Stevenson was froch’s mandatory but instead froch chose to unify the titles v kessler. Can opting to fight a unification really be classed as ducking a mandatory? Afterall, stevenson moved up to lh once the froch/kessler fight was made. Groves then became froch’s mandatory and froch honoured it. If stevenson had stuck around at sm then he would have remained mandatory and froch would have had to face him or surrender his ibf strap. I don’t see what froch has done wrong here tbh.Posted December 6, 2013 6:25 pm
boxing barlow says.., “Anonymous – If Steveson was Froch’s mandatory there would have been no way Froch could have avioded fighting him without giving up his belts. The fact is Froch did not choose to fight Stevenson as a voluntary defence.”
Stevenson was Froch’s mandatory… Damned straight he was.
Froch didn’t want to fight him and got the org to let him fight Kessler instead … a guy he had already beaten in Denmark, but knew he could beat him with ease, with all judges in agreement, in England.
No risk Kessler vs massive risk Stevenson… Froch got his wish.Posted December 5, 2013 1:32 am
When Adonis was in line to face froch…who had he fought up to that point? He brought nothing to the table, so he fought Kessler in a much more lucrative fight including a plastic title lol Adonis has only had his success afterwards. He brings money and titles to the table now so It’s much different. Froch doesn’t need to fight at LH this late into his career, he will check out against ward in Vegas.Posted December 4, 2013 3:40 pm
Short answer to the topic question-No.Posted December 4, 2013 11:16 am
Tudor – We’re on the same page with this one, Groves was robbed big time!Posted December 4, 2013 10:44 am
To boxing barlow – i’d like to know your opinion on this one: how could someone say the referee stopped Groves in order to protect him when his actions or lack of them throughout the entirely fight (not penalisig Froch for INTENTIONAL fouls after warning him repeatedly) are the proof that the referee had no concern for Groves health?!Posted December 4, 2013 10:13 am
I posted as Anonymus before you made your comment.
a fast girl at that.Posted December 4, 2013 9:52 am
Bellew ran like a girl.Posted December 4, 2013 9:00 am
Tudor _ I cant see any comments you have made regarding Kavalev and Steveson?Posted December 4, 2013 7:36 am
Boxing Barlow you may be wright. But youd have to concede i/m also wright regarding stevenson-kovalev thingPosted December 4, 2013 6:44 am
Anonymous – If Steveson was Froch’s mandatory there would have been no way Froch could have avioded fighting him without giving up his belts. The fact is Froch did not choose to fight Stevenson as a voluntary defence (I would presume for financial reasons rather than ducking reasons) and rather than wait around for the govening body to make Froch take the fight as a mandatory fight Stevenson chose to step up and fight Dawson at light heavy. So the reality is the choice in the fight not taking place was Stevensons not Froch.Posted December 4, 2013 6:34 am
Stevenson was Froch’s mandatory. FACT. How could then not fighting him can be called anything but ducking? So that’s about it regarding the “Froch fought anybody put in front of him” nonsense.
Yes, the two superfights, Mayweather vs Pacman won’t happen now, are
Noone wants to see Ward,
It is a different situation for Froch, now that Kessler is thinking about stopping, Bute is finished at the Smw division and a Ward fight on english ground seems impossible.
Then comes the discussions about fighters from different weight classes meeting.Posted December 4, 2013 3:21 am
Tachyon…, Ward is not fighting Stevenson… Froch is not fighting Stevenson… Hopkins is not fighting Stevenson.
Those fights WON’T happen… Any more suggestions???
