Damn, why must you women always write or read BETWEEN the lines?!
TARK — You ignorant slut…Taylor beat Hopkins TWICE!Posted September 12, 2013 9:23 pm
De Lima I.
de Lima, I guess THAT was your message between the lines, or am I wrong???Posted September 12, 2013 4:02 pm
deLima, hell, yes !! Men don’t have to handle women with kids gloves!! Thanks for stating that!!
”BTW I appreciate criticism.
Just because Jermain Taylor went farther than 1000’s of others means nothing at the world level.. He never legitimately won a world title or ever deserved to be at the top. He was exposed by getting knocked out 3 X in 5 fights and has been relegated to his proper place.Posted September 12, 2013 3:32 pm
Old Yank you’re welcome!!!
but…dont thank me…thank brother de lima…he is right!! you ARE our expert here on ESB!!!! I always read YOUR posts first, then kid blasts!!!!!Posted September 12, 2013 1:31 pm
Kid Blast and I have a history; man do we have a history! I can’t speak for him but all of my love/hate relationship with the sport is embodied, tangled and openly (if not always honestly) on display with our history. And, in my opinion, the tarnished “honesty” angle is equally borne.
He would know that I claim my passion for the sport rises above his knowledge of it. And he would openly disagree. But I’m a fan and he’s a writer and that makes me right and him wrong.
And this Saturday night when my home is filled to the point where in addition to the two HDTV’s already going, a projection TV is temporarily set up on my deck in order to accommodate all the fans who will show up for a “Fight Night” with the Old Yank; none of them doubt my passion for the sport.
The hot tub on the deck will be open — fans watching with beer and wine in hand from the tub. The pool will be open for anyone brave enough to use a pool in upstate New York in September. And from the pool deck the large HD projection screen is also easily viewable.
The food is top shelf; the beers are the best of imports and US micro-breweries; the wine is of my selection (and I’m the brunt of my kid’s humor over how seriously I take my wine); non-alcoholic beverages of all kinds for the health nuts and youth who show up.
But BY FAR, the fans are TOP SHELF — the best fans in the world and are what make my “Fight Nights” worth hosting! Musicians, electricians, writers, teachers, and some folks deeply connected to combat sports. Rich and poor; young and old; men and women; all with one thing in common – we are all boxing fans!
Damn, how’s that for a sentimental old fool?Posted September 12, 2013 1:31 pm
de limas not the only one here is the proof
Old Yank, Kid Blast are spot on. Good to see old posters back from years ago, this site got boring as hell with guys that think they know the game but clearly dont. Its a job some of the bums need
Posted September 11, 2013 6:49 pm
Old Yank, Kid Blast are spot on. Good to see old posters back from years ago, this site got boring as hell with guys that think they know the game but clearly dont.
Posted September 11, 2013 7:20 pm
I totally agree lefhook! Old Yank, Kid Blast are spot on. Good to see old posters back from years ago, this site got boring as hell with guys that think they know the game but clearly dont. Its a job some of the bums need
Posted September 12, 2013 5:59 amPosted September 12, 2013 1:03 pm
Anonymous — WOW! At this exact moment in time I really I needed that! Thanks!
I am a fan. A fan first! A fan who writes. Right or wrong; polite or inappropriate; everything I say or write comes from a place that is real — what you see is what you get. I love this sport and I hate this sport. I’ve learned that others extend their hand in this sport without washing it after taking a dump. If they only knew how unclean their hands are then perhaps they’d behave differently themselves. But the sport has always been dark and dirty and corrupt and is its own worst enemy.
So Anonymous, your words following my reading from The Karma Drain are more appreciated than you will ever know! Thank you!Posted September 12, 2013 1:03 pm
Master Ken — Got it! Like a real Karma drain, I got it! Very funny! Especially coming from one who’s needs to depend on the forgiveness of others for his entire future existence — rich; really, really rich! Some will simply die without ever knowing why their lives seemed so less blessed than others around them. I can only confirm that without change they will never have a life as blessed as mine — and mine is absolutely blessed. But I do thank you for looking in — I am aware that you can’t help yourself. Envy? Mental illness? It is not for me to know the cause; it is enough for me to observe the obsession.Posted September 12, 2013 12:27 pm
Sanchez Junior — I don’t know the genesis of the 152 pound catch-weight. Considering the fact that this will produce the largest payday for Canelo in his career (BY FAR), money can be a great motivator to make concessions and a great motivator to offer concessions. So I do not know who asked for, conceded or cajoled the 152 pound catch-weight into existence. Since Floyd is the recognized champ at 147 and Alvarez the recognized champ at 154, there is a certain common sense to a catch-weight if these two guys really wanted to make this happen. Mayweather could be seen as conceding 5 pounds where Canlelo only needed to give up 2. I think each fan will tend to see this in light of who they are a fan of, and it is doubtful that any non-insider has a real clue what’s behind 152. I tend to see it as a common sense compromise that makes sense if the bout was wanted badly enough by the fighters.
Mayweather was accommodating to the extreme when he met De La Hoya – the bout was contracted at a record high 154 for Mayweather, the glove size, glove brand, ring size, venue and so much more were all stacked in De La Hoya’s favor. Perhaps Mayweather was confident enough that the accommodations did not have great meaning compared to his confidence in his skills.
In addition, few fans see Pacquiao’s belt at 154 as legitimate. It was a vacant title contested between Pacquiao and Margarito – neither legit 154 pound fighters leading up to the bout. Why mention this? The answer is in two parts: first, Pacquiao never defended his 154 pound title (lending an additional air of illegitimacy to any claim of being a champion at 154) and, second, should Mayweather pick up title belts at 154 against BOTH De La Hoya AND the young and strong Alvarez, few can argue that Mayweather was not legit at 154 (catch-weight notwithstanding). These factors combine to put some distance between the future legacies of Pacquiao and Mayweather. And never doubt that Mayweather is not interested in his legacy; particularly when his legacy gets compared to that of Pacquiao’s in the future.Posted September 12, 2013 12:19 pm
Idiot Ernie.., He didn’t win titles. He was gifted with wins vs Hopkins and Wright. Then his lack of skills caught up with him against Pavlik and he got KO’d a few times by higher level fighters.
