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Fight Aficionado

My prediction, Saturday morning: Fight Aficionado — I feel confident Rigo’s the one who will win. But I doubt he’s letting his hands fly. Guys don’t change their style like that in big fights; when the heat is on they revert to what’s natural. I figure he counter punches Donaire enough to slow his aggression and starts banking a lot of rounds by outboxing him with his sublime skills. Could hurt him a few times in mid to late rounds but it’s a decision win. Posted April 13, 2013 11:55 am

Posted April 16, 2013 8:00 pm 


the kids a beast,i’m excited to watch him in the future he’s here now…hollaatchaboy!!!!

Posted April 16, 2013 11:39 am 


P4P rankings mean nothing. Rigo just proved that.

Posted April 16, 2013 10:42 am 


Junior ,nuthuggers have a hard time doing that they hate being wrong.I was telling all these idiots rigo would put a clinic if his chin holds up & that’s exactly what happened.

Posted April 16, 2013 5:02 am 


Rungondeaux … ok, but you surely will agree thats if CJ were a united states citizen may be the media (HBO) could made a “farse star” and he would get more money. He could not be mexican nor pinoy, his style simply dont fix with that nationalities. My point is.. Rigo CJ and even Martinez need of Donaire, Marquez, Chavez to make real money. Why a p4p Martinez dont stay in las vegas for the next fight sgainst murray, he is a p4p star he is not?

Posted April 15, 2013 11:30 pm 


Once you solve the above equation, you might understand why the Highest Court believes there are herds of morons, including writers, that roam around over the internet…..

If you’ve been watching boxing for any length of time, I’ve been a boxing fan since the early 70s, you would know there’s no way to consistently predict the outcome of fights — one punch can change everything, there are behind-the-scene injuries, styles that clash, fight preparation, mental focus, all sorts of things. So if you are suggesting you’re the smartest guy on the net because you predicted the outcome of this fight, please get over yourself.

The whole point of dismissing Rigo was that amateur meant nothing….

I wasn’t dismissing Rigo’s amateur career. Certainly anyone who has won two gold medals and fought over 400 times knows their way around a boxing ring and are a serious threat to any opponent. One of my points was that a stellar amateur career doesn’t always translate to a stellar pro career. But I’m sure you, being so smart, already knew that.

As for your comment about Doniare boiling down, it was WAY off the mark. It made absolutely no sense. Hopefully you’ll think about your comment some more now and gain even more knowledge.

Posted April 15, 2013 8:48 pm 


Mythical mathcup time! How do you think Rigo will fare against the 3 most popular fighters today P4P?

Against Mayweather: Now this is intruiging. If Rigo is orthodox, i will give it to Floyd anytime. But Rigo’s southpaw stance may give him some trouble early. Mayweather is the best, no defensive fighter can beat him in his game. Mayweather UD.

Against Pac: Pac by MD or TKO. Rigo’s a little vulnerable from the southpaw stance against a fighter with great footwork. Cordoba’s footwork gave him troubles and even knocked him down. Donaire also landed that knockdown punch from the southpaw stance. Unlike Donaire or Cordoba, Pac will not be gunshy. Pac has to power to stop Rigo, handspeed that he can use to trade and sneak in punches from angles and variety to kick Rigo’s ass (i’m talking about prime Pac of course).

Against JMM: Not really sure how this goes. But i think JMM by UD. I just think of how he performs against southpaws (Pac, Casamayor). He handled Pac’s speed and footwork very well obviously, and manhandled the counterpuncher in Casamayor.

Posted April 15, 2013 7:03 pm 


oh how can i forget about the peterson/mattheysse
i cant pick a winner wit that one but im leaning towards matt but peterson puts in work so it may go down to the wire…yuuup!

Posted April 15, 2013 2:52 pm 


um chillin man uak… what you think about these up coming fights ,i think judah is a lil too long in the tooth and is probably going to get caught with something by the blue collar fighter in danny garcia/ trout n canelo is the one i really am looking ffd. to i think this could go either way iv’e been in that lynch mob of saying canelo needs to fight sombody his own size just to see is he for real or not and they found the perfect fight to determine that cause trout is no joke/ mayweather is going to dissect the ghost eventhough i respect em to the fullest i just see mayweather picking him apart in a at times good match upwith him being a lefty n all/ i see froch getting revenge on kessler this time around he just seems hungry/ mares is going to go to work on the undercard and i wouldnt mind seeing him in with rigo in the future…hollatchaboy!

Posted April 15, 2013 2:45 pm 


Hidalgo, thanks for the props!

Posted April 15, 2013 1:37 pm 

Fred Cass

Thanks Proud African

Posted April 15, 2013 12:36 pm 


“Following MY advice ” So let us all understand you clearly, Braggadamus: You picked Donaire to win but Rigo followed your advice? I see. Go spit into the wind, fool.

Posted April 15, 2013 12:16 pm 


Following MY advice

Posted April 15, 2013 12:16 pm 


malachi my man the one and only ;) its been way too long Bro Great to hear from you. How have things been? I’m with you on that one, I was just happy that all the doubters have been shut up. Rigo is a little beast I was at the fight he had against Willie “Big Bang” Casey when he knocked him down numerous times and won in a 1st round tko. I have followed him since then and KNEW that he was going to beat Donaire (The HBO Hype Job). Ya hopefully Rigo will be pushed on in the right direction and all going well breaks into that P4P list :)

Posted April 15, 2013 10:58 am 


wht it do mayweather1` Rigo is a beast and deserves everything he has coming his way, lets hope they move him along the right way with some exciting fights i really enjoyed watching this cat scrap even when the boos were blaring out i was excited to see this technician go to work,,new respect and def gonna be following him…..yezzir!

Posted April 15, 2013 10:31 am 

The Rock

No Politics with my list.
1. Mayweather
2. Bradley
3. Ward
4. Broner
5. Marquez
6. Rigo
7. Sergio Martinez-Danny Garcia tie
9. Bernard Hopkins
10. Austin Trout
11. Three way tie Lamont Peterson, Matthysse, and GGG
14. Pacquiao
15. Dawson

Posted April 15, 2013 9:22 am 


Haha Donaire- HBO hype job found out.. Tune in to see Yet another HBO hype job to be found out Mr. GGG

Posted April 15, 2013 8:45 am 


Yet Broner can having beaten ONE good fighter in Demarco, and winning 2 fights via robbery? Show some neutrality Sred

Posted April 15, 2013 8:44 am 


Rigondeaux can’t be on the P4P list based on a 12 fight pro career, that’s an affront to the whole P4P concept and basically stipulates that upsetting an elite fighter makes you the best… Does not work that way or else Buster Douglas and Hasim Rahman should have been on that list… Yeah right!!! Rigondeaux deserves a ton of respect for the job he did in the ring, I think the scores were too close in fairness to him…He should have good opportunity to keep winning and establish a track record beyond 12 fights… I am still surprised Donaire could not mount anything…

Posted April 15, 2013 7:24 am 

Proud African

Fred Cass, you could become good lawyer.

Posted April 15, 2013 12:50 am 


1. Mayweather 2. Ward 3. JMM 4. Martinez 5. Wladimir 6. Rigo

Posted April 15, 2013 12:46 am 

Fred Cass

As of 9:34 PEEJ is taken off the loser list – PEEJ wrote in a former post. – “Do aired comp has been subpar. I really see no difference when he fought that undefeated guy like 5 fights ago to his last fight with Arce. The only question is can Rigo take his punch or is Rifo good enough to compete because Rigis comp hasn’t been stellar. I can’t really pick a winner, I think it’s a 50/50 fight”

* By this account PEEJ did not pick a winner or loser in this fight. Therefore PEEJ as of 9:36Pm 4/14/13 is off the loser list.

UPDATE 4/14/13 ! , Ones that picked Donaire to win ( All Big time losers that need to put there head in the sand !!!! ) All think to be boxing master pickers —– Te Tumbo << BIGGEST LOSER <<< Sredmond, < loser 4 life < Lee, Duran, Titopa, Ghost, HHLondon, KOrnerman, Largo, Boxtradumass has been added after careful reviewing he did pick Donaire to win <<<<<<< ULTIMATE LOSER !

