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Floyd Hall of Fame Mayweather

VLADIMIR ROBBED the boxing world of seeing those historic, monumental fights

Posted May 19, 2014 8:16 am 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

That’s right, TARK! BTW…it sounds like GGG vs. Chavez is off and 3G is gonna be fighting Geale instead. So, it looks like he’s staying at MW — for the unforeseen future. Meaning he can still make 154lbs with no problem.

3G has been calling out FMJ at ’54 for over two years. So add 3G to the lengthy and ever-growing list of fighters that Duckweather avoided or will avoid (PacMan, Martinez, Lara, Porter, Thurman, Margarito, prime Cotto, etc.).

The chickensh*t has the heart of a mouse, not of a lion. And this is why he’ll never the GOAT or “TBE” — because he avoided the very best competition of his generation. The sad part is that he could’ve beat almost all of those guys. FMJ ROBBED the boxing world of seeing those historic, monumental fights and is laughing all the way to the bank. All because he’s scared witless of losing his precious “O” — which doesn’t amount to a pile of horse sh*t at this point anyway.

Posted May 18, 2014 5:29 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

SREDMOND: Oh, you’re still alive? Sorry but I can’t understand a single word you’re saying, @$$ clown. All I hear is distant muttering from inside your sealed casket and beneath that six feet of soil. We destroyed and BURIED you yesterday, fool. The war is already over, so just shut your gaping p0le h0le and RIP. Bhahahahahahaha!!!

Posted May 18, 2014 9:42 am 


Marquez WON just as I predicted!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!

Posted May 18, 2014 12:43 am 


whoa did you conveniently skip guerrero and ortiz? LOL!!! your a joke.

floyds garbage feel free to create new premises and parameters to apply to floyd and noone else. ride that nutsack son!!!! its cool you like the d!ck in ya mouth son.

Posted May 18, 2014 12:35 am 


TARK- how bout that? accurately described how jmm vs alvarado would go. jmm takes his licks and gets dropped. comparing pac vs rios and jmm vs alvarado, jmm comes away looking worse and more vulnerable.

Posted May 18, 2014 12:32 am 


Bears there no need to “talk up”
FMJ’s opponents because the FACTS and his accomplishments speak for themselves, Mayweather at 37 is atop the sport for the aforementioned reasons..! This is not Wlad who is a HOF fighter who lived off numbers yet the quality of his opposition is terrible relative to other Greats …. It never took a Great boxer to stop Wlad, Sanders a journeyman, Purrity a Bum, and Brewster a B level guy at best… Everyone of FMJ’s last 10 or 11 opponents was a HOFer or World Champion, Maidana WW champion, Canelo Unified Champ 154, Guerrero 4 weight Titlist, Cotto 3 weight Champion HOFer, Mosley 3 weight champ HOFer, all men coming off big wins… Mayweather cannot be touched again no need to try hard when FACTS carry the day this is why the public pays him more than anyone.. Wake up Redneck!

Posted May 17, 2014 11:19 pm 


what a weak post REDMON. i expected better from u. man your chumpish Anymore.

what a weak a$$ attempt to talk up floyds opponents. its like if i take a sh!t, let it retire, bring it out of retirement, give it a title, it sets up a fraud may ppv.

seriously turds like redmond futilely try to talk fraud may. who has not even faced the two best welters of the last multiple years. they have fought eachother twice. pac wooped bradleys a$$ twice now while floyds getting beat by the maidanas of the world.

Posted May 17, 2014 10:02 pm 


Quote: “i think floyd would have a difficult time with even a trout type. tall lengthy guy workin a jab floyd i think would look bad not just lara. i think paul williams would have made him look bad. possibly winky right as well.”

You’re probably right. FMJ himself admitted he was outboxed in sparring with Paul Spadafora, a Trout or Paul Williams type.

Posted May 17, 2014 9:09 pm 


Wlad Klits is a HOF fighter but nowhere in Floyd’s league he was KOED BY bums while Floyd set the world on fire….Wlads level of Comp is PATHETIC compared to FMJ’s NO comparison, Wlad has NEVER beat a HOF fighter and his last several opponents have been trash absent pudgy Povetkin who is not gonna be remembered and NEVER became a legit World Champ… FMJ has beat more HOFERS on his last 8 bouts than Wlad has in OVER 60 bouts !!! Unless Wach, Mormeck, Pianeta and a 70 year old Thompson qualify?? HAHAHAHAHAHA foolish comment Wlads record is WEAK but better than his brothers who has already been forgotten absent Lewis bashing his face in..

Posted May 17, 2014 8:55 pm 


Tark, Porter and Brook “are master boxers”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Neither man is Porter is tough but not even close to “a master” you fool! Brook has not faced anyone of real note..Lara May not even get by Canelo so again you are dreaming again Lara was getting popped by Angulo who Canelo just smashed and beatup while not even being bothered by Angulos return fire! As usual your prebooked win for Lara is VERY premature… Remember Tark this is the same Canelo you thought was gonna defeat Floyd Mayweather who at 37 is still pissing on you, Bears, Sqaured Circle and the rest..”Porter a master boxer” you said the same about Khan after he beat an ancient Judah and was later flattened by Garcia!

Posted May 17, 2014 8:49 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Great posting by BEARS and TARK! You two did quite an impressive job of dismantling and destroying the sociopathic animal known as SREDMOND.

I’m just The Undertaker who nailed his casket shut, dropped it six feet under, and BURIED him. There’s nothing like the thrill of victory!

Posted May 17, 2014 7:15 pm 


seriously though i think the theme and motiff of floyds career has ways been ducking the best. there is such a huge list of ducked or avoided fighters til vulnerable its unreal.

so its no stretch to say floyd will only CONTINUE to dodge the best. i forecast the same sh!t tark.

but can someone explain to me how a fan can laud floyd and call him the best knowing he has not really fought sickum for opponents? adding to that the fights were all there to be had. its not like he is joe loius or wlad klitschko doing the best with whats available. floyd has gone out of his way, put everything he could think of between himself and the best available………..this is the single biggest knock on floyd and how anyone could call him the best anything is beyond me

Posted May 17, 2014 7:08 pm 


“i predict floyd will duck lara, porter, etc” -TARK

well i would have to say thats a very safe bet and prediction considering the motiff of floyds boxing career. this guy has never fought pac or bradley and how long have they been the main rivals??? floyd aint the best at any weight not even 154. he has not fought the best at 154 and he did not fight canelo there either. floyd aint the best sh!t GTFO. floyd got smoked by maidana. SAD DUDE. floyd has THRIVED on 130 pound dudes he outweighed or post retired dudes in chump form like oscar. mosely should been retired. and dudes like so far gone their not in sight like gatti. or utter suck a$$es like ortiz. or garbage flat footed featherfisted no stoppages guerrero. FINALLY THE CONNBACKFIRED. and wooped frauds a$$ EXPOSING HIM. and this was not an elite fighter. he was just not outweighed and outpowered like flod did jmm. he was not scorched weight drained boiled down and stamina less like canelo. frauds fate is sealed: of course he will continue to duck true contest. floyds a b!tch who was clearly nowhere near the best. lol

Posted May 17, 2014 6:57 pm 


sredmond just got jumped and smoked. thorough beat down handed to that ugly imbecile.

im glad posters dont let blind fallacious nut hugging posts just slide anymore. people on bullsh!t need to be cAlled on it

Posted May 17, 2014 6:34 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

1st): Clown-boy, learn the definition of the word “ingrate” before misusing it when trying to insult knowledgeable posters. Once again, you’ve revealed that your pseudo-intellectualism is nothing but a BIG farce. Nothing but smoke screens and mirrors, and very few are fooled by your B.S.

2nd): If punch stats were not important…HBO, Showtime, ESPN, Box Nation and every other network, wouldn’t bother to show them after almost every round and after each and every fight.

3rd): It was FMJ who was doing the vast majority of the wrestling & grappling in that fight. His clinching/holding was EXCESSIVE. And when combined with all his illegal arm-locks (overhooks), illegal headlocks and illegal shoves/strikes with his elbows and forearms, his illegal tactics were excessive. Those are dirty tactics and NOT considered clean defense. Therefore, FMJ does not get the advantage in the “defense” scoring category. Lucky for FMJ, Weeks wouldn’t allow MM to work inside when he had FMJ on the ropes. Every time MM got inside, Weeks was breaking them apart ASAP in order to protect FMJ, allow him to reset from his range, and give him the advantage.

4th): Only a shameless nut-hugger would call FMJ a “Unified Champ in 2 divisions” because he outright refuses to defend his 154lbs titles. He’s been ducking Lara and 3G at ’54 and will continue to do so. Lara has a very good chance of beating Canelo. If he does, he’ll continue to call out FMJ and Floyd will continue to duck him. Translation: FMJ calls himself the Jr. MW Champion of the Word, but outright refuses to defend those titles vs. the very best in the world. That’s what’s known as “ducking” in this sport, you naive fan-boy. FMJ wouldn’t have a snowballs chance in h3ll of beating 3G at 154lbs – though 3G has been calling him out for over two years. But of course he’s full of excuses – just like he’s always been with the Pac situation.