Manny Steward dropped him like a hot potato… Not surprisingly.
The Klitschko Sisters, as you call them, did a lot better.Posted September 12, 2013 2:01 am
With his LACK of success I should say.Posted September 11, 2013 9:04 pm
BTW.., Jermain Taylor O2 burn rate had nothing to do with his success.. His brain power and lack of skills had everything to do with it.Posted September 11, 2013 9:04 pm
Old Yank.., You changed your story… Nobody said anything about “All things being equal.”
Your statement was, “Although much can be done to regulate O2 burn rate (and thus increase stamina — the lower the burn rate the higher the stamina), the biggest determinant of O2 burn rate is GENETICS”
All things are NEVER equal.. If all things WERE equal the intake of calories on a given day could give you an advantage.
Scientific athletic training is a greater determinant of O2 burn rate than genetics.. I don’t care what kind of ed your wife has or hasn’t.
If you take one pair of twins and give one great athletic training for 3 years and have the other be a couch potato who sits around and gets fat for 3 years… And you match them against a similar pair of identical twins that follow the same regimen as the 1st pair.. Guess what??? Matching the fat ones against the fit ones will prove my point.Posted September 11, 2013 9:00 pm
Yup!!! Old Yank — You’re a humble and man and I appreciate that — but in my view, you’re an expert here on ESB. And believe me, I’m the only one who has this opinion.Posted September 11, 2013 7:44 pm
ok Old Yank!!
De Lima I.
Oops, I meant humble and polite.Posted September 11, 2013 6:10 pm
De Lima I.
Old Yank — You’re a humble and man and I appreciate that — but in my view, you’re an expert here on ESB. And believe me, I’m the only one who has this opinion.
BTW I appreciate criticism.
De Lima I. — You are gracious. I am not an expert. I am an opinionated fan equipped with great respect for the art of language – nothing more, and certainly capable of being much less.Posted September 11, 2013 3:26 pm
De Lima I.
Sanchez — I would suggest that you ask Old Yank or Joseph Herron. They’re the Experts.Posted September 11, 2013 1:56 pm
TARK — Are you obstinate on purpose? Do you fail to read what others post intending on sounding foolish, disconnected and a poor “listener” when you respond? What is it about “all things being equal” GENETICS is the determining factor in O2 uptake that is so difficult to grasp? So you compare a couch potato to a well-conditioned athlete and proclaim that conditioning plays a larger role than genetics? You must honestly thing the rest of the world is as slow as you are! Why limit your stupid comparisons to humans – I think you should compare the cardio conditioning of the cheetah to your couch potato!
Again, your base metabolic rate is determined by GENETICS. You can make all sorts of adjustments to it via diet, conditioning, artificial enhancement and more. But given ALL THINGS BEING EQUAL, GENETICS will drive one man to better stamina/endurance because his metabolic system (after all things being equal) is regulated more efficiently by factors driven by GENETICS!
One man’s boundaries of physiological output are different than another man’s due to GENETICS! The boundaries are the extremes of human activity – not a couch potato compared to a well-conditioned athlete – or comparing a cheetah to the circus fat man. Indeed the maximum efficiency of a man’slungs is ultimately bound to what the max of his genetics will allow; this is true of his heart efficiency as well; and true of his twitch response too.
Ultimately when looking at athletes at the peak levels of elite competition, the big dog in the room is genetics. Of FRIGGIN’ COURSE will, passion, heart, conditioning, diet, sleep patterns and more all play a HUGE role in allowing an athlete to reach the elite levels of a sport.
NO! Genetics will not determine the winner of the Mayweather/Canelo bout. But Canelo’s need to take mini-vacations during a round is driven by his genetic inability be as efficient as another fighter in metabolizing his O2. He has nearly reached the boundaries of what his genetics allow in stamina.
Jermain Taylor knows what I’m talking about. There were no more conditioning routines, no new diets, and no new sports psychology sessions available to get him past his genetic limits. He simply did not burn O2 as efficiently as others at the elite level. Career over.
And if it helps you at all, we can blame some of your disagreeable nature on genetics as well.Posted September 11, 2013 12:55 pm
De lima Mayweather fought Cotto at 154, but refused to fight Canelo at 154???Posted September 11, 2013 12:52 pm
I agree, RGR…but, if fight fans want the best to fight the best on a regular basis, we’re going to have to pay for it.
Any fighter would be willing to step in the ring with Godzilla if the money is right.Posted September 11, 2013 12:19 pm
De Lima I.
Simon! Eu não ligo para o que você diz! Pode guardar suas
De Lima I.
“Why did Canelo request CW 152”
He didn’t. FMJ declined 154 and proposed 147— so SA offered 152 and FMJ agreed—
I don’t think that SA will show-up at 152. To be honest, I hope he comes in at 154. And in the end, FMJ will fight SA at 154.
FMJ never really expected SA to show up at 152.Posted September 11, 2013 11:48 am
Why did Canelo request CW 152…..he will be weakened by fight time!!! : ((Posted September 11, 2013 11:38 am
Jimenez — Please allow me to be more precise: Should Canelo be at or below 154 (up to two pounds above the contracted catch-weight) then the bout happens (Canelo pays his $1 to $1.5 million penalty fo Mayweather). Should Canelo tip in over 154, then we’ve got a 40% chance that Mayweather walks!Posted September 11, 2013 11:35 am
old yank, seriously? I hope not!!!
