac was the “same, single-fisted, one-dimensional puncher he’s always been. He showed some new moves, that he could change, but like I’ve said several times in other threads, he didn’t stay focused and went back to his old self. Then he got KO’d. But if they fight again, Pacquiao WILL stay focused. Will it make a difference? Depends on how much the KO affected him mentally. Pacquiao is a fighter and a warrior. I say he’ll go for a rematch.

Posted December 14, 2012 11:18 pm 


“Pacquaio lost because he got careless and walked right into a perfect counter right that would have KO’d just about any fighter. This loss has nothing to do with Freddie Roach and everything to do with getting caught with a great punch.” This is correct. The main ingredient that Pacquaio lacked and Marquez did not, was discipline. In other words, focus. Marquez had a plan, he executed his plan to perfection. He knew he could time Pacquiao and he knew Pacquiao would leave himself open when he got aggressive. It was a masterful performance by Marquez. Period. Even though he was getting his ass kicked before the KO punch.

Posted December 14, 2012 11:13 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Wow Princess, you are sharp as a ball…

Posted December 14, 2012 10:27 pm 

The Prince

And Pacquiao’s success is a prime example of the matching up game Toprank plays so well. Glad the ILLUSION of Pacquiao is finally being exposed.

Posted December 14, 2012 10:17 pm 

The Prince

typo = most

Posted December 14, 2012 10:13 pm 

The Prince

Freddie Roach is the must overrated coach in boxing history. His fighters only do well then they’re matched up against ready made wins. Something he has nothing to do with. Now people see the truth.

Posted December 14, 2012 10:12 pm 

Supreme Court


Pacquiao is for boxing, what Madoff is for Wall street:
They claimed he won titles in 8 divisions!
Yet, through 8 divisions, he never faced a fellow belt holder!!!!!!!!!
His last division title was equivalent to a Ponzi Scheme:
He was granted a title at 154, without fighting any 154 fighter, and with zero previous fight in that division!!!!!
But off course, dellusional uneducuted Pactards claim his greatness….
He WAS the only p4p king who never faced a fellow beltholder at any of the weight class he went through!
He was a p4p king who was not the best in his own weight division!!!!!!
That alone should have been the reason for a public outrage!

“Who lives by the sword, dies by the sword”
Pacquiao has been DESTROYED!!!!!
Arum and Freddie are claiming he’ll be back within 6 months, that’s a gimmick!!!!
Pacquiao has been destroyed both in the ring and politically!!!!
Who would vote for a president whose faced has been planted in a canvas in US?

Posted December 14, 2012 10:10 pm 

Supreme Court

How Pacquiao defrauded the boxing world:
These are facts, only facts…
You may yap, whinne, all you want, historians will remember the facts!

Oscar De La Hoya: Two losses out of his last four fights at the time he fought Pacquiao. De La Hoya had been recently beaten by Mayweather a year earlier and without a catch weight handicap. ODH was severely drained!

Ricky Hatton: Mayweather beat Hatton two years earlier by a 10th round TKO. Hatton didn’t look like the same fighter he once was after the Mayweather loss, and was staggered by fringe contender Juan Lazcano in his next fight after the Mayweather loss. Pacquiao defeated Hatton in 2009.

Miguel Cotto: Beaten by Antonio Margarito in an 11th round knockout loss a year before Pacquiao fought him. Cotto didn’t look like the same fighter he once was by the time Pacquiao fought him.

Joshua Clottey: Beaten by Cotto in Clottey’s fight before facing Pacquiao in 2010. Boxing fans wondered why Clottey was given a title shot against Pacquiao when Clottey had lost his last fight.

Antonio Margarito: Was beaten by Shane Mosley in a 9th round stoppage in 2009, and then sat out an entire year after losing his boxing license due to the hand-wrap scandal. Margarito fought a little known fringe contender by the name of Roberto Garcia and then was given a shot against Pacquiao.

Shane Mosley: Upon crushing Margarito, he challenged Pacquiao at even 140, team Pacquiao publicly turned down the fight. They waited until the man who was the ring magazine WW champion got dominated by Floy, and above all, until he was 39 yrs old to fight him.

