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BEARS

i bet you “the prince” was not crying when it was lennox lewis with same dimensions as a klitschKO dominating. we seen that height can be just one benefit. no single “edge” or trait is gonna make one the champ. when we think of the greats few of them had “height” as their edge and foughted taller opponents. the 3 best heavyweights of ALL TIME do however have a height advantage and that is 1) vitaly klitschko 2) wladimir klitschko and 3) lennox lewis…..then you have your louis/ali, holmes, marciano, et all.

Posted November 16, 2012 4:32 am 


huckster

Wlad the dominator-Pulev 2013

Posted November 15, 2012 4:27 pm 


The Prince

Of course. The Klits are super heavyweights dominating in the regular heavyweight division. That’s their edge. It’s clearly plain to see.

Posted November 14, 2012 10:44 pm 


Hidalgo

“sheesh, there would only be like 10 boxers in the super heavyweight division anyway, and how boring would that be?” Which is exactly why the heavyweight division has no weight limit. Great for putting dollars in certain entities’ pockets but not great for the smaller heavyweight, not in sync with the other weight divisions in the sport. BTW folks, Cruiserweight caps out at 200 lbs. I’m at a loss why anyone would use this division to make a comparison.

Posted November 13, 2012 10:57 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Popkins, good point…

Posted November 13, 2012 9:51 pm 


Unbiased Dane

DG : this is too funny, the Klitschko´s are some of the most dominent champions ever, and you try to portray them as unskilled ? they hide using their hight ? how does that work, the have some of higest ko rates ever. with lots of brutal ko´s and they do it hiding lol. And you are sure Wlad would get hit too aften if he was smaller, just because Wach landed one solid punch ? If the Klitschko´s was smaller they would also be faster. jesus !!!!!

Posted November 13, 2012 8:47 pm 


VOK

Nah… it would end up as another cruiser+ division. limited interest.
And that leaving aside the fact that the author pointed just 3 smallish heavyweights to compete in this new division. frankly, all three would do better as cruiserweights and they know it. still they mixing it up with the big guys. why? well, we all know why.

Posted November 13, 2012 6:40 pm 


TARK

“Dempsey later masscared Willard who was Klitschkos size” Willard wasn’t nearly as big.. Willard was only 6’5″ according to the Guiness World Record book.. They had Carnera as the tallest heavyweight heavyweight champion before the Klitschkos at 6′ 5.75″… Willard weighed only 220 to 230 in his prime.. Willard was very fat and out of shape for the Dempsey. He was in terrible physical condition, and had only one exhibition fight in 4 years since he won the title. He would have been easily beaten by Wach. He admitted he didn’t train well for the fight, but also accused Dempsey of having plastered hand wraps, and said he felt like he was getting hit with steel hammers.

Posted November 13, 2012 4:32 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Ugh this question again? NO. The cruiserweight division’s weight has moved up from 185 to 190 to 200 lb, the same weight as heavyweight in the amateurs. So there’s already a regular heavyweight division. If these undersized heavies can’t get down to 200 lb then that’s their problem dealing with today’s supersized heavies.

Posted November 13, 2012 4:26 pm 


Popkins

Tyson at 220, Ali at 215, Liston at 215, and Louis at 200 would all whup Wlad…just need more talented competition, not more divisions.

Posted November 13, 2012 3:29 pm 


Unbiased Dane

The fascination with hw is the huge size of boxers, who naturrally are the hardest punchers in boxing. And even if the Klitschko´s were only 192cm/ 6 feet 3.59 inches and weighed 100kg/220lb, they would still be dominant champions. Some Brits and Americans need to come to peace with the fact that they arent dominating the hw division.

Posted November 13, 2012 12:49 pm 


It’s me, Ernie

It could be a good thing if some of the smaller heavyweights could possibly go down to Cruiser, or even have a division just for the Supers. It would make for some exciting fights, unlike the huge Klitschko’s taking on various unskilled opponents. That goes over well in Germany, but the real fans around the world are for the most part bored to death otherwise. MMA is slowly gaining ground due to the excitement factor that most fans look for. Like it or not, the series of Klitschko bore-snores have harmed the status of the sport as far as fan support is concerned.

Posted November 13, 2012 11:11 am 


Anonymous

What? There are already 17 weight divisions from the original 8! It’s down to the smaller more agile men to use their speed and reflexes to get inside the behemoths. Tyson and Frazier usually did well against far bigger men so why can’t someone else? A division was created years ago because it was conceived that the gap between light heavyweight and heavyweight was too big given the size of modern day heavies and we ended up with the lifeless, moneyless and talent barren shower called the cruiserweight division. No one needs a 2nd cruiserweight division!

Posted November 13, 2012 10:27 am 


SSR

@ Mo-Box ….. well said …well said !

Posted November 13, 2012 7:54 am 


namm

ibragimov didn’t take a beating. He got caught in the first round and realized he had no chance, so he switched into a survival mode, cashed in his reportedd 5 million dollars and retired…

Posted November 13, 2012 6:48 am 


namm

superheavyweight division makes sense only as long as heavyweight champions (weighing for example 200-225 pounds, as the author suggests), can compete in both divisions without the need to increase their weight over 225 and could hold belts in two divisions simultaneously. So Adamek, Chambers or Povetkin could fight Klitschkos for their belts at the new superheavy, while Klitschko couldn’t fight for povetkin for his belt at heavyweight division 200-225 pounds.

Posted November 13, 2012 6:38 am 


Mo-Box

A lot has been said. The only fasible solution would make Cruiser Weight upper limit a little higher. But the bottom line is not the size but the talent combined with hard work that pays the bills. Klits do it, but they’re rare big men who fight so fast and have good reflexes for their huge frame size. Most of big guys are powerful but slow reflexed – see how Wlad nailed Wach that he even didn’t notice the punches coming while Wlad could see the most punches coming and duck, even jabs. And those guys are huge in size to move their massive joints takes more time too. All the BSing that IF the NBA guys entered boxing would be the same result – most of them would get mowed by faster, smarter, smaller and more slick/quick reflexed boxers. Not the power or speed, but in boxing speed+power combined with skills kills. Speed or power is nothing without control. It takes a VERY SPECIAL big guy to compete so well, Lewis and Klitschkos are the only examples I know. Ali and Foreman were the bigger-than-average guys of their time, but they’d be not so big compared to Lewis or Klits. I say over half of other HW champs in history have been close-to-average size of their weight division.

Would be interesting to know what happens when Klits retire soon, will Pulev/Price/Wilder-likealikes be the only top dogs or we see some new smaller-hungrier guys coming along… Definitely interesting times ahead.

Posted November 13, 2012 5:10 am 


curtley

I think that this is a myth perpetrated by the excellence of the K-Bros that these huge HWs are abundant and dominant. If you look at the truth is is BS and the K-Bros are the only supersized HW’s who are any good which is not simply because of there size. Read the Jack Johnson biography recently and there were numerous 6′ 7″ 18 stone guys to be whipped by papa Jack just as Dempsey later masscared Willard who was Klitschkos size. They use there size to there advantage sure but it is there skills and conditioning that put them at the top, no need for a SH division and the more I see the brothers (have been an ardent critic) I feel Wlad in particular would be excellent if he was 6′ 3″ and 16st as he is quick skilled and punches hard. The next best HW’s are Haye and Adamek in my eyes so this dispells the myth that its all about size

Posted November 13, 2012 5:01 am 


Anonymous

A super heavy division would be soooo boring. It would only have about 15 fighters in it.

Posted November 13, 2012 4:50 am 


Anonymous

If you are fighting at 6’1 or 6’2 and you come in looking bloated and out of shape. Then you need to move the hell Down to CW or take your profession more seriously……..sheesh, there would only be like 10 boxers in the super heavyweight division anyway, and how boring would that be?

Posted November 13, 2012 4:49 am 


AD

The crux of it is, that at any time there will be a weight at which people who are much over it start to lose the benefits of size as their speed, cardiovascular fitness, injury rate and coordination diminishes. If the question is posed as “has this weight increased over time” then I`d have to say that yes it has, and at some point the weights system will need to accomodate that by altering the cruiserweight limit. There isn`t a compelling case for it now however, simply because of Wlad and Vitali – they are outliers, and the rest of the supersized boxers at present are nowehere near the athletes that these guys are. I`d be more inclined to support sugestions such as this if the smaller opponents who came in to fight the Klitschkos looked like they were in the best possible shape looked like they had a plan, and displayed better technical skills than the Klitshckos but that isn`t the case. In almost every fight we are seeing that the Klitschkos are better conditioned, better skilled AND THEY HAPPEN to be bigger. If I see a couple of really talented, in shape, aggressive heavies come along, show better skills than the big guys and get beaten down late due to the size then I`ll join the call for the weights to move, but at the moment I can`t think of any recent heavywight fights where size has explicitly been the deciding factor. For instance I`d be more sympathetic to Williams vs Helenius, if Williams hadn`t turned up looking like a blimp.

Posted November 13, 2012 3:53 am 


TARK

For over 100 years the heavyweight division started at 176 pounds.. Michael Spinks, Michael Moorer, and Roy Jones all moved up from winning 175-pound world titles to winning Heavyweight Championships.. Now we have the cruiserweight division at 200 pounds.. Let cruiserweight gain some popularity and a little history before we go shunting guys off into yet another weight division.. We’ve had cruiserweights such as Cunningham, Adamek, Chambers, Haye, Huck, etc., operating as heavyweights—and that’s because the cruiserweight division, even at the championship level has so little history and public appeal as of yet … That will change in another decade or two.. Fans just have to get used to the cruiserweight division being there to give it tons of support.. “Cruiserweight champion? What the Hell is that?”

Posted November 13, 2012 1:17 am 


Tyler

haha the Klitschko brothers kick so much ass that people want a different division to put them in. OWNED.

