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Old Yank

toosalty — In the stand-up sport of boxing, taking a man off his feet is only surmounted by him being unable to get back up inside the count of 10. Some fans feel a 10-8 round can be easily overcome on a scorecard by simply winning the round but for the knockdown; most judges do not. It is a BIG DEAL to take a man off his feet in a stand up sport — a VERY BIG DEAL!

Posted October 1, 2013 11:28 am 


Old Yank

toosalty — With all due respect, you are wrong; Trout did NOT land more punches in the majority of rounds. Alvarez landed more punches in 6 rounds and Trout landed more punches in 6 rounds. If a bout were scored based on cumulative “flow”, then it is true that Trout threw more and landed more over the course of the bout. But a bout is NOT scored on cumulative flow, it is scored one round at a time. At times the flow of a bout gives a different impression then what is happening on a round by round basis. Each round in the 10-point must system is scored as if it is the ONLY round in the bout. In the Alvarez/Trout bout two reasonably sound judges were perfectly capable of seeing the same close round as even, for Trout or for Alvarez — it was a close bout. One of the major flaws in the 10-point must system is the absence of scoring for momentum from round to round and flow over the course of a bout.

I’ve proposed in the past adding one more 10 point must score — an “over-all score”. The way it would work is simple: After scoring the final round, a judge adds one more 10-p;oint must score to the card — who did the judge see winning the fight over-all? This “13th Round” would allow for mitigating the flaws in the 10-point must system.

Posted October 1, 2013 10:37 am 


toosalty

Old Yank

I feel like Vera won this fight too, but the point that im trying to make is everyone complaining about effective punching, Chavez being out boxed/outworked etc. Where were all of YOU with the Robbery against Canelo/Trout. No body cared, Old Yank you said yourself that you gave the fight to Canelo by 1 rd how, when in most of the rds Trout threw more and landed more even bring the rd where he was knocked down to a 10/9 rd.

Posted October 1, 2013 10:11 am 


robe

CJ Ross has company. If public outcry made her hide, why isn’t the same happening against the judges of this fight? I find it difficult to believe there’s no discrimination against male judges. While her card was wrong, at least it didnt’ affect the decision. Right now, CJ Ross is a saint in comparison. I’d take the lesser of the two evils.

Posted October 1, 2013 10:06 am 


robe

Yes, this was a robbery …it was criminal. Similar to the robbery inflicted on Pac vs- Bradley. Bradley can claim he saw the fight many times and thinks he won but he will never say he lost. He just wont. If Bradley knew just the basics of psych, he would know that the more you think something is real, the more you will also believe it to be true, the way he does now. So, naturally he’s going to be in denial. There’s too much at stake for him to say otherwise. A person of good character he is not. For being a chump, Floyd should never grant a fake champion the opportunity to share the same ring as him.

Posted October 1, 2013 9:59 am 


Jimmy

Chavez barely won the fight. He looked awful.

Posted October 1, 2013 1:45 am 


Detroitko

The fight was closer than judges had it no doubt but Chavez Jr landed ALL the HUGE shots in the fight.

Posted September 30, 2013 9:53 pm 


Old Yank

toosalty — I am old school. I place significant emphasis on clean, effective punching and defense, ring generalship and effective aggression all take a big back seat. However, I judge a bout one round at a time. Once the scores are in the boxes the round is forgotten. I do not think about how hard a fighter was rocked in the prior round — the prior round is done; it has NO BEARING on my score for the next round. Yes, harder shots should impress a judge more than softer shots. But no face can end up looking like Chavez’s face looked and conclude that he was not eating hard shots. We do not have a punch-o-meter giving us readings as we watch the bout. Eventually if a fighter taking hard shots seems undeterred by the shots and at the same time is seriously out-working and out-landing his opponent, credit must accrue to the more active and scoring fighter. C’mon bro, Vera out-landed Chavez in 8 of the 10 rounds and sent Chavez to the locker room looking for a jumbo pair of sunglasses to hide the evidence. You asked for the Fisher Price version, I gave it to you. Alvarez and Trout each had 6 rounds where they out-landed their opponent. Vera and Chavez were not even close — Vera out-landing in 8 of 10 rounds. There is no comparison between the two bouts.

Posted September 30, 2013 8:58 pm 


toosalty

Old Yank

Even in the rds where he was not rocked, Chavez still landed the more meaningful punches Harder shots. See boxing is funny like that how do we know if the punches where harder right, its however we feel or who is the fighter we like best or the more popular fighter at the time. I cant say Vera won and Trout lost, if you guys dont wanna give other fighters the same benefit of the doubt. If you love the sport and not the fighter, country,race and call the fights fair and square. We cant do that because of Money,Country,hate, and plain ignorance about what the sweet science really is. Not meaning you Old Yank just us as fans watching.

Posted September 30, 2013 5:29 pm 


birdhead

Punkass Chavez Jr. is nothing like his dad.

Posted September 30, 2013 5:21 pm 


Old Yank

toosalty — Fair enough question.

I had Trout losing by one point — the knockdown being the difference. In Alvarez/Trout, Trout landed 26 more punches than Alvarez, however, on a round by round basis, each landed more punches than their opponent in an even split of 6 rounds a piece (a fight is judges one round at a time). Indeed, the punches of Alvarez had more zip on them but Trout landed more over the entire bout. But boxing is a collection of 3 minute bouts that are over after 3 minutes and you must go on to the next 3 minute bout – judge one round at a time. In Vera/Chavez, Vera not only landed 51 more punched than Chavez but he out-landed Chavez in 8 of the 10 rounds. I gave Chavez all three rounds where he MOMENTARILY shook Vera. But I gave Vera all the rounds where he was not rocked and where he clearly out-worked and clearly out-landed Chavez. In one bout the fighters split landing the most punches on a round-by-round basis while in the other it was 8 of 10 rounds favoring Vera. I hope that’s Fisher Price enough.