They waited until Marquez was 38 to grant a third fight….Surprise! Marquez won in the ring but lost on the scorecards….
The first time in a decade the agreed to face a young undefeated fighter, Pacquiao lost!!!!!!!

At 39, they granted Marquez a 4th Fight: Pacquiao DESTROYED!!!!!!!

Now morons are whinning: “Pac was winning…” they pathetically say…
Well, so was Taylor against Froch; Taylor against Abraham; P. Williams against Martinez!

Get over it! You enjoyed for years the products of a fraud, good for you, It’s over!!!!!
Pacquiao is now a DAMAGE GOOD!!!!!!

Posted December 14, 2012 9:53 pm 

Supreme Court

On sept 05, Pac fought Velasquez while Morales fought Raheem. Pac defeated Velasquez while Raheem defeated Morales, but Pac decided to face the looser. Morales
On November 20, 2007, José Nuñez, manager of WBO Super Featherweight champion Joan Guzmán, accused Pacquiao’s handler Bob Arum of evading a match between the two boxers to protect Pacquiao.[38] Guzmán went as far as to directly call out Pacquiao at the postfight press conference of the Pacquiao–Barrera rematch in front of the crowd at the Mandalay Bay Events Center’s media room in Las Vegas.[

Posted December 14, 2012 9:43 pm 

Supreme Court

@ SRedmond:
You wrote:
“Pacquiao walked thru Morales, Barrera, Cotto and ODH like they were not there”

Why are you failing to mention that:
1- When he “walked” through Morales, Morales was no longer the top guy, and had lost to Raheem, whom Pacquiao avoided as the winner of an eliminator bout?
2- From Delahoya on, Pacquiao had won only Fights for which oponents were drained ,old, or on a loosing stretch.
3- He avoided like a plague all slick or boxer-type fighters for the so called “incredible run”. And the proof is in the pudding; the first time in a decade, he faced a young undefeated or a slick boxer, HE LOST!!!!!!!!!

For those attempting to protect the other fraud: Freddie the Joke, how about Linares, Kahn; Chavez Jr, now Pacquiao, within 12 months?

At least, according to Sredmond, Hunter and May Sr brought up a young fighter, each. How about Freddie Roach?
He made a name off celebrities fighters and was fired by all of them!
In his whole career, he has less than 1% success ratio, yet he is deemed as legendary!!!!!!
In the absence of a Great White Hope, the White dominated-media created an alternative: The Great White Coach!

Posted December 14, 2012 9:36 pm 


I think some fans are too emotionally invested to see clearly. Roach’s fighters are one-dimensional. They don’t have defence or inside game and they all seem to lack certain fundamentals. While Manny was a great fighter he’s past prime and without the versatility or boxing brain to adapt and stay at the top. A lot of his achievements are tainted because he beat weight-drained fighters at catchweights who were coming off losses (and who just happened to be working for his boss too), he refused testing for various unreasonable reasons, and some of his titles were just invented. I think this was done in part to overshadow Floyd’s achievements. But don’t get it twisted, there is an asterisk next to his name too because after he went up from lightweight he fought name fighters past prime, retired at the perfect time to avoid the best welterweights and has the audacity to put himself amongst the greatest. I’d say Leonard and Hearts would have beat some humility into him but let’s face it, he would never have fought them. Respect to both of them but I’m not drinking the Kool-Aid.

Posted December 14, 2012 8:11 pm 

The Mad Scientist

Hecdog- knock it off already, Marquez used the same s&c coach for his 3rd bout against Pac and I didn’t hear you crying as long as Pac got the decision and he didn’t sustained the kind of damage were he can still carry on with his that Dinamita gave Manny possibly a career ending KO it left a bitter taste in your mouth..Marquez was clean in the 3rd fight and he will remain clean in the 4th and 5th fight if Pac’s glass jaw and his fans wanted again..BOOM!

Posted December 14, 2012 7:24 pm 


It’s Roach’s fault that Manny walked into that shot?!?