Posted November 13, 2012 12:55 am 


Anonymous

Last thing we need in boxing more wt.classes…more belts.And then if we have a weak superhvwt. champ and a very tough looking hvwt. champ it could cause more catch weight fights and who the hell needs that.It would only be good for the greedy promoters with more belts more so-called champs…it would just cause more bull.

Posted November 13, 2012 12:12 am 


Hidalgo

“If someone is good enough, regardless of their size, they can make it!” Fine, let’s put Anselmo Moreno in against Wlad Klitschko. Do you think size will make a difference now?

Posted November 12, 2012 11:40 pm 


Anonymous

You can view round 5 on utube anytime you want……i got tired of hearing about it and posters talking about a few seconds of a 12 rounder. Its plain to see wlad wasnt rally bothered but wach went nuts like he had him. What a terrible beating and like brock,ibragimov etc he will join others as never to box again. Its the brain damage they suffer after trying to fight wlad.

Posted November 12, 2012 11:38 pm 


Hidalgo

“When that is no longer happening another division can be created—because it will show that the human body has evolved to a degree that a 220lb man can no longer compete with a 250lb man … Right now this is not the case.” Tark, I think your reasoning is askew as well as that of anyone who agrees with you. As I said before, the heavyweight division is the ONLY division in boxing that has no upper weight limit–this is totally contrary to the whole purpose of having weight divisions in boxing. It simply is not fair and you know as well as I do that the Klitschkos as well as the other really big men in this division HAVE enjoyed victories over smaller opponents mainly because they were smaller, and not as long, strong, etc. and simply cannot withstand their size and power. The fact is, the “heavyweights” in the heavyweight division are getting too damned big! There really are “giants” fight in that division. It’s time to re-create the super heavyweight division. I mean really, look how many of these really big guys there are.

Posted November 12, 2012 11:37 pm 


The Kingslayer

We don’t need more division we need less !!! it’s time we got rid of thise stupid Super and Jr weight classes, boxing needs to go back to the tradition eight classes !!!

Posted November 12, 2012 10:48 pm 


Lman

The sancntioning bodies would love another division, but no there shouldnt be, dividing divisions by weight only already presents a problem i.e weight draining, stacking etc..

Posted November 12, 2012 10:31 pm 


Scott

Boxing doesn’t need a superheavyweight division. What it needs are heavyweight boxers who come in shape, take their craft seriously, train hard, and prepare well for a fight. The Klitschko’s are great talents no doubt but they are made to look even better by incredibly weak opposition, which is no fault of their own. They aren’t dominate because of their size but rather their skill, dedication, and perseverance.

Posted November 12, 2012 9:46 pm 


Unbiased Dane

Take care Mr Rubes it is alway´s interesting reading your posts
:-)

Posted November 12, 2012 8:25 pm 


Anonymous

I mean I feel like the Heavyweight should always be the biggest guys…

Posted November 12, 2012 7:28 pm 


Anonymous

What about super cruiserweight….200-225

Posted November 12, 2012 7:26 pm 


Joliet Jake

Are there people actually claiming Vitali is afraid of David Haye? They signed the fight years ago and were already doing promotion when Haye pulled out. After his performance against Wlad, Haye(who is a very talented fighter) should have to fight the likes of Arreola, Price, or Helenius to even get a shot. He disgraced himself.

Posted November 12, 2012 7:03 pm 


TARK

Sred….., Nobody thinks Haye, Byrd, Chagaev, Brock, Peter, Chambers, and Ibragimov could have beaten Vitali.. Vitali would have disposed of them faster than Wladimir did. The best way to judge fighters is how they did against common opponents if they have any. In the case of the Klitschko’s: Peter, Sanders, Puritty, and Byrd.. Vitali destroyed and stopped 3 fighters who knocked Wladimir down 8 times and knocked him out twice. Wladimir and his father both say that Vitali is the natural fighter among the Klitschko’s with instinctive moves and cunning that were never intuitive for Wladimir. Bigger, taller, and physically tougher Vitali had innate qualities that Wladimir picked up only after many years of dedicated training, fighting, and coaching under Manny Steward.

Posted November 12, 2012 6:47 pm 


Vince

What are you all getting so heatedaboysunkindaohhhh? People differ in opinions. In my opinion Father John Misty wins best album of the year. Best fighter???? Gonna probably go with Canelo. Only one who Floyd might get shocked by. Asay

Posted November 12, 2012 6:43 pm 


tkokick

Maybe a super tall division for guy over 6,5 not a super fat division.

Posted November 12, 2012 6:04 pm 


K=2=Fan

Daly jr. ; Give the thread mill to Uncle Remus ( aka Sredmond ) ,
he seems to be stuck in one place , going nowhere most of the time anyway . Ha- ha- ha !

Posted November 12, 2012 6:03 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, you want to give Vitali a pass for being older and then for him being banged up supposedly from kickboxing but that is not something you can put on a resume.. FACT is that he did NOT achieve ALOT of what Wlad did…How many years has “Ring” had Vitali as #1??? Maybe ONE year after Lewis had retired????? Wlad has been #1 for at LEAST 5 years or more its really no contest… Besides Vitali has beat a number of WEAK fighters I am sorry his resume is slim….

Posted November 12, 2012 5:52 pm 


SREDMOND

Sorry Tark his kickboxing career, retirement and woulda, coulda, shoulda don’t add up to a stronger legacy than Wlad Klitschko who is the consensus best HW in the World for YEARS there is NOT a single rating agency of any repute that does not have Wlad as #1… Beating Sam Peter in isolation is NOT some sort of amazing feat so get that thru your head…Peter was an expired fighter before he had 30 bouts, he WAS Vitalis best win and he was more dominant than Wlad first time out BUT Wlad took his 0…. Wlad has names like Haye, Byrd, Chagaev, Brock, Peter, Chambers, and Ibragimov.. While Vitali was on ice Wlad was cleaning out the division and collecting the straps…. Rocky Marciano NEVER lost and we don’t usually regard him as the best ever…. Vitali has LOST and the reality is that his intagibles don’t demonstrate he is the premier HW of this ERA…

Posted November 12, 2012 5:48 pm 


TARK

I do think Wladimir improved more since his losses than Vitali has improved since his… I’m particularly impressed with Wladimir’s masterful skill, and his hand and foot speed vs Wach. But that’s because Vitali was out of Boxing for 4 years while Wladimir was practicing every day. Wlad’s a lot younger and didn’t have a tough kickboxing career so his legs and feet are better.. But that doesn’t change their history of shared opponents.. Vitali came back from his layoff loaded for bear—went straight after the top heavyweight who knocked his brother down 3 times, and brutalized SP in dominating fashion, making him quit.. Then you have to look at the fact that Vitali has never been knocked down—and has never been behind on points…where those things happened to Wladimir, and to every other Heavyweight Champion who ever lived except Vitali … These unique statistics underline Vitali’s toughness and skill, and his superiority.

Posted November 12, 2012 5:34 pm 


Robot

Author: Personally I think and many agree this fight offered pretty good quality boxing and entertainment. Not sure about “top” quality but certainly good.

Posted November 12, 2012 5:32 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, Vitali beat guys in Sanders and Purrity that were SUPPOSED to be beaten it is not some sort of feather in his cap… Neither man was a World class fighter so lets dispel that notion… Wlads legacy is WAY stronger as it pertains to the fighters he beat relevant to the era… Byrd, Chagaev, Peter 2x (first was tough took his 0)…. Wlad has MORE defenses, MORE belts he has been the “Ring Champion” for years…. You are trying to build Vitali off beating some WEAK fighters that upset Wlad but the sum total of Wlads accomplishments GREATLY trumps Vitalis….As for LOSING to Byrd, reality is that Vitali lost!! This idea that its OK to QUIT is laughable he lost a TON of respect for that night till Lewis….

Posted November 12, 2012 5:21 pm 


TARK

Put it this way…. Sanders knocks out Wladimir… Vitali knocks out Sanders… Purrity stops Wladimir… Vitali stops Purrity… Peter knocks Wladimir down 3 times in one fight… Vitali destroys Peter… That’s 3 for 3 where Vitali smashed heavyweights who gave Wladimir trouble… And I think that outweighs their 3 Byrd fights because they both were beating Byrd by a million miles and it’s only one opponent… One of them suffered an injury in the 2nd round that didn’t allow him to finish the fight, while the other brother was healthy and uninjured and murdered Byrd…. Legitimate loss for Vitali—but mitigating circumstances.

Posted November 12, 2012 5:15 pm 


TARK

….. “Just like putting Vitali below Wlad because of a statement that a guy made about his older brother.” …. That statement puts Vitali ABOVE Wladimir, not below him.

Posted November 12, 2012 5:05 pm 


Goosey

“I’m not that sad as to let a virtual thread like this affect me personally. No, more for the general childish mentality I see here by more posters than I would like.”

It might help if you take a look at yourself and not instanty call a guy from Mexico a “Brit hater” when he says ANYTHING you do not like the sound of RE Kbros, without knowing ANYTHING about the guy… And you are crowing on to us all about childish mentality?”

Posted November 12, 2012 5:04 pm 


SREDMOND

Rubes, don’t let the door hit you on the way out!! :)

Posted November 12, 2012 5:03 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, its fine if they don’t fight but NO ONE is accepting a testimonial as to who would win its unimportant verbally, it would be relevant if they had a professional match… That said others who unified and fought the BEST man of their time deserve more respect for that accomplishment… Just like putting Vitali below Wlad because of a statement that a guy made about his older brother is stupid…. Wlad has more belts, defenses, won more fights and beat more relevant fighters than Vitali…. AGAIN tangible achievements matter more than “He said, She said”.

Posted November 12, 2012 4:59 pm 


SREDMOND

Rubes, you have accused me of the same crap and I take GREAT pride in my viewpoints well received or not… I have NEVER posted under someones name and when others have tried to emulate mine it has been an epic fail…. Goosey is pretty clear on his thoughts and opinions he does NOT pull punches… Why would he need to change his name in order to tell you that you are a tool??

