Haye fought chisora last and after vitaly. Vitaly usally puts tons of ware on his opponents. So we will have to see. Chisora may be too damaged. If he is thetest u think he is then we will see more chisora fights where he appears to be a test. I don’t think we will see much from chisora and I think am peter motivated trained and coached is a bigger threat.Posted October 20, 2012 7:36 pm
Thanks daly! Yeah we tend to be crazy i am not surprised :)Posted October 20, 2012 7:51 am
Adrian, atleast you have the memories, and ofcourse your health. I work with a guy who was born in yugoslavia, hes crazy!Posted October 20, 2012 6:50 am
Daly jr -I am from fmr. Yugoslavia and back than there were no Internet so I can’t find any of my result posted in any website, maybe there is but I can find it :( there is no article about me here but I meant I did mention my result here in eastside forum time to time and my previous nick was- ok de- I change it when they changed this website format the last time … I never trained boxing after that injury but I did coach for a litle while in Germany , I am ok health wise now thank god !
Adrian, did you mean there was an article on your career? If so, do you have a link? Or could you direct me to it? I would love to read itPosted October 20, 2012 6:27 am
Thanks daly jr ! I appreciate that a lot bro!Posted October 20, 2012 6:01 am
Adrian, sorry to hear you were forced to retire. The most important thing is your health so it could have been worse. Im even more impressed by your record now. Congratulations to you.Posted October 20, 2012 5:11 am
Helenius is now in better physical shape than he was before Chisora fight. He’s future of a division, just you wait ;) Fury and Price don’t want anywhere near Helenius.Posted October 20, 2012 4:32 am
Daly jr– yoooooouuuu rocky lol … Ok sir I know helenius should have has an L in his record but what I am saying is that L or not L it makes no difference on my opinion about the fight and about the fighters ability . Also your record is impressive too.. And thanks about the ” compliment” on my boxing record such btw that ” 1 ” us a draw not a loss so basically my record was 47-0-1 and the reason I never turned pro is because I got a brain bleeding and my carriere was over … I been in this site for years now and most old timers here had a chance to read my post about my carrier wich btw I should mention that on my record also is a boxer who fought Lenox Lewis for a world title in 2000 called zelklo mavrovic from croatia ,I am very proud to have beaten a boxer like him by giving him two standing counts in a 3 rounder !Posted October 20, 2012 2:22 am
Phenyo molefe- what part of my take on chisora was not objective? The “objective data” that means measured. When I said 47% ko ratio? Other than that. When u responde to other posters. Don’t speak in generalities like. “I generally disagree or your not objective”. Those are very vague sentence fragments your sputtering out. Fact is chisora has NEVER impressed in the boxgame. Fact is chisora lacks power and boxing skill. Fact is helenius was vulnerable and there to be had and chisora’s offensive work had very little effect. In fact helenius looked 100 times worse coming out of the serg lyakhovic bout. Its funny to me when fans give boxers undue praise. Its shows they have no grasp of heavyweight boxing.Posted October 19, 2012 1:37 pm
Yo Adriiiiaaaaaaaannnnn……. I agree Helenius wasnt 100%, that is a fact. But we all agree that injured or not, helenius should have an ‘L’ on his record. Oh yeh, and your amatuer record of 47-1 is VERY impressive. I lost 3 of my first 15 fights in the amatuers, and all 3 of those i felt i had won. So i can appreciate a solid record like 47-1. Most top amatuers turn pro with around a 75% win record in the ams’Posted October 19, 2012 5:38 am
Adrian, i was talking about buster mathis, not buster douglasPosted October 19, 2012 1:31 am
Beer party aka Unbiased Dane
AD i hope your right. Soon he need to have some difficult fights along the way, where he can get his stamina, chin, boxing iq etc. tested.Posted October 18, 2012 6:40 pm
I meant shoulder injury*Posted October 18, 2012 6:22 pm
Daly jr. I retired from amateur boxing (47-1) in 1990 just when your dad took you to see Tyson vs Douglas so when I t comes to boxing I know a few things myself, and I can tell you one thing , helenius wasn’t boxing the way he does at all you could see that he has some kind of problem that night not from chisoras performans or chisoras”beating” on him but something else and than it was confirmed the guy had a severe shoulder surgery and as a fmr. Boxer myself I could imagine how hard must be fighting injured, and btw I agree that chisora deserved a point win but really there was no winer that night because chisora failed to take the advantage and do more!Posted October 18, 2012 6:20 pm
I thought it was hilarious that Fury had to get Andy Lee to come back from the states to go infront of the irish boxing board to say ‘yeh Luke (furys real first name) is irish’. Seems alot of trouble to go to to avoid a man who you say has a china chinPosted October 18, 2012 5:01 pm
Tark, very good points sir.