CONGRATULATIONS TO THE WINNERS —— One's that picked Rigo to win ( WINNERS )—Proud African, Hit Nite, Ghetto Thug, Raygordon Reid, ADL, Hecdog <<

Posted April 15, 2013 12:38 am 

Proud African

@Bears – Trout wins against Canelo.

Posted April 14, 2013 11:59 pm 


The “Tark” below is an imposter … obviously. People should be banned when they play this game.

Posted April 14, 2013 11:36 pm 

Fred Cass

Trolltradamus — After reviewing the posts it has come to my conclusion that Boxtradamas has switched picks many times in this fight. Boxtradamas cannot be taken seriously and is considered to be a fraud.

Posted April 14, 2013 11:24 pm 

B Red

Boctra how did Rigo. and Marquez take your advice ? did you speak to them. you need some mental help because obviously your deusional. Rigo doesnt even speak english, so how did he happen to read your post

Posted April 14, 2013 10:57 pm 


Hey Boxtradummy its been proven on here you picked Nonito. Get off the soap box you lost on this one. You suck !

Posted April 14, 2013 10:47 pm 


Boxtradamus knows MUCH about Boxing. In FACT he came UP with a strategy for Rigondeaux to WIN and Rigo followed it to the TEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!! Rigo I WELCOME YOU to the Top 10 P4P list. Following MY advice just like Juan Manuel Marquez DID shows that your Boxing IQ is SUPREME. I CONGRATULATE YOU on that.

Posted April 14, 2013 10:25 pm 

Supreme Court

Here is a quizz for beginners in Boxing and Analytical Capacity:

What is the common denominator between the following fighters:
Mohammad Ali; George Foreman; Sugar Ray leonard; Evander Holyfield; Lennox Lewis; Oscar delahoya; Pernel Whitaker; Wladimir Klitshko; Andre Ward; Rigondeaux; Joel Casamayor? To the this list, you may add Floyd Mayweather; Vitali Klitshko…

Once you solve the above equation, you might understand why the Highest Court believes there are herds of morons, including writers, that roam around over the internet…..
The whole point of dismissing Rigo was that amateur meant nothing….

Posted April 14, 2013 10:25 pm 


Nonito’s urgency came too little too late and then he packed it in–something other great fighters like Morales or Pacman wouldn’t have done, they’d lay it all out there even risking ko. I couldn’t believe it but I was in full agreement with those HBO morons and every round including the knockdown seemed one won by the cubano. Loved seeing Nonito get destroyed.

Posted April 14, 2013 10:17 pm 


Nonito’s strategy was to get picked apart piece by piece over twelve rounds. The guy who beats Rigo will be a rough-houser like hatton, not a dandy like Donaire. You gotta get physical with this cubano.

Posted April 14, 2013 10:10 pm 


Rigondeaux is #2 P4P on MY list. CONGRATS!!

Posted April 14, 2013 10:02 pm 




Posted April 14, 2013 9:25 pm 


1- Rigo had 2 gold medals (which is a rare event in boxing)

Yes, but the amateurs are not the pros.

2_ Rigo had more that 400 fights in his tank, meaning he had more boxing experience than Donaire.

True again, though, it is different fighting 4 round fights that 10-12 round fights.

3- Nonito records are based on one type of fighter: one dimensional brawler. He never fought a slick top 10 fighter. Just like his fellow citizen Manny Pacquiao who avoided slick fighters his whole career until his face was deeply planted in the canvas…

Bull. Nonito has fought a wide range of fighters and styles. And Pac fought a “slick fighter” named Marquez three times previous, not to mention Barrera and Morales who are pretty slick fights too.

4- Nonito has taken advantage of his size at 122 and lower: he boils down to fight smaller fighters. (watch his head….as big as Pacquiao’s and Valuev’s… Nonito has the same height as Broner who is scheduled to fight at Welter weight…).

Hello! All fighters boil down to gain an advantage, they all do. To single out Donaire for doing it is totally ridiculous.

Posted April 14, 2013 9:25 pm 


Zurdo I agree and disagree, CJ is a good fighter 0 loss. He’s not earning alot of money coz he lacks entertainment factor, promoters doesn’t think he can attract fans. But to say that hEs not american that’s why he is nobody I don’t think that’s a good reason. There are many non Americans who are very popular including Mexicans and Filipinos.

Posted April 14, 2013 9:20 pm 

Supreme Court

Largo: you mentioned facts without ever listing one.
Here are the facts before the fight:
1- Rigo had 2 gold medals (which is a rare event in boxing)
2_ Rigo had more that 400 fights in his tank, meaning he had more boxing experience than Donaire.
3- Nonito records are based on one type of fighter: one dimensional brawler. He never fought a slick top 10 fighter. Just like his fellow citizen Manny Pacquiao who avoided slick fighters his whole career until his face was deeply planted in the canvas…
4- Nonito has taken advantage of his size at 122 and lower: he boils down to fight smaller fighters. (watch his head….as big as Pacquiao’s and Valuev’s… Nonito has the same height as Broner who is scheduled to fight at Welter weight…).

Floyd picking Donaire may be a business ploy: to tap into the Filipino market….Ward does the same….They dont want to alineate the flocks of Filipinos who buy tickets….Why are forgetting to mention that Bernstein; Freddy Roach; Teddy Atlas, all pick Rigo to win?
Dear Largo, these what is called FACTS!
Now you can list your light-weighted facts such as Donaire had had more pro fights; he had KO brawlers…..

Posted April 14, 2013 8:55 pm 

Complete Boxer

Calzghe v Kessler was a big European fight, they earnt their money, HBO paid $2 million as well to top it up.

Posted April 14, 2013 8:24 pm 


Chris John !!!! Great example.. He is undefeated, 50 fights, he won over JM Marquez and….. Why he stays like a nobody… Why he not millionaire… Because thats his destiny since he is not american a he does not put exite in the fights. Or…. somebody has interest in a Rigo… vs. Chris Jonh fight, that would be in cinco de mayo weekend???

Posted April 14, 2013 8:13 pm 


One thing is for certain, Donaire shouldn’t slide too far down the PfP rankings. He’s still hugely talented. He just ran into a guy, in Rigo, who is very much like a B-Hop, Tim Bradley or a Winky Wright. They may not be “crowd pleasers”, but they are experts at what they do — and that’s make their opponent look bad while they win. Plus, Donaire (also a counter puncher) had the added pressure to make a fight happen, and not lay and wait like Rigo was determined to do. Not knocking Rigo, he fought a great fight, but we’ll see how he [Rigo] does when fans/promoters start pressuring him to be the aggressor. Because, as we know, the more aggressive a fighter is, the more they open themselves up, and risk getting hit much more often.

Posted April 14, 2013 8:10 pm 


Hyocrites … The phrase say “hitting and not gettin hit” NO “No getting hit and hit”. 95 % of all people watchin the fight were there because Nonaire.. You look like idiots saying… Oh oh i am an boxing expert, am a purist boxing fan!!! All of you know that to get a great fight, an important fight, a HIGH BUSINESS fight you need fighters like Donaire, Hagler, Trinidad, Pacquiao, GGG, Chavez, Tyson, Duran. The other guys: Floyd, Rigo..i dont know, Withaker, etc dont support the sport, they live from the sport. Their challenge its just frustate real fighters. Mention just one great fight with two superb, defensive skilled fighters that you admire!!!! NONE!!
A fight via social network or through the forum would have more exite than a fight between your so beloved defensive skilled fighters.