We’ve got about a 40/60 chance that Mayweather WALKS and the bout is CANCELED!Posted September 11, 2013 11:12 am
Canelo’s people were crazy for taking this fight at a catch weight! Floyd’s people would of still took the fight at 154lbs.
Canelo is in serious trouble!Posted September 11, 2013 10:03 am
Stop posting that muchPosted September 11, 2013 9:41 am
The catch weight king Floyd is going down….mark my wordsPosted September 11, 2013 8:36 am
JOSEPH HERRON MY WISH for 2014 thAt we get boxing ON EPIXPosted September 11, 2013 8:30 am
joseph HERRON irather watch atitle fight on tv than ppvPosted September 11, 2013 8:11 am
i hate ppvPosted September 11, 2013 8:07 am
Ok,ok I’m a dimwit sometimes.Please accept my apology.Posted September 11, 2013 6:53 am
TARK…., why are you so antisocial?? Seriously!!Posted September 11, 2013 5:48 am
Herron.., Who GAS if Marquez doesn’t like Canelo??? Marquez is an old fart in boxing terms… Canelo is the future.
I like Marquez… He’s a 5 division world champ if he beats Bradley… He should be already if Pac wasn’t robbed in the Bradley fight… But he should be supporting his countryman… I would be amazed if he was not.
Posted September 10, 2013 8:57 pm
WHY SHOULD DINAMITA support his countryman? We live in a free world, with freedom of speech and freedom of thought. If Dinamita wants to cheer on Canelo, then great. If he wishes to give him a miss, then great too.
The day I support someone because they are my countryman, over the fact that I favour someone else’s fighting style, persona, back-story or whatever will be a sad day.
Marco Antonio Barrera and Erik Morales (as far as I can remember) hate each other and I dare say many other fighters from the same country or region may dislike each other for various reasons. Who are we to judge who we should or should not support?
Marquez is neither a great fan of Floyd.Posted September 11, 2013 4:43 am
You got it, Tomato Can!!
He hates the fighters who seemingly get the road paved in gold.
If you’ve followed JMM’s career, this guy used to be considered by most Mexican fight fans as a runner and not a true Mexican fighter. He didn’t start to become a fan favorite in Mexico until he started sitting in the pocket and becoming more of a counterpuncher on the inside.
Posted September 10, 2013 11:39 pm
VERY TRUE ABOUT DINAMITA…. he had to go through the NORWOODS, MEDINAS, KOTEYS, SMOKE GAINERS and still got no props and then had to go through the BARRERAS, JUAREZS and PACMANS before he got any grudging respect….
in fact DINAMITA has one of the best list of TOP TIER opponents faced right back to the late 90’s!!! No one wanted to face FREDDIE NORWOOD who was something like 35 and 0, but he walked in there and took is title away….
Real fans of boxing have always appreciated his multi-faceted skill set and always will.Posted September 11, 2013 4:33 am
USAIN BOLT has announced he will retire from athletics in 2016!
Just thought you should know!Posted September 11, 2013 4:22 am
keep up the great posts!!!Posted September 11, 2013 3:53 am
Mayweather fans, whats it going to be saturday? Will it be the armlock holding show, maybe a nice sucker punch or will it be oh my hand oh my hand.Posted September 11, 2013 2:24 am
Sredmond says.., “When Floyd was Canelos age he was 10x faster of hand and foot”
What a stupid thing to say.. Floyd was a great boxer at 23 but not faster. Floyd has a faster and more deceptive right lead right now than he had when he was 23.. He has a far deeper bag of tricks that allows him to fool opponents more so he seems faster.. Floyd is a lot stronger now than when he was 23.. That also increases your speed. Experience and mastery, that all increases your speed. He can beat bigger and stronger fighters now.. Floyd never moved up to lightweight until he was 25.
Usain Bolt was faster last year than he was 5 years ago.. And he’ll be even faster in 2016 if he keeps training with the same intensity. Don’t try to plead off Floyd as a slow old man. He’s only 36. You’re the Floydiot who kept saying Floyd is lightning fast … and Canelo is painfully slow with heavy legs, no endurance, and no skills.
Just another one of your pipe dream scenarios of Floyd shredding, painting, and smoking Canelo.Posted September 11, 2013 1:47 am
Good question!! I would say….no.
Every person that fights Floyd looks good against other guys TARD….every guy that fights Floyd u back 2 the 9’s. I get it, u don’t like Floyd. I guess if u pick his opponent in every fight., u might b lucky once.Posted September 11, 2013 12:08 am
Guys, it’s no coincidence that Floyd was talking to the media about what burger place he was going to tonight!! lol
Floyd knows what Canelo is currently going through and is messing with him!! lolPosted September 10, 2013 11:49 pm
You got it, Tomato Can!!
He hates the fighters who seemingly get the road paved in gold.
If you’ve followed JMM’s career, this guy used to be considered by most Mexican fight fans as a runner and not a true Mexican fighter. He didn’t start to become a fan favorite in Mexico until he started sitting in the pocket and becoming more of a counterpuncher on the inside.Posted September 10, 2013 11:39 pm
Soooooo why the prefab excuses???? Why the whining? Just accept the impending violation of your overcrowded Colon…Canelos getting a GREAT opportunity it’s up to him to pull off the upset..nPosted September 10, 2013 11:25 pm
Joseph, I didn’t know Marquez didn’t like Canelo. If he doesn’t like him for the reasons you state, then he must like Chavez Jr. much either…Posted September 10, 2013 11:23 pm
“SOOOON you will be weeping like a “wash woman” at the loss Canelo books to FMJ… ”
You talking to me, SRedmond? How many times do I have to say that I picked Mayweather to win by Decision–even before the fight was announced as being at a catchweight. I won’t be weeping at all if Canelo loses. I’ll just be proved right.Posted September 10, 2013 10:28 pm
You guys can try and be as scientific as you want discussing mitochondria, VO2 Max etc… Fact is that Floyd Mayweather has proven to be a special blend of ingredients against World Class, Champion and HOF level boxers… Mayweather is mentally tougher than anyone in the sport ,he has legions of fans and detractors.. He has been incarcerated, under legal pressure and getting older YET he always shows up in pristine condition ready to fight… Cotto was his toughest bout in modern history but in the 11th and 12th he was stepping on the Gas… Canelo is NOT the athlete that Floyd Mayweather is… When Floyd was Canelos age he was 10x faster of hand and foot, now he’s maybe 7x reality is there is no Mathematical equation that’s gonna easily account for FMJs dominance dude is “Simply The Best”Posted September 10, 2013 9:53 pm
It’s Me, Ernie
aw shaddup Tard…Posted September 10, 2013 9:52 pm
Old Yank.., You did not get people of identical size and physical condition and test them for oxygen burn rate… or you wouldn’t make such foolish, nonsensical claims.
