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It’s Me, Ernie

No name, no balls…

Posted October 4, 2013 9:07 pm 


Anonymous

Can’t get over Ernie’s vast boxing knowledge. In all seriousness, does this idiot ever post a lick about boxing in his posts? Most are off topic BS.

Posted October 4, 2013 4:24 pm 


BILLY NO MEDALS ALL AMERICAN BOY

Anonymous is a W@NKER!!! ASK BRUCE THE TOSSER!!!!!

Posted October 4, 2013 3:14 pm 


TARK

Pratt.., Why couldn’t Foreman KO 2nd raters like Morrison, Saverese, Stewart, Shulz, Briggs, or Crawford Grimsley???

Jimmy Thunder KO’d Crawford Grimsley with the 1st punch he threw.

Foreman couldn’t punch hard enough to get these weak sisters out… But Tyson would have knocked ALL of them out in the 1st round.

In fact Tyson DID knock Saverese and Stewart out in the 1st round…

Foreman ducked Bowe, Mercer, Lewis, McCall, Tyson, Ruddock, etc. in favor of a bunch of weak sister challengers like Crawford Grimsely.

Posted October 4, 2013 2:03 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Special sauce? I’m in!…

Posted October 4, 2013 12:44 pm 


Pratt

The only way Tyson could defeat Mitch Green was by copping a Mayweather Sunday Punch in a Bar Fight. Big George Foreman Knocks Out Mike Tyson !!!

Posted October 4, 2013 11:32 am 


Pratt

The taller Bonecrusher Smith gave Tyson fits all night long for 2 fights, Douglas gave Tyson problems as did Lewis and Mitch Green as would Big George Foreman.

Posted October 4, 2013 11:30 am 


Angelina Fatchalini

Hey Ernie, hows about a nice open faced fish sandwich?? Lotsa sauce too.

Posted October 4, 2013 11:14 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

Mike was poorly trained, out of control and past his prime when he lost to Lewis…

Posted October 3, 2013 9:07 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

You’re still wrong douche-nozzle…

Posted October 3, 2013 9:05 pm 


Pratt

In comparison to the Wlad/Pov photo on this thread, Wlad towers over Pov.
Foreman would tower over Tyson the same, but only another 1 & 1/2 inch taller than Wlad is over Pov. Foreman was big over Tyson. 5.5 inches taller and meaner. And I think meaner has a lot to do with it. Tyson was an intimidator and rightfully so. But Foreman knows his kind and would not care about the smack. George today seems to be kind and caring, but when he was a street tough he was bad ass.
and……………….
Tark you said Joe Frazier was a “Fat butterball”………………how insulting to Joe Frazier. He did not have a chiseled physique like Foreman or Klitschko or Ali but he was smooth and lythe and strong and in shape. He was a little similar to Larry Holmes shape. Holmes was never ripped either and a little wide in the beam. A bit beamy you would say. But it did not get in the way of being an all time great fighter. Joe was built different than most fighters and his tree trunk upper legs had something to do with his power. Larry also had a big ass and thighs. Only Larry did not carry the power with it.

Onward to a good fight in Russia. If I see you boys there I will buy you an Iced Quad Russian Vodka.

Posted October 3, 2013 5:39 pm 


Pratt

Tyson was not that good a boxer as you say Foreman was, either. Reason, his arms are too short. Lewis exploited this fact and got rid of Mike. But both were good fighters, and I think Foreman’s size and power over whelm Tyson after you carry him for a few rounds. Then push him off and upper cut and left hook the short guy and KO him. Tyson was a swarmer and inside fighter. If Foreman pushed him off with his reach he takes away Tysons strength as an inside fighter. And his short arms disqualify him as a long range Boxer. As a mean man of the streets I think Foreman was on equal or worse than Tyson. Which makes Foreman totally un-fearing of Tyson, since these guys were from the projects and faced bad guys routinely. I think a young Prime Foreman takes a young Prime Tyson and I also think a wiser Foreman post Ali takes a Tyson of the same vintage. My opinion boys and I am entitled to it. Tark sometimes you are redundant in your re quotes….

Posted October 3, 2013 5:19 pm 


TARK

Idiot Earnie… I’m talking natural weight stupid.

That’s what size is, natural weight. Tyson was short, but a super compact, explosive destroyer. At his peak Tyson ran over thinner heavyweights with his size and strength.

In perfect condition at 21, Tyson was 218 for Michael Spinks… In perfect condition at 24, Foreman was 217 for Joe Frazier.

Posted October 3, 2013 5:00 pm 


TARK

Thanks Decker..,

Pratt.., Foreman wasn’t bigger than Tyson he was longer.. And when he could have fought Tyson he was VERY FAT. Alex Steward beat the crap out of a super slow and FAT Foreman.. In contrast, Mike Tyson ran over Stewart like he didn’t exist.

You’re taking your stats from Boxrec which admits their stats are often BS.. Foreman has a 78″ reach but it doesn’t matter. He’s slow and Jimmy Young easily outboxed a prime Foreman..

Larry Holmes was a much greater boxer than Jimmy Young and Tyson ran over Holmes like nothing.. Tyson was the ONLY boxer who ever stopped Holmes.. Buster Douglas was super fast, 232lbs, and very skilled.. Foreman WASN’T.. Douglas was a very good boxer and Foreman was NOT a good boxer.

Mike was too fast for big punchers who couldn’t box well, such as BoneCrusher Smith… Razor Ruddock… and Frank Bruno. Just like those 3 non-boxing slowpokes, Foreman never did well against guys with speed.. He couldn’t even catch slow and clumsy Tommy Morrison.

