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Derek

Why would beating Wilder help Fury “in a huge way”? More like, beating Fury would help Wilder in a huge way. Fury doesn’t need to fight Wilder. He’s on the verge of a title shot within a year or two, why bother with Wilder?

The fights Fury needs are more dangerous than Wilder…unless he’s trying to go the Pianeta route to a title shot, which, I wouldn’t blame him. Why not make millions the easier way?

Posted May 22, 2013 8:32 pm 


Adios Los Juevos

Sorta like your mouth Senoir Tark.

Posted May 22, 2013 5:19 am 


TARK

That’s about a dozen excuses… Any more??? The Marvis Frazier fight was Bugner’s career in a nut shell. Couldn’t box.. couldn’t defend.. hid behind his gloves.. wouldn’t let his hands go against a prime fighter of any ability.. Was bigger than 95% of his opponents but expected everyone else to make the fight happen.

Posted May 21, 2013 11:41 pm 


TARK

@Anonimouse…, Marvis Frazier was a raw amateur with 9 pro fights when he whipped the punchless Joe Bugner.. Ron Lyle was 36 when he beat 27-year-old Bugner—definitely on the slide. Frazier was fat, way out of shape, and looked terrible in the Manila fight. Ali was in poor condition himself but I believe Ali could have finished Frazier in 7 rounds. Ali milked the last fumes out of Frazier for dramatic effect. When Joe was blind and helpless Ali attacked him with a vengeance. In Frazier’s 2nd go with Foreman, he was in the worst shape of his life—but Joe had all kinds of medical issues when he faced a young Bugner. That was Bugner’s 50th pro fight so he was no green horn. Bugner did beat a couple of drug addicted ex-champs who were completely shot to Hell. Bugner was a big, strong, tough man who could beat a weakened person down—but Michael Grant could box better. What do you expect Ali to say about his own competition in an interview? Sports writer Jim Murray summed Joe Bugner up best, “Why is he wearing boxing gloves? He should wear catcher’s mitts.” Murray wrote about 1,000 boxers over 50 years, and his viewpoint was general spot on.

Posted May 21, 2013 3:00 pm 


dwc

ANONIMOUSE…Good breakdown on the guys Fury fought.As they say facts dont lie…yes at 24 Fury is just fine.Does he have things to work on…ofcourse.But looking at his resume compared to Wilders at this point theres a pretty big gap.And lets not forget Wilder has 4 or 5 years on Fury aswell.

Posted May 21, 2013 12:43 pm 


wes

he did fight somebody in the top 100. as bad as harrisin is was #18 on boxrec when wilder fought him.

Posted May 21, 2013 12:27 pm 


Anonimouse

Tark, Ali said Bugner was a good fighter, he gave Ali a tough fight in their first fight, and Ali and Dundee both rated him. Also, ”Washed up Frazier”, Bugner was only 23 and Joe had only just lost his title to Foreman, and it was a CLOSE fight, one of Fraziers toughest wins, this before Frazier fought The Thrilla in Manilla, so washed up? Nah! Bugner had been boxing longer than Lyle when they fought, sure he should have done more, but then he was disillusioned with the game. Same with Marvis, Bugner coulda fought better, he went on to beat Page who was better than Marvis, and Bey and Tillis who were just as good as Marvis.

Posted May 21, 2013 12:25 pm 


TARK

LMAO… Fury is better than Joe Bugner. I wouldn’t put that on Tyson. Fury has power in both hands. He has an inside game. He’s not afraid to engage. He doesn’t hide behind his gloves like an immobile punching bag. He has a body attack. He’s not as slow or defenseless as Bug. He’s 5 inches taller and 25 pounds heavier than Bugner.

What Fury has in common with Bugner is a delusional opinion of his own ability on a world class level. I remember Bugner bragging on about how he was going to “thrash” an aging Ron Lyle, a contender who was slow, and not a particularly skillful boxer. Bug had every physical advantage over Lyle but hid behind his gloves for long stretches of the fight—giving the judges no choice but to give Lyle the fight. A used up Joe Frazier went to England and whipped Bugner. “It was like fighting a big heavy bag” Joe said, “It doesn’t move a lot. It doesn’t punch you back. So you just keep hitting it.” When Frazier was managing his son Marvis, one of the first opponents he selected for Marvis was Bugner, “Just keep throwing. He won’t punch back a lot.” Famed sports writer Jim Murray said of the big blond, “Bugner is slow, but he can’t punch” ..and after the Ali fight.., “I don’t know why Bugner wore gloves. I guess his hands were cold.”

