Thats the funny thing about Froch, one can see him doing great against anyone in the SMW LHW divisions, you can also see him doing badly.
I think that Froch most likely would win a difficult fight against Ward in London. The hometown advantage, as mentioned by others is enormous.
Ward looked ok against ER, but ER is a bum, like Dawson. Remember that Ward wanted to fight Pavlik, who has alcoholic problems, and later stopped, wisely.
We all want to see Froch vs Ward in London, or better Nottingham.Posted November 21, 2013 7:49 am
TARK – Im with you that Froch has no chance against Ward no matter where he fights. If I were Froch I would step up to light heavy and try and win something in a new weight class. To be fair once he has beat Groves he’s pretty much fought everyone in the division anyway.Posted November 21, 2013 4:10 am
Dan.., I see Froch v Ward in the UK if Froch beats Groves impressively.. But Ward will win more easily than their first fight.. These two guys are not close in boxing ability … or Froch would have agreed to the rematch before now.
Forch is basically padding his resume with easy wins right now … and was able to slide past Adonis Stevenson as his mandatory with the help of his orgs.Posted November 20, 2013 6:38 pm
John Wight doesn’t know what he’s talking about…
Groves is going to knock Froch out late??? NOT going to happen my friend. If anybody gets knocked out it’s going to be George Groves. Any decision win for Groves is not going to be a wide one—but with his youth and speed he might eek a close nod over the aging Froch. I don’t see an overwhelming chance of that happening though.
Neither man is a good boxer, but Groves has a forward head, a wide stance, and sort of hippity hoppity moves with his feet. He’s vulnerable to jabs and uppercuts. For the most likely outcome I see Froch cutting GG off, landing more jabs, getting to GG with uppercuts, left hooks, and rights, beating him up, winning a decision—and possibly stopping him. I make Froch a 5:2 favorite and it could be something along the lines of his Kessler fights.Posted November 20, 2013 6:28 pm
@boxing Barlow – that’s why I said to some degree. Calzaghe only started venturing away from home in his last few fights. When he was at the same stage as Ward I think he was a 100% home fighter. Maybe ward will fight overseas one day. If so it is only then his 0 becomes a risk. I’m going out on a limb here but I reckon Froch V ward in the UK and Ward gets beat. I think he is talented but I do not understand the hype. He beat Kessler on his way down and gets great credit, whereas Froch doesn’t, beat Froch bit was running and holding in rounds 11 and 12, beat a severely weight drained Dawson, worse than any pacman weight restrictions. He hasn’t knocked out ANY elite fighter other than said weight drained Dawson. His last legitimate KO was against Shelby Pudwill. Exactly. Sorry but his record is actually weaker than Froch’s and if he went on the road as much might carry a couple more defeats.Posted November 20, 2013 5:32 pm
No doubt about it though fighting at home holds a huge advantage. I think off the top of my head every fight in the super six was won by the home fighter.Posted November 20, 2013 3:56 pm
@Dan – Calzaghe fought in New York, Las Vegas, Germany, and Denmark. Ward has gone no where out of the US.Posted November 20, 2013 3:49 pm
“Fight Aficianado, mate, Groves was decked and hurt by Kenny Anderson, hurt by Degale, and hurt by Paul Smith… I think Froch comes from behind to stop a tired Groves in a great fight, may the best man win” – St Vitus that’s a definite possibility. I figure Groves will expend a lot of energy in the first half of the fight moving in and out and could even be up on the cards after 6. But Froch is a beast physically, doesn’t really get tired. He creeps up on dudes.Posted November 20, 2013 2:52 pm
Froch wins KO 9Posted November 20, 2013 2:18 pm
@bill – Froch had to take it, groves was his madatory. If he didn’t take it then he would bt stripped of the belt, and esb loons would be accusing him for ducking Groves. In all honesty no one except wads has truly dominated people, and if he did dominate completely everyone he fought then everyone would be complaining the division is weak .
