by Geoffrey Ciani (Exclusive Interview by Jenna J & Geoffrey Ciani) – This week’s 150th edition of On the Ropes Boxing Radio (brought to you by CWH Promotions) featured an exclusive interview with one of the top trainers in the game of boxing, Floyd Mayweather Senior. Mayweather shared his views on Manny Pacquiao’s controversial victory against Juan Manuel Marquez. He also discussed his views on his son’s May 5, 2012 date which some speculate may be the long awaited showdown with Manny Pacquiao, and he also discussed the possibility of a fourth fight between Pacquiao and Marquez. Here is a complete transcript from that interview:
JENNA J: Hey all you boxing fans! This is Jenna J welcoming you to our 150th episode, and we have a very special guest to open things up this week. He is a man that is definitely no stranger to “On the Ropes”. He appeared just last week and he is here today to give his opinion on a fight that took place this past weekend. We are joined by the one and only Floyd “Joy” Mayweather Senior. Floyd, you saw that fight this past weekend. What did you think about it?
FLOYD MAYWEATHER SENIOR: It was a lot crooked stuff that went down. Some people are being paid off. I don’t know who, but some people are being paid off as far as I’m concerned because that was so clear to see a blind man could see it. Marquez beat the hell out of Pacquiao! It was hands down! Nobody can even dispute it in no kind of way, form, or fashion! All they’re doing is wrecking boxing. I’m telling your right now, if he fights little Floyd like that, you can forget it. It’s over. He don’t even have a prayer.
JENNA: Alright now Floyd, so you think that the reason Pacquiao got the decision that something corrupt must be going on for that to have happened the way the fight was fought?
MAYWEATHER: It seems like to me like maybe they’re getting ready for little Floyd. So when you’re getting ready for little Floyd maybe he’s getting down, and Pacquiao knows he’s about to take the test and maybe he’s just coming down off of things. And hey! It just shows you he’s going to get his ass whopped! That’s all it shows you. It seems like to me, that to me right there, that right there was the Pacquiao that I used to see! This is the Pacquiao I used to see! This ain’t the Pacquiao that knocked out De La Hoya, that knocked out Cotto, that knocked out all these other big people! That ain’t the Pacquiao we seen in this fight! This Pacquiao was another Pacquiao. This was a Pacquiao that’s beatable and anybody could whop his ass that’s at this weight! It just ain’t even the same man, period!
JENNA: Floyd, so we’re clear with fans out there, you’ve been on our show many times in the past and you’ve mentioned your belief that you thought Pacquiao was taking something. So what you’re saying now is maybe you believe he’s coming off of whatever you thought he was using to prepare to fight Floyd?
MAYWEATHER: I guess they’re talking about the May fight. It looks like he’s trying to come down to fight my son, and if he comes down any kind of way to fight my son looking like that—little Floyd will beat him with blindfolds on! I know he ain’t, but I’m just telling you right there. Hey! Look! Something don’t look right! It’s simple. That’s all I’m telling you. Something don’t look right at all to me. That ain’t the Pacquiao we all been seeing. That ain’t the same fighter! The fighter we had seen before, he would have at least dropped what you call him a couple of times. He did nothing!
JENNA: Alright now Floyd, watching that fight, what surprised you the most?
MAYWEATHER: What surprised me like everybody was talking about, there ain’t nothing to say! The real Pac-Man was shown today! I’m talking about the Pacquiao, the real Pacquiao. You just seen the real Pacquiao! That’s all I’m going to tell you. If he fights Floyd like that, hey look! My thing before, all I ever told you is what I believe. It’s what I believe, and what I believe is if he ain’t doing what I believe, then guess what? Hey! He’s going to have to get it like it happened then! If you don’t do what I believe that he do, then hey! He’s going to really get his ass whopped by little Floyd.
JENNA: Okay Floyd, watching that fight, was there anything you saw in the ring that you believe that Pacquiao could have done better technically in there to have had more success?
MAYWEATHER: He’s not technical! I keep telling you over and over and over every time you ask me on the station! I tell you all! He’s not a technical fighter! He’s not no fighter with no craft! He’s no crafty fighter! He’s a wild fighter who throws wild punches. What you call him was a crafty fighter. I mean I’m being honest with you. Even though little Floyd whopped him, he’s a crafty fighter. Marquez! Marquez is a crafty fighter! He’s the kind of guy. You seen how bad little Floyd beat Marquez. What in the hell is Pacquiao going to do to little Floyd?
JENNA: Alright now Floyd, there were rumors going into this fight about Marquez because of the person that he was working with. Watching the fight did you see any validity to those rumors that were going around?
