Maracho I like your joke. Ward is a choke and comparing him to Roy Jones Jr after that Rodriguez fight, you must had splashed down too much 151. Try to be sober when you talk about boxing.Posted November 20, 2013 3:44 pm
I mean I doubt if any of Wards opponents so far could have beaten a prime James ToneyPosted November 20, 2013 3:24 pm
At 27 fights Roy Jones had two standout fights in James Toney and Bernard Hopkins. Ward totally dominated Froch and Dawson both of who would probably always beat a Bernard Hopkins but I if they could have beaten a prime Toney. Heck even Bernard continually ducked Toney and even Roy Jones refused to rematch him.
Anyway, at this stage in his career, Ward is close to where Roy Jones was at his 27th fight but he have to fight a lot more god fights to match his overall legacy.Posted November 20, 2013 3:22 pm
OK ok Ward is ok but do you guys really need a hero that bad. Ward has not beat anybody with a pulse. We will take into consideration that Froch and Kessler were ok fighters but they were nowhere near marquee and I dought the hall of fame will be calling their name anytime soon,. Ward is sloppy and fouls like he dont know what he is doing half the time. Somebody mentioned that Ward has no power, will thats true. This guy cant knock out my grandma and she parished 31 years ago. Ward does not have one fight worth anyone throwing on a dvd and putting it away to watch 15 years from now. Ward #2 on the P4P list, laughable I dont put him on the top 20.Posted November 20, 2013 3:19 am
PAC THE MAN
T- DUMBO AND I MEAN DUMB-BO> ROY JONES JR IS A HITORY MAKER, WBA HEAVY WT CHAMP AND WAS GOD AT 168. HE WAS KING FOR 13 YEARS. WARD IS A FROG NEXT TO THAT KING MY FRIEND. WARD SHOULD NOT BE NOWHERE NEAR THE P4P CROWN, HE IS A CREAM PIE NEXT TO THE STEAK. WARD W’S ARE WORTH THE CHEWED GUM ON MY SHOEPosted November 20, 2013 2:54 am
Tim Jackson, 2
T Tumbo– wow bro that is the craziest comment on the planet , you actually comparing sorry ward to the great Roy Jones Jr…. what a joke , listen what ever your on, I want some.Posted November 20, 2013 2:47 am
You guys should check out the Ronnie Shield’s interview on the latest edition of Tha PUGILIST KOrner. Man Ward and his handlers are some seriously shady SOBs. It seems Ward has to try and wrangle every single possible advantage in his favour, be it fair or foul.
It was interesting hearing inside info on the problems had getting down to the weight. They tried everything to get him to try and shed those last few pounds but it got to the point where he was seriously risking his health trying to do so. There was literally no water left to sweat out, had he tried to shift anymore it would’ve come from his rain. Check it out guys it’s well worth a listen.Posted November 19, 2013 11:29 pm
Tark, Kovalev cant whip old man Bhop. you heard it hear firstPosted November 19, 2013 9:09 pm
te tumbo has the beatPosted November 19, 2013 9:05 pm
Your right, Floyd fights at 154 on occasions where he can Cherrypick for the sheople but that is racketeering and its illegal, but then the boxing government is a miscrocosm of the US government. Btw, Boxing is the only federally mandated sportPosted November 19, 2013 8:38 pm
Ward has already surpassed Roy Jr. at the same point of their respective careers. when the Super Six line-up was announced, few confidently picked Ward to prevail in that contest. Undefeated, no less. everyone was hyping the likes of Froch, Kessler, and Abraham. ALL of whom were easily handled and manhandled by Ward resulting in no true threat for Ward at 168lbs. he’s faced and defeated ALL of it. you must’ve been in a cave for the past four years to miss all of these news flashes. Ward is #1 P4P Heir Apparent unless Mayweather sticks around too long. in which case, Ward may already be the #1 P4P fighter in the sport . . . Recognize the S.O.G.Posted November 19, 2013 7:36 pm
Tark, who would ward beat on there best days& @- Who do you think is better than regarding the marquee fighers such as a Young Roy Jones Jr or JOe Calzage. At this point, Ward is never going to be that level.Posted November 19, 2013 6:07 pm
Tark I did read that but your right,, Ward is no Jermain Taylor because taylor took on the top dog. Ward is going to bore us with these worthless match ups all the way up to the moment that you will have too sooner or later fight a dangerous boxer like Adonis and tak a risk with a old champ like Brnard Hopkins. Ward is far from that at this point and is satisfied with being at the top of a very very weak talent 168 line up. Not sure what you mean by mayweather being the new Meldrick taylor.Posted November 19, 2013 6:03 pm
QQ says…, “Ward is the new Jermain Taylor.” GTFOOH
… and I guess you’d say Floyd Mayweather is the new Meldrick Taylor.Posted November 19, 2013 4:41 pm
Don’t put words in my mouth B Red… Kovalev is the best LHW at the present time … not “the greatest” or the GOAT.Posted November 19, 2013 4:23 pm
The haters say that Ward is a cheater, he’s not good, he should fight Kovalev and he’s scared. I have a question is this just because he beat the snot out of Froch and Kesseller.Posted November 19, 2013 3:12 pm
What is trying to be explained to you is Mayweather never fights at the 154 limit, he,s always below. It was 148 for De La Hoya, 150 for Cotto and 150 for Alveraz. He fight very close to his walk around weight, unlike many boxers today. He’s better suited for 147, but on occasions move up to 154 to fight. I’m curious to know what Golovkin weights during fight and his walk around weight.Posted November 19, 2013 3:02 pm
Kovalev has not beaten a great fighter and Tark thinks hes the greatestPosted November 19, 2013 3:00 pm
Last post at Big TopPosted November 19, 2013 2:57 pm
The truth is… Ward would beat all those guys on the best day they ever saw.Posted November 19, 2013 2:56 pm
You guys were laying into Edwin Rodriguez for failing to make the weight for the Andre Ward fight just the other day. What’s worse?
A big super-middleweight who likely walks around at 190, or maybe even more, not being able to make weight for a fight at 168 against a super-middleweight
or a small welterweight who regularly weighs in between ”147 to 150, maybe a pound or two more on rare occasion, for a fight against a blown up super-featherweight who was jumping up 2 divisions after only having competed twice at lightweight?
Rodriguez looked like he’d just walked out of concentration camp on the scales at 170. He still looked drained on them the next morning when he weighed 180. How many lbs did small welterweight Mayweather have to cut again for little itty-bitty Marquez?Posted November 19, 2013 2:51 pm
Hey——— i will tell you one thing Mayweather and Ward do have in common and thats running. Adonis called out Ward to the mat and Ward all of a sudden cant hear. Ward wants to lemmon collect to keep winning and the problem is Ward cant even handle the lemmons right, instead of knocking out bums like Rodriguez, we have to suffer watching him ballroom dance with these guys because he has no power. Ward will never be anything near;; Joe, Roy, hop or Toney.Posted November 19, 2013 2:46 pm
Give me a break when you compare Mayweather to Ward. Ward is nowhere near the talent of Mayweather. The organizations needed to make some new name to work their magic as they failed with jermain Taylor, Remember they robbed B-hop hoping Taylor was that new star and bust… Now Ward is the new Jermain Taylor but the difference is Taylor at least fought one of the best , in that of B-Hop. Who the heck has Ward fought. Ward needs to find a higher gear and needs to start putting guys in shock, but ward needs to learn out to hit.Posted November 19, 2013 2:40 pm
The big difference between Mayweather fighting catchweight fights and the others you mention is, Mayweather said he would never do catch-weight fights. He said they’re are bogus. Fighting your opponent at a catchweight and/or having a next day rehydration clause weakens them, and therefore any victory over them is greatly tainted and devalued.
”I have never fought a guy at a catchweight, Mayweather said recently. I don’t fight guys at catchweights. These are things I don’t do because I am not that type of guy.”
But he fought Saul Alvarez at one, and he tried to get him to agree to a next day rehydration clause, which Alvarez rejected.
“They came up with a second-day weigh-in. They wanted to do a second-day weigh-in and limit what I could weigh the second day, and I wouldn’t agree to that. And then they tried to force me to stay quiet and to not mention it, and that’s why we didn’t say anything. And we haven’t said anything until now,” Canelo said.
Mayweather would never fight a guy at a catchweight and doesn’t like rehydration clauses because it weakens and drains fighters.
What does that make him???
Floyd said Pacquiao’s wins at catchweights don’t count because he drained his opponents, so does that mean Mayweather’s win against Alvarez doesn’t count either?Posted November 19, 2013 2:38 pm
Ward fans , ward needs help. Wards awful brawling tactics and monday night MMA moves are just wreck. Like everyone on this site whom see straight said that Ward if he was all that should had the bum outta there inside 5 rounds. Ward is not that talent and far from marque. Ward does not have any power and when he gets in trouble or cant get the guy otta there, we have to watch the holding, the running and the head dives. Ward is a mess to watchPosted November 19, 2013 2:35 pm
SREDMOND are you trying to tell me Prescott and Alvarado are bigger than Mayweather?Posted November 19, 2013 2:21 pm
I recognize weight drained fighters when I see them. It’s not something that happens in a few isolated cases. It happens a lot in boxing because making weight is a fact of life in boxing … and it’s easy to screw it up.
The symptoms start with a wane look on a boxer’s face, a lack of energy and vibrancy at the weigh-in. He tries to fake it with “personality” but he doesn’t look 100% healthy and ready to rumble. It’s a slightly wasted look. It’s not something he will get back in 30 hours of rest and rehydration. The human body is more delicate and intricate than most people appreciate. You abuse your body enough—it’s eventually going to come back at you in spades.
Boxers don’t always lose when they show up weight drained—but their reflexes, timing, endurance, and instinctive reactions are off to a certain degree—according to the severity of their condition. If it’s a bad case, against a good fighter, that means they’re in for a good beating.
There are literally 100’s of examples… Classic examples are Dawson vs Ward… Leonard vs Norris… De La Hoya vs Pacquiao… Chambers vs Mchunu… Chris Byrd vs Shaun George… Ray Robinson vs Ralph Jones… Roy Jones vs Antonio Tarver I… Antonio Tarver vs Bernard Hopkins… Ricky Hatton vs Manny Pacquiao… Canelo Alvarez vs Floyd Mayweather.
In most all of these cases the weight drained fighter would have lost anyway. In a couple cases they got beaten by somebody they might not have lost to if they were perfectly fit.
