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TARK

Right Boxtradamus…. You’re the idiot who said Bute would beat Froch.

Posted November 23, 2012 6:36 pm 


Boxtradamus

Jokers wild & windows 77 & the rest of your buddies-I TOLD you 3 YEARS ago that Ward would become Top 5 P4P and be GREAT. I stand CORRECT today. I also TOLD you that you would be left making excuses for the next 10-15 YEARS. And I am CORRECT there TOO. Your other buddy Zenitram was forced into retirement because for 3 LONG YEARS all he SAID was to WAIT until Ward faces Dawson. Well that time came and WENT. And now Dawson and Zenitram are GONE with the WIND. And you’ll be gone TOO if you keep doubting Ward…..Learn how to recognize GREATNESS when you SEE it. IF you can’t recognize it then just defer to ME. I SAID that Ward would be GREAT and I also SAID that Broner would be GREAT. You are WELCOME to jump on their bandwagons.

Posted November 23, 2012 5:05 pm 


TARK

Didn’t I agree with all of that in the 2nd line of my post??? What does a young 36 and an old 39 mean to you??? I can’t even agree with your point without you coming off as a professorial, wind bloated, pompous know-it-all.. “Some of us who grasp the finer points of boxing” LMAO ..The finer points of Boxing couldn’t penetrate your race-biased brain with a harpoon. And who’s trying to tell you about RJJ’s win over the defunct Trinidad??? Did I suggest Trinidad was any good at that point??

My main POINT was Calzaghe cherry-picked in avoiding Tarver, Johnson, Froch, and other high risk opponents when he was at the top of his game. Roy didn’t.

Posted November 23, 2012 11:55 am 


SREDMOND

Tark, you correction stands but there is something called “ring age” and actual age some of us who grasp the finer points of boxing get this… Floyd is 36 in Feb, but he is YOUNGER in ring years than some fighters who are younger than him due to scant amount of abuse he has taken over the years…. Roy Jones was WELL past his sell date and everyone knows that, he had NOT beat a World Class fighter since 2003 (First win over Tarver) please don’t tell me about a bloated,comebacking Trinidad 20 pounds over his best fighting weight… Calzaghe beat a NAME at that point nothing more..

Posted November 23, 2012 10:09 am 


TARk

Sred….. Roy Jones Jr. wasn’t 41 when he fought Calzaghe.. He was 39.. Calzaghe was 36.. But Roy was an old 39 and Calzaghe was a young 36.. Both Antonio Tarver and Glen Johnson were older than Roy Jones when they knocked him stiff.. I wanted to see Calzaghe fight Johnson and Tarver but somehow he always had an excuse.. He had an excuse for not fighting Froch—Froch wasn’t experienced enough.. But he fought Peter Manfredo.. I thought that was pretty interesting since the money for Froch was huge.

Posted November 23, 2012 2:12 am 


SREDMOND

Knocking out Chad Dawson at any weight is SUPER impressive… Dawson has been in with experienced fighters and guys like Adamek who now compete at HW… He did not just lose he was made to QUIT… He could not compete which NEVER happened to him even in his previous loss to Pascal… Weight was NOT a factor, he rehydrated to a FULL 185 and just could not handle a better fighter… Wards a WINNER, he adjusts, he is a CHAMPION thats why seriously good fighters look average in the ring with him… Froch, Kessler, Dawson

Posted November 22, 2012 10:28 pm 


SREDMOND

Windows, who is saying that Ward is Hopkins? Bernard is damn near 20 years older and STILL fighting…Ward has beat guys in their primes this fighting at home notion is an excuse, Ward has NOT received a single “hometown decision” because the bouts have NOT even been close…People give Calzaghe grief on that note because the best were NOT in Wales, NOR were they going there to fight…It took Calzaghe to the END of his career to face guys like 43 year old Hops and SHOT RJJ who was 41…Froch, Kessler and Dawson were fresh meat and they could not compete and they NEVER will… Ward is getting grief because he is winning and beating the guys some of you would rather root for…. Get with the program, Andre Ward has left the new school of fighters in the dust absent guys like Donaire…

Posted November 22, 2012 10:24 pm 


TARK

Hopkins had 2 defeats when he was at the same stage of his career where Ward is.. So Andre is well ahead of Hopkins’ pace right now. He’s much higher on the P4P list as well.
B-Hop didn’t start climbing the P4P list until he was 33 or so. Anyone who says Ward’s not a great fighter after what he’s done is an idiot.