Posted September 30, 2013 4:16 pm 


toosalty

OLD YANK

My point is how can you see Vera winning and see Trout loosing, i dont understand. what do you judge in a fight, and when do you judge what you are judging IM JUST SAYING HELP ME UNDERSTAND FISHER PRICE IT FOR ME

Posted September 30, 2013 4:03 pm 


toosalty

OLD YANK

Im just saying bet you had Trout lossing to canelo too right

Posted September 30, 2013 4:00 pm 


Old Yank

toosalty — I saw Vera hurt too. Three times. So I gave Chavez all three of those rounds. What about the other 7 rounds!?

Posted September 30, 2013 3:59 pm 


Old Yank

Chavez Jr does NOT sell tickets — or at least not any more. The “house” was more than HALF EMPTY last Saturday night (it holds 8,000). Arum claims that 5,000 seats were filled. The photos of the venue when the main event came off tell a very different picture. It looked to me like fewer than 4,000 were in attendance.

Posted September 30, 2013 3:37 pm 


ha

Title should be “Vera beats Chavez Jr then gets robbed”

Posted September 30, 2013 2:38 pm 


SREDMOND

Chavez Jr, sell tickets so he’s being extended ALOT of courtesy which is naturally unfair… His day of reckoning is fast approaching as he will be forced to face bigger and bigger boxers… Its just a matter of time before someone really lays it on him… There was a period where I respected his improvements, but his regression cannot be ignored he lacks the tempermant and discipline to be a serious top boxer but his name is gonna bring him a few more million…

Posted September 30, 2013 12:30 pm 


mack

This was a bad decision, but I think we all knew that anything remotely close would go to Chavez. That being said, this was a dismal showing by Chavez. He was slow, easy to hit and gassed after a couple of rounds. He needs a real trainer, and he needs to actually train. His father was a fine fighter, but has he ever trained anyone? The big time is no place for novices. Even preliminary boys make weight. Any of the top men at 168 would have stopped Chavez at present form.

Posted September 30, 2013 10:50 am 


Ray Ray

I feel 4 Vera….on the plus side We’ll get 2 c Chavez get destroyed if he takes on a bigger name. Jr’s days r numbered

Posted September 30, 2013 6:48 am 


Fight Aficionado

“I dont know what all the fuss is about, we all know boxing is bent and this wont be the last time it happens, but we will all still carry on watching it, so whats the point in moaning.” — MentalMickey that’s a fatalistic attitude. It’s also not entirely true. I watch less boxing today than I did a decade ago. This decline corresponded with an increase in robberies, mismatches and blatant favoritism for the house fighters.

Posted September 30, 2013 3:36 am 


Y’ALL SO WHITE

Because Redmond himself doesn’t stir up racism himself? LO-F’N-L.

Posted September 30, 2013 3:36 am 


Y’ALL SO STUPID

Clearly some posters here are posing as S Redmond to stir up racial hatred. They are sad, delusional dimwits!

Posted September 30, 2013 2:55 am 


MMendoza

Vera was robbed fighting a light, heavyweight for all intent and purpose. Chavez is light heavyweight who will probably never fight in that weight. Hopefully, Vera will get the rematch.

Posted September 30, 2013 1:31 am 


SRACEMOND

the watsons must be stopped.

Posted September 30, 2013 12:36 am 


box fan

This fight just proved how overrated Chávez is and how corrupt judges and boxing is the next time i see Chávez fight will be when he fight someone his size ( K BROS ABOUT SAME WEIGHT) and lay him out.

Posted September 29, 2013 9:14 pm 


david d.

WTF are the father and twin sons that walk Haymon’s fighter’s into the ring, constantly talking crap into the fighter’s ear, before and after the fight, as they make sure they are in every camera shot? And nobody around them, including the boxers, seem to be payiing any attention to them. It’s a circus act that is promoted by the promoters, state boxing commissions, and networks. And for the pc sensitive, none of this criticism has to do with racism…it’s the content of their character.

Posted September 29, 2013 9:10 pm 


david d.

If you read through the lines of “DOWNTOWN DEXTER,” he has a strong point….seriously, it’s not pc yet true to the core.

Posted September 29, 2013 9:01 pm 


“Downtown” doo doo stain

Downtown Dexter is hot garbage straight from the backalleys of downtown…in fact, he’s an abortion that lived and suffered numerous humiliating accounts of verbal abuse as a child considering he literally looks like he fell off the ugly tree and hit everybranch on his way down with his face, into a cesspool of bile.

Posted September 29, 2013 7:42 pm 


malachi

Chavez should be ashamed of himself he know he easily lost that fight, now that’s the real sad thing for our sport…yuuup!

Posted September 29, 2013 7:25 pm 


malachi

downtown dexter` nobody got time for your skin head racism get off the forum man, I hope they ban you son,..it’s cazy!

Posted September 29, 2013 7:22 pm 


DEXTER MORGAN

I agree Adrian… Chavez is a super bum and flabby, weed munch, wanna be bully, p-ssy, looking for refferee help…

Posted September 29, 2013 5:41 pm 


Adrian

And that judge Marty denkin he scored in the fight breadly vs provodnikov and gave it to breadly for more activity but here he gives it to Chavez hahahahahahaha …he is clearly a corrupt and bought judge !!!

Posted September 29, 2013 5:33 pm 


Adrian

What a robbery !!! Wow!!! And that b@itcccc lederman after saying how good the judges are before the fight started making escuses after the fight for them …this was a shame !!! A di blame hbo comentators too because they were commenting so much about Chavez as soon as he landed one punch but totaly overlooked Vera who was kicking Chavez but all night and as a much smaller guy then Chavez he was stalking him all night !!!they should be ashamed of themselfs for taking Vera’s fight like that !

Posted September 29, 2013 5:29 pm 


shaolinwarriormark

Ok just watched the fight a third time and honestly only gave chavez 3 rounds to veras 7!!!! Vera needs a rematch!!!!