And on the ward fight – you will never see him fight overseas – 20,000 Froch fans in Nottingham scares the shot out of him. If a football team were allowed to play all their games at home while the rest of the league played home and away they would win the championship every year. Boxing is the only sport that allows people like Ward, Jones Jnr and to some extent Calzaghe to play on their terms every time. I don’t think a fighter can be called great and p4p worthy until they have had to dig deep on the road. Ward will never do this for 2 reasons, 1 he couldn’t sell tickets away from home, 2 he likes all the advantages, be it the crowd, a safe home feeling or the use of a head or elbow.Posted November 20, 2013 1:54 pm
froch whips this ginger bumPosted November 20, 2013 1:19 pm
Georgie Groves is coming to win, he is very underrated and an extremely determined man, and he has a boxing brain. Froch is of course tough and rugged and the jab against Kessler was seriously improved, add the th needle they have and this one is fascinating, sit back and enjoy, thats what its about.Posted November 20, 2013 12:48 pm
Mick the Marmalizer
I see a Froch win via cut stoppage.Posted November 20, 2013 12:23 pm
Bill Patrice Jones
They only have one common opponent and Groves was far more dominant against Johnson than Froch was. Carl Froch is an exceptionally tough naturally gifted fighter. The type of which can’t be made. He does have several wins over world class opponents, but almost no dominant ones. He was life and death with Taylor, lost to Kessler, didn’t dominate him completely the second time, was in a close scrap with Pascal, looked bad against Dirrell but got a dodgy decision, was beaten up by Ward (but by sheer relentless toughness did better than any of Ward’s other opponents) was ok looking in another scrap with Glen Johnson. His two devastating looking wins were against Yusak Mack and Lucian Bute. He looked ferocious in those two fights, especially the Bute fight. It’s only that ferociousness that makes me think he might win because there is a possibility that Groves might wilt under the pressure of Froch’s first few hard shots. However unless Groves will do what Bute did and not be able to handle Froch’s power then he wins this fight. It’s no surprise or anti Froch campaign that have made so many insiders pick him to win. The Bute fight was Froch at his peaked best I don’t think he’ll be that good this time around. He’s not the underdog he’s expected to win and Groves is under his skin. The second this fight was signed I thought Froch was crazy for taking it. He’s done so brilliantly success wise post the super six he can fight so many of the really big names and have more career defining fights. He stands to gain nothing against Groves but potentially get a massive hit in his reputation. That’s what I feel will happen on saturday. Either Groves doesn’t have a chin and Froch mauls him in 5 or Froch will be frustrated, neutralised made to look akward and hit with good shots round by round. This has Groves SD written all over it.Posted November 20, 2013 11:43 am
John, your sell job of Groves leaves a lot to be desired….I’m of the opinion you have not really done your homework on this, but merely writing out of passion ,,,George has been a professional for five years and for you to write of his terrific hand speed and accuracy he has achieved very little with it…You go onto trill how a 19 fight unbeaten record tells no lies,,,,but it also only touches on the truth….Those 19 are really best forgotten,rather than remembered with pride….His chin has never been tested by a hitter so remains to be seen….But in this fight he is way above his head.the sheer ferociousness of Froch will overwhelm him ….I get no pleasure seeing any fighter hurt physically or mentally…So George…duck you sucker….Posted November 20, 2013 11:10 am
Groves punches harder than Dirrell but he’s easier to hit than Dirrell is. Though, I still favour Groves because of his underrated speed and punching power which could and probably would make the difference in the fight. I expect an early lead for Groves then I expect him to weather the storm in the later rounds,Whether he is up to the task we will all see but he sure has the fundamentals to pull it off. Groves by close decision bar robbery.Posted November 20, 2013 10:32 am