MAYWEATHER: Let me tell you this right here. Whatever stuff you got in your body, okay? Whatever stuff is in your body, it don’t make you move when a guy throws a punch. It don’t make you move! I mean you can take the stuff and it will make you just superbly strong or whatever. You might not be able to move from the punch, but you take the punch. But it’s not going to change your mind around. You know what I’m saying? You can be strong and stuff like that, and it could help your probably that when you get hit, you can take a hell of a shot and stuff like that. But as far as boxing, it don’t teach you how to move your head, and slip, and pull punches. It don’t teach you how to be defensive and it don’t teach you when to throw punches. You throw punches when your mind tells you to throw punches. So he connected on. There was nothing wrong with him. The only thing that was wrong with the fight, if it was anything, it was Pacquiao not doing whatever he was supposed to do. Then the whole thing is he was trying to get ready for little Floyd, and guess what? He let the whole world see his ass! He let the world see what really happened to him.
JENNA: Okay. Hey Floyd, I’m also on the line with my Co-Host Geoff. Geoff.
GEOFFREY CIANI: Hey Floyd, great to talk to you again.
MAYWEATHER: How are you doing, man? Are you alright?
CIANI: Yeah, I’m doing good! Floyd, I was wondering, do you think this whole thing with Pacquiao now struggling with Marquez in three different fights—do you think it’s just a matter of styles make fights?
MAYWEATHER: No! It ain’t no styles make fights. It’s what you saw! It’s what you saw, that’s what it is.
CIANI: Now that this happened and Pacquiao was largely exposed by Marquez this weekend, a lot of fans used to be 50-50 I’d say between who the thought would win between your son and Pacquiao. But now everybody is saying that your son would win handily.
MAYWEATHER: Thank you!
CIANI: Do you think that fight has lost some of its interest amongst the fans because of how Pacquiao looked against Marquez?
MAYWEATHER: Well look here. Marquez pulled the cover off of him. That’s all. Little Floyd whopped Marquez worse than Marquez beat Pacquiao! If you remember the Floyd Mayweather Junior and Marquez, if you remember that fight Floyd whopped Marquez worse than Marquez actually whopped Pacquiao!
CIANI: Do you think that Pacquiao will want to fight your son after the performance he had this past weekend?
MAYWEATHER: No, no, no! He don’t want to fight Floyd anyway. He already knows he can’t do that. He don’t want to fight Floyd anyway. That’s nothing but those big guys that’s behind him. That’s all it is.
CIANI: So you don’t think the fight will happen between your son and Pacquiao this May?
MAYWEATHER: It ain’t going to happen anyway if Pacquiao don’t take the test. It ain’t going to happen anyway, because if he refuses to take the test you ain’t going to get that anyway. If he’s taking the test, and he takes the test before it happens, little Floyd is going to put his ass to rest. It’s as simple as that.
CIANI: Well if he doesn’t take the test and the fight doesn’t happen—
MAYWEATHER: It ain’t gonna happen. It ain’t going to happen!
CIANI: What options do you think will be out there for little Floyd in May?
MAYWEATHER: It don’t make no difference. Whoever. If he don’t fight in May, he’ll already be in shape for what’s up next. It don’t make no difference. He could fight the guy. What’s the guy fighting pretty close to that time? I think Andre Berto. You know, look here. Let me tell you something. They’re calling Pacquiao the best thing. If Pacquiao don’t want to take the fight, then hey that’s it! That lets us know everything. That lets us know Floyd is the baddest man on the planet, simple.
CIANI: So you think your son would fight somebody like Berto or maybe Amir Khan if Pacquiao doesn’t step up to the plate?
MAYWEATHER: Yep! But guess what? Something about Floyd and Amir Khan, guess what? Amir Khan is going to take that test, too! And it’s going to be a random test for him, just like it would be for Pacquiao. It will be a random test!
CIANI: In a perfect world Floyd, who would you like to see your son fight in May? Would you like to see Pacquiao take the test and fight him?
MAYWEATHER: I mean everybody is talking! They even got shirts talking about Mayweather is running from Pacquiao! Hell yeah I’d like to see that fight! I mean that’s one of the fights that I want to see like everybody else wants to see! I want to see what he can do. Hey! I just want to see if he can do what people say that he can do after he takes the test! Then I want to see what he can really do! I want to see what can he really do. That’s the fight I want to see!
JENNA: Floyd after the third Pacquiao-Marquez fight, Amir Khan—a man that spars with many Pacquiao—said he believed that Pacquiao lost. What does that say if anything?
MAYWEATHER: Okay! Amir Khan has got the right idea! That’s what happened. Pacquiao did lose! Hey look! Now right now, by him saying that, it lets you know that something is wrong in that family right now. There is something going on in the house that’s not right between Pacquiao and Amir Khan for him to even say that. There’s something wrong in the house right now.
