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Mr Fists

I hear ya JD…but don’t forget Barrera beat Morales at LEAST twice. Some (not me though) believe he won all three.

That’s a sound argument though. I can’t put Cuevas in the top ten either. He had a vicious title reign, but the caliber of opposition seems to be middling. I grew up in the 90’s, however. Maybe his reign was more impressive, real-time.

Posted October 24, 2012 11:25 pm 

Jack Dempsey

To Mr. FIST,, a good top ten list of the, all time great fighters from Mexico,, but i personally would put Morales above Barrera,, Morales beat Jr. Jones and Pacquiao two guys that knock out Barrera ,,also Morales beat undefeated Kennedy Mckinney a fighter no one was able to beat… also i would have Pipino Cuevas in there some place ,,He defended his welter weight title 10 times..

Posted October 23, 2012 8:41 pm 

Mr Fists

PLEASE call it a career Erik…nothing more to prove here.

1) JC Chavez
2) Sal Sanchez
3) Olivares
4) Zarate
5) Barrera
6) Morales
7) Ricardo Lopez
8) Vicente Saldivar
9) Manuel Ortiz
10) Miguel Canto

(Didn’t include JM Marquez since his body of work isn’t complete)

That about right…? Would love to get other opinions.

Particularly from Mexican/Mexican-American fight fans

Posted October 23, 2012 5:58 pm 


In reality, it was a GOOD win for Garcia but NOT a ‘great’ win. Erik is no longer the GREAT “Terrible” that he once was. Just to be able to hold his own against Maidana, defeat Cano and war with Garcia in their previous encounter is worthy of the highest praise and props. On the other hand..Garcia has fooled most experts. Many thought he would lose vs Holt, then against Morales the 1st time and most all figured Khan would pound him until his dad would come to his rescue. Some now might still consider him and over achiever. hmmm… Quite possibly so. but until then he’s EARNED our respect. Erik’s choice to exersise his rematch option was a GALLANT decision on his part, to be expected from a WARRIOR like Erik “EL Terrible” Morales. History has proven that a true fighter like Erik couldn’t refuse an opportunity to avenge a loss and retire. He’d never be able to live with it so.. he did what TRUE Warriors do and went out on his shield. He will always be remembered as The Great Erik “El Terrible” Morales, unforgettable. This Boricua salutes you!!

Posted October 23, 2012 5:56 pm 

M. Mendoza

MAD SCIENTIST: Totally agree with your comments. I’m hoping that Garcia and other young boxers can continue to develop because young upstarts are great for the sport. Pac and Marquez are okay for the 4th time if for the sake of my own nostalgia about those two. As far as Mayweather and Pac — it sounds like the MacArthur Park song with “someone left a cake out in the rain” with the “icing melting down.”. Oh yeah — corny as it may sound.

Posted October 23, 2012 12:34 pm 

The Mad Scientist

If GBP wants to match Danny carefully so he can develope more technique and make some good paydays in the process is all good with me..Im all for letting young fighters with talent grow into their full potential before matching them tough on a consistant basis..the sport of boxing needs more stars and guiding a youngster career the right way is how they’re made.

Posted October 23, 2012 1:36 am 

The Mad Scientist

Mendoza -I never said Garcia wasn’t ready for Matthysse or Rios, I just said I would slightly favor them over Swift..IMO, Danny hasn’t really been battle tested to assume he can get into a wood chopping contest against the top lumberjacks at 140lbs in the scorching heat..we all know Rios is a limited boxer but he has proven to be strong and durable if a tough battle should emerge..Matthysse on the other hand is probably the hardest puncher at jr welter with some good fundametals who has never really tasted a clear cut defeat against pretty good opposition..Garcia is the recognize champ at 140 but the most knowledgeable fans know the division is still wide open for any of the top doggs to resume the role of Champion at 140lbs.

Posted October 23, 2012 1:26 am 

M. Mendoza

MAD SCIENTIST: I would give Garcia a creative edge over super-tough Alvarado in terms of boxing skills. you’re right about Garcia not being ready for Matthyse or Rios. He needs a bit more time. Hopefully, GBP will match up Garcia equally as carefully as they have Canelo. If they do, then, yes, Garcia would have a fair chance to equally follow either Matthysse or Rios to “deep waters” and at least almost “drown” the heck out of them. If I but may steal a bit from your quote.