Posted December 14, 2012 6:59 pm 


E, I guess we can go back and forth on this and I acknowledge Morales fine victory over Pacquiao… But just the way Marquez is being given EXTRA credit for his KO win after a QUADRILOGY, I have to really give Pac EXTRA credit for knocking out the Great Erik Morales twice and making him quit…. Reality is that Morales had NEVER been stopped and Pac Man turned him into a QUITTER despite my respect for Morales…There is NO doubt who dominated that trilogy….

Posted December 14, 2012 6:43 pm 


Changing trainers is often a ploy used by fighters who are not willing to accept responsibility for their shortcomings and are trying for a PR makeover… After ALL that Manny and Roach acccomplished together to suddenly pull an “Amir Khan” would really signal to me that Pacs fighting spirit may have dampened because he is scuttling the most productive relationship in his boxing career due to a HARSH beatdown….

Posted December 14, 2012 6:42 pm 


Yeah, you keep believing that!

Posted December 14, 2012 5:48 pm 


yeah Marquez was hurt so, bad that he was able to knock Pacman out!!!

Posted December 14, 2012 5:39 pm 

E in Denver

Sredmond- You don’t walk through a fighter while losing a fight. I am not arguing that Morales was more or less done after their trilogy. But if either fighter was walked through there would have been no trilogy. Morales was coming fresh off a loss to (a not so elite)Raheem to rematch & lose to Pac. Granted a faded Morales is better than 90% of fighters in their prime at that point.

Posted December 14, 2012 5:32 pm 


Mad Scientist, Roy Jones fought LONG past his prime and it remains to be seen if Pacquiao will sit around getting knocked out in succession (Tarver/Johnson) later Danny Green and Ledbev… Pac Man absorbed a BRUTAL KO and it will linger for a LONG time but where his career goes from here is up to him….. If you think guys will forget Manny tearing thru the competition you are WRONG.

Posted December 14, 2012 5:18 pm 


E, Maybe you missed the final two bouts Morales fought against Pac Man? He was beaten out of the top of the sport… He had NEVER been down prior to Manny putting it on him and in the last bout he quit while sitting on his trunks…No one ever confused the shell we saw later with the GREAT El Terrible who fought Barrera like a maniac… Kudos for his first win but Pac Man ENDED Morales, Erik did NOT end Pac Man who went on to GREATER glory.

Posted December 14, 2012 5:16 pm 

The Mad Scientist

It doesn’t matter who Pacquiao walked through during his run, it wont get him nor his fans past the horror of him laying on the mat face down temporarily dead to the think people remember Roy Jones from the 90’s not at all and Manny Pacquiao is not the exception or his fans wouldn’t be crying..

Posted December 14, 2012 5:13 pm 

E in Denver

Sredmond- You make a good point that most “fans” don’t care to acknowledge. But Pac didn’t exactly walk through Morales. Up until this past weekend Morales was Pac’s last “official” loss that he deserved.

Posted December 14, 2012 5:06 pm 


Buboy has been his trainer, and will continue to be Manny’s real trainer. I feel like Freddie, particularly these last few years, has been more of a symbol than a top trainer. Other than patience, Manny has yet to improve on some very fixable tendencies as he makes the same mistakes he used to make in 05, 08, now… Manny never really had a sincere jab, and if you watch the 2nd and third fight, Marquez does an excellent job stepping outside of Manny’s lead foot and countering the lazy jab with a right hand. As far as Roach to be the blame, I have never been a big fan of manny’s boxing skills, but he is an incredible athlete, but with so much speed and power I do not feel like he should be losing rounds to a boxer who is older, slower and weaker. That’s a testament to Marquez’s superior boxing skills.

Posted December 14, 2012 5:03 pm 


It was a great fight, fought by two great fighters…..

Posted December 14, 2012 4:29 pm 


Pacquiao walked thru Morales, Barrera, Cotto and ODH like they were not there, he got jerked BIG TIME by the Bradley decision… If Pac Man was an illusion then the aforementioned fighters need to be relagated to the status of JOKES because he crushed them all…. In the wake of his loss some of the bigger detractors feel as if they are vindicated after countless losing bets where Manny prevailed in violent fashion…His time came, and it was a GREAT win for Marquez….If you want to bash Pac Man, by extension you diminish the historical value of Marquez acocmplishment…. You cannot have it BOTH ways..

