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Demarco is going to get punked by Broner.. like he was vs Valero.. Abner Mares is going to get a loss vs Panamanian Moreno and Rios will lose as well… Mexicans have not done well in over a decade.. Angulo derailed by Cintron and Kirkland, MargaCheato retired by Cotto and punked by Mosely and Paquiao.. Ortiz punked by Mayweather.. Arreola brought to tears by Klitsko.. Chavez Jr. humiliated by Martinez, etc etc etc.. there hasn’t been a new Mexican Top linear Champion in over a decade.. Canada has produced more Champions.. :lol:

Posted October 6, 2012 7:02 pm 


Didn’t Arce pull a no mass Bogus injury vs his Puerto Rican opponent in his last fight?? :smile:

Posted October 6, 2012 6:57 pm 


Now that Chavez Chicken Jr. has been flushed down the Toilet by Argentinian Martinez, Mexicos hopes for any relevancy in Boxing rides on the shoulders of a Red Headed kid that has fought no one of substance and continues to dodge his Mandatory Cuban Lara… pretty dismal for Mexico.. :lol:

Posted October 6, 2012 6:56 pm 


Stop all the B Blah blah blah.. Canelo has done nothing, fought no one and continues to dodge his mandatory Challenger Cuban Lara trying to get a free pass to big money.. but he will have to get his Red Headed b back on line and take on the guys that he needs to take on before he can think he’s anything special.. Once he clears out his diivision he can then beg for a fight with the Elites… :wink:

Posted October 6, 2012 6:54 pm 

te tumbo

FATE1, you can hype absolutely EVERY PR that’s ever been able to officially claim a belt but i can count the number of truly great PR fighters on one hand with fingers to spare: 1. Ortiz 2. Gomez and 3. Camacho who is on my personal list of top-20 fighters of all time. maybe even top-15 without a bit of exagerration. i cue him up all the time just to remind myself of what the sport’s lost with the exit of a prime Hector Camacho. gritty defensive and offensive brilliance. if i hadn’t actually seen Chavez Sr. dismantle Camacho, i would be tempted to favor Hector in a fantasy matchup. i’m Still tempted to favor him over the lightweight Duran BUT that’s why they have the actual fight. to remove all doubt.

Posted October 3, 2012 3:20 pm 

te tumbo

nice to read that Mendoza does have a sense of humor. Btw, because of our overwhelming numbers, we can afford to forget a few “losses”. after all, no hay mal que por bien no venga. that’s why a “loss” is not considered to be the end of a ring-warrior’s career. any Mexican fighter that sensitive would definitely be forgotten as in “good riddance”. anyway, Peace and “defend yourselves at All times” . . . :twisted:

Posted October 3, 2012 3:14 pm 

M. Mendoza

MAD Scientist and TE Tumbo: Pretty darn funny!! Quit lying to yourselves because you DO FORGET when any of your boxers LOSE — you guys have a prodigious imagination to even turn a sorry loss into a victory. It’s okay though because I enjoy all of your postings and how witty both of you can be despite the emotional taint in your usually brilliant remarks. PEACE

Posted October 3, 2012 12:04 pm 

The Mad Scientist

Tumbo -I hear you about not laying thing to do for those who don’t want any part of this dance is to sit out and spare themselves from the agonizing truth..I agree there was a time not to long ago this year when Public Enemy had to take a break to recover from his meltdown..Lol!, he has tried to come back under other names but his usual blatant rants are not so hard to you said, we are legion..we don’t forgive, we don’t forget, expect us..

Posted October 3, 2012 11:54 am 

te tumbo

MAD SCI, we both know who the multiposting WTFoolio is (lol). as far as his silly and hypocritical paisanos: until they regulate their own i sure as hell ain’t going to sit still while they try and regulate the likes of Me. otherwise, Mendoza thinks it’s pretty funny when WTFoolio lies and dumps all over Raza but just can’t take it when i respond with FACTs. besides, it’s always funny watching Public Enema pout, scream, and blow a gasket over having his peanut-head shelled and educated . . . “Canta y no Llores” . . . (lol) . . . :twisted:

Posted October 3, 2012 9:18 am 

The Mad Scientist

WTF??- why don’t you be a smart little boy and stop talking nonsense to spare the feelings of the other Rican fight fans who obviously don’t want no part of what you’re trying to pump up around here..atleast most of your other peeps seem more reasonable unlike you who comes off as a bitter far as me I really don’t care what you do, Im always down to clown, talk trash or whatever..

Posted October 3, 2012 2:57 am 

te tumbo

however, suit yourselves. according to your statistical “per capita” formula, the overwhelming odds are that there will never be a great PR champion able to avoid being challenged and defeated by a Mexican fighter. after all, we are legion. we don’t forgive. we don’t forget . . . expect us . . . :twisted:

Posted October 3, 2012 2:32 am 

te tumbo

FATE1, I Repeat: Salido was outnumbered 3.5 million to 1 on the day he rematched and defeated Lopez IN Puerto Rico. for someone who likes to toss around statistical formulas, you seem to be conveniently oblivious to the odds that Salido faced and overcame TWICE. leaving the image of the Mexican flag featuring a golden eagle perched on a cactus while grasping a serpent in its beak seared in your memories. THAT’s ring-greatness.