Posted April 14, 2013 8:05 pm 


Anybody who knows boxing, including Floyd Jr., picked Nonito to win, so to call’em losers is moronic; if you picked Rigo, your pre-fight analysis was based on biased feelings of some kind & not on reasonable cold facts. The only time a prediction like that comes true, is when there’s an upset & that’s exactly what happened last night. If you picked Rigo, that doesn’t make you boxing knowledgeable, it makes you lucky…

Posted April 14, 2013 8:01 pm 

Complete Boxer

You have to be US based or a US Boxer to get any credit, small world.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:54 pm 


I think any top-ten pound-for-pound list without Chris John is wrong because he has had almost 50 fights and is still undefeated and he beat Juan Manuel Marquez.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:49 pm 


After Donaire’s loss last night, I would move him to #4 and Andre Ward to #2 and Sergio Martinez to #3.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:48 pm 


BEFORE Donaire lost last night, this was my top-ten pound-for-pound list –

#1 Floyd Mayweather junior
#2 Nonito Donaire
#3 Andre Ward
#4 Sergio Martinez
#5 Timothy Bradley
#6 Juan Manuel Marquez
#7 Abner Mares
#8 Chris John
#9 Wladimir Klitschko
#10 Vitali Klitschko

I ranked Sergio below Andre Ward because I believe he got dropped twice last year – once against Chavez junior and once against Matthew Macklin. I also ranked Juan Manuel Marquez lower than most people do because hets dropped a lot – Mayweather has dropped him. Pacquiao has dropped him. Juan Diaz has dropped him and even Maichael Katsidis dropped him.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:47 pm 


The “Tark” below is an imposter, I still believe Trout has the tools to rule the division for quite a while. Canelo seems like a dedicated fighter, but the skills of Trout are a few levels up from his.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:46 pm 


I agree Public Enemy… There are brawling fans and there are boxing fans… I enjoy the sweet science myself — not somebody testing his chin in a toe-to-toe slugout. You can go to any amateur show and see tons of that.

After your boxing career you should be able to take on another career where you use your brain for the next 30 or 40 years. Juan Manuel Marquez is a CPA in his day job. I don’t think you should retire because you have 20 million dollars if you’re 35 or 40. Warren Buffett still goes to work every day and he has 60 billion.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:39 pm 


I don’t think Carl Froch belongs on the top-ten pound-for-pound list either.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:39 pm 


I like James Slater’s articles and I respect him but his pound-for-pound list is a joke. How can Pacquiao be in the top-ten pound-for-pound rankings when he lost back-to-back fights and got knocked out?

Posted April 14, 2013 7:38 pm 


I want to apologize to everybody reading this board on behalf of Uglyosaurus. Uglyosaurus doesn’t really mean it when he says that Bob Arum doesn’t know anything about boxing. He can’t mean that.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:37 pm 


*Than – not that.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:36 pm 

Complete Boxer

Calzaghe the best 46-0, beats all styles.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:35 pm 


Bob Arum sucks at predicting fight outcomes and at boxing analysis. Bob Arum is a great businessman but not an expert on boxing.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:35 pm 


Ugly- Theres a reason why you saw those traits in Rigo’s arsenal….They’re not us-based techs…But merely borrowed from past cuban fighters by american coaches trying to look genius domesticly…

Posted April 14, 2013 7:33 pm 


Rigondeaux made a mistake and forgot the rule of ‘protect yourself at all times’ and he got hit with a clean punch and dropped and Donaire was smart enough to hit him right on the button when they were tied up and the referee was coming in to break them but hadn’t actually intervened yet.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:32 pm 


It is not enough to say that “people” say that fight was boring. Every single “person” on planet earth except for you says that the fight was boring. That is … every single person including Rigondeaux’s own promoter (Bob Arum) says that the fight was “unwatchable.” In case you are confused, the guy who is paying him (Bob Arum) thought the fight was boring. So, I guess it is safe to say that the fight was boring.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:30 pm 


Hey Love-The-Sport, Donaire was geeting booed even worse when he fought Omar Narvaez because of the lack of action, so how can you place all the blame on Rigondeaux?

Posted April 14, 2013 7:29 pm 


Public Enemy … Donaire lost the fight. No question. But he scored the only knockdown of the fight. Did you miss that fact? Donaire knocked down Rigondeaux with the only knockdown of the fight. This was the only exciting moment of the fight.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:28 pm 


Rigondeaux is a slick defensive fighter just like Pernell Whitaker and Anselmo Moreno, but Moreno and Whitaker lack power. Rigondeaux is a slick boxer AND he has power, so I don’t know how people can say the fight was boring. His hand speed and footwork were super-fast. Rigondeaux would pivot or bend down and spin at the same time to get away from Donaire, the way Pacquiao did against the bigger and slower Oscar De La Hoya and Rigondeaux is short, so he took a lesson from Mike Tyson and dipped and made himself even shorter and harder for the taller fighter to hit. Rigondeaux’s precision punching can only be rivaled by that of Maywether junior’s accurate punching. Rigondeaux threw LESS power punches but he LANDED MORE power punches that Donaire, so he was much more accurate with his punches and the damage to Donaire’s face was where that showed. In Rigondeaux’s performance last night, I saw the styles of Pernell Whitaker, Mike Tyson and Floyd Mayweather junior all combined. I’m not talking about Tyson’s great power – I mean, when Tyson was focused, he had great speed and defense with the way he would move his head and bend and ‘do the dip’ like the veteran boxing commentator ‘Colonel’ Bob Sheridan pointed out.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:26 pm 

Public Enemy

Boxing is the fighting art of hitting and not getting hit.. who did that last night??? Rigo did.. Nonito did t he opposite.. he got hit and couldn’t hit all night long… get over it and stop belly aching like some sore losing Tacos…

Posted April 14, 2013 7:19 pm 


Funny thing is the crowd booed when Rigo knocked out Ramos with a vicious bodyshot….It is not Rigo’s fault that people can’t see a good thing even if being hit in the face with it….Then again how could they …If it was a Rigo shot it would prolly be too fast …for most.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:17 pm 


Hey Tomato Can and Uglyosaurus … do you know what would be great. Why don’t you bring Pernell Whittaker out of retirement and stage a Whittaker vs. Rigondeaux fight. That would be great. You two (2) guys could watch that … and nobody else on planet earth.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:15 pm 



Posted April 14, 2013 7:14 pm 

Tomato Can

Uglyosaurus, well there’s two of us anyway. I agree with you… lol

Posted April 14, 2013 7:11 pm 


Uglyosaurus — your opinion may matter to you — but it doesn’t matter to anybody else on planet earth including the promoter (Bob Arum), virtually of the top boxing analysts (e.g. Dan Rafael), and 6,000 people at Radio City who were loudly booing Rigondeaux. So, your opinion is important — it is just that nobody on earth agrees with you.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:05 pm 


Boxtradamus knows ZERO about Boxing… It’s not just that a high percentage of his picks are wrong. His analysis is so screwed up he has on basis on which to handicap a fight in the first place. A lot of real experts were fooled on this fight because of Rigondeaux’s limited pro experience. He may be the greatest amateur in fistic history but 11 pro fights isn’t when you make your move against a P4P fighter.

Even Floyd Mayweather Jr. thought Rigo was moving too fast and picked Nonito to KO him. That makes the win that much better.

Posted April 14, 2013 7:01 pm 

Dan the Man

Below is a update from Fred Cass. Now from me, hey Boxtra why don’t you show your face now and admit you lost once again what happened to the GREATEST PROPHET IN THE WORLD. Apologize fess up your wrong dude once again !!!!

UPDATE —————– 4/14/13 ! , Ones that picked Donaire to win ( All losers !!!! ) All think to be boxing master pickers —– Te Tumbo << BIGGEST LOSER <<< Sredmond, < loser < Lee, Duran, Public Enemy, Titopa, Peej Ghost, HHLondon, Largo, KOrnerman, Largo, Boxtradumass has been added after reviewing he did pick Donaire to win <<<<<<< ULTIMATE LOSER !