Yeah I agree that Froch has to eat up everything Groves has to throw at him trash talk wise as he was no better when he was calling out Calzaghe. Calzaghe would have done a number big time on Froch as well IMO. Froch should thank Calzaghe as his record looks pretty good at the minute where as if Calzaghe had have took him up on his offer Froch would have had a pretty nasty defeat on it.Posted November 20, 2013 9:45 am
Whats amazing me is that it seems to be a common opinion on here that Groves is technically the better boxer while Froch is the harder hitting crude KO specialist. The guy managed to outpoint the likes of Kessler, Abraham, Dirrell and Pascal. All of those fighters are or were world class standard and a step up from anyone Groves has fought. In fact my money would be on Kessler, Dirrell and Pascal to beat Groves were they to meet at this current moment in time. Beyond trying to box his way to a decsion I think we can all agree that after all the top class opponents Froch has been in with, unless he has aged badly since his last fight Groves chances of KOing him are pretty non exsistant. the more I think of this one the more I cant see any way for Groves to win. I think Groves will come out trying to employ a similar game plan to that of Dirrell’s when him and Froch fought, but if Dirrell didnt do enough to be able to exicute it I dont give Groves much chance of doing a better job.Posted November 20, 2013 9:41 am
A lot of people have mentioned Groves ability to stick to a game plan based on the de gale fight. Few have mentioned that Froch has the sale ability. Remember the Abrahams fight. I realise he has been exposed at SMW since, but in that fight Frich showed us a skill set few had seen in him before, he boxed beautifully behind the jab and made Abrahams look awful. Abrahams come with more credentials than Grives, the only difference now is he has been exposed, perhaps Groves is yet to be. I actually believe that this situation is similar to Froch and calzaghe, the difference being that Froch and calzaghe never fought. At that stage in their careers though the result would have gone against Froch who would have steuggled with the welshmans angles and work rate.
In this fight I think Groves represents a younger Froch, and has acted similarily during the build up as Froch did when trying to get calzaghe in the ring, no respect etc. Grives will come again and do a better job of winning the nations heart as currently most people want to see Froch win. And it has taken Froch 5 years and some tough fights to win the nation over.Posted November 20, 2013 9:32 am
Froch can be sloppy and can get outboxed. However, he’s looked really good lately. Should be an entertaining fight.Posted November 20, 2013 7:27 am
Regarding Froch’s chin, his style lends itself to opponents being able to connect. We’ve seen him stunned a number of times purely because his style is the age-old take one to land one. His chin is superb. There are plenty of flush shots he’s taken that would have dropped the vast majority of SMWs.
Just because he’s been rocked before doesn’t mean his chin is not as good as it’s made out to be. The fact is, the only occasions he has been rocked have been from flush shots. The Taylor knockdown was due to balance, he got straight up with no after effects.
The point on his ability to come forward for 12 rounds is very valid. I can’t see Groves avoiding him for the whole fight, Carl will connect at some point and he doesn’t pull punches. If he sees Groves hurt, he’s going for the kill.Posted November 20, 2013 7:18 am
I am sorry, but it is insane to believe that Froch will have any problems, with Kesslers sparring partner, who has never met anyone worth the time of day.
Froch will of course win by Ko within 4, probably 6 rounds, he is much to clever and relentless, for a young man like Groves. This fight comes years too early for Groves.
Sure Groves is a fine fighter, on that lower level. I fear this will be another Froch vs Bute thing.
