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It’s Me, Ernie

Getting constantly popped on his melon didn’t help either…

Posted November 28, 2012 10:12 am 


Berto wasn’t perpared for a Greco-Roman Wrestling match..

I thought it was funny when Gerrero physically grabbed Berto and bulled him against the ropes time and again with Lou Moret standing there with his thumb up his butt. What the hell is this, steer wrestling? The commentators were laughing too because it was funny. If it were anybody but Berto, who was caught doing PEDs, I think there would have been as many gasps as laughs. They were saying “Shades of Lennox Lewis” and laughing like they were at a party. I also thought the way Guerrero broke into Berto’s interview was pretty audacious. He’s a very assertive dude and he was aggressively spinning his behavior in a clever way. I don’t think he has any illusions of beating Floyd, but I think he’ll have a plan. It seems like if you beat Berto and you get Floyd next. Hello retirement fund.

Posted November 27, 2012 7:15 pm 


I blame Berto for this loss as much if not more so that I give Robert credit for it. That was a different Berto we saw Saturday and I’m certain that the Berto we’ve seen in the past would have stopped the average Ghost by mid fight.

Berto allowed Robert to get off first the entire fight and never threw more than one punch at a time. I don’t know what he and his corner where thinking but they did show us that they had no plan B. They stuck with plan A the whole fight and lost as a result.

Posted November 27, 2012 6:07 pm 


I think we are being a bit hard on non elite fighters there are only a SCANT few of them and we know that Berto is not one of them…He can be a good or very good fighter depending on the bout but the need for everyone to be flawless is unrealistic… 99% of boxers don’t retire undefeated, Berto has NEVER been stopped which counts for something…

Posted November 27, 2012 5:35 pm 


Berto was spoon fed small, hand picked opponents his entire career, including Ortiz and Guerrero. The fight was competitive, and if Berto wasn’t knocked down in the first two rounds he might have squeaked a close decision, but what difference would it make? He is a “B” level fighter and was beaten narrowly by another “B” level figher. Neither he nor any of his opponents will ever be competitive against an “A” level guy; Just because HBO treats you like a star, doesn’t make you an “A” level fighter.

Posted November 27, 2012 5:22 pm 


“The change to Roger was likely more personal than technical”-Exactly. Floyd changed to Roger because his Dad was too demanding and didn’t tolerate ANY errors from Jr. and when he did make any mistakes his Dad would berate him. Most Fathers are harder on their own sons then anyone elses. SO Floyd changed because Roger doesn’t berate him after the minimal mistakes that he makes…..IF it were Floyd Sr. in the corner when Floyd got caught against Mosley His Dad would be saying “WTF are you doing??? Move you Got damn head!!” while Roger just simply said “Just Box the SOB”…..Floyd already knows what mistakes he’s made before he even makes it back to the corner…. And at this point he doesn’t really need any technical advice. He’s been Boxing for 30+ years and already mastered his craft…..Just like a 30 year mechanic. You don’t have to give him technical advice. You just tell him to “Fix the damn car”

Posted November 27, 2012 4:40 pm 


Mayweather did not invent it but he is its finest living practioner and cracking that defense has been the goal of his opponents for 15 years.. He is so good that landing a clean shot on him damn near gets a guy ready for the HOF LOL….

Posted November 27, 2012 4:23 pm 


Mayweather Jr, HATED his dad and did not get along with him in the slightest… Apparently the father sold his mother drugs when she was strung out ect… The change to Roger was likely more personal than technical… What are Rogers stunning instructions in the corner? “Box that B*%$#TCH” “Keep doing what your doing” “Boxing is a thinking mans game”…. Floyd is pretty much self directed

Posted November 27, 2012 4:11 pm 


I am a prrrrrrrrriiiiick

Posted November 27, 2012 4:05 pm 

Fight Aficionado

“Berto’s experiment with the Mayweather style shoulder roll defense.” – Stop crediting Mayweather as if he invented that. It’s called the Philly Shell and has been a part of boxing for decades. I remember a guy Gooden from Philly who was doing that shoulder roll in the early ’90s. He never made it to the bigtime though, went to prison or something.