It’s smarter to pay the fine than lose the fight—and that’s what Mikey Garcia and Floyd Mayweather did … How badly do you want to win???? That’s the question.Posted November 19, 2013 2:12 pm
Canelo fought heavier against Trout than Golovkin did against Macklin.Posted November 19, 2013 2:06 pm
HimbuyIselle, Floyd started fighting at 154 in 2007. Its now almost 2014 and his last fight was also at 154, which makes about seven years. Its insane for you to keep saying that Floyd is still two weight divisions south of 154. In that case why doesnt Floyd just go down and fight someone good at 140.Posted November 19, 2013 2:05 pm
Maracho, you cannot substantiate ANYTHING you are saying it’s a FACT that Canelo has fought as low as 147, he fights currently at 154 and hit the scale at 153.5 against Trout before he bulked up..Alvarez is YOUNG 24 years old whereas GGG is a mature man in his early 30’s who has NEVER fought under MW as a pro that said how do you suppose the idea “Canelos bigger” and if so when are we gonna see Golovkin campaigning at 154??? Our contention is that Mayweather is CLEARLY smaller than Canelo who outweighed him by 15 the night of the bout and certainly GGG who weighs in at least 10 pounds over Floyd’s rehydration weight…. You have a thesis but NOT a single fact absent repetition to support it…. HAHAHAHAHAHA!Posted November 19, 2013 2:02 pm
Two piece, unlike Floyd, Ward has totally cleaned out a division. Its insane to not want him to move on and clean up the nextPosted November 19, 2013 1:57 pm
Typical Floydashian fanaticism trying to compare Floyd to the much greater and tested Andre yet they feel GGG who fights smaller than Canelo deserves Ward but not Floyd.Posted November 19, 2013 1:37 pm
No one can intelligently question Ward looking to fatten his bank account after the gauntlet he faced… We have Golovkin trying to get on PPV off the backs of Stevens, Macklin and Ishida….Posted November 19, 2013 1:19 pm
I agree 100 %, Ward has put in the work to get his name out there some now he needs a marque name to get him over the hump. With a Marque name then he could fight GGG and pull decent numbers. All you have to do is look at how long it took for Mayweather to get here, look at how long it took for Pacquioa. It’s not going to happen in a few short years there’s lots of work these guy have to do. If they really want to make big money they both build a following then come and fight each other.Posted November 19, 2013 12:15 pm
Urone, these fools think they can make GGG a bankable PPV fighter posting in this website he has NO target fanbase ie “Mexicans” and he’s an UNKNOWN outside of hardcore fans.. He would BOMB doing a solo PPV, the man cannot draw…Posted November 19, 2013 12:03 pm
Floyd has one catchweight fight and now all of his fight will be catchweights. You are confusing Floyd with Pacquioa, Pacquioa fought more catch weight fights than anyone else. If you dislike Floyd fine its understandable, but to say he will fight a catchweight fight because he fought one in 17 years is obsurd. I know you want to belittle Floyds accomplishments, but using the catchweight just belittles your own arguement.Posted November 19, 2013 12:01 pm
Hitman, Mayweather STILL faced Marquez below the WW limit he hit the scale at 146 and paid the two pound penalty… Ortiz was 164 the night he faced Mayweather who is typically around 149 30 days out according to reports… Bredis Prescott and Alvarado both tipped the scales at around 157 for a 140 pound bout… FACT is that Floyd’s a small WW and his coming down for Marquez is an accommodation on his part… Sugar Ray Leonard just made Duran come to 147, maybe Floyd should have just done that with JMM… The whimpering is WEAK these guys just cannot overcome those fast hands and the ridiculous Ring IQ…Posted November 19, 2013 12:00 pm
Why do people think GGG would sell PPV, out side of the boxing world who knows him. He has to make a name for himself and stop try to take a short cut to the top by calling out big names. Ward is building his name, he has cleaned out 168 division, now we have to what Ward decided to do to continue on his career sucess or failure. At this point I don’t think that GGG has anymore selling power than anyone else other than Ward fighting Hopkins. Ward/Hopkins would be the only well known name that could possibly get Ward more notiriety outside of the normal boxing fans. If Ward can beat Hopkins then proceed to clean out the LT heavy weight division Then guys should start calling him out because it will be really worth a big fight.
GGG needs to mop up the middle weight division then think move up or if there are better fight at 154 or 168 make the move and do either 154 or 168. GGG needs to stop trying to make his career off calling guys out that are not in his weight class until he is ready to campain there.Posted November 19, 2013 11:54 am
I’ve never fought a guy at a catchweight,’’ Mayweather said recently. “I don’t fight guys at catchweights. These are things I don’t do because I’m not that type of guy.”
–Floyd MayweatherPosted November 19, 2013 11:43 am
”Mayweather is a small welterweight” whose ”fighting weight is between 146 and 150” but he couldn’t make a catch-weight of 144 for little itty-bitty blown up super featherweight Marquez who was jumping up 2 divisions after only having fought at the one he was residing in before that twice.
“De La Hoya – Pacquiao fights him at a catch-weight. Cotto – he fights him at a catchweight. When I fought De La Hoya, I said ‘give him to me at 154.’ With Cotto – ‘give him to me at 154.’ Give me the guys where they are comfortable at their weight so there are no excuses.
“I look at Miguel Cotto as an undefeated fighter because he faced Pacquiao, but Pacquiao caught him at a catch weight. He wasn’t the best Miguel Cotto. He was drained. He wasn’t hydrated”
–Floyd MayweatherPosted November 19, 2013 11:38 am
PFS you have a lot of complaints about the soon to be 37 year old Mayweathers opponents but you don’t propose a realistic foe for him in a relevant weight class…?? Pacquiao is with TR so we know that’s damn near impossible so who do you wanna see him fight? You cannot say GGG because that would force Golovkin to drop a min of 7 pounds and you’re against that sort of thing you apparently state…So who’s the guy to beat this terrible fighter??
PFS how many “Catchweight Fights” did Floyd fight? 2? And one of them was to accomodate Marquez coming up in weight…
PTS, Ward might never be a PPV star and that’s just the reality of the business, when you look around there are only 4 or so consistently bankable guys on the whole sport if Ward is part of a telecast that does 350k buys that means there is 21mill plus in PPV revenue alone to divide up between the various entities…At the end of the day leaving $$$$ on the table is usually a bad thing, Chavez Jr did 500k buys with Martinez naturally Wards gonna explore that market..Posted November 19, 2013 11:03 am
Anyone know whether Floyd’s next opponent will be some overblown WW or if he’s doing another catchweight fight? Floyd is stuck between a rock and hard place. There are just no credible opponents currently in the 147 division regardless of any titles. Titles do not make a champion….. fighting challenging opponents does. As good as Garcia may be, he still needs more experience. He’s not exactly the Billy bad ass of the division, neither is Matthysee nor Broner and especially not KHAN. Bradley is decent but not remarkable given his last two fights but having said that, he is perhaps, aside from Pacquiao, the next best opponent for Floyd. But since Floyd believes the world revolves around him, his next opponent, regardless of division, will be another weak opponent and another catchweight fight. All this he will do with the expectation fans will shell out $70 for his side show. One thins is certain, Floyd is the only fighter in recent history who has fought so many catchweight fights and weak opposition that he is still labeled by some twisted thinking commentators as a “P4P” fighters. Quite ridiculous.Posted November 19, 2013 10:13 am
There’s much more involved than just putting a ppv together which is the easy part. The perception part of it matters to a large degree. JMM and Bradley who are commonly known could not break 350K. What’s to make the powers that be believe any opponent vs Ward would do better? Not just that, a flopping ppv event would add to Wards stagnant position possibly transforming him into the Hopkins pre-2004 who no one card to see much less on ppv. Ward / GGG on ppv could possibly sell very big but not against the likes of Dawson, Froch, etc.Posted November 19, 2013 9:55 am
Wards looking to cash in on his hard work and possibly bag a PPV fight which is logical… He cleaned his division out and has backed away from no one, now he wants to make some PPV revenue which he can hardly be blamed for… We have a boxer with WEAK resume who hasPosted November 19, 2013 9:45 am
Wards looking to cash in on his hard work and possibly bag a PPV fight which is logical… He cleaned his division out and has backed away from no one, now he wants to make some PPV revenue which he can hardly be blamed for… We have a boxer with WEAK resume who has NOT cleaned out anything except the dregs of his division for the most part (GGG) wanting to do the same thing while trying to fool us that he’s a 154 pounder when the truth is he’s a 160 pounder chasing a 147 pounder… If Ward bashes Chavez Jr for a nice check then so be it this is boxing…Posted November 19, 2013 9:45 am
After watching how sharp Ward looked after a layoff from surgery these cowardly knaves who were bleating about GGG stopping him LOL..Are changing their tune, Golovkins shark bait for Andre Ward, his SLOW hands, plodding Euro style and single dimension make him an EASY night for the stronger Ward… Golovkins fights with 154 pounders coming up, and failed 175 pounders like Stevens would give him 00000 insight into the Andre Ward puzzle…. No they know GGG ain’t uo for the game the mans still seeking some noteworthy wins at 160, Wards WAYYYY to much for him…Posted November 19, 2013 8:11 am
Tark, I have proof that you are full of it, below you say that you think Floyd’s the GOAT and that he was gonna defeat Canelo hmmmmmmm if that’s the case then WHY did you blame Canelos loss on “making weight” ?????? If you thought Floyd was the GOAT and better fighter then why would you be surprised when he prevailed and attribute his success to Canelo having to “make weight” like he did 42 other times prior??? See you are FULL of it, your tune changed when FMJ took that kid to “Escuela” you DOG..!Posted November 19, 2013 7:28 am
Tark, is trying to sell us that he is a boxing insider and expert BUT he loves to peddle excuses… Between Dawson,Rodriguez and Canelo they had EXACTLY ONE loss between them in over 100 collective bouts!!! They had “made weight” in all these contests, trained and sparred…..What was different? The one variable we DONT have to speculate about was the Undefeated records and standing of their opponents (Mayweather and Ward)…. None of these fighters had faced 2 guys on this level, Dawson faced an OLD Bhop but NOT a young Ward who does NOT have to fight in spurts…Tarks excuses are a BLIGHT in the sport and one of the most overused explanations running… I don’t wanna hear about cramps, or any of that other crap every fighters gonna deal with something during his career, injuries, depression, stress and fatigue… The fighters worth remenbering, find a way to win and are considered special..Posted November 19, 2013 7:13 am
Maracho, if GGG is so tiny then let him move down and start booking some wins at 154, enough talk about this 160 pounder who can fight at 154 and 168 yet NEVER does it…Besides your mouth how do you PROVEN that GGG walks around smaller than Canelo? And don’t make me laugh saying “his trainer said so”….Again you are just running off because you wanna find a way to get FMJ fighting at 160 but reality is Mays next scrap will be at 147 where he belongs… Sorry to deliver the Bad news… Mayweather has fought at 154 3x in 17 years and it was 5 years or so between that first time he faced Oscar and he has NEVER hit the 154 pound limit even after rehydrating, meanwhile GGG has been at 160 his whole career…Posted November 19, 2013 7:04 am
Maracho – it was GGG’s team that said they would take on any champions 154lbs – 168lbs infact went as far as claiming that they were all ducking him. THE COBRA has called him out and now so has SOG, no reply from GGG just excuses from the same nutthuggers who were pushing for GGG vs MAY now want Ward to move up and fight Adonis & Kovalev.Posted November 19, 2013 7:04 am
Tark is the CLASSIC apologist basically he’s saying that it’s impossible for a fighter to drop weight and win MEANWHILE that’s what 99% of the sport is doing in order to compete in modern boxing… They are coming in at an artificially low body weight seeking and advantage the night of the contest… They do this OVER and OVER but should they lose it suddenly becomes an excuse that Tark gives a “get out of jail free card” for… In his mind Canelo, Rodriguez and Dawson all would have won had they not had to live up to their contracted obligations…. Is this serious analysis? HELL NO these are prefab excuses to give PRIME age boxers a pass because they loss and detract from the winners performance… Boxing used to be a MANS sport now it’s fans are often little WENCHES who cannot accept a fighter losing (Tark/Bears/Hecdog) and have to vacate reality and start telling stories… Tark is BEYOND ridiculous we have seen him change stances in Canelo and then try to push for Lewis getting DQed 10 years after the fight based on a YouTube video that Bears of all people dug up LMAO…!!!! The mans inability to accept failure is legendary and in his mind he’s “a Great trainer” when the truth is that he’s nuts a NUTCASE PEDDLING his nonsense on the web…Posted November 19, 2013 6:57 am
Typical propagandist denial that GGG is smaller than Canelo and that Floyd started fighting at 154 seven years ago, has three of its belts, and claims he is the best at that weight.Posted November 19, 2013 5:31 am
What’s wrong with Ward fighting Chavez a guy bigger than him? One guy that has earned a gimmie fight is Ward. Andre cleaned out a division then called out Dawson and KO’ed him. Chavez can fight smaller men all his career and be indecisive when it comes to weight. Arum cash out on that bum. Actually put him against Adonis, guaranteed retirement for the pot head.Posted November 19, 2013 5:10 am
Maracho you moron 154lbs is not Floyd’s weight division. He had to fight Canelo to please you dummies since your lot hyped Alvarez up after beating Trout. Now you are moving the goalposts for Floyd. Let GGG fight at 154lbs and only then we can say Floyd is ducking him. Until such time shut your trap. You can’t duck someone who isn’t your division it’s that simple. This is equivalent of saying GGG is ducking Ward they are not in the same division. Mayweather is so great you have to find a full-fledged MW in your little minds hoping he beats a Welter, you guys are desperate. Damn.Posted November 19, 2013 4:56 am
Tark, Team GGG says they can make 154 with little problem. Are you calling them liars too?