Posted December 14, 2012 4:21 pm 


what like julio cheesey roadsweeper chavez!!!!! HAHA!

Posted December 14, 2012 4:17 pm 


I don’t believe Roach should be the scapegoat for this debacle;doesn’t people realize that these guys know each other so well and that the outcome,although dramatic,wasn’t surprising in the least and that indeed Pacquiao is showing the signs of ring wear & tear?

Posted December 14, 2012 4:12 pm 


Paquiao was FAR from a promotional illusion because if he was that means that Erik Morales, Barrera and the rest were mirages… Marquez finally booking a crushing KO win does not invalidate Pacquiaos accomplishments EXCEPT to longtime haters who stand around and waiting for a Great fighter to fall then proclaim themselves to ber geniuses… Marquez NEVER put Pac Man down in 36 rounds yet he tasted the deck 4 times… Even in victory he had to sustain a broken nose and briefly touch the canvas… I am a a fan of both fighters, the same will be said if Mayweather loses “see he was never that good” ridiculous… Manny Pacquiao was so damn good that he had fools proclaiming that conceding body mass to thier opponents was an advantage when the bigger man is usually considered having the upper hand.. If you diminish Pacquiao then by extension you render Marquez victory over him pedestrian?? Nothing special?? Nonsense

Posted December 14, 2012 4:10 pm 


Had it not ben for the KO i fear that Marquez was on his way to get ko’d himself. I’m not a Pac fan but i am a boxing fan. Pac was hitting Marquez relentlessly with power lefts and he was on his way to finishing him off when he got caught coming in. Careless just like pPac said himself. Should Pac change coaches what for? Roach and Pac are a great fit Pacs KO had nothing to do with Roaches coaching it had to do with Pacs style of fighting.

Posted December 14, 2012 4:08 pm 


Leonard-Hagler decision was BS!

Posted December 14, 2012 3:59 pm 


Buboy might end up training him for the rest of his career…

Posted December 14, 2012 3:51 pm 

E in Denver

Backing off a seemingly hurt fighter isn’t the killer instinct that makes a fighter. That killer instinct is what has brought Pac this far. The man got caught trying to finish off an opponent. It happens sometimes. Marquez just had what it took to finally put Pac’s lights out. Few if any fighters could have done the same. Pac did improve from recent fights defensively, at least he used more head movement. A high guard, bob & weave style like D’Amato used to teach isn’t a huge leap from where Pac is now. But you can’t make a dynamo like Pac a defense first fighter. It just won’t work.

Posted December 14, 2012 3:48 pm 


Marquez perfectly timed a superb counter-shot and Pacquaio walked straight onto it. No controversy, no huge-shock, no ones fault outside the ring …. just a great fight between 2 great rivals ending in a knockout.

Posted December 14, 2012 3:35 pm 


TE TUMBO is the greatest poster, merry Christmas to you and your family brother PEACE from CANADA

Posted December 14, 2012 3:34 pm 


Im not hating on Pacquaio, he is a great fighter but Marquez was a fighter that has always given him serious trouble. Marquez is a great fighter as well and his counter-punching style has always been the perfect foil for Pacmans more aggressive style.

Posted December 14, 2012 3:32 pm 


te tumbo

“Pacquiao* was a promotional illusion who was a good fighter but only “great” when the matchmaking was great in his favor.”

He looked pretty great in 2003 when he beat up Barrera.

Posted December 14, 2012 3:27 pm 


oh Im on here every now and then mate.

Posted December 14, 2012 3:26 pm 


Neil where you been?

Posted December 14, 2012 3:24 pm 

te tumbo

assuming that everybody is now convinced that an anti-climactic bout v. Mayweather is out of the question, these two should consider orgainzing some 3-4 round sparring sessions for some worthwhile cause. i fear that despite all they’ve milked from the sport of Boxing, they will both escape without giving something back to the sport and society. i can hardly imagine a more selfless act that would elevate people’s impression of Boxing as a sport. if these two knuckleheads can put their ego and greed aside for the greater good, it would be a positive inspiration to knuckleheads (and their victims) everywhere.

