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Martinez doesn’t get by on his chin, and toughness, he gets by on his mobility and skill. It doesn’t take an iron chin to be champ, you just have to avoid getting hit. PW was NOT a PUNCHER at middleweight. As a matter of fact I wasn’t impressed with his act at middle weight. Just look at what Lara did to him. Martinez landed the punch of a lifetime on PW is all (see Hasim Rahman). Martinez claims no one wanted to fight him…expect for Pirrog. Martinez ducked that boy plain and simple.

Posted August 29, 2012 9:22 pm 


Zbik, and Rubio have better chins than Martinez! Margarito already ko’d him, and Chavez has more power than he does.

Posted August 29, 2012 9:14 pm 


Will he be allowed to fight with those Billy Bob teeth in??

Posted August 29, 2012 10:31 am 


This thread isn’t about Mayweather EITHER!! It’s about Martinez/Chavez Jr.!

Posted August 29, 2012 9:07 am 


Jr can’t ko zbik & Rubio how the he’ll is he suppose to ko a real elite p4p fighter??lol shows jr & most his fans are a joke just like him.PEDS & plastered gloves can’t even help in this fight,this has been a long time coming.Sergios not as old as people think look what a 39yr Marquez do to pac lol.You better believe Sergio will beat jr & possibly Floyd as well.Yes, the woman beater who got out early for good behavior….what?lol all bad.

Posted August 29, 2012 4:54 am 

Shadow Brawler

Maravilla’s record is real, “New” Chavez’s isn’t.

Posted August 29, 2012 12:28 am 


This thread isn’t about Pacquiao it’s about Chavez/Martinez. besides Ross Greenburg formerly of HBO sports already named Mayweather as the “ducker” between himself and Pacquiao. he called mayweather out on his lie when his team claimed that no one from his side was negotiating for a fight with Pacman last july (2011). Greenburg himself claimed that he was negotiating for Top rank with Al Haymon (who Mayweather himself claims represents him).

Posted August 29, 2012 12:02 am 


Chavez jr by ko around the 11rd. Martinez has already been ko’d once by Margarito, who even with loaded handwraps (though he didn’t need them for Martinez) doesn’t have the puncing power of Chavez. Bottom line, Martinez will crumble under Chavez’s pressure and power.

Posted August 28, 2012 11:50 pm 


Im leaning towards jr by late rd tko, cant wait

Posted August 28, 2012 10:46 pm 

The Mad Scientist

Sept.15 cant come soon enough..Chavez Jr ain’t scared of Martinez, the kid will go out there and do his thing..Im not sure who will win but I just don’t see this fight being an easy W by Martinez like some of you haters like to think..War Chavez!

Posted August 28, 2012 9:31 pm 


They are working in the US both of them but they do speak Spanish? Why? Here in EU we do learn two foreign languages plus our native language.

Posted August 28, 2012 7:51 pm 


I agree. Because right now Chavez hasn’t faced anyone who can help him climb the P4P rankings, and he wouldn’t be overstaying his welcome at 160 had he faced Martinez earlier, the only reason he’s fighting Martinez is because he knows he hasn’t fought the best at 160, and moving up without taking on Martinez (the best) would only add fuel to the hatred flame and everyone would call him a “ducker”, and rightfully so. You can’t claim to be the best in a division without fighting THE best. But I agree, I can’t wait and just want it to be a good fight, may the best man win.

Posted August 28, 2012 7:48 pm 

te tumbo

that’s precisely the career trajectory i anticipate for Chavez Jr. in fact, i he had assumed that mission before facing Martinez at 160lbs, he would’ve been bitterly criticized and condemned as a “cowardly ducker”. IMO, he’s already overstaying his welcome at 160lbs to face Martinez and please fight-fans, which will be the biggest advantage in favor of Martinez. the one thing i Don’t want to see is another weight-drained DLH v. Pacquiao* or Rios v. Abril performance. it will count but Suck big time. regardless of who wins, i want to see a very good scrap between two healthy opponents at full-strength

Posted August 28, 2012 7:25 pm 

te tumbo

Btw, not even Don King was able to convince Chavez Sr. to avoid the toughest challenges. Sr. fought EVERYbody across weight-classes and including risky showdowns (Mayweather, Rosario, Camacho, Taylor, etc.) and timely rematches. i’m assuming he’ll press his boy to do the same.