Kovalev would be the biggest draw anyway. People line up to see a killer. People want to see punchers. GGG sold out MSG against a B opponent.Posted December 4, 2013 1:47 am
Kovalev Kovalev Stevens want wast his time no money in that fight. Froch, Ward, B-Hop much bigger money fights. Kovalev needs a couple more fights against good competition then go after Stevens right now no ROI wast of time to ask for something that is vapor ware.Posted December 3, 2013 11:24 pm
Mick the Marmalizer
F/A’s hit the nail on the head. Stephenson wants bugger all to do with Kolavkin!Posted December 3, 2013 7:55 pm
Calzaghe was down 2x against Old versions of Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins I see Ward has having he edge as a cleaner and sharper puncher… Calzaghe had a solid chin but he was often “raggedy” as his pops Enzo called his sometimes incessant slapping… Ward walked thru, battered, abused and stopped Calzaghes BEST opponent Mikkel Kessler when Ward had BARELY any World Class experience.. This version of Ward has too many tools, and woulda been too much for Joe C…. Ward SMASHED the prime HW Champ and made him quit, Calzaghe had to get an S/D against a 43 year old Hops… Ward via clear yet competitive UD…
Everyone that had yet to fight Joe …They all said , or thought the same thing ..He slaps ……..It was only after facing him in the ring ………….That they would learn the truth ……..Punches in bunches and he hits fu cking hard …..Posted December 3, 2013 6:26 pm
I’ve not heard from the Froch side they’re interested in Stevenson or 175 in general. The only context I heard is Stevenson calling out Froch to deflect the fact Kovalev said he wants to fight Stevenson in his next fight.Posted December 3, 2013 5:47 pm
If they fight, I hope Stevenson knocks Froch into next week.Posted December 3, 2013 5:38 pm
D. Yes, the same Haye who sold him out like a b.i.a.tchPosted December 3, 2013 5:20 pm
You got it. Froch is a lot closer to Haye.Posted December 3, 2013 5:06 pm
“Carl Froch’s good friend Tony Bellew”?? I’ve never heard either man claim to be good friends of the other, nor ever even SEEN them together. Is this just more lazy “they’re both British, they must surely know each other” journalism?Posted December 3, 2013 3:19 pm
Calzaghe fought an undefeated in his PRIME Kessler…and schooled him, how the hell was it competetive? Calzaghe would’ve beat ward but not convincingly. As far as froch and Stevenson go, that fight makes no sense at all, the fans want to see a war between him and groves, and trust me it will be a war next time, and they want Adonis in the ring with kovalev in another potential war.Posted December 3, 2013 3:14 pm
“would look like a bit of a ducker” wtf. how can froch duck someone who is not even in his division. froch has never ducked a fight in his life and his legacy has already been built against top opposition.Posted December 3, 2013 2:43 pm
Mick the Marmalizer
There’s far too much money for Froch @ 168Lb. The public want return match’s with Ward & Groves + Stephenson in a unification with Kovelev or Beibut.Posted December 3, 2013 2:39 pm
Calzaghe was down 2x against Old versions of Roy Jones and Bernard Hopkins I see Ward has having he edge as a cleaner and sharper puncher… Calzaghe had a solid chin but he was often “raggedy” as his pops Enzo called his sometimes incessant slapping… Ward walked thru, battered, abused and stopped Calzaghes BEST opponent Mikkel Kessler when Ward had BARELY any World Class experience.. This version of Ward has too many tools, and woulda been too much for Joe C…. Ward SMASHED the prime HW Champ and made him quit, Calzaghe had to get an S/D against a 43 year old Hops… Ward via clear yet competitive UD…Posted December 3, 2013 1:26 pm
The only weapon Froch has that’s better than Stevenson’s is the jab. Froch pounded Kessler with it. Stevenson’s jab is little more than a measuring stick for his straight left. Stevenson moves his head better than Froch and his power shots are way better. Especially his straight left compared to Froch’s sloooow straight right. If Adonis can handle the jab I see him winning by KO.
However Froch will fight Stevenson when pigs fly. It’s a fantasy fight.
The fight I want to see is Kovalev-Stevenson. Kovalev is a good defender and has every weapon in the book. He can smoke you with anything he throws, so that fight will be hard to make. That doesn’t mean you can’t put offers out there to see if counter offers come in.
Kovalev is easy to please. He’ll fight you in your back yard with your mom, pop, and sister working as judges.Posted December 3, 2013 11:44 am
I don’t like Stevenson, but he is way too fast, and heavy handed for Froch, who is a natural Smw.