Posted May 21, 2013 11:01 am 


Anonimouse

Ok, here are a list of fighters who Fury has beat who are way better than any Wilder opponent; USS Cunningham, Derek Chisora, Kingpin Johnson, Neven Pajkic, Nicolai Firtha, Martin Rogan and John McDermott…maybe even Vinny Maddalone and Rich Power!!!!
Cunningham got robbed Vs Adamek, and Adamek is a top 5 Heavy who beat Areola and Grant among others.
Chisora is a tough fighter who got robbed Vs Helenius and gave Vitali a good workout and has beat Sam Sexton and Danny Williams.
Kingpin is ugly to watch, but has a habit of winning, even on the road and against prospects.
Pajkic was an unbeaten, hungry fighter who was a national champ and came to win.
Firtha was a big strong guy who always gave 100% and took Povetkin and Banks the distance, Fury stopped him!
Rogan is also tough, hard hitting and comes to win, he’s beat Harrison when Audley still had something, and KO’d Sosnowski and beat Skelton.
McDermott is highly experienced, has some good wins and ambition, Fury beat him when just a kid.
Maddalone is a tougher and higher ranked Journeyman than the low level journeymen Wilder has fought.
Power was an unbeaten minor prospect, Wilders not even fought one of those.

Posted May 21, 2013 10:38 am 


Assyrian God2

@ Mick The Marmalizer – Agreed RE Bugner. He had about 30 fights before he was 21, including beating some useful opponents such as Manuel Ramos and Chuck Wepner (better than Wilder has done at 28), but he was disinterested and mentally worn out when he should have been hitting his peak in the late 70’s. Shame really, as a peak, motivated Bugner could have won the WBA strap against fighters like Tate, Weaver, Dokes, Page or Coetzee…in fact he went on to beat Page. Hopefully Fury will be reaching his peak at 28 or 29 and not shopworn. He needs to be moved at the right pace. Mind you Wilder is being moved at a snails pace, you have to wonder why? Weak chin? Poor Stamina? Poor skills? hmmmm!

Posted May 21, 2013 10:21 am 


TomCribb

One Inch Punch…Wilder seems to be running from anyone with a heartbeat, least Fury takes guys on, so if youre going to trash Fury for running scared, whats Wilders excuse???! Dont get why Wilder has anyone saying he will beat this guy or that, so far he’s beaten nobodies and one shot ex fringe contender in Audley.

Posted May 21, 2013 10:14 am 


dwc

Wilder has tasted the canvas already aswell against club fighter…Wilder does not have a good chin.He did windmill to death Harrison…showing what? How Wilder gets so much respect from some fans after doing nothing really beats me.If you look at Furys record he has done alot more then Wilder at this point and being 4 or 5 yrs younger.Furys problem is he gets unfocsed in fights or looks to impress to much leading to stupid mistakes.In the Cunnigham fight Furys uncle wasnt there and he didnt seem to listen to his corner he went wild and looked uncontroled again looking to impress instead of sticking to basic skills fighting like he did against Johnson.I have seen what Fury can do when focused and its not bad…and he has youth and basic skills to grow on.Wilder at 28 or 29 and with the guys he fought has showed very little to come to a solid conclusion.Yes some good looking power but not much control or style,and a ? chin really the guy is still a big ? overall.

Posted May 21, 2013 9:29 am 


Mick the Marmalizer

As a massive lump Fury has many options & is obviously a massive ca$h cow. Of course he let’s his mouth run away at times, but hype is hype & generates more mon£y. I personally would like to see him fight Price or Pulev this year, thus leading to a World title fight next spring. He’s still very young for a H/W & if pushed too hard could well end up as the 21st century version of Joe Bugner. If he’s not to fight for British, EBU or Commonwealth titles then he needs to keep Boxing in Canada & the USA. An undercard slot on a major German card could also showcase him well.