Beeer Party, I have to be honest, I can unfortunately not defend Price’s next battle against Skelton. I would prefer he move onto someone more tangible. However if it is a choice between fighting no one or staying busy, I would prefer he stay busy.Posted October 18, 2012 10:53 am
Chisora, for the number of fights he has had, has taken some appropriate risks—or maybe some inappropriate risks, depending on if you look at it from Alex Povetkin’s perspective. It worked out well for Del money wise …. Physically, it worked out pretty well too, until he decided to mess with David Haye. Those 2 encounters probably took 20 fights off Del’s career… Experience and skill-wise he was far from ready for his last 2 fights—but there was a lot of reward being extended for the risk. You push that money at Tyson Fury and you get, “No thanks.”Posted October 18, 2012 10:35 am
Beeer party aka Unbiased Dane
Price and Fure isnt relevant before they man up and start fighting boxers ranked in the top 50, and who isnt way past their prime.
Wasn’t Vitali injured in the Chisora fight? Don’t trust politicians.Posted October 18, 2012 3:55 am
Bears, although I agree with very little of that which you have shared. I think your assessment of Chisora is not one I would call objective.
Irrespective of what you think of Chisora, that evening he beat Helenius. Shoulder injury or not, he won.
Your assessment of Fury and Price’s competition neglects an understanding of match making in fighters early stages. Irrespective of their potential; it is imperative that their process is not rushed. The right decision at the wrong time is wrong decision.
I find no flaws in their current match making and no that within the next year they will begin to fight even better opposition.Posted October 18, 2012 3:53 am
chisora has a 47% ko ratio. weak………now to discuss tyson fury…..the guy has no mustard in his hands all he throws in mayonnaise………this means…..i BEARS….do not believe that fury will ever impress….if this guy does happen to become champion I think i will dislike it very much. i cant stand a mustardless heavyweight who not only doesnt make good matches but gets a title. To discuss price……I still think price may be the future of heavyweight boxing. he reminds me of wladimir klitschko. i think he should train with freddy roach. I think of all the islanders and all the heavyweights in the world price’s stock looks the best. to me he looks better than seth mitchell, bermane stiverne, deontay wilder, helenius, fury, and i would say his future looks brighter than pulevs to me as well. I want to see all these guys step it up but i really hope price’s career at this juncture starts to resemble that of a future champ. that he starts making the good matchups and establishing himself and i hope he feels its a must that he faces wladimir before wladimir retires. I think price is better than joshua. joshua looks LIKE A HUGE UK FLOP JOB LIKE HAYE AT HEAVYWEIGHT!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!!!!!!!!Posted October 18, 2012 2:33 am
The “only” thing that stood out about helenius vs chisora was an injury. That was no “outstanding” performance by chisora. Chisora has never had in his career an “outstanding” performance. Chisora is on a 3 or 4 fight loss streak………….I just wanted to inject some “reality” about one derik “del boy” chisora. and im from america, can someone tell me what a “del boy” is??? I seriously dont knowPosted October 18, 2012 2:24 am
i wouldnt call anything chisora has done “very good”. His ineffective punching on robert helenius was unimpressive. Then you have people who want to laud chisora on the basis that he has fought good comp. Really? a fighter merely “steps” into the ring with some “namers” and you want to laud this guy? What is it with some “deprived” fans that want to count the mere “stepping into the ring” as some “measure” of success? Cause its not.Posted October 18, 2012 2:22 am
I really don`t cut people much slack for injuries when it comes to fighting sports where the whole point is to injure someone to the point that they cannot continue. If you spend 2 months in a training camp getting yourself into peak physical condition for a fight then it is your problem if a mixture of ill-preparation, bad luck and the efforts of the fight injure you.
