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JREDMOND (Seans dad)

Now listen here squared lion whatever, you leave my boy alone. We bought him an Atari for he birthday.

Posted June 26, 2014 5:15 pm 


JREDMOND (Seans dad)

Oh I gotta get me in on this.

Guys you know one day, my boy photoshopped his own head onto a picture of Floyd, then jerked off over it.

His mama was so ashamed I tell you. She took out her broom and whup that boy ALL OVER THE HOUSE.

Posted June 26, 2014 4:01 am 


Boxtradamus

“we can talk about why your prediction for Gamboa/Crawford went terribly wrong…LOL”-Nope. We’ll be talking about why MY prediction was terrifically CORRECT.

Posted June 25, 2014 9:18 pm 


Boxtradamus

“My guess is that you won’t call into the show because you won’t want to get exposed for having an obvious lack of insight.”-And that’s why GUESSING is LESSER than KNOWING. I will GLADLY call in and expose MY PLETHORA of insight. And YOU will be verbally SPANKED by it.

Posted June 25, 2014 9:16 pm 


Boxtradamus

“If you really want to test your boxing prowess, why don’t you join me on next Sunday night’s program…no Ronnie or Gogue, just you and I talking about boxing during the first segment.”-I don’t want to or need to test MY Boxing prowess because I’ve already been put to the test and I PASSED with FLYING COLORS!! But I WILL put YOUR Boxing prowess to the test. SO prepare to be tested by the PROFESSOR of Boxing.

Posted June 25, 2014 9:11 pm 


Boxtradamus

“Oh my goodness…I don’t even know what to say about your comment, except that it’s blatantly obvious that you really don’t know what you’re talking about.”-And that’s why you shouldn’t have SAID anything at ALL. Because when you DID it became obvious that you need to work on your comprehension SKILLS. I KNOW what I’m talking about and I can demonstrate it. SO go take a COMPREHENSION class.

Posted June 25, 2014 9:07 pm 


te tumbo

“Bobick was too stupid to be afraid of Norton. That’s when an intelligent dose of fear would have come in handy”. according to Joey, that’s not possible. fighters don’t know the meaning of fear and go into every matchup with 100% certainty of winning and 0% anxiety about walking away from a fight v. any opponent without any permanent damage. “ignorance IS bliss”(?!). otherwise, a B-side fighter might fear for their physical safety in a mismatch v. the likes of Norton or Iron Mike.

Posted June 25, 2014 8:13 pm 


Mehrzad

BEARS what’s YOUR facebook profile???? It’s easy to hide behind anonymity and saying things like “sredmonds ugly as hell and he started yelling claiming his facebook was hacked!!!”

Posted June 25, 2014 7:35 pm 


TARK

The Gatekeeper guffaws.., “Larry Holmes looked terrified of Tyson and petrified against Duane Bobick.”

Holmes weighed about 180, and fought Bobick when Larry had like 12 amateur fights and Bobick had 100 fights and weighed 208.. put things into context you idiot.. Ali lost amateur fights as well you dumb fuk… like in the Pan Am Trials, Amos Johnson beat the shlt out of Ali.

Bobick was too stupid to be afraid of Norton. That’s when an intelligent dose of fear would have come in handy.

Such as in: “You want me to fight Norton? Hell NO!!! Get me Alfredo Evangelista or Richard Dunn — or a rematch with Chuck Wepner.” … all the bums Ali feasted on.

Posted June 25, 2014 6:40 pm 


eric

We all get carried away with emotion and say dumb insensitive stuff, well at least most of us.

Posted June 25, 2014 5:02 pm 


BEARS

sredmond use to attach his email to his posts they use to have that option on east side when he first stsrted coming here in 2011.

an old timer use to come here typed it into facebook and found sredmond.

it was so funny. sredmonds ugly as hell and he started yelling claiming his facebook was hacked!!!

soooooo funnny dude!!!!

Posted June 25, 2014 3:44 pm 


esb jerk

What is Sredmond’s Facebook ID ????

Posted June 25, 2014 2:54 pm 


eric

I just want to be clear on one thing, I’m not suggesting fighters are scared in general but only in certain circumstances. In general I do not belive fighters are scared.