Posted October 3, 2012 2:28 am 


Te tumbo read and understand before you speak. Of course boxing is one on one but we are talking about per capita population wise. Its simple math.

Posted October 3, 2012 2:14 am 

te tumbo

I Repeat: i’ve yet to be stunned by a PR champion daring greatness by strolling into Tijuana, De-Efe, Guadalajara, or Culiacan, Sinaloa, Mexico to face and defeat a legendary Mexican champion in front of his fans, family, and friends. conversely, Ramirez v. Rosario, Margarito v. Santos (robbery), Segura v. Calderon, Salido v. Lopez (attempted robbery) are in the video archives. those are examples of fighters daring greatness, i.e., what “rivalry”?

Posted October 3, 2012 1:55 am 

te tumbo

spare us your deceptive territorial arithmetic. need We remind you once again (and again and again)? it’s One-on-One in a Boxing ring. that Mexican fighters carry the pressure of multi-millions more on their shoulders is their normal and your fantasy. otherwise, all factors are reduced to equal in a boxing ring, e.g., Salido’s individual grit and heart beat down Lopez IN Puerto Rico. where he was outnumbered at least 3.5 million to 1.

Posted October 3, 2012 1:41 am 

M. Mendoza

Fate1: You are absolutely right. I think that Mexicans who bash PR boxers do not have the IQ for demographics. About 119 million Mexicans compared to some 9 million PR — yet, they expect the same number of champions. Who cares? We hold our own in quality fights and number of belts — despite their country’s population as it pertains to statistical ratio of probabilities.

Posted October 3, 2012 12:56 am 


Learn the facts. Puerto Rico is p4p the boxing capital. Look at the fact that it is an island of 4million. Compare that to Cuba and Mexico . Puerto Rico has produced more champions in the last 20 years besides Mexico. Like I said when you take into consideration the size of each country puerto Rico by far Has more champions per capita. I would also like to mention that Latinos are the ones making boxing relevant . Latinos unidos

Posted October 3, 2012 12:26 am 


Tumbo…. Boxing is not “do-or-die” … If you have an injured eye that’s been pounded shut by a deft left, the doctor is going to stop it.. It’s not that I’m concerned about Cheato’s health.. I’m concerned about anybody’s health.. If Cotto had an eye like that after Cheato punched it numerous times, the doctor would have rightly stopped it in Cheato’s favor.. BTW, Mosley shutout and KO’d Cheato.. Cotto beat Mosley.. There was little chance, except in your biased brain, of Cheato overcoming a superior boxer and puncher like Cotto, sans plaster.

Posted October 2, 2012 10:45 pm 

The Mad Scientist

WTF???- just admit that mexican fighters is the main reason you watch boxing you root for them or against them mexican fighters are the ones who get the boxing fans blood pumping like no other in the sport..nuff said!

Posted October 2, 2012 10:43 pm 

The Mad Scientist

Tumbo -even Agentinians are more worthy rival than ricans are..WTF?, needs to give it up, he’s reaching to much..subtract most fighters on te tumbo’s top 10 raza list and the sport wont be as exciting or interesting, that’s on the real..

Posted October 2, 2012 10:38 pm 


Nope Mexico/Cuba own that department Mexicans pro,Cuba amateurs.

Posted October 2, 2012 10:16 pm 


Puerto Rico is pound 4 pound the boxing capital of the world.

Posted October 2, 2012 9:35 pm 


Can someone tell me who has canelo fought who is in the top 10 in the jr middle weight division ? At least cotto is fighting another champion on his own weight class. Cotto defeats trout it sets up a unification bout with Mayweather, canelo, or the winner of berto vs bundrage. Until canelo actually fights a legit contender I can’t give him the props people think he deserves. I like his skill set but I truly feel he is has to step up against a top fighter.

Posted October 2, 2012 9:33 pm 

te tumbo

. . . and i didn’t even mention notorious Boricua-Killers Segura and Arce . . . :twisted:

Posted October 2, 2012 8:49 pm 

te tumbo

Btw, according to the Ring, current Top-10 P4P Raza from heavy to strawweight includes: Arreola, Junior, Alvarez, Molina, Angulo, Lopez, Ortiz, Guerrero, Marquez, Alvarado, Cano, DeMarco, Vasquez, Beltran, Salgado, Magdaleno, Burgos, Solis, SALIDO, Garcia, DeLeon, Gonzalez, Mares, Santa Cruz, Ruiz, Ceja, Sanchez Jr., Cuadras, H. Marquez, Sosa, Hernandez, Torres, Fuentes, Garcia, and Rodriguez including several undefeateds. 35 in all. Btw, several Dominicans were also included in these rankings, which makes them increasingly worthy rivals . . . “canta y no Llores” . . . :twisted:

Posted October 2, 2012 8:48 pm 

te tumbo

you better mind your manners. i May decide to flush you down a cyber-toilet like i did your paisana Public Enema. that little boy doesn’t dare show up around here any more after I got through with her . . . “Viva La Raza!” . . . :twisted:

Posted October 2, 2012 8:08 pm 


Dumbo – What Great Mexican is out there making real noise?? Beating top unbeaten contenders??? Chavez Chicken Jr. was flushed down the toilet by Argentinian Martinez and Canelo is afraid to fight his Cuban Mandatory or guys his size.. Mexico hasn’t produced a Great Champion in almost 15 years… NONE!!! who Arreola?? Vargas?? Pantitas Mojado??? Chavez Chicken Jr.?? next to be exposed will be Abner Mares by Panamanian Moreno, Demarco by Broner, Rios by the El Salvadorian, Canelo by Laras or Rosado.. face it Mexico is doomed.. too many Latinos lighting up their ASSESS… They just cannot get to the top unless they avoid top Challengers and have padded Records like Hype Job Canelo… Mexico in Boxing is a Hasbeen… not a single top Reigning P4P Champion… Not one.. Maybe Dumb Dumb Rios???… :lol:

Posted October 2, 2012 7:42 pm 


Raza?? my fkn ASS what a fkn moron.. that RAZA of yours is decapitating Mexicans like they were dogs in Mexico.. :lol:

Posted October 2, 2012 7:32 pm 


Tumbo – Mexicans will never be as tight with Dominicans as Puerto Ricans have been because every Dominican in NYC has Puerto Rican Friends.. Just like I do.. Same goes for Cubans because all Dominicans and Cubans in NYC ended up living in Puerto Rican neighberhoods… All Latinos stick together unlike Hispanics who are always at each others throats.. Mexicans don’t even get along with Mexicans… :LOL: now stop lickin Dominican nuts

Posted October 2, 2012 7:30 pm 

te tumbo

main events define a “rivalry” not undercards, e.g., Sanchez v. Gomez, Ramirez v. Rosario, Chavez Sr. v. Rosario v. Camacho, DLH v. Trinidud, Margarito v. Cotto, Segura v. Calderon, Salido v. Lopez, Arce v. Vasquez Jr., i.e., what “rivalry”? . . . :twisted:

Posted October 2, 2012 6:16 pm 

te tumbo

Btw, i’ve met and partied with plenty of Dominicans in NYC. including cab drivers, waitresses, and various professional people. good gente that had no problems with Raza. can’t say they felt the same about PRs or the other way around but that’s an east-coast thing that we got no experience with.

Posted October 2, 2012 6:12 pm 

te tumbo

TARK, you must be blinded by personal bias to deny that Cotto was noticeably wilting and fading the round beFore the convenient stoppage in Cotto’s favor. you also can’t claim any credibility by claiming any concern for Margarito’s well-being before, during, or after the bout. accordingly, Wtf do you care if he continues to absorb additional punishment for a few more rounds? i certainly didn’t. IMO, once the matchup was confirmed it was Do-or-Die. just the way Margarito has ALways operated.

Posted October 2, 2012 6:05 pm 

te tumbo

i stand corrected. Garcia (and Wilfredo Vasquez Jr. for that matter) has demonstrated gritty potential. his poise and discipline prevented him from becoming rattled by Khan’s initial offensive fireworks (which was pretty lethal) and enabled him to keep throwing and placing powerpunches on Khan’s average jaw and melon. i definitely consider Garcia to be near the top of the 140lb heap. Vasquez Jr. gets cred for carrying a Mexican flag with him into a boxing ring, i.e., if you can’t beat’em, Join’em. smart kid who has the potential of going thoroughly Mexican and not be discouraged by a couple of high-profile losses. it’s never phased Arce and look where he ended up Yeeeears after being KTFO by Michael Carbajal(?!). that’s how long Travieso’s been in the fight-game.

Posted October 2, 2012 6:01 pm 


Mexicos only claim to fame in boxing is being the Biggest Cheaters Sore losers in Boxing.. Bricks in Gloves, Steriods, PEDs, Weight Gain Tricks etc etc etc.. :twisted:

Posted October 2, 2012 4:50 pm 


All they have is the old Geezers from ove a decade ago trying hype them up but no one is buying it.. Chicken Jr. has been exposed as a bum and Canelo will soon follow.. Demarco will get spanked by Broner, Dumb Dumb Rios is about to get ko’d, Sore loser Marquez is going to get beaten by Paquiao for the 4th time.. Eric Morales will get dropped by Danny Garcia again, Rigedeux will KO Salido, Canelo will get by Martinez, Lara and Rosado.. Abner Mares will get spanked by the Panamanial Moreno.. Just too many other Latinos who’ve joined PR kickin Mexican ASSES…

Posted October 2, 2012 4:49 pm 


James – Mexico is no longer a power anything in Boxing.. They haven’t produced a top continuous Champion in over 15 years… look at all the recent losses.. Angulo vs Cintron, Demarco vs Valero, Angulo vs Kirklan, Arreola vs Klitscko, Rios vs Abril, Diaz vs Broner, Eric Morales vs Garcia, Soto Karass vs Gabriel Rosado, Sotto Karass vs Mattyesse, Humberto Soto vs Matyesse, Chavez Cheato Jr. vs Martinez, etc etc etc.. Mexicans haven’t been doing too good.. :lol:

Posted October 2, 2012 4:44 pm 


mexico is a boxing powerhouse
puerto rico is a straw tent (the same one the idiot tainos lived in) 34 ranked fighters in 17 weight classes. JEALOUSY IS ENVY

Posted October 2, 2012 4:30 pm 


Canelo is starting to show those Neandeerthalish facial features associated with Long term Steriods abuse.. like we saw in MargaCheato, Salido, Angulo, Andrade, Salido, Vargas, Chavez Jr, Chavez Sr. etc etc etc.. The guy is dirty and Olympic Style Drug testing will out him and Chavez Cheato Jr… for sure. :lol:

Posted October 2, 2012 1:41 pm 


Tark – Agree, Not only Was Cotto Badly beating Cheato but he was actually backing the powerless MargaCheato who we all know is nothing without his Magical Tijuana Bricks… As we see Cotto basically Retired MargaCheato who could no longer take the continuous Beatings he’s taken ever since they took a way his Brick loaded Wraps.. I believe he returned them to Chavez Sr.. :lol:

Posted October 2, 2012 1:14 pm 


WTF is Tumbo talking about??? …. Cheato’s right eye wasn’t just closed, it was slammed shut by the masterful Cotto’s deft left… Cheato was already being outboxed very badly with 2 eyes wide open.. With one eye nailed shut he had no chance in the world.

Posted October 2, 2012 12:18 pm 


Rios, Demarcos and Red Head Conejo will be next.. LOL… :lol:

Posted October 2, 2012 11:57 am 


Just because Mexican Hype Chavez Chicken Jr. was totally humiliated in front Of millions by Argentinian Martinez is no reason to start Suckin Dominican Balls… Besides Dominicans don’t like Mexicans.. no one in Boxing does.. ROFLMAO… :twisted:

Posted October 2, 2012 11:55 am 


You think Edwins win was more impressive them Gabriel Rosados KO of Mexican Sotto KarRass??? or Sechew Powel???

Posted October 2, 2012 11:53 am 


So Dumbo – You Feel Edwins Win over a Green kid with 16 Pro fights was more impressive then Danny Garcias Devastating KO of top Ranked Amir Khan and his Beat down of Cry Baby Eric Morales??? Oh, lord you’ve trully lost your little chubby Chihuahua mind… :twisted:

Posted October 2, 2012 11:52 am 

te tumbo

at the moment, the best Carribean fighters are Dominican, e.g., Rodriguez and the transplanted Dulorme. PR boxing has been erased from the rosters of boxing’s elite. although, i hope that they continue to push still-green prospects to overcome superior and more experienced competition with little more than delusional pride. just when Public Enema thought it was over he gets another pillow to cry in shoved in his face. no wonder he no longer has the will, desire, or heart to visit these threads any more. he’s too busy crying himself to sleep. it’s the cyber equivalent of the Cotto bow-down, i.e., he don’t want any more of This . . . :twisted:

Posted October 2, 2012 10:20 am 

te tumbo

after reviewing and comparing both Margarito v. Cotto bouts, it’s obvious that Cotto was once again slipping towards the same fate in the rematch before Arum’s designated ring-doctor stopped the fight because of concern(?!?) for Tony’s well-being. yeh-Right. concern for Margarito’s health should have prevented the bout from even happening NOT stopping it at the very moment that the tide had noticeably shifted in Tony’s favor. nothing but a contrived marketing ploy to increase Cotto’s coinage before proceeding to confirm his PPV-bout v. Mayweather. meanwhile, i get a big chuckle from studing the faces of the PR crowd during Salido’s unrelenting demolition of JuanMono (lol). particularly that bleach-blonde slobbo sitting ringside (LoL). or the stunned expressions of those sitting near Salido’s wife as she celebrates his KO win, which was necessary. otherwise, the scorecards revealed a robbery in progress, which Salido prepared for and overcame with grit, skills, and a ring-warrior’s heart, i.e., what “rivarly”? . . . (LoL) . . . :twisted:

Posted October 2, 2012 10:08 am 

the chad

How did that bum Alonso gomez even land a shot at Cotto that was funny

Posted October 1, 2012 9:28 pm 

the chad

Canelo would destroy Lara and vanes nuff said

Posted October 1, 2012 9:26 pm 


Just wait until Dumb Dumb Rios gets in the Ring with his next opponent it’ll be as bad as the Asswhooopin he recieved from Cuban Abril.. and Demarco will be made to Quit like Crybaby Diaz by Broner… :twisted:

Posted October 1, 2012 8:52 pm 


Tumbo – While you’re at it Que up the Monster ASSWHOOOPIN put on MargaCheato by Mosely, Paquiao and Cotto II.. LOL… while you’re at it Que up these Mexican Great Matchups..Angulo vs Cintron, Demarco vs Valero, Angulo vs Kirklan, Arreola vs Klitscko, Rios vs Abril, Diaz vs Broner, Eric Morales vs Garcia, Soto Karass vs Gabriel Rosado, Sotto Karass vs Mattyesse, Humberto Soto vs Matyesse, Chavez Cheato Jr. vs Martinez, etc etc etc.. Mexicans haven’t been doing too good.. canta y no Llores.. LOL Isn’t that the Mexican National Anthem?? Surely not Salsa..

Posted October 1, 2012 8:49 pm 


Angulo vs Cintron, Demarco vs Valero, Angulo vs Kirklan, Arreola vs Klitscko, Rios vs Abril, Diaz vs Broner, Eric Morales vs Garcia, Soto Karass vs Gabriel Rosado, Sotto Karass vs Mattyesse, Humberto Soto vs Matyesse, Chavez Cheato Jr. vs Martinez, etc etc etc.. Mexicans haven’t been doing too good.. canta y no Llores.. LOL Isn’t that the Mexican National Anthem?? Surely not Salsa..