Anyway, Martinez says he’s probably going up to super middleweight too fight for Rubio’s title so there isnt anyone left at middleweight for GGG there except Murray and possibly Pirog if his spine injury ever fully heals.Posted November 19, 2013 4:15 am
Tark. Fair enough with the Ali thing. You think Triple G is so great , and he only beat club fighters, gtfoPosted November 19, 2013 4:02 am
No I haven’t been hating on Ali… I’m just saying Ali had no body attack and wasn’t a great defender.. Floyd is better at both those things and has never been beaten — so he a better candidate for GOAT than Ali — who got beaten by neophyte Leon Stinks when he was 36 — for his 3rd defeat no less…
Ali never went 45-0 — and he lost to smaller guys who were very hittable.
That’s not hate.. That’s the truth.. I’m a big fan of Ali’s but he’s not the GOATPosted November 19, 2013 3:58 am
Maracho, Tark is a prick whos stupidPosted November 19, 2013 3:55 am
Tark why you keep judging battle worn legends by their last fights?
Leonard fought very well against Hearns after moving down from the Lalonde fight. Likewise, Oscar fought very well against Mayorga and Mayweather after moving down from midleweight. Same with Mosley, Hopkins, Vasquez, Judah, etc… etc..Posted November 19, 2013 3:54 am
Im not Sredmond you stupid Prick mofo, whos been hating on Ali for yearsPosted November 19, 2013 3:49 am
Tark, Im not Sredmond stupid, your boxing acumen is C level, who has an affinity for unproven fighters on a high levelPosted November 19, 2013 3:18 am
GGG is not going to “clean up” 154.. He’d be making one HELL of a mistake by fighting at 154.. When you go down in weight, you not only lose strength but lose speed…
Ask Oscar De La Hoya… Eddie Chambers… Sugar Ray Leonard… Emile Griffith… and Chris Byrd… Going down in weight is usually a disaster… You’re even better off fighting a bigger guy than going down in weight.
Golovkin will do well to knock Martinez and Quillin stiff — and then challenge Ward if he’s still at 168.. One step at a time.. All this crap about Mayweather is stupid — not going to happen.. All this crap about Ward is almost equally as dumb — GGG has business to finish at 160.Posted November 19, 2013 3:09 am
Vivek…. actually Ward, Froch, Chavez, kellerman, team Mayweather, yourself, etc are all asking GGG to move up.
..but no one has asked Broner, Donair, or Mayweather to move up. They just somehow grew a lot and on their own I reckon. Heck not even GGG wants Mayweather to move up but rather he is calling Floyd out at Floyd’s weight. GGG needs to clean up 154 and 160 and not Ward on his first fight at 168 unless maybe its a catchweight.Posted November 19, 2013 2:49 am
Sredmond/B Red… You’re a damned LIAR.. I never said Canelo was a “killer” … I said he’s a counterpuncher and not a finisheer. I consistently predicted Canelo would beat Trout and lose to Mayweather, both by decision … You’re the moron who said Floyd would shred, smoke, paint, and KO Canelo. You keep clumping me with Bears who said Canelo would knock Floyd out—while I ALWAYS said Floyd would win by decision.
I always maintained Floyd is the GOAT and NEVER predicted his defeat. I also do NOT make different picks on the same fight. I may say a fight is going the distance and give my reasons … Canelo is no Ricky Hatton—like you Floydiots were making him out to be, and I explained why he wasn’t.
You and other Floydiots predicted Floyd would KO Canelo… I gave my reasons why Canelo was good enough to easily hang with Mayweather for 12 rounds… I actually didn’t know he’d be weight drained until the weigh-in—when I said he looked parched—but I still had him going 12 rounds regardless of what kind of shape he was in … I also said WAY before the fight that Canelo’s team was a collection of idiots for not getting Saul proper sparring … and that they were killing his chances.
My prediction of a Floyd decision win was WAY more accurate than yours… You also predicted Peterson would beat Matthysee… Marquez would KO Bradley… and Matthysse would KO Garcia… WRONG on all counts
You’re wrong more often than anyone I’ve ever seen … You don’t know Boxing.Posted November 19, 2013 2:41 am
Ward is the only fighter right now that can beyond a doubt be called the p4p. He got the best skilz and the faith to beat the bestPosted November 19, 2013 2:40 am
Nope! GGG is! They are all scared of him.Posted November 19, 2013 2:39 am
Stevenson has been calling Ward out, even called Ward out on national TV, but Ward refused to respond. Ward wants to fight small fighters, 147, 160, well Stevenson said he would fight Ward at 175 or come down to his weight and fight him at 168, but again, Ward refused to respond. Ward will only fight in his home town, with his personal referee, judges, boxing commission, commentators, etc. Ward will never fight outside his own turf, all other boxers have to travel. Ward was the only one who did not have to travel in the so-called tournament……….Who was Rodriguez? When Rodriguez was gaining momentum Ward’s referee stopped the action, took away points. Ward was landing low blows, headbutting, esp, the 12th round, holding, you name it. Someone reported that Ward said he could knock out both Klitschkos, wanted to fight them, but I did not hear Ward say that, however, let him fight The Klitschkos, he would get knocked out. Ward would not stand a chance. Ward is not the best, Klitschkos are……………Posted November 19, 2013 2:38 am
ha no thanks.Posted November 19, 2013 2:22 am
“Everyone on earth isn’t a boxer”-But IF they could match it they WOULD be.Posted November 19, 2013 1:51 am
Mayweather is the highest paid athlete in the world today. Some will say people watch him to see him lose, he’s in good company along with Ali. People with all of their talk can’t take away the wins, the outstanding careers of Mayweather and Ward. Both boxing styles has seen them unbeaten, their year round gym effort has shown them to be perfect in the ring. People hate them for their skin color, for ones outspoken arrogance, for beating their home town hero’s and dictating the terms in which they fight. Even if dictating the terms is one of the benefits of being on top in the boxing game. These so called fan are utterly ridiculous, using anything they can think of to discredit these fighters at the top. These are not fight fan but as I have stated before they are simply fighter fans.Posted November 19, 2013 1:05 am
“Floyd is the most dominant athlete in Sports. He’s dominating CHAMPS and Top 10 P4Pers on a consistent basis. NO one on earth can match it.”
Everyone on earth isn’t a boxer.Posted November 18, 2013 11:42 pm
Algebra, you’re pretty good at downgrading and belittling fighters. Perhaps its you who needs to watch golf, cause your anything but a boxing fan.Posted November 18, 2013 11:12 pm
SRedmond, Tark is fool most of the time and is delusionalPosted November 18, 2013 10:26 pm
Tark, I don’t mind making a wrong pick in boxing and QUICKLY give credit to the winner and make no excuses about training camps I was NOT a part of, weight loss, weight gain or depression… You on the other hand have been changing your picks on the site or making up excuses when your wrong… You had Canelo as a KILLER then when he lost your tune changed… You have made ALOT of excuses and sought to steal credit from many boxers… We are on to you!!! LOL if you are this successful trainer or bookie why are you ONLY known on ESB for being a crackpot??? Kovalev beat Ward??? HAHAHAHA !!!Posted November 18, 2013 10:14 pm
Ward has 3 good money fights at 168, Chavez Triple G and a rematch with Froch. Ward can go up in weight and whip Kovalev and AdonisPosted November 18, 2013 10:14 pm
Why is it that whenever tere is a head butt in Wards fights the opponent always comes out with the cut? The opponents are so aware of his head in close quarters that they cannot fight their fight.Posted November 18, 2013 10:07 pm
Even when Mayweather’s gone … Ward will not be the one to take his place. Mayweather paid his dues over years, running neck and neck with Pacqiuao, defeating one real foe after another. And what’s Ward got? A trophy case full of nuthin in comparison. His entire existence is built on two wins: Kessler and Froch. Every other victory is meaningless. Did Mayweather rest on his laurels after Diego Corrales? After De La Hoya? After Hatton? No. And neither should Ward. He may inherit the #1 spot by default, but Ward is closer to the rest of the pack than he is to Floyd.Posted November 18, 2013 9:59 pm
Adonis would eat ward alive.Posted November 18, 2013 9:57 pm
Opium ward is a hazzard to watch*** my gawd just awful. How ward is on the pound for pound list is beyond me. **** they tryin to pull the same crud they did with taylor over hopkins. look where taylor is now goes to show when you try to make something out of nothing. ward is no different. ward was shot to the top after that horrible super 6 mess. ward did not do a anything for the first 5 years as a pro. the dawson fight was a fix at 170 and the froch fight meant nothing.Posted November 18, 2013 9:56 pm
Tark is a nut casePosted November 18, 2013 9:48 pm
Adonis did not struggle against Donovan George. He beat the heck out of him, dropping him 5 or 6 times. And he hurt his left hand in that fight. You can see him complaining about it being really painful in his corner in between rounds.Posted November 18, 2013 9:12 pm
Boxtra- nobody entertains me more than you, this is some good stuff. and Box, Rigo skills far exceed them all. Gotta go, but nice chatting, see you next round, look forward to wards next cherry pick should be nothing less than amazing.Posted November 18, 2013 8:52 pm
Andre “punch, fall-in, clutch, butt, hit on the break, repeat” Ward – talking about “keeping the action going”! ROTFLMFAO!!!!Posted November 18, 2013 8:50 pm
Well according to your criteria fighting Stevens or Holpkis would mean nothing because both have been beaten. Stevens also struggled against Donaven George. Kessler and Froch had both only lost once, heck I’m not sure but had Froch lost at that point? I can’t remember. Kessler also was only beat by Calzaghe. No shame in thatPosted November 18, 2013 8:49 pm
This is a good post I read about his style earlier
”Pacquiao, Mayweather, Martinez etc can all shine on PURE ABILITY. Meaning they don’t need to resort to dirty and lame tactics to get thru a fight, you get what I mean? Pacquiao can shine in a fight with his offensive ability alone. Mayweather does the same with his defense, movement and accuracy. They get merit based on pure skill and ability/talent.