Posted October 22, 2012 11:20 pm 


Pain – all due respect brother.. Garcia is 24 years old, still very green he’s a 140lber.. he is by no means ready fight a Veteran like Paquiao who fights above 154lbs… Lets not rush this kid into a fight he’s not ready for… all in due time..

Posted October 22, 2012 10:05 pm 


“That fight was FAR from conclusive for Cano who had holes blown in his grill and was swollen up by a light puncher…”

Like I said on another thread SRedmond, Cano’s face told the real story. Paulie was tagging it often. And for every jab or power punch that Cano landed, Paulie made him miss many, many more. For a “feather-fisted” fighter like Paulie to go twelve rounds with a tough-hard hitting puncher–who has respectable speed, mind you–says a lot about Paulie’s boxing skills and toughness. Paulie may have got knocked down late, but by God he got back up and finished like a man and a warrior. Typical Paulie Malignaggi.

Posted October 22, 2012 7:52 pm 


Garcia will give Pac one hell of a firefight. But Pac will ultimately make this guy quit if they ever fight.

Posted October 22, 2012 7:05 pm 



Posted October 22, 2012 6:31 pm 

te tumbo

“WTF is just doing what he needs to do[?!?] to neutralize the viciousness[?!?] of certain MEX-TEX, MEX-CAL and other MEX-US posters who can’t help themselves and get carried away whenever their homeboys lose[?!?] in the ring”. disingenuous diplomacy like this only fuels the “bashing”. first of all, “WTF” reserves his most vicious pissing, bashing, and race-baiting for when Mexican “homeboys” WIN. especially when they do it in PR. he also overreacts to even the most accurate and factual observations regarding a PR fighter, e.g., Trinidad was outBoxed, outPunched, and outClassed v. elite opponents. that factual observation alone —directly supported by the videotape— will send “WTF” into a meltdown of foul, crude, and unoriginal pissing, spouting, and Lying about any and every Mexican fighter in the sport. anyway, as long as biased posters like Mendoza continue to apologize for hysterical housewives like “WTF” while ignoring how “WTF” intentionally provokes the pissing matches with his relentlessly foul and rabid tantrums —across several articles, about any and every Mexican fighter— then he must also be considered to be part of the problem NOT the solution. consequently, until Mendoza learns sincerity or “WTF” adopts sanity, I won’t consider either to be serious posters or fight-fans . . . Peace.

Posted October 22, 2012 6:26 pm 

Jack Dempsey

To,,From Detroit ,,,you are right about Mexicans and Puerto Ricans bashing each other ,,lets give credit to who ever deserves it ,no matter if they are from a different planet,, if he is a warrior and fights with all his heart more power to him…

Posted October 22, 2012 4:48 pm 

From Detroit

P.S. Will you Mexicans & PR’s PLEASE stop bashing each other, it makes no sense.

Posted October 22, 2012 4:42 pm 

From Detroit

Erik was a hell of a fighter in his prime, my hat’s off to him. He was actually the last person to box Pacs ears off lol. I like this kid Danny Garcia but, he’s NOT the best at 140.

Posted October 22, 2012 4:39 pm 

te tumbo

MAD SCI, good post! Mendoza’s hypersensitivy to “PR bashing” is only matched by his utter lack of sensitivity to “WTF” aka Public Enema bashing everyone else with is vile brand of smut-slinging.

Posted October 22, 2012 4:29 pm 

The Mad Scientist

M.Mendoza you shouldn’t flatter WTF???, everyone one knows he is nothing but a clown who likes to act a fool around here..Rican’s shouldn’t look for guys like this to represent them in any shape or form..only thing Public Enemy does around here is displays the same constant rants of his obvious meltdown..I like this kid Danny Garcia but he hasn’t shown any real elite ability atleast not yet to assume this kid will be a force to be reckon with for years to this stage IMO a fight between Alvarado and Garcia would be an even fight but I would have to slightly favor Matthysse and Rios to take Danny into deep waters and drown him..