Posted December 14, 2012 3:18 pm 


Sredmond I agree one hell of a figjter we will miss him whens his gone

Posted December 14, 2012 3:17 pm 


…. and why the obsession with Roach. He isnt in the ring with Pacquaio. It was Pacquiao’s mistake to walk onto that counter-shot ….. no one told Manny to do it, lol.

Posted December 14, 2012 3:14 pm 

te tumbo

it appears that a startling dose of stark reality still isn’t enough to jolt some posters into sobriety. Pacquiao* was a promotional illusion who was a good fighter but only “great” when the matchmaking was great in his favor. as it always was from the moment he became Arum’s designated cash-cow. in fact, only the most clueless fight-fan or Pacquiao* zealot would vouch for the pristine profile of any Arum fighter. Wake-Up! the curtain’s have been pulled. the old man exposed. Pacquiao’s* accomplishments are no more real than the Wizard of Oz. too bad that the line for brains is permanently closed.

Posted December 14, 2012 3:12 pm 


uuuuhhhh ….. he got knocked out; he is a fighter; it happens. Why the shock!?! Get over it. The chances are it would happen sooner or later.

Posted December 14, 2012 3:09 pm 


Virgil Hunter, Mayweather SR and the rest have one thing in common…. For the most part they ONLY have ONE Great fighter that is being used as a lightening rod for their abilities…. Hunter had Ward since he was YOUNG and Mayweather Sr had Floyd from when he was young till Roger took over… Pretending these guys are going to turn 34 year old Pac Man into a defensive wiz is ridiculous and laughable… He is who he is for the most part and if he stops fighting like Manny Pacquiao then he will have NEW problems to deal with…. Roach and Manny made history together, loyalty is in order

Posted December 14, 2012 2:57 pm 


interesting article, some fantasy here…nice.

Posted December 14, 2012 2:52 pm 


Pacquiao will rise again…

Posted December 14, 2012 2:33 pm 


Pacquiao accomplished everything known to man and then his time came to get knocked off his lofty perch… Guess what in time it will happen to ALL who stay around too long…60 bouts is alot in this day and age and Pac Man kept taking on big, tough and skilled opponents (Marquez)…. JMM could NOT have dispatched him in a MORE conclusive fashion absent sending his head into the 5th row, but that does not change or vindicate the beatings he layed on Barrera, Solis, Morales, ODH and Margarito…. All credit to Marquez for exceeding the most lofty expectations but Manny Pacquiaos run was historic, and it was LONG….. I know proportion is not the strong suit of some but Pac Man was a serious FORCE in the sport of boxing….

Posted December 14, 2012 2:30 pm 

te tumbo

Btw, i can’t wait to watch the next fighter who dares assume the moniker of “Mexicutioner” or “Mexican Assassin” to be Mexicuted by another Mexican ATG like Marquez or Chavez. for a while, everyone can make some money but one poor fighter will ultimately have to be sacrificed to satisfy the bloodlust of Huitzilopochtli. the Mexican god of WAR. Viva Marquez!

Posted December 14, 2012 2:23 pm 

te tumbo

MAD SCIENTIST, please keep it down(!). you might wake up Pacquiao* . . . :twisted:

Posted December 14, 2012 2:14 pm 

The Mad Scientist

Look pactards you just need to face the music, nothing can be done about what happened to your’re just gonna have to accept that you wont be riding off into the sunset without the world ever having to witness your god planted face first into the canvas by the fist of a mexican legend like Marquez..Pacquiao had a good run a gave you all some thrills but the memory of that run wont get you through the Dynamite right heard around the world..”BOOM!”

Posted December 14, 2012 2:10 pm 

te tumbo

perhaps Pacquiao* can outbid Marquez for Heredia’s services? that seems to be the primary concern of his crushed fanboys and it’s not as if Manny* doesn’t have the war-chest to do so. besides, we already know that Pacquiao* has no problems with improved training methods as long as they are not accompanied by improved anti-dopiing protocols. i can already imagiine the pride and praise of Pactards and “experts” alike at the development that Boxing’s most notorious avoider of OSTing has teamed-up with the PED Bogeyman (lol). i’ve gotta admit, even i would be impressed by this move, which would only enhance Pacquiao’s* notoriety.