Ward, however, can’t. He cannot go thru a fight on pure stylistic methods alone, he needs to hug, come in with his head and all those other mediocre tactics in order to get thru a fight. That to me is not a P4P fighter.”Posted November 18, 2013 8:48 pm
Ward man handles his opponents because he’s CLEARLY pumping shed loads of steroids in his backside and because he’s insanely dirty between the ropes. He could probably beat King Kong if he had one of his referees in there to let him get away with the ridiculous amount of fouling he does.
I’ve never seen a fighter who A) Cheats that much. and B) whose allowed to get away with the amount of it he does. That is by far his greatest strength. His entire fighting style revolves around that. No neutral, fair referee would tolerate that crap. The likelihood of him getting beat would skyrocket into the cosmos if he were to have that crutch pulled out from under him.Posted November 18, 2013 8:45 pm
Well you’d better stick to horse racing. But DO know this. Even Secretariat hasn’t beaten more CHAMPS than Mayweather. WOW!!!!Posted November 18, 2013 8:42 pm
I APPLAUD Rigo on his WIN but he DID get dropped for the second time in his LIFE. That means that he has tasted the canvas MORE than Ward.Posted November 18, 2013 8:40 pm
Boxtradamus, hahahahhahhahaahahahahah dude you are a funny guy, I give congrats to Mayweather for beating Canelo who really had not beat anyone worth a nice shiney quarter. Mayweather is known , known for the runnnnnning from pacman, known for the chump punch heard around the world and the leadeer with the biggest lemmon collection on his resume known to man kind. Best Athlete, I will take secretariat over bumweather,,Posted November 18, 2013 8:40 pm
That’s why we have to take Floyd out of the conversation and talk about everyone else.Posted November 18, 2013 8:35 pm
Box0000 yep ur right, Adonis is a beaten fighter but a dangerous one. Know that we are in an era where the star in super is gone. The star right now is RIGO. RIGO waxed a guy who was P4P, fighter of the year and had not been beaten in 10 years, and RIGO DID THAT WITH LESS THAN 11 FIGHTS TO HIS NAME, NOW THATS BOXINGPosted November 18, 2013 8:34 pm
Floyd is the most dominant athlete in Sports. He’s dominating CHAMPS and Top 10 P4Pers on a consistent basis. NO one on earth can match it.Posted November 18, 2013 8:34 pm
because of his number of defenses are low compared to Floyd,however he is more dominant than is Floyd.Posted November 18, 2013 8:29 pm
Yup. That’s what Dawson thought. SO he came down to 168 and Ward turned him into a bum TOO.Posted November 18, 2013 8:26 pm
Boxtradamus- the prince of boxing—hahahahahahahahahhahahahahaahhahahahahahaahh now thats funny. More like king of the bums at 168,Posted November 18, 2013 8:23 pm
Adonis makes MY honorable mention list but Ward is on another level. Forgot how to LOSE at 12 yrs old. Ward is the PRINCE of Boxing. The heir to the P4P THRONE.Posted November 18, 2013 8:21 pm
Cherry pick or not Chavez jr will be a good payday. Ward would be a fool to pass that up, and Arums ready for the cash out… Like I said early they should call Ward the nullifier, cause he would nullify Adonis’ power, I don’t doubt that at all.Posted November 18, 2013 8:14 pm
Boxtrdamus……………. Bute? Froch? Bute nor Froch are worth a 3 dollar ticket to watch. Adonis? Ward isnt going to fight Adonis, to strong and way too much of a risk for cupcake Ward. Ward needs to stay where he is. Ward’s place is entertaining dudes like you taking on fighters who #1 have already been beaten by someone else or cherry picks like Mr Rodriguez who doesnt have a heartbeat.Posted November 18, 2013 8:02 pm
Adonis has already been BEATEN. Please name someone who hasn’t already been beaten. We all know that after Ward defeats Stevenson crybabies will SAY that Ward picked on a beaten Fighter…..Ward is no JOKE. He’ll beat you whether you’ve been beaten or NOT. Rodriguez agrees with ME on that.Posted November 18, 2013 7:59 pm
First it was Bute, then it was Froch, and now its Adonis. After him it will be Kovalev or GGG. After those it will be someone else. But throughout all of the change Ward will remain at the TOP. Just as I predicted long AGO.Posted November 18, 2013 7:54 pm
Tomatoe Can, Im sure Ward likes your fan friendship but lets step up to the facts, Ward wont touch Adonis at 175 way way to much risk. Ward better to stay at the cupscout level of 168 and leave the eagle scuts at 175 alonePosted November 18, 2013 7:22 pm
Tomatoe Can. Chavez? thats a cherry pick. Chavez is a horrible fighter and anyone who knows boxing knows Chavz Jr is a lemmon. Also, Adonis would be the fight after exterminating Dawson in one round something Ward couldnt do to save his life. Adonis would cruch ping pong inside 6 roundsPosted November 18, 2013 7:20 pm
“Sorry Hidalgo, you ADDRESSED my comment ”
My mistake, SRedmond. I misread Demon’s comment.Posted November 18, 2013 7:17 pm
If Ward wants to fight at 175, then by all means he should. Stevenson would have a punchers chance. But the reality is, Arum’s going to try and cash out on Chavez with a Ward fight, and Ward would be a fool to pass that up.Posted November 18, 2013 7:14 pm
Tark. I f Ward’s people really thought that Adonis is a easy fight, then why dont they make the fight? the money is huge vs Adonis- do you want to know why,,,, FEARPosted November 18, 2013 7:13 pm
Ray Leonard would have steered clear of Ward, just like he steered clear of Nunn, and McCallumn.Posted November 18, 2013 7:12 pm
Tomatoe Can, I think your getting way ahead of yourself. Ward will never be Ray or anyone of that supeman era. Yes, Dirrel is the fight but on fair ground, NO oakland arena BSPosted November 18, 2013 7:09 pm
Ward easily beats Stevenson…
That fight is not even a matchup… Kovalev is the only immediate matchup for Ward that would be competitive — because GGG has items to take care of at 160 before challenging for 168… It is better to be unified champ if you’re going to challenge a unified Champ at a higher weight.
GGG-Martinez or GGG-Quillin would pull views like crazy. NO reason for GGG to go 168 at this time because he has great fights at 160.
There IS a good reason for Ward to go 175… He’s cleaned out 168.Posted November 18, 2013 7:08 pm
Ward may be lucky, but that’s something none of us can prove. Like all good boxers Wards day will come, but right now he’s the guy to beat at 168… Stay tuned for Dirrell/Bika 12/7/13. If Dirrell wins impressivly he’ll be a great fight for Ward.Posted November 18, 2013 7:04 pm
Ward was supposed to be exposed in the 168 pound tournament. Instead, he flourished. He’s not spectacular, but he’s a problem to solve at 168. Heck does anyone here think if Ray Leonard would have had a Ward caliber fighter to fight 1t 168 instead of Donny Lelonde, that he would even take that fight… No Way…Posted November 18, 2013 7:01 pm
Tomatoe Can. I think a good name for ward, is lucky. He was lucky to come at a time where there is no talent at he weight class. Ward is a B fighter beating C fighters. Which makes him champ. I do give credit to the business sense of Ward’s people, keep him winning and protect the money making thats smart, same lines and runningweather. Ward will run from guys like Adonis and B-Hop because its way to soon to get back to back loses.Posted November 18, 2013 7:01 pm
Sracemond erroneously picked Matthysse to KO Garcia… Peterson to beat Matthysse… and Marquez to KO Bradley… He’s the worst analyst in Boxing History and knows 0 about the sport — but is an even bigger LIAR and RACIST!!!Posted November 18, 2013 7:00 pm
Winner of Froch v Groves.Posted November 18, 2013 6:58 pm
sorry Peej I had some typos but im sure you understand. Remember Left hook Lacey, Even in his short run to the top, that guy was hurting people. hahahaahahah but he at least had the balzz to fight a super fight, but we know what happen there. Calzage destroyed him.Posted November 18, 2013 6:57 pm
Ward should change his nickname to “The Nullifier”, because that’s exactly what he does to his opponents.Posted November 18, 2013 6:57 pm
Peej, good question and I want to make it clear that I do not dislike Ward, I just believe based on his resume and the opposition that its fair to say that he is not the aforementioned super stars levels. Not his fault. Peej, I believe he takes on B-hop and if he can manage to survive that, this Adonis which would boost his stat a little brighter. Question is can Ward beat these two on unsubjective ground. Ward is bad mouthed because of the opposition he fights and the manner in which he wins. If you take a look at the super stars like toney, calzage and Jones- those guys hurt people. I mean these guys KOed people in a ugly fashion. The cherry picks were basically destroyed. Ward doesnt have that power, also his style just angers people, all that hit and hold and run.Posted November 18, 2013 6:54 pm
Boxing fans are never content with any fighters. Does anyone know if Ward is content on staying at 168? Maybe he is, or perhaps not, he could probably be pulled up to 175 for a Hopkins fight, but at this time I’m sure he’ll let everyone else come to him, as he should if he’s comfortable at fighting at 168. Same goes for GGG. He’s talking about going down to 154 for a mega fight, but that’s happening. He too might as well unify 160 and continue to fight where he’s at his best.Posted November 18, 2013 6:54 pm
Then who should he fight Noman?Posted November 18, 2013 6:37 pm
Ward unbeatable? well maybe at 168, but what is that really sayin. Ward is the king of the beatens. Meaning he won fighters who already had been beaten by others. Ward came at a time where there is absolutly no talent in the 168 div. Ward would had been slammed during the high time of james toney, Calzage, Bernard Hopkins and Roy Jones Jr. Now compare; abe froch kessler and tore up Dawson, far cry from that talent. It isnt a matter that Ward is that great, its a reality that there is nobody worth a darn in that div.Posted November 18, 2013 6:26 pm
Sredmond.., “TARK says Canelo, Dawson and Rodriguez were “drained”
They were drained… But I always had them losing regardless…
No matter how many times you repeat the lie that I picked Canelo over Mayweather, everybody knows I always considered Floyd the GOAT and ALWAYS favored he to beat Canelo by decision…
That was much more accurate than your pick of Floyd to KO Canelo.