JENNA: Alright now Floyd, if the fight between Pacquiao and your son doesn’t happen in May, a lot of people say the most marketable fight for your son would be a fight with Amir Khan. If Amir Khan takes that test, what kind of fight can the fans expect?
MAYWEATHER: Let me tell you right now, Amir Khan would get his ass tore up! He’ll get the same thing Pacquiao would get if Pacquiao would take the fight. But it wouldn’t matter if that’s the one little Floyd would fight. Floyd would tear Amir Khan’s ass up! Like I said, he can’t fight. Floyd would tear Amir Khan up, because like I told you before, and I’m not just saying things. The same things that I said that I believed about Pacquiao, I believe the same thing about Amir Khan! There’s no difference! I believe the same thing about him as I believe about the other one. There ain’t no difference! They’re all coming out of the same house! It’s Roach’s house, so I believe the same thing coming out of Roach’s house. They need to be sprayed with Raid, and that’s what they need to be done. Sprayed with Raid, and then everybody can see what the hell’s going on!
JENNA: Floyd with Pacquiao looking the way that he did this past weekend, people now say the biggest threat to your son would actually be a fight with Sergio Martinez. Do you see that same threat?
MAYWEATHER: Let me tell you something. I don’t want to see my son fight no Sergio Martinez, because Martinez is really just too damned big for little Floyd. I’m not saying little Floyd won’t whop him! But you know. I’m just saying little Floyd could still fight, if little Floyd was training real hard and went on a diet, little Floyd could fight at 130! I mean not 130. Little Floyd can fight at 140! Little Floyd walks around at 152/153 pounds. That’s only 13 pounds he got to lose to make weight, and that’s nothing for a fighter to make. You got some fighters who lose 30 pounds to make weight, or 20 pounds to make weight, and all that stuff. So that’s nothing. You know.
JENNA: Alright Floyd, well I just have a couple of more questions before I let you off the line here. With the fight with Marquez and Pacquiao, looking at it as a trainer—and you’ve been very critical of Freddie Roach in the past—as a trainer, what could you have told Pacquiao to have more success against Marquez in that fight?
MAYWEATHER: One thing I seen that they talk about how Freddie Roach changed Pacquiao in this fight, and how much different. He didn’t change nothing! He’s fighting the same way! Freddie Roach, when you see him on TV, he’s doing the same thing! He ain’t making no difference. He’s doing the same thing! That’s all. You see him getting ready and put his hands up to his face, hold his gloves up, and bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam! I’m just telling you, he ain’t made no changes. My thing is I can’t even relate back to the fight how the fight went, but I wouldn’t know how to tell him how to fight if I was in his corner at the time the fight was going on. I can’t relate back because I can’t tell what happened round for round. So you know. I do believe that I could have done better than that, though! I mean what he did, I seen Pacquiao throwing punches going in a circle! I ain’t never seen nobody do that in my life! If you look at the fight long enough, you’ll see one time Pacquiao’s going to be going in a circle throwing punches. Who in the hell have you ever seen do that? Nobody! I never seen that in my life! There’s nothing to tell Pacquiao now! Marquez went and beat his ass three times! There ain’t nothing to talk about! They’re talking about another fight. Another fight for what?! The same thing is going to happen.
JENNA: Now Floyd, as you alluded to, after the fight Bob Arum suggested that Pacquiao should fight Marquez for a fourth time…
MAYWEATHER: (jumps in) Oh no! Why not little Floyd? Why not my son? Why Marquez for a fourth time? For what?! I mean, Marquez whopped his ass all three times! There ain’t nothing to talk about! Bob Arum’s saying a fourth time! You’ll get a fourth time! Yeah!
JENNA: Now do you think Bob Arum is in any way happy that this happened with Pacquiao because he could sell a big fight with Marquez?
MAYWEATHER: Look here! Look here! Let me tell you something! What happened is a big failure and a big letdown to, not only to Bob Arum and his staff, but to the whole world who wanted to see Floyd Junior fight Pacquiao. It was a letdown everybody. Trust me. All those people talking about Pacquiao whopping little Floyd, you see what they’re saying now. Little Floyd handled Marquez handily! It was easy. Pacquiao not only struggled, but got his butt whopped! How in the history of boxing? Bob Arum wants them to fight four times! How in the history of boxing have you ever seen somebody fight four times?! Not two! Not three! But four times! How many people do you know that fought four times that you know of?
JENNA: I know of a few.
MAYWEATHER: Who?!
JENNA: I know Rafael Marquez and Israel Vazquez fought four times.