Posted November 12, 2012 4:49 pm 


TARK

Sred…. The TRADITION in professonal boxing is that brothers don’t fight each other—and the Klitschko Bros are in keeping with this tradition with no intention of ever changing it … Heavyweight Champions: Jim Jeffries, Jack Dempsey, Max Baer, Floyd Patterson, Muhammad Ali, and Michael Spinks all had brothers who were professional heavyweight fighters.. Obviously they never fought them, and I’ve never heard of brothers fighting each other in a professional boxing ring.. Vitali said, “I would never sacrifice my brother for glory.” … Wladimir said, “Vitali would win. He’s bigger, stronger, and tougher than me, and we both know it. We don’t have to fight” … It would be seriously stupid if they fought.

Posted November 12, 2012 4:48 pm 


Mr Rubes

I think I will finish posting on this site. Certainly not because I feel “attacked” or anything like that. I’m not that sad as to let a virtual thread like this affect me personally. No, more for the general childish mentality I see here by more posters than I would like. I think I’m bored with it now most of all, so, if this is my last post….it’s been “interesting” guys ;) Take care

Posted November 12, 2012 4:47 pm 


Mr Rubes

Yeah, okay Goosey.

Posted November 12, 2012 4:42 pm 


Mr Rubes

Anyway I’m signing out. ‘Til next time “friends”

Posted November 12, 2012 4:41 pm 


Goosey

Brought on what? you sounding like the Brit hating nationalist we all know you are?

Posted November 12, 2012 4:41 pm 


Mr Rubes

No Goosey, the FACT is that you are uncomfortable that I’m bringing up YOUR actions from the past. Maybe you feel remorse now, who knows. But once again, you couldn’t resist trying to push my buttons while I was away, as you have done so many times before, and so I did EXPOSE your actions once again. I didn’t want to. I didn’t even get a lot of satisfaction from it. But you brought it on Goosey ;)

Posted November 12, 2012 4:30 pm 


Goosey

The FACT is that you are talking crap Rubes.

Posted November 12, 2012 4:26 pm 


Mr Rubes

Goosey, I can tell you two things with certainty. Now whether you are blatantly LYING or simply the old age is starting to affect your memory, but two things I am more than sure of. 1. You posted MORE than on link on this particular thread, at least 3. And 2. You NEVER said Serbia started the war, it was BECAUSE you were blaming Germany for starting it, which it why it blew up in the first place.

Posted November 12, 2012 4:26 pm 


Mr Rubes

No Sredmond. The FACT that a few days ago I was having this heated argument with “Daly jr”, quite identical to the ones I had with Goosey, but this time the poster called himself “Daly jr” I thought initially it was only a coincidence. But then Daly says we had a “few such arguments” before, yet that was the FIRST time I ever have had such an argument with someone by that name. I asked Daly had they changed their name before. I got no response. No here I see both posters. ANYONE with some kind of intelligence would add 2 + 2. That is NOT being paranoid, that is being LOGICAL

Posted November 12, 2012 4:23 pm 


Boxtradamus

Wlad WON just as I predicted!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!

Posted November 12, 2012 4:22 pm 


Goosey

Or do I also name change to Neil (Pomie) too Rubes?

Posted November 12, 2012 4:22 pm 


Goosey

Mr Rubes…”No, I don’t have the photo memory of someone with autism but I DO remember you posted AT LEAST 3 different links on the subject. Again, on a BOXING site.”

No I never.. I posted one link about ancient Sumerian warfare, that was after you ranted on about the British empire and called me a “nationalistic pig.” I never mentioned Germany at all. Then BEARS came on here crowing on about how the Brits should have been slaughtered at Dunkirk and changed his name to BEARS “Hail Victory Baby!” .. I remember it better than you do Rubes.. If Neil (Pomie) turns up here I bet he will remember it better than you too..

Posted November 12, 2012 4:21 pm 


SREDMOND

Rubes, I have noticed that you are VERY paranoid and forever accusing someone of being ANOTHER poster… Goosey and “Daly Jr” are distinctly different posters in content, wit and tone… Whenever more than one person disagrees with you, its a default play of yours to pretend they are someone else….Its a silly and betrays a deep insecurity about being derided…

Posted November 12, 2012 4:19 pm 


Goosey

PEEJ

“Definitely no need. All that will do is have even fatter heavies around cause they will want to be in the super heavy division..” Yup. That was the first thing I thought too.. You can see that happening from a mile away.

Posted November 12, 2012 4:06 pm 


Goosey

Now Rubes thinks I am name switching? lol.

Posted November 12, 2012 4:05 pm 


Daly jr

once again you call me an idiot, like u kept calling me the other day. Yet you have proven to be the one with memory problems if Gooseys word is anything to go by. Plus our own conversation the other day showed how you ASUME alot! Just like you ASUMED Oscar was a brit just because he said Lewis is my popular than the Klitz bros. You jumped on him calling him names, now your tryin to put your tongue in his crack!

Posted November 12, 2012 4:04 pm 


PEEJ

Definitely no need. All that will do is have even fatter heavies around cause they will want to be in the super heavy division

Posted November 12, 2012 4:04 pm 


Goosey

Mr Rubes..”One VERY SAD fact that Goose let slip is that he actually SAVES these threads on a harddrive so he can “co back to them” You see…I wasn’t lying when I said a certain proud british pensioner had not a life.”

I said I copy and paste some threads to notepad (it only takes a few seconds and two clicks of a mouse) so I could read the comments when I had to go offline, when my wife to use the internet on her computer. I did the same with the articles on ESB too. That was when I had a speedtouch 330 modem and a none wireless setup. Yet because I did that you say I am a “british pensioner with no life.” .. You just cannot help having a go at Brits can you Rubes.. LOL.

Posted November 12, 2012 4:04 pm 


Mr Rubes

“NAME-SWITCHING” ahahahahhaha !!! :P

Posted November 12, 2012 4:04 pm 


Mr Rubes

So Goose, thanks for that. I knew I would expose you, because you are that predictable and easy. But I must admit, even I didn’t think I would be exposing you for the name switching nationalistic idiot you really are. WOW ;) Until next time ;)

Posted November 12, 2012 4:03 pm 


Mr Rubes

Goose asking “ESB WHATS THE PROBLEM? LOL :P

Posted November 12, 2012 4:01 pm 


Mr Rubes

Goosey aka Daly jy says “Rubes i think i may have had a few conversations with Goosey in the past, ?? So no, no i aint Goosey” Well I KNOW I haven’t had conversations with you in the past other than the thread in question were you let SLIP that we apparently had a “few” unpleasant conversations in the past. And I’m sure we did, but it wasn’t under that “Daly jr” name, you idiot.

Posted November 12, 2012 4:00 pm 


Daly jr

ESB WHATS THE PROBLEM?

Posted November 12, 2012 3:58 pm 


Mr Rubes

And Oscar, we actually have “nice threads” on this site too, just so you know ;) Have you been following boxing for a long time?

Posted November 12, 2012 3:57 pm 


Mr Rubes

Dy the way “Daly jr” I will ONLY be referrying to you as Goosey from now on ;)

Posted November 12, 2012 3:54 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark says “tradition is important” EXCEPT when deductions are made for the Klits not facing eachother and attempting a true HW summit meeting… While their reason might be sound in the eyes of most it still positions them below others who had to fight the NEXT best guy in their division or serious beltholder…. Remember you said that Tark “Tradition is important and thats NOT a discussion of family)

Posted November 12, 2012 3:54 pm 


Mr Rubes

Goosey = Daly jr. I mean I know he was a sad case. But name switching and pretending he is another identity….hahah, I hold very little hope for you Goose. I just feel sorry for you kids

Posted November 12, 2012 3:54 pm 


Daly jr

Rubes i think i may have had a few conversations with Goosey in the past, ?? So no, no i aint Goosey

Posted November 12, 2012 3:53 pm 


Daly jr

Rubee dont make me lower the tone

Posted November 12, 2012 3:52 pm 


Mr Rubes

So Hello Goosey aka Daly jr. Daly jr being Goosey’s more aggresiv vocal alter ego. Goosey, you are one SAD SAD excuse for a pensioner, you DO relise that I’m sure? ;)

Posted November 12, 2012 3:51 pm 


Oscar

Daly jr you are one random dude! Funny…….. but random

Posted November 12, 2012 3:50 pm 


Mr Rubes

I would not at all be surprised if Daly jy and Goosey are the same. In fact all signs point you are, hey Goose! Why not post that link you quoted me as saying?? ;) Daly jr, and I NEVER came across the name before until the other day CLAIMED we had many altercations before. When he/you said this I though to myself “the only one I can think of is Goosey who I had issues with” I asked Daly jr had you ever changed your name before, I didn’t get a response. NOW BOTH Goose and Daly jr, Daly being a man who SAID that me and him had previous altercations but me never seeing his name before.

Posted November 12, 2012 3:50 pm 


Daly jr

does anyone want a manual treadmill? Im throwing it out if no-one wants it?

Posted November 12, 2012 3:47 pm 


TARK

Pulev had an easy time beating Ustinov.. That was a 56 pound disparity in favor of Ustinov, 250 vs 306. The cruiserweight division was instituted less than a generation ago and it’s working. If it’s warranted a “middle heavyweight” division can be added around year 2040 with the demarcation around 230 pounds. It’s not needed at the moment, but athletes in all sports are getting bigger, stronger, and faster with each generation so some adjustments eventually need to be made. When the change is made, keep the Heavyweight Division the highest weight division—as has been traditionally the case throughout Boxing history … Tradition is important.