Sredmond also erroneously picked Matthysse to KO Garcia… Peterson to beat Matthysse… and Marquez to KO Bradley… He’s the worst analyst in Boxing History — but an even bigger LIAR!!!Posted November 18, 2013 6:26 pm
te tumbo your posting style is eerily similar to SREDMOND’s.Posted November 18, 2013 6:25 pm
Ward is the best spoiler I’ve ever seen. I also think there might be some stamina issues if someone gets to him early doors. I have rarely seen a guy get away with as much holding, a few pot shots then he’s on your chest boring in with the head and tying you up on the refs blind side. Every fight follows the same pattern. He was blowing hard at the weekend and against Froch if it had been over 15 he was getting stopped. Watch the last 2 rounds and honestly tell me different. Bring him outta American n this guy might get dqd for holding. What I always said is the guy has tremendous feet, getting in and out, only problem is when he gets there its always messyPosted November 18, 2013 6:25 pm
Not.Posted November 18, 2013 6:24 pm
SREDMOND Knowledge, analysis, fight/fighter break downs + he’s not racistPosted November 18, 2013 6:23 pm
Knowledge, analysis, fight/fighter break downs + he’s not racistPosted November 18, 2013 6:19 pm
IMO, one of Ward’s primary talents is defusing the potential of a “brutal” fight. at least on his end. it may still end up being a brutal lesson for Ward’s opponent. in any case, eagerly testing Ward’s defense is a recipe for being KO. carefully probing Ward’s defense is losing by UD. lumps and bumps are complimentary mementos, courtesy of Ward’s expert fists. attempting to outbox and simply keep up v. Ward results in:
1) a KO loss
at the moment, Ward has a chokehold on the entire middleweight division. from 154lbs to 168lbs, he’s virtually unbeatable.Posted November 18, 2013 6:17 pm
I want to see great fights with unpredictable outcomes.
The busted Haye-Fury fight is a major disappointment. The fact that Martinez and Quillin are ducking Golovkin is a major disappointment. The fact that Kovalev and Ward won’t be fighting in the next couple years is a major disappointment. Everyone should know Golovkin-Mayweather is a pipe dream … and Golovkin-Canelo is another pipe dream.
I knew Ray Leonard wasn’t going to fight Michael Nunn… When Leonard was asked about the fight it was plain as day he didn’t want it… You can tell.
Everyone knew who would win the last 35 Klitschko Bro fights. Everyone knew who was going to win the last 10 Ward fights. Everyone knew who was going to win the last 30 Mayweather fights. You can’t have a career defining fight if there’s no matchups for you—or if you won’t fight the matchups.
Great matchups always have an element of uncertainty… Like the Matthysse-Garcia fight… The Bradley-Provodnikov fight… Marquez-Pacquiao were always great fights because they were close matchups.
Marquez was too old for Bradley… Ward-Hopkins or Ward-Chavez Jr would both stink to the quasars… I don’t know why promoters always want to put together fights that stink—when there are great fights out there.Posted November 18, 2013 6:05 pm
Tark is giving EVERY boxer a pass on weight these days and it’s one of the many reasons I don’t respect him, He says Canelo, Dawson and Rodriguez were “drained” and the next result that conflicts with his arguments he will employ this excuse of possible..All These attempts to steal credit from the boxer who prevailed or gloss over a BAD PICK (Canelo) who Tark plugged to beat May initially…Posted November 18, 2013 6:04 pm
GGG-Ward is a great matchup.. A fight GGG can win.. Just not the right matchup for Gennady until he establishes himself as the number one middleweight…
You want to fight on an even playing field money and prestige wise.Posted November 18, 2013 6:03 pm
Best options at 168 for SOG.
GGG – way too small. SOG fans says it’s a complete mismatch so no point taking that fight
Froch rematch – SOG fans says it’s a complete mismatch so no point taking that fight
Chavez jr. Everyone says it’s complete mismatch so no point taking that fight
Best options for him at 175
A rematch against a healthy non drained Dawson perhaps?
It’s a real no brainer. 175 clearly wins this one hands down. There’s bigger and better, more competitive fights up there for him, which hold more intrigue for both him and us fans.Posted November 18, 2013 5:53 pm
In Tarks demented world, Ward was rehabbing his injury thinking about Kovalev who is NOT even the top LHW in the World..Meanwhile even the TOP 175 pounder in the world got to that position by beating a guy the Ward STOPPED for the first time in his career, put down 3x and made QUIT…. Wards the closest thing we have to Floyd Mayweather… Kovalev, Stevenson, GGG and the rest of the 168 pound weight class don’t rightfully belong in the same sentence as him..Posted November 18, 2013 5:53 pm
Best options at 168 for SOG.
GGG – way too small. SOG fans says it’s a complete mismatch so no point taking that fight
Froch rematch – SOG fans says it’s a complete mismatch so no point taking that fight
Chavez jr. Everyone says it’s complete mismatch so no point taking that fight
Best options for him at 175
A rematch against a healthy non drained Dawson perhaps?
It’s a real no brainer. 175 clearly wins this one hands down. There’s bigger and better, more competitive fights up there for him, which hold more intrigue for both him and us fans.Posted November 18, 2013 5:52 pm
Yeah Tark SURE, Wards been sitting in his house hiding from a couple of STIFF European style fighters of the variety he made his name beating… Neither Golovkin Nor Kovalev have attributes outside of power and strengh that make them special.. That’s a nice package against these regular fighters, Wards an ELITE fighter he takes guys beat weapons and leaves them with NOTHING… And ps GGG would be HARD pressed to stop Froch who has never been out and has fought a LHW as strong as Pascal, his beating up 154 pounders at 160 really has you fooled!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!Posted November 18, 2013 5:44 pm
Ward will probably head to Light Heavy next year. Get a couple more defenses under his belt and then move up. Ward is not gonna run from anybody, nor has he.Posted November 18, 2013 5:22 pm
Sredmond and Te tumbo have the beatPosted November 18, 2013 5:20 pm
Ward knows damned well Kovalev would be a brutal fight for him… He’s NOT going there… He will NOT go to LHW for a long time.Posted November 18, 2013 5:10 pm
Where is all this banter about Kovalev and
Ward should fight Stevenson next. He’s called Ward out twice now, offering him a 2 fight deal, 1 in Oakland, and 1 in Canada.
There’s nothing left for him at 168. Golovkin is a small sized middleweight and he should concentrate on cleaning out his division before he contemplates moving up, which to be fair he’s been saying repeatedly for months is his main priority. The other belt holders can’t keep running from him forever, Golovkin has been chasing them for years and the noose is tightening now and it’s only a matter of time until they’re going to have to bow to public pressure and fight him or relinquish their belts and be branded cowards.
Who else is there for Ward at 168? Chavez Jr.? Awful fight. That joke just got his rump handed to him by Brian freaking Vera! The only reason he has achieved any level of success is because of the huge size advantage he holds over middleweights and because of his famous daddy. His size advantage would be completed negated up at 168. A fight between him and Ward wouldn’t even be remotely competitive.
A rematch against Froch? The only way that should ever happen is if Ward agrees to go over to Britain for it but I really can’t see him doing that. Froch has been in a lot of wars and I don’t think he has many miles left on the clock. The same goes for Kessler, who to be frank has never looked the same since he lost to Calslappy.
175 is the place to be now. I think Ward knows that but he’s biding his time waiting for the danger men up there to pick each other off before he makes his way up.Posted November 18, 2013 4:57 pm
another superb performance from a ring-rusty Ward. he’s inched up to #1½ P4P or perhaps he and Mayweather should simply share the #1 spot(?). that’s how potent and unbeatable Ward looks right now. complete and utter domination of his weight-class. comparable to the Klitschkos at heavy and Mayweather at welter. whether it be Kovalev or Chavez Jr., the S.O.G. simply caN’T be touched and speculation otherwise is purely academic.Posted November 18, 2013 4:43 pm
He only fought Light Heavy for the amateur and that was so Dirrell could fight in the olympics. He is satisfied at 168 for the time being because he can make the weight. Just like GGG is satisfied at 160 even though he is calling out other fighters at other weight classes. He is not gonna go though.Posted November 18, 2013 4:37 pm
Ward doesn’t want to fight light heavyweight. He said about 5 times during the press conference that he’s not considering fighting light heavyweights right now, “I’m a super-middleweight.” He doesn’t want Kovalev in any way.
And Ward is a damned big super middleweight. He fought LHW as an amateur.
Ward wants to fight Chavez Jr in a PPV… Don’t buy it… The way Ward beat Rodriguez??? … That’s the way Rodriguez would pound on Chavez Jr.
If Froch and Kessler are poor defenders — Chavez Jr is a telephone pole.Posted November 18, 2013 4:33 pm
ward already gave froch a boxing lesson move on.Posted November 18, 2013 4:03 pm
fighters should just stay in their division until there is no one of consequence to fight….there is too much emphasis being put in to p4p ratings that it’s making for bad matchups, catch-weights etc… instead of great fights, whether you like offensive or defensive fighters is your privilege and that should be it , instead of all this discussion which avails nothing and no one…..boxing will go on regardless of the caliber of champions we gotPosted November 18, 2013 3:48 pm
Rodriguez didn’t look weight drained to me. He has fought his whole career at 168 and 170 pounds. Just in March he was able to make 168. Problem is he was with Conte. Does it not seem odd that the fighters with Conte have had shoulder problems and weight issues? Has this not sent a flag to anybody else? Froch beats GGG. Until I see him at 168 handling a real 168lb fighter, Froch wins.Posted November 18, 2013 3:43 pm
Ward vs Kovalev is the fight everyone would love to see … Ward vs Stevenson would be a repeat of this fight.