Posted October 3, 2013 2:22 am 


Decker

Pratt, I used to be solidly in your corner in the Foreman v Tyson debate.
I still am partially. But over the years fans like TARK have made me rethink this match up that never was.

Many fans look to what George did to Frazier and think he would do similarly to MT. However Frazier, who I admired for his grit, was overrated as a HW (mainly b/c Ali went life & death w/Joe 3X and you have to keep up the mystique of “the greatest”).

Tyson was better than Frazier. Even if he had less mental tenacity than JF, Tyson was quicker, more powerful. Prime or near prime Tyson would have a good chance to get inside the slower George and win.

Btw, as a person I like Foreman better – even though Tyson is probably not a bad person himself – just more tortured. Of course GF re branded himself as some sort of “Uncle George” to the US public when he came back to fighting in his late 30s.

Posted October 3, 2013 1:04 am 


Pratt

Tark says: ” Tyson and Foreman were close to the same size, but Tyson had better leverage.” Tark you are flat out WRONG Wrong Wrong.

Foreman was 6’3 1/2 ” Tall 82″ Reach
Tyson was 5’10” Small and 71″ Reach

Ain’t even close bud.
This is why Foreman knew he could shove the Short guy off and KO him.
Almost a one foot reach advantage to Foreman. You call that the same?

Foreman had a 83.95 % Knock out ratio.
Tyson had a 75.86 % Knock out ratio.
Foreman could hit HARDER than Mike!!
Tyson had fits with the taller Mitch Green, and big guy Lewis KO’d him.
Douglas the taller KO’d him.
Wlad would have done the same. Ko’d him.

But Foreman would let Tyson swarm and shove him off, let him wade in again and hit him on top his head and KTFO of him.

And what is with the quoting of poster in repeat. That is stupid. But I only did it to show you what it is like to be a culprit of mis information.

Get it right TARK………..sometimes you are all wet Bud.

Posted October 3, 2013 12:39 am 


TARK

Right.., But Foreman wasn’t one of the 7 guys who KO’d Stewart… Stewart beat the living trash out of George and deserved the D.

Posted October 2, 2013 11:36 pm 


TARK

Tyson and Foreman were close to the same size. But Mike had better leverage and accuracy.

In perfect condition Tyson weighed 218 vs Michael Spinks at 21 years old

In perfect condition Foreman weighed 217 vs Joe Frazier at 24 years old

Those were probably their peak fights they ever fought.. Tyson was a better defender than Foreman and had faster hands. Jimmy Young would have lasted 1 or 2 rounds with a raging young Tyson.. The guys who beat Tyson were big, tall, powerful, fast, skilled boxers.. Mike was too fast for towering punchers—BoneCrusher, Ruddock, and Bruno.

Posted October 2, 2013 10:51 pm 


TARK

Carl Pratt says.., “Tyson had trouble with tall fighters.” … NO he DIDN’T.

Carl “The Truth” Williams was 6’4″ and gave Holmes Hell.. Tyson smashed him out in one..

Larry Holmes was 6’4″ and Tyson blasted Larry out early.

Frank Bruno was 6’5″ and bigger than Foreman. Tyson KO’d him twice.

Tony Tucker was 6’5″ and undefeated.. Tyson ended his streak.

Tyson was too fast for all those guys — and they were all faster than Foreman..

Tyson took Alex Stewart out in 40 seconds… Foreman went 12 with Steward a year later and took a very severe beating from the super SLOOOOOW swinger.

Posted October 2, 2013 10:28 pm 


Carl Pratt

At least Pov will have a strategy going for himself. But…as Mike Tyson once said,… Everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face.

Posted October 2, 2013 7:20 pm 


Carl Pratt

only punch numbered 4 or 5 would land

Posted October 2, 2013 7:14 pm 


Carl Pratt

Povetkin is good at throwing bursts of punches. This is how he adjusted in the Chambers fight. Eddie was landing monster right hands n Pov. Pov was smart enough to adjust during the fight and started throwing 5 punch combos where at times only punch 43 and 5 or only 5 would land, and Eddie could not counter that burst of punching by Pov. So maybe this is his strategy for Wlad, bursts on the inside. Might work, but, Wlad is very strong, very very strong, and will put the leverage on Pov. da da da da
Foreman would have pushed the short Tyson off him and then landed his thundering lefts and rights and KOd Tyson. Tyson had trouble with tall fighters. Mitch Green gave Tyson fits for the entire fight, and his speed and power could not take out Mitch Green. The only way Tyson could take care of Green was in a Bar Fight. But Green did not posses the KO Power of Big George Foreman. and,…..in a Bar Fight Foreman would have killed Tyson. You are forgetting that in his early years Foreman was a very mean man, a very mean mean man. Maybe even meaner than Mike. Goerge was a mean street Thug who was saved by boxing, just as iron mike was.

Posted October 2, 2013 7:13 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Cosign TARK.

Posted October 2, 2013 6:24 pm 


TARK

There’s a massive amount a referee can do to favor Povetkin… The referee constantly interfered and broke up non-clinches in the Povetkin-Huck fight—when Huck had one arm free to punch. Huck would have knocked Povetkin out with a neutral referee.

Povetkin may not be able to tie Wladimir up in the same way. He’s going to be running—or charging in and throwing bursts. That’s what Povetkin has been working on with Kostya Tszyu. They’ve been working on getting close, and firing sustained bursts of punches. They don’t necessarily plan on winning a decision. They believe hurting Wladimir and getting the KO is the better chance. All WK’s losses were by stoppage.

Their plan B is making it a close enough fight were the partisan crowd will keep cheering Povetkin on—and influence the judges and viewers.