I don’t think Groves would stand a chance against an over the hill Kessler, so why would I think that the young man can handle Froch?Posted November 20, 2013 6:48 am
Mack: agree completely! In fact, I’d go so far as to say Ward was hanging on for both the 11th AND 12th rounds and was looking decidedly uncomfortable. Froch had been given the schooling of his life but bit down on his gum-shield and still gave it everything he had. We saw the same grit against Taylor only that time Froch secured the stoppage whereas Ward was able to tie him up and kill the clock. Froch fights hard for all 12 rounds and must be a nightmare to fight even for someone with the sublime skills of Andre Ward.Posted November 20, 2013 6:08 am
These 2 boxers were actually my fav. I was gutted when this match up was made as I knew groves would lose his 0. People saying that he has came off better in the press interviews don’t know nothing. The outcome of this fight has never been in doubt. The sad thing is the way groves has been acting. He has been acting like cuncky did before there fight. The public hate degale and no one watches him even when it’s free. Groves has shown himself upPosted November 20, 2013 6:05 am
I’m having flashbacks to Mayweather/Alverez when considering this fight and, NO, I’m not comparing Froch to Mayweather before you all shoot me down!! However, Alverez was considered a serious threat to Mayweather given his size, power and youth but once the bell rang the gulf in class and know-how became evident. Groves is the pretender to the crown but has never fought near the level of Froch who has been there and done it numerous times, home and abroad, win or lose. No-one is unbeatable and anyone can be KO’d but at this point in time Froch and Groves are on different levels. I think Groves will start brightly but Froch will figure him out and begin to time him. As the fights goes along I expect to see Groves retreat into survival mode. Froch by KO in second half of the fight or wide UD.Posted November 20, 2013 6:01 am
I see the authors points and I believe Groves will be ahead after six rounds. I just think eventually he will get KO’d. Two fights stand out for me. The James DeGale fight. By round 11 Groves was gassed. He badly needed the belll at the end of 12. Then the Kenny Anderson fight. He Anderson caught him at the start of the round and not the end Groves would have been KO’d. Just look at the way his head rolled back. Groves has a chin like Amir Khan. It hasn’t been tested because of the level of opposition not because Groves is outstanding.
Now look at Froch. Outboxed completely by Taylor and Ward. What’s incredible about this is the guy kept coming. Honestly the dude is a real life Rocky. No man should be able take punches for 12 rounds and keep coming like its the first. He wore Taylor down and Ko’d him in 12. Goerige groves aint no Jermain Taylor. Ok JT had started to fade but he was still a fav going into the Froch fight. The only losses were to a in-peak Kelly Pavlik.
The Ward fight is even more telling. Ward IMO gave Froch a boxing lesson. I had it 118-110. However besides the Darnell Boone flash knock down the ONLY time I have seen Ward uncomfortable in a ring is Round 12 of that fight. He kept looking at the clock. Ward beat this guy mentally and physically in everyway yet he kept coming. It’s the one reason Ward will NEVER go to the UK.
Ok a long post to make my point. Groves will not be able to kept Froch off him for 12 rounds. Not with the pace Froch will set. At some stage he will get tagged and when this happens he is going down. I think Froch already knows what I am saying so he will amke sure Groves is worked hard until the mid rounds. By then if Groves takes a shot he will be drop like lead.
Another factor to mention is cuts. Look at Groves face after the DeGale fight. it was a mess and he was maybe 2 rounds away from the fight being stop on cuts. One way or another Grooves is getting KO’d. Froch going to bring him to a place he has never been. I think there will be a lot of ginger slagging from Groves backers at the end of this fightPosted November 20, 2013 6:00 am
With all due respect to Groves, I have to go with Froch on this fight. Both are great finishers, both can hurt each other, both have tons of heart, Groves more so, but the factor I take into consideration on this fight is that Carl Froch is one tough hombre. He has sat on his butt before, e.g., the Taylor fight, but he came back to win in a spectacular fashion. Maybe it was partly Taylor’s fault in that he is not a good finisher and also all the problems regarding his stamina, which is another matter altogether.
Clearly, Carl Froch can hurt Groves, so now the question is, can Groves hurt Froch? It would take a lot to hurt Froch, so does Groves have what it takes to really, really hurt Carl Froch?Posted November 20, 2013 2:41 am
Wrong, Froch has been buzzed before. Dirrell hurt him. Kessler, Ward and Johnson got his attention. Kessler & Johnson were faded and Ward isn’t a big hitter. Groves can really punch and he is deceivingly fast. And he is young and fresh. He can certainly hurt and drop Froch in this fight. In spite of the perception that Froch has seen all this iron, I think Groves will be a problem that he has not seen yet. Groves by KO.Posted November 19, 2013 10:56 pm
The Taylor knockdown is the only knockdown Froch has experienced in his whole career – both amateur and professional. Froch was not hurt from it and do remember that he came back to win that fight by a technical knockout in what was his first defence of his WBC title (which was also his first fight abroad I think – take note Ward!)