And Canelo isn’t going to fight GGG… Don’t be crazy.Posted November 18, 2013 3:42 pm
Fact is Floyd is the P4P best right now. Ward has already said that. So there is nothing to argue about. Pac declining to take random testing was the deal breaker. Fight could of happened a while ago but didn’t. Floyd has been the Lineal Champ at 130, 135, 147 and now 154. Also held a title at 140. P4P and ATG status.Posted November 18, 2013 3:41 pm
Canelo wants Cotto… That fight makes sense… GGG should be fighting Martinez and Quillin… Promoters need to pony up the money.Posted November 18, 2013 3:38 pm
GGG would knock Froch cold… Carl is just way too easy to hit solidly… but GGG has business to settle at 160. He shouldn’t rest until he smashes Martinez and Quillin… There’s plenty of time to go after 168.
Forch is almost as physically tough as Rodriguez — but almost as easy to hit as the weight drained Rodriguez was the other night… Roy Jones repeatedly referred to the fact that Rodriguez looked gassed and weight drained as early as the 6th… He threw telegraphed shots and didn’t give a thought to defense.
GGG is a great all-around fighter, but he needs to get fights with Martinez and Quillin before he goes after Ward.
Stevenson doesn’t match up with Ward as a boxer… That’s an easy win.
The best matchup for Ward is Kovalev — who has the skills to box with Ward and has even better punching power than Stevenson… It’s time for Ward to go after a 2nd Divisional title because he’s beaten everyone at 168.Posted November 18, 2013 3:35 pm
Who was the real guy at Jr. Middle the Canelo should have fought, I don’t remember and I’m not going to look it up I know Mayweather beat Cotto for a title Canelo held one titile and then beat Trout for another. Who was the other titlist that Canelo should have fought tobecome the number 1 guy at 154. This is the one I like, Mayweather cherry picked a guy that loads of people on this site said that he would duck. what will be the excuse when he decide to fight GGG, GGG will be weight drained and Mayweather picked him because he knew he would be able to beat him. We’ve heard it all before.Posted November 18, 2013 3:34 pm
SREDMOND the racist talking crap as usual.Posted November 18, 2013 3:31 pm
But was thought to have serious left handed power at 168 and Carl Froch mowed him down, I see no reason to believe that Golovkins gonna knockout Carl Froch who can never be accused of not being tough… He’s a MUCH more seasoned and battle hardened pro than Golovkin who has not really had very stiff challenges… Do you think Stevens would have done better against Froch than Yusaf Mack? The hype on GGG might be justified one day but as of now he LAGS even a Broner or Alvarez as it pertains to the best opponents he faced…GGG would find the 168 pound weight class a VERY unfriendly terrain and unless his “Pop” carries against bigger, higher caliber boxers his demotion may be SWIFT…Posted November 18, 2013 3:10 pm
Ward has a serious claim to 1# p4p he cleaned out his division tornament style not handpicking opponents that carries a ton of weight over Floyds claim to the throne. Has Floyd cleaned out ww nope not fighting Pac pretty much kilks Floyds claim over Ward. Then Ward beat the real lineal champion a weight above him not a hype job like Canelo. Canelo is the real definition of a hype job becoming lineal champ while never fighting the top opponents in his division please save that for people in the bubble lol. Ward numero uno p4p baby.Posted November 18, 2013 3:07 pm
Ward ‘manhandles’ fighters because he’s so obviously pumped full of steroids and because he’s the dirtiest fighter in the entire sport.
I honestly can’t recall seeing a fighter who fouls as much as him. It’s absolutely scandalous what they let him get away with.Posted November 18, 2013 2:51 pm
I believe Ward would win due to being bigger more athletic with an outstanding boxing I.Q but I believe 3G has the tools to threaten Ward. 3G brings scary power along with precise skill and an outstanding I.Q. 3G knows how to detonate those bombs and that’s his chance against Ward who’s power isn’t scaring anybody. I’d really like to see 3G vs Froch first to measure how 3G does against a top smw I think he’ll stop Froch. Although we haven’t seen 3G against some top dudes it seems to be because their reluctant to fight him. 3G has a serious reputation in inner boxing circles it’s like he said after the Stevens fight in boxing people know who’s who. Dudes power has a reputation of being off the charts and so far he’s lived up to it. Ward has the size advantage along with the other advantages i mentioned earlier so no shame at all in losing to him but everybody else around 3Gs weight they can forget it.Posted November 18, 2013 2:50 pm
Sinse has been few and far between on these threads for a long time now.Posted November 18, 2013 2:34 pm
ward stays at 168 to rematch froch, the ggg can move up and lets see. after that ward can move up for afight against chavez jr and call it a day. peter mcneely is more well known then ward. dont get ward angry he might frown at you.Posted November 18, 2013 2:21 pm
ward needs a pr team quick.Posted November 18, 2013 2:19 pm
Peej, they saw what he did to the bigger Rodriguez and they know that GGG is not gonna stop Ward… That said he would be trying to box a VASTLY superior boxer and the result would be EMBARASSMENT or some version of Froch looking like the standard Euro style fighter with sound fundamentals programmed to fight in ONE dimension with NO ability to handle, angles, improvisation and a guy who is stronger than him….Ward manhandled Froch who is a KNOWN strong man, GGG would be in for a RUDE awakening walking STRAIGHT into that power jab and eating left hooks… Let him stay at 160 telling everyone he is a giant killer but unwilling to move up and face the guys he is claiming he can beat….Posted November 18, 2013 2:16 pm
HaHaHa “Ward move down to 160” we all know that Wards going to 175 next that said GGG has NOWHERE near the rightful acclaim in the sport that Ward has as Lineal, Ring Champion, Super 6 winner and P4P #2….Golovkin can stay at 160 and ACTUALLY start buffing up his resume but then its time to STOP all this BOGUS talk about him being this threat at 168-154…. And it REALLY does not look good for a 160 pounder to says he can beat ANYONE at 168 to chase a guy holding the WW belt and has fought there or below exclusively ABSENT 3 fights in 17 years… Sounds like some of GGG’s fans are going into “Protection Mode” because the WORST thing he could do is try his BASIC routine at 168 against Ward, its NOT gonna work and he will get embarassed on Cable Television…SOOOOOOOO the “Ward is ducking GGG talk is evaporating” I knew you boys would come to your senses!!Posted November 18, 2013 2:13 pm
So Ward would have to move down to face someone who has so called called out every fighter from 154 to 175. hmmmm. That makes sensePosted November 18, 2013 2:11 pm
Post below was mePosted November 18, 2013 2:07 pm
Ward wants to fight GGG he can move down to 160 or he can STFUPosted November 18, 2013 2:02 pm
Ward is not the PFP top guy until Floyd loses. Just like Floyd wasn’t top PFP until Bhop lost. Once a dude is PFP he’s got that crown until he loses or is ducking dudes so bad his level of comp no longer warrants PFP discussion.Posted November 18, 2013 2:00 pm
How is GGG the BEST fighter available or Kovalev? neither guy is TOP man in his weight class… I know the ESB ranking system is HORRIBLY flawed but please explain this to us….???? These are a couple of heavy handed European style boxers that have not really booked a marquis win…. SOOOOOOO how AGAIN are they the best around?? They are NOT Top Man in their division…. This is just desperate hyperbole, they are gonna have to prove that in the ring absent aggressive politiking and attempts at a “coup” absent a boxing match…Posted November 18, 2013 1:59 pm
Well it looks like the expectations of the PPV sells for the Pac fight are at 750 thousand. Which ones again shows how far he has fallin with his brand.Posted November 18, 2013 1:57 pm
Ward does not need a PR team, he needs an opponent that also sells. They really don’t have any at 168 that Ward hasn’t already beaten and beaten pretty easily.Posted November 18, 2013 1:56 pm
Ward needs to KEEP winning and stay healthy…. Before he faced Oscar Floyd was NOT some massive PPV star even though he had been selling bouts… Perhaps Andre NEVER becomes a PPV megastar to be honest there are LESS than 4 active today… He is getting MEANER in the ring and those who cannot see that are just shutting their eyes, Dawson got the BAD end of his aggression and Rodriguez took alot of punishment, it was clear that SOG was trying to finish… Kudo’s to the Rodriguez for taking all those clean headshots but sooner or later those oooohhhh’s and ahhhhhh’s might translate into bigger dollars… If not Wards still WINNING!Posted November 18, 2013 1:32 pm
ward has all the charisma of a shoe . and not a fancy dress boot or loafer just a standard off the rack payless shoe. he gets the job done in the ring but his style doesnt excite people. at least hopkins does pushups between rounds and is crafty with his fouls. ward needs a pr team and quick.Posted November 18, 2013 1:18 pm
Jonn E Gazza, I felt that Ward would defeat Dawson because he is mentally stronger… I too did NOT expect him to make Dawson QUIT and that was significant because Dawson fought a guy who got some work done at HW and was a STRONG Cruiserweight (Adamek)…. Dawson called out Ward and wanted to scrap for his belt then got smashed and sent back to HW with his confidence in ruins ONLY to get clipped in the first round by Stevenson…. When history reviews the event Ward will be seen as the guy who started Dawson on the path the RUIN….Posted November 18, 2013 1:15 pm
Demon, Wlad is simply NOT the P4P King and HW’s have traditionally been the guys that this measure was most created to level up with…Wlad Klits skill set is NOT such that he has been dominant they way Mayweather has against comprably sized opposition and YES that is an important factor when HW’s are brought into the equation its NOT unusual for a HW to face a fighter that is 35 pounds heavier or lighter…. Wlad was a guy getting KNOCKED OUT by guys that were NOT of ANY historical significance, Floyd Mayweather has faced multi-weight Champs and never eaten the canvas… Mopes will run and say “Wlad was TKOed” yes I know this but it amuses me to twist the knife and see you fight to discuss the manner in which your boxer was stopped 3x in his prime by D-B- fighters at best including a Golfer (Shameful)…. Wlads current reign has been very solid, that said his foes have been getting progressively weaker absent Povetkin who’s name has been tarnished over the years due to fighting TERRIBLE opponents “Boswell, Rahman” and barely getting by the likes of Cruiserweight Marco Huck…. Mayweather comes to the ring with no sort of massive advantages despite the fact that people will pretend he was 9 feet taller and 60 pounds heavier than Ricky Hatton… He Unified the 154 pound weight class against a kid who HIT harder, was 13 years younger and outweighed him by 15 pounds… Wlad was last seen draped all over Povetkins back saying “Rosary” while praying he did NOT eat a decent shot… His last bout pretty much assured that North America will be looking at the WW division until he retires or suddenly decides to bring more sizzle to the ring….Posted November 18, 2013 1:11 pm
Jonn E. JaGozza
I was a gigantic Chad Dawson fan and also a great fan of Hopkins as well. I was impressed how bad Dawson made Hopkins look in their 2 fights and also thought that Hopkins complained too much about the way Dawson manhandled him in both fights ironically it’s the same kind of stuff that Hopkins did to several of his opponents as well. So, Dawson out classes Hopkins then the idea comes up that Ward should fight Dawson and I GAVE Ward NO chance in hell to even finishing that fight. Ward outclasses Dawson and does it in a manner that still today, we haven;t heard again from Chad Dawson ( I guess his career is over). So, I guess the conclusion one must make about Ward: Ward is one helluva a fighter. People talk about GGG and how great he is well, put him in there with Ward and you’ll see how great Ward is. AS I said in an earlier posting, GGG has power but not too much speed and Ward has speed, power and a great defense …. Ward is simply that good…. Who’s next for Ward? Does it really matter ? …Line them all up … PEACE … Boxingdictionary.comPosted November 18, 2013 1:08 pm
wlad clenchko. this is getting silly.Posted November 18, 2013 1:06 pm
Sorry Hidalgo, you ADDRESSED my comment thats an ACTUAL fact Ward is indeed #2 P4P whereas Demon claims he is NOT ranked in the Top 10 P4P which is ridiculous and a comment thats not meritorious….Point is Wards WIDELY and consistently recognized as an upper echelon ELITE fighter only following Mayweather on that list and the only other fighter on that list with a solid Unbeaten Record…Posted November 18, 2013 1:02 pm
is david toe haye on the list by any chance.Posted November 18, 2013 12:58 pm
Wake up and smell the coffee.