Posted October 2, 2013 3:57 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“Referee will be Luis Pabon, from Puerto Ricio. judges for the Klitschko-Povetkin clash will be Glenn Feldman and Ted Gimza, both from United States, and Phillippe Verbeke, from Belgium.” – Has any boxing beat reporter done due diligence on these judges and the ref? If there are red flags about their socrecards/referreeing Wlad’s camp should object, and writers should write. Of course none of this will happen. Then if the fix is in everyone will scream bloody murder when it’s too late, again.

Posted October 2, 2013 3:25 pm 


Fred

The key for povetkin will be ducking/avoiding wlads jab and close in the distance so that he can hit wlad.
This has been tried by many fighters, and most have failed to do so.
Emanuel Steward has made Wlad extremely difficult to beat.
Anyway, unlike Haye who was running for 12 rounds hoping to land his big hayemaker, povetkin is a pressure fighter that goes forward, this is in my opinion a better way to fight wlad, keep wlad going backwards.
Povetkin doesnt have Hayes power, but hes a better technician/boxer, and throws good combinations with good handspeed.

Based on povetkins and Wlads fight against chagaev, wlad should win comfortably, however i give Povetkin a better chance than the rest of the Heavyweight fighters, Povetkin is also the most talented fighter wlad has faced.

Looking forward for this one

Posted October 2, 2013 4:35 am 


TARK

Pratt…, Foreman couldn’t KO Crawford Grimsley, Lou Saverese, Tommy Morrison, Alex Steward, or Axel Shultz — how’s he going to KO a much greater and younger fighter like Tyson???

Tyson scored easy KO’s over Saverese and Stewart.. Stewart caught Foreman with freakin’ slow punches.. How is Foreman going to avoid Tyson’s much faster combinations???

Frazier wasn’t Tyson.. Frazier was a fat butterball.. Frazier was predictable throwing mainly left hooks.. Frazier cranked his shots up and Tyson never did.. Tyson threw more like Steward with both hands.. but 10 X faster.

Posted October 2, 2013 2:45 am 


Bark

Getting back to the fight at hand………………..Wlad should TKO Povetkin, but, Povetkin will be game for a few rounds.

Posted October 2, 2013 1:35 am 


Pratt

He is going to KO Tyson by hitting Tyson on top of his head, cause he is a short guy wading in. Ask him yourself. Tyson dodged George.

Posted October 2, 2013 1:33 am 


TARK

Pratt.., “TARK…………..Foreman wanted Tyson so bad he could taste it”

LMFAO., Foreman DIDN’T want Tyson.. Tyson smashed out Alex Steward in 40 seconds.. Foreman fought Steward a year later, and Steward gave Foreman one of the worst beatings I’ve ever seen.

Foreman was waaaay too slow for the speedy Tyson. That would have been a brutal beating of an old guy.. All those top heavyweights wanted to fight Foreman. It was BIG MONEY.. Foreman couldn’t even KO Crawford Grimsley or Lou Saverese.. How he going to KO Tyson???

Posted October 1, 2013 10:13 pm 


Pratt

TARK…………..Foreman wanted Tyson so bad he could taste it. Because he KNEW he could KO Tyson like he did to Frazier. Ageless Archie Moore who was in Big George’s corner told him if Frazier comes wading in, hit him on top of the head and he will go down. And he knew the same would hold true to Tyson. Because Tyson would come wading in to Big George. He has spoken about this. Tyson avoided Foreman because he knew George would KO him.

Posted October 1, 2013 8:15 pm 


Hidalgo

“HILDAGO, I HVAE NEWS FOR YOU. You seem jealous because you know people are bored to death watching Mayweather’s fights…”

I’m jealous because people are bored watching Mayweather fights? Really? I’m jealous because someone is bored? LOL! Uh, ok…I guess.

Posted October 1, 2013 6:04 pm 


K2 Fan

HIDALGO A’INT RIGHT : Is RIGHT !

Posted October 1, 2013 5:29 pm 


TARK

Granger says.., “Could you imagine George Foreman being heralded as one of the best ever if he refused to fight Ali.”

I sure can…

Foreman refused to fight Larry Holmes… He refused to fight Lennox Lewis… He refused to fight Mike Tyson… He refused to fight Razor Ruddock… He refused to fight Ray Mercer… He refused to fight Oliver McCall.

On the other hand… Foreman didn’t refuse to fight Crawford Grimsley… He didn’t refuse to fight Alex Shultz… He didn’t refuse to fight Lou Saverese… He didn’t refuse to fight Alex Stewart… He didn’t refuse to fight Tommy Morrison… He didn’t refuse to fight Jimmy Ellis (not the Jimmy Ellis who won the heavyweight elimination tournament, but another Jimmy Ellis who couldn’t beat Tony Willis in his next fight).

Posted October 1, 2013 5:22 pm 


Decker

Granger, while I was responding to KL you got in the Floyd comparisons before I did. Although I was kinder to FM than you were LOL.

I’m a realistic American too – you made many good points. The NFL-NBA theory is a lot of BS. When the likes of Ali, Tyson, etc were HW champs you seldom heard of “the top HWs are in the NFL or NBA” theory. Why is that…

Posted October 1, 2013 2:27 pm 


Decker

KL, likewise.

I was a pretty fair LL fan and rooted for him vs Tyson & other Am boxers – and I’m not a Tyson hater although he has been mythologized as much as Ali.