Posted October 22, 2012 4:00 pm 


That fight was FAR from conclusive for Cano who had holes blown in his grill and was swollen up by a light puncher…He is to be commended for fighting hard and putting some hurt on Paulie while bleeding all over the place but this was NOT some sort of conclusive win for Cano… Paulie winning by 1 point on 2 cards is VERY plausible… Get over it Cano did not do enough despite producing a KD…

Posted October 22, 2012 2:52 pm 


WTF= M. Mendoza

Posted October 22, 2012 2:18 pm 

M. Mendoza

I respect Morales for his contribution to the sports no matter what; he’s definitely HOF all the way in my book. WTF is just doing what he needs to do to neutralize the viciousness of certain MEX-TEX, MEX-CAL and other MEX-US posters who can’t help themselves and get carried away whenever their homeboys lose in the ring. WTF makes it almost fair enough in an otherwise one-sided bashing of PR boxers. PEACE to WTF and PEACE to ALL anyway.

Posted October 22, 2012 1:45 pm 

Jack Dempsey

This article is suppose to be about a legend and his last fight..Put unfortunatley there are some who have no idea of boxing,,Like WTF??? he is only on these post to make an ASS !! of himself…boxing fans this piece of trash WTF??? does not represent the people of PuertoRico

Posted October 22, 2012 12:38 pm 


WTF???! – I usually agree with you, but lately you been cruelly bashing Mexican fighters, what’s up with that? Yes, Morales is OLD and is no longer the fighter he once was….but you’re acting as though he’s the first fighter to fight on longer than he should, he’s done and NOW he knows it….it happens. I knew he’d get KO’d, I called it, and I was deeply pissed by the rumors that he’d tested positive (jury is still out)…but damn, the guy is HOFR and he’s given boxing 20 GREAT years of his life. Give him a break. He’s riding off into the sunset (a little late) as one of the GREATEST Mexican boxers of ALL TIME, and certainly one of my TOP 5 favorites…EVER! I, for one, wish him the best of luck in his retirement.

Posted October 22, 2012 12:25 pm 


I felt Cano won that fight…he landed the cleaner, harder and easily the more effective punches. Paulie did okay, but he knows (as well as him hometown crowd) he didn’t win that fight. Especially after Cano put him on his behind and damn near did again before the bell sounded.

Posted October 22, 2012 12:19 pm 


te tumbo – If I recall….it was Morales who CHOSE to exercise his rematch clause. Garcia did NOT choose Morales after he defeated him in their first fight. Quit lying homie!

Posted October 22, 2012 12:18 pm 


While not denying it was a great ko punch, that knocked out Erik Morales, let’s not get carried away with this victory, Morales, without a doubt has been, I repeat HAS BEEN, a great fighter,but, if you looked at the shape of his body on Saturday night, anybody who understands a little about boxing, could see he was NOT in good shape, from the back you could slight rolls of fat on his hips, and his stomach had no muscle definition, again, he has been a credit to boxing, I wish him a long, happy retirement, please Erik don’t fight again, it’s over, it happens to all athletes, as tough as it is to accept. Best of luck in the future.

Posted October 22, 2012 11:58 am 


Erik Morales has been a good fighter to watch. He has had some tough fights, but is he a Hall of famer? Let’s see, he lost to Garcia twice, Barrera twice, Maidana once, David Diaz once, Pacquiao twice, Zahir Raheem once. He beat Barrera once, Pacquiao once and really no one else of high caliber. You can throw in Junior Jones and a few other guys that were B or C level fighters, but not much else. What do you guys think?

Posted October 22, 2012 11:51 am 

E in Denver

WTF-“..He low blows Paulie a DOZEN times but the Mexican Ref never takes a point away.. he Rabbit punches Paulie as well…” In other words Cano pulled a Trinidad.