One's that picked Rigo to win ( WINNERS )—Proud African, Hit Nite, Ghetto Thug, Raygordon Reid, ADL, Hecdog <<

Posted April 14, 2013 6:54 pm 


I don’t think this fight was boring at all. I really enjoyed the fight and there were tense moments where I thought Donaire might open up and knockout Rigondeaux because he was so far behind on the scorecards and he needed a knockout to win and it looked like he was going to that win he dropped Rigondeaux in the 10th round. I like both guys and I didn’t want to see either of them get seriously hurt or knocked out the way that Pacquiao did in his last fight. I was nervous for both fighters like Roy Jones said he was when the fight first started. I like to see knockouts too, but I would hate to see Donaire or Rigondeaux lose by a DEVASTATING knockout. Donaire and Rigondeaux both have good chins. Rigondeaux got hit with a huge left hook early in the fight and it didn’t even phase him, maybe because he was rolling away from the punch as it landed, but a similar counter-left hook from Donaire knocked out Darchinyan (maybe because Darchinyan walked right into it. When Rigondeaux got dropped from a huge punch in the tenth round, he got up wuick. Rigondeaux’s face looked totally unmarked, like he wasn’t even in a fight and Donaire was all beat up.

Posted April 14, 2013 6:53 pm 


I picked alvarado too. I’m not always right though and I don’t claim to be. Canelo and trout both don’t have a resume to brag about but after watching tape of both I think canelo will win and I think he has a bright future. From the tape I have looked at I think canelo > trout for sure.

Posted April 14, 2013 6:52 pm 



Posted April 14, 2013 6:51 pm 


Boxtradamus just predicted fights wrong 2 weeks in a row. Boxtradamus was repeatedly making the annoying comment saying ‘Donaire will SPANK Rigondeaux if they ever fight’, every time the topic would come up or whenever either fighter had a fight scheduled and an article written about it. I also incorrectly picked Donaire to beat Rigondeaux (by decision) but I’m not too proud to come on here and say it. I actually picked Alvarado to win a decision against Rios and that’s what happened. Boxtradamus hid for several days and kept silent right after the outcome of the Rios-Alvarado rematch.

Posted April 14, 2013 6:44 pm 


I don’t always agree with HBO’s Harold Lederman and his scorecard – I thought his scorecard for the Pacquiao-Bradley fight, for example, was way to biased in favor of Pacquiao, but I scored this fight exactly the same as Lederman did, which was 118-109. It was actually an easy fight to score. Donaire ended the 4th round with some good work but it wasn’t enough to win the round. Except for the tenth round that Donaire won and scored a knockdown, the fight was one-sided in Rigondeaux’s favor, almost as bad as the way Sergio Martinez won 11 out of 12 rounds against Chavez junior and got knocked down in the one and only round that he lost, and that fight was also scored 118-109. Jim Lampley said Donaire was training without Robert Garcia because Garcia was busy training Brandon Rios. It sounds like Donaire’s preparation for the fight wasn’t as good as it should’ve been and Donaire basically said he underestimated Rigondeaux and he didn’t even study any of his fights.

Posted April 14, 2013 6:39 pm 


The “Tark” below is an imposter… This is a tough and cometitive fight, and I believe Canelo should be a 7-5 favorite — more because if there’s an even round, or a fairly tight round, will probably go to Canelo on 2 of the judges’ cards. I think Trout will have to create a solid edge to get the “D”… He won’t have to do as much as Rigondeax did.

Posted April 14, 2013 6:38 pm 


Lol nobody gets every fight right. Before we start crowning Rigo as a future atg let’s remember that he was dropped in this fight and has shown a questionable chin. I think donaire would beat mares but I think mares has a good chance vs rigo. Styles make fights and mares would have a good shot vs Rigo because of his dirty tactics and constant pressure if mares chin can hold up he could pull off the upset.

Posted April 14, 2013 6:28 pm 

Tomato Can

I agree Trout/Canelo is a 50-50 fight, but the winners stock should skyrocket after this fight. Canelo will win a close fight, So Trout will have to win big, in order to pull this one out.

Posted April 14, 2013 6:26 pm 


this fight was almost as bad as popkins cloud

Posted April 14, 2013 6:24 pm 


Rigo is the prettiest in the ring..Nothing is done without reason..A true mastermind of boxing….And to all the fools trying to blueprint a boxer who only infights and knocks people out…Go watch another sport….We very well can be watching the prettiest thing ever to have entered the ring at this time and moment…And you morons who know nothing about boxing and could just aswell be watching a fight on the streets…I simply don’t welcome your opinion..

Posted April 14, 2013 6:19 pm 

The Low Blow !

Bears who has Canelo beating in the 154 division that makes you so confident that he will win which one Mosley (more shop worn than Cotto ) how about ALfonz Gomez (welterweight) Matthew Hatton for the green belt LOL or maybe Lovemore Ndou (ex lightweight) who Canelo could not put a dent in ?

Posted April 14, 2013 6:14 pm 

The Low Blow !

i thought that Garcia was not with Nonito was very weird a strange thing to do indeed for this fight the Arce fight was less than this fight maybe Robert wasnt there for that one either ?

Posted April 14, 2013 6:09 pm 


Hey if you lose you get off the p4p list and give a worthy boxer an intro to the list.

Posted April 14, 2013 6:05 pm 


Your right Trout has not fought murderers row but Canelo has never fought a legit 154 pounder, the actual weight class he fights in. Trout has fought Delvin Rodriguez which prettying trumps almost any opponent Canelo has fought, not to mention a shopworn Cotto who even though he was shopworn is still better than pretty much everybody on Canelos resume. Trout has fought as high as 160 so this will be the first person Canelo has fought that is a legitimate 154 pounder. I think this is a 50/50 fight that could go either way

Posted April 14, 2013 6:02 pm 


I’m gonna take the exact opposite stance on canelo. I think he has a very bright future starting with his clear win over trout

Posted April 14, 2013 5:57 pm 


Are all the peple who called rigondeux to win still hugging eachothers nuts? Wow going on 24 hours. “Thanks for the props for the 100th time” hahahaahaha.

Posted April 14, 2013 5:56 pm 


Tark-lol, trout has fought noone but an over rated, worn, beat down, washed up cotto. Have u watched the tape of these two fighting? I got canelo all the way. I will start showing some tape links soon and showing why.

Posted April 14, 2013 5:54 pm 


all you had to do was listen to all the booing , at least donaire pressed the action and got caught with alot of pot shots , this should win most disapointing fight of the year and rigondeaux p 4 p most boring

Posted April 14, 2013 5:54 pm 


Supreme Court, thanks for the props!

Posted April 14, 2013 5:52 pm 


I believe Trout has enough skills and determination to give Canelo quite a lesson. Canelo is just another hype job who’s time has come.

Posted April 14, 2013 5:51 pm 

Supreme Court

Wow !
What happened to Largo?
His psychiatrist must have finally spot the right chemicals…
The man is now poise, relax, and even sharp…
TARK has evolved one notch above the frey: sharp in his analysis…

Hecdog should be commended…Not only he picked the underdog, but he said why, and his analysis was as accurate as a Swiss clock….

For the self-proclaimed boxing experts, we accept your apologies…
But there is one thing recurrent: “simple minds” hardly change their minds…Here comes Trout-Canelo…..I bet it will be deja vu her on ESB again…. Look out folks, they will be out here stressing the strengths of Canelo…..They would have already forgotten what the Highest Court was saying 2 yrs ago about Bute, when everyone else was in his bandwagon…
Any fighter fed with tomato cans would look incredible….until he steps up….
When the time comes, the Highest Court will tell you the nature of the hot gas in Canelo’s balloon…

Posted April 14, 2013 5:32 pm 


They said Garcia was with Rios. I was under the understanding that they trained in the same gym. So not sure where Nonito was training

Posted April 14, 2013 5:27 pm 

Supreme Court

Anyone aware whether Chicago Boy is on suicide watch once again?

Posted April 14, 2013 5:16 pm 


This Rigo dude I didn’t think much of him, but damn he can box. Thought it would be an easy win for donaire. It’s easy to promote rigo, just have him talk a bunch of s#$t like mayweather. Diss other boxers and some of the past great boxers too, and people will love to hate rigo. They will pay to see him lose just like mayweather.