Posted November 27, 2012 3:55 pm 


I’ve seen teams fire two coaches in one year and finally find a winning coach who everyone is happy with. Some owners just won’t tolerate losing coaches and pull the plug quickly. If one trainer can’t do the job move on to another trainer—not for the sake of passing blame for your defeats—but if obvious technical weaknesses exist you have to abolish them ASAP. It’s all in your mindset. Foreman switched trainers a lot. Not that it made him a super boxer but he wasn’t happy with getting his ass kicked. Mayweather Jr. switched from his dad to his uncle. His uncle showed him a technique he liked and he said, “I’ve got to get more of this.” Shane Mosley dropped his dad but wasn’t happy with his new trainer so it was back with daddy. Manny Steward and Jermain Taylor didn’t click. Steward was so good that if you didn’t listen up you were toast. He had world class boxers lined up to work with him so he didn’t suffer slackers.

Posted November 27, 2012 3:11 pm 


Wladimir stuck with Steward following a loss because it was their first fight. The new instincts weren’t automatic, because it takes more than one camp to absorb a small fraction of everything Steward learned in 45 years to that point as a boxer and trainer.

Posted November 27, 2012 3:06 pm 


I SAID that Berto was more flatfooted than a Duck billed PLATYPUS and I was CORRECT.

Posted November 27, 2012 2:49 pm 


HaHaHa “Prison physique” yeah Bertos legs are garbage he is NOT quick, and his lateral movement is not impressive…

Posted November 27, 2012 2:33 pm 


Berto’s bulky upper body & chicken legs don’t allow him to be light on his feet. Berto has that prison physique that totally neglects the lower body. Berto might think about hiring a strength trainer that isn’t in a wheelchair.

Posted November 27, 2012 1:43 pm 


I always said it and always say it Berto is overratted and is a b level fighter! I think He needs a new Trainer! Berto needs to man up! Stop crying when you lose and firgure what you did not wrong move!

Posted November 27, 2012 12:12 pm 


I mean Amir Khan has been knocked out while having more than one trainer and so was Wlad Klits… Reality is that on a given night a fighter can be had and thats just the high and low of it…. Some guys do need a change, because they have never worked with a World Class trainer but when a guy cannot remain stable no matter who he works with then we have to respect he may be limited…. Ricky Hatton was knocked out with 3 different trainers and if he gets a 4th it will be the same thing..

Posted November 27, 2012 12:06 pm 


I’m also dubious on the idea of trainer hopping which is often a PLOY to place blame with the trainer when the fighter failed to execute… Often when the boxer loses confidence or is badly beaten they start calling out the trainer who got them the bulk of their wins… Hatton was gonna get beat by Floyd or Pac no matter who was in his corner… Khan was getting knocked out by Garcia no matter who was in his corner he was FAR too confident in his abilities and tried to fight all out like Pac Man who has one of the BEST chins P4P that I have ever seen… I think a solid trainer is important but a committment to improve is indispensible and there is also a cap on how good most fighters will become no matter how hard they work, hence the reality of Elite fighters..

Posted November 27, 2012 12:00 pm 


Tark, using a Klits, Barrera or Pacquiao as examples of stylistic or technical revisions is the equivalent of using Hopkins to illustrate the average experience of a 47 year old fighter…Berto tried more than just a change in stance, he attempted to punch and defend using a VERY niche style that is effectively employed by a scant few professionals to maximum effect the KING being Floyd Mayweather Jr, who has been rolling shots since the Salem Witch Hunts… Berto, suddenly jumps out in a major fight (not even a stay busy bout) and tries that madness? He got handled and will likely NOT master this style at his age…And for the record Klits more muted his offense and learned to clinch which is not some sort of massive technical overahaul…

Posted November 27, 2012 11:50 am 


If a boxer is under 32, and has been losing a couple of fights with a srewed up stance, you do a total revision—if you can… It depends on the fighter. “Wladimir Klitschko was tremendously receptive from our first day working together and worked his tail off. Nasim Hamed was hostile and argumentative. So 1 or 2 fights with a guy like that who won’t listen and wants to do everything his own way, and you move on. That’s the 2 extremes of everybody I trained, from guys who are a delight to work with to guys who are a pain-in-the-ass to work with.” … It’s the making a horse drink scenario—and it can’t be done sometimes. But as with any sport, sometimes the trainer-coach doesn’t know what he’s doing. Some coaches turn losing teams into winners… Some coaches turn winning teams into losers… Like Amir Khan—sometimes you have to interview trainers until you find one who you’re pretty confident can solve all your problems … Good luck Andre Berto.