Posted October 1, 2012 8:48 pm 


I’ll Believe it when i see it.Till then canelo remains a paper champ like jr who Sergio exposed.Step up the competition cenelita.

Posted October 1, 2012 7:18 pm 

te tumbo

i will now proceed with my monthly ritual of cueing-up the Tony v. Junito demolition (“a modern boxing classic”). i’ve added the Salido v. Lopez II matchup (attempted hometown robbery) for good measure. if i’ve got time, i’ll also cue-up the Chava v. Gomez matchup as well, i.e., what “rivalry”? apuntesen y acompáñame . . . :twisted:

Posted October 1, 2012 7:07 pm 

te tumbo

FATE1, who did Foreman or Trout defeat to prove that they “belong” with Cotto? the lack of any credible response only highlights Cotto’s avoidance of the best 154lb-comp. 40+ wins and no defeats adds up to a much bigger payday than ALL of Cotto’s 154lb-matchups combined. your defense of Cotto falls short in the credibility and profitability categories. when a fighter can no longer dare fight for credibility or the biggest paydays, they are considered gatekeepers pure and simple.

Posted October 1, 2012 6:53 pm 

From Detroit

Oops… “their” not “there”.

Posted October 1, 2012 6:24 pm 

From Detroit

It seems that some posters here don’t know there boxing. War torn Cotto is at the end of his game (he won’t beat Trout). Canelo is just starting out. A match up between the two isn’t all that interesting. Canelo/Lara sounds like a good fight.

Posted October 1, 2012 6:23 pm 


All this talk of if cotto had balls he would fight canelo. I ask u te tumbo and the rest of your raza who in hell has canelo fought in the top ten at jr. Middleweight? You can’t answer that because it hasn’t happened. You who cotto fights ? The best. You can’t even compare resumes. It’s like someone who graduated from Harvard and you have a kid who just finished community college. You saw what happened to arreola when he stepped up against vitali and ademek. We will see soon enough what balls canelo has when he faces a true 154 lb. contender.

Posted October 1, 2012 6:20 pm 

The Mad Scientist


Posted October 1, 2012 6:03 pm 


Oscar was well ahead of Tito after 9 rounds—but then he started running like a scared rabbit, losing all the remaining rounds on the majority of cards.. The HBO crew, who were all Oscar lovers, were relieved that Oscar didn’t get a political decision.. They all thought Trinidad deserved it because of DLH’s running game. Oscar refused a redhot rematch and Tito kept winning, going to 40-0 when old man Hopkins flattened him. However Tito put up a longer, harder, and more entertaining fight against B-Hop than Oscar did … Oscar talked long and hard about a rematch with Trinidad, but chickened out every time Tito came to the table.

Posted October 1, 2012 5:46 pm 

te tumbo

Btw, i’ve yet to be stunned by a PR champion daring greatness by strolling into Tijuana, De-Efe, Guadalajara, or Culiacan, Sinaloa, Mexico and defeating a legendary Mexican champion in front of his fans, family, and friends. conversely, Ramirez v. Rosario, Margarito v. Santos (robbery), Segura v. Calderon, Salido v. Lopez (attempted robbery) are in the video archives. those are examples of fighters daring greatness, i.e., what “rivalry”?

Posted October 1, 2012 5:42 pm 

te tumbo

“Canelo must prove he belongs by beating a serious-solid opponent”. PAPO, who did Foreman or Trout defeat to prove that they “belong”? the lack of a credible response only highlights Cotto’s new role as a glorified gatekeeper. also, 40+ wins and no defeats adds up to a much bigger payday than ALL of Cotto’s 154lb-matchups combined. consequently, your defense of Cotto falls short in the credibility and profitability categories. both of which are surpassed by an immediate matchup v. Alvarez.

Posted October 1, 2012 5:35 pm 

te tumbo

well, i can’t argue with Arreola’s emotional post-fight breakdown. in fact, we were within earshot and were shouting “No Chilles, cabron!”. kind of diminished what was otherwise the last time a Klitschko had to fight for a win. the DLH Robbery was just that and he was only expressing the incredulity that every other fight-fan in the world was feeling: “i outpunched him by 100 punches?!?” sheepish relief is the most Cheato fans had a right to express in public. otherwise, Sin Verguenzas!

Posted October 1, 2012 5:29 pm 


Te Tumbo, of course fans are stunned when they see their favor fighter loose, especially if the fighter happens to be a countryman. That’s true not just for PRs, but Mexicans, Americans or any other nationality…that’s call loyalty and being a true fan.

On the other hand, I doubt very seriously that Cotto is afraid of Canelo, as you are alluding. I think that if the money and circumstances are right they’ll fight each other. However, there are current businesses to take care of; Cotto must first beat Trout and that won’t be an easy task, considering Cotto’s age. Also, Canelo must prove he belongs by beating a serious-solid opponent.

Though 40 wins may sound spectacular to many, it’s full of unknowns opponents and well-arranged fights. By the way, pointing this out doesn’t mean we are Canelo’s haters; it’s just a fact. Perhaps he’ll be the one to clean up the division (and obviously has the talent), but he needs to prove it by fighting better quality opponents.