Kovalev too, I agree with those that don’t see Froch’s chances, at this point in his career, against the two big boys in Lhw.
Groves has the speed, but would stand even less of a chance against the two Lhws.
I think Kovalev has the game, to beat Stevenson.
I consider Bute to be a weak Lhw, and Kessler to be over the hill, on the top level.Posted December 3, 2013 10:59 am
Kovalev looked great this weekend. Stevenson beat Bellew in his back yard which was expected. I wasn’t too impressed by Stevenson. Froch would give Stevenson a lot more to think about than Bellew who is too slow to fight at an elite level. I see Froch beating Stevenson in a hard 12 round fight. Froch has enough brains to keep away from Stevenson’s big left hand and that’s the only real danger in that fight.
Groves would match up well against these LHW guys. He’s got underestimated skills. Ward is a level above the rest but I see the British fighters having a great shot at beating the rest of the guys at 168 to 175.
Still, when on the subject of these weight classes, I can’t see anybody around today with the skills to beat a prime Joe C, not even Ward. Joe would box circles around Stevenson and hit Kovalev twice for every punch he gets hit with. IMHO.Posted December 3, 2013 10:18 am
If the health of boxes becomes so important that Groves type stoppages are commonplace, I will simply STOP watching the sport period… Fact is that drama, danger and pain are what make boxing exciting… The SOLE purpose if the sport is to injure your opponent, no TDs, no field goals, no 3 pointers JUST punches..Some of the BEST bouts are where the will, and grit of the boxer are tested..Fact is that Groves was not given sufficient opportunity to prove his toughness and rebound from being buzzed, that dik less ref treated him like a chubby boy in the schoolyard instead of a trained fighter… Froch may wanna wind down at 168, he’s not an elusive fighter, he’s not that fast and he has been getting buzzed lately Groves and Kessler 2 going to 175 against Stevenson is a BAD night waiting to happen..Posted December 3, 2013 9:45 am
Lot of people taking about how the referee stopped the fight for the sake of Grove’s health. Question: why didn’t he then pennalised Froch for one out of the ten blatant fouls giving him instead warning after warning after warning after warning (and so on)? Even in the 9 round, just seconds before the end Froch elboed Groves, JUST 6 INCHES FROM THE REFEREE”S EYES. The whole thing is VERY fishy. I now it’s not the current topic but would welcome any pertinent answer, because it bothered me a lot.Posted December 3, 2013 8:56 am
The thing is Stevenson can say what he wants and call out how he wants…. but the face of the matter is Froch has two/three other fights before or if these two ever meet. For me Froch has to try and make fights with Ward, Groves or Bute before the can think of facing anyone else and Stevenson comes in to the bracket of Anyone else!!Posted December 3, 2013 8:54 am
Nothing against Froch, but he has no chance with these top light heavies. Take the rematch with Groves and ask for all the money. Either that, or hope that Bute gets by Pascal and seek a return fight with him. Stvenson and Kovalev are too big, and, at the moment, too good.Posted December 3, 2013 8:24 am
Froch can forget about Kovalev and Stevenson, he will lose on Ko to both, now that he is over the hill.
Froch vs Ward, Groves Vs Ward and Froch vs Stieglitz, I don’t think will happen.
Froch could handle Hopkins, and later on he could enter an exciting rematch with Groves.
Kovalev and Stevenson wil be the end of Froch, and he doesn’t have to fight them.
Hopkins and Groves, to me are the obvious last two fights for Froch.Posted December 3, 2013 7:13 am
There wasn`t favourites, you can skip a mandatory for a unification which Froch -Kessler was of sorts.Posted December 3, 2013 2:20 am
Froch is very strong, tough, durable, and his cardio is great…Its called “conditioning” , just for all those out there who relate “cardio” with Richard Simmons …….Posted December 3, 2013 2:16 am
Froch ducked Stevenson once. why won’t he do it again?
quack quack ducky frochy.
Stevenson/ Groves are already better fighters than Froch ever was or ever will be, no chance he fights any of those two next.Posted December 3, 2013 2:09 am
Froch is not a good technician… Neither is Groves… Both get hit a ton.