Posted October 22, 2012 11:02 am 



Posted October 22, 2012 10:05 am 


Garcia cannot be dinged for beating Morales ass, he simply did what he was supposed to do with an OLD man… I dinged Dawson and Calzaghe for not disposing of Hopkins in a more impressive fashion…. Morales exercised the rematch clause and he got what was coming to him, the traditional unceremoniuous ouster from the sport… He has been a terrific action fighter for years but I don’t think even the most diehard fans will take him serious after that beating…

Posted October 22, 2012 9:43 am 


Malignaggi does not need to make excuses he had a fighter in there that was stopped by Morales, and had a shredded eye and he could not keep the guy off him… Paulie is a colorful guy and good fighter but his lack of power is an issue which has kept him on the fringes for most of his career… I have no issue with him winning the bout he was more active but the reality is that Malignaggi maxed out quite awhile ago in my mind…

Posted October 22, 2012 9:40 am 


Thanks for the memories? At least Morales could make a half-hearted attempt to make weight and look like he’s in shape for a championship fight. I’ll tell you what a “good memory” is for a retiring champ: Winky Wright. In his last fight against Peter Quillin Winky was in top condition and put on an honorable performance. He came to win that fight–not just show up. I’m glad Garcia finally closed the door on Morales’ comeback. The man should have stayed retired. Then it really would be proper to say “Thanks for the memories.”

Posted October 22, 2012 7:45 am 

New is out!

WTF was dumped last year by his Mexican Boyfriend!

Posted October 22, 2012 12:00 am 


eric morales just personified in this fight the will of the old fight fans.. for fighters to keep on fighting, simply because they are born warriors. it just become obvious that it’s past his time, and retirement should follow. this fight will be remembered as a loss because eric is already old. his legacy and legend will resound more than those loses, because indeed he was a great great fighter. molded from the warriors of old.

Posted October 21, 2012 10:17 pm 


WTF??? Steve Smoger was the ref for the Malignaggi/Cano fight, not a Mexican ref. But you’re right, Smoger let Cano get away with too many low blows. And there were a lot of unsuccessful attempts at low blows too, as well as hitting Paulie on the back of the head.

Posted October 21, 2012 10:15 pm 


“He low blows Paulie a DOZEN times but the Mexican Ref never takes a point away” First off, the ref was Steve Smoger. He’s not Mexican. However, you’re right. Cano hit Paulie with a number of low blows and he attempted to do it many more times. Paulie had every right to be pissed at Smoger.

Posted October 21, 2012 10:14 pm 


“Garcia proved NOTHING with this win.” HOGWASH!

Posted October 21, 2012 10:12 pm 

Mookie blaylock

mexican legend morales is a stubborn sob, he fights to the death unlike puerto rican legend caldeRUN who took 3 KNEE counts against the younger foe fuentes, like the old mexican saying better to die on your feet then livE on your KNEES

Posted October 21, 2012 10:02 pm 


ERic Morales was a great warrior with the key word being was. It always sad to see a great boxer stay on past his prime but that’s what happens when you don’t know anything but boxing. I wish you well my friend now retire before its too late to reverse the long term damage.

Posted October 21, 2012 9:40 pm 


Tumbo, you done Blowing yourself???.. You said that Morales would KO Garcia on Friday unfortunately
for you Morales got KNOCKEDAFKOUTCOLD flat on his Back into a fetal position in a pool of piss trying
to pet his Chihuahua…

Posted October 21, 2012 8:26 pm 

te tumbo

EDWIN, i am gratified by your ability to learn something despite the obvious threat your feel from “ignorant” but dominant Mfrs like myself. your ungracious rant only validates our sense of superiority over bitter little peanut-heads like yourself. like Cotto, you are also learning to kneel and submit before an irresisitible force. so what if it emanates from the “wrong” side of a border? it is futile to resist . . . expect us.

Posted October 21, 2012 7:54 pm 

Jack Dempsey

TO WTF??? you must not know boxing ,,,,you say that Morales is only 35 yrs old..well you are right he is 35 yrs old but! his body has been thru so many wars that he is an old man in boxing ,This guy Morales has fought 15 world champions through out his career old car with only 50.000 miles can run better then a newer car that has 200.000 miles in it….. GET IT….

Posted October 21, 2012 7:35 pm 


While T tumbos remarks are always laced with obvious vitriol and disdain towards fighters who are not from the south of border, amazingly, I agree that Garcia proved nothing defeating Morales, however, to Garcia’s defense, it was not Garcia who wanted the fight, but Morales exercising his contract right for a rematch. I don’t mind saying however, as much as these fat heads from south of the border tend to be ignorant, and that would include any tumbos and otherwise, Morales is one of the very few from that region who exude an extraordinarily rare combination of humility, skill and heart, something “new” generations lack in spades.