Posted October 1, 2012 5:26 pm 


Tumbo…, As for De La Hoya vs Trinidad. The relief for both the crowd and the HBO commentators was that they didn’t give a political decision to DLH—after he ran his ass off for the last 4 rounds and ran the 3-minute mile in the 12th. There’s no better way to piss off the judges because they had him ahead after 9 …. The HBO crew wasn’t saying pretty things about Oscar, who was their favorite coming into the fight. They condemned his actions.

Posted October 1, 2012 5:12 pm 


Not more enjoyable than watching the reaction of DelaHomo/Fishnets crying and cursing on that long walk to his dressing room after he finished what he thought was a track meet . Or the Mexican Marshmellow Man crying like a b*tch after his fight against Vitali lmao

Posted October 1, 2012 5:05 pm 


No, I think Cotto would fight Canelo.
He’s fought a lot of good fighters and has managed to pull in the bucks. So when the $$$ of a Canelo bout improves, Cotto will be there.

Posted October 1, 2012 5:04 pm 


The sactioning bodies are corrupt but the WBC has already been established as the worst. They basically gave Chavez and especially Canelo a title and proceeded to shield both fighters but especially Canelo who has held the belt for almost two years without fighting a mandatory or no one in the top ten in his weight class. And now Cotto, an established PPV star, is supposed to jump at the chance of fighting the untested Canelo? Cotto will fight Canelo when he is ready and on his terms as Canelo has no leverage, easpecially if Cotto has a belt of his own. Cotto can decide if Canelo is worthy of fighting him at MSG in June after the Trout fight. Until then Canelo can do what real champions do and defend his belt against a worhty challenger in Lara or Vanes.

Posted October 1, 2012 5:01 pm 

te tumbo

there are few things more enjoyable in boxing than comparing a PR corner’s pre-fight hopping, and shouting, and gesturing, and chest-pounding to their stunned post-fight reactions after their fighter has been KTFO, Again and Again and Again (lol). same with a PR fight-crowd. i always make it a point to study their reactions to Calderon or JuanMono being Pummelled into submission in replay. even the stunned relief and hysterical jubilation at the DLH v. Cheato TriniDud decision was pretty comical. talk about desperation for a win anyway they can get it, i.e., sin verguenzas(?!). that’s when you’re reminded of “100 sq. miles of delusional pride surrounded by reality”.

Posted October 1, 2012 4:47 pm 


There’s a lot of orgs out there who will name you World Heavyweight Champion of the 5 county misquito control district.

Posted October 1, 2012 4:44 pm 

B Red

what the hell did they do , i cant make the faces from the phone

Posted October 1, 2012 4:28 pm 

te tumbo

MAD SCI, Cotto has no intention of EVER facing Canelo and if he does, the payday will have to be enough for him to retire with. IF Cotto actually had the balls to face Canelo, he wouldn’t be assuming glorified gatekeeper duties for peanuts. he would need to confirm 10 matchups v. Trout to make the same he would in a single fight v. Canelo. at least, we can’t accuse Cotto of being greedy. in fact, he’s a lot smarter than he is greedy. his priority remains domestic comfort not legendary ring-glory. that’s what he would be risking in a matchup v. Canelo.

Posted October 1, 2012 4:26 pm 

B Red


Posted October 1, 2012 4:22 pm 


FATE1 – Once Canelo the Red Headed Mexican Puss starts actually fighting guys his size that aren’t bums or just about to retire he will be demolished just like Chavez Cheato Jr. That you can count on… :LOL:

Posted October 1, 2012 2:31 pm 


I’ll say it now but once canelo starts to fight top 5 jr. Middleweights like Lara, Molina, angelo and rosado then we will see what he is made of. I don’t see canelo beating Lara or rosado. Those guys are bigger and stronger. We will soon find out if canelo is the real deal or just a hype machine.

Posted October 1, 2012 2:11 pm 

te tumbo

“like most Mexicans with those huge padded fake records…” Canelo will probably emerge from the water on a PR beach and proceed to KTFO of their current hype-job in their hometown in front of their family and friends. that’s how PR boxing was relegated to second-tier in the first place and what Cotto is desperately avoiding with his glorified gatekeeper duties . . . “. . . canta y no Llores . . . ” :twisted:

Posted October 1, 2012 1:55 pm 


Canelo’s record is Garbage, 2/3’rds of those Bogus fights were in Mexican Cantinas vs Bums.. just like most Mexicans with those huge padded fake records… That’s why Canelos people will not allow him to fight any real opponent like Mandatory Cuban Lara or Rosado…

Posted October 1, 2012 1:37 pm 


The heavyweight division has gone to…Europe. Do the Euros consider it weak?

Posted October 1, 2012 1:13 pm 

Its Me, Ernie

The usual suspect wrote: “As the Heavyweight Division goes, so goes Boxing”. Actually the heavyweight division has been weak for several years now, yet the divisions between 35 and 68 have been off the hook with popularity and raking in the revenue.

Posted October 1, 2012 12:43 pm 


Good news!

Posted October 1, 2012 12:11 pm 


This is good news!

Posted October 1, 2012 11:49 am 



Posted October 1, 2012 11:35 am 


Mexico has never had a Heavyweight Champion, and the United States has had 53 going back to the origins of the London Prize Rules… As the Heavyweight Division goes, so goes Boxing.

Posted October 1, 2012 11:29 am 


With 40+ fights at 22, he could very well become another Latin centurion.