Posted April 14, 2013 5:15 pm 


Donaire must had felt Rigo’s power early and that was why he was so cautious about not charging in . Plus when he did take the initiatve Rigo would slip Donaire punches and counter . Rigo countered all of Donaire’s attempts. Donaire knew that he could be KO’d and wasn’t taking chances whichis what happened in the 12th . Donaire went for the KO and nearly got KO’d himself.

Posted April 14, 2013 5:11 pm 

Tomato Can

But guys like Mares and Mike Gonzalez could use that to their benifit.

Posted April 14, 2013 4:58 pm 

Tomato Can

True forreal, and swelling/brusing gets worse from fight to fight. But with most fighters Donaire probably wont have to worry about it, too much.

Posted April 14, 2013 4:56 pm 


…a major flaw with Donaire is obvious: HE SWELLS PRETTY EASY!!…and that,foks. is a HUGE liability in professional boxing.

Posted April 14, 2013 4:50 pm 


I admit that i enjoyed watching Rigo’s mastery of the sport but i also know that he didn’t set the stage on fire…even you have to agree there.

Posted April 14, 2013 4:45 pm 


Fred cass, i posted this also:
pinoy, yeah, that’s a possible scenario:Rigo tastes Nonito’s power, jump on his bicycle & stink out the joint…”
Posted April 13, 2013 10:19 am

Posted April 14, 2013 4:41 pm 

The Low Blow !

why was Robert Garcia not present during Nonito Donaires training anyone know ?

Posted April 14, 2013 4:40 pm 


3 fights ago gueerero was fighting at 120 smething. Rigomdeux should fight mayweather. Bet he would win

Posted April 14, 2013 4:31 pm 


The overwhelming majority of fans picked Nonito-I did-to win & that was the wise prediction to make because of Donaire’s professional experience & crunching power; Rigo boxed masterfully for 12 rounds & won; congrats to him & welcome to the big league…

Posted April 14, 2013 4:25 pm 

Fred Cass

UPDATE —————– 4/14/13 ! , Ones that picked Donaire to win ( All losers !!!! ) All think to be boxing master pickers —– Te Tumbo << BIGGEST LOSER <<< Sredmond, < loser < Lee, Duran, Public Enemy, Titopa, Peej Ghost, HHLondon, Largo, KOrnerman, Largo, Boxtradumass has been added after reviewing he did pick Donaire to win <<<<<<< ULTIMATE LOSER !

One's that picked Rigo to win ( WINNERS )—Proud African, Hit Nite, Ghetto Thug, Raygordon Reid, ADL, Hecdog <<

Posted April 14, 2013 4:17 pm 


Rigo showed tremendous boxing skills vs a true worthy boxer,,,Nonito has used his superior speed to get his power to do the damage but this time he was in with a boxer way faster than him,,,Rigo is the best true boxer at these low weights,,,but won’t make a huge fan base due to his style,,,I don’t think Nonito will do as well as he did at 115-118lbs at 126lbs,,,Nonito has never looked great vs great competition at 122lbs,,,126lbs has big strong quality guys,,,I don’t think Rigo will lose anytime soon at 122lbs,,,PS I prefer to watch fights with guys with styles like Alvarado, Rios, Pacman, JMM(highly defensive but highly offensive too),,,etc,,,,peace

Posted April 14, 2013 4:10 pm 

Donaire Sr.

Nonito, you fought like cr@p, that little dude schooled you badly, you are a loser!

Posted April 14, 2013 3:45 pm 

te tumbo

“did you get beat up by sum mexican or what . . .” Yes. Me. along with Orlando Salido who almost single-handedly eRased PR boxing from the map in 2012 with assists from Segura and Arce. Marquez’s KO win over Pacquiao* sent him into a spiraling tailspin for the first three months of 2013. four months later, he’s only now recovering, but will be settling for Cuban and Dominican fighters while Hating Mexican ring-warriors until PRicaN’T boxing somehow, someway recovers enough to claim at least one P4P spot on ANY list. Btw, a Judah win v. Garcia should be worth at least six months of peace and quiet on ESB message boards.

Posted April 14, 2013 3:33 pm 

te tumbo

Donaire wasn’t able to replicage Mares’ performance v. Moreno who was also favored because of his presumed boxing superiority. however, even Nonito experienced success during those moments when he discarded his sniper style to make Rigondeaux fight but that was his Plan B. it would be Mares’ Plan A going into a proposed showdown v. Rigondeaux. it would also be Ponce’s in case he defeats Mares. meanwhile, Mikey Garcia is waiting to claim featherweight supremacy above them all. featherweight just got a lot more interesting.

Posted April 14, 2013 3:25 pm 

Jay rock

This is what happens when you fight nobodies and when you step in with a real dude you get beat up

Posted April 14, 2013 3:24 pm 





Posted April 14, 2013 3:14 pm 

Red Ryan

Amazing display of true flawless boxing art against another p4p top boxer, what more could you want.

Posted April 14, 2013 3:14 pm 

Tomato Can


Posted April 14, 2013 3:09 pm 

Tomato Can

You sound like one of those guys who thinks boxing is boring is less someone is getting their head knocked in. Different strokes for different folks…

Posted April 14, 2013 3:07 pm 

Big Al

nobody is saying rigo is not good. i’m just saying count me out of the next snoozefest. you guys sound like those loony people saying ‘I had Andre Dirrell up on points over Carl Froch on my scorecard’ and think that if you say it loud enough and over and over again that you’ll eventually drown out the other people calling things as they see them. so yes, rigo is great, but no some of us will not be chomping at the bit for the next one, and hell no did andre dirrell outbox carl froch.

Posted April 14, 2013 3:04 pm 





Posted April 14, 2013 2:58 pm 


Big Al- there were just more philippinos in the house. If Rigondeaux were African American, or even Puerto Rican, Radio city would have been buzzing last night. In fact, you could see the man had won the respect of a lot of people last night and you could hear “It’s called BOXING” chants around the room. BTW, I do think Rigo felt something around the 6th round that made him extra cautious until the 10th, but Donaire didn’t press him either.

Posted April 14, 2013 2:56 pm 

Tomato Can

I like seeing the best fight, and Rigondeaux, proved he’s one of the best last night, bravo!!!

Posted April 14, 2013 2:55 pm 







Posted April 14, 2013 2:53 pm 


Rigondeaux was a 2-1 underdog… Many top experts, including Floyd Mayweather Jr, put their prestige on the line and picked Donaire to win by KO… Obviously Donaire, a 4-division World Champion who has obliterated some top fighters with smashing KO power, is one of the top P4P boxers in the world. He was upset by an undefeated two-time Gold Medal Olympian in a highly anticipated unification match. He was not only beaten but owned.

Rigondeaux will probably beat Donaire in a rematch, which should be an even better and probably closer fight. Is Rigo better than Mayweather? That’s an appropriate question. Rigondeaux only has 12 professional fights and should be better in his next matchup. He probably learned more from this fight than any other fight of his life. Donaire showed him a couple of areas that he can still perfect … and he is a perfectionist.

Posted April 14, 2013 2:50 pm 

Tomato Can

It’ll be tough for any Cuban fighter to headline PVP, no matter how good he is… If one were to learn and speak English it might encrease his chances. Rigondeaux certianly has the talent to head line PVP, though.

Posted April 14, 2013 2:44 pm 

Big Al

srminio, thanks for making my point. donaire brings out the fans and gets them to tune in. in short, he understands the entertainment factor — you have to sell tickets and tv time. networks need to generate viewership to turn into cash to make profits to keep things going. rigo needs will figure that out soon enough.