I agree that Wlad could be more exciting… so could Mayweather and he’s considered a p4p ATG. Wlad’s style is amusingly similar – not the same of course – to Ali’s. But in Ali’s day you didn’t have fantastic computer based games w/great graphics showing realism and all sorts of blood & gore. Take off the rose colored glasses and most of Ali’s fights were bore fests by TODAY’S standards. Jab jab grab… jab jab grab… unless the opponent was completely outclassed. Wlad fights similarly against bigger and stronger fighters and he’s unfairly criticized – held to the higher standard of this eras *expectations*.

So in that sense you’re right – Wlad hasn’t generated the excitement that the sport could (should) have. But like Floyd it’s very effective for him. Plus fans buy Floyd’s fights to see if someone, anyone will beat him LOL Your Calzaghe was similarly criticized – esp. by non Brits. Yet he was a superb boxer.

“I think it safe to say that Wlad will go down as boxer who had a terrific record, but a boxer who won’t have featured in any memorable “Fight of the decade fights” – KL

IMO Wlad-Peter I was definitely a fight of the decade type bout.

Wlad-Vitali would be an early fight of the century ! More so years ago.
However understandable why it will never happen.

Posted October 1, 2013 2:21 pm 


dwc

Last thing I would want to see is a super hvwt div.Besides after the k-bros. Haye could be the next best fighter…a cruiser.Alot of these giants arent that great to need their on div. guys like Price..Fury..R.H….Pulev..Deminktro..Wach..I dont see these guys being unbeatable by a very solid smaller hvwt. I could see a superhvwt. div. having about 5 medicore fighters and the rest a bunch of slow moving unskilled amature looking stiffs.And the last thing we need is a large heavyweight fighting a smaller superhvwt. at a catch weight…more catch weight fights aswell..no thanks.

Posted October 1, 2013 2:12 pm 


Granger

HILDAGO, I HVAE NEWS FOR YOU. You seem jealous because you know people are bored to death watching Mayweather’s fights and most people only watch them to see if someone can catch the chicken running around the ring, to shut up his arrogant mouth. Wlad fights smart but almost always gets a Ko and unlike Mayweather, goes for the kill. Wlad fears no one and in contrast Mayweather is documented to have ducked several fighters in their prime, most notably Manny Pacquiai!! Mayweather rarely knocks anyone out and runs ion and out of the ring. I guess chickens can identify with him. On the other hand both Klitschko’s have amonng the greatest KO ratios ever. Could you imagine Foreman being heralded as one of the best ever if he refused to fight Ali in his prime like Mayweather has Pacquiao and several other fighters? Mayweather is more media hype of the American press thananything, because the USA has very few good fighters today.And I am an American, but also a realist!! There are literally hundreds of thousands of guys bigger than the Klitschko’s so why aren’t they champions? There have literally been THOUSANDS of offensive and defensive lineman in the NFL that are way, way, way bigger than the Klits (most over over 300 pounds), and each of them would get toasted in the ring by the Klits. Also, Wlad has fought a number of bigger fighters than himself, never been a problem, so your argument breaks down, big time. I would much rather watch the biggest and baddest guys on the palnet clash, than a Mayrunner, who we know not only avoids those he fears but would lose to millions of people on the streets because of his minny mousey size and yellow guts.

Posted October 1, 2013 1:56 pm 


Ray (the man) Flores

Pov has a chance with his overhand right that is fast and sneaky. He have a good chin and is tough guy. But Wlad out classes him in all events. But, once a guy gets hit, things change. Wlad should get a TKO though. Fighting in Russia of all things. I am not so sure Ukrainians like the Russians. Wlad has to be very careful with his total surroundings. Food, water, security, sleep, clothes, bathrooms, travel, leisure, and totally everything has to be watched out for so there is no foul play by the Russians to steal Klitschko Belts. Should be an interesting event. I got my HBO for this one.

Posted October 1, 2013 1:31 pm 


KL

Decker I appreciate the intelligent debate, and the compliment (sort of!).
I don’t view myself as “anti K brother”, but I don’t think that Wlad hasn’t generated the excitement that the sport should have.
I generally don’t support boxers or in fact any sports stars merely because they happen to be British or base themselves in Britain.My favourite tennis player is Nadal not Murray, When Lennox Lewis fought Holyfield, I was rooting for Holyfield.
You make valid points about us living in a different world to the Ali days……. but I do still think Wlad fights “boring”……..now not to say it isn’t a very effective method, his results speak for themselves, but take a look at the Pienetta fight…….even the partisan German audience started booing at Wlad for being too cautious after he clearly hurt Pienetta.
I think it safe to say that Wlad will go down as boxer who had a terrific record, but a boxer who won’t have featured in any memorable “Fight of the decade fights”

Posted October 1, 2013 1:17 pm 


TARK

Hidalgo.., You’re not making sense. The heavyweight division is unlimited, but somebody weighing 300, 400, or 500lbs is giving up one HELL of a lot in speed — and the ability to defend their target areas… There’s one HELL of a lot of places to apply clean punches to super big head and body. Haye landed a massive percentage of his shots on Valuev. Haye just had to be careful not to get hit solidly like Monte Barrett did when he fought the giant.

There’s a limit to how big and tall humans can get — and still be amazingly speedy, mobile, agile, and athletic. At times you “go small” on the basketball court for strategic reasons … like when you need a quick steal and score.

When the human race evolves, and David Haye types are less and less successful, Boxing will add another weight division as appropriate.

But it’s been very recently that the Cruiserweight Division was necessary to establish. There was nowhere to go for guys who can’t boil down to 175, yet can’t compete with boxers who weigh 220 and up to go. So Boxing needed to add a 200 pound division.

The Cruiserweight Division will work well for another generation or 2. The Light Heavyweight Division was the highest weight for non-heavyweights to go for about a hundred years or so. Let’s not be popping in new weight divisions all over the place … every few years.