Posted October 1, 2012 10:58 am 

te tumbo

at 22 years-of-age and with 40+ fights, Canelo is way ahead of any other active fighter’s schedule. particularly somebody like Lara with less than 20 fights at 29-years-old. most fighters are barely debuting at Canelo’s age, which is the smart way to evaluate Alvarez’s progress and future. he is “debuting” with 40 pro fights under his belt. that is a huge advantage over any other fighter and it shows.

Posted October 1, 2012 10:44 am 

Neil (pomy)

I agree …. Alvarez would proberly KO Cotto right now. I think at 154; Alvarez is the best opponent for Floyd Mayweather. Alvarez would give him problems.

Posted October 1, 2012 10:43 am 


Canelo is not in for any rude awakenings.. He’s being handled pretty well and would do OK vs Cotto, Mayweather, or anyone else in the world. He knows damned well he’s going to have very tough fights in his future and may lose a couple. That’s a given in Boxing.

Posted October 1, 2012 10:25 am 


I agree it’s the manager’s responsibility to ensure the fighter is brought-up at a steady and lucrative pace to ensure his well-being. However, from time to time this protection can go a little too far and may even cause damage to the fighter’s career.

Canelo’s career, for the most part, has been easy. He hasn’t taken any credible risks and he has always been either the strongest or the youngest when compare to his opponents. However, sooner or later (I bet sooner) he’s going to face someone that has as much power or skill as him and he may be in for a rude awakening.

Will he be able to handle the power from these bigger guys? Will he get confused when his opponent walk through his punches and begin landing with their own artillery? What about if he goes down, will he have enough experience to get up and finish the fight?

Though in the end he may prove his critiques wrong, so far he hasn’t done enough to prove he belongs with the big guys.

Posted October 1, 2012 9:13 am 


The gingers need Alvarez to do well, he’s a credit to their race and young gingers need role models. A Mexican ginger is like the minority of minorities.

Posted October 1, 2012 7:41 am 

Ray Ray

I think u just answered ur own question? Cotto fighting Trout, a tittle holder. If he wins I’m pretty sure Cotto will have a belt, there4 have more sway and a higher bargaining chip 4 a rematch with Floyd or Canelo In a unification bout

Posted October 1, 2012 5:00 am 


Canelo has to prove he can beat similar sized or larger opponents than himself, he is always fighting smaller guys and frankly its a f*kn joke, its about time he had to fight mandatory challengers we’l see id he’s really that good as he’s made out to be, I think he’s good but well beatable, old Mosely nearly did it so he’s not all he’s cracked up to be.

Posted October 1, 2012 2:23 am 

The Mad Scientist

Miguel Cotto chose to fight Austin Trout, a title holder who’s not anymore proven than Canelo is and for what..?? Like I said in my first post, no amount of money would comfort Cotto and his fans from the howling mexican fight fans if Junito were to get his ass handed to him by Alvarez wich is the most likely conclusion at 154lbs and at this point and stage of both fighters career..

Posted October 1, 2012 1:54 am 

Ray Ray

oh well, I guess we wont b seeing Alvarez v Cotto or Alvarez v Maywether ant time soon….Im all 4 no.1 contenders getting there dues but this is bad timing, the above mentioned would make much more cash and much better viewing

Posted October 1, 2012 1:48 am 

The Mad Scientist

Mendoza -Cotto can dictate his own business all he wants..outside of Mayweather and Pacquiao who not only beat him but dominated Miguel, Canelo is Junito’s biggest payday, possibly the biggest payday of his career..Kid Cinnamon made 2mil fighting Mosley as co-feature and another 2mil fighting Josesito much is Cotto getting for fighting Trout in December..??, whatever it is Im guessing is not much more than what Canelo gets..

Posted October 1, 2012 1:23 am 


puerto ricans getting face fked by cotto

Posted September 30, 2012 11:34 pm 

M. Mendoza

No honest Mexican has beaten Cotto — the cheating Margarito is worthless unless some people like criminally-minded boxers. Like Pacquiao and Mayweather, Cotto can choose WHEN and WHO he wants to fight. Canelo has to wait for Cotto not the other way around just like the other boxers wait for Pacquiao or Mayweather to pick them. Cotto is on equal footing with these two when it comes to running his business. He’s earned it just like they did. Period.

Posted September 30, 2012 11:16 pm 


That was well flukey that was.

Posted September 30, 2012 10:48 pm 

USA Golf team

Those crowds booing, 10-6 last day at home,to lose that, well.

Posted September 30, 2012 10:28 pm 

USA Golf team

usa usa usa usa usa usa usa ,boo boo boo boo lost lol.

Posted September 30, 2012 10:19 pm 


When Erislandy wins..say good bye to your precious Mexican champ. Lara’s a technician

Posted September 30, 2012 9:53 pm 


Yes this boy needs to fight a credible opponent. Chavez junior gets stick, but I wonder what the difference is between the two. Its a high timehe faces someone credible too.

Posted September 30, 2012 9:31 pm 


““If he does not want to face the winner immediately after the conclusion of the contest, then he will have to forfeit the title…
If Golden Boy Promotions has an already existing fight on the schedule before the November 10th winner has been decided, then we will allow Alvarez to defend the title as the WBC Junior Middleweight Champion.