Posted November 12, 2012 3:47 pm 


Mr Rubes

One VERY SAD fact that Goose let slip is that he actually SAVES these threads on a harddrive so he can “co back to them” You see…I wasn’t lying when I said a certain proud british pensioner had not a life. ;) So Goose, seing as you ADMIT you save the threads, post the link were you maintain that you said Serbia started the war, and I maintain you blamed Germany for starting. Let’s find out who the liar is Goose? :)

Posted November 12, 2012 3:46 pm 


Daly jr

Lol, it seems tis not just i who wants a piece of your lil nazi bhind lol

Posted November 12, 2012 3:46 pm 


Mr Rubes

Daly jr being that idiot in question, the man who fantasises about my ass. I haven’t been bad Daly jr, thanks ;) You understand though that I will be solely concentrating on Goose for now ;)

Posted November 12, 2012 3:44 pm 


Daly jr

rasclart rubes. How you been? looooool

Posted November 12, 2012 3:42 pm 


Don’t Leave a Reply

… Light Heavy, Cruiser, Super Crusier, Heavy, Super Heavy.

Posted November 12, 2012 3:41 pm 


Mr Rubes

Goosey posts Mr Rubes..”I remember this clearly, and always will. You said the OPPOSITE Goosey, that GERMANY had started the war.”

No I never.. I never mentioned Germany at all.. I said WW1 started when Franz Ferdinand got assassinated and then Austria-Hungary invaded Serbia as a result. Your memory stinks.. More BS. And this really gets me annoyed because of how much a blatant LIE it is. I remember some idiot out of no where posts “Germany started both world wars” I said that wasn’t the case for the first war and then YOU, Goose, come in to prove me wrong! And it was from here you started attempting to give me a history lesson. That was sickening, you were not even part of the debate but felt compelled to make it your business.

Posted November 12, 2012 3:40 pm 


Hank

Couldn’t agree more. The time has come for a Super-heavyweight division.
I would much rather see an Adamek-Haye tilt than the KO bro’s punching out another large, soft, giant with little to no substance.
Bring on the SHW division so ‘regular’ HW’s in the 215 range have a chance to compete and entertain.

Posted November 12, 2012 3:40 pm 


SREDMOND

Goosey, bashing in Rubes head with facts, some things will thankfully never change on ESB :)

Posted November 12, 2012 3:34 pm 


Mr Rubes

here is is ;)

Posted November 12, 2012 3:32 pm 


Mr Rubes

Oscar, I know there are people out there like the one you are describing in work. And maybe I am such a guy! With Sredmond, we have two totally different views, so we debate. Thankfully it is not as “heated” as it used to be. meh is just an annoying little poster in my eyes who actually never contributes anything of substance. But Goosey…that is different, based on “some” the reasons below. There are others. But I honestly don’t like dragging it to such levels. I will wait to see how Goosey responds, if he wants to drag it down, I will follow him down there. But I’m always willing and wanting to keep it classy. So I will wait for his response first. The worst I believe I ever reduce myself to is saying “brit”, which perhaps is bad. But you also hear “kraut” and “yank” thrown too. I don’t think it’s such a sin. Anyway, welcome aboard Oscar :)

Posted November 12, 2012 3:32 pm 


Goosey

Mr Rubes..”I remember this clearly, and always will. You said the OPPOSITE Goosey, that GERMANY had started the war.”

No I never.. I never mentioned Germany at all.. I said WW1 started when Franz Ferdinand got assassinated and then Austria-Hungary invaded Serbia as a result. Your memory stinks.

Posted November 12, 2012 3:30 pm 


Goosey

Mr Rubes…”It was a question to Goosey because at the time he was bashing everything German that relates to boxing.”

No I didn’t. I said Benn would have beaten Otkke and you got the “Boo” on and said I felt inferior to the German nation..

Posted November 12, 2012 3:30 pm 


Goosey

Mr Rubes…”I do enjoy exposing NATIONALISTIC people like you.”

Well you suck at it Rubes. You just called Oscar from Mexico, a “Brit posting with a pro-Lewis post,” and a “British hater.” Then went on about “Queen Haye.” All Oscar had said was “I think the K brothers rank along side the best ever” and “In terms of popularity, they cannot compete with the likes of Ali, Tyson, and Lewis.” Yet you jump the gun yet again with your usual brand of Brit hating nationalistic crap.

Posted November 12, 2012 3:29 pm 


It’s me, Ernie

Some douchenozzle wrote: “They’re beating guys who are bigger, smaller, and in between”. LMAO!, One time one of the them fight someone inexperienced, but taller by 1.5″, and now they are giant killers.

Posted November 12, 2012 3:24 pm 


Oscar

Mr Rubes, you remind me of a guy in my work place. He has fallen out with 6 or 7 other people in the building, but he thinks its everyone elses fault. I have been on this site for a couple of days now and i have whitnessed you argue with Goosey, meh, SREDMOND, and you had a pop at me and called me a brit, lol! Thats just in this thread. This is my advice, take it or leave it ………. Dust the chip off your shoulder!

Posted November 12, 2012 3:17 pm 


SREDMOND

Psy, like I said I don’t see a plethora of skills coming from Vitali, his defense largely consists of him being able to pull himself out of range because due to his size his opponents have to reach in order to give themselves a shot to make contact… His punch variety largely consists of jab, jab right hand at least Wlad will throw us a left hook or two.. No one can deny that Vitali has been largely successful against the caliber of opponents he has faced but when he was in with another BIG fighter who had serious World Class skills we found out he was a bleeder….

Posted November 12, 2012 3:15 pm 


NBK

Has the time has come…?

Posted November 12, 2012 3:14 pm 


KL

Nope, it wouldn’t work Rob.
The whole attraction of the “Heavyweight Champion of the World”……….is that they hold the title/s of the best boxer on the planet……….and in order to become the best boxer on the planet you have to beat the best boxer on the planet.
If you create a new “Super” division………you would get a “Heavyweight Champion of the World”………who might not be the best………..and there would also be the nagging question……….could the “heavyweight champion” beat the “super heavyweight champion”.
Created a new “Super” division would not only demote the highly & historically coveted “Heavyweght champion” status………but you would create more problems than you would solve.

Posted November 12, 2012 2:58 pm 


Anonymous

He did look amazing–he did a fine job of negating Wach’s speed, which really is normally there against other fighters. We saw a quick burst of his speed at the end of round five, but like I said Wlad looked great.

Posted November 12, 2012 2:57 pm 


Anonymous

Actually Booby Czyz fought for somethingn called a junior heavy title in the 90’s it was 210lbs and it weren’t a cruiser title.

Posted November 12, 2012 2:54 pm 


sweetscience7

Yes, but it probably won’t happen because of money and politics, the hvw division as it is is the division of Louis, Marciano, Ali, Tyson, Lewis, etc the marqee division of boxing, people will try to keep it the way it is. But really guys like Haye weighing just over 200 lbs should not be fighting Valuevs weighing 300 lbs, Haye did fine but think about it in other situations, journeymen and club fighters having to fight with that kind of size disparity, it is dangerous and I think as has been proven again and again does not make for entertaining fights.

On Saturday Wlad looked amazing and you know why? For once he was fighting someone with a height advantage over him, which meant he needed more than just jab and grab, he had to land rights and lefts to get Wachs respect and show his usual exemplary footwork. What would have been even better is if Wach was as talented/experienced to land more than the one shot that hurt Wlad, take him into deep waters, with smaller fighters the possiblity of this is so low with jab and grab.

It would make for more fair and entertaining fights, so i’m all for it.

Posted November 12, 2012 2:53 pm 


Anonymous

They already have a superheavyweight division–it’s called the Heavyweight division! Just bump the Cruiser’s up from 200 to 220–they’ve already been bumped up from 190 or 195 to 200lbs once in their history.

Posted November 12, 2012 2:52 pm 


Goosey

Lol Rubes I am here.. I too am allowed to be away from the keyboard.. Now let me read what you are blabbering about this it.. Back soon lol.

Posted November 12, 2012 2:48 pm 


Mr Rubes

Well the Goose is obviously no where to be seen now, how convenient. Don’t worry Goose, I’m not going any where ;) I will sign out now for a bit though because I actually have a life and interacting with non-entities like you is just one little way I use to pass the time when I have the time on my hands. Will be back after, hopefully by then you will have manned up for a change, and responded. ‘Til later Goose ;)

Posted November 12, 2012 2:31 pm 


Mr Rubes

Psy I don’t know what “unhinged” is to be honest, but I’m glad I’m entertaining at least someone ;)

Posted November 12, 2012 2:24 pm 


Mr Rubes

Goose likes to come here and pretend he is totally classy and respectful, but I have been on here too long now to see it is otherwise. And it’s not just with me. But with me I don’t let Goose away with it, others often do. As one can see even on this thread though, Goose simply couldn’t let go, could he?? 5-6 posts AFTER I left he was still talking about me, beginning with the “How strange that whenever Rubes makes an arse of himself, as he just did with Oscar here, he always has to “sign off” for a while… Lol.” No Goosey, this is hardly NEVER the case, as people know I will see a debate out to the end, because again, I am a man of honour I like to think, the opposite of you. Then this pensioner with the mental age of 15 goes on to his friend “SREDMOND.. Can you remember when Rubes said to me…and so on” And he keeps it up. Why Goose? Are you a sadist? Because I thought history would have thought you that EACH time you attempt to push my buttons, I GLADLY cooperate and proceed to EXPOSE you for the two face immature classless creature that you are. But hey! If you get pleasure of being exposed, then continue on you sad irritated little nationalist. ;)

Posted November 12, 2012 2:22 pm 


SlavikD

NO!!!!!

Posted November 12, 2012 2:22 pm 


psy

@ SREDMOND – If Vitali were 6″ 3 he would most likely fight in a very different fashion. So to say he would be C level if he were that height is a stretch at best.
@Rubes – You are unhinged, and its very entertaining.