Posted October 1, 2013 1:14 pm 


Decker

“Please, if you want to beat a dead horse, go somewhere else.”

Hidalgo, first of all the anti K bro bias in some quarters is far from a dead horse. Second, I wasn’t specifically singling you out or even suggesting you were a K bro “hater”.

Btw, I thought the introduction of a CW div was long overdue. So I’m not as opposed to your pov as you might think. However that doesn’t invalidate that much of this clamor for a SHW div is anti K bro BS.

Posted October 1, 2013 12:55 pm 


Hidalgo

Here’s what the late Manny Steward had to say about a potential Mayweather/Pacquiao fight:

“I’ve always said that I would give Floyd the edge. First of all Floyd is physically bigger… I think he’s bigger than Manny is and I think his boxing techniques would be a problem for Manny and Floyd would probably capitalize on Manny’s bad position sometimes when he throws punches. ”

My, my, my, even Emaneul Steward thinks size makes a difference.

Posted October 1, 2013 12:36 pm 


Hidalgo

“Most of this “we need a SHW div” is barely masked K bro hate.”

Decker, I don’t even remotely “hate” the Klitschkos. I have better things to do with my time. My first post started with, “One of the giant heavyweights is going to face a significantly smaller foe,” and I discussed the heavyweight division in general. Please, if you want to beat a dead horse, go somewhere else.

Posted October 1, 2013 12:24 pm 


Hidalgo

Ok, one thing at a time:

“Your points are meaningless im afraid. Even if you created your imaginary SHW division, what would the weight limit be on that?”

Kosciuszko, if my points are meaningless, then why don’t all weight divisions have no restrictions on weights? Better yet, why shouldn’t they? If you think it’s fair and reasonable for one weight division to have an unlimited weight rule, why can’t the others? Bottom line is there are a lot of huge men who are boxing now. Time to recreate the super heavyweight division in order to accommodate them. Now, if the giants don’t care if the division they fight in has no weight limit. I’m good with that. After all, they are all giants.

“Hidalgo.., Of course it’s fair to have an unlimited weight division… Haye was both Cruiserweight and Heavyweight Champion wasn’t he? So it must be fair for a 210lb man to fight a 335 pound man..”

I don’t understand this reasoning at all. WTF were so many people crying it wasn’t fair or reasonable to expect Mayweather to fight Canelo at his full weight? But let me make sure I understand this correctly: It’s okay to have huge weight disparities in the heavyweight division because it’s perfectly acceptable for one man to outweigh the other by as much as 100 lbs. But in every other division, especially in the jr. middleweight and middleweight divisions, it’s atrocious. it’s a horror. Oh my god don’t let Chavez Jr. fight any more middleweights and please God please make Canelo move up to light heavyweight now! But hey, for the heavyweight division, let’s all wear blinders.

“Then answer this WHY were Behemoths like Mc Cline, Wach, Grant, Lance Whitker, Julius Long, Mc Bride and on and on NOT World Champs while midgets like Brewster, Rahman, Byrd, Ruiz WERE?? ”

Hidalgo ain’t Right (LMAO at that, btw), Valuev won a lot of fights because of his size, bulk, weight, height, reach, etc. How hard does one have to punch in order to hurt a tree trunk, and how hard must it be to get past those long branches? Do you think Vlad and Vitali or any of the other giant heavyweights haven’t been greatly aided by their size advantage over some of their opponents? Even if they never became world champs? I remind you there’s been a lot of flack thrown at Alvarez and Chavez Jr. by boxing fans who hate the fact that they use their size advantage to win fights. Yet guys like you have no problem with Peter, or Klitschko, or Valuev, or Wach outweighing their opponents by 30 lbs or more.

“My point is that people calling for a new Division now are people who are slating the Klitschkos.”

Mr. Ain’t Right, I have no vendetta against the Klitschkos. They are fine boxers and fine champions. But even Emanuel Steward would tell you that their physical attributes aid them greatly. So would Wlad. In an interview just before his fight with Mormeck Wlad was asked about whether his size made a difference. Wlad responded: “And some of the people will – it’s actually what I hear around, that it’s a mismatch and the body size is so different. Yes, sizes matter…”

Posted October 1, 2013 12:16 pm 


Decker

@ KL

“Sure it’s natural for the Germans and Ukranians to go mad over their champions, but I suspect that in the wider world of boxing the interest in Wlad is not as universal.”

Let me put it this way. If and when an Am wins a major HW belt, you will be able to say the same – in the wider world of boxing the interest in is not as universal.” When LL emerged all you heard about in the US sports media was (hyping) Tyson, Holy, Bowe, etc. Of course LL showed he was the best among that group.
The world has changed very much since the days of Ali and earlier. Mass cable tv, the INTERNET, smart phones, virtually an unlimited number of electronic gaming options, plus all that has existed in the past – films, music, other traditional sports, etc. The entertainment options are on a completely new level. A quantum leap in less than one generation.

We’re in a new era. IOW an Am HW champ won’t generate the same interest as a J Louis, Marciano, Ali did in days gone by.

Take off your K bro dislike filter off for a few minutes and you’ll see this somewhat differently. Btw, you don’t come across as an all to frequently encountered sports board idiot, which is why I answered at length !

Posted October 1, 2013 12:12 pm 


wes

the uk is only a small part of europe.

Posted October 1, 2013 12:12 pm 


wes

of course there little interest in the klitschko in the uk. just like there is little interest in haye,fury,price and chriora in america. but to hear the british talk there the most popular fighter in the world. when ever you pick up boxing monthly a british fight magazine 85 per cent is about british fighters. if the klitschko’s were british the whole uk would be crazy about them.