First of all, you would have to get two people would have to have close to identical hearts because heart health can be influenced by factors other than genetics… identical workout schedules… live in identical pollution free environments… or pollution problemed environments if you like… have identical diets that produced identical cardio vascular health… and jobs that produce identical stress levels… Then you would have to stress them in exactly the same way, say on treadmills.
You will not finde as significant a difference in cardio-vascular efficiency as you would if you compared a highly trained Olympic long distance runner, and a couch potato.
So athletic training is going to have a far greater influence on cardio-conditioning and efficiency than genetics. A couch potato is going to have terrible cardio and the highly trained athlete excellent cardio.Posted September 10, 2013 9:41 pm
You see TARK, we are talking about two superbly conditioned fighters facing each other in the ring. At what appears to be essentially identical work rates, ONE will more efficiently process his O2 uptake — delivering more O@ to his muscles and therefore potentially maintain strength for a longer period than his competitor and potentially have greater endurance than his competitor. The reason behind the difference is PRIMARILY genetic.
Your base metabolic rate can be tweaked via diet, conditioning and other environmental factors, but like so much in biology and physiology, GENETICS is the big dog at play.
Now please go back to pissing someone else off who is close enough to you to give you a good slap up-side the head!Posted September 10, 2013 9:23 pm
TARK — You mindless fool! You constantly seek a disagreement for the sake of being disagreeable. And indeed you are disagreeable!
The greatest determinant of O2 burn rate is indeed GENETICS. If you take two males of the same body mass, same age and essentially the same health and physical condition, GENETICS will determine which of the two has a more efficient O2 UPTAKE when under the same physical stress!
As I stated in my SCUBA diving example, all of us are under the same physical stress on the dive (moving at the same pace, exerting essentially identical output, and at the same depth), yet I will burn half the O2 of other divers in seemingly better athletic condition. The reason is PRIMARILY genetic!
DAMN but you are disagreeable! Do you actually have friends that can stomach being around you!??Posted September 10, 2013 9:17 pm
Herron.., Who GAS if Marquez doesn’t like Canelo??? Marquez is an old fart in boxing terms… Canelo is the future.
I like Marquez… He’s a 5 division world champ if he beats Bradley… He should be already if Pac wasn’t robbed in the Bradley fight… But he should be supporting his countryman… I would be amazed if he was not.Posted September 10, 2013 8:57 pm
Hecdog.., “Everything Canelo does in the ring isn’t even close to Flloyd’s level.”
How about his left hook to the liver??? … How about his head movement??? … How about his defense of the jab??? … How about his combination punching speed??? … How about his right uppercut counter??? … How about his transition from body to head when flurrying??? … How about his punch resistance???Posted September 10, 2013 8:51 pm
Someones 0 will go & it aint Money May, The Red headed super hype has a snowballs chance in hell, mid to late stoppage or UD to the money manPosted September 10, 2013 8:48 pm
I don’t know if you realize this, but Canelo and JMM don’t like each other very much.
Marquez has always viewed Canelo as a prima donna who gets the royal treatment from the industry as well as the Mexican fans for doing nothing to deserve it.
Marquez has fought everyone in the industry and didn’t get fully embraced by the Mexican fight fans until recently.
JMM is very resentful…I wouldn’t doubt it if he were pulling for Floyd on the 14th!!Posted September 10, 2013 8:09 pm
BOYCOTT PPV HYPE!!!Posted September 10, 2013 7:43 pm
Then again, I wouldn’t mind seeing Golden Boy Promotions and Canelo get a lesson in humility as well.
A win-win for me!!Posted September 10, 2013 7:34 pm
Old Yank: “Joseph — Latino fans will LOVE Canelo paying Mayweather back for the Mayweather/Marquez weight fiasco. Alvarez may have a choice of roles to play: the “no excuses”, “good sportsman” role you suggest, or the Mexican HERO role his fans would like him to play. Unlike you, I DO NOT believe Canelo making weight is a forgone conclusion. In fact, I’d wager he plays the “Mexican hero” role — payback for his “brother” Marquez.”
I know I’m supposed to stay neutral on this one…but I think I’m among friends here…I wouldn’t mind seeing Canelo starch money May on the 14th.
I like both fighters and really don’t have a dog in the hunt here…very rarely I do.
But, just because Floyd’s fans are so ridiculous most of the time, I wouldn’t mind seeing a Canelo knock-out. It would look ten times worse than Roy getting KO’d.Posted September 10, 2013 7:31 pm
Lol…Sorry about the typo at the bottom of the page, guys!!
I did stated the correct weight of 152 pounds in the first paragraph though.