5th): MM landed plenty of clean, hard thudding shots – especially to the body and side of the head. The scoring criteria is called “clean effective punching.” FMJ landed a lot of feather-fisted jabs that barely grazed MM’s face and body. Some of those punches might be considered “clean” but the great majority of those shots were NOT “effective.” Effective means that the punches landed hard, caused damage and/or carried consequences. FMJ may land a lot of clean jabs, but that doesn’t mean they’re hard, effective and consequential punches.

6th): FMJ did NOT shut MM down in the last five rounds. MANY experts scored the 8th or 11th for MM. Many scored one of those two rounds for MM and the other round even. Many scored both the 8th and 11th for MM. Keep in mind that MM won nearly every round of the first half. Many had MM sweeping the first 5 or 6 rounds.

7th): You can call FMJ the “a Unified Champion in two divisions” all you want, but that’s nothing but empty rhetoric, son. Floyd does NOT hold all the major titles/belts at WW or Jr. MW. If he’s the GOAT or “TBE” why hasn’t he even been able to unify ALL the major WW titles after all these years??? Because he outright refuses to fight the other WW Champions (PacMan, Porter, etc.). He didn’t want to fight Bradley either when he was a WW Champion. That’s what’s known as ducking in the sport of boxing, you idiot.

I’ll never kill myself because I have a real life and too much to live for. But I would definitely kill myself if I were you because of your most embarrassing and humiliating position. You’re nothing but a disgraceful sh*t stain on the underpants of society and you know it! Under all that lying and false bravado you’re deeply ashamed of yourself and should be. Real talk.

Posted May 17, 2014 6:14 pm 


i think floyd would have a difficult time with even a trout type. tall lengthy guy workin a jab floyd i think would look bad not just lara. i think paul williams would have made him look bad. possibly winky right as well.

Posted May 17, 2014 6:10 pm 


Pac_man…..porter….lara………..Martinez…GGG…all of ths guys would beat floyd ….but of course he has no balls…to face those guys. …shame on black ppl

Posted May 17, 2014 5:22 pm 


I predict Floyd will retire rather than face Lara, Porter, or Brook… Floyd won’t face a really masterful prime boxer…

He’ll run out his contract against very punchable boxers like khan and Maidana. He won’t even risk fighting Pacquaio, who he can probably beat.

Posted May 17, 2014 4:47 pm 


Idiot Sredmond says.., “It’s funny to see you try and vacate Canelos win when you REALLY thought he was gonna defeat Mayweather.”

Bullsh!t you lying bastard… I had Mayweather winning that fight from day one. I always said Floyd would win and predicted the scores within a round from day one.

I thought Canelo would show more energy, variety, and determination until I saw the weigh-in. In my posts, I always said the weigh-in and how Canelo looked was critical to his performance. You don’t think a fighter can possibly be weight drained. I do. I also criticized Canelo’s team and sparring—because they went with 2nd class sparring partners.

You predicted Floyd was going to “shred, paint, smoke, and KO Canelo.” … which is the last thing in the world that was going to happen. My prediction was much more accurate.

I’m not vacating Canelos win versus Trout. I’ve always given him credit for beating Trout in a close fight. But a significant number of fans felt Canelo was edged by Trout.

NOBODY thought Trout beat Lara. Lara not only landed the harder blows, but many more blows. That’s the difference.

Posted May 17, 2014 4:35 pm 


Sredmond, it makes me LAUGH just looking at the list again!!! From now on, I just have to read your name around here and I’d be LAUGHING again! Hahaha! What an ENTERTAINMENT! thanks dude!!!

Posted May 17, 2014 4:04 pm 


Sredmond, you are an entertainment dude!!! You’re a comedian!!!! LINEAL!!!??? Look at the list again and see what’s MISSING!!! only an IDIOT like you would think that ‘s an awesome conquest!!! LMFAO! I would help your PEA sized brain to realize what’s MISSING but I’d rather not!!! It would be an insult to the objective readers out here! LINEAL??? WHAT A MORON! LMFAO!

Posted May 17, 2014 3:47 pm 

SREDMOND – Unemployed 44 Year Old Comedian/Actor for Hire

ive never boxed a day in my life but know more about the sport that TARK, a former trainer with alot of experience. ive never stepped foot in a boxing gym but know much more about boxing that guys on ESB who are former fighter and were involved in the sport for years…….

by the way can you please help me get a job so i can finally get off welfare and foodstamps? i tell the ladies im a comedian/actor to try and make it sound like i have a job and am successful. thats just to try and get laid but the sad truth is that i never get paid for those amateur hour comedy gigs……

i love to talk loud sh1t on ESB but couldnt fight my way out of a paper bag. please dont kick my a55 because of my big mouth and help me get a job fellas, even flipping burgers at mcdonalds or mopping floors would be a big step for me. please help me!!!

floyd mayweather is the greatest of all times and the best ever. hes the best athlete in human history and has never ducked anyone…plus hes gorgeous and has a great body. i pleasure myself several times a day to all my floyd posters that cover the walls in my tiny 1 bedroom apartment. money is so rich and $exy i just cant control my urges, id tongue his bung deep and hard and pray that he ravages me from behind

Posted May 17, 2014 3:29 pm 


Amor, your low Boxing IQ commentary is barely worthy of rebuke but here is the deal.. 22 World Title fights, World Champ 5 weight classes, lineal Champ 4 weight classes, facing World Champs or HOF fighters in 11 or so consecutive fights, Current Unifed World Champ at 147 and 154… Again these are FACTS that dimwits like Bears and others vacate when uncomfortable but they are FACTS nonetheless

Posted May 17, 2014 2:42 pm 


Tark, I don’t rely on punch stats to tell me who won or lost.. Boxing is not a single bit better for this murky tool and it has no bearing on the actual outcome of contests.. “Check the punch stats” HAHAHAHAHAHA! Sell that to Bears

Posted May 17, 2014 2:36 pm 


Sooooooo Tark, now you suddenly have Canelo who you supported previously losing to Trout? Hmmm your flip flopping is only trumped by fellow weasel “Bears” who swore on a stack of Bibles that Canelo was gonna “smoke Mayweather” HaHaHa!! Lara is a talented fighter that said he is hardly the finished article, he was on his rear 2x against Angulo and the Molina bout was controversial.. Personally I think Alvarez is gonna get to him but I digress, it’s funny to see you try and vacate Canelos win when you REALLY thought he was gonna defeat Mayweather…Laughable

Posted May 17, 2014 2:33 pm 

Mayweather 43-3

I got whupped by Marcos Maidana!!

Posted May 17, 2014 2:14 pm 

Ring General

Bears and Squared Circle are in the idiot box. Hopefully for you guys sake, morons like Hidalgo and Gonzo wil come to your aid. What a bunch of wankers you are!!!!

Posted May 17, 2014 2:01 pm 


i cant wait to shred to shredmonds posts. shredmond dropped some gems for dismantling though, and i will! at length!

Posted May 17, 2014 1:46 pm 


Sred.., “Tark, Lara is being overrated because he beat Trout who was coming off a loss.”

Not everyone feels Trout was coming off a loss. Canelo did okay, but not great. A substantial number of fans had Trout winning. NOBODY had Trout beating Lara.

Check the punch stats for both fights. They’re day and night, because Trout outlanded Canelo substantially and Lara outlanded Trout in master fashion

Sred.., “Lara is a LOW volume fighter and Mayweather would see what he has coming.”

HELL NO Floyd wouldn’t see all Lara’s stuff coming. Floyd didn’t even see everything low-tech Mosley, Judah, and Maidana threw. Those swingers are about as slick as sandpaper — while Lara is becoming smoother than freshly churned butter.

Floyd is pretty LOW volume himself. Most master boxers don’t like to punch air. It’s high time Floyd met a another master like Lara and Porter.

Posted May 17, 2014 1:06 pm 


Sredmond, you said lara is overrated,I agree with you. How about floyd? corley, gatti, mitchell, weakminded judah, baldomir, part-time boxer odlh, old mosley, slow and green canelo, guerrero, ortiz, 140# at 147 hatton, 135# at 147 jmm (pbf 2# over), maidana! What does that tell you!? Conquests of an overrated fighter, right!? Lol!

Posted May 17, 2014 12:20 pm 


Top Rank is gonna drive their business into the ground by staging constant rematches, the public is voting with their wallets now, no one wants to see another PAC vs Bradley fight and a lot of folk are turned off to a possible 5th Marquez bout reality is the “Cold War” between TR and GBP is hurting Top Rank more.. The last Mayweather card featured Khan, Broner and Khan all guys with serious name recognition if Alvarado somehow gets past Marquez I have no clue how a fight with Manny is sellable at a big level..

Posted May 17, 2014 9:52 am 


Bears says “Mayweather was busted up” what fight were you watching and what post fight presser? You must be confused with Vital Klits being mangled by Lewis because Floyd had a slight cut from a butt that Maidana could not even reopen because he was MISSING.. Busted up? Maidana was getting his head turned around from clean blows to the melon that did not require the input of a Compubox Bean counter to see, I respect Maidanas effort he came to fight but in the end he just helped prove that no matter the circumstances Mayweather has MORE in the tank and he has the will and skill to win during the Championship rounds it was CLEAR who the Champ was! FMJ not Maidana or Compubox

Posted May 17, 2014 9:27 am 


Tark, Lara is being overrated because he beat Trout who was coming off a loss.. Lara has serious talent but also deficiencies he is a LOW volume fighter and Mayweather would see what he has coming, the reason he is not being “talked up” is because he is known mostly to hardcore fans, should he beat Canelo which I don’t think he’s gonna then there might be a discussion.. Everyone wants Floyd because once he’s gone the big Paydays are gonna dry up till the next Superstar is cemented..