Posted September 29, 2013 5:13 pm 


KILLA

Boxing pro-fighting is DEAD now we have the Boxing reality TV era (24/7 and All access)
Golden boy Vs Top Rank
HBO vs Showtime
Arum vs Al Haymond
Underdog fighters Vs Reality TV fighters
Media divas Vs Hype fighters
Rap starts fighter Vs poor fighters
Pimps, hoes, bouncers, cars, Bentleys, shows directed by fighters, Justin Beaber, Lil Wayne, MTV boxing cribs, spoiled children of legends boxers, MGM CASINO MAFIA…etc..Boxing is a big reality show like house wives of Orange county…

Posted September 29, 2013 5:03 pm 


RB

How the heck did he get 8 rounds on a scorecard? Vera served up nothing but over hand right opportunities early & looked like he was 20 lbs lighter. Chavez had every advantage and it was clear that he lost. Any fighter worth their salt with 40+ fights and that many advantages would have beat Vera. The fact is that Vera gave up every contractual advantage, still went in there, poured his heart into it & won. It’s clear that Chavez has not progressed from what he was at less than 20 fights. He’s definitely not champ material.

Posted September 29, 2013 4:34 pm 


Tomato Can Stan

Its this kinda of crap that makes me stop watching boxing. Chavez was a crybaby in this fight and completely out of shape. He does not have the drive his father had, but instead riding on the name. Pot smoking, not making weight, throwing tandrums in the ring…….he is not respectful of the sport or does not take it seriously. If not for his natural power he would be just a pedestarian fighter. They robbed Vera because they don’t want this match to effect any superfights down the road to preserve the Chavez commodity. Vera was not to suoppse to win. But if Chavez keeps showing up at fights like this, its a matter of time before he is beaten.

Posted September 29, 2013 3:26 pm 


dtoyS

HBO and its crooked judges at it again, HBO will TRY to use Chavez NAME to bring some of the big Mexican/Latinos PPV buyers like the one Canelo is bringing to Showtime.

Posted September 29, 2013 3:11 pm 


JoeKidd

Title should be changed. It cannot be “defeats” Vera in robbery. Show some balls & flat out state it the way it is.

Posted September 29, 2013 2:04 pm 


1200 Techs

I thought HBO did an ok job in not verbally felating the house fighter…Stevenson Cloud was an awesome fight!!…let’s not overlook that either..I75 just started getting interesting…let’s see if Chavez has any balls and steps up to his real weight class. Carson booed his ass and he was the guy they went to see!

Back to Stevenson vs cloud….man cloud has a chin! He was taking some bombs in there..Stevenson vs kovalev would be fireworks!! Stevenson is a real fighter… you can just tell…kovalev is cut from the same cloth….hopefully when the dusts settles, it’ll be these two facing each other… #gladiators

Posted September 29, 2013 1:45 pm 


Dionysus

PE, that was funny when the ref told Chavez to quit crying and fight. Lol. Also, I think it’s cool that this is a article post that everyone is in unison and agreement that Vera got robbed. Very cool that every single person is on te same page!

Posted September 29, 2013 1:14 pm 


flash knock down

HBO is at fault for selling there customers a bad product. I don’t care who got paid off who’s not a good judge,what promoter,at the end of the day it is HBO who is putting the flawed product out here. Stop paying HBO EVERY MONTH AND YOU WILL SEE A CHANGE EMEDITLY.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:45 pm 


Old Coot

Judge Carla Catz is the only one who came close to fair with her 96-94 for Chavez Jr…. And even she robbed Vera… I just don’t know WHAT the Hell the other two judges were on, that skewed their vision THAT badly.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:35 pm 


Tomato Can

Chavez, is a whiner just like his dad was. I still remember Sr. Screaming F U Don King, after Randell beat him in their first fight.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:33 pm 


Tomato Can

I think a lot of people just don’t like Chavez so they gave Vera all the close rounds. I can understand that. I don’t see how the one ref had it 98-92, but I can see anything from 97-93 Chavez to 94-96 Vera. The better punches were landed by Chavez, But Vera was much busier. The problem was Vera was missing a lot, as shown by Compubox, and He would let Chavez even and over take rounds by taking too many good shots. Hey but I don’t expect to change anyone’s mind here. After watching the fight twice, I had it 96-94 and 96-95 Chavez, and could have easily scored a couple of the wounds for Vera instead of Chavez…

Posted September 29, 2013 12:32 pm 


IRON MIKE

I guess we can safely say that HBO does not = an HONEST BOB OPERATION—HBO has just as much power in boxing as ARUM the WBC – WBA -IBF and yet they still let this crap happen, with the track record of Chavez not giving drug test results after fights, not making weight and shorting the length of the fight and yet HBO let it go on,they should have told Arum and Chavez to hit the road, If they did that then ARUM would have no wear to show his fixed fights, HBO use to be great for boxing but them days are over, you can bet they lost alot of fans last nite, like or hate Larry merchant at least he would have been yelling and bringing notice to the crap Arum shoved down our throats last nite,–PEACE

Posted September 29, 2013 12:21 pm 


Anonymous

Andre Ward is a terrible commentator. As for the decision, 96 94 Chavez is justifiable, though I had a draw. The other scores were bad.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:06 pm 


Pissedawthetime

Boycott PPV

Posted September 29, 2013 11:52 am 


LikeISeeIt

Vera is a hard-luck guy. I think early on Chavez was serious about his career. He has or had (a huge fan-base). However, after last night’s performance I think that will change. It was Vera who put in a noble and earnest effort (as he always does) and the crowd responded to him. Vera has been down this road before and he’ll just dust himself off, get right back up and look for his next opportunity.

Posted September 29, 2013 11:42 am 


Anonymous

“Its definitely time for a sanctioning body to step in (and not Suliman) and try to clean this mess up.”

Jezz how naive are you????

They are ALL in on it!

WAKE UP!

Posted September 29, 2013 11:39 am 


Anonymous

Dionysus “This was I think the worst robbery I have ever seen since I’ve been watching boxing.”

Clearly you did not see Richard Abril win every single round against Brandon Rios and he STILL LOST!

All boxing promoters are vile corrupt evil scum. They have ruined the sport of boxing.

Don’t pay to watch boxing! Don’t go to fights. Don’t pay to watch it on TV!

Don’t give them YOUR money!

Posted September 29, 2013 11:36 am 


PEEJ

Gwen Adair (98-92), Carla Caiz (96-94) and Marty Denkin (97-93)

There ya go TJ

Posted September 29, 2013 11:33 am 


TJ

RIGHT ABOUT NOW CANELO ALVAREZ is asking his camp to get him CHAVEZ JNR “right now!”
Canelo would box his ears off and set himself up for big pay days if the chump could get anywhere near to the 160 or even 165lbs limit.