Posted April 14, 2013 2:40 pm 

Tomato Can

Yeah, moving Marquez from 4 to 3 is absurd. Not to mention that his body of work far exceeds Serigo Martinez’s…

Posted April 14, 2013 2:37 pm 


Abner Mares would be dismantled and beaten worse than Donaire was if he ever fights Rigondeaux. And I like Mares a lot, but he can’t match Rigondeaux in any area. Speed, boxing skills, counter punching defense and ring generalship are all mastered by Rigondeaux. Mares can’t out box him, which would lead to him to pressi the action, moving forward and getting picked apart. A the saying goes, styles make fights, and Mares style is perfectly made for Rigondeaux, and he’s a shorter fighter, which makes it much easier for Rigondeaux. This guy is a world class technician, and he knows how to win. I like mares a lot, but he can’t beat Rigondeaux unless he hit Rigondeaux with 100 low blows.

Posted April 14, 2013 2:35 pm 


First of all, the boos last night need to be taken with a grain of salt. The house was about 90% for Donaire, so they were not very pleased with the way things were going. Second, stop saying “fans” don’t find him entertaining. I’m a boxing fan and I though the performance was incredible if the author personally doesn’t like Rigo’s style, come out and say it, don’t put it on the fans. I can’t wait to see him again, in fact. And lastly, it takes two to tango and, except for maybe twice during the fight, it’s not like Donaire was exactly going for the kill.

Posted April 14, 2013 2:32 pm 


Why was Donaire headlining PPV? He barely sold this one. It was only 6K seats. And you make up a PPV argument because your boy got SCHOOLED! Keep the excuses coming.

Posted April 14, 2013 2:26 pm 


@ThePrince Good analogy. Rigo almost threw the perfect game last night. These long ball fools will never recognize skill.

Posted April 14, 2013 2:20 pm 


Absurd .. Marquez 3rd lol

Posted April 14, 2013 2:19 pm 


Tomato Can don’t be s sore loser and stick up for the ones that picked Donaire.

Posted April 14, 2013 2:18 pm 

Tomato Can


1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Andre Ward
3. Marquez
4. Rigo
5. Sergio Martinez


Posted April 14, 2013 2:13 pm 

Tomato Can

Calling someone out for picking Donaire to win is rediculas. Donaire was the favorite, most people picked him to win.

Posted April 14, 2013 2:12 pm 



1. Floyd Mayweather
2. Andre Ward
3. Sergio Martinez
4. Marquez
5. Rigo

Posted April 14, 2013 2:10 pm 


te tumbo you sure know how to pick em. No better than Sredmond lol !

Posted April 14, 2013 2:09 pm 

te tumbo

i wasn’t even posting on ESB in 2000, which reveals the lie to that delusional anecdote. Btw, let this be a lesson to fanboys like yourself: even the Great ones can make wrong predictions, which is why some fanbosy feel the need to make a big deal out of it when it does happen. however the Great ones don’t dissapear into their own ass-cracks like Public Enema did following 2012 aka the final year of PRicaN’T boxing . . . “Cannn-ta y no Lloren”.

Posted April 14, 2013 2:08 pm 

te tumbo

“Just you picking donaire to win tells me a lot about you” but i’m still not interested in knowing the first thing about you. although, your obession with Me hints of something(?).

Posted April 14, 2013 2:01 pm 

Public Enemy

Dan The Man – Tumbo also predicted that Fernando Vargas aka lardAss the Hassbeen warrior would KO the Great Tito Trinidad… Boy was that Chihuahua Wrong..

Posted April 14, 2013 1:56 pm 

The Prince

You know, in baseball there was a time when Ace Pitchers were booed because they made the games “boring” and fans wanted to see Home Runs. Now Ace Pitchers are celebrated and honored. In boxing, guys like Rigondaeux were celebrated for his great skills. Now with the MMA culture, you have so-called boxing fans that don’t have the attention span to appreciate true talent when they see it. Keep doing you and win Ringondeaux. Like the Ace Pitcher, when a fighter keeps winning, they have no choice but to appreciate and soon celebrate.

Posted April 14, 2013 1:48 pm 

Dan the Man

Te Tumbo for someone that acts and thinks he knows boxing you sure don’t know nothing. Just you picking donaire to win tells me a lot about you.

Posted April 14, 2013 1:44 pm 

The Prince

Good list, Slater. I agree.

Posted April 14, 2013 1:38 pm 


Do we all get an apology from the people that supposedly know boxing best who PICKED DONAIRE to win ? I mean come on these people are so descriptive to who is going to win they picked Nonito so what are they going to say now that he lost big time

Posted April 14, 2013 1:37 pm 


LMAO at P4P rankings! Rate the boxers by the weight divisions they fight in, not by some mythical ranking system. But since we’re being stupid about it, let’s do it right. Rigodeaux should now take over Donaire’s previous P4P ranking and Donaire should not be ranked at all on the P4P list. Makes sense to me.

Posted April 14, 2013 1:32 pm 


Good job putting this clown on report Lacy. Every dog has his day, only a matter of time.

Posted April 14, 2013 1:29 pm 


For those of you that call Rigo a runner, please remember he has 8 ko’s in 12 fights. That’s the reason Donaire didn’t throw much. Look at the 12th round, Donaire got caught with a shot-then he was the one running. If that shot would have been in any other round, he would have been stopped.

Posted April 14, 2013 1:28 pm 


Cuban fighters are all seasoned fighters by the time they become pro, this guy went to the olympics TWICE and won Gold, this guy fights to eat, King Kong would not have bet him last night, rematch? Donaire would get bet again. This guy is gonna be around for a spell, great speed, ring generalship, and packs good power for a 122 pounder. Donaire had an arrogant attitude going into this one, he got spanked right back into reality. Remember, the young LIONS are always watching and waiting.

Posted April 14, 2013 1:27 pm 


I was dead wrong on this one. You would think that Garcia would have a plan b, donaire was clearly being out boxed his only hope was to brawl. Sure he probably would of got koed but at least he would of had a chance. Sugar ray Leonard had a similar fight vs hearns he realized he couldn’t out box hearns so he made it into a fight. Donaire was not willing to risk it all a tried champion is willing to go for the knockout even if he may go down himself.

Posted April 14, 2013 1:22 pm 


I posted a few years ago as Donaire was moving up in weight that Rigodeaux would be trouble for him.Don’t be fooled by Rigodeaux’s deceivenly short professional record;lots of Cubans fighters have TONS of amateur experience and yes,it does makes a world of difference in the end.

Posted April 14, 2013 1:05 pm 


Boxtradamus’ big fight prediction: “I picked Donaire a YEAR before the Fight was even announced and I STAND by MY pick. Donaire is Top 5 P4P. Rigo is #0. Its a LONG jump from Top Amateur to Top PRO. The History of Boxing agrees with ME on that. And Rigo will soon agree with ME TOO.” Lol :)

Posted April 14, 2013 1:02 pm 

Public Enemy

and my response to his Assanine prediction – = “Public Enemy —
Just because Nonito has been taking out Mexicans faster then Chris ManBoobs Arreola can put away 100 taco Supremes doesn’t mean he can take out this Cuban… I think Rigo will out Box Nonito and Nonito will get a gift win from the Judges as we’ve seen so many times..” == Luckily Rigo wasn’t robbed but those close cards tell me they were trying really hard to give rounds to Nonito and steal it from Rigo if Rigo had not totally shut Nonito down and boxed his Ears off leaving him a battered Wreck like MargaCheato va Paquiao…

Posted April 14, 2013 12:55 pm 


Top 5 for the Cuban. Nonito is arguably P4P higher than Ward and Marquez. I personally would have Floyd at 1. Martinez at 2. And Rigo at 3. And I find him pretty entertaining to watch too…a slick, flashy boxer with decent power in both hands. Donaire looked a weight division or two bigger than Rig last night as well, which makes the victory even more outstanding.

Posted April 14, 2013 12:53 pm 


I don’t see how anybody but Floyd and Andre Ward can be argued to be above Rigondeaux after last night. Possibly Marquez and Martinez but definitely not Bradley.

That was an amazing display of boxing IQ coupled with power and handspeed. He dominated a top-class opponent like Donaire who had at least 10 pounds on him and he made it look EASY.