Posted May 17, 2014 9:20 am 


HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! Look at ingrates Bears and Squared Circle quoting Compubox, the Bible of Simpletons who don’t know how to watch a fight or how it’s ACTUALLY scored..Maidana was more wrestler than boxer that’s why Floyd Mayweather is NOW Unified Champ in 2 divisions! Maidana is a terrific puncher yet against Mayweather he produced no hurt and certainly no KD’s we can deduce a few things #1 Maidana was landing glancing blows at best, #2 Mayweather has one of the best chins in boxing since you guys REALLY believe Compubox LMAO #3 Maidana really cannot punch?? Truth is that even though Floyd was cut with a butt, Maidana could not capitalize because FMJ took over and shut him down during the last 5 rounds… 46-0 lineal Champ 5 weight classes Unifed Champ 2 divisions consensus P4P # 1, Box Office King FMJ… Kill yourselves

Posted May 17, 2014 9:07 am 


Porter is a real good boxer, and a very strong and hard puncher, and he would be a really dangerous matchup for Floyd… I don’t get why people aren’t talking that fight up for Floyd. Obviously Porter would be ready to rip.. He’s a rapidly improving boxer and puncher who made Malignaggi look like a sub-novice who needed a seeing-eye dog.

Lara is a very quick, slick, and rangy southpaw who is very tricky. Erislandy can nail you with a countershot in the twinkling of an eye. I don’t get why people aren’t talking that fight up for Floyd. Obviously he’d be more than ready to rumble — and would nail Floyd with freaky shots from weird angles… He made Austin Trout look like a hesitant amateur who couldn’t break popcorn.

Posted May 17, 2014 2:49 am 


Boxtradamus GOT SCHOOLED! He’s going to spend the whole night enhancing his wikipedia knowledge. Doesn’t help boxtra! Just be objective and you’ll be enlightened!!! LMFAO!!!

Posted May 17, 2014 1:36 am 

Mike Tyson

Floyd lost the first 5 rounds, even Floyd had to make a excluse he said after he got head butted in the 3? he coudnt see for two rounds. Floyd can’t get over a easy slugger as maidana , he need rematch. LOL.. PAC would run him over. He box pac my axss. he be force to slug and his shoulder roll isn’t of any use. Floyd has no power inside as all boxer. Even porter would run Floyd over. But we will never see the fight

Posted May 17, 2014 12:17 am 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

BEARS: Showstats revealed that Maidana landed more power punches than Floyd (185 to 178) and that FMJ only landed 9 more total punches over 12 rounds.

What’s worth more? Nine feather-fisted, grazing jabs or 7 power shots? That’s a hypothetical question for Boxtra. Dude, maybe you should do those YouTube tutorials to teach him the basic rules and scoring criteria of pro boxing. Frankly bro, I just don’t have the patience for that. I lose my temper with the poor kid due to his arrogance and insults, then end up feeling really guilty about it after I beat him down. See…I’m not such a bad guy after all.

Posted May 16, 2014 11:28 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“thats not really called ‘effectiveness’ thats called “efficiency” boxtra.”

That’s precisely right, Boxtardamus. Percentage of punches landed doesn’t have all that much to do with effectiveness — those percentage stats are really all about efficiency.

Punching effectiveness is all about whether or not the shots landed are clean and do damage (e.g., snapping the head back, busting the guy up, buckling his legs, standing 8 counts, knock downs, etc). Effectiveness is all about the damage and consequences caused by punches. Effectiveness is not based on percentages, like % of total punches landed.

Please learn the difference between basic terms like “effectiveness” and “efficiency” before you rear your thick block head on this ESB and start arguments with guys who know what they’re talking about.

Posted May 16, 2014 11:18 pm 


what i meant below was that compubox only credited floyd with 10 more punches landed than maidana.

and i dont think floyds were more “effective”

Posted May 16, 2014 10:53 pm 


i should start doing some boxing lectures on youtube to help boxtradamus.

Posted May 16, 2014 10:50 pm 


thats not really called “effectiveness” thats called “efficiency” boxtra.

effectiveness is the effect your punches have. ideally hurtful ko producing.

Posted May 16, 2014 10:46 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

You just can’t fix stupid… I mean Boxtardamus.

Posted May 16, 2014 10:45 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

You should STICK to the sports with a scoreboard like B-Ball. Clearly, boxing is NOT for you, simpleton. You can fix stupid! Percentage of punches landed is NOT an indicator of effective defense. It could be that the guy with lower percentage is just not an accurate puncher. So his low percentage cannot be directly attributed to the other guys defensive skills. Does that register in your peanut-sized brain Mr. Bubba Gump???

You didn’t even try to score FMJ vs. MM and you’re arguing the scoring criteria with us. I would bet a thousand dollars that you’ve never scored FMJ vs. Castillo I either. You’ve probably never even bothered to watch the fight. You’re a BIG waste of my time, dude. You could learn a lot from our boxing knowledge, but you’re too closed-minded and stupid. Fat, high and stupid is no way to go through life, son.

Posted May 16, 2014 10:44 pm 


did compubox not credit fraud may with only ten punches landed and given compuboxes margin of error it could be wrong? i think there is some serious bias coming through your posts boxtra. the dude u thought was the goat did not look like much of a goat against a can

Posted May 16, 2014 10:43 pm 


When you land the most clean shots and you land them at a 50% rate that is called EFFECTIVENESS. And landing 25% while eating the most clean shots is called INEFFECTIVE. Thats why every EXPERT and 2 out of the 3 judges have Mayweather WINNING. Like I SAID, go learn more about Boxing and then come back and join US.

Posted May 16, 2014 10:36 pm 


“effectiveness” was not floyd the one busted and bleeding and how was maidana? where do we see “effectiveness” is that subjective bs your babbling.

Posted May 16, 2014 10:30 pm 


nobody is figuring percentages. a judge could not come close to telling u how many punches were thrown let alone landed u schmuck. “percentages” are not in ANYONES mind while a fight is raging. a fight is won on all offense. u cant win a fight if u never throw a punch. deffense alone is not enough to win however offense can be :)

Posted May 16, 2014 10:26 pm 


Bottom line IS that Floyd landed the cleaner shots and was more accurate. Effectiveness is GREATER than Activity therefore Mayweather WINS. Now WHO is next???

Posted May 16, 2014 10:26 pm 


YOU should STICK to the Sports where they have a scoreboard. Boxing isn’t for YOU.

Posted May 16, 2014 10:23 pm 


dude boxtra uses all kinds if alts

Posted May 16, 2014 10:23 pm 


“Percentage of shots landed has NOTHING to do with how fights are scored!!!”-What a Rank AMATEUR. Percentage of shots landed has nothing to DO with Boxing??? Really??? SO how DO you know who is demonstrating better Defense in there???? Percentage of shots landed has nothing to DO with how YOU score a Fight because you don’t know how to score and don’t know what categories to look at when scoring a Boxing match. Maybe you should to the sports where they have a scoreboard. That way it won’t be too complicated for you.

Posted May 16, 2014 10:22 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Keep throwing stones at me from behind the shadows. Can’t insult me with your REAL aliases/handles because you fully well know I’ll tear you a new @$$h0le and humiliate you. I’ll put you in your place and discipline you like a naughty little boy and you know it!

Nothing but a couple of chickensh*t, cowardly c0cksuckers! FU!

Posted May 16, 2014 10:14 pm 


you are not going to see anyone describing what maidana did to mayweather as sucking balls. and you were telling us to take a SEEING CLASS? you were telling us u were a pro this and that. u can not even accurately describe what happened in maidana vs floyd.

Posted May 16, 2014 10:10 pm 


Squared Circle you are an idiot. Those insults are NOT coming from me but you deserve them anyway.

Posted May 16, 2014 10:07 pm 

squared chump

I like Manny’s smile xoxo

Posted May 16, 2014 10:05 pm 

squared chump

I like Manny’s rear view

Posted May 16, 2014 10:05 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Percentage of shots landed has NOTHING to do with how fights are scored!!! And you have the nerve to say I don’t anything about boxing. Do you ever wonder why so many guys on ESB call you names like Boxtardamus and Boxtradumbass??? It’s because you’re a complete and total delusional ret@rd who’s knows almost nothing about boxing — yet claims to know everything. Claims to be some great prophet…lol.

You’re nothing but a running JOKE to everyone on this site, you stupid hard-headed IDIOT!

Posted May 16, 2014 10:04 pm 


They don’t need to SAY it because they can SEE it. And they score it accordingly. Missing 75% of your shots doesn’t look too GOOD unless you’re playing soccer or hockey. 25% in Boxing SUCKS BALLS.

Posted May 16, 2014 9:59 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

sisco: I’m not gonna bother responding to your ret@rded comments until you grow a pair and use your REAL alias/handle when insulting me. Got that you pu$$y @$$ b*tch?