Posted October 1, 2013 12:10 pm 


Decker

@ Hidalgo aint right

Excellent points.
Most of this “we need a SHW div” is barely masked K bro hate.

Posted October 1, 2013 11:59 am 


KL

Spin the Kid:
“35,000 will be there live to see this fight. Sold out. Plenty of fans are getting excited”.

Of course the arena is going to be sold out, its a world title bout for goodness sake……. whether the fight will be “exciting” is somewhat debatable.

Posted October 1, 2013 11:31 am 


KL

Kid Blast you say:
“KL , apparently you have never seen a fight in Germany or Moscow. This fight is generating a monster amount of interest in astern Europe”————–

Considering this fight is being fought by a German based Ukaranian and a Russian it’s not surprising the fight will generate more interest there…….but that’s not what I am talking about…….I am talking about the wider world of boxing.
I am talking about forums like this or friends talking in pubs, people talk about other fights & other fighters…….but Wlad vs Povetkin doesn’t get too much mention.

Posted October 1, 2013 11:24 am 


KL

Decker you say:
“He (Wlad) has generated plenty of interest – certainly in Europe – and in other parts of the world. Americans tend to loose interest unless they’re dominating.”
——–

Well I live in the UK which is in Europe, and I don’t see a whole lot of interest or excitement in Wlad. Sure wlad & his brother are household names in their adopted country Germany, I’ve been their and see that the K brothers appear in all sorts of adverts on tv. But whether their boxing (particualry Wlad) generates genuine interest in the sport of boxing is detectable.
Sure it’s natural for the Germans and Ukranians to go mad over their champions, but I suspect that in the wider world of boxing the interest in Wlad is not as universal.

Posted October 1, 2013 11:16 am 


the dude

I believe Povetkin will cause a huge upset this Saturday – Wlad will dominate for 6-7 rounds with his jab but Povetkin will land a big shot that shakes Klitschko up and Povetkin will get the KO – You just have to land on Wlad and he can be koed quite easily – it’s just landing that’s the problem but I think Alexander will do it

Posted October 1, 2013 11:06 am 


eric

Suede, when you got a fighter in povk… thats has won the gold and is tec… undefeated and champ, even if it is mostly BS, you cant just completly write the guy off and say he has zero chance, to me that is silly, this is boxing and people get punched in the face and sometimes it dont go well when that happens. Klitschko is the best boxer in the heavy weight division bar none but povk has a chance and to say other wise is silly.

Posted October 1, 2013 11:03 am 


JOEY

HW BOXING TODAY IS A COMPLETE JOKE.

Posted October 1, 2013 11:02 am 


wes

ask little eddie chambers if he had any problems with dimitrenko.

Posted October 1, 2013 10:41 am 


wes

guys the size of valuev are not any good.

Posted October 1, 2013 10:39 am 


wes

i meant hidalgo ain’t right.

Posted October 1, 2013 10:36 am 


wes

hidalgo got the beat. agree with you all the way.

Posted October 1, 2013 10:29 am 


Eric_Suede

I said before & i’ll say it again. As anti-klitschko as I am , Even I recognize this fight is a waste of time. I’m not sure why you guys are big on povetkin anyways. He’s clearly avoided power punchers his entire career. I’ll just put it to you like this. You don’t want Wladimir Klitschko to be your first test fighting someone with power. Easy fight for Wlad. Not even sure if I’ll tune in.

Posted October 1, 2013 10:19 am 


Hidalgo aint right

And didn’t Wlad recently PUMMEL an opponent who was both taller and outweighed him recently (Wach)? A fight that should have been stopped in the 8th, a fight that was a total WHITE WASH on all the cards. If the Klits only get by because of their size “advantages” then surely logic would dictate that when they fight guys their own size then they should struggle a bit. On the contrary! If anything they EAT UP guys their own size or bigger! Jefferson KO2 Austen KO2 Wach WHITE-WASH. Hoffman WHITE-WASH. Mc Cline KO10 (schooled rounds 1-9). Ironically it’s the smaller guys that have given the Klitschkos that rare bit of trouble! Peter (1st fight). Byrd. Brock (although KOd in 7, had arguably given Wlad a tough time in the early goings) Chisora. Although it only lasted a round but Solis (just 6’1″) managed to connect on Vitali a lot more than any other fighter had in recent memory. So EXPLAIN that one haters?? You STILL calling for a new division?

Posted October 1, 2013 10:13 am 


Hidalgo aint right

Now compare Valuev clearly losing to Chagaev to the one-sided domination Wlad inflicted upon him. Those saying the Klits only win because of their size, well then explain why Valuev couldn’t do a thing against Chagaev?? It wouldn’t happen to be because of the fact that they are simply light years better and more skilled than all the rest?? Adamek famously said that it wouldn’t have mattered if Vitali was 4 inches shorter on the night, he still wouldn’t have won. Vitali was simply too well schooled and skilled a boxer for him. Adamek should know too, having already bested behemoths Mc Bride and Grant. And while all three-Mc Bride, Klitschko, Grant, are about the same size, only ONE of them was able to DOMINATE and DESTROY the Pole. Credit where it’s due HATERS.

Posted October 1, 2013 10:02 am 


Hidalgo aint right

KOrnerman 1st get your facts straight. Valuev was WBA champ for about a year and a half. End of 2005 to April 2007. My point is THIS. Valuev won that WBA strap with a questionable MD over Ruiz. He defended it 3 times against mediocre opposition and then in his 4th defence, when he actually stepped up in comp to fight his mandatory, he was CLEARLY beaten by 5’9″ Chagaev! His OVER one foot and about 100 pound weight “advantage” didn’t help too much there, did it? He won the WBA again via controversial dec. over Holyfield, and lost it in his first defence. My point is that people calling for a new Division now are people who are slating the Klitschkos. WHY should there be one created? Because the bros are THAT good?? Bowe was champ but only made 2 defences before being dethroned by “blown up cruiser” Holyfield. BS those who claim a new division is needed. BASED ON WHAT EVIDENCE? WHAT FACTS?