I don`t have a problem with Helenius – I think the division needs as much blood as it can get, and the guy can bang as seen by his stoppages. I like that he fought 3 former world champs and put them out by KO – it is impressive, but for each of those fighters the last meaningful win any of them had prior to fighting Helenius was 3-4 years beforehand, so there was a degree of very good matchmaking involved.Posted October 18, 2012 2:17 am
He looked fine but knew he had lostPosted October 18, 2012 1:19 am
Helenius was there to be hit all night after the injury. Helenius Looked fine after the bout. In fact if u watch helenius vs lyakhovic, helenius got damaged way worse in terms of the effect of his opponents punches. that was sadPosted October 17, 2012 9:40 pm
RAY GORDON REID
GO HELENIUS! 6:23 PM 10/17/2012 USAPosted October 17, 2012 6:23 pm
Also its not always bad to cut back on fights per year.Example if your fighting 6 or 7 fights a year against real duds k.o. them in 1 or 2 rounds what are you learning overall? But if you have great training in the gym learning everything there is to learn…really great sessions this can be alot more helpfull.This can also put you in better shape and see better advancement all around.And if you do fight only 3 times a year against better fighters you will see a better boxer-fighter then that guy fighting 6 or 7 jokes a year.Posted October 17, 2012 5:46 pm
Well put tark. Price is too obvious (as furys busted douglas), i think that fight will b avoided by team fury for aslong as possible. I think fury would beat povetkin. There r good fights out there at heavyweight now. I just hope we get to see emPosted October 17, 2012 5:34 pm
Carter…Fury fought Maddalone alittle over 3 months ago not 6.And yes he did look lazy as for training goes but he does seem much fitter at this time.And Wilder who is 2yrs older then Fury really fought no one his last fight was a complete joke…his oppenent made Maddalone look like a prime Ali.Furys record still stands much higher then Wilders for Furys age in this era he has faced descent fighters and has been brought along well overall.Will he get lazy and become soft out of shape…maybe.I understand what your saying he can have that way about him but at times he also can look serious. I dont know if he will ever get a belt its hard to say at this point…but its hard to say that he will never get a belt aswell.Hes very young and only time will tell…and how bad he wants it.Posted October 17, 2012 5:23 pm
Fury has a problem because his daddy named him Tyson… He’s not a big bomber so he has to do something else his name sake did… That’s to call opponents names, belittle them, run his mouth and seem a little unstable and weird in general… I wonder who his Buster Douglas is going to be?Posted October 17, 2012 5:20 pm
And he abused steve bunce for praising david prices ko of fraudley. Calling bunce 2-faced asif hes only alowed to praise furyPosted October 17, 2012 4:40 pm
After seeing furys latest idiotic little outburst, i have come to the conclusion he needs anger management! i dont think hes mentaly stable. I could see him holding back the beast when he was ranting. I can see him having a break down in the ring one day oliver mccall style. Or ending up in prison. Or both. Hes not very bright either threatning to kill people, threatning to put people in intensive care, calling people g4y, abusing promoters etc. He ranted at bellew (who had nothin to do with anything) and bellew and fury r both signed to henessey promotions.Posted October 17, 2012 4:33 pm
dwc: I agree Fury has raw talent. But if he wants to get to the top, he has to work for it like all the other great champions. Wilder will have had 6 fights this year, and Gerber 4 fights this year. When Vlad Klitchko was at the same stage of his career, he had 8 fights in one year. I know, Fury needs his beauty rest after fighting the 38 year old Madalone almost 6 months ago. I’m sorry, but Fury will never be a great champion; he’s just too lazy.Posted October 17, 2012 4:18 pm
Also, in my original comment regarding helenius, i ment to say he relys on his size. I wrote skill by mistake, funnily enough it was the polar opposit of what i mentPosted October 17, 2012 3:26 pm
Hitmachine, you mentioned the chisora Vs Helenius fight, and that helenius had all these injuries blah blah blah. That aside, Chisora still got robbed! The fight may have been completely differnt had helenius been fit, but it doesnt take away from the fact Chisora got robbed. I gave Helenius 3 rounds at a squeez. And back to your strange comment on how i made it clear i havnt seen much boxing or some crap,……, I said i have seen a few of Helenius’ fights, NOT a few fights. For the record, i have been involved and inlove with this sport since i was 8 years old and my dad sat me down to watch my first boxing experience (tyson vs Buster mathis). Most of my free time (and alot of my slacking at work) is dedicated to boxing, so dont tell me i havnt seen much boxing, and i dont understand the sportPosted October 17, 2012 3:19 pm