I will try to be more careful next time…lol!!Posted September 10, 2013 7:20 pm
A boxer has to have the right mental make up to win and be successful. Mental toughness is number 1 in my book. You can have all the skills, energy, genetic superiority all you want, but without the mental make up to go along the physical gifts, they don’t mean a thing. Floyd’s been tested and Canelo has been tested on a whole different level. I can’t name anyone Canelo has fought that has pushed him physically or mentally. Floyd has fought some good fighters although they were either past their prime, too small or not very skilled, but they had experience and were mentally tough as well as being former champions, which says a lot. Physical skills still have to go to Mayweather. Speed of hands and feet, agility, flexibility and athleticism all go to Floyd. Canelo is strong, good in all areas, but he isn’t better than Floyd in any area except power, which is good to have and can end the fight at any time. The problem is hitting Mayweather cleanly. After watching Canelo’s last 3 fights, it’s even more obvious that everything Canelo does in the ring isn’t even close to Flloyd’s level, except, once again, his power. I see a difficult uphill fight for Canelo. He’s going to have to fight a perfect fight, and Floyd will have to age quickly for Canelo to have a chance at winning. I’m really hoping Canelo can prove me and everyone else wrong. Canelo can have the world in his hands if he were to pull off this upset, and hearing him talk, he’s 1000% sure that he will win this fight. He seems very confident and mature. Let’s see if everything goes out the window once the fight begins or if he can stay true to his word and find a way to win.Posted September 10, 2013 7:04 pm
De Lima Izabel
Você é um idiota!
Posted September 10, 2013 5:23 pm
I totally agree with youPosted September 10, 2013 6:34 pm
Old Yank.., “The biggest determinant of O2 burn rate is GENETICS.”
The biggest determinant is the speed, power, and force of your exertions. The lowest rate is when you sleep—highest when breaking world sprint records in the 200 meters. You have to work.
Cardio-conditioning is important…It’s the efficiency of your heart, lungs, and circulatory systems. The efficiency of your lymph flow is as important as your blood flow. Rope skipping, jumping and bounding exercises, even trampoline jumping, help to develop maximum lymph Flow efficiency.
If you can run 5 miles in 30 minutes—and you’re a heavyweight—obviously you have great cardio. But a boxer isn’t an endurance athlete. Skills pay the bills as was amply demonstrated in the Arreola-Mitchell fight. If you can’t defend you’re toast. All the cardio in the world won’t help you.
Physical strength, speed, agility, quickness and sheer skill mastery help you score more and defend better per unit of energy expended. A relaxed, composed, smooth, and focused masterboxer, will score better with less effort than a frustrated, angry, clueless, and reckless swinger.
Canelo didn’t do a lot of work versus Trout. He didn’t need to. He was working off of Trout’s misses and padding his insurmountable lead. Trout is a big, tall, 171-pound Jr. Middleweight.. Floyd isn’t.. Floyd gets popped by a little guy like Cotto … and it hurts his nose.Posted September 10, 2013 6:18 pm
AGAIN you are STILL bitter about Ortiz, Marquez, Oscar and every other fighter who dared tried to win one against Floyd… SOOOON you will be weeping like a “wash woman” at the loss Canelo books to FMJ… These are DARK days ahead for a lowly dog like yourself.Posted September 10, 2013 5:54 pm
Sredmond—————-> Pantywaist.Posted September 10, 2013 5:52 pm
Hidalgo, I am JUMPING for JOY and the quivering and excuse making going on! This lets me know that YOU and the rest of the Gnomes in your tribe BELIEVE that Floyd Mayweather cannot be defeated EVEN by a guy who will be 13 years younger and 18 pounds heavier! This is an AMAZING testament to his skills and the FEAR he puts in the hearts of BUM posters who have no recourse but to pretend that the 1.5 pounds Canelo has to drop beyond his usual 154 will be the difference… LMAO thats a couple of good pisses…!Posted September 10, 2013 5:52 pm
“Hidalgo and MANY of the other Lizards…”
Lo and behold SRedmond reappears on these boards with his “I swing from Mayweather’s nutsack” t-shirt on and his shrivled balls hanging out of his Barney boxers, crying and hollering all the while, just two weeks before the fight.
Boo-hoo-hoo *sob*Posted September 10, 2013 5:44 pm
De Lima I.
(Simon)Posted September 10, 2013 5:27 pm
De Lima Izabel
Você é um idiota!Posted September 10, 2013 5:23 pm
AGAIN Hidalgo I echo your cry of “SO WHAT” that Canelo has to lose 2 pounds or really 1.5 pounds from his LAST weigh-in against Austin Trout! Thats a GIFT considering he gets to weigh at least 17 pounds than Mayweather and will be FAR younger… AGAIN we KNOW none of this makes a difference because Floyd is just to fast and talented to be beaten by this relative plodder… I am putting the KIBOSH on this excuse making before the bout even happens… If an OLD man like Hopkins can fight at 158 when he had close to 20 defenses at 160 against Oscar and win Canelo has NO excuses… He is Golden Boys darling and cash cow, he has had MONTHS to prepare for this bout, nutritionists, trainers and strength coaches…If he CANNOT prevail its for the SAME reason 43 other boxers could NOT (Castillo 2x) hes simply facing the MOST unique fighter in the sport.. Absent 1 punch KO power the perfect pugilist… SOOOOOOO We can agree that this fight will NOT swing on weight but skill?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!! I know that a BUM and CONSPIRACY THEORIST LIKE YOU would NEVER accept VALID results… You would rather blame the boogeyman!Posted September 10, 2013 5:19 pm
Hidalgo, if you consider the weight issue to be no big deal and a time honored practice WHY are you griping and showing your usual feminine qualities? Lets get real Canelos weight gain is UNUSUAL hes NOT handicapped at all he has been doing this for YEARS…Despite him weighing 170 or thereabouts fight night I have no doubt Mayweather is going to work him over… Whereas you are ALREADY attributing a possible Mayweather KO to a measly 2 pounds…AGAIN your agenda is transparent but making excuses for a YOUNG guy with a fresh body is pathetic… Stop your crying because ANOTHER YOUNG guy is going down at the hands of Floyd Mayweather… Canelo has fought at 147, 152 should be a piece of cake since he LOVES being at 154…Posted September 10, 2013 5:13 pm
Thanks Ray!Posted September 10, 2013 5:12 pm
By-the-way…fans and odds-makers get it right the vast majority of the time. To be sure, great upsets happen in a sport where anything can happen. However we should take note of what fans are saying and the confirmation of their voices with the odds-makers. For example, about 175,000 fans have participated in the ESPN poll. 72% are picking Mayweather, 25% are picking Alvarez and 3% are picking a draw. Only 17% think Alvarez will win via KO/TKO and surprisingly more fans feel Mayweather will win via stoppage (21%). You’d better get great odds when things look this tilted.