He could always lose a fight, get knocked out, or make a stupid move with his career—but right now he’s got it going.

Posted November 22, 2012 10:11 pm 


windows 77

Ward is no Hopkins. Ward has a long way to go to establish anything that the greats have done. Andre Ward fights at home, his resume is full of beaten fighters long before he did and to add- Ward has the kniock out power of dora the explorer. Ward beat Dawson at 168- and what, thats something? thats a joke. Now Pavlik, REALLY NOW.

Posted November 22, 2012 8:19 pm 


SREDMOND

No one mentions Bika as Wards top comp but it can be argued that the tough as nails Bika who made Calzaghe fight was a tougher fight for Ward than Dawson, Froch and Kessler two of whom he stopped and one of whom he toyed with while sporting a fractured hand (Froch) We just watched Kessler and Froch fighting the likes of Mack and Allan Green, guys who lose whenever they stepup…Meanwhile Ward just TKOed the ring Champion at 175 when he DARED to stray into his territory… So what Ward is going to cap Pavlik, he is fighting a former Champion at 160 and a guy who has lost to Top fighters Hops, Martinez… Who was beating Mack and Green? OLD Glenn Johnson stopped both and he is NOT considered a BIG hitter…Face Facts Ward is on ANOTHER tier from these others fighters and Pavs is gonna get it and so will Dawson, Froch, Kessler and co if they fight again at 168 or 175…

Posted November 22, 2012 3:07 pm 


SREDMOND

Chad Dawson came to the ring at his FULLY rehydrated weight of 185 pounds and sucked down that beating because he was in with a PRIME Superstar who was not amenable to his lackadasical attitude in the ring… Either Ward would have had to go up or Dawson down but SOMEONE was going to fight in another division… Dawson issued the challenge at 168 and he got boxed mindless and stopped by a FAR better fighter…I always gave Ward the edge because he is a TOUGHER more committed fighter than the athletically gifted Dawson who spent too many nights in the ring with older fighters with diminished reflexes… Chad gave Ward FULL credit due to the obvious and comprehensive nature of his beatdown… It does NOT matter there will always be an excuse for Ward haters despite the fact he is NOT a big puncher and was GREEN before the S6 which he dominated and treated like a coming out party at the expense of Kessler, Froch and the rest… Its Ward time and you guys had better get used to it or churn out some more creative excuses…

Posted November 22, 2012 2:59 pm 


TARK

It’s not Bika who built Ward’s reputation as a top P4P… Nobody is touting Bika. Who cares about Bika??? Bika is a nobody from nowhere—a fill-in fight while Ward was on vacation—a sparring session for money …. People cared about the Kessler fight.. Ward trounced the robot.. People cared about the Abraham fight.. AA had been a highly touted World Champion and Ward outclassed him easily.. People cared about the Froch fight.. Froch said he was going to walk rover Ward but got his ass handed to him.

Now Ward is fighting Kelly Pavlik.. A 5-year alcoholic.. But Pavlik is a World Championship caliber fighter with 2 defeats in over 40 fights.. His only losses to ATG HOFer type fighters.. Ward is not responsible for Kelly Pavlik’s drinking sprees.. HIs only job is to beat Kelly up and stop him—and he can’t be thinking about how easy it will be.

Posted November 22, 2012 1:26 pm 


TARK

Kessler sucks eggs… Can’t box.. Can’t duck a punch. He didn’t beat an injured Froch. He was on the way out 3 times against Froch but the referee broke up non-clinches.. Kessler and has no prayer in their rematch, which will be in Nottingham.. Kessler ran into a couple head bonks against a very green Ward—but that mattered little.. He lost every round by a wide margin with no ability to put a serious glove on Ward..