Posted August 28, 2012 7:19 pm 


That is true that Martinez has yet to defeat a P4P fighter, but that won’t change even if he beats Chavez…Chavez is good, but he’s NOT P4P worthy. I want to see him move up in weight and see him do well there, prove he can take on the best at 160 and 168 and win. Martinez is a small Middleweight and he’s proven himself to be the best there after doing well at 154. That’s what makes P4P fighters.

Posted August 28, 2012 7:17 pm 

te tumbo

i don’t think i can blame Arum for convincing Pacquiao* to hand over his balls and integrity and why should i? Pacquiao’s* just another sports figure not a blood relative that i might feel compelled to apologize for. accordingly, i blame Pacquiao* for being a willing and suspect accomplice who lacks the character to subordinate Arum to his presumed greatness. after all, his two primary P4P rivals are willing and available to fight this year but Pacquiao* STILL(?!?) can’t confirm a matchup? C’Monnn?!?

Posted August 28, 2012 7:17 pm 

te tumbo

i would pick Lee and Rubio to defeat Cintron or Macklin and i’ve always favored Jr. to defeat Pavlik or the overrated Williams. generally speaking, Martinez did defeat the “toughest” middles out there but on closer inspection, their are no P4Prs on Martinez’s ring-resume. in fact, the one and only P4Pr on Martinez’s ring-resume will be Chavez Jr. IF he manages to defeat Martinez.

Posted August 28, 2012 6:39 pm 


“maravilla” has no choice he must run if he stands in the center of the ring and fights like a man he will be knocked out he will run because he must run like a coyote

Posted August 28, 2012 6:38 pm 


Te Tumbo- I actually like the kid. For the son of a legend and for growing up with a plate full of food he has shown great desire, pride and determination to blaze his own path in a poor man’s sport. And he has definitely improved a lot over the past couple of years to the point where he is now worthy of serious consideration. And his chin and size give him a chance to hang around against anyone at 160. He gets a bad rap because of who he is, and definitely the weight controversy makes me wonder if he’s entirely clean, but hey, I won’t be quick to judge.
I still think Martinez will be too much for him, though. Jr is a slow starter and I get the feeling Martinez is going to jump on him early, discourage him and get a stoppage.

Posted August 28, 2012 6:37 pm 


I have no dislike for either guy. Martinez really showed contempt for Chavez on HBO – never saw that side of Maravilla. I am surprised that many of you are picking Chavez – just looking at level of competition, there is no comparison. Martinez has fought and beaten the toughest guys out there – Chavez beat Lee and Rubio. I hope it is competitive, but I think Martinez ko’s Chavez by the 5th.

Posted August 28, 2012 6:36 pm 


Well. You can blame Arum for that, and don’t think he won’t do that to Chavez…you heard Chavez tell Martinez, “well you didn’t generate money”. What’s that about? So, Chavez didn’t want to fight Martinez because he’s seeking big money fights? It’s all there. Just hope Chavez doesn’t allow it to happen.

Posted August 28, 2012 6:01 pm 


It’s only legacy deining if he goes on to build a legacy. He doesn’t have one now…..just a name and an alleged cheater.

Posted August 28, 2012 5:39 pm 

te tumbo

not for Pacquiao* and he has taken some Serious dumps on the sport. i actually liked Pacquiao* until it became obvious that he was a willing and suspect accomplice of Arum’s promotional antics, i.e., lack of eagerness to become legitimately great and a stubborn refusal to sign on the dotted line. now i Reeeally “hate” him . . . :twisted:

Posted August 28, 2012 5:38 pm 


But there were threats and his car was vandalized…who did it? We don’t know. But that isn’t something Martinez wants in the back of his head leading into this bout. NO ONE does, I wouldn’t want anything to distract EITHER of them. I want them at their very best and 100% focused, that’s the ONLY way we’ll know who the better man is.