Posted May 16, 2014 9:57 pm 


CORRECTION….over Floyd’s clean shots to the FACE and JAW.

Posted May 16, 2014 9:56 pm 


percentage of shots landed is not a metric by which bouts are scored. generally being more active u look better. judges dont count punch attempt success and failure. they are not calculating compubox. judging a fight is simple and no judge has rver said ” well i scored it the way i did because although fighter A through a lot of punches he missed 35% of them and that just cant be good”

again cracked out posting

Posted May 16, 2014 9:55 pm 


“FMJ also failed to win the “defense” scoring category because of dirty tactics: excessive clinching/holding, illegal shoves & strikes with his elbows and forearms, illegal arm-locks (like MMA overhooks) and headlocks. That’s NOT what’s considered clean defense and that’s why FMJ does not get the advantage in that area.”-YOU know SO little about Boxing that its TOO time consuming for ME to teach YOU what YOU need to know. That’s wny I’ll get straight to the point. Defense is about avoiding punches. NO man is perfect SO since you can’t avoid ALL punches your objective is to avoid the GOOD punches. NO one does that BETTER than Mayweather at the ELITE level. Maidana learned that on May 3rd. Maidana LOST the Defense battle as he got hit with 50% of the shots that he was trying to avoid or didn’t avoid because he doesn’t understand that that’s a part of the scoring. He only landed 25% of his shots SO not only did he LOSE the Defense battle he also LOST the effective aggression battle because 25% is not very effective.

Posted May 16, 2014 9:50 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Boxtardamus: You’ve been riding Lil’ Floyd’s sack so hard (reverse cowgirl style) for so many years, you’re not even capable of scoring one of his fights objectively. You’re the precise definition of a FMJ fan-boy.

Therefore, anything you say about scoring his fights cannot be taken seriously. You’re just a pathetic fan-boy, dude. Might as well be one of his fat b*tches who messages his entire body with hot oil…lol.

Posted May 16, 2014 9:49 pm 


Lol squared lion chump punkass the record books dont support your Bullspit so shut the hell up. I hope you whined as hard after JMM v Pacquiao 3

Posted May 16, 2014 9:46 pm 


JMM has already whipped Manny 4 times

Posted May 16, 2014 9:44 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Castillo totally outworked and outlanded FMJ: 203-157 punches landed. JLC also landed almost THREE TIMES as many power punches: 173-66. I repeat 173-66!!!

Plus JLC totally dominated ring generalship and effective aggression. The entire HBO announcing team (Lederman, Foreman, Merchant and Lampley) scored the fight for JLC.

Floyd lost that fight. Period. You can definitely tell by the worried look on his face right before Buffer read the scores. Go watch it again, Boxtardamus! And this time play close attention, son.

Posted May 16, 2014 9:43 pm 


“MM landed more power punches throughout the fight and dominated in ring generalship and effective aggression.” -Nope. MM landed more power grazes throughout but got hit with the most clean shots in the process. Therefore his ring generalship was POOR as he should have opted to DO something other than what he was DOING. So he loses the Ring generalship, LOSES the most clean shots, and LOSES the Defense category as your supposed to AVOID the most clean shots not TAKE them. SO that equals a LOPSIDED LOSS for Maidana. GOOD try though.

Posted May 16, 2014 9:43 pm 


Sredmond, I agree with you man! Jmm will forever be remembered for his ko victory against an ATG in manny. But believe me, it will go hand in hand as a classic example of a lucky punch. “What to do when you’re in dire straits!?” “Throw your best punch and hope something good might happen!” SAD BUT TRUE! Lol!

Posted May 16, 2014 9:39 pm 


“MM had won at least 4 rounds by the end of the 6th.”-That’s because you don’t know what clean shots ARE. That’s why you scored Castillo over Mayweather and thats why you would score a guy that hits the UNDERNEATH or OUTSIDE of a target over a guy that hits the BULLSEYE. Because you have no idea what you’re looking for.

Posted May 16, 2014 9:39 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“what a cracked out explanation of why maidanas rank jumped up. lol”

Yeah BEARS, that’s some of the most crack put pretzel logic I’ve ever seen on ESB. LMAO

Posted May 16, 2014 9:36 pm 


Nope. What a FACTUAL explanation of why Maidana’s rank jumped UP.

Posted May 16, 2014 9:34 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

MM landed more power punches throughout the fight and dominated in ring generalship and effective aggression. The only area that FMJ won was clean punching, but most of those shots were feather-fisted jabs that barely grazed MM’s face and body.

FMJ also failed to win the “defense” scoring category because of dirty tactics: excessive clinching/holding, illegal shoves & strikes with his elbows and forearms, illegal arm-locks (like MMA overhooks) and headlocks. That’s NOT what’s considered clean defense and that’s why FMJ does not get the advantage in that area.

Posted May 16, 2014 9:33 pm 


Of COURSE Marquez is begging for the Fight. Marquez is a man of Prestige. He doesn’t care about the name he’s Fighting. He cares about the Title. He’s looking at it exactly the SAME way that I would be looking at it. He’s thinking ” What???? The guy that I just knocked out has the title???? Well I KNOW that I SAID that I didn’t want to Fight him anymore because I have the life long satisfactory WIN but I change MY mind. GIVE ME THAT FIGHT SO that I can become CHAMP once again!!!

Posted May 16, 2014 9:33 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“Maidana didn’t WIN more than 4 rounds SO the Judges scores of 117-111 and 116-112 were on the money.” Wrong! You can’t give us your score because you NEVER bother to score fights. You don’t know how, that’s why!

MM had won at least 4 rounds by the end of the 6th. After the fight , Paulie M. said: “the two judges who scored it 117-111 and 116-112 weren’t even watching the fight.” He also said, “the fight could’ve gone either way.”

In reality…if most people thought 117-111 and 116-112 were accurate, there would be absolutely NO NEED for a rematch. But FMJ readily agreed to a rematch right after the fight.

Posted May 16, 2014 9:23 pm 


what a cracked out explanation of why maidanas rank jumped up. lol

Posted May 16, 2014 9:17 pm 


Of COURSE he’s begging for the a Fight. Marquez is a man of Honor and Prestige. He doesn’t care about names he cares about the Title. The way he’s looking at it is the same way I would be looking at it. “What???? The guy that I just knocked out is the New CHAMP???? Hey I SAID that I would never Fight him again because I’m satisfied with my WIN but now I change MY mind. I WANT THAT FIGHT!!!”

Posted May 16, 2014 9:16 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

“that’s what everyone was saying before III and IV during which Pacquiao* was convincingly outboxed and decisively KTFO.”

JMM is going to be 41 1/2 going on 42-years-old if there’s to be a 5th fight. So age will most likely be a factor. PacMan was convincingly beating JMM and had bloodied his nose and mouth before that one shot. But let’s make something 100% clear: Pac walked right into that shot and it was the most PERFECT punch JMM ever landed throughout his entire career. JMM would NOT be able to duplicate that shot in a hundred years. In reality, Pac is the one who offered JMM a 5th fight shortly after the 4th and it was JMM who declined and said he would never fight him again. Now look who’s begging for the fight.

Posted May 16, 2014 9:11 pm 


Maidana did GOOD by throwing a bunch of shots that would have gobbled UP a LESSER man and the EXPERTS can SEE that. Thats why his ranking has gone UP. Just TOO bad for HIM that he wasn’t facing a Lesser Man. He was facing the GOAT. Therefore his GREAT effort was all for naught as he still took a lopsided LOSS. Again, bring that same effort vs
a LESSER man he’ll go home with the WIN….Try not to be like Cotto and De la Hoya who came with a LESSER effort in their next Fights due to mental letdown from LOSING to the BEST. Let the LOSS inspire you and take you to another level like Canelo DID.

Posted May 16, 2014 9:05 pm 


Castillo didn’t beat Mayweather either. You just can’t score a Boxing match CAN you??? Learn how to look for clean shots. Activity is LESSER than effectiveness.

Posted May 16, 2014 8:54 pm 


if maidana did no good against mayweather his did he jump so high in everyones rankings? riddle me that boxy. moreover, we STILL need your score for the fight! you keep self-aggrandizing how awesome you are when it comes to a “all things boxing” but your pu$$y footin around and not putting your round by round score on the board. here i was thinkin u were a pro when it came to “all things boxing”


Posted May 16, 2014 8:51 pm 


CORRECTION on previous post. ..where that Judge doesn’t have to DO the counting…

Posted May 16, 2014 8:50 pm 


The Results tell ME that Marquez is BETTER. Pacquiao is better in Spurts but the consistently BETTER Fighter is Marquez. Thats why he WON more rounds. And thats also why he owns the Only DOMINANT WIN in the series. There is only ONE WIN that is indisputable in that series and Marquez has it. Enough SAID. Pacquiao knows this whether YOU know it or not. Thats why he’s licking his chops to try and redeem himself.

Posted May 16, 2014 8:49 pm 


Maidana didn’t WIN more than 4 rounds SO the Judges scores of 117-111 and 116-112 were on the money. The Judge that scored it a draw needs to be immediately FIRED or demoted to Timer and Bell Ringer. Let him DO something where he have to DO the counting.