Ward has several years of top flight experience since the Kessler fight.. He’s improved at least 30% in his last 6 fights.. That’s what the great fighters do.. But if Pavlik can’t do better than Kessler did he’ll be a pathetic laughing stock.. Kelly has to watch Ward-Kessler 327 times. It has to sink in that being an immobile robot who eats punches like hamburgers isn’t going to work. Thankfully he’s a little more versatile than Kess.

Posted November 22, 2012 10:56 am 


te tumbo

gatekeeper and journeyman is already Pavlik’s status, which is why ‘no shame’ and ‘more money’ in losing to Ward is the best career choice. how Pavlik loses to Ward will determine his marketability afterwards. unfortunately for Pavlik, i anticipate a showcase type of performance from Ward who figures to outclass and befuddle Pavlik like a SOG. Ward, All-Day-and-All-Fight-Long.

Posted November 22, 2012 10:40 am 


SREDMOND

So what Ward is fighting Pavlik he already beatdown everyone worth beating at 168, Kelly Pavlik is about 5x better of an opponent than Yusaf Mack or Allan Green who were BOTH knocked out by OLD Glenn Johnson… Pavlik has never been stopped so he will make a fun beating victim we all know his only shot is power, just like Froch or Kesslers would be if they lined up to get dealt with again…Why not let Kelly P end up a name on Wards resume… And if he drinks too damn much who’s fault is that? Want Ward to administer a field sobriety test? or perhaps help Froch with his emotional issues after getting outboxed by Andre…

Posted November 22, 2012 10:36 am 


SREDMOND

Jokerswild your name is appropriate, Wards off to a FAST start in under 30 fights he bagged the Ring Champion at 175 who choose to comedown in weight he rearended all these guys from the S6 who were durable enough to last Kessler, Froch, Bika, ect..Not liking a fighter is fine but ignoring a budding legacy and concrete accomplisments over fighters in their primes is not gonna fly…. Ward is ranked #4th in the world by Ring Mag, the ship has sailed and barring someone knocking him off you are witnessing a GREAT career unfold… Strap in and stop making excuses….

Posted November 22, 2012 10:31 am 


psy

Pavlik might be cashing himself out. I can’t imagine he is stupid enough to believe he could win, and I doubt he’d allow himself to be thrown under the bus for no reason. Pity, he could still do a job at 160, he went life and death with Martinez, who is himself head and shoulders above the rest of the middleweights.

@ TARK ‘Pavlik is better and more dangerous than Kessler ever was’ – I hope that is supposed to be a joke. Because it is plainly nonsense.

Posted November 22, 2012 10:08 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn

Pavlik literally has the liver of a 78 year old Russian vagrant. The guy has been done for years. I remember hearing accounts of his hard drinking exploits from fellow Youngstown natives long before he locked horns with that ugly snaggletooth b@stard B-Hop. They said it was a regular occurrence to see him out and about town staggering from bar to bar in a drunken stuper. One of them said that one time they saw him he was so drunk he’d taken his trousers and pants off and was laying in the middle of the road singing the theme tune to Mash whilst frantically masturbating his c@ck. The poor guy is literally on his last legs and Ward and his team know damn well that he doesn’t stand a chance in hell of beating him, just like they knew god damn well that a drained to f@ck Dawson stood zero chance against him down at super middleweight. Smoke and mirrors people. Smoke and mirrors.

Posted November 22, 2012 4:24 am 


jokers wild

Oh my. Yep Yep Yep. can you believe it. Here is some bonehead already tryin to put ward on the same lines as a Bernard Hopkings. Thanks for the good laugh. Ward needs a much better record than what he has on the paper. Ward has a record of frozen bodies, and only one KO not worth much against a weak Dawson at 168. Ward didnt have the balls to take on Dawson at 175 and here we go with the stiff picks, Pavlik!!!! Ward sux.

Posted November 22, 2012 4:16 am 


Anonymous

Andre Ward needs to fight somebody worth a dam and dont count dawson at 168 and stop gloating on the foul a thon against kesler way back when. Wards record is do do against beaten fighters , give us a break.