Posted November 27, 2012 11:40 am 


Even if Floyd mayweather sr taught Berto his shoulder roll and that wind shield wiper defense that mayweather jr uses doesnt mean
Berto would be succesful at it hes 29 yrs old now .I remember mayweather sr had delahoya using it and he didnt look good using it .latter DELAHOYA seemed to abandoned it and started to use his jab and distance as defense

Posted November 27, 2012 11:06 am 


Tark, there is NO comparison between Berto and Donaire as it pertains to legs and athleticisim… Watching Donaire will do him (Berto) very little if any good… Donaire has been compared to a YOUNG RJJ in terms of his ability to leap and move quickly with his feet in the ring… Berto has explosive hands and cement legs by comparison, his future requires him realizing he is a standup fighter who needs to move forward and plant when he fires… Donaire has the gift of improvisation that Jones and young Mayweather had, their balance was terrific… Berto is NOT nearly as stable and does not fight well moving backwards…

Posted November 27, 2012 11:06 am 


Some of the BEST trainers in the game don’t try to change a fighter late in his career they simply try to improve on what he does well… Andre Berto does NOT know how to use the shoulder roll to the effect of a Mayweather or Broner because he has NOT been doing his whole damn life or pro career… It afforded him NO advantage especially because he allowed himself to be bulled to the ropes, smothered and pummeled… Berto is a good fighter and to his credit these guys are not knocking him out but he has hit the canvas 4 times in his losses… He will continue to make good fights and may make a push for a title again but his lack of mobility and ring smarts are proving to be costly…..Those legs SUCK

Posted November 27, 2012 10:44 am 

It’s Me, Ernie

Latest pantload: “Hey Andre Berto…, The improvement in your stance was really a regression. Go back to the drawing board amigo.” Obviously it wasn’t an improvement…

Posted November 27, 2012 10:29 am 


What a silly article. I agree the “shoulder roll” defense did Berto little good but it was hardly a major factor in the beating he got from a superior ring technician. Besides that defensive tactic only lasted a few rounds until abandoned it. I’m a bit confused as to why so many writers on this site are trying to explain away a very simple loss for Berto. Was Berto even that highly favored…if at all? The dude got beat up by a better fighter on the night plain and simple.

Posted November 27, 2012 9:30 am 

The Kingslayer

Eh I think it had more to do with Guerrero’s rough tactics and his abililty to out muscle Berto.

Posted November 27, 2012 9:19 am 


At one point Guerrero threw 3 straight lefts a right at Bertos face and hit all 3 times. I really thought that Berto was going to be able to out muscle The Ghost but I waproved wrong. The Ghost had a plan and he executed it perfectly. Ye he got hit too but he also proved that he could take a massive upper cut to the chin and not even wobble. I’d like to see him fight Floyd because Floyds Philly Shell has proved to have it’s flaws and perhaps Robert has found a way to crack it. Hell if Zab almost did it why not Robert. But I would also like to see him figh TB, Tim is a survivor and knows how to adapt so i think that would make a very good fight.

Posted November 27, 2012 9:08 am 


Yeah, the shoulder roll and 500 punches to the face.

Posted November 27, 2012 8:24 am 

X,Y and Z says

lol, Berto got beat up, PERIOD!

Posted November 27, 2012 6:28 am 

terror tim

You don’t try to teach a fighter who has always had awful head movement like Berto the Philly Shell. Great style to work with but takes years to master. This is something an an amateur would do. To think just because it works for Floyd that it will work for you is like something Boxtra would tell a fighter. Your style should enhance your best assets. Berto needs get back to the basics in many areas but you can’t remake him in one camp.

Posted November 27, 2012 4:40 am 


Fraud? If Guerrero is a fraud what is Berto? Guerrero beat Berto like a slave lol that Negri got a slashing

Posted November 27, 2012 3:11 am 


Yeah, blame the shoulder roll, ref, inactivity, defense, offense, weather, low tide in Australia, bears in Russia, japanese cars, war in Afghanistan, colombian cocaine, BUT GUERRERO JUST BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF HIM, PERIOD!!!
He pounded both eyes of Berto shut, and sore looser had to wear sunglasses immediately!!!
That is just world class asswhoopin’ he received saturday night !!!
Guerrero is da man!