Posted May 16, 2014 8:44 pm 


pax > jmm simple as that. the tape does not lie. the odds makers generally have a decent grasp on things. u can futilely try to talk jmm up and in taking a look at their fights as i said pac clearly rises as the better fighter. NOBODY walks around calling jmm better. nuf said

Posted May 16, 2014 8:42 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Maidana definitely beat FMJ (115-114) and so did Jose Luis Castillo. Floyd was gifted those two crooked home-cooked decisions because he was fighting in his own backyard (Vegas) and he has tremendous influence in that city. What do you think the results of those two fights would’ve been if they were held in Argentina and Mexico without American refs and judges??? Floyd’s an ATG and HOFer, but his REAL record is 44-2.

Boxtardamus: If you’re claiming FMJ easily won that fight, what was your score???

Posted May 16, 2014 8:37 pm 


IF you thought that Maidana beat Mayweather then YOU just exposed yourself as a Rank AMATEUR. Almost every EXPERT on the Planet scored it for Mayweather. SO please learn more about Boxing SO that YOU can join US.

Posted May 16, 2014 8:36 pm 


After I watched the first half I stopped scoring it because Maidana couldnt put any GOOD shots together. Mayweather landed 99% of the GOOD shots in the bout. It wasn’t even CLOSE when you score it by rounds. He should have negotiated that they score the Fight as a WHOLE instead of by rounds that way he could have taken home a closer LOSS.

Posted May 16, 2014 8:33 pm 


Marquez had WON more rounds vs Pacquiao than Pacquiao WON against him coming INTO the Fight SO Marquez landing his counter punches was NO fluke. YOU must not have LOOKED at the Fights that’s why I told you to take you a LOOKING class. All Marquez needed was to add some more MUSTARD to his Punches and Pacquiao was VERY predictably DONE. After Mayweather took Marquez to SCHOOL I advised Marquez to get him a Strength and Conditioning Coach like Pacquiao, Jones, and Hopkins DID IF he wanted to Fight at WW again and he heeded MY advice. As SOON as he DID I knew
it was just a matter of time before Marquez knocked Pacquiao out and thats why I predicted it. …..Pacquiao just cannot avoid Marquez’s right hand. Before the 3rd Fight Roach was on Face OFF telling Max how Pacquiao was going to avoid Marquez’s right hand and they focused on it during training camp but come Fight night Pac’s head was still going back and forth like a BOBBLE head from that right hand. I reiterated that Marquez has get more MUSTARD on his Punches SO that the 3 blind MICE have NO say SO in who the WINNER is and he DID that. I even TOLD Hecdog that Manny was going to get knocked out because Marquez let the World know before the 4th Fight that he felt ” forget SKILLS because I already HAVE those. Im training for POWER. The idiot Judges keep robbing ME. But they won’t ROB me THIS time.” Hecdog didn’t listen before the bout but SOON after the bout and forever after he has claimed that Marquez has TOO much Power….Well no DUH. Thats what he trained for. The body is a wonderful thing. There are alot of things that you can DO with it IF you simply train to DO it.

Posted May 16, 2014 8:29 pm 


mayweather lost the first half of the fight please tell us how scored it boxtra. all rounds to mayweather? tell us your round by round score. mayweather got taken by a can dude. maidana took out both broner and mayweather talk about AWESOME. maidana might not be that good but excels at smoking CLOWNS! the clown KILLA!!!

Posted May 16, 2014 8:24 pm 


And Maidana didn’t own Mayweather. Go take you a LOOKING class. Maidana couldn’t land a hurtful legal shot for 12 rounds. Throwing double the shots and still landing LESS shots is called NON effective agression. Its also called SUPERIOR Defense. SO Mayweather already WON 3 categories when you also add IN that he landed the cleaner more effective shots. It takes at least 2 grazing shots to equal one clean punch maybe even 3. Maidana came no where CLOSE to WINNING his best shot was to gain 3 more pounds SO that he could beat SKILLS with SIZE but he fell short there TOO. Should have come to ESB and read more of MY posts about SKILLS vs SIZE. A 17 lb advantage is NOT enough. Close but NO cigar.

Posted May 16, 2014 8:11 pm 


CORRECTION… OR Marquez will knock him out once again..

Posted May 16, 2014 8:03 pm 


As I SAID right after the bout, IF Marquez lands the same shots that Pillow Powered Bradley landed then it will be another knockout for Marquez. Marquez is a precision puncher IF you present him with a target. Pacquiao agrees with ME on that. He’d better turn down the rematch OR Box VERY safely the next time vs Marquez will knock him out once again. He has 3 times the power of Bradley. IF Pacquiao was lightly shaken UP vs Bradley then Marquez will have him shaking on the canvas. I’d rather not SEE a GREAT go out like that.

Posted May 16, 2014 8:02 pm 


Manny has the victory that stands out, these guys fought 18 times because prior bouts were RAZOR thin with JMM winning more rounds thru the first 3 bouts and Manny ekeing by on KD’s after he got BLASTED the most enduring memory will always be Manny motionless on his grill with his wife praying to Buddha that the guy was not dead..No judges necessary FACTS

Posted May 16, 2014 8:01 pm 


Everyone who knows the landscape of boxing knows Manny needs JMM to possible generate sales including his promoter who SAID SO, Bradley 2 underperformed and Marquez is the only guy who might get Manny near the 1 mill mark (a real stretch) in the Top Rank Stable if Alvarado wins that fight would do terrible numbers because Mike does not draw.. Absent Marquez it’s back to Macau for Manny. FACTS

Posted May 16, 2014 7:58 pm 


i dont think jmm’s counterpunch overtakes all the boxing boxed up tothat point. pac out boxes and drops jmm routinely. its the motiff. the aberration is the counter jmm landed. the aberration is jmm’s muscle mass gain. my momey is on pac dominating jmm im a rematch and alvarado softening/ripening jmm up.

its no wonder guys like SREDMOND are already claiming a pac win could mean nothing over jmm. its revealing. pac has always been better anyway and the most likely scenario is always a pac win against jmm. sredmonds always been a turd always will be. the utter bs that comes outta his mouth. he wants to forget a can named maidana owned mayweather

Posted May 16, 2014 7:54 pm 


Tark, Manny is hardly “better than ever” facing a punching bag like Rios coming direct off a loss was a rehab fight that he was positioned to win.. Beating Bradley for a second time was a very good win that said watching Pacquaio get shaken by a light puncher like Bradley and being countered so often early in the bout are troubling signs that even Freddy Roach mentioned when he said Manny looked slower..Pacs an ATG but he is NOT better than ever and it will be interesting to see him in the ring with someone who can punch with decent speed..

Posted May 16, 2014 7:51 pm 


theres no way to tell if jmm is on the stuff but his body has transformed. he would have to get popped on a test and as long as u post cycle therapy right and get your labs checked before test time to confirm your cool your fine. if your not fine Nd u will pop on a test, fake an injury postpone a few weeks.

Posted May 16, 2014 7:45 pm 


Guys dissing Marquez are just bitter because he knocked Manny cold.. Face it, it happened and it was
Epic!!! PAC Man has had a serious ATG career but no one can take away the quality of Marquez victory and the courage and grit it took to RAM that right hand down Mannys throat..Because this rivalry is so overplayed and JMM is an old fighter, PAC cannot retake the play..

Posted May 16, 2014 7:44 pm 


Oracle of Delphi… “Marquez is abusing steroids or PEDs at least at the legal limits or in the grey zone.” … WTF are you talking about?

There are no legal limits for steroids or PEDs. You can’t take them period. JMM is clean and doesn’t take a damned thing that’s illegal. He did drink pee because some idiot said it would make him stronger. The last guy he did that for was Floyd, but a more knowedgeable strength trainer wised JMM up. It’s not illegal to drink pee … it’s just really stupid.

Some guys would eat Brillo Pads if they thought it would help them win.

Posted May 16, 2014 7:23 pm 

The oracle of Delphi

K.C., love your comment on Marquez, PEDs and urine. I wonder what his blood urea level and protein equivalent of total nitrogen appearance (PNA) are. Anyhow, no doubt he is abusing steroids or PEDs at least at the legal limits or in the grey zone. He has an excellent chemist and “nutritionist” as his fitness trainer…

Posted May 16, 2014 6:54 pm 


The KO loss didn’t do anything to Pacquiao.. He didn’t have a world championship to lose and now he has his 10th or 12th world championship over 8 weight divisions.

Manny is a better boxer than ever. One thing you learn from getting embalmed for 10 minutes … don’t get hit.

As far as Roy Jones goes.. He got what was coming to him because he ducked Tarver for years.. Antonio was tired of all Roy’s justifications for his poor showing in their previous fight.., He said, “Are you gonna have any excuses tonight Roy?”

Posted May 16, 2014 5:56 pm 


why would a 5th ranked title-less jmm get any leverage in negotiation with pac? as if he gets the big cut or chooses where the fights at or chooses anything for that matter. te tumbo you have to relize the rest of the boxing world is not motivated by hate for pac. some of your posts come off strait delusional with your expectations

Posted May 16, 2014 5:40 pm 


how does pac owe jmm anything? pac smoked bradley twice who smoked jmm. pac pretty much aleays looked to be the better boxer than jmm dumping him to the canvas how many times now? and 3 times in one round. i would say pac oretty much specializes in dumping jmm on his a$$. did he come out in fight 4 and do it again round one? thats what i thought.