Posted November 22, 2012 4:09 am 


Anonymous

oh come on, pavlik? com on ward, weak

Posted November 22, 2012 4:07 am 


el chapo

This win? How about where this thorough beatdown puts Kelly.

Posted November 22, 2012 1:02 am 


frank

if ever fighter quit after a loss there be about 2 fighter left . if pavlik is still training hard pavlik can still make some money in boxing .his people have to pick guys he matches up well against .now ward isnt a good match up for pavlik but its a title shot and pavlik will be paid for fighting in a title fight . agreed he doesnt match up well against ward but who does.

Posted November 21, 2012 8:34 pm 


The Prince

After Hopkins broke his spirit, Pavlik hasn’t been the same. He needs to retire and find another profession. He fought out after the loss to Hopkins that this sport isn’t for him. They don’t call Hopkins The Executioner for nothing. He’s done this to a lot of fighters during his career.

Posted November 21, 2012 7:58 pm 


TARK

Kelly is too young to retire… Pavlik has to rekindle the fire he had over 5 or 6 years ago.. He has to rekindle the anger and fury he felt when people made him the underdog against Jermain Taylor—a badly flawed fighter he knew he could KO.

Ward is so much better than Taylor. Pavlik was too brash against Taylor—but that makes you train hard because you don’t want to lose to a clown. Against Ward maybe Kelly expects to lose. That’s the worst feeling possible. It destroys your camp because it’s all for nothing. Everyone tries to be cheerful and optimistic but there’s a sense of doom .. The fighter himself isn’t radiating energy that electrifies everyone else. It’s like the Romney campaign … You knew it was a dead dog and his team was whistling in the dark.

Posted November 21, 2012 6:43 pm 


Anonymous

Time for Pavlic to retire. Ward is an excelent fighter with fewer flaws than Pavlic.Ward could be better,but is young and should get better both offensively and defensively…..We will soon see…..God bless….kenny weldon

Posted November 21, 2012 6:36 pm 


Anonymous

Kelly needs to give a good account of himself, he’s getting old (for boxing) and has had many tough fights, it’s time to make as much money as possible and prolong his career fighting top fighters that aren’t real bangers

Posted November 21, 2012 2:37 pm 


Anonymous

SREDMAN..Yes your point is well taken and I agree to a point.But Pavlik hasnt been that active lately and Ward is a great fighter I just think if Arum wanted Pavlik around longer and had bigger paydays for him he would have looked for some different fights at this point.It just seems Arum is throwing him to the wolves at this point without thinking to much of Pavliks long term future.And yes Ward is a very special fighter..no matter what some people say.

Posted November 21, 2012 2:00 pm 


SREDMOND

Pavlik was matched with Sergio Martinez who is more lethal as it pertains to stopping guys than Ward… Should Pavlik lose, the narrative could be he was in with the #4 or #5 fighter P4P in the world depending on who is asking… Who is he supposed to fight? Kelly has had enough tuneups and journeymen its time for him to either step it up or step off…

Posted November 21, 2012 1:40 pm 


Anonymous

It would seem Arum is cashing in on Pavlik…Arum is a bussiness man and all he sees is $$$..he must think this is the end of the rope for the kid.

Posted November 21, 2012 12:23 pm 


SREDMOND

Who cares if Pavlik is getting cashed out at least he is making some money and he has about in front of him that SHOULD motivate him…If he cares about his career he will be in the BEST shape imaginable and come to fight…If he upset Ward, he would be right back on track to make some money and the world opens for him…If you cannot ignore the lure of being a small town boy slamming Budweisers at the local watering hole then he will have enough money from this fight to drink happily for a few years and discuss how he “coulda been a contender”… I like Pav’s but he has been figured out, jab, jab straight right and thats about it…..

Posted November 21, 2012 12:03 pm 


Dribble

Can you imagine these puussaays fighting in the 40s 50s 60s……….. Owwwwww his eye brow touched me. fook off!!