I like Alvarez a lot. He is GREAT for boxing! But since I could not find the 3.5:1 or better odds I needed to risk some green presidents on the underdog, I’m not wagering at all.
But I am picking Mayweather by a clean UD (117-111 or 116-112 kind of bout).Posted September 10, 2013 5:08 pm
INDIANA JONES OLD YANK BEEN HERE ON EAST SIDE boxing A whilePosted September 10, 2013 5:04 pm
Indiana Jones — Much appreciated!Posted September 10, 2013 5:00 pm
keep articles coming joseph HERRONPosted September 10, 2013 4:25 pm
Old Yankee! Great posts!Posted September 10, 2013 4:22 pm
The contracted weight is 122 pounds? You have no mercy, Herron. Even Floyd can’t make that.Posted September 10, 2013 4:04 pm
Yes they are!!!!! Bönte!!!!!!Posted September 10, 2013 3:42 pm
THIS IS A BIT OF AN ASIDE, BUT are not the KLITSCHKO BROTHERS every bit as hard in their negotiations right up until fight night as people are heaping abuse and blame on FLOYD???
DAVID HAYE said this, DERECK CHISORA said this and also MANUEL CHARR and many more….They all had to jump through hoops and you can DEFINITELY say the same about SUGAR RAY LEONARD.
This is nothing new and comes with the territory…..
The only STUPID FOOL to give up his aces when he was on top was one blithering idiot called, OSCAR DE LA HOYA who readily agreed to starve himself and come in below the Welterweight Limit to face MANNY PACQUIAO!!!!
Talk about being beyond dumb and you have OSCAR, who now tries to deflect his stupidity by trying to shift all blame on Floyd….Posted September 10, 2013 3:07 pm
bwahahahahaha!!!Posted September 10, 2013 2:45 pm
Hmmm are you hiding from me Ice Queen??Posted September 10, 2013 2:41 pm
This is for floyd fans that can’t seem to stop crying about the weight, can’t argue when it’s coming straight from FM mouth.
YOU TUBE-THE FEAR OF CANELO ALVAREZPosted September 10, 2013 2:39 pm
THANKS TOMATO CANPosted September 10, 2013 2:35 pm
he’ll be fine in the weight department mayweather is just going to out class em in the ring..eazy!Posted September 10, 2013 2:26 pm
As soon as the fight was made Canelo should have started to trim down to the 150’s. He waited too long, now his body will fail him in the later rounds. Floyd has been eating really good, he will have full strenth, it’s a no brainer.Posted September 10, 2013 2:26 pm
I SCUBA dive — love the sport. At my age I’m FAR from the strongest athlete on virtually any dive I’ve been on. However, I have an O2 burn rate that is a fraction of the rate that better conditioned athletes burn at. I’ve finished dives with a half tank left when every “athlete” on the dive was nearing empty.
Why even mention it?
Although much can be done to regulate O2 burn rate (and thus increase stamina — the lower the burn rate the higher the stamina), the biggest determinant of O2 burn rate is GENETICS. For example, Jermain Taylor was a gifted, gifted athlete who could not change the genetic burn rate he was born with. In the 15 round era he’d never would have become a champion.
Canelo can work with a nutrition coach; he can tweak the regulation of his O2 burn rate; but ultimately his need to take time off during rounds or look weak in the late rounds is due to his genetics.
If Mayweather can make him work and make him chase him around the ring and make him miss, Mayweather might be able to cause anything to happen in the late rounds — including the low probability of a stoppage.Posted September 10, 2013 2:05 pm
Brazilian Boxing Fan to Joseph Herron
Joseph Herron, the contracted weight is 152 pounds, not 122 pounds. I know it was a typing mistake, but please, pay more attention next time.Posted September 10, 2013 1:57 pm
I dont know what all the fuss is about Canelo has never had a problem making wt. in fact he came in a 1/2 lighter than 154 in his last fight. The dude is 23 YEARS OLD making wt. will not be a problem neither will the re hydration.Posted September 10, 2013 1:53 pm
Ahh there you go… Thanks Old Yank. That makes sense.Posted September 10, 2013 1:38 pm
Hidalgo, lol Ray Gordon Reid, has been using caps for at least the last 15 years or so. I don’t think he’s capable of stopping now. At least he doesn’t write huge paragraphs.Posted September 10, 2013 1:36 pm
Canelo will at least make 154, I’m not so sure about 152. Maybe 153. As big as he is, he’s not going to be able to stay at 154 for much longer. Then what will happen? He will lose that natural size advantage that he’s had in the majority of his fights, to date… I’ve been wondering what will happen if he doesn’t make weight, since day one. Personally I think the fight will go on as long as he weighs in under 154, and he’ll at minimum make that weight. If he makes 152, my hats off to him… We’ll see what happens.Posted September 10, 2013 1:34 pm
Hidalgo — The weight terms for the bout were reported to be for a catch-weight of 152 WITHOUT any restrictions on rehydration weight. There is an agreement for a reported $1 million to $1.5 million penalty for failing to make 152 and a cancellation/penalty clause if Canelo fails to make 154 for team Canelo to pick up virtually 100% of the cancellation costs. I think we can have reasonable confidence that Canelo will make 154, but I bet he eats the penalty because he CAN’T make 152 without seriously compromising himself.Posted September 10, 2013 1:33 pm
Canelo should have been watching his average day to day walking around weight. He needs to move up to mw if he can’t handle it.Posted September 10, 2013 1:24 pm
Anyone see that dorky 30 minute promo for The One on Fox Sports 1 last night? It came on after the GBP card in NY. They had these cheesy lightning effects. Terrible production that was like an early 90s porn flick. And no ESB, I’m not posting to fast so FO.Posted September 10, 2013 1:14 pm
“Canelo has made a career beating up smaller, older shot fighters while have a 20+lb weight advantage over them come fight night ”
SO WHAT!! Floyd made the voluntary decision to fight as a jr. middleweight. Nobody twiste his arm to make him fight guys that may be significantly bigger than him on fight night. How come you or anyone else wasn’t complaining that Cotto outweighed Mayweather by 18 pounds on fight night?