Posted May 16, 2014 5:36 pm 


was it fight 3 where jmm got dumped 3 times in the first round? fight shoulda been stopped

Posted May 16, 2014 5:31 pm 


jmm is ranked 5th behind bradley and even maidana now. apparently rafael is subconsciously indicating maidana wooped frauds a$$.

Posted May 16, 2014 5:29 pm 


SREDMOND must be belittleing pac since his boy got smoked by a can named maidana. pac never lost to someone that utterly bad iterms onjust strait boxing after he peaked especially not to a can.

pac smoking bradley was awesome. did it twice and lets not forget bradley smoked jmm. bradley would have a good chance to beat fraud may it seems to me i mean maidana beat fraud.

pax probably did too much sparring with provodnikov. it does not matter pac has pretty much clearly showed to be the better fighter tnan jmm when they fight. he was woopin jmm prior to one big shot.

moreover, noone on earth is gonna call jmm better than pac and no red blooded boxing fan would say mayweather has accomplished more than pac. pac is simply greater than both. i thought everyone knew that. thats why oac won fighter of the decade. and since smokes bradley twice while fraud may fights ortiz, guerrero, and maidana. did i say fraud fought? i meant fraud participated in the circus.

Posted May 16, 2014 5:21 pm 


Marquez may have the edge cause he drinks his own urine. He test positive for urea due to his high urine intake plus he’s on peds……

Posted May 16, 2014 5:19 pm 


Sorry Amor, that was nobody’s “lucky punch” it was a missle aimed at the skull of a reckless Pacquaio which is what should happen when a boxer leaves himself open… Dream on, the Old Man used years of training to catch and dispatch PAC and produce one of the greatest KOs of an elite fighter in boxing history!

Posted May 16, 2014 5:14 pm 


“Square Circle” Pacquaio beating a 41 year old Marquez is not gonna impress me much at all assuming they even get to that stage.. After 10 years Manny has two razor thin wins, they had a draw and then Marquez put his stamp on the rivalry by literally rendering PAC unconscious, even Mannys KO of Hatton does not rival the malevolent nature of Marquez death blow.. Chasing an. OLD azz Marquez looking for redemption does not fly when JMM took Manny out of boxing for a year and changed him as a fighter..

Posted May 16, 2014 5:10 pm 

Left Hook

man dis guy squared circle knows boxing inside n out. ive spent time in comment sections on da other sites like, boxing news 24, fight saga, boxing scene, and boxing news….i never seen anything like dis boy. whoever he is dude must be a fighter or trainer or somethin…..u guys should listen up cuz u can learn alot from him

Posted May 16, 2014 3:40 pm 

te tumbo

take it from K.C. when it comes to guzzling from man-on-tap, he’s the expert.

Posted May 16, 2014 3:37 pm 


Marquez may have the edge cause he drinks his own urine. He test positive for urea due to his high urine intake plus he’s on peds….

Posted May 16, 2014 3:29 pm 

te tumbo

“If JMM fights PacMan again he’ll get thoroughly outboxed and probably busted up”? that’s what everyone was saying before III and IV during which Pacquiao* was convincingly outboxed and decisively KTFO. something that a prime Pacquiao* has been unable to do even once. face it: Pacquiao* is as dense, predictable, and one-dimensional as a brick. he also doesn’t Reeeeally want to face Marquez again. othewise, he would follow Marquez’s example and NOT insist on pre-fight conditions that would sabotage their bout from happening, e.g., Marquez offered to fight Pacquiao* in Mexico and Pacquiao* declined. he then responds by trying to dictate Marquez’s purse-split as if Marquez was the fighter who was planted face-first into the canvas(?!). Btw, why aren’t Pacquiao’s* fanboys boasting of Manny’s* recent PPV numbers?

Posted May 16, 2014 3:25 pm 


The 36 year old Paquiao looked conspicuously mortal while giving Bradley a boxing lesson.

Posted May 16, 2014 3:02 pm 


Sredmond, do you think jmm will be honored if his knockout win over manny will forever be remembered as a “classic example of a lucky punch”? They’ll say “when you’re in dire straits, just throw your best punch, something good MIGHT happen”! Lol!

Posted May 16, 2014 2:46 pm 


Squared-Circle has the beat and especially about Ali-Norton…Ali got two decisions he might not have deserved, but they’re wins on paper…the power of the Ali name and charisma, you see…

Posted May 16, 2014 2:09 pm 


Some of these guys are still arguing about Pacquiao and Marquez? Pacman is 35/36 and only has a handful of fights left and Marquez is around 40 with even less time left!! If Pacman has indeed changed his style, so what? He’s a legendary fighter by now and JMM is another ring warrior. I’ll pick Marquez to get past Alvarado and set up Pacman-JMM instalment number 5.

Posted May 16, 2014 2:02 pm 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

SREDMOND: You can foam at the mouth all you want, but this is the deal. If JMM fights PacMan again he’ll get thoroughly outboxed and probably busted up. And the official record on the series will become 3-1-1. Most people will remember that PacMan dominated the last fight and only lost 1 out of 5.

Does anyone remember that Ali unofficially lost to Norton twice — if not three times??? Nope! They only remember that Ali lost to Norton once, but won the trilogy according to the record books. I rest my case, son.

Posted May 16, 2014 12:56 pm 


Turdo….I hope this doesn’t hit you where you live,but,JMM dyes his beard and eyebrows……

Posted May 16, 2014 12:05 pm 


You got a point there Turdo.JMM lost to Bradley on a S/D….and Bradley lost to Pacquioa on a U/D…..What was the point again……….

Posted May 16, 2014 11:58 am 


Guys wake up and stop dreaming, Pacquiao is a Great fighter but he is NEVER gonna get back what he lost by possibly beating OLDER and OLDER versions of Marquez! At the tail end of his 30’s Marquez forever changed the way Manny fights and made him leery of getting drilled, the old PAC was fearless and had complete faith in his chin, post JMM KO he has pulled back against Rios and Bradley at times.. Marquez is REALLY long in the tooth now despite his career Greatness and prebooking a “Manny Win” not gonna provide absolution anymore than astute fight fans think that RJJ vs Hopkins II represented the reality of both boxers careers as RJJ was beyond toast and coming off a KO loss… Face it the relevant and definitive win of the rivalry will ALWAYS belong to JMM even of Manny stops him once per year for the next 20 years..

Posted May 16, 2014 11:53 am 

The Truth

The only fight worthy of PPV for Top Rank…..Man that sucks.

Posted May 16, 2014 11:08 am 

te tumbo

the 36-year-old Pacquiao* looked conspicuously mortal and beatable v. Bradley. particularly during the first five rounds when he seemed to fatigue and needed a second-wind to salvage that win. that version of Pacquiao* is brutalized by the version of Marquez who barely-lost to Bradley. no size advantage or disadvantage in that matchup.

Posted May 16, 2014 10:13 am 

te tumbo

Marquez WILL take some good shots. he always does. the big difference is that they’ve become welter-caliber shots. Marquez is always looking to score and counter but he needs to tighten-up his defense if he’s going to insist on campaigning as a 40-something welter. otherwise and IMO, Marquez doesn’t have the reach or legs to effectively pursue and tag bigger fighters. conversely, it remains to be seen whether Alvarado has the size, legs, Aaand skills to exploit these advantages.

Posted May 16, 2014 10:11 am 

Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. LionKing)

Keep dreamin’ JMM! There’s almost no way he can beat PacMan at 41-years-old. My prediction for a 5th fight is that Pac would clearly outbox him and bust him up — at least a little bit.

Alot of guys are writing Alvarado off as poor boxer who doesn’t belong in the same ring with JMM, but this fight could put some mileage on the old man. I think JMM will win it, but not as easy as many think. Mike considers this a must-win fight, so will put everything on the line to try to get the win. Chances are…JMM is going to take some good shots.

Posted May 16, 2014 9:57 am 

The Mad Scientist

I find it funny how some of this clowns keep crying about Marquez ducking Provo and they wont give Juan credit if he beats Alvarado..somehow these same clown praise Manny Pacquiao’s wins over Hatton, Cotto and Margarito being one fight removed from the worse losses of their career (and further compromised with catch weights at that)..I guess being nearly 41 years old on the down side of your career and spotting a naturally bigger guy an extra 3lbs who is a pretty good fighter is nothing to be impressed about if you win big against him..

Posted May 16, 2014 9:49 am 

te tumbo


Posted May 16, 2014 9:20 am 


El Turdo…I indulge in all kind of typo…..Yep that 2 week education sure helped a lot…

Posted May 16, 2014 8:43 am 


All of these two fighters have given us great fights….JMM is certainly a fighter who should be admired,especially as his ambitions still burn bright….I hope he wins this one and wins big, it will set him up for Pacq. I certainly would not miss that..They always give their all and for those who say it’s not worth watching when did they ever give a boring fight…..To the true boxing fan this is a must……….

Posted May 16, 2014 5:44 am 

The Mad Scientist

Cant wait for this fight, I’ll be at the forum for this one..