Posted April 14, 2013 12:52 pm 


p4p rigo is #5

Posted April 14, 2013 12:51 pm 

te tumbo

DAN THE FAN, i don’t even know what your prediction was for this fight. never mind the history of your predictions for all fights. i’m flattered that you’ve been following the history of my posts and predictions so closely. you must’ve learned a Lot about Boxing and nothing about me.

Posted April 14, 2013 12:44 pm 


UJelly – What do you expect Arum is a jew most Jewish business men if not all are crooks

Posted April 14, 2013 12:28 pm 


Rigondeaux = Leon Spinks = 12 fights Top 5 pound for pound

Posted April 14, 2013 12:27 pm 

Dan the Man

ahhhh Te Tumbo is sour grapes so callled boxing KNOW it “all”

Posted April 14, 2013 12:26 pm 


great list James!

Posted April 14, 2013 12:24 pm 

Dan the Man

Fred Cass thank you for posting this —–

UPDATE ! Pretty SAD, Ones that picked Donaire to win ( All losers !!!! ) All think to be boxing master pickers —– Te Tumbo << BIGGEST LOSER <<< Sredmond, < loser < Lee, Duran, Public Enemy, Titopa, Peej Ghost, HHLondon, Largo, KOrnerman, Largo

One's that picked Rigo to win ( WINNERS )—Proud African, Hit Nite, Boxtre, Ghetto Thug, Raygordon Reid, ADL, Hecdog <<

Posted April 14, 2013 12:09 pm 


Rigo fought a great fight! Much like Vernon Forest did to Shane Mosley, and Tim Bradley did to Pacquiao — they controlled the action and won the fight. Now two questions: One — If Rigo goes onto face Abner Mares, will Mares be Rigo’s Ricardo Mayorga — a guy who can make it brawl, keep Rigo from fighting a controlled fight? Two — will Rigo be pressured by fans/promoters to adopt a more action/offense style of fighting to sell tickets — like Bradley realized and then tried in his last fight? If so would an aggressive version of Rigo cause him to be much more open and hittable? We shall see.

Posted April 14, 2013 12:06 pm 


big Al, the ko’s will come for rigo. donaire is a KO artist, so rigo and his team trained to box his ears off, which he did. Why risk being ko’d by a dangerous puncher when you have those type of skills to prove something to people who dont like you anyway? critics tend to forget that donaire’s been in a few sleepers too recently.

Posted April 14, 2013 11:57 am 

te tumbo

“And I don’t think Mares wants any part of him or any other guy in his weight class”? HECDOG, since when has risk been a factor in Mares’ choice of opponents? in fact, having just defeated a pretty good boxer himself v. Moreno, Mares is now preparing to face the guy who unofficially defeated Broner at a higher weight. if anything, Rigondeaux’s impressive showing has already earned him a spot in Mares’ crosshairs, which has been Mares’ M.O. all along.

Posted April 14, 2013 11:55 am 

The American Oak

If I wanted to watch an amateur fight I’d amble on down to the PAL ring. It was a stinker. Rigo will fade away like Bradley. No PPVs for him. Techinically brilliant but boooooorrrrrrrrrriiiiiiinnnnnnnggggggggg.

Posted April 14, 2013 11:52 am 

te tumbo

Btw, Rigo belongs above Bradley on that list. he gets extra credit for sheer mastery of the fight game.

Posted April 14, 2013 11:49 am 

te tumbo

i completely underestimated Rigo. did not expect him to perform so well under the bright-lights of primetime Boxing and against the pressure of a demolitions expert like Donaire. consequently, Nonito was schooled in convincing fashion. although i think he would do better in a rematch. he now knows that Rigo requires set-up and preparation. he’s not an opponent that can simply be tossed on to the grill for instant punishment. meanwhile, Rigo’s poise in this bout was pretty remarkable. a Solid and impressive win for him and back to the drawing board for Donaire.

Posted April 14, 2013 11:48 am 


Rigo’s performance overall was fantastic. This is the art of boxing. Boring at times, yes. Needs to attack a little more.

Posted April 14, 2013 11:47 am 

Big Al

jelly, your stating the obvious, but we both know a goldenboy fighter like mares will never fight a top rank fighter like rigo, right? right. so let’s examine this from a couple of different angles. rigo won, but who will be talking about this on monday morning in the break rooms or at the water coolers: nobody. i’m not a donaire fanboy, but he gives us highlight-reel stuff. we’re not talking about going in face first and reckless just to make some quick cash, we’re talking about looking good so people will want to see you the next time out. you’ve got to admit that even mayweather, with all of his defensive wizardry, takes just enough risk and willingness to mix it up that he gets us excited when he lets the leather fly. rigo was headlining the show last night thanks in part to his opponent — and that’s a large part — but if he hopes not to fall back into undercard obscurity he’s got to tweak his style to stay relevant. winning is the absolute number one priority, no doubt, but a fighter’s career is a short one, and fans and networks keep you on the big stage so long as you give them a show. you have to entertain. i don’t think anyone will blame donaire for being a part of that stinker last night and because of it he won’t lose too many fans or HBO support, but rigo has to remember that even HBO cut off the klitschkos, while they were still winning, because they did not entertain. And surely, most fans watch because they want to be entertained. donaire cleaned up the division, leaving rigo with an unusual problem. he’s at the top but with no one meaningful to fight. Remember, Arum had to lure donaire’s last two opponents back from retirement. An boring fighter with a shortage of quality opponents does not make for a bright future. Bob Arum has his work cut out for him.

Posted April 14, 2013 11:35 am 


masterful performance by rigo. He absolutely negated all of donaires strengths. As a fan of great boxer punchers, I appreciate this guy. quit calling that man boring. He’s truly special.

Posted April 14, 2013 11:34 am 


I tried telling everyone how this fight would go. Rigondeaux’s elite amateur boxing back ground played a huge roll in this, He displayed a brilliant tactical fight, and showcased speed, power, movement, Sweat Pea defense, and his ring generalship was outstanding. He’s also a very humble person and he showed class in giving Donaire props. Donaire sure wasn’t asking Rigondeauxx to look in his eyes anymore. Great strategy and fight by Rigondeaux. And I don’t think Mares wants any part of him or any other guy in his weight class.

Posted April 14, 2013 11:25 am 


Heavies are not put on that P4P list. The list was specifically made for non heavies so the smaller guys could get recognition. Being the heavy weight champ was recognition enough because you where known as the baddest man on the planet

Posted April 14, 2013 11:19 am 


Donaire shouldn’t of been to high on the P4P list because Donaire has only been in showcase fights. Rigo took Donaire to school. Funny how Donaire tried to make an excuse after the loss because when he was winning you heard nothing of his so called shoulder injury.

Posted April 14, 2013 11:16 am 

Public Enemy

Bottom line is The Cuban Rigo made Nonito look like a damn amatuer in that fight.. Hardly a world Class P4P anything.. and Rigo will go on to beat a lot of Mexican Ass as well… Proud to see a fellow Latino do so well…

Posted April 14, 2013 11:12 am 


Listen anyone who didn’t see this coming is blind. Donate got a bogus fighter of the year award fighting no one. There’s no way fighting a semi retired fighter, two just beaten fighters if you really watched the are fight before donate you know he was about to get beaten abduction mathebula who outlined him by over one hundred punches. I can see why he didn’t want to fight rigo. Rigo along with mayweather marquez ward Garcia and Hopkins are pugilist of the sweet science.

I would love to see Garcia vs Rigid and feel that would be a better fight and of course Garcia the trainer doesn’t want his two fighters to fight. I give mike the edge against donate because of his calm fighting style and counter punching but i feel nonito can beat him by knockout. I hope they match mikey against rigo because i appreciate the sweet science but mikey i don’t think is fast enough or athletic enough to beat Rigo but i Di give hint a better chance than dinaire.