But, realistically CHAVEZ would struggle to make 175lbs where he would be DESTROYED by SUPERMAN STEVENSON, KOVALEV and schooled by HOPKINS.

We could be looking at the end of a once-promising career, ruined by THE MUNCHIES, which that OLD BUZZARD ROB ARUM thinks is okay!!!!!!!

He got a gift decision vs VADEN a few years back also…..

ANYONE know the judges for a bit of NAME AND SHAME????

Posted September 29, 2013 11:16 am 


1-2

Terrible decision!! Arum is the ring leader with Chavez Jr as his main clown in this circus they made boxing to be. These two brought boxing back 20 years with their crap. Its definitely time for a sanctioning body to step in (and not Suliman) and try to clean this mess up. Gov McCain tried about 10 years ago and had a good plan. I love this sport but hate this!!

Posted September 29, 2013 11:11 am 


Ike

Just re-watched this fight. Yes, this was indeed a robbery. I scored it 97-93 Vera. Vera out landed Chavez in 8 of 10 rounds. It’s a fkn shame that this great sport is so often ruined by pre-determined outcomes. Boxing judges clearly get bribed and/or are incompetant. And there’s no punishment for it. To the contrary, these judges will continue to be assigned to high profile, world championship fights. I know the sport I love is and probably always will be corrupt, but it’ll never stop me from wishing that wasn’t the case.

Posted September 29, 2013 11:10 am 


thetruth101

That was a disgrace! Jr was fat, outta shape, uninspired, lazy fighter. Vera won and those crooked judges robbed the man. The only thing Jr has going for him is his Fathers name. If his last name was something else he’s be no where! What a BUM!

Posted September 29, 2013 10:45 am 


CAM

Bob Arum is poison to the Sport

Posted September 29, 2013 10:38 am 


James

Vera won that fight.

Posted September 29, 2013 10:38 am 


Benny

Arum is like the crooked jews in Washington. Arum has been horrible for boxing. Arum grew up a hustler. When it comes to money like all jews Arum is in it for himself.

Posted September 29, 2013 10:37 am 


DADDY SR PLESE talk 2 JR

Sr u should be ashamed at your son. This was a pitful of a fight. Jr looked like u at your 100th fight.

Posted September 29, 2013 10:34 am 


Joey

No doubt out of shape, being chase by the smaller fighter. yes he made big power punches Chavez did. that being said he will lose fan base and will not be big ticket fighter anymore he is an embarrassment to boxing, i was embarrassed for him.hopefully he will mature as a person and fighter with new baby.

Posted September 29, 2013 10:19 am 


srminimo

At some point Chavez is going to have to fight a serious 168/175 pounder and he’s going to get hurt. A guy like Froch will absolutely damage this kid. Vera was robbed, but he still came out roses: He made good money, came out with a clean bill of health, and looked pretty good in what was universally considered a size mismatch. Bottom line, Vera is game but limited, this fight gives him another interesting fight in the future. Good for him.

Posted September 29, 2013 10:06 am 


Love-the-Sport

I think Chavez Jr. has been very disrespectful to boxing and he is limiting his career and limiting his money potential and not living up to his overall potential as a fighter and an attraction.

Junior has the chance to be a great fighter — but he does not seem to care.

Having said that, this was a close fight.

For those of you who thought Vera won in a blowout, then you are happy that the judges gave Bradley the win over Pacquiao — because it was exactly the same thing.

I would have to go back and look at the fight again and really count the significant blows by Vera — but my guess is if you really count the significant blows by Vera and the significant blows by Chavez, then this fight was probably a draw and at best a split decision win by Vera or Chavez. Very close.

I don’t think either fighter should have won by big scores.

So, the judges look like idiots not because they gave Chavez the win — but because they gave Chavez the win big. And it really was a close fight.

Posted September 29, 2013 9:56 am 


Old Yank

When a man gets to be 80 years old one would hope that a semblance of virtue could be seen in his principles. When the PED issue came up regarding Mayweather/Pacquiao Bob Arum was handed a golden opportunity to take a principled stand against doping in boxing. He did not.

When Antonio Margarito was found loading his gloves, Arum was handed a golden opportunity to take a principled stand against glove loading. He did not.

When Chavez, jr. in his serial offenses of weight issues was in need of moving weight from 162 to 168 and then to 173, Arum was handed a golden opportunity to take a principled stand against fighter sloth and silver spoon privileges. He did not.

It is abundantly clear that Arum is not driven by any virtuous principles; he’s driven by greed and greed alone. His greed has damaged the sport that has fed him all these years.

So in keeping with how this sport functions, I nominate Bob Arum for the HUMANITARIAN OF THE YEAR AWARD in boxing.

Posted September 29, 2013 9:43 am 


Hildy

Awful Decision…just awful

Posted September 29, 2013 9:37 am 


Old Yank

CORRECTED:

Q: What do you get when you mix Arum, Chavez jr. and HBO?

A: An abortion!

Posted September 29, 2013 9:31 am 


Old Yank

Q: What do you get when you mic Arum, Chavez jr. and HBO?

A: An abortion!

Posted September 29, 2013 9:31 am 


Done Deal

Chavez lost. He got a gift decision because 1.)if he lost it would ruined some bigger events for boxing in the future 2.)His last name 3.) His promoter. Reminds me of when Oscar should have lost to Felix Sterum, but was given the decision because it would have ruined that fight being set up between Oscar and B-Hop. Chavez Jr. is an undisciplined fighter with a poor work ethic. He should be fighting at light heavy but he knows he has no advantages there. Cant use the steroids any more to cut weight so what is he going to do.

Posted September 29, 2013 9:30 am 


PEEJ

Vera very clearly won this fight. He was the busier puncher and he was landing power punches. Did they look as hard as Chavezs 1 punch pot shots, no they didn’t but that doesn’t mean he wasn’t landing power punches. This is a shame and I believe it has everything to do with Arum. What is funny is that since this is Arums little cash fighter he has not said a single word about the scoring like he did in the Pac vs Bradley fight or any other fight that Arum thought the scoring was a travesty.