MAYWEATHER: Who?!
JENNA: Marquez’s brother fought a guy four times. Rafael Marquez fought Israel Vazquez.
MAYWEATHER: And they fought four times? They fought four times?
JENNA: Yep! 100%. Four times.
MAYWEATHER: So what was the record? Who won?
JENNA: 2-2.
MAYWEATHER: 2-2? Alright, well it looks like there needs to be a fifth fight then!
JENNA: Marquez’s brother won pretty dominantly last time out, so I don’t think there will be a fifth fight.
MAYWEATHER: Well that’s what I feel now, too! I feel like Marquez won dominantly in three fights. There’s no need to fight now more. For what? He ain’t got nothing to prove. He can’t win anyway! If he wins he cannot win! They ain’t going to let him win! So it’s simple.
JENNA: Alright well Floyd, I have one final question for you. On May 5, 2012, your son has already announced that it is his intention to fight. What are the chances we see him staring across the ring from Manny Pacquiao on that date?
MAYWEATHER: I see there ain’t no chance if Pacquiao don’t take the test! I don’t see no chances of getting it across. I don’t see him standing across the ring from Pacquiao if Pacquiao don’t take the test—the Olympic test! Not any test, not these tests where you can just piss in a bottle. No! We’re talking about a test where you’re dealing with the blood. He wants to talk about being scared of all these needles and stuff. Here’s a man who’s got tattoos all over his ass! Everywhere! On his chest, on his arms, everywhere! He’s probably got them on his ass. Who knows? I’m just telling you he’s got them everywhere! Pacquiao is full of it! And guess what? The whole thing is he will finally be put to rest when he fights Floyd. Believe me. And then you all talk about Freddie Roach being the greatest trainer! (laughs) For six years in a row that’s the biggest bullsh*t I ever heard! I mean little Floyd is undefeated! Manny Pacquiao’s been beat twice! Manny Pacquiao’s been beat twice! It’s simple. I don’t know what to tell you. I just think that the covers are going to be pulled off of Pacquiao, because when they make him take the test I already know my son’s going to put him to rest! It’s going to be over. Trust me!
JENNA: I’m looking forward to seeing that fight and seeing it happen.
MAYWEATHER: Believe me when I tell you! You ain’t going to see much of a fight! You see how Freddie the great coach Roach talking about moving his head. Pacquiao don’t even move his head! Guess what? You see what little Floyd did to Victor Ortiz? You see how little Floyd hit Victor Ortiz?
JENNA: Yeah, I saw it.
MAYWEATHER: You saw how Floyd hit Victor Ortiz! We ain’t talking about the protect yourself at all times. We ain’t talking about that. We talking about even before that! We talking about how every time Floyd struck the right hand he hit Victor Ortiz with it. And guess what? It won’t be no different with Pacquiao, because guess what? Pacquiao don’t move his head, and guess what? Freddie Roach who supposedly is the best trainer in the last six or seven years, guess what? He don’t know how to teach him to move his head. And guess what? Pacquiao’s going to get stopped by little Floyd. Trust me when I tell you! I know what I’m talking about! Little Floyd stops Pacquiao. I’m talking about something that’s a fact! Because you know why? You want me to tell you why little Floyd is going to stop him? Because he’s going to be under the guideline of taking that test, and when you take that test, we know the rest. We know the rest!
JENNA: It’s been talked about long enough. Hopefully it happens and we see what happens when those two both get in the ring.
MAYWEATHER: Well I already told you so. Don’t see I didn’t tell you. You talking about styles make fights. Styles do make fights, but guess what? Pacquiao is tailor made for little Floyd! Pretty much all of them were tailor made for little Floyd, but Pacquiao is tailor made. You know why? He throws wild punches, and when he throws wild punches he’s going to run into something every time. It’s going to be like a grown man fighting a kid when Floyd fights Pacquiao. Trust me. It’s going to be like little Floyd got his belt off and pulled his belt from around his waist. Hey! Now it’s a chase! Little Floyd is chasing Pacquiao all around the ring. Believe me. That’s just the way it’s going to be. It’s going to be like a father and child thing. That’s what it’s going to be like.
JENNA: Alright well Floyd, it has been fantastic getting your views on this fight so close after it. I thank you for the time, and as always when we have you on the show I do wish you the best of luck with all the fighters that you work with going forward.
MAYWEATHER: Alright, I appreciate that.
CIANI: We’re definitely looking forward to hopefully seeing that in May, Floyd, and once again we’d like to thank you for coming on the show and wish you the best of luck.
MAYWEATHER: Alright. I appreciate it. Take care of yourselves now. Bye bye!
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