Froch is very strong, tough, durable, and his cardio is great.. Groves is naturally quicker and more athletic, but also weak, soft, vulnerable, and doesn’t absorb a punch well. He gets hit just as much as Froch.
When you compare these guys to Golovkin, Ward, Kovalev, and even Stevenson, they’re not going to matchup in any way.. Stevenson was Froch’s mandatory at one time…and favorites were played. The org. backed away from Stevenson because Carl didn’t want to fight him.
Hopkins might fight Froch… Especially after the Groves fight where Carl looked so easy to hit. It would make an interesting fight, but I see Froch overpowering the old man in a testy brawl, much like Dawson did … Dawson gets hit. He gets hurt. He looked vulnerable … So Hopkins tried him. Chad was just better than he thought.
Hopkins isn’t going to beat anyone good at his age. He fell into great opportunities versus Pascal and Cloud.. Cloud’s stock was falling faster than the 2008 market crash … B-Hop sensed the opportunity like Foreman going after the Moorer fight.
D’Amato.., “70% of Boxing is getting the right fight at the right time.”Posted December 3, 2013 1:48 am
Stevenson has, so far, called out Ward who refused to respond back because Ward would get knocked out at 175 or even 168 which Stevenson said he would do. Now Stevenson calls out an old Hopkins and 168 lbs. Froch, but refuses to fight Kovalev who would knock him out and he knows it. SOB Ward refuses to fight outside his home town where he has his own referee, judges, boxing commission, etc., Ward was the ONLY boxer who did not have to travel in his tournament. Ward would not allow Bute to fight in his tournament either. Ward now wants to fight some welterweights, Jr. Middleweights, Middleweights, wants them to come up to his weight and fight him in his home town. Ward refuses to go up 7 lbs and fight at light heavyweight. Ward has been spoiled, he always gets his way, so I believe that nobody should fight him in his home town ever again………….Posted December 3, 2013 1:13 am
If Ward fought the same Groves that fought Froch he would KO him 9th or 10th round when groves runs out of gas. If groves comes in better shape Ward wins by UD he is much more technical boxer than Froch.Posted December 3, 2013 12:38 am
admis is a scumbag pimp. Hopefully he gets smashed like his hos.Posted December 3, 2013 12:15 am
Elbilly-agree. Froch isnt going up 2 lightheavy until he holds zero belts at spr middle….same as every other x champion in history of the sport.Posted December 2, 2013 11:19 pm
Suddenly Froch needs to save his legacy? Wassup with this. The man has fought everyone they’ve put in front of them! Why is he ducking someone a division over him. Stevenson is the one ducking Kovalev, if you ask me, naming Old Man BHop and smaller Froch when asked if he was willing to fight kovalev.Posted December 2, 2013 9:01 pm
Also, Froch has never had any trouble making weight at 168, and walks around at about that weight, so there’s another reason I don’t see him moving up. It just ain’t gonna happen. Forget about it.
I also seriously doubt that he’ll be able to get either Chavez or Golovkin in the ring, but I hope the latter happens. If not, Groves and Stieglitz may be his best fights. If he beats both of them (or Groves and Golovkin), perhaps there could be a Froch-Ward II showdown in Vegas for his final fight, though I doubt anyone really thinks he could win. (I’d give Froch a much bigger chance if it happened in Nottingham, but as we all know, Ward is scared of stepping outside his comfort zone, so that won’t happen.)Posted December 2, 2013 8:18 pm
ERIC, I have no problems with you or your posts. You back up what you say.
I only have problems with people who call others names for voicing their opinions, and don’t even back up why they call others out.Posted December 2, 2013 8:11 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong but I don’t think Froch has ever so much as hinted that he might like to move up to 175. It seems to me that the likelihood of him doing so now, to face either Stevenson or Kovalev, is slim indeed. Nor do I think it would be wise for him to do so.