LET ME TRANSLATE THAT: “The WBC will enforce the mandatory defense right away!….Well, if Golden Boy Promotions lets us.”

Posted September 30, 2012 8:46 pm 

The Kingslayer

Froch the sanctioning bodies !!!!!!

Posted September 30, 2012 8:37 pm 

whiteman in d nial ali was truly the greatest

money floyd will care of alverez no problem he gonna geta ghetto whippin

Posted September 30, 2012 8:12 pm 

Joseph Herron

Yeah, Vince…Don Jose isn’t scheduled to appear for another two weeks. I was hoping to get some emailed questions from the fans on ESB and ask the best ones on air.

Again, email questions to [email protected]

Posted September 30, 2012 8:00 pm 

The Mad Scientist

Tumbo -much like his fans I don’t think any amount of money can comfort Cotto if he were to take another ass beating to another mexican..this why we get the constant outcry from the rican fans rantting about ginger fighting Lara, this guy or that guy to earn his shot or whatever..aside from Mayweather who did Miguel fight at 154lbs who was more worthy than Canelo..?? I don’t get it with these clowns wich leads me to the point I just made..

Posted September 30, 2012 8:00 pm 


Joseph, go with that but make sure you ask the right questions. You must have a top 5? Willing to share them?

Posted September 30, 2012 7:31 pm 


A Mayweather-Alvarez fight could probably do better than Mayweather-De La Hoya… Floyd may be mulling over the risk of this incredible matchup.. It’s hard to imagine skinny Floyd fighting this slab necked, barrel chested, youthful, freckle faced red head.. It depends on how badly he wants to outshine the PPV numbers of Pacquiao’s next fight. Maybe 3 to 1???

Posted September 30, 2012 6:37 pm 


It’s only a Golf game though, but if you win it’s good,if you lose so what,same as winning really.

Posted September 30, 2012 6:31 pm 


A lot of fighters have forfeited titles lately… Usually because they want to face the best fighters instead of their org’s mandatory.

Posted September 30, 2012 6:20 pm 



Won the Ryder cup

Posted September 30, 2012 6:17 pm 

te tumbo

there isn’t a single 154lbr with the breakaway talent to be favored v. Alvarez right now. Cotto has assumed glorified gatekeeper duties and wants nothing to do with him. i’m waiting to see what happens between Lara and Martirosyan before ruling them out as viable competition. IMO, Carlos Molina is the fighter with the style to stretch and perhaps defeat Canelo. otherwise, it’s futile to try and defeat Alvarez at his own game, which is fundamentally sound power-boxing.

Posted September 30, 2012 6:10 pm 


watching canelo beat down on anyone is better than watching a klitschko fight a bum

Posted September 30, 2012 5:26 pm 


fighting people at catchweights for a world title should not happen at all who has canelo fought who is ranked in the top 5 in the 154 …. Matthew Hatton ….. Ryan Rhodes ….. Alfonso Gomez ……. Kermit Cintron ….. Shane Mosley ….Josesito Lopez… i missing something here ?….

Posted September 30, 2012 5:15 pm 


The WBC can kiss my ass! They are the most corrupt. You can’t believe anything they have to say. All thy do is protect their own investments and pretend they do things right and by the book. Look at their history or corruption and you’ll see what I mean. Mr. Sulaiman should be ashamed of what he has done to the great sport of boxing.

Posted September 30, 2012 5:12 pm 

Joseph Herron

No apology necessary, Vince. Controversial questions are always insightful and necessary. As long as they’re respectful, there is nothing wrong with getting to the truth.

That’s the purpose of the interview. I always try to report both sides of every argument. One of the reasons why I wanted to report Vanes’ commentary this week, because I knew I would be following up wth the WBC for a rebuttal.

It’s all about reporting both sides and letting the readers decide for themselves. I’ve never been a big proponent of jamming my beliefs down the readers’ throats.

Posted September 30, 2012 4:51 pm 


And I immediately apologise, Joseph. That was the one about the goat.

Posted September 30, 2012 4:31 pm 


Guess you have a Don’t Allow Comments Which Might be Controversial button, Joseph?

Posted September 30, 2012 4:29 pm 

Joseph Herron

WBC president Jose Sulaiman will be featured on The Pugilist KOrner somtime in October, so get your questions ready!!

I will ask Don Jose any professional questions you guys email to me: [email protected].

He’s been featured on the show before and always answers tough questions as long as they are fair and intelligent.

Posted September 30, 2012 4:07 pm 


Yeah, let their money cows have 3 or 4 dubious defences then let one deserving fighter get a chance……eventually .Boxing fans should bow down to the governing bodies and their saintly behaviour

Posted September 30, 2012 4:07 pm 

whiteman n dnial ali was truly the greatest

pretty boy floyd will take care of all this

Posted September 30, 2012 3:24 pm 

Joseph Herron

Your words truly humble me, Kid Blast…coming from you, a master of the written word, I consider your statement to be a compliment of the highest order. Thank you, kind sir!!

Posted September 30, 2012 2:08 pm 

Kid Blast


Posted September 30, 2012 1:59 pm 


Who gives an F about WBC anyway? Titles are crap nowadays. Canelo is the real deal but WBC enforcing anything is like a mall cop being a real policeman.

Posted September 30, 2012 1:06 pm 

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