Posted October 21, 2012 7:18 pm 


Young Green Garcia proved that he could take a Mexican Legend who is only 35 years old and KnockhimdafkoutCold Flat on his back… Seems he proved all he needed to prove that night… :lol:

Posted October 21, 2012 7:09 pm 


Tumbo Sobbing on these Boards is hilariouos.. last Time I saw Tumbo Sobbing like this was when he bet me his Hero Fernando LardASS would KO the Legendary Tito Trinidad.. after Trinidad Decapitated Fernando LarDass ending his Bogus Career Tumbo was a crying Wreck for Months.. he never really got over it.. CANTAH Y NO LLORES!!!!! :twisted:

Posted October 21, 2012 7:07 pm 


Garcia proved what he needed vs Khan…..who by the way would have fought EM had he won. Couldn’t have happened to two nicer guys in row.

Posted October 21, 2012 6:53 pm 

te tumbo

Malignaggi’s choice to stand and trade in the pocket is the reason Cano was able to land so many more power punches. just the same, when Malignaggi chose to box on the outside, Cano was pushing a relentless jab into his face for what should’ve been the official instead of unofficial win. bottomline: you land more clean punches, you land at a higher pecentage, you win the fight. that’s pretty basic stuff. anyone without a bias, 20/20 vision, and a brain should be able to handle it. Cano isn’t the very best welter out there but he defeated Malignaggi handily.

Posted October 21, 2012 6:21 pm 

te tumbo

if Josesito stumbling into Canelo’s turf with a legitimate win was bad, then a prime and natural welter like Garcia targeting an old featherweight like Morales who is at least seven years beyond his prime was a travesty. Garcia proved NOTHING with this win.

Posted October 21, 2012 6:18 pm 


The Mexican Came in over weight trying get the size advantage on Paulie.. where have we seen this before??? LOL, He low blows Paulie a DOZEN times but the Mexican Ref never takes a point away.. he Rabbit punches Paulie as well.. and some how the Mexicans feel the guy didn’t get a break in the fight??? SORE LOSERS!!!!! CANTAH Y NO LLORES!!!!!! :lol:

Posted October 21, 2012 6:17 pm 


He’s also a Sore losing cheater.. :lol:

Posted October 21, 2012 6:11 pm 


As for Erik Morales, he won titles in four different weight classes and beat about 15 world champions in his legendary career. He is one of the greatest Mexican boxers to ever do it.

Posted October 21, 2012 5:59 pm 


It was the first time in over 80 yrs. that Brooklyn had held a world championship fight.But New York City is made up of boroughs and Brooklyn is one of them and it wasn`t the first time in over 80 yrs. that other boroughs of New York City such as Manhattan has held a world championship fight.Most recently, in 2011, Miguel Cotto fought Antonio Margarito with the WBA Super World light middleweight championship title at stake at Madison Square Garden in New York City`s Manhattan borough.It is the Brooklyn borough of NYC that did not have a world championship title fight in over 80 yrs. until last night.

Posted October 21, 2012 5:54 pm 

JJ Petersen

…world championship boxing made a return to the Big Apple for the first time in over 80-years…

What are you talking about, James? Do you think there have been no world title fights in New York since 1932? Have you forgotten to qualify that statement in some way?

Posted October 21, 2012 4:43 pm 

M. Mendoza

Paulie won fair and square — he has too many haters who don’t like his New Wave look. Anyway, lots of honor and respect for Morales, he is one true warrior — definitely HOF worthy career in my book.

Posted October 21, 2012 4:01 pm 


That’s the end for the wonderful Morales, many thank’s for the memories, look forward to your induction into ” THE I.B.H.O.F ” (hall of fame)

Posted October 21, 2012 3:20 pm 


man that was a great KO, Garcia is the truth

Posted October 21, 2012 1:55 pm 

Brazilian Boxing Fan

El Terrible Morales fought a terrible fight, took a terrible beating and suffered a terrible defeat.

Posted October 21, 2012 1:40 pm 


Goodbye and thanks for the super GREAT memories Morales.. You left it all in the ring and you should us what nuts and guts REALLY mean. I truly hope this was your last fight!! (as a side not) If this fight would have gone longer..he(Morales) might just have died in the place the was born.. (boxing ring)

Posted October 21, 2012 12:11 pm 

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