Posted November 12, 2012 2:20 pm 


Mr Rubes

Now another sickening feature of Goose. At one stage Goosey revealed where he lives, then gave out the names of ALL his sons AND what they work at. Trying to impress me I’m sure, the insecure pensioner. That is a total breach of trust in my eyes, and if I thought my own father would disrespect me in such a way and give out my details to complete strangers, I would be rightfully shocked. I’m not a father myself, in a few years hopefully I will be, but when that day comes I will show my children a lot more respect and maintain their identity, because I am not made of the same stuff Goose obviously is, thanks God.

Posted November 12, 2012 2:15 pm 


Mr Rubes

First of all Juanma, yes I did say something like that once. It was a question to Goosey because at the time he was bashing everything German that relates to boxing, and was so ignorant with his views as “proof” why Germany is so obviously corrupt, that I only deduced he had an inferiority complex, so I asked him. Now…over to Goose… first LIE of the thread, you NEVER said “The best one Rubes came out with was trying to sell me as a German hating nationalist.. Because I pointed out Serbia started WW1″ I remember this clearly, and always will. You said the OPPOSITE Goosey, that GERMANY had started the war, I disagreed, and what does this nationalist actually do? He posts link after link of “evidence” and “proof” that Germany started it. On a BOXING site. Goosey INITIATED this, I was appalled, as were most people. Now I see he is back tracking…how convenient you nationalist. So that is LIE 1 from Goosey.

Posted November 12, 2012 2:11 pm 


brent

NO!!!!!!

Posted November 12, 2012 2:05 pm 


Mr Rubes

While I do sometimes say things that I know will make more sensitive people feel awkward, one thing any honest person would comment about me is that I’m ALWAYS honest and upfront. And I will never lie to cover myself, when I have been proven I’m in the wrong, I own up and apologise

Posted November 12, 2012 2:05 pm 


Mr Rubes

I have a bit more time to use here. I see Goosey, you are doing what you do best- UNABLE to help yourself, trying to bait me in. Well guess what, with YOU I often make the exception and EXPOSE you because I do enjoy exposing NATIONALISTIC people like you. I didn’t want to here and I wasn’t going to, but since I’ve signed out every one of your posts have been about me. So of course I will need to defend my honour won’t I? and expose you in the meantime you bitter little man ;)

Posted November 12, 2012 2:03 pm 


largo

no

Posted November 12, 2012 1:43 pm 


sal.o

NO !!! no more new divisions ,,,sooner or later, a good 220 lbs fighter will come along and set the heavy weight division straight ,, I know there are giants fighting now ,,If they put in a new super heavy weight division ,the regular heavy weight division will lose its luster …

Posted November 12, 2012 1:40 pm 


Goosey

Oscar.. In just that one post to you Rubes has included “If ever I was sure of a Brit posting then you are it with your pro-Lewis post.” ..”you are a British hater” and “Queen Haye was so comprehensively EXPOSED by Wlad.” He cannot help it.. Then when he realises he has just made an idiot of himself he always has to “sign off” for a while..

Juanma… Rubes will go nuts if he reads that… The best one Rubes came out with was trying to sell me as a German hating nationalist.. Because I pointed out Serbia started WW1… LOL.

Posted November 12, 2012 1:29 pm 


Matador

Rob Moore: “The heavyweight champion of the world is not American. If only he could be a short guy like Deontay Wilde….what’s that you say? Wilder is 6’7? Oh, never mind, I’m a biased idiot after all who’s just sore that the heavyweight division isn’t owned by Americans. In addition…whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine…..

Posted November 12, 2012 1:25 pm 


Juanma

Did rubes realy say that? Surely Germans should feel inferior to Brits and Americans, Russians etc considering the germans lost 2 wars no??

Posted November 12, 2012 1:21 pm 


SREDMOND

Anonymous comment below is mine SREDMOND

Posted November 12, 2012 1:21 pm 


Oscar

Is the ‘anonymous’ comment between Gooseys 2 comments Mr Rubes by chance? lol

Posted November 12, 2012 1:19 pm 


Anonymous

That is an opinion and despite what you say about the Klits you cannot make a sound argument for the BEST of their foes… This ERA has not produced a single HOF level boxer BESIDES the Klits… I know, I know you will say because Wlad and Vitali kept them all in check… Well remember the Klits turned pro in 96 so we have to deduce that Lewis, Tyson, Bowe and Holy kept the Klits marginalized, while other greats were around they could not do better than the WBO belt and Wlad was getting stopped on average every 15 bouts for the first 45 fights of his career…. What was Vitali doing in 2000??? Ohhhh he was quitting against Byrd… If the Klits signal the arrival of the HW division then why did it take them so long and so many retirements to step up and seize the reigns??? Why the hell could Vitali not depose and OLD Lewis and put the world on notice that he was the man thru the ring???? Ahhhhh I know he needed a tourney instead of a title shot.. LOL

Posted November 12, 2012 1:16 pm 


Goosey

SREDMOND.. Can you remember when Rubes said to me “Goosey you are British and feel inferior to the German Nation.” But of course he never meant to be nationalistic.. Lol..

Posted November 12, 2012 1:12 pm 


Anonymous

How about a Klitschko division and then all the others -I ‘m american but with enough of a brain not to complain, but to appriciate superior athletecism, dedication and the respect for boxing fans that both Klistchkos have. I think they are the best ever in boxing,and no other boxers (past or present) have nothing more than a fateful chance to land a lucky punch against them. This author lives in the past – I did the same until the Klitschkos arrived,and it took me ten years to realize that these two boxers are the best as models for generations to come. Appreciate ,enjoy and pray for them to stay as long as they can because no one can even come close.

Posted November 12, 2012 1:10 pm 


Goosey

How strange that whenever Rubes makes an arse of himself, as he just did with Oscar here, he always has to “sign off” for a while… Lol.

Posted November 12, 2012 1:08 pm 


SREDMOND

Rubes, you are seriously a hypocrite you constantly BASH the British you have tried to hit Goosey over the head with his nationality for the better part of a year…Its impossible for you to sell yourself as unbiased and without nationalistic agenda… The common refrain of all bigots and nationalists when they make an off color comment or reference information that is not necessary to make a point is “I did not mean anything by that”….. Then why say it??? In your case over and over…. What does Goose being British have to do with anything??

Posted November 12, 2012 1:08 pm 


Juanma

Rubes you clearly do have a problem with brits and americans. Why dont you find yourself a nice german speaking site…………

Posted November 12, 2012 1:08 pm 


Goosey

Rubes.. I guess thats why instead of saying “Lewis is a coward.” you say “Lewis the cowardly BRIT.” ;)

Posted November 12, 2012 1:06 pm 


Mr Rubes

Guys, I need to sign off here, but I will be back after. But for the record, I don’t have anything against British people, but against Biased ignorant people, I certainly do. And on this site, and other forums, english speaking, unsurprisingly, many such people ARE British.

Posted November 12, 2012 1:03 pm 


SREDMOND

Decker, Mormeck gets brought up because he is one of Wlads most recent opponents and he was a TERRIBLE widely panned pick… Why is that?? Ummmmm because he was knocked out by Haye at Crusier, because he was 40 years old, because he was inactive for around 2 years and because he never looked good at HW… Let me know when I was inaccurate or unfair??? Did I EVER say he was NOT over 200 pounds??? you contradict yourself because one of your dismissals of past Greats is that they were NOT SHW’s that said either you respect their accomplisments which predate the Klits or you don’t?? But morphing your stance to position Mormeck as a worthy foe is WEAK…

Posted November 12, 2012 1:01 pm 


Goosey

The first words Rubes said to me on this website was “Hey Brit!” when I said something he never liked.. Some things never change…

Posted November 12, 2012 12:58 pm 


Oscar

Tyson will be very popular because as i said he is one of the 2 biggest names ever in boxing, also he is still in the public eye with his appearances in ads and in movies. bless

Posted November 12, 2012 12:57 pm 


Goosey

Mr Rubes, moaning about Brits again. Gee I never expected that…

Posted November 12, 2012 12:56 pm 


Oscar

Mr Rubes, i am Mexican bro. I speak on my own experiences of the general public. Im not looking for a war of words, i am just telling you what i get told, and what i see. Im no Klitschko hater, they are the best of the CURRENT crop, whats the problem? Incase you hav not noticed, The klitchskos are CURRENT HW world champs, whereas Lewis has long retired, and was not even fighting when facebook or any social media website was invented. So hardly a fair comparisson.

Posted November 12, 2012 12:55 pm 


Mr Rubes

meh, I won’t be responding to you just to inform you. Other than to say that Tyson also retired around this time but currently has just under 2.5 million fans. If Lewis is so popular, than his offical page, in which he personally interacts with is there. As for your other post about viewing figures, I have no clue what you are talking about, or am I even interested in wanting to find out.

Posted November 12, 2012 12:54 pm 


Mr Rubes

Sred, Vitali is 6’7″, again another attempt to drag Vitali down by you. “” 6’8″ “”” is only why Vitali is so good according to Sredmond. Looks can be deceiving to an untrained and inexperienced eye, and your eyes Sredmond clearly suffer on both counts.

Posted November 12, 2012 12:46 pm 


Mr Rubes

Oscar hahaha that’s funny!! If ever I was sure of a Brit posting then you are it with your pro-Lewis post. So the Klitschkos cannot “compete” with Lewis in terms of popularity?? HAHAHAHAHAH!! I would eat my left hand right here if Lewis was even half as remotely popular as the Klitschkos currently are. Did you know that by the end of the year the “official” fan “facebook” page of the Klitschkos will likely be up to one million? And what of the current “official” Lennox Lewis fan page? Is it passed 50 thousand yet even? Oscar says “Unfortunately for the Klitz, they have a boring style (allbeit effective) that will never launch them into the hearts and homes of the general public” Oh? And Lennox Lewis was Tyson and Jack Dempsey combined in terms of style I suppose? No, the Klitschkos will never find a place inside your heart, because you are a British hater who still can’t believe how Queen Haye was so comprehensively EXPOSED by Wlad.