Posted September 29, 2013 9:22 am 


dexter

A juiced up crying cheat

Posted September 29, 2013 9:22 am 


EZ E

BOXTRA I predicted that the Vera would have to win AT LEAST 7 CLEAR ROUNDS to get a draw. Seems like he DID but still lost. So I guess I was I was wrong, huh? hmmm… I kind’a remember that YOU predicted a KNOCKOUT win for Chavez, right? Well, OFFICAILLY he “won” but in REALITY he LOST and DIDN’T get the KNOCKOUT YOU PREDICTED but you will STILL beat your chest all over ESB declaring how “right” you were?? “Right”?? ahhhh… I gotta hand it to you Boxtra ol’ boy, there’s definitely NO SHAME IN YOUR GAME. Oh well, whatever makes you feel “important” I guess is okay for your & your own personal mental health. Forget I even mentioned it. Later!

Posted September 29, 2013 8:56 am 


JoeKidd

Best refereeing I’ve seen in quite a while. Probably will be out of a job now!

Posted September 29, 2013 8:46 am 


JoeKidd

When are you guys going to be blunt about the fact that it is NOT incompetence. It’s called being PAID OFF. These judges get 2 to 3 thousand per fight. How much would it take to buy them off? Especially when there’s no penalty for being “incompetent”?

Posted September 29, 2013 8:38 am 


Ned

It was an entertaining battle. Hats off to Vera who gave Chavez Jr. a real beating. Nowadays in U.S. boxing a chosen fighter gets the win if the big money’s backing him. It’s still fun to watch though. You just have to accept the stench of corruption.

Posted September 29, 2013 8:29 am 


The Mad Scientist

PE – you’re too much dude..LMAO!

Posted September 29, 2013 8:24 am 


Dionysus

This was I think the worst robbery I have ever seen since I’ve been watching boxing. I am embarrassed for the sport. Vera put his time and work in and just flat out was a victim of criminal behavior. Vera is a Champion, period. He handled himself in the post fight interview with alot more self control than I would have given. This will make Chavez an even more unlinked fighter. If his dad is the legend that he appears to be he should actually pay it forward and say Vera won, and save face for himself.

Posted September 29, 2013 8:15 am 


Ike

Can’t wait to see Chavez get his ass kicked vs. Ward or GGG. He’s a bum, point blank. If you’re a fan of his, you’re just a Mexican holding on to the glory days of Julio Cesar Chavez Sr. I have never seen such a stupid, circus atmosphere where they determined the weight of the fight was determined 2 days before the weigh-in. Two days! And I thought I has seen it all in this too often frustrating, pro-wrestling type sport. As far as last night’s fight, Vera land 50 more punches (in a 10 round fight), but Chavez was more accurate. Chavez probably earned some extra points for rocking Vera a few times, but that’ll happen when you allow a fight weight of 173 lbs. the week of the fight when the challenger is a 160 lb’er who was supposed to be fighting at 168 lbs.

Posted September 29, 2013 7:53 am 


CurlyQ.Howard

“Check out the judge that the WBA assigned to Klitschko-Povetkin!!!

Ted Gimza, from the U.S.A, in Illinois, is a well known convicted felon. He was just convicted of Class 2 Felony Weapons charges, in IL, on July 29, 2013. He is currently on FELONY PROBATION!! His case number, in Lake County, IL, is 12CF382. He also has a previous robbery conviction, is a multiple DUI offender, and was once charged with MURDER!!” So my question is just how does Ted Gizma get the state department okay to travel to Russia, and why does Russia allow him in? Oh well, maybe the Russians need a Chicagoan to help them really learn about corruption.

Posted September 29, 2013 7:20 am 


Jonn E JaGozza

Chavez struggled in this fight , yes he is the son of a legend but doesn’t fight like his dad. I thought the fight was a draw, but again Jr did nothing to impress me and he will continue to struggle in his career,,,, PEACE
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Posted September 29, 2013 6:45 am 


Anonymous

moronmickey, casual fans will not carry on watching. this hurts the sport, dumb ass.

Posted September 29, 2013 6:27 am 


CurlyQ.Howard

“Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

CurlyQ.Howard: FYI, I missed the Jones vs. Gustafsson fight. Although I will see it see it soon enough and score it as objectively as possible. Of course bad decisiones happen from time to time in UFC/MMA, but if you think it’s nearly as common as it is in pro boxing, you’re totally delusional.” I won’t disagree that the bd decisions happen more often in boxing, but the Jones – Gustafsson fight was the biggest fight in MMA this year and I could not avoid mentioning it.

Posted September 29, 2013 6:22 am 


Roberto

Boxing is all about business for a while , If you want to win against a big name like Chavez you need to really beat him not like Vera , you can not win a fight only because you had more punches … that was not enough to give him the decision , of course the scoring was a joke but Chavez would have won anyway , split decision would have sound better…

Posted September 29, 2013 6:21 am 


Jeff Kerns

Check out the judge that the WBA assigned to Klitschko-Povetkin!!!

Ted Gimza, from the U.S.A, in Illinois, is a well known convicted felon. He was just convicted of Class 2 Felony Weapons charges, in IL, on July 29, 2013. He is currently on FELONY PROBATION!! His case number, in Lake County, IL, is 12CF382. He also has a previous robbery conviction, is a multiple DUI offender, and was once charged with MURDER!!

Posted September 29, 2013 6:17 am 


Jeff Kerns

Does anyone at all actually screen these judges, in any way, before they receive these assignments?

Posted September 29, 2013 6:09 am 


punch

Chavez Jr won the fight whilst Vera won the Boxing match. Chavez landed the hardest punch whilst Vera landed more punches though less damaging or was it Chavez Jr chin that gave me this impression. Anyway, I score the fight for Vera.

Posted September 29, 2013 5:59 am 


TNT

I sall the fight I don’t think the decision was bad, Brian Verra is a lousy fighter slow, cant punch, sucks

Posted September 29, 2013 5:42 am 


MentalMickey

I dont know what all the fuss is about, we all know boxing is bent and this wont be the last time it happens, but we will all still carry on watching it, so whats the point in moaning.

Posted September 29, 2013 4:38 am 


Doggie

Wow. Thats why a lot of people can’t watch or respect our sport. It’s very inconsistant in what matters, the sane rules don’t apply to all the fighters. Shame shame.