Posted November 27, 2012 2:25 am 


Hey Andre Berto…, The improvement in your stance was really a regression. Go back to the drawing board amigo. Watch Nonito Donaire’s last fight which was also against a world champion southpaw… very loose… very fast… great range in his jab and straight right… Great speed… Feints you right out of your socks… perfect feet… almost perfect torso and head… gets lead left hooks and uppercuts off with perfect ease and decepton… gets right counters off with ease… Made his crafty southpaw opponent fight his fight, and look like a clanky tentative slowpoke who couldn’t slip a punch … Watch the fight 3 or 4 times and then pretend you’re Donaire and shadow box for 7 or 8 rounds.. Then watch it few more times and repeat the process… If your feet are a problem do tons of wind sprints and do some backwards… Have somebody time you.. Get up to 5 strides a second.. Do those “quick feet” exercises where you’re moving, don’t just skip rope.

Posted November 27, 2012 2:20 am 


Of course credit must be given to Guerrero, after all, he was able to manhandle Berto…two weight classes up.

Posted November 27, 2012 1:59 am 

The Mad Scientist

I have to agree whatever Berto was trying to do rendered his right hand useless but it was the Ghost game plan, toughness and durability that caused Berto the fight not his cheap imitation of the shoulder roll..that’s one of the first things me and my boys noticed during the start of the fight where we all said, “hell nah!”..

Posted November 27, 2012 1:42 am 


that’s all

Posted November 27, 2012 1:12 am 


with his original style, he has a pretty good, fast right hand…

Posted November 27, 2012 1:12 am 


I don’t know about costing him the fight or not but the shoulder roll rendered his right hand almost useless. Floyd rolls his shoulder but he stays at the right distance & position where he can effectively counter-punch with his right hand;Berto was leaning back & to the side way too much & all Guerrero had to do was to throw his right, clinch & start mauling poor Berto. The Floyd thing did not do it for him…watch the fight again.

Posted November 27, 2012 1:07 am 


The Mexican ghost beat the ish out of that Negri

Posted November 27, 2012 1:04 am 


Berto can’t handle Mexicans, Ortiz an Guerrero both smashed him up lol@WTF

Posted November 27, 2012 1:00 am 


His shoulder roll did’nt cost him the fight. It was an admission that he has no chin. Let’s face it: Berto is a B- fighter at best. He has never beaten a B+ fighter. He squeaked by on a controversial win against Collazo. He was in trouble against some Journeymen fighters. He has no head movement. He can’t get out of the way of punches and when anyone touches his chin he is in trouble. Let’s let Guerrerro enjoy this win. But let’s not get crazy. Guerrerro did not look good at all. He was continually hit by clean shots by a fighter who was trying to survive.

Posted November 27, 2012 12:28 am 

te tumbo

JAKE LEAD RIGHTS, i hear you. i’ve also listened to spanish-broadcasts of the same fights, reflected, and resented how the biased shilling of HBO’s broadcast team ruined a good fight. i think Bernstein and Tarver do a good job though and even Malignaggi shares good insight before being herded back into HBO’s Shill Corral by Kellerman and Merchant or whoever. their must be strong promotional interests at work. otherwise, it’s needless and counter-productive to their own long-term credibility, which is already notoriously questionable.

Posted November 27, 2012 12:24 am 


Berto wasn’t experimenting with the shoulder roll… He was tweaking his stance.. He has a bad one—and one reason is he points his right foot out at 90 degrees as he sets up his leads from the outside.. This is also what Paul Williams and Joe Calzaghe did and it limits your ability to sharp shoot with lightning jabs and straight rights. You can’t crack them off as fast and easy as the best boxers so you zip in closer with hooks, uppercuts, and 45’s. Berto’s feet are wrong, his knees are wrong, his shoulders and torso are wrong, his hands are misplaced etc. The best thing for Berto to do is study Ward, Mayweather, Donaire, Broner, Wladimir, Haye, and other great boxers who jab and rip straight rights WAY better than their opponents—and uncover what they’re doing with their stance to increase their range and speed. This is possible, but hard to do on your own. Retooling is hard. Even with a great trainer like E. Steward a masterful stance can take several years to perfect.