Posted November 21, 2012 12:03 pm 


SREDMOND

Deezy, totally disagree then so is Pac Man who hit Morales when he was down, Cotto who blew Judahs groin out, slammed Clottey and another fighter I forget… How many guys have been cut by Ward and did he complain when he faced Bika who slices everyone and is a rough fighter? Kelly Pavlik is NOT a shrinking violet and he let 44 year old Bernard Hopkins take him to school and beat him with hardly any roughhouse tactics… Attempts to discredit Ward are transparent, EVERYONE has some aggressive moments in the ring the Kessler bout is hardly a proxy for his career… Whining is weak in combat sports

Posted November 21, 2012 11:50 am 


Deezy

Sorry Sred but he is a dirty fighter

Posted November 21, 2012 10:50 am 


SREDMOND

Ward is NOT a dirty fighter, having one bout where there were some head clashes does not forever label you a “dirty boxer”” Pavlik has FAR more relevant concerns such as Wards quick fists bouncing off his head and superior ring generalship for a fighter that his tough yet ONE dimensional..

Posted November 21, 2012 10:27 am 


skinnysteve

soggy better pray to his plastic jesus that everything goes according to plan else he is going to look like a real chump

Posted November 21, 2012 9:53 am 


Karesse

Ward fights dirty like Borekins. There both the same with different names

Posted November 21, 2012 9:14 am 


frank

it called professional fighting and pavlik is getting a chance for a big pay day .now if the fight gets to one sided which I think has a very good chance of happening. Its up to the ref and pavliks conner to throw in the towel . Besides ward hasnt lost a fight since he is ten so losing to him isnt always career ending froch dawson and kessler are still alive and fighting

Posted November 21, 2012 8:29 am 


Mbuyiseli

Yep, the Snake is cashing out. Andre Ward is the man. Its Top Rank who wanted this fight. Don’t worry Arum will cash out on another bum who doesn’t take his trade serious in Chavez Jr. Actually I would’ve loved to see Pavlik vs Hype job Bute. It would much closer than this fight.

Posted November 21, 2012 7:34 am 


OCTAVIUS72

@COUNTRY; if what your saying is true; I feel sorry for him and shame on Bob Arum and TOP RANK for putting this man in this position. I hope he gets the help he needs to deal with his demons much like Ricky Hatton did.

Posted November 21, 2012 3:44 am 


Narles

I wouldn’t be surprised if Arum does cash in on Pav. He’s such a crooked jew !

Posted November 21, 2012 12:28 am 


Jack Dempsey

Pavlik could pull the upset ..he could have learn something from the losses from Hopkins and Martinez ..Remember Pavlik has good power and Ward’s chain is suspect …

Posted November 21, 2012 12:25 am 


The Kingslayer

I wouldn’t be shocked if Ward gets a TKO here, not a flat out stoppage but an accumulation of damage that forces the towel to be thrown in.

Posted November 20, 2012 11:09 pm 


OCTAVIUS72

Vada or no Vada; Ward would beat his ass for the simple fact that Pavlik isn’t on his SKILL LEVEL. If he thinks Hopkins schooled him; he’s in for a beating this go around.

Posted November 20, 2012 10:39 pm 


Tommylarusso

I think Pavlik will give Ward HELL!!
Also I hope they use Vadatesting or another agency I think Ward is dirty

Posted November 20, 2012 10:31 pm 


The Kingslayer

Yes he is !!! A far better fight for Pavlik would have been Froch, Kessler or Abraham but of course Bob Arum only cares about taking money off of HBO.

Posted November 20, 2012 10:07 pm 


ben hill

Sad for Pavlik; he should rather fight Abraham for the WBO belt (and then Kessler and Froch for an ending career?) …… but if Pavlik and Ward should drink 12 heineken just before the bout, Pavlik would win imho

Posted November 20, 2012 9:58 pm 


Joepugz

Pavlik unfortunately is a ” had been” … Ever since he was school’d by Hopkins that was his end. Sure he has power but the fight just ain’t in him no m,ore and the guy should have changed trainers 10 years ago. In my opinion he resorts back to his old style and that has been conquered by Hopkins and Martinez so, his hype or mystique is gone. Again, sure he has a heart of a lion but he';s been beaten too many times to be a threat to anyone. He’s broke and needs the money that;’s why he’s fighting but, deep down he knows he’s finished.. Kelly get out of the game before you get killed . . PEACE

Posted November 20, 2012 9:38 pm 


Boxtradamus

This Fight is a total and thorough MISMATCH. Ward has the SKILLS, Boxing IQ, Hand Speed, and Foot Speed advantages. Maybe even the Power advantage. Pavlik can only HOPE that Ward shows UP unprepared and uninspired like Tyson was vs. Douglas.