Posted May 21, 2013 6:36 am 


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Pulеv will bеаt this pussу

Posted May 21, 2013 4:02 am 


TEAM KLITSCHKO

EVEN NEVEN PAJKIC WOULD TEST WILDER.AT LEAST PAJKIC HITS BACK AND IS NOT SCARED TO GET SOME PUNCHES

Posted May 21, 2013 3:33 am 


knowall

Id say fury has a fair poiny. Perhaps he should add if he could sing as good as him after a fight he would also fight him

Posted May 21, 2013 1:57 am 


TARK

Assyrian writes…, “And if Fury is so slow, how come he closed down Cunningham?” Closed him down???? You didn’t watch the 1st couple rounds where Fury was taking big shots and was decked massively with a hard right.. Fury forgot about the rules after that and started mauling and brawling.. He had a point deducted.. He should have had 4 points deducted because he kept using his size advantage to butt, push, hold and hit, and basically mug the 40 pounds smaller man.. That’s not going to work against the 6’7″ 230 pound Wilder, who has a much bigger right than the one that put Fury on his ass.. I like Fury. He’s a funny guy. I think he’s getting under Wladimir’s skin with all his, “I’ll shatter that glass chin all over the ring” rhetoric, which makes me laugh as I can imagine WK’s ears turning red. But as soon as Tyson gets in there with anyone like Wlad, Wilder, or Haye, he’s going to be eating a ton of jabs, hooks, and right hands.

Posted May 21, 2013 1:07 am 


Dalekojak

I agree. Wilder would ko him.

Posted May 21, 2013 12:22 am 


rod

Ademek beat Arreola and pretty much everyone except Vitali. Cunningham beat Ademek and was robbed, he is one of the most skilled and athletic heavies out there. Fury beat him. Fury has proven himself.

Posted May 21, 2013 12:09 am 


rod

Good call from Fury. He would have been tested with Chisora but that looks like it is not going ahead. Wilder still needs to prove himself. Chisora or Johnson would both test him

Posted May 21, 2013 12:04 am 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

“Little Steve” is almost the exact same size as the Evander Holyfield during his HW prime. I suppose that means the smaller HWs from the 1950 – 80s would have absolutely no business even being the same ring with the modern Super HWs. Because size DOES matter, contrary to what Boxtradamus always says, and the champs of old would get crushed. If size doesn’t matter, put little boy Floyd in with king Wlad. Mayflower would be put to sleep forever. RIP, my homies.

Posted May 20, 2013 11:29 pm 


Frankie Fanubian

Fury/Wilder would be a great matchup. Both the same size….Winner gets the Wlad!!

Posted May 20, 2013 11:21 pm 


It’s Me, Ernie

Fury is waaaay overrated. Little Steve just about ended his reign as the biggest mouth north of Broner. It’ll be over soon, then we can get on with it…

Posted May 20, 2013 10:47 pm 


Squared-Circle (a.k.a. LionKing)

Way too many posters on this board underestimated Fury. He just flattened and KO’d Cunningham (who recently and thoroughly outboxed Adamek) like a Mac truck — leaving him lookin’ like a rag-doll on the canvas struggling for ilfe. And don’t give us anymore of that whiny “he used his forearm” to set up the KO excuse. This is boxing, one of the major COMBAT sports, not ballroom dancing. I thought these guys were called “fighters,” and in a FIGHT… guys tie-up, hold, wrestle and at times even use their forearms, elbows and heads. And posters are talkin’ like Fury’s worse now than he was before the victory. Makes no sense whatsoever. I have no delusions of Fury beating a K-Bro, but he’s 6’9″ 255lbs with a gigantic 85″ reach and knows how to use his size advantages. This guy is a crazy live-dog who really loves to scrap. Plus he’s only 24 for Christ’s sake. Give him a few years to develop his man strength and we might see more striking power. 21-0 with 15 knockouts ain’t bad no matter how you dice it. That’s a 72% KO ratio! And to those claiming he has a China-chin, I say B.S. U.S.S. hit him with a perfect overhead right that would’ve KO’d a lot of HWs, and Fury just smiled, got-up and moved on like it was nothing. Can you say NEVER been stopped???