Personally I’d like to see Froch vs Groves again, and Froch versus Golovkin. I think he could could beat them both, then retire a definite HOFer. I suspect, however, that he has his eyes on a bout against Chavez Jr in Vegas. He’s hoping to win that, and then have another against Ward, also in Vegas.
I also doubt that Golovkin will step up, despite all his bravado about facing anyone from 154-168.Posted December 2, 2013 8:09 pm
Spot on robert, I agreePosted December 2, 2013 7:59 pm
Tj are you talking to me ?Posted December 2, 2013 7:58 pm
ELBILLY I guess we’ll have to C U Next Tuesday before you come out with a credible comment you miserable little w*nker.
Now, go away and f*** yourself? Oh, my bad. Your f****** yourself as we speak!!!
I see nobodys wants to talk about Stevenson avoiding kovelev so change the subject to ward vs groves.
Im a big ward fan, have been before people even knew who he was, and ward is awesome and could beat just about everybody out there any day any time, so in your guys and girls opinions since ward is that good I guess he just retire and never fight again right ?
If it were up to you boneheads, nobodys worthy to be in the ring with ward so fights would never get made lol.Posted December 2, 2013 7:35 pm
Im not saying ward would not best groves lol, im just saying the to pair up well and would make for an interesting fight.
Why do so many of you on here jump to conclusion s and say and fight shouldn’t happen just because you in your opinion belive one fighter beats the other.
If its obvious or a mismatch it would make sense but ward and groves pair up well and would make for an entertaining night of boxing.
Groves is hungry now and would bring his A gzme and give ward a good run for at least 8.Posted December 2, 2013 7:29 pm
People would love for 3g and kovelev to fight because thats the two fighters people dont want to mix it up with and would love to see one of their carrer s derailed. SillyPosted December 2, 2013 7:23 pm
Avenge Bellews defeat!!! Its not a rocky film…..crap article againPosted December 2, 2013 7:06 pm
Answer no….Groves an Ward at super middle will happen b4 even thinking of going 2 lighheavy.Froch took Groves lightly 1st up Carl will KO him next up b4 losing 2 Ward. After that how ever many fights he has will b determined by the wins….he’ll get a title crack at lightheavy even after getting beat by Ward.Posted December 2, 2013 7:01 pm
And you steal straws from MacDonalds so you can go out felching… Therefore, you are not only talking crap but sucking it also… Go away you cretin and blow yourself one more time!Posted December 2, 2013 6:50 pm
Just got done watching former all-time great Archie Moore fight Rocky Marciano on YouTube.That old chap and mongoose put Rocky on his arse Moore and had him on queer street if Moore had only been younger when he fought Rocky.The point is ,that old man,Archie Moore didn`t sit on his arse ,bragging that everybody was afraid of him like Golovkin.Old man Moore simply moved up in weight and fought Rocky.That`s what great fighters do.GGG sits around bragging that everyone is afraid of him so he has no choice but to beat up midgets.That`s a bunch of rubbish.Move up in weight and fight Kovalev,that`s what great fighters do.They don`t sit around bragging that everyone is afraid of them so they have to beat on a midget.What an idiot !Posted December 2, 2013 6:42 pm
Five and a half I think.Sounds like another Scott Gilfhunter/Collins alter ego.And when I say five and a half that is also referring to IQ.Posted December 2, 2013 6:40 pm
Did a five year old write this??Posted December 2, 2013 6:32 pm
ELBILLY, yes, pity you don’t know where your cerebellum is at, cause when we last checked you weren’t even in the scale of borderline in the IQ stakes, you imbecile.
Froch vs. Groves rematch.Kovalev vs. Golovkin ,at a catchweight,since GGG loves to brag about how everyone is afraid to fight him.And watch GGG make an excuse about why he cannot fight Kovalev because he has another fight lined up against a midget like Proksa and Stevens.Posted December 2, 2013 6:00 pm
ERIC… SOG would absolutely destroy GROVES on the inside. He beat up KESSLER, who is way bigger, stronger and better on the inside. SOG would destroy ST GROVES by working short to mid range. Someone posted here the other night to read VIRGIL HUNTER’S thoughts on FROCH vs ST GROVES and his observations were on how FROCH was hurting GROVES to the body between rounds 6-8, even in rounds he may have been losing and he was slowly drawing GROVES’ reserves and he blew up in the 9th.