Isn’t it strange how he managed to find a way of wriggling out of doing it everytime?Posted November 18, 2013 12:57 pm
Wake up and smell the coffee.
And now in late 2013, at least 3 years whole after Ward had said he was going to do it, he turned down a golden opportunity to make a stand for the sport and prove he is a clean fighter.
It would’ve cost him nothing. Not a single dime. Only a complete fool would think he’s been clean all this time IMO.Posted November 18, 2013 12:55 pm
Wake up and smell the coffee.
A year after that Ward said he was going to do it for his next fight against Chad Dawson.Posted November 18, 2013 12:54 pm
Wake up and smell the coffee.
Six months later Carl Froch did the same, because he was rightfully concerned that he might be facing an opponent who was artificially enhanced.Posted November 18, 2013 12:54 pm
A year later in 2011 Arthur Abraham requested they both d it for their fight.Posted November 18, 2013 12:52 pm
Wake up and smell the coffee.
Ward said he was going to do additional testing in 2010, for the Green fight.Posted November 18, 2013 12:51 pm
Are posts now being moderated?Posted November 18, 2013 12:51 pm
not to say he isn’t probably no. 2 on the list, but certainly not the king.Posted November 18, 2013 12:45 pm
P4P!? Everyone coming down to his weight to fight. c’mon man. Floyd Mayweather. Be foreal.Posted November 18, 2013 12:44 pm
“Demon, you are CORRECT Ward is NOT in the “Top 10″ P4P he is in the “TOP 2″ P4P ”
Wrong. Ward IS in the Top 10 P4P. That’s the size of the P4P list and Ward is on it. He’s in currently in the #2 spot, but he’s listed on and ranked with the Top 10 P4P fighters in the world.Posted November 18, 2013 12:44 pm
No books pleasePosted November 18, 2013 12:41 pm
Golovkin is the GUY who has been claiming that he is WILLING to jump all over the scales… If he is comfy at 160 then STFU, stay there and fight… His trying to MOVE down and seek out smaller boxers is NATURALLY gonna open him up to critiques and then ask us why he is allowed to CAP his ascent up the scales YET expect smaller fighters to accomodate him?? Double standards are NOT gonna fly and they are being called out… We have heard a TON of posters claiming that guys at 168 are “ducking GGG” personally I see him having problems with Froch and Kessler, Ward is simply a WIDE 10 round to 2 UD… Golovkin does not have the dimensions to his game, the World Class experience NOR the strength to deal with a healthy Ward who beat Froch with a bad hand… I see the GGG fans backing down from this insanity about him pounding everyone at 168 after seeing Ward coming off surgery and a layoff blasting Rodriguez with that jab and having his way… Its time for some substance BESIDES pillow padding to be built into GGG’s resume at 160, NOT 154 or making HOLLOW threats about 168… His people are NOT gonna rush to put him in with SOG he has NO hope with that come forward, NO angles style thats reliant on him being stronger against C level fighters…Posted November 18, 2013 12:39 pm
Wake up and smell the coffee.
>>>>>> ”I called and talked with Virgil about Andre possibly doing the VADA program on the day that the contract for the fight was signed by Edwin. This was about three weeks before the press conference that was held to announce the fight. We talked about VADA again several times before the presser and my understanding was that Andre was contemplating doing the testing.” <<<<<<<<<
Ward said they sprung it on him at the press conference. He knew nothing about it beforehand.
So are we expected to believe Virgil Hunter didn't mention it to him once during those 3 weeks?
Hunter didn't mention that Victor Conte had called him about doing VADA testing on the day Rodriguez signed the contract to fight him, 3 weeks before the press conference?
That he had talked to him several times about doing it after that as well?
But Andre Ward and Virgil Hunter knew nothing about it before the press conference?
Get real. What a pile of BS.Posted November 18, 2013 12:34 pm
Demon, you are CORRECT Ward is NOT in the “Top 10” P4P he is in the “TOP 2” P4P thats why we who live on planet earth reference consistent ratings and not internet clowns with axes to grind… Is this Boxing or the “Travel Network”….. The minute I hear “Travel” in regards to Ward, I smirk and chuckle because its an indicator that I have ANOTHER BITTER Froch or Kessler fan in the crosshairs…. Calzaghe got dinged for travelling late because he missed KEY matchups and fought the biggest names on his resume when they were 40 and Roy Jones when he was so past it, it was like a bad sitcom…. Wales and England are NOT the “Mecca of boxing” NOTHING trumps Las Vegas or making it on the US stage these are FACTS… The biggest guys who wanted and made the most bank made there mark on these shores… Lewis, Hatton, Pacquiao and even Khan gets the picture… Ward is working to become a PPV star and he ONLY has 27 fights, how many times had “Calzaghe, Froch or Kessler travelled” by their 27th bout and where? Ward BENT your boys over and you are PISSED and in need of a way to dilute his Greatness, instead what you do is make Froch and Kessler sound like a couple of stiff, inept fighters in need of a spokesman and a GUN to beat him… Truth is BOTH are World Champions on more than one occasion and Top SMW fighters… But they are BOTH CLEARLY subordinate to Andre Ward, they can swap venues and close bouts till hell freezes over in the tradition of Gatti vs Ward but alas they will NEVER be more than EASY nights for Andre SOG Ward… Hard Truth Kid….!Posted November 18, 2013 12:31 pm
Wake up and smell the coffee.
Rodriguez: “It really wasn’t a demand. If it was a demand, it would have been on the contract and it would have been asked in the negotiations, but it wasn’t. Because, like you mentioned, I understand that I wasn’t in that position to be negotiating over that.
“So all I was saying is, ’I got this, I’m doing it, will you be willing to do it?’ Obviously, you’re not, which is fine. But don’t try to act like it’s a publicity stunt. And if you and your team, you know, communicate, and Virgil…”
.>>>>>> IMPORTANT PAY ATTENTION >>>> Ward: [Jumping in] “I DON’T KNOW ABOUT ANY CONVERSATION THAT TOOK PLACE…”
Rodriguez: “It is what it is. You also got an e-mail about it. Victor sent you an e-mail, and you didn’t want it…”
Ward: “I’m not into conspiracy theories and all of this … I never saw an e-mail or none of that stuff.”
When contacted for comment regarding the email Rodriguez referred to, Conte informed that in July of 2011, he and Ward had a conversation regarding Conte sponsoring Ward for VADA testing. After speaking to Ward, Conte sent him an email offering sponsorship. Ward replied, “Got it, thanks!” but never followed up.
IMPORTANT PAY ATTENTION TO ALL THIS >>>>>> “Andre and Virgil were both informed about the sponsorship offer to Andre for VADA testing,” Conte told “Back in July of 2011, when Dr. Goodman was about to launch VADA, I called and talked with Andre and we discussed a possible offer of sponsorship for him. I followed up with an email to confirm the possible sponsorship offer to him. He responded to my email by saying ‘Got it, thanks!’ I have been talking with Virgil about Andre possibly doing VADA testing for a couple of years now. I called and talked with Virgil about Andre possibly doing the VADA program on the day that the contract for the fight was signed by Edwin. This was about three weeks before the press conference that was held to announce the fight. We talked about VADA again several times before the presser and my understanding was that Andre was contemplating doing the testing. <<<<<<<<<Posted November 18, 2013 12:25 pm
Golovkin would be BETTER served to actually book some QUALITY wins at 160 pounds sooner or later even his overhyped PUNCH DRUNK fans will tire of seeing him bash opponents they NEVER heard of before the bout was signed…Andre Ward is a GUARANTEED loss for Gennady Golovkin and the reason some of us are putting Golovkins feet to the fire is because HE and his FANS are claiming that EVERYONE from 154 to 175 is either scared, ducking or incapable of beating him… When you put a guy out there in that manner then he is GONNA get his resume picked apart and people are gonna ask “What are the credentials of the guys he defeated” ???????? Golovkin is NOT the BEST MW in the world thats not something thats been proved in the ring, talking alot while Martinez rehabs injuries is NOT gonna make the case when you just came off beating a Jesse Brinklely (Contender) leftover (Curtis Stevens)….. Seriously Golovkins people would be making a HUGE mistake putting him in with Ward who would totally dismantle this straight ahead hard puncher who’s most oft discussed asset is “cutting off the ring” against C level fighters… Wards a TRUE Elite fighter and thats a status earned defeating World Champions and Top opposition while making it look easy…Posted November 18, 2013 12:22 pm
soggy the bible banging malingerer may have been rioded up but he still could not hurt rodriguez he had to resort to a headbutt in the 12th in a last ditch effort to end the fightPosted November 18, 2013 12:15 pm
Pacquiao’s last fight?. Are you high?Posted November 18, 2013 11:50 am
Andre Ward is CLEARLY the #2 man P4P in boxing, even he acknowledges that the duration of Mayweathers dominance and his 4 lineal Championships while going Undefeated thru 5 weight classes are simply the stuff of legends… The man unified the 154 pound weight class while spotting his opponent 13 years and 15 pounds…Floyd
will ever be *in* a fight… rather (sorry for typos)Posted November 18, 2013 11:25 am
>>>If we mean the “best”, as in best quality, without doubt it’s “GGG”. That fight has to be made. That’s the only man that fans around the world truly want to see him square off against.
Really?! I find it incredible that you fail to so much as mention *Kovalev* as a potential opponent, nor any other light-heavyweight (e.g. Stevenson, who has only just moved up himself).