Posted May 20, 2013 9:38 pm 


TARK

Matt…. Kevin Johnson said Fury was the most limp wristed, doofiest, goofiest, weakest, phoniest, most foolish f**got ever in the history of the heavyweight division… He said Fury was everything that started with an F … But I guess that was before the fight. He never did say he was a hard puncher. He’s no Haye for power, that’s for sure. He put a forearm over Cunningham’s eyes before he unloaded the finisher. I’m amazed he got away with that.

Posted May 20, 2013 8:12 pm 


TARK

They have to fix Wilders legal problems, get him over to the UK, and get Chisora knocked out ASAP!! Didn’t they post-pone Floyd’s sentence until after his Cotto fight took place? They can be accommodative.. What kind of legal team does Wilder have? Show them the money and get this crap settled. Offer to pay a fine. That’s how Wall Street and major corporations do it … If our crappy criminal justice system has a stick up it’s rear bring a good heavyweight to Vegas.. Make a good offer to Fres Oquendo, Odlanier Solis, or Joe Hanks.. Kevin Johnson should move Deontay to the next level but he makes for a stinky fight — The thing is DW needs to up his standing right now so he can nail some of these big money fights with guys like Fury. There are plenty of guys to fight who he can kill, but they will still move him way up. Chisora was ideal so I hope that fight isn’t lost.

Just don’t make this a Mike Tyson or Ike Ibeabuchi legal fiasco… That’s all you need at Deontay’s age.

Posted May 20, 2013 7:59 pm 


matt

based on what can this writer conclude Fury doesn’t have the power to hurt wilder???…. Kevin Johnson said Fury hits really hard and Wilder has not had his chin tested yet due to the club level fighters he has been in with (minus an already brain damaged Harrison) ….we have seen recently what happens when a protected fighter suddenly steps up 3 or 4 levels….they get sparked…..Wilder will suddenly have to step up soon and he will taste the canvas….and yes i will be putting my house on that.

Posted May 20, 2013 7:49 pm 


PEEJ

Johnson is all talk. Wilder would demolish Johnson.

Posted May 20, 2013 7:10 pm 


Big Palooka

So who is it Fury? Pulev, Haye, Wilder, all you do is name drop and then face a cruiserweight or give someone 3 weeks notice. When you eventually face a puncher, you’ll see me standing over your dazed and confused mong head, pointing and laughing.

Posted May 20, 2013 6:18 pm 


Fight Aficionado

“As far as I know Wilder is fighting Chisora…” – They were working on that in England but Wilder got arrested for domestic battery and can’t travel to the UK now. Don’t know why Chisora doesn’t just come here, other than it’s a pretty good payday in the UK but not here. Seems Wilder will have to fight domestically until this is settled. No idea if Johnson-Wilder is in the works but if so it’s a good match.

Posted May 20, 2013 6:07 pm 


badger

I try to keep up with brit boxing. For a big guy that Fury is in good shape. He does not punch hard like Wlad klitschko but he is fit. I have no idea what wilder can do after a few rounds.

Posted May 20, 2013 6:06 pm 


Fight Aficionado

Fury vs Wilder is a banging fight if they make it. I have my doubts about Wilder. He’s been vocal calling out Fury on Twitter, but when push comes to shove he faces soft comp like Harrison. We’ll see…

Posted May 20, 2013 6:05 pm 


Fraudley

@Prof Konje Who has Wilder beaten to prove he could beat Fury? Audley Harrison? Kelvin Price? Can’t think of any other examples cause i don’t have a clue who any of the other guys on his resume are, they’re guys who aren’t in the top 200. Meanwhile Fury has been fighting much better opposition like unbeaten Chisora, Kevin Johnson and Steve Cunningham. Wilder has been knocked out in the amateurs and knocked down in sparring, these are facts, Wilder has proven he has power against cans and that is about it. I can see how he would look good to fans who aren’t very adept at reading boxing though.

I find it very cowardly for GBP and Wilder to be calling out Fury when he’s on the verge of a Klitschko bout, but real fans know whats up.

Posted May 20, 2013 5:49 pm 


TARK

As far as I know Wilder is fighting Chisora… A 20-pounds overweight and herniated Chisora easily went 12 rounds with Fury and rocked him with a couple of big right hands.