Posted September 29, 2013 4:14 am 


Johnny

I had it a draw being pro Vera on close rounds. The judges scores were definitely out of line with reality the fight reminded me of Canelo vs Trout. I cant say that it was a robbery though Vera had virtually no defense and let his block get knocked off with big vicious haymakers the whole fight.

Posted September 29, 2013 4:13 am 


Harry

you are posting your comments to fast slow down??????????
WTF is that all about?????????
This website is a bigger joke than the sport it covers.

Posted September 29, 2013 4:06 am 


Anonymous

””BOXING , NO LONGER A SPORT””ONLY A BUSINESS . REMEMBER THOSE ‘ ”’JUDGES ”’NAME !!!!

Posted September 29, 2013 3:33 am 


DADDY SR PLESE talk 2 JR

Chavez Sr needs to sit down with jr and say you shouldn’t be in there. You take too many hits take your money and go to college

Posted September 29, 2013 3:33 am 


Cry

FIRE the judges and FIRE Andre Ward !!!

Posted September 29, 2013 3:31 am 


JJ

Chavez Jr – a perfect example of a fighter that doesn’t belong in the ring. He looked like a fighter that already had one too many fights.

Posted September 29, 2013 3:30 am 


ROMMMEET

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!! judges suck !!! BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Posted September 29, 2013 3:28 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

As with the recent travasty in Scotland where Ricky Burns got the nod(wrongly) this brings a strong case for the return of 15 round championship contests. The extra 3 rounds could prove vital.
As for Chavez his easiest way to a belt would be a move to 168Lb & a clash with WBC title holder Sakio Bika. I’m sure Jose Suliman could swing it for him.

Posted September 29, 2013 3:20 am 


Fight Aficionado

Once again real boxing fans must ask ourselves why we bother watching? So many times the clear cut winner is robbed of his hard work due to corrupt judges. I won’t say “corrupt or incompetent” judges because it gives them too much credit. One day boxing will be investigated and criminal charges will be filed against various judges and state officials. Meantime all we and the beat reporters do is complain about judges. What else is there to do? Throw a grenade at the ring.

Posted September 29, 2013 2:31 am 


Savagekat

Vera, Brazos!!

Posted September 29, 2013 2:26 am 


Farmboxer

Chavez clearly lost the fight. Vera was robbed. This is one reason I am not watching boxing as much as I used to. 98 – 2 ?! Boxing is destroy itself. I think the fans should declare Vera the winner and not recognize the decision of the criminal judges. They appeared to have their cards already filled out before the fight!

Posted September 29, 2013 2:23 am 


the old basheroo’

the only thing that stinks more than the decision is Tark – a multi-poster security guard (aka “tomato can”) whose busts butt!

Posted September 29, 2013 2:21 am 


C.Morgan

Chavez Jr. was a much better fighter under Freddie Roach, look at the new Chavez, trying to be a slick defensive mover but still got tattooed repeatedly the entire fight, ever punch he threw was a home run haymaker and slow as hell.

Vera on the other hand has a great fighting style, he is like a pocket sized Jack Dempsey without the power, if only he had a little more punching power but hey, when you are a small middleweight fighting against a cruiserweight its hard to hurt them.

Vera won easily but Chavez Jr. has the name the money and the political backing.

Could you imagine that Chavez Jr. from tonight in against Andre Ward or B Hop at 175, he wouldn’t land a single blow.

Posted September 29, 2013 2:12 am 


JAY

Did anybody see that mans face, he looked like the loser. Jim lampley should have asked chavez jr. if he wanted to press charges, he beat up. When chavez wakes up in the morning and sees his face will he be able to say well the other guy looks worse?

Posted September 29, 2013 2:10 am 


shaggy1970

I was rooting for Chávez but vera was the winner Tonight.

Posted September 29, 2013 2:00 am 


Golovkin fan

Chavez Jr cannot do condition management.
The surroundings are indulging him.
His practice is imsufficient.

Posted September 29, 2013 1:57 am 


Jim Rich

I loved it when the ref told chavez jr to stop whining. Vera should haves said I won and I’m moving on. I wouldn’t beg for a rematch against a hype job fighter like chavez jr. First it said I’m posting to slow and then to quickly, only on this website whats up with that anyway.

Posted September 29, 2013 1:53 am 


el tango

thats a disgrace in boxing just because of a fighter whom with a legendary family name then whe give that fight?,thats stupid!.vera clearly landed multiple punches against chavez one punch retaliate oh boy thats stupid decision!.

Posted September 29, 2013 1:43 am 


GaryintheBronx

Anonymous You’re right – Chavez Jr vs Adonis would be a disaster – Jr. would still come in overweight, get stunned a dozen times by crunching right and left hooks, make a smelly poo in his pants, kick the poo at Michael Buffer, body slam the referee out of frustration and still get 8 of the 12 rounds on phony scorecards. Seriously though, I’ve never disliked Chavez Jr. …. Got no problem with Mary Jane, I like to eat a lot too and I know that Martinez would have never made it through a 13th round so it’s the things that include but are not limited to the three judge thing, one referee that never seems to be the right age, height or proper IQ, the number of people who can stop a match and the wacky match-ups (#25 fighting #243?) that are televised and the fact these fighters have no kind of union irritates me too. Some of us don’t like organized football with it’s 12 actual minutes of action and 2 hours of BS, we don’t watch basketball with it’s wacky players moving from team to team every season or baseball sack scratchers – We just want boxing to be pure and something we can spectate with our wives, nephews, friends, whoever. But who wants to have to talk someone into watching a bout when the last bout they watched they immediately proclaimed “This is fixed and it’s rubbish!”. Anyone could see Vera trained his arse off for this fight and for his reward he was left to calmly plead for a Chavez rematch. How is this explainable?

Posted September 29, 2013 1:35 am 


TARK

Those judges were bought.. This was one of the most disgusting decisions in a long time. Boxing is a crooked business, and there’s no cooperation real effort to straightening it out.