Posted October 1, 2013 9:56 am 


irishny

Actually theres been a lt of “Behemoths who were champions”
Liston outweighed practically all of his opponents.
Bowe was bigger than nearly everyone.

Joe Louis was considered a beast in his time too.

Posted October 1, 2013 9:09 am 


Anonymous

Povetkin hires Chisora to check Wlad’s hand wraps before fight!!!

Posted October 1, 2013 9:01 am 


KOrnerman

Hidalgo ainr right,Nicolai Valuev held the WBA World Championship belt for nearly 3 years between 2005 and 2008. your point is?

Posted October 1, 2013 8:27 am 


Hidalgo aint right

@ Hidalgo, let’s say what youre sayin is right (which it isn’t, but use that as a stick to bash a K-bro if you like). Then answer this WHY were Behemoths like Mc Cline, Wach, Grant, Lance Whitker, Julius Long, Mc Bride and on and on NOT World Champs while midgets like Brewster, Rahman, Byrd, Ruiz WERE?? Outside of Lewis and the Klitschkos name ONE ‘behemoth’ who actually had a decent longevity reign as champ in the over 100 YEARS of heavyweight boxing??

Posted October 1, 2013 8:23 am 


Lenin

Huck almost Povetkin out! So imagine what Vlad will do to him.

Posted October 1, 2013 7:55 am 


huckster

povetking bring his A game and les’s see a fight!

Posted October 1, 2013 5:49 am 


Lenin

Vlad by (T)KO within 8 rounds, unless they poison him, shoot him, or put Lennox instead of Povetkin in the ring.

Posted October 1, 2013 5:27 am 


Anonymous

lennox lewis will be there!!!

Posted October 1, 2013 4:24 am 


kosciuszko

Hidalgo,

Your points are meaningless im afraid. Even if you created your imaginary SHW division, what would the weight limit be on that? And what happens if someone weighs in heavier than that limit? Or do we create an open ended SHW division? Or do we just keep going ad infinitum? We could then theoretically have a world champion 50-stoner!

In essence, you would also take away some great fights in the blue ribbon division of boxing.
Also, did you catch the Haye-Valuev fight? Size and weight do not automatically convey advantage and win. If you weigh less ala Haye or Ali, you generally have the speed advantage, while the big guys have the power advantage.
I think this balancing of strengths is what makes the HW fights potentially the best fights and most memorable in all of boxing.

Try not to get caught up in coming up with ways of hindering the Klitschko brothers, instead, be thankful that they keep the division honest, and don’t let some of the truly fat and lazy slobs who box professionally to hold the belts in the greatest boxing division of them all.

Posted October 1, 2013 4:18 am 


Ray Ray

Is there any1 out there 2 take down Klitchko? I think not….like 2 c both retire champs

Posted October 1, 2013 2:27 am 


Farmboxer

Vlad will knock Povetkin out!!!!!!! However, I have heard a lot of rumors that the people behind Povetkin plan to cheat, poison food, water, fumes from the vents in Vlad’s hotel, etc. Cheating is the only way Povetkin can win and Povetkin knows it………..Povetkin has been afraid to fight Vlad for years now…………..why do you think the fight is in Moscow? Even if Povetkin does cheat, he will still lose the fight. I hope Chef brings Vlad’s food & water from Germany, and Vitali inspects Povetkin’s gloves. Vitali was the one who discovered that Wach’s right glove had been tampered with………….later it was found that Wach was one steroids!

As far as another weight division?! I did not hear one complaint about size in the heavyweight division when Lennox Lewis was fighting much smaller fighters, or when Ali fought Quarry, Ali was 6 feet 3 inches tall and Quarry only around 5 feet 10 inches tall. If Wilder was to win there would be no complaints either……………..Vlad knocked Wilder down with a jab in sparring. Vlad has mentioned fighting Wilder in the future………….

Posted October 1, 2013 1:54 am 


Anonymous

Can’t wait for the fight!

Posted October 1, 2013 1:37 am 


Ray Ray

No cj Ross.

Posted October 1, 2013 12:57 am 


ITs me coc kbreath

lollies

Posted October 1, 2013 12:12 am 


It’s Me, Ernie

lol…

Posted September 30, 2013 11:44 pm 


Lenzo

This fight will not need any judges, just an ambulance…

Posted September 30, 2013 10:58 pm 


lman

Pov is ready for Wlad, surely Rahman, Huck and the last guy he fought whose name I cant pronounce let alone spell would have prepared him.

Posted September 30, 2013 10:50 pm 


Hidalgo

“@Hidalgo.., Povetkin will come into the ring at no less than 225.. Wladimir will weigh no more than 245.. So AP is giving up 15 to 20 pounds max.. ”

My point Tark, is that the heavyweight division is a farce. We’ve had this discussion before but I’ll say it again: The Heavyweight division in boxing is the ONLY division in pro boxing that has no weight limit. The only one. It’s a joke. And you know as well as anyone else that here has been numerous fights in which one man significantly outweighed the other.

As Wlads weight: He weighed 249 for his fight with Pianeta. He weighed almost 247 for his fight with Wach, 249 against Thompson, and 244 against Mormeck who weighed a whopping 216 pounds. He weighed 243 vs a 213lb. David Haye. 247 against Peter, 244 against a 209 pound Eddie Chambers.