Posted November 12, 2012 12:43 pm 


SREDMOND

Sorry Rubes we differ on Vitali, clearly he is effective but his skills don’t stack well vs Lewis or even Wlad who are far more fluid and improvisational.. What I will say is that Vitali has maximized his assets (height, lean muscle mass) but he often looks cloddish and does not punch with speed and leverage hence his paucity of quick stoppages despite the low quality and lack of size displayed by many of his opponents…. While size is an asset for Wlad and Lewis, I think both would be effective if they have been 6″3…. At 6″3 I see Vitali being a C level fighter…We both KNOW he is actually 6″8 but thats what I see….

Posted November 12, 2012 12:43 pm 


Decker

Sred, why do you bring up Mormeck so often. He was well over 200# when he fought Wlad. Your heros in the 70s (Ali, etc) often fought opponents that were sub 200# or plumbers that were 200+. For example Ali vs Wepner. Most K bro opponents would DESTROY Wepner and most any 2nd tier HW from the “golden era”.

Quit obsessing over the current HW div.

Posted November 12, 2012 12:40 pm 


Anonymous

Author seems he does not know what he’s asking for. Not one more division, boxing organizations would make one each. That would be a terrible situation.

Solution is less categories and less boxing organizations, as some have already suggested.

Posted November 12, 2012 12:36 pm 


Oscar

I think the K brothers rank along side the best ever, but behind the likes of Ali, Lewis, Foreman, Frazier, Louis, and my man Holmes. In terms of popularity, they cannot compete with the likes of Ali, Tyson, and Lewis because thats just how it is. Tyson will always be the baddest man alive. He is a household name throughout the world. As is Ali. Unfortunately for the Klitz, they have a boring style (allbeit effective) that will never launch them into the hearts and homes of the general public. Alot of people in the uk know Vitali as the guy who got slapped before Chisora rumbled with Haye

Posted November 12, 2012 12:29 pm 


SREDMOND

Juanma, ANYONE who is not 100% pro Klitschko is going to be labled by some of these Klit fanatics…If you say that Wach was NOT a legit World Class fighter or that Mormeck was a terrible opponent who was a 40 year old Ex Crusier who had 2 years off before he was predicatbly battered by the BEST HW in the World then you are going to be attacked… They will accept NOTHING less than full compliance with their doctrine and counterarguments are not to be tolerated… Pointing out that Wach was a 15-1 underdog is considered HATE, or even mentioning his slow hands and feet are blasphemy!

Posted November 12, 2012 12:28 pm 


Goosey

K-2-Fan….”Yet another example of fair media coverage “Klitchko “dominates” Wach Klitchko ”outpoints” WacH, BUT ”Helenius ”BEATS” Williams. Way to try and degrade Wlad’s fightboys, Keep trying.”
Official Klitschko website….”WBA/IBF/WBO/IBO and “The Ring Magazine” World Heavyweight Champion Wladimir Klitschko (59-3, 51 KOs) scored a twelve round “unanimous decision” over previously unbeaten Mariusz Wach on Saturday night at the sold out o2 World Arena in Hamburg, Germany.”

I guess the KBros official website is also part of this grand conspiracy that you keep moaning about.. After all, they never used the word “BEATS” either.

Posted November 12, 2012 12:28 pm 


Mr Rubes

Sredmond, this is where either you are showing your bias against Vitali Klitschko again, or are simply not knowledgeable enough in the field. Perhaps both. Vitali and Wlad fight a very different style, unsurprisingly since Vitali came from his kickboxing background and brought the stance, slightly modified now. I would call Wlad and Vitali pretty much Equal in terms of skill, but they do it in different ways. Only concentrating on Vitali, he as mastered the art of distance (a skill) and body position (a skill) so that he is just as hard to hit as his brother. In fact he he HARDER to hit BY FAR than his brother to the body because of his classic angled kickboxing stance, and if he wasn’t so much more aggressive and active than his brother “usually” is (although against Wach, Wlad pushed a lot more aggressively than usual), but if Vitali wasn’t so aggressive minded, I would believe that Vitali would have an even greater defense than Wlad. Which would look deceptive because his hands are so low. Every legend of the ring has a fight were historians claim the he was pretty much unbeatable by his peers that night- Ali against Cleveand Williams, Tyson against Spinks, Lewis against Rahman in the return maybe, and for Vitali, it is his bout with Arreola. The angles he was presenting Arreola with, the combinations to head and body and so on. Listen to the HBO commentators, of Emanuel Steward and so on that night. Adamek famously said it wouldn’t have mattered if Vitali was 5 inches shorter, he was just “that good” in terms of his anticipation of oncoming punches, of distance, of angles and so on. Adamek, who had beaten a few giants going in, and since (Walker is a big man) didn’t land one telling blow on Vitali. Sredmond, you have a lot to learn about identifying skill.

Posted November 12, 2012 12:27 pm 


SREDMOND

Alot of BIG HW’s of today are like the George Mikans of basketball…. Mikan was big for his era but his skills were rudimentary, cloddish and unremarkable…The reason that it is still difficult to find a REALLY talented center today is that most guys who are 7″0 or more lack quickness, athleticism, and finesse…. Those who have these traits coupled with size are stars, those who don’t are big bodies with limitations… The same is true of boxing, most of these HUGE HW’s are not operating at a high skill level… We had guys giving Wach BIG props for landing ONE shot while being too slow and inept to mount any real resistance… Wlad is a superior athlete but upon his and his brothers retirement I think you will quickly find that alot of these oafs are gonna kill eachother off… There is a reason that MANY of the biggest Klit fanatics are violently opposed to the idea of Vitali facing Haye, its because David has the speed and power to negate Klits SIZE..

Posted November 12, 2012 12:11 pm 


SREDMOND

The author raises some interesting points with his thesis but alas HW is an open class and thus it will be what it will be… I do like his point about the poor skills, movement, and nuance of some of these bigger fighters… Pretending that there are a bunch of Wlad clones running around is BS, most of these guys Wach included are just BIG….They are slow, cannot infight, nor do they produce quality combination punching… Wlad and Lewis are the most talented SHW’s, Vitali is more dependent on size he is not even a huge puncher but his ability to be good enough and big enough has rendered most of his foes unable to deal… But from a raw skills perspective he is really NOT that special from what I see…. Guys like Helenius, Dimentrenko and others PALE in comparison to the skills of a Larry Holmes, or even Evander Holyfied…. Reality is that ALOT of you don’t know what a skilled HW looks like anymore or you would not try to oversell the Wachs and Valuevs..

Posted November 12, 2012 11:55 am 


TARK

BP Jones says…, “The Williams sisters play some seriously tedious power tennis which isn’t pleasant on the eye.” ..WTF? Tedious and unpleasant??? Where have they been finishing in the world rankings? I wasn’t aware they’re ruining women’s tennis, are dominant, or don’t play with finesse. If you don’t like them don’t watch them. Don’t hate. The K Bros have navigated the politics of professional Boxing well and don’t need the praises of biased US pundits. They live in the real world and know some jerks are FOS. Vitali is retiring and this will open up the field … They’re not winning because of size. They’re beating guys who are bigger, smaller, and in between.

Posted November 12, 2012 11:54 am 


SVDC

People also seem to forget that, no matter how one-sides the fight was- Wach probably got closer to beating Wlad then anyone since Sam Peter. That 1 big punch at the end of R5 almost flattened Wlad. If a more skilled fighter (Pulev, Povetkin, Price…) lands such a punch, maybe they could follow up and win the fight, who knows. Step it up guys

Posted November 12, 2012 11:51 am 


K-2-Fan

Yet another example of ; ” fair media coverage ” ; ” Klitchko ” dominates ” Wach ” …, ” Klitchko ” outpoints ” Wach “…, BUT ;
” Helenius ” BEATS ” Williams ” …! This after a pretty one sided fight where Wlad hit his 6′ 71/2″ opponent a reported 425 times !
Way to try and degrade Wlad’s fight , boys . Keep trying ….

Posted November 12, 2012 11:46 am 


Decker

Kudos to Bill Patrice Jones comment.

I was easier on the author than many fans posting – although I did raise the possibility of a hidden agenda. I’m a big K bro fan (was of LL too) so good to see comments attacking the authors motive.

Yeah, sadly if Americans don’t dominate some competition they want to stick their heads up their a** or just say that sport isn’t “what it used to be” You know when the US dominated. That just makes US fans look like sore losers and/or delusional.

Posted November 12, 2012 11:41 am 


TARK

I would say NO… Marciano fought mostly light heavyweights in title fights but modern hevyweights are huge in comparison.. The creation of the cruiserweight division—which is the most unpopular division over featherweight—has solved the problem of guys who are too big for light heavyweights and too small for heavyweights.. Because of the bigger money at heavyweight the best cruiserweights move up—and they do capture Heavyweight Championships by beating 7 footers who weigh 335.. Michael Spinks, Michael Moorer, and Roy Jones are the last Light Heavyweight Champs who moved up to capture the Heavyweight Championship, but you are seening quite a few cruiserweights trying to make that jump … When that is no longer happening another division can be created—because it will show that the human body has evolved to a degree that a 220lb man can no longer compete with a 250lb man … Right now this is not the case.

Posted November 12, 2012 11:25 am 


K-2-Fan

Bill Patrrice ; Yours is a most lucid , logical comment on the
subject . Bravo !