Posted November 20, 2012 9:37 pm 


blue eye devil

Arum and Garcia must have given up on Kelly if they make this fight at this time. Pavlik has looked very ordinary in his last few fights. He certainly has shown nothing to indicate that he is ready to fight Ward, a guy who might well be the best in the game. I like Kelly and have enjoyed watching him fight over the years, but I fear this fight will be as lopsided as Mayweather/ Gatti (R.I.P.)) was.

Posted November 20, 2012 8:26 pm 


Anonymous

“In Ward’s last fight he even showed power by putting Chad Dawson down 3 times during that fight, even though Dawson’s weight loss played a part. ”

Like the result would have been any different if the fight was fought at a catch or 175.

Posted November 20, 2012 8:04 pm 


Anthony

Boxrec has this listed as a 5 star fight, not so sure about that.

Posted November 20, 2012 8:01 pm 


Anthony

It’s official

Posted November 20, 2012 7:58 pm 


Fight Aficionado

I didn’t see Ward-Pavlik announcement. Is it officially announced or is this a talking point nowadays? Big difference.

Posted November 20, 2012 7:35 pm 


Red Ryan

Yeah just like Haye was using ten toes instead of nine against Wlad……..

Posted November 20, 2012 7:31 pm 


Anonymous

Kelly always has that big right hand…. but I only see this fight as a one sided, 12 round beat down.

Posted November 20, 2012 7:30 pm 


Red Ryan

Pavlik has lost on points to perhaps the best two middleweights of the last two decades. What are you talking about, go and have your OWN opinion and not somebody else’s……………

Posted November 20, 2012 7:29 pm 


Moonshineman

I don’t know if Arum is, but Kelly might be. I assume he will be getting at least a million for this fight.

Posted November 20, 2012 7:10 pm 


Facts

Ward should win but watch out for his big @ss head.Like his idol flopkins he’s taking dirty moves from the best of em b-pops/Floyd.Don’t listen suffer what kessler did.People talk about lara being dirty lol.Ward like bradley lead with their heads & duck to prevent cuts but inflect them.Props to kelly for stepping up though.

Posted November 20, 2012 6:11 pm 


SREDMOND

Pavlik is a durable and gutty fighter but he is one dimensional, Ward will figure him out in 2 rounds and then it will be all timing Kelly and busting him up.. If Hopkins at 44 could put the smackdown, then Ward who is beginning to peak is going to have a field day… Potential for a fun fight, slugger vs boxer

Posted November 20, 2012 6:10 pm 


pugfan

Kelly will have to protect himself from Wards head butts,otherwise he will suffer the same fate as Kessler. Kelly has a punchers chance,and that is good enough for me to watch.

Posted November 20, 2012 5:37 pm 


lol

Pavlik is like the new Mayorga. One or two good wins against an overrated champ take him from journyeman bum to punchingbag to the stars. I mean I like him and everything but from here out Pavlik is really just going to be the guy they call in to take a beating when somebody’s fighter needs an easy win over a name opponent. As long as he doesn’t take too much damage it isn’t a terrible way to make a buck I just don’t think he’ll be competitive for any kind of belts again.

Posted November 20, 2012 5:17 pm 


Shane

He should be fighting Froch. Maybe KP is just ready to pack it in. He isn’t poor. On the other hand he is expected to lose badly so if he gives any account he goes up. If you are expected to have no shot…….how can losing hurt? Froch got embarrassed and his career isn’t over. Maybe over reaction a bit. Bute got it worse…..