Posted April 14, 2013 10:55 am 


Hey Benny Hill your list is good just switch # 3 with #10. Broner is unproven to me he’s been doing what Donaire has been doing fighting small guys who he out weighs by 15 pounds . Broner weighs 154 pounds on fight night to defend his 130 and 135 pound titles. Lets see how he does as a Welter weight and I’m not talking about that weakling he’s fighting Paulie Maggilani

Posted April 14, 2013 10:51 am 


Boxatrdamous your funny I guess in Fantasy land we can all be legends in our own mind

Posted April 14, 2013 10:46 am 


Rigo is number 1 cause if Mayweather or Ward were in the same weight class they would lose to him. A wash up Cotto won 5 rounds against Floyd how many Rounds do you think a Wash up Cotto would win against Rigo ? Yea that’s right Zero.

Posted April 14, 2013 10:43 am 

Fight Aficionado

Rigo is now soundly in the top 10 PFP and will be top 5 soon. He’ll be a hard nut for anyone to crack. I’ve not done a list in awhile but we gotta see him win more big fights to approach the likes of Floyd, Ward and Sergio. Probably around 7 with Donaire dropping to 8-9 or something. Will ship my list at a later time.

Posted April 14, 2013 10:41 am 

Big Al

That’s all good if you like the hit and not be hit thing. I don’t even see this as a setback for Donaire. And to be honest, I was rooting for rigo and had a change of heart midway through the fight. I mean, if your Rigo, how do you even cash this lottery ticket that you have now? It was kind of like you won the fight, but you also lost something at the same time. I felt rigo had more left in the tank and should’ve at least tried to put an exclamation point on it. On paper and in the record books donaire lost, but did he really lose everything he had built up over the last two years with last night’s show? I think he’ll be just fine, but rigo by no means will be making donaire-type of paydays or generating that kind of buzz and give us those highlight-reel things to talk about on Monday morning when we go back to work. As a fan who can appreciate all styles and personalities, I won’t be marking rigo-donaire2 on my calendar if Arum and HBO can somehow justify it. Congrats to Rigo. Hats were off last night.

Posted April 14, 2013 10:38 am 


WTF is Bradley doing in that list?! Swap him out for Broner and it’s not bad.

Posted April 14, 2013 10:34 am 

Fight Aficionado

As for the PFP, I never had Donaire as high as a lot of guys more like #5. Now he’s still in the top 10 but if he doesn’t rebound with a big win right away he could slide out of there. Seeing how passive he got vs Vazquez Jr was a sign to me that he could be taken out of his game by a solid boxer.

Posted April 14, 2013 10:34 am 

Fight Aficionado

“Fight Aficionado I feel confident Rigo’s the one who will win. But I doubt he’s letting his hands fly. Guys don’t change their style like that in big fights; when the heat is on they revert to what’s natural. I figure he counter punches Donaire enough to slow his aggression and starts banking a lot of rounds by outboxing him with his sublime skills. Could hurt him a few times in mid to late rounds but it’s a decision win. Posted April 13, 2013 11:55 am” – My comments Saturday morning. That’s exactly what transpired. Any questions?

Posted April 14, 2013 10:30 am 


I disagree with all who say Rigo is boring. He does so much in the ring at all times, except it’s not always swinging, but also not a lot of missing either. For those who merely like to see a lot of punching, before you point the finger at Rigo, do you ever wonder why his opponents don’t force the action with a lot of pressure and punching? I didn’t see any ropes or handcuffs holding Donaire’s hands back last night. I think Donaire threw fewer punches than Rigo. There is a reason for that. Rigo is a ring master and his supreme accurate & powerful counterpunching takes the will to punch & pressure away from his opponents. That’s the Sweet Science and that is exciting to me!

Posted April 14, 2013 10:18 am 

Kid Blast


Posted April 14, 2013 10:17 am 


RIGO took MY advice and won just as I predicted. I didnt think he had my IQ to tAke MY advice but he DID and won as a result. I AM the undisputed greatest fight prophet ever born. Actually its SCARY how GOOD I have become!!

Posted April 14, 2013 9:54 am 


Public Enemy. did a mexican abuse of you ? jajajaja. This thread has nothing to do with mexicans. Boxing is no all about mexicans.,

Posted April 14, 2013 9:47 am 

Big Al

Dan Rafael: If you’re not going to even try to entertain, people wont watch, wont buy tickets and TV nets wont put you on.

Posted April 14, 2013 9:39 am 

Big Al

“It was not a very engaging fight,” Top Rank promoter Bob Arum said. “If Rigondeaux would stand and fight, (he) has a lot of power and a lot of skills, but running the way he does really makes it not a watchable fight.”

Posted April 14, 2013 9:35 am 


So how does your system work? Beating Miguel Cotto almost a year ago gives you the number 1 spot in front of other fighters who may win 2 or 3 times in the same period? By that logic, if the Guerrero fight gets cancelled then Mayweather will just stay number 1 until he one day decides to fight again. Why isn’t Calzaghe on there? He was ranked 5 years ago and he hasn’t lost since? Does inactivity count for nothing with you?

Posted April 14, 2013 9:30 am 

Ben Hill

1. Ward
2. Rigondeaux
3. Broner
4. Mayweather
5. Martinez
6. Marquez
7. Pacquiao
8. Donaire
9. Dawson
10. W. Klitschko

Posted April 14, 2013 9:27 am 


Big Al is right. Fears is mostly right: P4P should be Mayweather, Ward, Martinez, Marquez, Klitschko, Klitscchko … and then it gets very difficult to determine. Maybe Pacquiao, Mares, Broner, and then Rigondeaux gets into the top 10. I think Rigondeaux is a great boxer — but godawful for boxing. Very boring. But it is hard to say he does not have skills and does not get into the top 10 pound-for-pound. But he is god awful to watch.

Posted April 14, 2013 9:26 am 


1. Mayweather 2. Ward 3. Martinez 4. Marquez 5. Rigondeaux 6. Wlad Klitshko 7. Bradley 8. Pacquaio 9. Donaire 10. Broner
Next in line: Mares, Froch, Mikey Garcia, Winner of Trout/Canelo, Anselmo Mareno
My list could change if some of the members fought each other such as: Marquez/Bradley, Marquez/Broner at 140

Posted April 14, 2013 9:15 am 

Big Al

rigo may have won, but he totally put me to sleep. my prediction is that donaire will go on to make several more great fights and paydays while rigo spends the rest of his career trying to monetize this win but not being able to. he won on points but it was hardly a “domination” because he had no desire to engage and was happy to potshot from the angles. i almost felt rigo should have been deducted points for not engaging.

Posted April 14, 2013 9:12 am 

Olu G. Rotimi

I think one of the keys here as to where Rigondeaux should be placed pound for pound is to ask whether anybody else in the division could have done to Donaire what Rigondeaux did. Top 5 pound for pound.

Posted April 14, 2013 8:35 am 

Public Enemy

my prediction – = “Public Enemy
Just because Nonito has been taking out Mexicans faster then Chris ManBoobs Arreola can put away 100 taco Supremes doesn’t mean he can take out this Cuban… I think Rigo will out Box Nonito and Nonito will get a gift win from the Judges as we’ve seen so many times..” == Luckily Rigo wasn’t robbed but those close cards tell me they were about to steal it from him if he had not totally shut Nonito down and boxed his Ears off…

Posted April 14, 2013 8:25 am 

Public Enemy

tumbo’s prediction – “te tumbo – exceedingly labored analysis. i’ll just cut to the chase: Donaire by KO. the intensity of his pro-experience will sabotage and gradually dismantle Rigondeaux’s “measured” style. that’s for the amateurs. this is the PROs where KDs and 8-counts DO matter more than a scoring punch. Rigondeaux is conditioned to manage and contain for the duration, Donaire is conditioned to close the show, which he will. i’ve seen this “great” Cuban amateurs come apart at the seams before in less than gentlemanly or “measured” contests. i anticipate the same outcome in favor of Donaire in this matchup.”

Posted April 14, 2013 8:20 am 


this one is mine:
1. Rigo (he is just unearthly, not a human being. this is not boxing. this is some martial art in the ring :))
2. Marquez, Ward, Mayweather, Martinez
then a big gap :D

Posted April 14, 2013 8:11 am 

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