Posted November 12, 2012 11:14 am 


cluegiver

So AFTER Klitschko beats a BIGGER guy and proves hes not all about just being bigger than his opponents that’s when YOU the writer decide that a superheavyweight division would be good? Timing is everything. How about mentioning this after he beat someone like Mormeck instead? It doesn’t make any sense to mention it when he proves his size alone doesn’t win fights. I can think of several small guys who could have beaten Wach. How about Helenius vs Chisora(ya hes big in weight but overweight and not that tall so hes a smaller heavyweight by your standards), or Chambers vs Dimitenko? Both fights have proven just RECENTLY that a good smaller fighter can beat a good larger fighter. Or how about Haye vs Valuev? C’mon give us a break. The Klitschko’s are a rare — very rare exception and we don’t need to create another division just because of them or have writers like you mentioning it when in reality the real objective is to take away from the accomplishments of the Klitschkos by acting like its just their ‘unfaiir size advantage’ thats having them win. If anything I think they should bring back 15 round title fights. This would make the bigger guys have to come in really good shape for their size and give smaller heavyweights who are in shape an advantage in that area and I think they should just get rid of the cruiserweight division and add it to the heavyweight. Then you would have all the talent in cruiserweight decidiing if they should lessen weight and go lh or increase and fight at heavyweight. Either way you’d have an increase in the talent pool even if 90% go south to LH. The sanctioning bodies are to blame as well. They didnt used to have so many different belts and politics back in the “golden age’ and thats why alot more exciting fights happened because you didn’t have 20 belts and the general public wondering who was the real champion. You knew who it was even those who didnt watch boxing.

Posted November 12, 2012 11:02 am 


BIG FOOT

I don’t know maybe super middles to 170 LH’s to 185, CW to 210, but no new division.

Posted November 12, 2012 10:57 am 


Hidalgo

“At heavyweight, size alone isn’t the determining factor of domination, skills are. ” Anonymous, how do you figure that? So you’re saying this philosophy applies only to one weight division? How can that be possible? The whole point of having divisions in boxing is to match guys of approximately equal size against each other. Skills or no, size DOES matter and can be the determining factor in a fight. If nothing else the limit of the heavyweight division should be trimmed down so that smaller heavyweights can fight guys their own size. The way the division is structured now, of course you are going to see smaller men fight bigger men–much bigger men. But the smaller fighters have no choice–they can’t fight at lower weights because they are “heavyweights.” Really, the way heavyweight division is structured is just unfair. Just because a Klitschko beat a Valuev–a true giant by human standards, or that Haye beat Chisora, doesn’t qualify the way the current heavyweight division is structured. Boxing needs a super heavyweight division. Period.

Posted November 12, 2012 10:56 am 


Hidalgo

Mr. Moore, I agree with you 100% in regards to the need to create a super heavyweight division. But my main reason for wanting one is not because of lackluster fight, rather what you pointed out several times in your article: Many of the “heavyweights” that are currently fighting truly are giants. And to have a division that has a 200 lb. to unlimited weight restriction is just not in step with the rest of boxing weight divisions. I posted not too long ago that the heavyweight division should be limited to a max of 235 pounds and above that should be the super heavyweight division. But in reality, even a 35 lb. spread is too much as really big guys would be fighting much smaller men. So, I’d also agree with you that 225 lbs. would be the perfect limit for the heavyweight division. Regardless, yeah, a super heavyweight division REALLY needs to be created for all the reasons we have both stated.

Posted November 12, 2012 10:45 am 


Anonymous

Nope, we don’t need another division. At heavyweight, size alone isn’t the determining factor of domination, skills are. If this weren’t the case, the #3, #4, #5, etc., ranked guys would be in descending size. And this clearly isn’t the case. I say you may not enjoy the Klitschko brothers years-long domination, but you have to admit, after watching them apply their craft, they have done so using MUCH more than just their size. The true problem is the lack of talent, and heart (are you reading this David Haye?), in the heavyweight division.

Posted November 12, 2012 10:41 am 


Red Ryan

New up and coming Heavyweights need to get meaner and tougher if they want to mix it with the big boys. Heavys of the past were strong willed tough men, THAT is the problem today. Rob Moore why dont you watch Cruiserweights if you like guys around the 200 lb weight SIMPLE. Your idea is completely stupid. If you wana beat A Klitschko GET BLOODY TOUGH AND FIGHT LIKE YOU WANT IT…. Klitschkos would dominate any era because of their skills and strong minds, not everyone their size has their skills, very rare to see, enjoy while they are around………

Posted November 12, 2012 10:29 am 


Decker

“you’re no seeing the results”
s/b
you’re seeing the results…

Posted November 12, 2012 10:17 am 


Ike

Just what boxing needs: Another division and another 7 or 8 belts. No thanks.

Posted November 12, 2012 10:17 am 


adrian

hahahahahahahahahahahahahah…….what???? my god here we go with politics ..if we create a new superhaveyweight devision how would we call jack johnson a superhaveyweight champion or a haveyweight champion because you fail to mention him who was agiant for his time and fought midgets just like primo carnera did…i know all of this is to try and wipe the klitchkos from the history books and not mix them with the old time greats by creating a new devision so than later in history we aould call them”fraks and slow giants who smaller guys would blown them if they ever fought!!!
and what stops you for watching the cruserweights?? they exist and you can watch them now because they would be the same guys who would fight at that “new devision “you are talking about…stop the nonesense

Posted November 12, 2012 10:01 am 


Decker

The author makes some good points. However the reason the “HW” fights of the past seemed more exciting was you were mainly watching what today would be CW or small HW. If you go back to the 50s/60s most HWs were *below* 200#. By the 70s the typical top HW was just over 200#.

With the opening up of Eastern Europe and the fact that there are more skilled, athletic fighters in the 240+ range, you’re no seeing the results. A skilled 210# HW has little chance vs a skilled 240+# HW.

Isn’t one of the oldest boxing adage’s “good big beats good smaller”.
That’s why they have weight divisions.

I’d like to ask the author – since you found the HW div. better when they were smaller (assuming you don’t have a hidden agenda), did you like watching MWs, WWs, or LWs even more? After all they’re typically faster w/more punch output. No? Well then it seems you want to stay in an era of ~200# top HWs. Well that era has come and gone.

In this era maybe you’re just a CW, smaller HW (under 225#) fan more than a SHW fan !

Posted November 12, 2012 10:01 am 


Unbiased Dane

Come on !!! the brothers has been around for 16 years and they have always said they wont fight each other so case is closed long time ago. move on. I agree with Rubes this weight thing is just a way to criticize the Klitscko´s or making a problem out of their brilliance, and it isnt the first time it has been suggested.
Also i dont agree with the claim that there is a problem with fat hw´s, there will alway´s be some with poor discipline, but keep in mind In the 70´s Ali the ‘greatest’ was at times a bit chubby.

Posted November 12, 2012 9:53 am 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

I disagree with the writer. There must not be yet another weight class.

Posted November 12, 2012 9:48 am 


KO KIDD

No way…Remember how most cruiserweights move up for money, well if they do heavy and super heavy what do you think will happen.. Heavy will basically be a launch pad to move up to super heavy to make the big bucks. There is an aura about being the champion at the biggest weight class..These guys wont stick around to rule a secondary domain

Posted November 12, 2012 9:43 am 


Bill Patrice Jones

Aamerican sportscasters are just flat out complete hypocrits and liars when it comes to the Klitschko brothers and entertainment. They happily broadcast their fights for years, and constantly harked on about how amazing Wladimir was, and how he was the future of the division. They did this before it was clear just how dominant he would become. I mean America happily sold title fights to us like Rahman Toney or Ruiz Toey or Byrd Mccline oetc etc all calling them great heavyweight fights, but now apparently they are above showing a Klitschko fight?? I would much rather watch a dominant Wladimir defence than Rahman Vs Toney for christsake. Until someone has any kind of solid argument against the fact that if Wlad was American he would be the bigest thing since Ali, maybe superseding him, until that argument surfaces all these articles are meaningless. I never hear Americans complaining about the Williams sisters and my god they play some seriously tedious power tennis which isn’t pleasant on the eye. I guarantee you if the Williams sisters were two muscular Ukranians who changed and dominated the sport like that then America would be up in arms protesting that they are ‘killing the sport, and robbing it of the entertainment value’.

Posted November 12, 2012 9:43 am 


wearerofallthebelts

This type of thinking is what is wrong with boxing in the first place. A new division would only create another crappy division.

Posted November 12, 2012 9:32 am 


Leif

In a word: no. The Heavyweight division is devoid of depth, splinter it and you very simply aggravate the problem two-fold – on top of which you’d have heavyweights moving to super heavyweight whether they were big enough or not – just like Cruiser-weights do with the current system.

Posted November 12, 2012 9:30 am 


aj1575

A new weight divison won’t change much. First, there are too many divisions already, a new division would only mean another weak division. Todays CruiserWeight fights might be more interesting to watch than the HW, but who cares, it is not the top division. This is the reason why guys like Haye, Adamek, Cunningham and Huck like to move up. On the other hand, there are many HW who are simply too fat; even Pulev comes in a bit heavy for his 1.94m, and Povetkin is also on the heavy side, let’s not talk about Arreola or Solis.
I see the problem somewhere else. The wrong guys are fighting each other; almost all fighters today are protected to well. Managers try to navigate them to a title challenge with as little risk as possible, this way many fights are easy to predict. The sanctioning bodies do not help here, somehow, they have no real interest in tournaments to determine the mandatories.
It also does not make a difference if the Klitschkos beat a 205 or a 250 pound HW, the outcome seems to be the same, and it is also not more and not less interesting when they do so.

Posted November 12, 2012 9:19 am 


Mr Rubes

Author says “I used to believe that a good 200 pound guy was big enough powerful enough to compete with anyone” Well, that is still and always has been the case. Just quickly off my head 205 pound Eddie Chambers schooling Dimitrenko, Ibragomov 6’2″ beating Lance Whitiker 6’8″, Chagaev 5’11” beating 7′ 2″ Valuev, Peter beating 7′ Long. Some other examples, though not as conclusive, Haye beating Valuev, Byrd “beating” Vitali. What about Adamek beating the likes of McBride or Grant? I could go on and on. These examples just all off my head. This article is another heavyweight/Klitschko critical article, nothing more. I wonder would the author have felt compelled to write up this article if Wlad lost on Saturday? Of course not.