Posted November 27, 2012 12:09 am 

Jake Lead Rights

Tetumbo….As for HBO commentating it’s just plain painful to hear and to see the replays of the rounds. They kept showing how Berto was able to get his shots off but they never showed how Guerrero was punching his lights out. I was listened to the Mexican commentating and they were spot on throughout the fight. I’ve been listening to other commentators from around the world when theres a big fight and it’s shameful to hear our countrymen spoil the fight with their biased observations.

Posted November 27, 2012 12:08 am 


the shoulder roll is designed to slip the RIGHT hand, when fighting southpaws it becomes ineffective because in actuality you are leaning into the straight LEFT…..

Posted November 27, 2012 12:07 am 

Jake Lead Rights

The shoulder roll sucks….Broner got his ass handed to him by PONCE. If Zab wasnt such a front runner he would’ve continued to batter Floyd. Had Oscar continued to use his jab he would’ve beat Floyd too. The shoulder roll has only proved that it’s a foolish defensive strategy. What did happen is Guerrero proved that the shoulder roll isn’t a defense that you teach and use over nite. Berto went out on his shield and I was very proud to see him go out like that. I didnt care for his excuses because he was doing the same thing as Guerrero.

Posted November 27, 2012 12:04 am 


Neither Guerrero nor Berto are elite or even great for that matter. Problem with Berto is that he does not have inside fighting skills — zilch. That was the tie-breaker in favor of Guerrero and don’t blame him for wanting to fight Mayweather — it’s probably the quickest way for Guerrero to make real millions.

Posted November 26, 2012 11:55 pm 


Berto looked stiff and incomfortable right off the bat, his corner was horrible.his trainer couldn’t have trained a decent fighter even for a tough man his couches and drop the “berto” defense copy cat style.

Posted November 26, 2012 11:41 pm 


I think then ghost was on ped’s . He’s gotten huge and did you see all the nasty acne all over his back? 30 yr old men are past puberty and acne.the guy looked like he was 3 weight classes heavier.

Posted November 26, 2012 11:37 pm 


The shoulder roll experiment cost him an eye! Like the saying goes Burto: “Silly rabbit, Trix are for kids.”
You just can’t pick up a style overnight and not expect to get your ass wooped. lol

Posted November 26, 2012 11:19 pm 

Boxing expert

Berto has always been an average fighter with little talent. Guerrero good chin but he needs to learn to use the right hand. Never saw any jabs, hooks, uppercuts or flurries where the right hand was used

Posted November 26, 2012 11:09 pm 


“Boxtradumass hahahahha I still can’t get over it you suck again”-Yup. I predicted the Fight for the WINNER again. IF that’s what you call sucking then I suck ALOT.

Posted November 26, 2012 10:59 pm 

Tomato Can

Berto would have lost even without the failed shoulder roll try. He would have lost if the fight took place on the outside too. Guerrero has a heck of a chin, and he’s just a better fighter than Berto.

Posted November 26, 2012 10:38 pm 


I dont think he would have chosen to apply the shoulder roll defense if he didnt first practice it in sparring, question is who the hell was he sparring to have thought that this might work against Guerrero?

Posted November 26, 2012 10:34 pm 


Anyone remember De La Hoya trying it against Vargas?
Oscar is lucky he has a jaw made of granite coz he was blocking with his head in that fight.

Posted November 26, 2012 10:31 pm 


Yeah that was a terrible idea by Berto and not sure why he tried to use a style you don’t just pick up or purchase at your local store. That is a style that takes many years to tech and perfect. So dumb move by Berto. And he may very well be done at an A level. He was never elite.

Posted November 26, 2012 9:33 pm 


It wasn`t PBF`s style as much as it looks like he`d been studying `The Problem` Adrian Broner. It looked very similar to how Broner looked against Demarco. My first thought when Berto came out was, `why is he trying to mimick Broner` ???