Posted November 20, 2012 5:15 pm 


TARK

It wasn’t the Hopkins fight… The way Pavlik looked in the Hopkins fight was the end result of partying, drinking, getting laid, staying out all night, and taking advantage of his money, celebrity, and popularity … It happens to a lot of guys… They struggle and drive for years to become World Champion and want to enjoy the fruits of their labor for a while.

It can be a long while for some—because it’s more fun than training your ass off.

Posted November 20, 2012 5:11 pm 


Youngstown4Pavlik

Good fight for Pavlik. This is what he needs. He will be able to get motivated for this fight. Think about the money flow if he pulls this off. This win would put Kelly in some good fights. Also heard that its not signed yet.

Posted November 20, 2012 5:02 pm 


Scott

@ Puglife: While you put it bluntly I believe you’re 100% right. I know the booze played a factor but after getting his ass handed to him by Hopkins Kelly was finished. I’ll never forget the look on Kelly’s face at the end of that fight. It was a face of embarrassment, shame, disbelief, shock, and total and utter defeat.

Pavlik is a good fighter and given time I believe could be great but by putting him in with Ward it’s most certainly going to…not stall…but end Kelly’s career, at least as a marquee name. Pehaps Bob knows something about Kelly that we don’t but I can’t see a promoter throwing Pavlik in with Ward unless there was something there that he/she sees.

I was really hoping for Pavlik/GGG but that ain’t happening after Ward runs Kelly out of boxing.

Posted November 20, 2012 4:58 pm 


hookoffthejab

what isnt ….

Posted November 20, 2012 4:45 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

It’s about money chode.

Posted November 20, 2012 4:35 pm 


AD

Ward is going to shut him out, but I just hope PAvlik does himself justice and doesn`t get humiliated. He could be an interesting addition to the SMW’s because his limitations mean he has to go out and fight rather than outbox.
I think it may be another fight however that shows that the SMW divison is one of the strongest around – when you think that Abraham & Taylor came up from MW and got beaten down, then you have Johnson, Mack and Dawson coming down from LHW getting beat. Pascal couldn`t get a title at SMW, but becomes on of the big 3 at LHW etc. Chavez Jnr is desperate to avoid going up into the division. I see Pavlik adding to that evidence by getting a beat down from Ward.

Posted November 20, 2012 4:09 pm 


Anonymous

Robert A Here
Pavlik’s only chance to be competitive in this fight would be to enlist the expertise of Victor Conte. Then again, that might create a conflict of interest problem since Ward has already done that.

Posted November 20, 2012 4:09 pm 


TARK

Pavlik has as much chance of getting a fight with Arthur Abraham as Romney has of winning a recount.. The Ward fight has been n the works for a while.. Pavlik’s options were Grennedy Golovkin, Edwin Rodriguez, Adonis Stevenson, Andre Dirrell, or Andre Ward.. A lot of interested potential opponents.. It’s not as if nobody wants to fght Kelly. He was an undisputed World Champion and is still a good drawing card … If you’re going to get your tail whipped anyway—you might as well go after the guy with the most prestige, the highest ranking, and the most unified title … How many fighters pass that up?

Posted November 20, 2012 3:51 pm 


Damian

Kelly really should NOT take this fight. He will be humiliated, and Bob Arum must know this. You’d have to be seriously delusional to think he has any chance against Ward. I’d be amazed if he won a single round on any of the judge’s scorecards. He’d do much better fighting Abraham. At least in that fight he’d have a chance.

Posted November 20, 2012 3:17 pm 


KOrnerman

all that said if Pavlik can land a big straight right it might stun Ward,he managed to land against Marvilla quite a bit.

Posted November 20, 2012 3:00 pm 


Puglife

Yep. Arum is cashing out on Pavlik, and who can blame him? Pavlik has been done since Hopkins brutalized him, and the booze didn’t help. Might as well get him one last paycheck and send him into retirement.

Posted November 20, 2012 2:44 pm 


Anonymous

This is a very bad fight for Pavlik. Ward is a fine fighter at his peak and Pavlik, frankly has lost his edge. He no longer has the snap and power as before. Pavlik will lose badly. My only hope is that he is well paid on what may be his last big fight.