Posted November 12, 2012 9:16 am 


huckster

Hands down . . . Wlad-Vitali . . . Go with Vitali.

Posted November 12, 2012 9:06 am 


huckster

It is a sport not a war, and they chose their sport. It is a sport which lately is defined around two brothers knocking out tomatoes. Too many have swallowed mediocrity to defend two champs who have made a mess of defending their belts, encouraged other champ in this division to follow the same lines and blame everyone else for the divisions problems. Yes, they should have fought each other some couple years ago, get over it and have a beer. In their case, a glass of champagne.

Posted November 12, 2012 9:05 am 


Drago

“The Klitschko brothers weight in fit at around 245 pounds. They are undoubtedly phenomenal athletes and developed a style that has made them pretty much unbeatable. The question is – is it exciting? ” We could start adding spikes to the gloves or set the ropes on fire, maybe hang the loser. We just wanna some more drama and blood, right?

Posted November 12, 2012 8:56 am 


Drago

Everyone is ducking everyone and you really wanna force two brothers to fight?

Posted November 12, 2012 8:52 am 


smitti

I watched this fight for about 3 rounds. Once again – like most Wlad fights – It bored the hell out of me. It was like watching the David Haye – Klitschko fight again, a drunken father (wlad) teach his son (wach) how to box the hard way. Where did Wach get his record from? it looked like it was his first time in the ring!!

Posted November 12, 2012 8:52 am 


huckster

The two brothers should fight and then you have a champ. Write an article on that and explain why that is half the problem with the division.

Posted November 12, 2012 8:49 am 


Anonymous

If America had Wladimar as the champion this kind of article would not exist imo. Lets just say Wladimar was a american and his name was was Tommie Williams. He would be a God here just like he is in Germany. America lost the title and cant get it back. Was “rope a dope” really exicting? The guy that wrote this should stick to watching light heavies on down where the weights are controlled. Your old heavys couldnt stand a chance against Wladimar either not matter how many praising articles get written and how much criticism is placed on current undisputed champ. Rewatch saturdays fight with eyes on Wlad as if you loved and adored him and you’ll see just how all around good he is. I TOO liked the old evenly matched fights and admired them all, but we dont need yet another division just because we cant beat the baddest dude onthe planet.

Posted November 12, 2012 8:49 am 


Drago

Its the evolution of human body. Saying Ali could/should mix with Klits is like saying Carl Lewis can outrun Usain Bolt, based on his legendary status alone.

Posted November 12, 2012 8:48 am 


Neil(pomy)

we just need the division to improve … and it has been just recently. Wach came to fight and did his best but was outboxed. He managed to hurt Wlad and put up a good effot. There are some decent challengers down the line.

Posted November 12, 2012 8:43 am 


Neil(pomy)

Easy answer ….. no.

Posted November 12, 2012 8:22 am 


bolo punch

Create a new division in terms of height why not, but we don’t need a new division based of weight because it won’t prevent guys like solis to come at 270.

Posted November 12, 2012 7:49 am 


Swedish Boxing Fan

I agree with I can understand the point but the truth is that the pro boxing world dont need another weight division as it is to much with the added super middleweight and cruiserweight classes that was intruduced in the 80’s and 90’s. No super heavyweight works in the amatuere’s but not in the pro league.

Posted November 12, 2012 7:47 am 


Swedish Boxing Fan

Wow, what an unexpected well done fight! Congratulations to the still unified, lineal and undisputed heavyweight champion of the world, Wladimir Klitschko (59-3-0 KO’s 51) who made his 13th sucsessfull world title defence and is still the best heavyweight in the world rank. His now former undefeated challanger Mariusz “The Viking” Wach (27-1-0 KO,s 15) made his entrance to the ring as an big underdog with few if non expecations to make an impressive mark to the fight suprisingly made an brave effort against the dominant world heavyweight champion Wladimir. Wach was there with his lumber right hand but had trouble firing it off as Wladim ir was well aware of his opponents best weapon and Wach had to take beating after beating from the champ but I must say this that I give Mariusz Wach lot of credit for his effort in this fight. He fought bravly and absorbed lots of heavy punches from Wladimir but still made it to go on and fight and the polish viking Wach have now proved himself to the boxing world as an worthy opponent and is worth more top oppertunitys in the ring. things seems to sadly not be that any more in boxing and thats sad. Well this was a good fight and once again I congratulate Wladimir Klitschko for another voctory and his 13th title defence in a row.

Posted November 12, 2012 7:44 am 


Anonymous

we don’t need another divison but i can see your point.but the havyweight divisionjust needs fighters tocome in shape not come in fat,there body fat percentage should measure a 10 to 13 %.new legalizations shouldbe made cause they all mostly come in fat this needs to stopped and checked..and no one fights the klitscko’s you have to jab your way in and dig at the body and then go to the head.these heavyweights lack fitness and snap in there punches.modern heavies lackfitness of the old guys.the 90’s was the last great era.but ifboxing made a super heavy divison id be disapointedthere shouldnt even be a cruiser divison in my eyes.

Posted November 12, 2012 6:59 am 


Jordan Davies

Marco Huck, Denis Lebedev, Eddie Chambers, Yoan Pablo Hernandez, Wlodcraszyk and many others. Cruiser isnt lifeless, just need to see Huck V Hernandez, Chambers V Lebedev, Ross V Afolabi, Arslan V Kayode

Posted November 12, 2012 6:57 am 


the commentator

if 220lb guys cant be competitive at heavyweight then they should just simply fight at cruiser rather than aspiring for big pay days but instead getting a beat down. plain and simple…there are too many divisions with too many belts in each at present already. no need to add more confusion to the masses..

Posted November 12, 2012 6:50 am 


Big Sexy

I agree with Mo-Box. Make HW 220lbs.

Posted November 12, 2012 6:45 am 


Vince

Imagine imagine I you? John Lennon. Let’s not forget the man-mountain Joe Frazier any time soon too. He’d look up at a seven foot 300 lb warrior and think: ‘He’s going down.’

Posted November 12, 2012 6:30 am 


kim

NO the time has come for the US to accept the Klitschko’s as real hard working dominant heavy weight champions, and to get the lazy US fighters in shape. Smaller Heavy weights back in the days could still beat the big guys.

Posted November 12, 2012 6:19 am 


huckster

no . . .

Posted November 12, 2012 6:15 am 


Robert

OMG who would even consider another weight division there are to many right now as it is, to many belts also.

Posted November 12, 2012 6:07 am 


knowall

Please no more divisions. If guys think the heavyweight division is to big for them then box at cruise. All that will happen is there will be less challengers than we have today, if possible, and if there is more money at SHweight they will just move up a division, pointless. To many divisions already

Posted November 12, 2012 6:07 am 


Anonymous

Useless and meaningless article talking about nothing

Posted November 12, 2012 5:51 am 


Mo-Box

Or alternatively, as someone pointed out make Cruiserweight up to 220 or so. I think it’s a good idea seeing in relative terms how “lifeless” the CW currently is.

Posted November 12, 2012 5:48 am 


Mo-Box

I mean weights must be given on the fight night! If it’s considerably off, the fights should be off, no punishemt or what so ever. They are pros and know their bodies and know what they’re dealing with.

Posted November 12, 2012 5:47 am 


Mo-Box

Excellent article. But with one big “IF”. 200-225 as Heawyweight, 225+ as Super Heavyweight is only feasible when there is 1 day-before-the-fight weight giving, since at those weight there’s MASSIVE room for de- and rehydration playroom. I imagine with the current weight giving system even Wlad Klitschko could get down to 225 if needed and rehydrate back to 240 for the fight night.

The same should be in ALL weight classes. There’s just so much smart cheating, advantage seeking, weight draining or ballooning, multiple weight domination seeking going on.

And only 1 World Champion belt in each weight class.

This would make the fighters focus only in one weight class and focus them very hungry for success since there’s the meaning “World Champion” acquires astronomical meaning then, not just “another world champion”.

Posted November 12, 2012 5:44 am 


Anonymous

Damn article! Can’t understand such a people who continuously criticized Heavyweight division and boxers who are represent division today. The heavyweight division today as stronger as ever, and domination of Eastern Europeans fighters as obvious, every heavyweights clash in Germany fill stadiums with almost 60 thousands spectators, what else or prove as division is exiting as ever. Only the fact that USA fighters do not lead division for many years so train harder!

Posted November 12, 2012 5:42 am 


Anonymous

by the way: who were Klitschko’s best contenders over the last 6-7 yrs. I’d say Haye, Chambers, Chagaev, Byrd… not exactly giants. I think Wach showed Saterday night that size is less important then skills

Posted November 12, 2012 5:41 am 


SVDC

We surely do not need an additional division. Maybe we should simply shift the weight limits a bit. for example cruiser until 220 instead of 200, LHW until 190 instead of 175 etc. Still, I do not think that will change a lot. Guts like Haye or Adamek would still want to fight in the highest category, and trhey would add a few more pounds. To some extend it would make it worse.

Main issue for me is not the weight, but the fact contenders do not fight eachother. Pulev is about the only contener out there who has not taken the easy road lately. The IBF has tried twice to organize an elimination tournament, and guys ar e simply pulling out. When a good fight between 2 contenbders gets scheduled, it get’s cancelled (Solis-Adamek, Bojtsjov-Fury etc…) Sad…

Posted November 12, 2012 5:39 am 


Duke

Don’t try to tell us that Lennox Lewis’ style was more entertaining than Klitschko’s style against Wach. He fought as fast as he was in the super-middleweight and even used some beautiful combinations. Definitely better and more enjoyable than Lewis.

Posted November 12, 2012 5:32 am 



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