Posted September 29, 2013 1:32 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

CurlyQ.Howard: FYI, I missed the Jones vs. Gustafsson fight. Although I will see it see it soon enough and score it as objectively as possible. Of course bad decisiones happen from time to time in UFC/MMA, but if you think it’s nearly as common as it is in pro boxing, you’re totally delusional.

Posted September 29, 2013 1:26 am 


Edgar Guevara

Judges are thief. Jim Lampley interviewed both fighters was fair to said Vera won the fight. Boxing is embarrassing. They robbed like the politician and street people.

Posted September 29, 2013 1:15 am 


Jim Rich

I sold my house and bet it all on vera 14 to 1, I want my money damn it or my house back.

Posted September 29, 2013 1:11 am 


mike

Hate boxing on the pay channels. Corrupt disgraceful. Watch friday night fights only. NOT SURE WHO THE BIGGEST SCUMBAGS. HBO COMMENTATORS, BOB ARUM, THE JUDGES OR THAT SNOT NOSE NO RESPECT JC Jr.

Posted September 29, 2013 1:06 am 


Anonymous

CurlyQ.Howard I agree, I’ll watch the Ward v Gatti trilogy.

Posted September 29, 2013 1:05 am 


CurlyQ.Howard

“This is perfect example of why I can barely stand pro boxing anymore. Vera won this fight, fair-and-square and got ROBBED blind.

If you want to see accurate scoring in combat sports, you have to watch UFC/MMA. Pro boxing has become nothing but a circus side-show. Sad, but true.”
If you believe what you wrote, then I guess that you didn’t see Jon Jones’ last fight.

Posted September 29, 2013 1:04 am 


juggernaut

Chavez Jr. is a disgrace to boxing and his existence in boxing is making his father legacy disappear.

Posted September 29, 2013 1:01 am 


Dave

What is the point. Why not just raise the hand of the winner before the fight starts.

Posted September 29, 2013 1:00 am 


CurlyQ.Howard

“I thought I couldn’t have been more disgusted throughout the fight while listening to HBO’s one-sided hype commentary as Vera nearly shut Chavez out. Then the decision came out.

If the commentators cannot provide loyal fans of the sport with at least moments of CATHARSIS, I don’t know why I bother watching when I know the crooked decisions themselves and the blatant disregard for making weight are already going to have me pissed off at the end of the night. This is why I hardly care about boxing anymore. Thank you HBO. Thank you racially charged special interests which lead to fixed fights and perfectly “managed” careers based on cynical calculations as to what demographic is the most profitable to exploit. Thank you boxing.” This.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:59 am 


victor

jcc jr is a cry baby and need cheats and frauds to get the W on his record, nobody that watched could see a 98-92 for him.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:57 am 


CurlyQ.Howard

Anonymous, Yes, I know that all too well. All I have to do if memory starts to fail is re-watch the final two Norton-Ali bouts.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:56 am 


Anonymous

GaryintheBronx do you really wanna see Stevenson beat the crap out of Chavez Jr and then watch Chubby pothead drunk Chavez Jr get the decision?? Because that’s what will happen, again.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:56 am 


terror tim

Chavez Jr is a joke. I wouldn’t pay a dime to see him fight and he doesn’t deserve a big fight and would get destroyed by most top fighters at 168 or 175.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:53 am 


Boxing is theatre

Boxing is fake don’t watch or buy pay perviews.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:53 am 


Boxing is theatre

I saw Chavez Jr. get beat by Billy Lyle in Mexico and he was given the unanimous decison. This Chavez Jr. got beat decisvely tonight. I feel sorry for fighters like Vera, they cannot win a decision under any situation.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:49 am 


Anonymous

I’m never gonna pay to watch boxing. It’s a total rip off. Anyone who pays to watch boxing is an idiot. It’s handing money to multi-millionaire con men who smile at you and laugh in your face as they pocket your cash.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:48 am 


art

I thought I couldn’t have been more disgusted throughout the fight while listening to HBO’s one-sided hype commentary as Vera nearly shut Chavez out. Then the decision came out.

If the commentators cannot provide loyal fans of the sport with at least moments of CATHARSIS, I don’t know why I bother watching when I know the crooked decisions themselves and the blatant disregard for making weight are already going to have me pissed off at the end of the night. This is why I hardly care about boxing anymore. Thank you HBO. Thank you racially charged special interests which lead to fixed fights and perfectly “managed” careers based on cynical calculations as to what demographic is the most profitable to exploit. Thank you boxing.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:43 am 


GaryintheBronx

The judges should have submitted their cards before the fight and taken free seats with the Chavez family. That would have been just as wicked yet more transparent. How is it after all these years and technological advances Boxing is not even experimenting with and incorporating internet voting? Qualify and select 33 international individuals, have them score these events that are televised and then let us the fans score how well those 33 judges performed the task. We will eventually only allow the very best to judge matches – trust us, we will sift out the trash quickly….. Time to get with the digital program. TO Brian Vera- You did a fantastic job and hope you can land the winner of GGG vs. Stevens. You deserve it. TO Chavez Jr: Eat some more and challenge Adonis – We will definitely tune in to see how you cry though that fight!

Posted September 29, 2013 12:43 am 


Hecdog

Boxing is so sadly corrupted. Brian vera deserved the win without QUESTION. Chavez is nothing more than a spoiled, pot head drunk that continues to get gift decisions. That one judge that had Chavez winning 8 rounds to 2 should be locked up in some ware house and slapped for days. Boxing will continue to lose credibility with these kinds of decisions.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:42 am 


Dionysus

Jim Lampley was kinda calling it right though. He said something to the effect of Chavez was given the nod because of his name not because he deserved it.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:42 am 


Boxing is theatre

HBO broadcast crew part of the hype, I just cannot believe it any more.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:39 am 


Anonymous

I wouldn’t be surprised if Manny won every single round, knocked Rios down 10 times, and STILL LOST!

Posted September 29, 2013 12:39 am 


boxerpuncher

Wow … I’m stunned. Boxing is no longer a sport, its a business of absolute corruption. How many of these blatant, bad decisions will it take before boxing cleans up. This is killing boxing … what a robbery. Chavez Jr., you lost that fight. Anyone that knows anything about about boxing, even just a little, knows Chavez lost that fight. Shameful ..