Personally, as much as I hope this fight will be interesting, I think it may be a bit of a bore fest. Froch is a counter-puncher as is Groves and I seriously doubt Froch will be so unprofessional as to try and take Groves’s head off from the first bell, nor do I think Groves’s gameplan is to trade with Froch. It’ll probably be pretty cagey until Groves makes a mistake and gets caught and then destroyed by a MUCH better fighter and boxer in Carl Froch.Posted November 19, 2013 9:02 pm
I should add that I know I’m in a minority on the first Kessler fight and that Dirrell wasted plenty of rounds but……. Watch those flaming fights again!Posted November 19, 2013 8:54 pm
Groves has a point: his style is nasty for Froch. I think Froch’s statistical record is fair, I just can’t believe that anyone would give him the Dirrell fight or give Kessler their first bout. Groves isn’t as slick as a Dirrell or as well-rounded as Ward, but this is a bout where, I think, Froch wins by late stoppage or a close decision – and gets virtually no credit.
Ginger gimp aint gotta chancePosted November 19, 2013 8:08 pm
I don’t think I’m wrong non saying that the jermaine Taylor knock down is his only one? Kessler hits harder than Taylor and couldn’t knock Carl over let alone out. I don’t think Groves has anything to concern FrochPosted November 19, 2013 7:53 pm
Dan, Froch was dropped by Jermaine Taylor.
Groves has more power than Taylor. He’s also a more accurate puncher. I think this writer’s analysis is spot on. I see Groves winning this and possibly by stoppage.Posted November 19, 2013 7:36 pm
Groves so out of character, i dont know why he is playing this game….to sell tickets? to get in froch’s head? whatever the reason I think its doing him no good. if he loses i think hes finishedPosted November 19, 2013 7:33 pm
Not a bad article until the end. This author knows nothing about boxing or is just saying ridiculous comments to spark controversy. Groves has done nothing to suggest he can knock out Froch. More importantly I don’t think there is a SMW who can knock Froch out. 33 tried, 33 failed. Froch has one of the hardest chins in SMW history.Posted November 19, 2013 7:29 pm
St Vitus Dance
Fight Aficianado, mate, Groves was decked and hurt by Kenny Anderson, hurt by Degale, and hurt by Paul Smith, he is known to be a bit chinny. I think he races to an early lead but he has never fought a hard hitting pressure fighter like Froch, I think Froch comes from behind to stop a tired Groves in a great fight, may the best man winPosted November 19, 2013 7:21 pm
Odds are 7/2Posted November 19, 2013 7:20 pm
I don’t really know groves but froch is a tough dude to beatPosted November 19, 2013 7:14 pm
I don’t write Groves off at all. He’s a slick boxer and is faster than Froch. I’ve not seen any red flags with his chin. So he could end up out boxing Froch. Don’t know what the odds are, anyone have the official line?Posted November 19, 2013 6:51 pm
Groves is about to get his a$$ kicked to last week.Posted November 19, 2013 6:45 pm
This writer is spot on with his assessment and will be proven right on Saturday night, wide decision or late stoppage !!Posted November 19, 2013 6:43 pm
Man what is it with these guys from Europe ? Did I hear him say he don’t need anyone in his corner come fight night? Lol this guy is fighting Carl Frocsh lol wow. I have never seen Groves fight but I know he’s getting knocked out.Posted November 19, 2013 6:19 pm
Froch is going to smack the last few hairs off of Groves’ balding head. This could be worse than the Bute fight.Posted November 19, 2013 6:09 pm
Ignore this article. Anyone who knows a thing about British boxing knows that Froch will connect at some point and wipe Groves out. Very easy money for those in the know. I’d like to see the author of this nonsense article put his money where his mouth is, which he obviously will not do.Posted November 19, 2013 6:05 pm
Confidence or not, he is getting it come Saturday.Posted November 19, 2013 6:03 pm