Posted May 16, 2014 3:20 am 

te tumbo

“missed a coma or two, dead give away” i indulge in all kinds of typos and errors on ESB message boards. no big. it’s my boxing not scholarly voice i’m exercising and my boxing voice says Marquez takes a big risk every time he steps in v. full-sized welters. the physics simply don’t favor him, which doesn’t mean he won’t win. it just means that the entire scenario has a quixotic feel to it. not unlike when he was pursuing Pacquiao* . . . and scored the #1 KO in Boxing History.

Posted May 16, 2014 12:50 am 

te tumbo

even now, Marquez is not above reckless bravado or neglect. most of the KDs he’s experienced could have been avoided IF he wasn’t conditioned to believe that HIS punches are the ones to be avoided. all it’s taken is momentary instances of this type of bravado for Marquez to be tagged and decked. even Bradley almost collected his own KD during the final seconds of their bout. Alvarado hits harder. Marquez needs to emphasize ducking a bit more if he’s going to insist on campaigning(?!) as a 40-something welterweight.

Posted May 16, 2014 12:44 am 

not te tumbo

missed a coma or two, dead give away.

Posted May 16, 2014 12:42 am 

te tumbo

. . . on the other hand, if Alvarado does oblige Marquez’s crunching inside game, it becomes Marquez’s fight to win.

Posted May 16, 2014 12:36 am 

te tumbo

it’s not about speed or skills. the equalizer is that Marquez IS NO WELTERWEIGHT. he’s proportionately smaller from the floor up. his bulk is only and advantage when an opponent obliges his inside game. otherwise, Katsidis dropped Marquez and how much better is he than Alvarado? . . . at 147lbs?

Posted May 16, 2014 12:33 am 

Mike Alvarado

He sounds a bit punchy, not a good sign, too many punches.

Posted May 16, 2014 12:31 am 


Alvarado doesn’t have the Speed to bother JMM…Simple.

Posted May 16, 2014 12:30 am 


Like TARK already said Mike was outboxed by B Prescott & he was forced to go for the KO, so Juan’s age & “lunging” tendencies won’t be tested & LIKE I SAID, with one eye looking left & the other looking right, Mike will be fighting TWO Marquez & he won’t know which one’s hitting him…

Posted May 16, 2014 12:22 am 

poor pacturds

Marquez the 40+ year old flat footed Mexican that KTFO of Manny. He got Mannys game down packed side step him coming in and counter, if they fight again Manny will get dropped. Bradley was countering nice except he has no power nor stamina. Floyd would beat Pac easy if Marquez was able to do that. Nothing lucky about getting dropped twice Manny got his ass whopped that night.

Posted May 16, 2014 12:19 am 


JMM is getting old and looks it. Alvarado struggles to make 140 and looks like he has struggled when you see him weighing in. Tough fight to pick. I may go with Alvarado only because he is younger, has a decent chin and can punch a bit.

Posted May 16, 2014 12:14 am 

te tumbo

i see too many posters disregarding the fundamental physical mismatch(?). IMO, in Alvarado’s favor and Marquez doesn’t look to poised or masterful when he recklessly lunges/stumbles forward jaw-first, trying to reach an elusive opponent. in fact, it happened just one moment before he LEVELED Pacquiao* as if by sniper rifle but not every opponent is gonna as predictable and one-dimensional as Pacquiao*. who even after being Busted-Up, outPunched, and convincingly outBoxed by Marquez, could not avoid Marquez’s most successful punch throughout their rivalry and the DEVASTATING KO loss. anyway, i think Marquez prevails in exchanges but Alvarado will provide him with a serious chin-check. would not be surprised if Marquez was bounced on his culo once again. that’s just what happens whenever Marquez recklessly lunges/stumbles forward jaw-first, trying to reach an elusive opponent.

Posted May 16, 2014 12:02 am 


BEARS, I see your English has gotten a lot better, congratulations…

Posted May 15, 2014 11:56 pm 

Tomato Can

Alvarado’s going to get countered hard. This will be the forth fight in a row where a Mike will take a lot of damage.

Posted May 15, 2014 11:54 pm 


Marquez is old but Mike won’t be able to take advantage of it, like Tim did, because he’s shop-worn & his eyes are already looking in different directions…

Posted May 15, 2014 11:51 pm 



Posted May 15, 2014 11:48 pm 


Was a coke d up slapper

Posted May 15, 2014 11:47 pm 

Rick ross


Posted May 15, 2014 11:45 pm 

Too Good

Calzaghe beat them all, 46-0, no argument, beat them all…

Posted May 15, 2014 11:35 pm 


woop woop JMM is going to bust up Mike

Posted May 15, 2014 11:35 pm 


jmm does not have the footwork or movement. his body mass will be right there for alvarado to bang on. they will exchange blows. no way jmm puts a boxing clinic on. this will be banging. its not like jmm will be bouncing around on his toes doing things completely out of his character. their obviously gonna be exchanging in give and take. i would think thats obvious when looking at these guys stylistically. show me the tape of the last 5 years of jmm that indicates masterful dominant boxing clinic is coming against alvarado. please

Posted May 15, 2014 11:06 pm 


Pacquiao made 2 horrendous mistakes in Marquez IV… He pulled back from a looping, swinging right… and he took a tremendous leap in with a wild right hook missing completely — right flying right into the apex of a short right hand.

It was one of the 2 hardest shots fired in the last decade. The idea that Marquez is going to land another shot like that is beyond silly. Nowadays Pacquiao is going for speed, speed, and more speed… Marquez is slow and getting slower.

Posted May 15, 2014 10:51 pm 


Iman.., “Lets not disregard Alvarado here, he is s big ww and can box a little, if he sticks to boxing Marquez and not be baited into exchanges where he can get countered he can win IMHO”

Let’s be serious… Mike never beat anybody by boxing him except Rios. Even Brendis Prescott was outboxing Alvarado and Mike had to go after him to finish him.

The only thing Alvarado has going is Marquez’s age.. He’s the oldest 5-dvision fighter I’ve ever seen in my life.. His reflexes looked slow against Bradley.

Posted May 15, 2014 10:38 pm 

The oracle of Delphi

Marquez cheated to beat Pac, I am pretty sure. There is no way that 2-3 months training made him to the monster he was against Pac. He was slow as molasses but had a lot of power. He had Pac like that before but never dropped or knocked him out. I very sure he cheated.
I am not sure if Pac ever cheated, I think he didn’t…

Posted May 15, 2014 10:30 pm 


Marquez should outbox Alvarado without too much trouble.

Alvarado is about even with Rios — a very poor boxer.

But Pacquiao is going to box rings around Marquez if they fight again. Marquez will look 3 times as strong as Pac — but that didn’t help Bradley when Manny started boxing Timmy’s face off. Manny did a masterful job as usual.

Posted May 15, 2014 10:28 pm 

Thurmal Underwear

mike alvarado is a B level fighter. Cut the sh!t already.

Posted May 15, 2014 10:26 pm 


alvarado will definitely put wear and tare on jmm. ripen him for pacman to perform the final coup de grat. jmm is asking for it too!!!!!

prediction: jmm looks bad against alvarado and takes too much punishment. pacmAn eliminates all doubts in the historic final meeting in pacman vs jmm and dominates jmm just as he was doing out of the gate i. the last fight. jmm squandering his sweet victory in a bitter loss.

dudes like te tumbo miserably trying to hold one to that one fight result that pac lays to rest. futilely and embittered te tumbo repeats himself over and over sredmond style but to no avail. even going as far to type a million asterisks behind pacmans name, te tumbos post fall on deaf ears because the eyes of the fight fan DONT LIE SON!

TE TUMBO how u doin son?

Posted May 15, 2014 9:39 pm 


alvarado is a warrior. but with that picture of him below he looks like he might be boozin and druggin. i called him to win the rematch and get the upset.

he more than hung in with provodnikov and that alone gets him respect and warrior status. i would be remiss if i did not say i wish this fight was provodnikov vs jmm though.

i hope the same alvarado that banged with provodnikov shows up. this fight has a good chance of being fireworks if u ask me. jmm is always willing to go toe to toe and toe to toe is alvarados style. i look for a good’un in jmm vs alvarado. a must see

Posted May 15, 2014 9:31 pm 


Groves has a broken hand, sparring injury, fight has to be rescheduled, 4-6 weeks.

Posted May 15, 2014 9:21 pm 

B Red

Alvarado is a C level fighter, Juan takes him to school.

Posted May 15, 2014 9:10 pm 


Another Mexican on PEDS and test positive for drinking his own urine…

Posted May 15, 2014 8:36 pm 


I hope Alvarado wins, these are not the droids we’re looking for, move along!

Posted May 15, 2014 8:23 pm 

te tumbo

if Alvarado charges Marquez, edge to “Dinamita”. if Alvarado executes the fight-plan he used to defeat Rios, the pendulum swings in Alvarado’s favor. tagging a fellow feather-welter like Pacquiao* has never been a problem for Marquez. otherwise, Marquez experiences difficulty with stretching his little crocodile arms far enough to consistently tag an elusive and full-size welter like Alvarado. intriguing matchup that Marquez didn’t need IF it wasn’t the first objective of his new mission and no one can underestimate Marquez on a mission. just ask “The Napman*” Pacquiao*.