Hitmachine……….. i dont fully understand your comment, probably due to the bad english. Are you trying to say i havnt seen alot of boxing and i dont understand what i have seen?Posted October 17, 2012 3:08 pm
Just for Tark and other who don’t give a damn for facts : Everybody knows that Helenius has been in surgery operation where they took tendon from his calf and put that to his right shoulder because he damaged his shoulder just six week BEFORE that fight. He fell down during his run training. Everybody knows too that in the fight he got injury to his right fist in first round against Chisora. So Chisora fought against one handed Helenius and did not absolute any damage.Posted October 17, 2012 2:51 pm
Fury I take with a grain of salt.He is a showman..shoots off his mouth talks alot of crap.I belive deep down he knows where he stands thats why he dosent fight the k-bros. or Price.But he also knows hes a baby in the hvwt. div. (this is the age of the late bloomers in hvwt. terms) So he knows he has plenty of time as a hvwt.Also he is getting in much better shape saw a recent picture of him looks alot fitter.Also he is improving his all around skills..moves pretty good for such a big kid and is putting punches together much better.Also is sitting down on his punches alot better.But he needs more time overall for more improvement.So as someone so young in todays terms I give him a pass for certain things…and that showman side of him will always be there its just him.I belive in a few years Fury will be a legit hvwt. and will be at the top of the heap being competive. Helenius Im not so sure lets see if he improved he can look pretty clumsey not gracefull in the ring but can bang to take guys out. I will go out on a limb and say in 3 to 5 years we will be reading about Fury and his fights and Helenius will be in the shadows trying to get back in the picture because of setbacks…lets see.Posted October 17, 2012 2:42 pm
Daly Jr, So you made it clear that you have seen only few boxing (in tv) and that you don¨t understand at all what you see.Posted October 17, 2012 2:40 pm
Daly…. People tend to think great big guys are much older than they are. Fury is about 23 but people think he’s 30 or 40.. David Price is the same age as Donaire, but is taken for 40.. Unless they have a baby face that’s the case. Valuev walked down the street and people thought he was somebody’s great grandfather when he was 28 … But he has an additional problem. Maybe ugly equals old for a lot of people.Posted October 17, 2012 2:09 pm
Tark, i beleive Fury is building up to a Povetkin fight (if Povetkin stops avoiding people). Fury has talked so much talk in his career and failed to back most of it up. He was claiming to be world class after only 5 or 6 fights, and he got worse after he got the gift decision of the year vs a short fat crude John Mcdermott. Tyson Fury has made him self a joke in the eyes of many. Helenius IMO has terrible boxing ability, and is yet another fighter who relies on skill. I was SHOCKED to learn Helenius actualy had an amatuer career!!!! After seeing a few of his fights, i was convinced he was some weird old man who had just turned to boxing. I was almost as shocked when i realised he was under 40 !!!Posted October 17, 2012 1:28 pm
Helenius has taken more risk than most contenders who carry the zero in their records. Maybe Pulev and Pianeta have maybe taken a little more risk. Maybe he might take a little risk and use Chisora as a tune up. Chisora gets another nice paycheck. Helenius by KO.Posted October 17, 2012 1:10 pm
Ofcourse Chisora got ripped-off in that fight almost everybody that seen it said the same thing.Helenius was hurt so what thats the nature of the beast in boxing…and Chisora couldnt do more what the hell he was beating him almost every round.Didnt Ali fight round after round with a broken jaw…no excuses.I like Helenius as a fighter but a bad dec. is a bad dec. plain and simple…no excuses.Posted October 17, 2012 1:05 pm
Top Hat, i wouldnt buy into anything from the Fury camp. He said he was going to be fighting some tough top american guys, then he fought Vinnie Maddalonne! He also said he was going to fight a bum a month, but its been a bum every 4-6 months. I heard he done an interview today and he said he wants to fight price, and that Price is a bully? You have to laugh because Price is quiet and reserved, whereas Fury has been dishing out insults, and even dragged Tony Bellew into it by calling him Prices g4y lover .lol. As i said, do not beleive what you hear from the Fury campPosted October 17, 2012 12:42 pm
Fury-Helenius . . . Helenius by KO.Posted October 17, 2012 12:26 pm
Chisora beat helenius??lol … You guys are a bunch of haters arnt you? That fight had no winer in that fight , helenius was clearly injured and chisora couldn’t do more to take the advantage , there is nothing more to it!Posted October 17, 2012 5:53 am
I personnaly think Price has better potential then Helenius, but clearly Helenius hhas a better record for nowPosted October 17, 2012 4:03 am