So if Wilder flattens Chisora in 6, after dominating him for 5 rounds, is that going to be enough of a performance to demonstrate Wilder is good enough to be matched with Furry Fury???

Posted May 20, 2013 5:44 pm 


Prof Konje

Fury won’t get past anyone who can fight or who isn’t downhill. Haye, as much as I dislike him, will ice Fury as soon as he lands, and so will Wilder. Fury is considered amusing but not a real threat to any decent heavyweight. Don’t even mention the K brothers.

Posted May 20, 2013 5:16 pm 


myarse

“I don’t think for a second that Fury would hold up his end of the bargain if Deontay did take the fight with Johnson and knock him out.” Well that’s worth mentioning isn’t it? Based on all the guys Fury has ducked in the past? Or on all the top names that are running scared of Wilder? If you can’t base your writing on facts or at least informed comment then why bother? Keep your crap to yourself

Posted May 20, 2013 5:06 pm 


pugfan

Fury is just lucky that Cunningham can’t punch. Fury better keep on fighting guys who can’t punch or he will be in trouble.

Posted May 20, 2013 4:02 pm 


CJ

Wilder should fight Cunningham, it would be a good test for him.

Posted May 20, 2013 3:55 pm 


terror tim

Fury is a bit more polished at this point in his career. Widler still looks very wild out there. Needs to learn to punch under control.

Posted May 20, 2013 2:12 pm 


mr gav

As much as I would love to see a fight between fury and wilder I can’t see either fighters handlers risking their 0 against each other. I know fury talks a lot but I believe he would take the fight however his handlers would not risk him fighting wilder and David haye for that matter.

Posted May 20, 2013 2:09 pm 


slip and hit

Fury has some decent skills…but gets sloopy and unfocsed at times which is why people thinks he isnt that good..but hes not that bad.For his age and for the basic skills he has to work with and he keeps pushing himself he might just do it in the future..time is on his side.Wilder at this point is just one big ? he has proved nothing so far.

Posted May 20, 2013 1:57 pm 


Neil (Pomy)

Fury would beat Wilder I recon ….. Fury has been tested, Wilder has not.

Posted May 20, 2013 1:42 pm 


scottyboy

I really cannot see the appeal in that wilder clown either. Fury may have tasted the canvas in his bout with cunningham but he was never really hurt and besides, cunningham was a former world champ, (albeit at a lower weight) so he must have had a bit of something going for him. Wilder on the other hand has been dropped hard and nearly stopped by complete and utter boxing nobodies that would not even get discussed at amateur level. The only known person on his resume is audley and if he thinks beating a totally shot to pieces 42 yr old somehow ups his stock then he’s sadly mistaken. He punches with good power but like an amateur who hasnt learnt how to balance yet. Its pitiful to watch and it’ll be fun seeing him ko’d by the first person he meets who can actually fight back.

Posted May 20, 2013 1:19 pm 


scottyboy

This site is really going downhill fast. It used to be full of decent writers and posters alike, now it just rarely gets half decent posters that are able to discuss boxing. This writer clearly doesnt even know the difference between a ko and a tko. To give him the education he obviously needs: if a fighter is hit and does not get up by the count of 10 its a ko. Fury ko’d cunningham, now go to school.

Posted May 20, 2013 1:12 pm 


horst fraze

if fury could get past haye(preferably by KO) he would certainly deserve his shot at the title

Posted May 20, 2013 1:06 pm 


dwc

mack…Good point.Fury just likes talking alot of crap…and keeping his name in ink.I like Fury but I hope he keeps training as hard as he runs his mouth.As for Wilder beating this version of Harrison dosent make him the greatest thing since the wheel.

Posted May 20, 2013 12:36 pm 


mack

Doesn’t Fury have a title eliminator coming up? Why call out all these opponents while commited to another fight? Fury was, supposedly, close to a fight with Vitali. Right now, off recent form, it doesn’t look like he could win, but why risk getting knocked out for less money?

Posted May 20, 2013 12:27 pm 


Wolf

If Chisora-Wilder comes off and Wilder wins why would that not be good enough for Fury to fight Wilder. Be a real interesting match.

Posted May 20, 2013 12:17 pm 



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