Posted August 28, 2012 5:17 pm 


I never really cared for Chavez, I cared even less as he “won” a title and was allowed to “learn” and progress before he ever stepped foot in the ring with an elite (still hasn’t, Martinez is the “elite”). But I by no means “hate” Chavez, there is a slight dislike for him that is slowly fading due to eagerness to become great and the fact that he signed the dotted line. I simply want Martinez to win because I think he’s awesome and I like watching him fight, that’s it. But as for the hatred for Chavez, I agree that most of it is unwarranted and is flat out DUMB and unnecessary. But you get that EVERYWHERE on the web.

Posted August 28, 2012 5:16 pm 


yes te tumbo, it is a lot of stupidity by people who don’t know how long 3 minutes is, chavez used the the advanteges he has, although the drug test thing is bad, arum and suliman have abolutely shame. prediction, martinez by decision, but they steal it from him, but thats not chaves’s fault, like it wasn’t a lot of money making names in the past…. king don

Posted August 28, 2012 5:09 pm 


I never said he’s one of the best “ever”, I am simply saying that he was exuding confidence in their Face Off, he was far from arrogant…what he said about Chavez’s rise was 100% accurate, he said what most knew all along. There was no real “trash talk”, other than Chavez calling him a ballerina and Martinez calling Chavez a chicken. Other than that, they were professional and did a great job at pumping ME up, that’s for sure.

Posted August 28, 2012 5:02 pm 


If Chavez sees the punching coming, he may take it, but for how long? and what happens when he’s hit with punches he doesn’t see? Over and over and over. That’s the question. No doubt he has a good chin (“el mejor quijada), but how many fast and accurate punchers has he faced? NONE!

Posted August 28, 2012 4:57 pm 

te tumbo

anyway, the intense dislike for Jr. expressed by some posters on this thread is completely out of proportion with Jr’s. modest stature in the sport. he’s eliminated every contender on his way to Martinez’s doorstep. what’s not to like? instead, there’s a fierce desire to watch him not only be defeated but “viciously” eliminated from the sport altogether (lol). bottomline, simply can’t trust the objectivity of these hysterical posts but i will enjoy the bitter dejection of these same posters the morning after Jr. defeats Martinez. an outcome i become more confident of the closer we get to September 15.

Posted August 28, 2012 4:55 pm 


You are whatching too many movies. You martinez fans, nobody wins fights talking trash.

Posted August 28, 2012 4:52 pm 

te tumbo

bomb threats? hit squads? poisoning? cartels? terrorism? has Rumsfeld taken over the publicity department for Team Martinez? (lol) otherwise, talk about shrill hysteria(?!). the only thing not mentioned was WMDs.

Posted August 28, 2012 4:46 pm 

te tumbo

you’re overestimating Martinez. he’s the best middleweight of today but he’s “by far (miles)” from being among the best middles ever. that’s all Jr. has to worry about. in fact (and according to all of Jr’s. detractors), a win v. Jr. won’t elevate Martinez’s stature a single bit. a “stay-busy” fight for Martinez. a legacy-defining bout for Jr.

Posted August 28, 2012 4:38 pm 

te tumbo

it’s only “trash” if Chavez Jr. didn’t mean it. otherwise, stating his goal of ending Martinez’s career in Brutal and Punishing fashion is simply stating the obvious. there IS no other way that Chavez Jr. can win this fight and he needs to publicly declare and embrace this mission. Martinez is no brawler and the prospect of a punishing and sustained brawl v. the bigger, stronger, and younger Jr. is the scenario that will concern him most. in fact, if and when Martinez lands flush with no reaction from Jr., THAT will be the “Aw-S**t?!” moment for Martinez and the turning point in Jr’s. favor.

Posted August 28, 2012 4:34 pm 


Chavez is starting to believe his own hype. He has proved, but he’s still not good enough. I hope Martinez gives him a vicious, brutal brutal beating. Chavez Jr. will get exposed.

Posted August 28, 2012 4:28 pm 


I believe that Chavez’s need to “boil down” will be an advantage for Martinez, in the later rounds. BUT, if Chavez can make his size and strength count early on, he may be able to handle a “weakening” Martinez while he himself fades due to making/cutting weight. It’s an interesting bout to say the least. I cannot wait.