SOG would get there quicker, in around 5-6 one-sided rounds…SOG is a far better defender, and light years ahead in ring generalship. I wouldn’t be surprised if Groves lands nothing of significance before he is rescued by the ref.Posted December 2, 2013 5:58 pm
Eric – Ward would make light work of Groves.Posted December 2, 2013 5:53 pm
Groves vs ward is a great match up of styles, now there’s a fight I would like to see. Two boxers and it wouldn’t be boring either.Posted December 2, 2013 5:46 pm
How can anyone talk about froch avoiding Stevenson, when Stevenson right now is avoiding Kovelev ? Lets see Stevenson fight kovelev, then after then we can give Stevenson credit and legitimacy for froch avoiding.
I wouldn’t mind letting the stevenson vs Kovelev fight slide for a while and see some exciting fights in the process of the waiting game but Stevenson is 36 years old, and at the peak of his superman powers, the fight needs to take place soon.Posted December 2, 2013 5:43 pm
Groves would beat anyone at 183.Posted December 2, 2013 5:41 pm
stevenson is staying away from kovelev for as long as possible. chavez jr will enter the ring at 190 against any of these guys.Posted December 2, 2013 5:40 pm
I think groves would look great for 4 rounds landing a crack rt hand against stevenson. if stevenson can eat those right hands he will ko groves midway. whose chin is better froch or stevenson?Posted December 2, 2013 5:38 pm
Stevenson should be fighting kovelev not froch. I guess a froch fight is being endorsed by eastside boxing ?Posted December 2, 2013 5:38 pm
DEEPWATER if ST GROVES matches with SUPERMAN, he will be KO’D within 4 brutal rounds. Groves looked quick against Carl, but Superman’s hands are faster and his reactions quicker and will lay GROVES spark out, whether the fight is in London, Montreal or Las Vegas. BELLEW had a better chin than George and he used to fight at Heavyweight as an Amateur.Posted December 2, 2013 5:30 pm
PROS: FOR Stevenson vs FROCH…. Superman was Cobra’s mandatory at SMW until he stepped up to face BAD CHAD…. FROCH could become a 2 weight champion if he wins. Superman is a better fighter and more highly regarded than ST GROVES. We will be guaranteed a KO in this bout as note men are there to be hit and hurt.
CONS: Even if Cobra agrees, the fairweather fans will think he’s dodging ST GROVES, when in fact that match is a summer Stadium fight and not a March arena fight…
I remember the likes of JOSE PIPINO CUEVAS, untouchable at welterweight until HITMAN HEARNS smashed him up and he was never thoe same again….
CARL must sit down and pencil in ST GROVES for Summer and his target list should include B-HOP, SUPERMAN at LHW and try to lure STIEGLITZ in a unification at SMW, assuming he gets past KING ARTHUR in their rubber match.
People overlook STIEGLITZ, who IMHO will give all, but SOG a run for their money at 168 and is a very busy and exciting fighter…. I actually think he will be too busy for GROVES and will match up real well with COBRA….
If FROCH has three more bouts, the. I would like them to be STIEGLITZ, ST. GROVES and then a check out bout vs either SOG, B-HOP or the winner of KOVALEV and SUPERMAN at LHW.Posted December 2, 2013 5:26 pm
froch will stay away. groves vs stevenson or ward would be great also.Posted December 2, 2013 5:16 pm
How about Froch vrs Groves?Posted December 2, 2013 5:01 pm
Lol at Collins,
Lol.Posted December 2, 2013 4:52 pm
Any light heavyweight will get knockout by Stevenson, he is the new version of Michael Spinks.Posted December 2, 2013 4:48 pm
i would love to watch that. froch has a chin, stevenson has some bombs. how bout ward vs groves at 168. no one else at that weightPosted December 2, 2013 4:46 pm