Posted November 20, 2012 1:29 pm 


dan

pavlik to stop ward

Posted November 20, 2012 1:09 pm 


Frochy

Well, thats funny. I guess you should watch the fight closely again even though it was obvious. You’ll quite clearly see that Ward was using both hands but you’re so gullible that you’ll actually believe the one hand fib.

Posted November 20, 2012 12:58 pm 


Denno

Ward has already comfortably beaten the 2nd and 3rd best super middleweights, so I don’t see what else there is left for him at the weight. Moving up also gives him little options as well. Dawson rematch? Hopkins? He should really have taken on Dawson at light heavy and established himself there.

Posted November 20, 2012 12:56 pm 


Boxtradamus

Pavlik take MY advice and pull out. You pulled out of the Bute Fight well this one is MUCH more dangerous. Ward is Top 3 P4P. You’re not ready for that yet and you may NEVER be. YOU should be after Kessler or Froch.

Posted November 20, 2012 12:44 pm 


Daly jr

Gwite, Ward stated damaged tissue in his left hand. It hurt him, but didnt stop him from using it. He used both hands VERY effectively. Cudos to him for that. He caught Carl with the left all night. Dont make out he was a 1 handed man

Posted November 20, 2012 12:39 pm 


terror tim

Pavilik is more dangerous than Kessler ever was? Sorry but I can’t agree to that, especially now. Kessler is a much better fighter. This fight will be a complete shut out. For Ward to add Pavilik to his resume does nothing for him at this point. I don’t get it on any level. I would rather see a rematch with Froch any day. Froch was starting to come on in the end. Kelly will get smothered on the inside and doesn’t have the footwork to keep himself at a distance, he never did. Ward will be 2 inches from his nose the whole fight hitting him at will every time Kelly tries to make a move.

Posted November 20, 2012 12:38 pm 


terror tim

Daly Jr, that part is a bit funny. Don’t make the comments about the Froch fight if you are going to turn around and fight a guy who isn’t even in the same league. I don’t even think this is a cash out for Pavilik as Ward’s gates are never huge. I would think a fight in Montreal vs Bute would pay more.

Posted November 20, 2012 12:33 pm 


TARK

I like the fight…, Not a good fight for Pavlik—but it’s a good fight for Ward.. A big, tall puncher with a fair jab and an extra long reach—but who is very slow and can’t get under a punch.. Basically another Kessler fight, but Pavlik is better and more dangerous than Kessler ever was … The only problem I see is that Pavlik has been in Funksville for so long that we might see another half-hearted effort out of him. Kelly hasn’t had any fire since the first Taylor fight and is less a risky than fighting Edwin Rodriguez — that’s why this is such a good fight for Ward. He can look like a genius and burnish his rep even more by being the first to stop Pavlik—just like he was the first to stop Dawson.

Maybe the reason Robert Garcia accepted this fight is to get his dead dog moving. If you don’t get super excited about the prospect of fighting Andre Ward—your life is over.

Posted November 20, 2012 12:32 pm 


Daly jr

Ward wasnt interested in Froch vs Mack, but he is interested in himself fighting a washed up Pavlik? Strange. I guess the idea is to clean out the division completely. Kenny Anderson watch out

Posted November 20, 2012 12:20 pm 


Mo-Box

Utter mismatch indeed. Pavlik is not just taylor made style-wise for Ward but Pavlik is also pretty much punch drunk and done by now. Decent money and very low risk bout for Ward though, plus he’ll have a “name” in his resume, so maybe not that bad choice afterall.

Posted November 20, 2012 12:19 pm 


wearerofallthebelts

I agree. I was always a Kelly Pavlik fan but I think this is just wrong. Pav will not win a single round against Andre Ward.

Posted November 20, 2012 12:13 pm 


terror tim

How is this even a good fight for fans? I am a fan of Kelly’s but he has about as much chance of winning this as I would [well not that bad but you get the idea]. This fight is a joke and Ward shouldn’t even be entertaining it. 168 has a ton of talent and he fights Kelly. If Ward wants to become a star in boxing he needs to continue the path he was just on. Fighting Dawson was great, this is garbage.

Posted November 20, 2012 11:58 am 



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