Posted November 26, 2012 9:30 pm 


This is what i said nov25 in ‘Guerrero defeats Berto…’ :”By using that Floyd’s shoulder defense, Berto nullified his ability to delivery the counter-right hand…he showed regression in his skills & he’s definitely no longer elite.”…this writer agrees with me & he’s right.

Posted November 26, 2012 9:21 pm 

i know more than boxtra

Boxtradumass hahahahha I still can’t get over it you suck again hey how bout Hopkins vs Dawson hahahaha

Posted November 26, 2012 9:10 pm 


let’s not put any of those guys in the same level as Golovkin none of the top middle weights could beat him. Before his watching of the Fight it was rumored that he left a few Heavy Weights at Big Bear Lake injured and not wanting to continue sparing.

Posted November 26, 2012 8:56 pm 


this is what i said in the first round, like what the hell is he doing!!!!!!!! he would fair much better in a rematch.

Posted November 26, 2012 8:54 pm 


i guess i am an idiot i thought the fight was up for grabs and definatley warrants a rematch. im not a big fan of either, but thought the ref was horrible and favored the ghost all night. but great fight!

Posted November 26, 2012 8:53 pm 


That alone? Man fought like an idiot. Either that or he’s useless without the PED’s. The guy has to stop and think what he’s going to do before he does anything. No reflex action. Just stands there and take blows after blows. Throws a thunderous uppercut and thinks about it for 5 minutes before he throws another one. Even though Guerrero is a total slime-ball… If any top fighter rewards this guy with a fight, I hope he gets a knee in the balls and a thumb in the eye! The top fighter that is…

Posted November 26, 2012 8:46 pm 

E in Denver

Berto didn’t use the shoulder roll vs. Ortiz & he ate a lot of lefts that night as well. Guerrero won the fight more that Berto lost it. Guerrero made Berto fight on the inside & crowded him all night. Berto was supposed to be the bigger man yet he was pushed back to the ropes all night. That version of the “rope a dope” wasn’t working.

Posted November 26, 2012 8:08 pm 

te tumbo

it was funny how the HBO broadcast team was already touting the new wrinkle in Berto’s defense as some sort of game-changer in favor of Berto. they clung to this angle for as long as they could before Berto abandoned his “experiment” and regressed into survival mode v. Guerrero. yet another biased and poorly-called fight by the shills of Lampley & Co.

Posted November 26, 2012 8:06 pm 


Just that the little things matter. Burto standing up in the corners was really bad.Guerrero was persistant and in great shape with a good fight plan,although it is the only way he can fight. Sooner or later a complete fighter will beat him up.Until then,he deserves everything good that can be said about him.He will represent himself well anywhere against any one…..God bless…..kenny weldon

Posted November 26, 2012 7:41 pm 

Daly Jr (Juanma, same tranny) likes to touch herself

Agreed. Berto aint no Mayweather

Posted November 26, 2012 7:01 pm 


liljp361 – Hahaha! So true. It was Robert’s left hand….Berto felt the power and his game-plan went BYE BYE!

Posted November 26, 2012 6:48 pm 


I was laughing my butt off at Berto’s stupid “you ain’t got nothin” smurk on his face!…Guerrero QUICKLY punched it off. After that left hand, Berto didn’t want anymore.

Posted November 26, 2012 6:47 pm 


Burto’s shoulder roll was not the problem.Rolling his shoulders without moving his feet while doing his shoulder rolls was the problem.He kept lineing himself up in front of his opponent and not changing his height or range.His feet must stay in motion.It is hard to go anywhere without feet. He should also bend his legs more and attain a wider rythem in doing so.He has a good corner.I am sure they picked up on this ……God bless….kenny weldon

Posted November 26, 2012 6:46 pm 


I could’ve sworn it was Guerrero that cost him the fight

Posted November 26, 2012 6:39 pm 


GOOD guess but allowing himself to get BULLIED to the ropes is what cost him the Fight. And also not throwing OR landing enough PUNCHES is what cost him the Fight.

Posted November 26, 2012 6:37 pm 

Gonzo the Dragonborn

So if Berto hadn’t have used the shoulder roll defence and fought his usual style he would’ve won, right? lol. Reaching much.

Posted November 26, 2012 6:36 pm 


Bertie is not a smarter fighter than Robert that what cost him the fight.

Posted November 26, 2012 6:29 pm 

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