BEARS….. “TARK……..the uk heavies won’t step up to the plate” …. How about Dereck Chisora, one of the top UK Heavies??? DC had only 14 fights when he signed TWICE to fight Wladimir.. Wladimir pulled out of both fights and never faced Chisora… DC had only 16 fights when he whipped Helenius in Finland… DC had only 17 fights when he fought Vitali… DC had only 18 fights when he fought Haye… A lot of tough fights there for a scared-assed Brit, don’t you think??? …BTW, I share your view that Vitali was the best heavyweight ever.Posted October 17, 2012 2:28 am
Helenius will not take a big risk in his first fight back after this long lay off and after having so much trouble with Chisora.But after 2 tune-ups there are plenty of good match-ups to be made.The hvwt.div. is heating up really well and it is time for the next wave to start mixing it up among themselfs.Posted October 17, 2012 12:09 am
“LET HIM FIGHT PRICE”……TARK……..the uk heavies won’t step up to the plate. you cant fight someone that refuses to make good fights. Is there ANY uk heavyweight that makes good matches? They wont even step up to the lower tier guys. I think everyone is afraid of moving up cause they know a klitschKO will beat their ass. At any rate there is no excuse for the uphauling matchmaking of t e uk heavies. I’m a big fan of them but its time to stop lauding them with undue praise completely and entirelyPosted October 16, 2012 11:51 pm
i think knocking out sam peter is a ton more valuable than knocking out harrison. I think sam peter represents a much bigger risk. peter is a much better fighter all around. a motivated and trained sam peter could still be a threat but peter went through the klitschKO meat grinder (fought wlad twice, and vitaly once getting STOMPED) THATS what worn peter down. He came into the bout with helenius not even haviing a trainer and out of shape. harrison is one of the biggest give me’s in heavyweight boxing. a joke. as far as im concerned price hasnt stepped it up. neither has fury. I’m looking forward to seeing helenius back in the ring. The islanders like fury and price are not fighting anyone so they have a lot in common with helenius’s injury break but no excuse for the lack luster matchmaking. david haye cant fight anyone either and then announces his retirement after every time out. he fights and beats a guy giving him his third or fourth consecutive loss and thinks he deserves a title shot on that! LOL!!! The stock of the uk heavyweights has fallen and is remains STAGNATE.Posted October 16, 2012 11:47 pm
Beeer party aka Unbiased Dane
oh dear, same old complaining and talking down fighters.
Ban corrupt judges
This report would have more weight if reported accurately that every boxing writer thought Chisora beat Helenius clearly.
as amatörs Helnius beat Price 2 timesPosted October 16, 2012 4:18 pm
SHEM: See TARK’s comment. He’s not at all impressed by Helenius beating those former champions.Posted October 16, 2012 4:16 pm
Let him take on David Price instead of chilling champs from yesteryear… Like that matchup would ever happen, but Price would get him out inside of six… He was wide open for Chisora’s less than sizzling swings all night and lost 10 of 12 rounds… Chisora is one of the few guys he’s fought who matched him in weight and strength so I don’t see him as a future world champion.Posted October 16, 2012 2:50 pm
The mystery TBA opponent – Scary!!!Posted October 16, 2012 2:17 pm
rumor says it i’ll be Rosberg from Finland, easy fight.
Should give Chisora a rematch though.Posted October 16, 2012 1:00 pm
Have him fight Chisora again.. hahaha He wants no part of that. Might bust up his shoulder againPosted October 16, 2012 12:05 pm
Helenius is a legitimate contender who can bang. I’d like to see him take on other big dogs like Mitchell, Lawrence, Pianeta, Boystov, or Chagaev. Forget about Fury, he’s dead in the water at 24 and lacks the fire to make a great champion.Posted October 16, 2012 10:16 am
Why not a bunch of eliminators like back in the day helenius, fury,price, wilder, Pulev,Stiverne, even solis there is some great fights to be made therePosted October 16, 2012 8:48 am
Good to see Helenius back. I hope he is truly fully recovered. The division can use all the big punching attractions we can get. A tune up first, and then a top ten opponent. Maybe Thompson or Chambers? I don’t think the British top liners want to travel to Germany and risk their unbeaten records in hostile territory.Posted October 16, 2012 7:42 am
edit.. understandingPosted October 16, 2012 5:24 am
Its my inderstanding from my good friend in the fury camp that in two to three weeks he will announce his next fight. It is a high profile fighter a really top guy but not heleniusPosted October 16, 2012 5:14 am
I agree helenius fury would be great. Hopefully fury will go for it then he can have something to talk aboutPosted October 16, 2012 4:02 am
Helenius-Fury would be a nice match up.Posted October 16, 2012 3:33 am
If only all heavyweights had the balls to take on those former champions at that stage of their areers…I’m thinking of what Tyson Fury and Audley Harrison did at comparative times in their records and I think that speaks volumes about the fighters own opinion of their own abilities.Posted October 16, 2012 3:08 am