Canelo isn’t doing anything new. If you really knew anything about boxing, you’d certainly know this.Posted September 10, 2013 1:12 pm
Excuse me Joseph: I meant to say that the catchweight is ONE of the reasons why I pick Mayweather to beat Canelo by decision. I have always favored Mayweather to beat Canelo but this catchweight limit has the potential to be great insurance for Mayweather.Posted September 10, 2013 1:08 pm
So, following the weigh in, will Canelo be on IVs to get his electrolytes in order (you know – to prevent hypernatremia)?Posted September 10, 2013 1:07 pm
“Canelo deserves LESS than no sympathy he likes blowing up after weigh in because it has allowed him to be the stronger fighter time after time…”
Grow up, SRedmond. Blowing up after weigh-in is a time-old practice in boxing, used to take advantage of a fighter’s bigger size in hopes that he size will give him some advantage in the fight. You know this so stop whining like an abandoned lamb. Canelo’s giving Mayweather a strong handicap. What more could Floyd ask for?Posted September 10, 2013 1:06 pm
RAYGORDENREID! STOP YELLING! TYPE IN LOWER CASE!
THANKYOU!Posted September 10, 2013 1:01 pm
BTW Joseph, do you happen to know the exact terms of the contract regarding Canelo’s weight? I’d like to know what they are.Posted September 10, 2013 12:59 pm
“This will be a huge advantage for Mayweather going into this fight.”
Absolutely. That’s why Team Mayweather fished for Canelo to fight at a lower weight. You can bet they were jumping for joy when Team Canelo took the bait and agreed to fight below 154. The extra two pounds Canelo has to lose may well be “the straw that broke the camel’s back.”
Joe, you said on your Sunday night show that catchweights have never favored the bigger boxer who had to come down in weight. Scully says Maywether will have the advantage because of this. I know it too. This is why I pick Mayweather to win by Decision–but he could stop Canelo if the extra weight loss has taken too big a toll on Alvarez’s body.
In any event, an asterisk should be placed next to Mayweather’s name whether he wins this fight or not. Alvarez has given him a handicap. The cards are stacked in Mayweather’s favor long before the opening bell has rung.Posted September 10, 2013 12:57 pm
Do we need to list here all the bouts for a major belt that have happened with one of the fighters not making weight? There is NO GUARANTEE Canelo makes 152. In fact my bet is that he does not make weight; that he eats the $1.5 million penalty (hands it over to Mayweather) and that Mayweather wins anyway (with a 40% chance that we are all stunned by the bout getting CANCELED). But this bout will not START withot a great deal of controversy. Watch it unfold — it is going to be netter than a three ring circus!Posted September 10, 2013 12:31 pm
I have posted many times, Canelo will look good for the 1-5 five rounds, then Mayweather will take him deep and school him. Done deal.Posted September 10, 2013 12:29 pm
Canelo and his team agreed to fight at 152, make the weight and go do your best. It is what it is and a done deal. Now all the talk is done exept for the weigh-in. IIIIIIIITTTTTT’s SHOWTIME!!!Posted September 10, 2013 12:25 pm
flash knock down
I feel sorry for Canelo because taking off that last 7 lbs is going to be hell for him and his team. Canelo has no one to blame but him self they saked for it now they go it. This is to much to ask of any fighter then fighting the best fighter on the planet. Canelo is going to have a lot of problems. If I were Canelo I would pay the weight fine. If he does not he will be dead after the fourth round. I am taking Floyd to win by TKO or KO after the 8th round.Posted September 10, 2013 12:25 pm
Regrading weight the following has been agreed by team mayweather. Alvarez HAS to make the weight and has all the way up to the actual fight to make the weight. This means if he fails to make the weight at the weigh in they will just give him time to go and work the extra weight off. If Alvarez fails to make the weight on the set dtae it will be in Floyds faviour as he will have to make it later than usually and will have less time to hydrate and eat to put weight back on for fight night.Posted September 10, 2013 12:21 pm
Joseph — Latino fans will LOVE Canelo paying Mayweather back for the Mayweather/Marquez weight fiasco. Alvarez may have a choice of roles to play: the “no excuses”, “good sportsman” role you suggest, or the Mexican HERO role his fans would like him to play. Unlike you, I DO NOT believe Canelo making weight is a forgone conclusion. In fact, I’d wager he plays the “Mexican hero” role — payback for his “brother” Marquez.Posted September 10, 2013 12:21 pm
It’s when someone throws a dumbell at you and you catch it.Posted September 10, 2013 12:19 pm
Joseph — Here is my prediction: We’ve got about a 40/60 chance that Mayweather WALKS and the bout is CANCELED! How many pundits are even thinking about this bout getting cancelled? Although I don’t think Mayweather will walk if Canelo fails the scales, I DO BELIEVE there is as much as a 40% chance that he does! And if he does, can you say, “Honey, never mind; I won’t need that beer after all”?Posted September 10, 2013 12:15 pm
And I still don’t understand why beltholders of a certain weight class need a catchweigeht?!Posted September 10, 2013 12:12 pm
LIGHTWEIGHT DURAN WHAT do THINK JOSEPH HERRONJPosted September 10, 2013 12:04 pm
LIGHTHEAVYWEIGHTS BOB FOSTER GALINDEZPosted September 10, 2013 12:02 pm
MY TOP MIDDLEWEIGHTS MONZON HAGLERPosted September 10, 2013 11:54 am
Yeah, Old Yank…I talked about the prospect of this happening on this past Sunday night’s show.