Posted December 14, 2012 2:09 pm 


I think it’s time for a major overhaul of one PAC MAN…A trainer like Mayweather SR. would take Manny to places he has never seen… now this doesn’t mean that he’s a better trainer than Roach..just means that Manny needs a change in styles. He would become a KILLER and it would make for great TV DRAMA!!!…. just sayin’

Posted December 14, 2012 1:59 pm 

te tumbo

i wonder if Pacquiao* did dump Roach for another trainer, would he be allowed to bring Ariza along with him?

Posted December 14, 2012 1:45 pm 


Here we go with the conspiracy Theories….No excuse is going to change the outcome of the fight!
Plain and Simple, Manny just got Knocked The “F” Out!!!

Posted December 14, 2012 1:43 pm 

te tumbo

IF Pacquiao* does return, a change in trainers would be adviseable. either Mayweather would improve Manny’s* fight-game or perhaps Virgil Hunter? Garcia is another option. he definitely knows how to add boxing wrinkles to a fighter’s repertoire. one look at Maidana jabbing(?!?) himself back into a losing effort for a win is an example of what Garcia might be able to do for a Pacquiao*. once Manny* returns to earth, he should look him up. Btw, if i were Juan, he should pursue Bradley and depending on that outcome, and perhaps consider a 5th matchup v. Pacquiao*. otherwise, it’s no more necessary than an immediate rematch between Martinez v. Williams or Pacquiao* v. Hatton. after all, NObody can question the convincing or decisive quality of Marquez’s KO triumph over Manny*, i.e., the rivalry is OVER and the image of Pacquiao* planted face-first into the canvas surrounded by the horrified expressions of the 1%’s sitting ringside is unequivocal proof of that. bottomline, Pacquiao* never learned to avoid the combustible effects of “Dinamita”.

Posted December 14, 2012 1:42 pm 

te tumbo

Pacquiao* lost because Marquez is simply the superior fighter, which he’s already proven in their three previous bouts. while Marquez continues to adapt and retool his already formidable boxing arsenal, Pacquiao* is the same, single-fisted, one-dimensional puncher he’s always been, i.e., Predictable. Marquez can always count on the same openings to exploit in each fight and correctly figured that if he hit a little harder (Just-Like-Pacquiao*) he could make the most of those openings. Btw, the only thing “routine” about those KDs of Pacquiao* is that they were set-up in textbook fashion. unfortunately, neither Manny* or Roach are particularly dedicated readers and were apparently “surprised”(?) by these “routine” punches. the rivalry is OVER. Marquez is Better. Viva Marquez!

Posted December 14, 2012 1:33 pm 

The Kingslayer

I doubt it. Pac and Freddie have a strong bond, they’ve been together since Pac was a young man.

Posted December 14, 2012 1:31 pm 


Shhhhh Pacquiao is still sleeping.

Posted December 14, 2012 1:09 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie

Oh the drama…complete garbage disguised as an article

Posted December 14, 2012 1:03 pm 

The Boxing Corner

This wasnt Paquiao’s fault or Roach this was about Marquaez. Paquiao was up against a fighter that all of a sudden has overwelming power in his punchs in this particuler fight. What beat Pacquiao was the PEDS that Marquez was on and stepping and holding his foot on Pacquiao’s didnt help matters.

Posted December 14, 2012 12:55 pm 


Pacquaio lost because he got careless and walked right into a perfect counter right that would have KO’d just about any fighter. This loss has nothing to do with Freddie Roach and everything to do with getting caught with a great punch. It’s boxing…it happens. LOL

Until that one punch landed Manny was winning the fight and it looked like Marquez was in real trouble. He fought a good fight; he just got caught. That’s not bad coaching it’s just boxing.

Posted December 14, 2012 12:51 pm 

Supreme Court

Too little, too late.

Posted December 14, 2012 12:47 pm 

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