Posted August 28, 2012 3:37 pm 


“too aggressive” is PERFECT for Martinez, hopefully he does, that’ll enable Martinez to catch him coming in with a shot he doesn’t see….ala P-Will nighty night.

Posted August 28, 2012 3:34 pm 


He looks creepy in general, that hair cut and those side burns aren’t working…AT ALL! Homie needs a makeover.

Posted August 28, 2012 3:33 pm 


Of course Chavez respects Martinez…he MUST, this is by far (miles) the most dangerous fighter Chavez will have ever fought. Martinez is classy and isn’t at all “arrogant”, you want arrogance, watch an interview with Floyd Mayweather, he’s the EPITOME of arrogance. Martinez is simply 100% confident in his ability and he believes he will beat Chavez. If Chavez can’t bare the same level of confidence then that’s his problem. He “should” be predicting destruction, but maybe he’s not sold on the fact that he can execute.

Posted August 28, 2012 3:31 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie…

LMAO! The “faceoff sucked”, Martinez showed too much class, and carried his belt with dignity. You may want to head on over to professional wrestling or even old broadcasts of Jerry Springer to get your trash fix.

Posted August 28, 2012 3:13 pm 

te tumbo

Martinez being an undersized middleweight is his choice. otherwise, i can’t recall a single prominent middle only gaining 5lbs between weigh-in and fight-night. in fact, Chavez Jr. boiling himself down to 160lbs is a huge advantage for Martinez. a factor that “experts” and pedestrian fans alike would rather not mention. anyway, i’ve seen Margarito, Cintron, and Williams alternately walk down, sting, and Deck Martinez. he’s not invincible. simply a crafty and dangerous southpaw able to exploit the less-experienced. Btw, the “faceoff” Sucked. Jr. is being too respectful and Martinez already assuming the arrogant and conceited posture that Argentines are notorious for. Jr. should simply guarantee that he’s going to end Martinez’s career in Brutal and Unrelenting fashion. after all, it’s the only fight-plan and performance that will defeat and intimidate Martinez in the first place.

Posted August 28, 2012 3:06 pm 

It’s Me, Ernie…

WBC-We Be Criminals

Posted August 28, 2012 2:55 pm 


He nearly changed into the Hulk at the face off, he will come fight night and although Marvilla is far more skillfull el Diablo Chavez just might be too big and aggressive.

Posted August 28, 2012 2:53 pm 

angel of death

chavez looks like a jew he looks like dmitry salita he got away with his drug ting and cant make weight for fights play the game proffessionally chavez is complete utter failure not an example to the boxing world
he is a megatronic tatti with chanoona up his bund
peace out

Posted August 28, 2012 2:31 pm 

Earl St. Jon

War Martinez, this fight is like class warefare.

Posted August 28, 2012 2:22 pm 


This whole re-hydration thing has been an issue for years, I don’t think it’ll be solved anytime soon, too much money to be made. Anyways! The Face Off was one of my all time favorites, Spanish is such a beautiful language and they’re “smack talk” was intense and it made for GREAT TV, I thoroughly enjoyed every second. My favorite line was when Kellerman asked them to stand next to each other, Chavez then agreed his size would be a factor, only for Martinez to reply with “My history makes me much bigger”….OOOH WEEEE!!! I can’t wait.

Posted August 28, 2012 2:18 pm 


Damn, Chavez is one ugly muthaf.

I’m looking forward to this fight, hope Matrinez knocks him on his a, but the weight difference is very worrying.

Posted August 28, 2012 2:08 pm 

Prof Konje

Because the WBC does not have a rehydration rule is only one reason why boxing must have one authority, one voice, one governing body. If Chavez consistently cannot keep his weight to the 160 lb limit, then he should move up to another weight division (or two). To many boxing fans, Chavez is a coward and as much a cheater as Margarito or anyone who uses PEDs. I sincerely hope that Martinez knocks his fat ass out!!!!

Posted August 28, 2012 1:42 pm 

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