There’s too much money on the table for this fight to be cancelled.
But Team Canelo desperately want to make fight weight so they can win with no excuses. I commend their sportsmanship and confidence, but it’s not the smartest approach.
I agree with iceman Scully on this one…the catch weight is really going to affect Canelo’s performance in the back-half of the fight.
That’s usually the portion of the bout in which mayweather shines.
let’s just hope for the best and see what happens.Posted September 10, 2013 11:42 am
Joseph — Alvarez is reported to have a minimum guarantee of $12.5 million PROVIDED he makes weight. The weight penalty is reported to be in the neighborhood of $1 to $1.5 million. So if Canelo blows off the contracted weight of 152 and does not come in heavier than 154, he will likely make a minimum of $11 million — the largest payday of his career BY FAR! Weight will not be an issue because Canelo will not worry too much about walking to the bank with at least $11 million in his pocket EVEN IF HE FAILES TO MAKE 152! Hell, if Canelo is going to move up to 160, then he can lose his belts on the scales and dare Mayweather to walk away from HIS guaranteed $41.5 million. Do you actually believe that Mayweather will walk away from his record payday? I don’t! Weight is ONLY AN ISSUE if Canelo plans on making 152. It is NO ISSUE based on an expectation that he will not make 152 and Mayweather won’t walk.Posted September 10, 2013 11:35 am
Gotta say I dont belive for a second that Floyd would have fought Alvarez at the light middle limit!Posted September 10, 2013 11:04 am
Been a very long time since Ive been this excitied about such big named fighters. Whilst Floyd is still a clear favorite there is no doubt in my mind this is the most competative looking fight that Floyds been in for a while. Of course only time we can really judge is after the fight is over. But at this stage I think I’d have to go back to Ricky Hatton to a time when someone offered something which got me really interested to find out how Floyd will handle it.Posted September 10, 2013 11:03 am
Canelo has made a career beating up smaller, older shot fighters while have a 20+lb weight advantage over them come fight night so now its time for him to feel what its like to have a weight disadvantage over your opponent.. he will lose in humiliating fashion and then blame the weight loss for it..Posted September 10, 2013 11:03 am
Hecdog – it’s simple, for the Biggest Paycheck of his career.. if you haven’t realized it already this is what it’s been about from day one.. getting a Multimillion Dollar Paycheck.. not about being the best Boxer..Posted September 10, 2013 11:00 am
It’s hard to watch sometimes, isn’t it, malachi?Posted September 10, 2013 10:51 am
Canelo’s Catch weight was DUMB! DUMB! DUMB! Why on earth would anyone ever agree to drop down two more pounds after Canelo has had trouble making 154? In his last three fights, he’s only been down to 153 1/2, and it killed him doing so. Why do you think he runs out of gas in the late rounds. That along with his inexperience, the extra weight he’s going to carry and his counter punching style as well as slow feet and a wide winging left hook is going to be major problems for him. Canelo has a good jab, and what he’s going to need is speed. I watched him fight Trout on my DVR, and he is too robotic all the way around. I’m pulling for Canelo to pull off a miracle upset, but watching him in his last 3 fights and the weight issue will make it tough almost impossible to win, but there are miracles. Find a way Canelo!Posted September 10, 2013 10:48 am
Canelo deserves LESS than no sympathy he likes blowing up after weigh in because it has allowed him to be the stronger fighter time after time…Where was TW sympathy for Lopez, Gomez, Hatton and Cotto?? Floyd’s a small WW pushing 37, Canelo has won 42 fights having to “make weight” his loss on Sat wont be due to weight loss it will
Joseph Herron`when Mayweather fought Marquez my heart was extremely heavy cause those are two of my top soldiers so yeah i dig what your saying my man..eazy!Posted September 10, 2013 10:39 am
JOSEPH`cosigned my man!!Posted September 10, 2013 10:34 am
I’m with you, Malachi!
The only thing I don’t like about match-ups like these is that I like all four competing fighters and I know two of them are going to lose.
That sucks!!Posted September 10, 2013 10:30 am
WOOOOW`$May Vs. Canelo Garcia Vs. Mathysse is finally upon us fellas it dont get no better than this,,everybody was complaining about these matches not getting made so now if your not watching these fights you are a complete fake boxing fan if these fights don’t get you hyped and on solid at the same time then i know your on the wrong site regardless of who you want to win let’s pray for a night of good boxing with no controversy or regrets i dont know about you guys but my people and I are super open right now for this thing and cant wait till Saturday( let’s git it) Money Man/Garcia…………..yezzzir!Posted September 10, 2013 10:22 am
OK thank you!Posted September 10, 2013 10:19 am
Fiction – Rocky II by a landslide
Non-Fiction – Cinderella Man by a nosePosted September 10, 2013 10:00 am
COME CANELO LOSE THAT WEIGHTPosted September 10, 2013 9:56 am
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I do miss the work we did at the Saga last year. It’s amazing what Lee, Marc, Richard, and myself were able to do with that site.Posted September 10, 2013 9:46 am
I have been for years. I detoured my efforts for a little over a year while working with Lee Cleveland, but came back because I missed the fans immediate response to the articles.
Very few full boxing sites can compete with the amount of eyes that check out ESB on a regular basis.Posted September 10, 2013 9:45 am