Posted May 15, 2014 8:21 pm 


Alvarado is a tough guy but you need waaaaay more than toughness to beat a masterful counter puncher like the legend that is JMM. Anybody who disses Marquez is an idiot, anybody who truely loves the sport and has followed Marquez’ career knows that he is a true student of the game. The man is a complete professional but these fan-boys like to purposely taint decipline and hard work with empty accusations. Marquez has never tested posotive for anything substance period.

Posted May 15, 2014 7:53 pm 


If Marquez knock out Alvarado, the Pacquiao fight will sold over million PPV buys, If Alvarado win, the Pacquiao fight will be at Macau, will not make million PPV but Venetian Hotel Casino will cover the the rest, Manny still can still earn $20M minimum. I’m excited about this fight because of the implication after the fight. whoever win is fine by me, my heart goes to Alvarado but my money goes to Marquez.

Posted May 15, 2014 7:50 pm 


And the results are in the case of Manny vs. Marquez you got KTFO man gimme back my dam money….lol

Posted May 15, 2014 7:48 pm 


Hidas$hole, STFU.

Posted May 15, 2014 7:15 pm 

Thurmal Underwear


Hecdog – Speaking of “crying and whining”, when are you gonna stop “crying and whining” about Marquez putting your idol to sleep?? When are you gonna man up and quit your belly aching?

^when manny has his belly on hecdog’s back, then the belly aching will cease.

Posted May 15, 2014 6:39 pm 


Hecdog – Speaking of “crying and whining”, when are you gonna stop “crying and whining” about Marquez putting your idol to sleep?? When are you gonna man up and quit your belly aching?

Posted May 15, 2014 6:14 pm 


Marquez looked ripped when he dropped Manny be was muscled up probably juiced. Manny no doubt juiced himself in the past so fair is fair. Marquez schooled him in there last fight. He is looking to fight Manny again which should be interesting i wouldnt pay to see it though Mannys beast days are long gone he looked very mediocre against Bradley nothing specail actually they both looked old and winded a bit. Marquez is another c-level fighter at best…

Posted May 15, 2014 6:14 pm 


Lets not disregard Alvarado here, he is s big ww and can box a little, if he sticks to boxing Marquez and not be baited into exchanges where he can get countered he can win IMHO

Posted May 15, 2014 5:56 pm 

The Truth

Top Rank fight cards suck ass.

Posted May 15, 2014 5:44 pm 

Chicago guy

if Marquez win the fight against Alvarado a fifth encounter with Pacq1uiao is possible but Alvarado is not an easy opponent.

Posted May 15, 2014 5:41 pm 


It’s funny when people think a classic example of a “lucky” punch is mistaken into a classic example of a perfect knockout. The knockout is more of a reminder of lewis/rahman 1 than a hearns/duran. LMFAO!

Posted May 15, 2014 5:39 pm 


I am not sure who needs who , but I would not mind seeing them fight each other again. I might even go to it depending on where and when they fight again? why not? the first 4 fights were great.

Posted May 15, 2014 5:32 pm 

The Truth

Marquez will go down as pacmans kryptonite.All of their fights controversial accept the last one.PACs loyal fans “Delusional’will say Marquez needs him when really it’s the other way around.Honestly who needs to watch that matchup again.

Posted May 15, 2014 5:17 pm 


Bradley beat him easily.

Posted May 15, 2014 5:13 pm 


Marquez will go down as a true great but the longer he goes on is a concern. Agree with those who say he should have retired on a high after the KO win over Pacquiao.

Posted May 15, 2014 4:34 pm 

Hecdog give it a rest

And get pacquiao’s nuts out of your mouth

Posted May 15, 2014 4:28 pm 


Ped Man Marquez is trying to make himself relevant by hoping to get a shot a 5th world title should he get by Mike Alvarado. Ped Man Marquez has left a legacy for himself that will always be tarnished. His specific hiring of Angel Hereida, well known PED SUpplier to the uSA Olympic Track and Field Team is well documented, and so is his denial to reporters saying he knew nothing about Hereida only to change his story a few days later. Ped Man Marquez came into that 5th fight looking like the HULK and everyone saw it. Sinc ethat fight, Ped Man Marquez has done nothing. He was clearly beaten by a young Timothy Bradley. And as always, we all heard the usual complaining, crying and whining about how he was robbed of a victory for the 6th time. The man is a classic cry baby that never admitted to defeat even when it was obvious to all fans. Ped Man Marquez was no where on the map until Manny Pacquiao came onto the scene. Manny Pacquiao, the greatest pure fighter of all time should have been thanked by Ped Man Marquez for everything he has earned in the sport because without Manny Pacquiao, there would never be a Juan Manuel “Ped Man Marquez.” The same couldn’t be said about Manny Pacquiao because his career speaks for itself. Ped Man Marquez is a fighter trying to hang on. He’s old, and the commissions have been keeping a close eye on him since his last fight with Manny Pacquiao. Interesting to see him without all these muscles. Interesting to see him taking a good beating by Bradley. Interesting to see him tell the world how he would never fight Manny Pacquiao again. He said this over and over until he woke up one day and realized that without Manny Pacquiao, he is nothing but just another fighter. No one was after him to showcase big fights. Provodinkov challenegd him over and over, but Ped Man wanted no part of him. I wonder why? Provodnikov would have derailed him quickly. And now Ped Man Marquez realizes that the only way he can make any real money and be relevant again is to fight Manny Pacquiao. This from the same guy that promised his family numerous times that he would never fight Manny Pacquiao again. He was going to go out on top. Pride always comes before the fall, and IF Ped Man Marquez beats Alvarado, and he should because there is no testing (unbelievable to have no testing and allow Hereida to use his special mix without question), he will then get what he deserves in a possible fight with the legendary Manny Pacquiao. Is the 5th fight too much, probably, but as a Manny Pacquiao fan, I want to see Manny get his revenge as he did against Timothy Bradley. The only difference is that Bradley has a lot more class than Ped Man Marquez ever will. Those who have a big ego and hang on a bit too long end up like past good and great fighters. I don’t have to name them because most of them follow the same trail of disaster. Ped Man Marquez is heading right down that same road, and I will be celebrating once the great Manny Pacquiao services Ped Man Marquez justice. Manny Pacquiao will show his greatness, trust me on this. Manny is the best!

Posted May 15, 2014 3:49 pm 

Eman Sr.

Marquez is one helluva fighter. He got Pac’s number. Pac’s legacy is now the perfect photo of him face down on the canvas with Marquez on the neutral corner waiting for him to get up. Pac was pwned big big time by JMM.

Posted May 15, 2014 3:47 pm 


As i stated before, Marquez not a factor in the wwt. division….it’s time to call it a day

Posted May 15, 2014 3:42 pm 


4coronas, it wasn’t a lucky punch, but I wouldn’t say that JMM was winning that fight prior to the KO blow.
In fact, Pac was starting to heat up and was battering JMM pretty badly.
The commentators were even wondering how much longer the fight would last. Then JMM threw that perfect shot.

He won fair and square, but I’m not so sure their 5th fight would end the same way.

In the end, all 4 of their fights were incredibly competitive and one could make a case that JMM won all of them.

I wouldn’t mind seeing Part 5 of this saga. It would still be entertaining regardless of how both fighters are on the downslide of their career.

Posted May 15, 2014 3:35 pm 

Fight Aficionado

Not heard about any out of comp drug testing this time, whereas it was happening before Bradley. Does this mean there’s no PED testing? If so Marquez is gonna be so juiced.

Posted May 15, 2014 2:48 pm 


Pac-man will get the f… knocked out again. No such thing of a lucky punch. Let me guess Marquez was also lucky when he knocked Pac-man down in the earlier round. Pac-man was been set up period.

Posted May 15, 2014 2:41 pm 


Can anyone really brag, or say they’re a ‘world champ’ with so many belts floating around?

That’s no discredit to JMM, I’m just tired of there being 5 champs per weight class.

Then you add in catch-weights and it really makes it a struggle to be a boxing fan.

Posted May 15, 2014 2:17 pm 


PAC will win by TKO in the late rounds. Just to prove that the KO was a fluke.

Posted May 15, 2014 1:33 pm 


PAC just beat Bradley who beat Grandpa Marquez! Rematch no rematch it don’t matter, it’s in the books 1 devastating KO Makes Marquez 1W-2L-1D against Pacman!

Posted May 15, 2014 12:46 pm 


PAC is going after aged superstars and displaying his awesomeness and all action edge of your seat fights! Boxing full if action and excitement!

Posted May 15, 2014 12:42 pm 

roid rage

Jp. Really ciward?! Marquez chased pac for years and even moved up in weight. Only reason pac gave marquez rematch, was that he looked vulnerable vs katsidis. Also thought he was “aged” well to b pacs opponent. (like sugar shane, de la hoya). C pattern? Pac is like a vulture, going after damaged goods

Posted May 15, 2014 12:37 pm 

roid rage

Peeps still butthurt!! Lol. B glad he giving your boy rematch. Pac will have major help from father time.

Posted May 15, 2014 12:33 pm 


Time to RETIRE!

Posted May 15, 2014 12:33 pm 


After 4th Pac fight: “This series is over. No rematch. I win.”


…coward crybaby b****

Posted May 15, 2014 12:12 pm 

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