You talk about GGG not being pressured to move up in weight, but what about Ward himself? At least GGG has stated that he’s prepared to move up, and he’s said it very publicly, numerous times. What about Ward? Why do you think he should stay at 168?
Plus, GGG has always fought at 160, and is not even a large MW, whereas Ward was the 175 US champion and won his Olympic gold at 175. Having proved himself the best at 168, then, isn’t it time for HIM to move (back) up to 175, rather than expecting guys like GGG or Chavez to move up from MW?`
For me, the best fight oout there involving Ward is against Kovalev, and I suspect there’s plenty of others who would agree. GGG still has lots of business at MW, and is very probably too small anyway. If he does move up to SMW any time soon, he should fight Froch first — which, for my money, would be a *way* more interesting match-up than anything involving Ward, who — much like Hopkins — has the amazing ability to make any fight in which he’s involved a snoozefest. Admittedly, this is testament to his great defensive skills. The trouble is that boxing is also about *entertainment*, and neither Ward nor Hopkins will ever be an a fight as entertaining as e.g. Froch vs Pascal was, or Froch vs GGG would be.Posted November 18, 2013 11:21 am
Old School Rules
“Did the self proclaimed ‘boxing scribe’ really just suggest Edwin Rodriguez is a bigger challenge than Golovkin?”
Although less skilled than GGG, Rodriguez is a bigger puncher and about 20 lbs heavier. The shots Ward was landing on Edwin would have stopped a 5’10, 170 lb fighter like Golovkin. GGG is a devastating puncher (and is all but unbeatable) at MW, but he is small at SMW and will not have as much power. Ward is more skilled, plus would have a height, reach and weight adavantage.Posted November 18, 2013 10:44 am
Ward simple has not done enough to be P4P number 1.Posted November 18, 2013 10:37 am
The author made a point of the fans pushing Broner,May and Donaire up to fight bigger fighters and not GGG. Well both Broner and Mayweather refused to make weight at their fights so as long as they are in that weight class we have the right to push for them to move up. And Donaire, everyone knew he was struggling to make weight so why not instead of what happened to Rodriguez. GGG HAS NEVER MISSED WEIGHT and is comfortable making it. I think Ward is 1 fight away from moving up as well so to me this point makes no sense. Great proposed fight that we most likely will never seePosted November 18, 2013 10:32 am
I hope GGG cleans out the MW division before moving up. There is nobody that can defeat him at MW. They make every excuse in the book to avoid him. FM will never be an all time great unless he fights the best, not just fighters he knows he can beat. I will never pay for his fights unless he starts taking chances like a fight with MP who he feels is to dangerous to his precious zero.Posted November 18, 2013 10:26 am
Did the self proclaimed ‘boxing scribe’ really just suggest Edwin Rodriguez is a bigger challenge than Golovkin?Posted November 18, 2013 10:07 am
Wards been the p4p king c’mon froch, Miranda,Kessler,Abraham,green,Dawson I. Other words he fought everyone, Edwin is an undefeated good fighter that ward made cake out of, Floyd is brilliant a work of art but with his power of having the ball on his court his choice of opponents does not match those that ward has fought, the media doesn’t back ward to much that’s why he’s not even as big as disgraceful broner!, in all reality, no lie, realistically is blastphamous not to have ward as the p4p king!Posted November 18, 2013 10:06 am
The only fighter who has the skills to beat Ward is Andre dirrell. Whether he could hold it together to get a win against Ward im not sure of, but Dirrell without doubt has the skills.Posted November 18, 2013 9:39 am
ward goes the distance with a nobody and vivek asking if he p4p hahahahaha oh dear what a laugh…. and theres me thinking p4p means you are the best WHATEVER weight you go into…. SO surely you got to fight in DIFFERENT weight classes and dominate?? please somebody correct me if im wrong?Posted November 18, 2013 9:03 am
EROD would get out of position,then run back to Ward,then stop right in front of him,then get drilled. It was laughable.
Ward vs GGG doesn’t happen for a while,if ever.
Real boxing fan
Funny how people expect Floyd to move up and fight GGG but don’t want to see GGG move up and take on Ward. GGG fans = Paquiao’s old fansPosted November 18, 2013 8:13 am
Although, I think Ward has fought much better competition than Floyd has in just the last 5 years alone. Floyd’s career currently reads like a circus program. Much entertainment but absolutely devoid of any true boxing value. Floyd is slowly for surely converting the sport of boxing into one of exhibition and entertainment. As we have all been witness to, Floyd has done nothing to add to his boxing legacy except fight a bunch of catch weights, has beens and past their primes in the hope the paying public believes hes doing something extraordinary and in the hopes he will be compared to the ATG’s. As we all know, Floyd not only has the audacity but feels he’s comparable to SRR. What a sad story he’s beome.Posted November 18, 2013 8:12 am
Either Rodriguez truly sucks and Ward beat a “sucky” fighter which could he not put away, much less, stagger or Ward basically fought a very good fighter which he still could not put away except try to tko him into submission by way of head butt. One thing is certain however, I feel GGG can strike much harder than ERod. This Sardine Of Golovkin (SOG) is about to be lunch.Posted November 18, 2013 8:02 am
Golovkin v Ward is the match everyone wants to see right now. Someone do it, and make up for the Mayweather v Pacquiao disappointment of the past five years.Posted November 18, 2013 7:59 am
Ward – the second best con artist in the world behind Mayweather and the best at headbutts.
Ward should move down to 160 and fight GGG if he thinks he so good.Posted November 18, 2013 7:38 am
Ward is good with headbutts and elbows and hiding away in California refusing to fight outside his backyard/the USA. He’s not a great champion like Sugar Ray Robinson who fought on foreign lands. Ward and Mayweather should never be considered great champions. They want everything heavily in their favour and only then do they fight. That’s not the mark of a great champion, and never will be.Posted November 18, 2013 7:37 am
GGG will get humiliated by Ward, please people let’s put an end to all this hyped fight. That’s all it is a very good fighter being hyped in order to beat the second best boxer in the world.Posted November 18, 2013 7:35 am
3 fighters soggy the bible banging malingerer has ducked and will continue to duck stevenson kovalev & Triple GGGPosted November 18, 2013 7:15 am
As a Brit I’d love to see Ward come to the UK and rematch Froch. It would be a huge event over here although I have to say that, even as a Froch fan, Ward beats him every time. His accuracy and poise will always overcome Froch’s style. Carl has a tendancy to attack from too far out and Ward will time him and counter. Still, I think Froch gives a better account of himself on home soil but Ward, understandably, probably doesn’t see why he should put himself at a disadvantage given how clearly he won the first time. Ward said after his fight on Saturday that he prefers for other fighters to call HIM out. In my mind that paves the way for Ward to say “fine, come and fight me at 168 then” the way he did with Dawson. Ward is smart and likes to control everything in his power. If the big light-heavy fella’s start calling him out he’ll try and drag them down to 168. Damn good fighter though!!!Posted November 18, 2013 7:00 am
Good point furious tyson . The haters on golovkin would wanna have him move up in weight , but what happens if he destroys ward or dominates him , the haters would most likely say ward is overrated and golovkin avoided martinez and after that they wanna rush him to light heavy .Posted November 18, 2013 6:08 am
If they wanna see golovkin vs ward , they should demand ward to go down in middleweight . Golovkin have some possible good fights at mw , so their is no need for him to move up in weight but for ward their is nothing at smw , so ward must move up at light heavy to fight hopkins or dawson .Posted November 18, 2013 5:55 am
Pacquiao will win without a doubt. I don’t know why the scenarios when those who know boxing and elite level sports can tell you that Rios is not Cotto, or Margarito or Barrera or Hatton, or Morales. Yes, Marquez beat him and has his number and we all know that; however, no way Rios will beat him. Rios lost to Alvarado, a fighter that does not move much and/or punch as hard as Pacquiao. To beat Manny the fighter has to be gifted and must have a power as well as speed. Rios is not Mayweather! In addition, Rios lacks ring generalship to adjust to adversity: Alvarado changed his game but Rios didn’t therefore he lost. Rios is not a bad fighter but not at the same level as Pacquiao, Mayweather, Ward, Cotto and/or Rigo. Hearns and Duran were knock out and they came back-Manny will comeback. I actually think that Garcia vs Pacquiao would have been a better fight. Danny can fight: he has shown he is a smart fighter and can punch.Posted November 18, 2013 5:41 am
I for one do not want to see GGG fight Ward. I think GGG is naturally a Light Middlewiegh/Middlewieght and that he would be at a massive disadvantage against Ward who is a SuperMiddle/Lightheavywieght.
I think Vivek and a few others want to see GGG take a beating for some reason!
A question to Vivek… Why are you not calling for Ward to fight Kovalev ? although I think I already know your answer.Posted November 18, 2013 5:33 am
Ward v Hopkins
Great idea! They can call it night of the headbutts! Potentially the most dirty boring fight in the history of the sport.Posted November 18, 2013 5:30 am
Hopkins vs ward , the promoters should make it happen . Noboby at super middleweight that can give ward a challenge and hopkins needs a big name so this fight makes a lot of cents for both guys and the fans would be very happy to see it happen .Posted November 18, 2013 5:26 am
I’ve just watched the Ward vs Froch fight again and there is no question about the fact that Ward won convincingly…but…during the last couple of rounds Froch was seriously getting to him to the point where Ward was spitting out his gum shield, hanging on and looking pretty desperate.
Maybe ward should travel to the UK to face Froch, maybe he should have all of the disadvantages of the away fighter for a change.Posted November 18, 2013 5:25 am
P4P top ten best in the world
1 Gennady Golovkin
2 Vladimir Klitschko
3 Vitalli Klitschko
4 Sergi Kovalev
5 Guillermo Rigondeaux
6 Chris John
7 Mike Garcia
8 Danny Garcia
9 Leo Santa Cruz
10 Vasyl Lomachenko
Fraud cherrypicker Mayweather and Andre headbutt Ward who only fight in the USA with hometown judges and cheating refs don’t deserve to mentioned in any rating whatsoever for the rest of their ridiculous fake careers.Posted November 18, 2013 5:17 am
Wow. I just can’t get over how a lot of boxing reporters & fans are already putting Pac’s career more than halfway into the grave. I understand he’s coming off a dreaded, violent KO but sheesh. Even if Pac is only 75% of what he was before the KO, he can still clean house against the majority of the 147 division. Rios has been outboxed by Richar Abril & Mike Alvarado – two guys who combined don’t equal Manny’s skills. A Pac win on Saturday puts him right back in the mix of things.Posted November 18, 2013 5:02 am
Who necks!?Posted November 18, 2013 4:45 am
There is only one P4P King. Money May!Posted November 18, 2013 4:33 am
Ward is JoffreyPosted November 18, 2013 4:29 am
Nope. Floyd is still the KING. Ward remains as the P4P PRINCE.Posted November 18, 2013 4:24 am