Posted September 29, 2013 12:39 am 


Boxing is theatre

Boxing is fake, I quit.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:38 am 


Dionysus

I mean that would be boxing and reality show all in one!

Posted September 29, 2013 12:37 am 


Dionysus

Judges should have to be called out on the spot and have to answer live on air. There should be someone to oversee judges that if they get it as wrong as 98-92 for Chavez, they should answer why on air and then fired on the spot, ON AIR!

Posted September 29, 2013 12:36 am 


Anonymous

After today it’s clear that Chavez Jr can now win every single belt in boxing. Vlad and Vitali K stand no chance at Heavyweight. The Strawweight champion stands no chance either. Chavez Jr is the king of boxing. He is untouchable. Chavez Jr wins every single time. That’s the rules. That Bob Arum made up.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:35 am 


Cognitor

JoeKid, it is not fair to the guy like vera who works his arse off to fight and the scores were prewritten the night before. It is not an exhibiton for Vera. It was his career. I even wanted Chavez Jr to KO Vera before the fight started so we could have a Martinez-Chavez II but after watching Chavez move slow as molasses throwing one and two punches I was rooting for Vera. It is a freaking travesty. If I didn’t like boxing so much I get out of dodge now.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:32 am 


Dionysus

The only way assure winning is to knock someone stiff. Otherwise, the other promotor may have lined the judges’ pockets to have a “foresight” of the decision.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:31 am 


Paddy O’Trenchant

A robbery by any other name is still a robbery.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:30 am 


Dionysus

Lmao! @ public enemy

Posted September 29, 2013 12:29 am 


JoeKidd

Fans need to realize all boxing matches are exhibitions! The winner was already decided!

Posted September 29, 2013 12:27 am 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

This is perfect example of why I can barely stand pro boxing anymore. Vera won this fight, fair-and-square and got ROBBED blind.

If you want to see accurate scoring in combat sports, you have to watch UFC/MMA. Pro boxing has become nothing but a circus side-show. Sad, but true.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:26 am 


Dionysus

That sucks so bad man! Vera boxed his ears off. Chavez jr is not dedicated to his job, his weight,his fans and didn’t have any kind of work rate. On top of that he flat out was out boxed. Vera pressed him all night and had a huge work rate. This is sad when its a UD for Chavez, not to mention 98-92?!?!?!? C’mon!!!! Vera needs to dispute that. It’s robbery all the way around. Very clear!

Posted September 29, 2013 12:26 am 


Anonymous

CurlyQ.Howard boxing will NEVER be a clean sport. Corruption rules boxing, always has always will. Another dreadful day for boxing.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:24 am 


EZ E

Let’s see it Gwen Adair has the same dignity as CJ Ross and QUITS “judging” fights!! It’s not the first time. Let’s hope it the last!!

Posted September 29, 2013 12:23 am 


right on the temple

wtf boxing is now becoming a joke where judges cant seem score a fight right , another robbery .

Posted September 29, 2013 12:22 am 


JoeKidd

Chavez maybe got 2 or 3 rounds tops. He knew he was going to get the victory though. Privileged snot-faced prick.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:21 am 


JoeKidd

Are fans getting played or what????? WWF is more real than this stuff. It’s the promoters doing the payoff.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:20 am 


Anonymous

If you have the name Chavez you win. No matter what.

Disgrace.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:19 am 


CurlyQ.Howard

Surprise! Surprise! Surprise! Will boxing ever get beyond blatant corruption – ever?

Posted September 29, 2013 12:19 am 


PEEJ

Terrible. Once again another reason Bob Arum is scum. Chavez is a coward

Posted September 29, 2013 12:18 am 


Anonymous

HAHAHAHA! What a blatant Robbery.

Vera clearly won that fight.

Typical of the USA. Capital of boxing robberies.

Hilarious! Chubby Chavez clearly lost!

LMFAO!

Posted September 29, 2013 12:17 am 


EZ E

The Mexican commentators have it 96-94 for VERA!! Gwen Adair had 98-92 for CHAVEZ??!! A true disgrace!!

Posted September 29, 2013 12:16 am 


Turb0-H@mster

Thieves

Posted September 29, 2013 12:16 am 


EZ E

No matter what, VERA will have to win 7 CLEAR rounds to get a DRAW!! man, if Vera wasn’t overweight and had a bit more pop… Chavez wouldn’t have stood a chance!!

Posted September 29, 2013 12:12 am 


The Prince

IMO Chavez is losing this fight, but he’ll get the decision.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:09 am 


The Prince

Vera is landing more, but Chavez is landing one big shot at a time. Normally, this wouldn’t matter, but this is Chavez Jr whose know to get gift decisions.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:06 am 


punch

Chavez is winning the fight but losing the boxing match.

Posted September 29, 2013 12:05 am 


me

Come on Vera!

Posted September 29, 2013 12:04 am 


punch

Chavez is winning an

Posted September 29, 2013 12:01 am 


The Prince

Good fight. Vera can still land something big, but Chavez is catching him clean.

Posted September 28, 2013 11:57 pm 


DMX

Chavez looks like he don’t want to be in there . . . . WAR VERA !

Posted September 28, 2013 11:53 pm 


Anonymous

Vera is winning this fight, but I bet he doesn’t get the decision if it goes the distance. Chubby Chavez throws one punch and the crowd cheer. Unless Vera stops Chaves he will lose!

Posted September 28, 2013 11:52 pm 


Abril

Hey Brandon Rios, how many rounds did you win against Richard Abril? NONE!

12-0 to Abril.

And yet Rios won the fight!!! Biggest robbery ever in boxing.

Made in the USA!

Posted September 28, 2013 11:46 pm 


Anonymous

Andre Ward doing what he does best … TALKING.

Where’s your next fight Ward, in your living room in front of your 5 fans and your dog?

Posted September 28, 2013 11:44 pm 


Squared-Circle Real Talk (a.k.a. The Lion King of Beat Street)

Prediction: Chavez to win by mid-to-late stoppage or UD.

Posted September 28, 2013 11:26 pm 


Tomato Can

Chubvez has this fight in the bag.

Posted September 28, 2013 10:32 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Somebody can’t wait for Chavez Jr..Lol

Posted September 28, 2013 10:29 pm 



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