The heavyweight division starts at 200 lbs. and goes to infinity. How is it okay for a guy like Valuev who is over 7 feet tall to fight an opponent who is nearly a foot shorter than him and weighs almost 100 pounds less than him? Who was that opponent? David Haye. Oh sure, Haye beat him, but does that make it right?

The heavyweight division is a joke–like that pansy Anonymous.

Posted September 30, 2013 10:47 pm 


Hidalgo

Whichever pansy you are that calls himself “Anonymous.” By the way kumquat, do you not understand sarcasm?

Posted September 30, 2013 10:25 pm 


Hidalgo

“Hidalgo ; what’s your point ? ”

One of the requirements for participating in these boards is to have a reasonable ability to comprehend what you read. Obviously you don’t have that, K2 Fan.

But hey, just for you, let’s give all weight divisions a 30 lb. spread. Lightweight, for instance will be 135-165 lbs. Welterweight will be 147-177 lbs.
Middleweight will be 160-190 lbs. So theoretically, a lightweight can fight a middleweight. Because according to you, size doesn’t make a difference.

Posted September 30, 2013 10:22 pm 


Informer

This goes no more than 6 rounds if Wlad is merciful.

Posted September 30, 2013 10:16 pm 


TARK

I like that dark blue shirt though… And Povetkin’s neck looks a little thicker… Wladimir almost looks pencil necked here.

And I don’t wear a tie to things like this… This isn’t a wedding.

Posted September 30, 2013 9:22 pm 


TARK

@Hidalgo.., Povetkin will come into the ring at no less than 225.. Wladimir will weigh no more than 245.. So AP is giving up 15 to 20 pounds max..

Wladimir gave up 26 pounds to Jameel McCline.. and weight or height or both to Ray Austin.. Tony Thompson.. Derrick Jefferson… and Mariuze Wach.

Posted September 30, 2013 7:37 pm 


punch

Wlad the octupus Klit by KO in mid round. What a mismatch this will be.

Posted September 30, 2013 7:09 pm 


Jimmy

Lol Povetkin’s best chance is the robbery, I like that one

Posted September 30, 2013 7:03 pm 


mayweather 86

Wlad with a relatively easy mid round stoppage.

Posted September 30, 2013 6:51 pm 


Luke

Tis is an error!! CJ Ross and Gewn Adair have been assigned as judges!!

Posted September 30, 2013 6:35 pm 


Decker

@ Spin The Kinks
Exactly

@ KL
“Wlad has a fantastic record as world champ……but has he been good for generating interest in the sport of boxing…..that’s debatable.”

He has generated plenty of interest – certainly in Europe – and in other parts of the world. Americans tend to loose interest unless they’re dominating. Kinda like I’ll take my ball and go home if you won’t let me win. Sad.

I should know, although I’m not like most of them.

Posted September 30, 2013 6:23 pm 


KL

By rights this should be the heavyweight “The fight of the century”…….but
unfortunately neither boxer generates too much excitement in the ring.
Haye vs Fury, or Wilder vs good opponent seems to generate more buzz than these 2. Only a fews days to go but it seems very few boxing fans are getting too excited.
Wlad has a fantastic record as world champ……but has he been good for generating interest in the sport of boxing…..that’s debatable.

Posted September 30, 2013 5:42 pm 


Jkk

Let’s hope the judges aren’t the same ones as the Chavez jr and Vera fight

Posted September 30, 2013 5:09 pm 


Brazilian Boxing Fan

I believe Wladimir will win by KO or TKO.

Posted September 30, 2013 4:24 pm 


Hidalgo

Sorry, Wlad is only 4″ taller than Povetkin. LMAO!

Posted September 30, 2013 4:03 pm 


K2 Fan

Hidalgo ; what’s your point ? There are bigger and heavier guys out there
so why are THEY not champions ? Have you ever considered the possibility ,
that size and bulk is not all it takes ? Probably not , otherwise you wouldn’t be writing stupid stuff like this . Also , if you are so interested in Merryweather , you’re in the wrong pew !

Posted September 30, 2013 3:55 pm 


eric

Klitschko will get ko d

Posted September 30, 2013 3:52 pm 


Hidalgo

One of the giant “heavyweights” is going to face another significantly smaller foe. Povetkin will come into the ring 5″ shorter, around 30 lbs lighter, and with 6″ less reach than Wlad. This is a regular occurrence in the heavyweight division–this huge size disparity–yet people moan and whine like babies because Mayweather fought someone that might outweigh him by 18-20 pounds on fight night. Yet, throughout their career, the Klitschkos as well as other so-called “heavyweights” have enjoyed significant physical advantage over their opponents. The heavyweight division is the most unfair division in all of boxing. Po’ little Floyd, he had to fight a guy who only outweighed him by 15 pounds, and who was 1″ taller than him, but had 1 1/2″ less reach than Floyd.

There’s a lot more wrong with boxing than just corrupt judging and poor refereeing.

Posted September 30, 2013 3:42 pm 


TARK

I expect Povetkin to fight an Imbragimov type of fight — try to last 12 stinky rounds, and see if he can get a robbery awarded to him.

Posted September 30, 2013 3:32 pm 


namm

This is basically a WBA unification bout, so why the hell it’s WBO that’s choosing the referee and the judges?

Posted September 30, 2013 3:29 pm 


WHAT!?!

I would not be surprised if Povetkin wet his pants in front of the world when the Ref says “Now touch gloves” and he knows this is it and there is no where to go.

Posted September 30, 2013 3:24 pm 



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