Posted June 25, 2014 2:16 pm 


dino

“oh the posts about Redmonds pants…..….. I remember it well ……..…. It was nasty to post redmond’s facebook profile on esb.”

that was funny! hahahahahaha

Posted June 25, 2014 2:07 pm 


eric

Anonymous what your saying is ridiculous, you have falling into the intoxication of folklore, fantasy lands of unicorns and Western myths.

To completely turn of millions of years of human emotion is very difficult.

I did say after the fighters are in the ring and get into the fight those jitters go away.

To belive no fighter has ever been scared on the ring walk is beyond ludicrous and is impossible.

That’s a naive and crazy belief lol.

But okay fellas you can have the last word.

Posted June 25, 2014 2:06 pm 


Joseph Herron

eric: “And Joseph, I’m certain that all boxers are tuff sobs, no doubts about that, but not 100% fearless all the time.
I ll give you the last word”

Just like your friend the skydiver, when it comes to something they’ve done a million times in the gym and several times for free with no gloves on, none of these guys fear anyone in the ring with protective gloves on.

They don’t perceive the sport the way most fans do…it’s no big deal to these guys.

That’s the truth.

Posted June 25, 2014 2:04 pm 


Anonymous

oh the posts about Redmonds pants…..….. I remember it well ……..…. It was nasty to post redmond’s facebook profile on esb.

Posted June 25, 2014 2:01 pm 


Joseph Herron

Bears “you know what. i have been lookin and i have not been diggin it. the card is not very appealing to me.”

Welcome to thee wonderful world of Al Haymon mismatches!!

This is why Ken Hershman didn’t want to work with Haymon any longer…do you remember when Al used to do this Ross Greenburg at HBO? Sell him a bunch of one sided mismatches?

It’s garbage!! I’m with you, this fight card sucks!!

Posted June 25, 2014 2:01 pm 


eric

And Joseph, I’m certain that all boxers are tuff sobs, no doubts about that, but not 100% fearless all the time.

I ll give you the last word

Posted June 25, 2014 1:58 pm 


Anonymous

Eric: “How many time did we hear mike tyson already had the fight half won even before the opening bell because his opponent was scared Sh! Tless ?”

Consider the source, brother.

Face it…you like a lot of other fight fans and fighters of that era fell into the hype that Tyson was indeed “The Baddest Man on the Planet”.

Because that wasn’t the truth…no fighters are afraid of any other man in the ring…sorry, brother

Posted June 25, 2014 1:58 pm 


eric

In order to have fear of losing to mike tyson would be a derivative of the primary fear of mike tyson.

If one did not fear mike tyson in the first place most likely they would not fear losing to mike tyson.

Fear is a natural human emotion build into humans and animals thru evolution for survival purposes, only in the human psyc… is it considered a weakness, ego and I want to be a badazz makes people not be honest.

Sure a confident individual with alot of experience and natural talent will be less likely to exhibit fear under normal circumstances but when taken out of their comfort zone, like fighting un undefeated mad man like tyson was a different situation.

A long time friend of mind has been jumping out of airplanes for as long as I can remember, after 300 jumps or so he was pretty comfortable doing something as dangerous as that but when did his first base jump on a windy day risking hiting the cliff face he admitted to being out of his element, as result he was frightened.

How many time did we hear mike tyson already had the fight half won even before the opening bell because his opponent was scared Sh! Tless ?

Posted June 25, 2014 1:49 pm 


SREDMOND EQUALS

NO JOB
NO WIFE
NO FAMILY
NO CAREER
NO DEGREE
NO HOUSE
NO LIFE

That is how you fail at life.

Then pretend New York City is a place everyone wants to be. ROFLMAO. Who pretends that? Immigrants?

Posted June 25, 2014 12:34 pm 


SREDMOND

Squared Circle, I don’t “Claim” anything when You, Bears and my other internet stalkers sought out information regarding me you found out some of the things I am involved in… Sucking up to Bears is REALLY sad he is TRULY a mindless follower who’s only original thoughts are BEYOND dumb… You on the other hand are a VERY meek persona who uses false bravado and bluster that works on some of these online weaklings whereas I see the insecurity.. You have issues MORE than one challenge for people to fly to Arizona and fight you, you discussed coming to Brooklyn around the time a fight was going on at the Barclays I offered to meet you, not for any fisticuffs but to hear your grievances and SUDDENLY you became FEARFUL of Brooklyn and an area that is one of the more expensive in NYC and by extension the Country… Moral to the story you are a proven COWARD and F*G that relies on pats on the back from a card carrying imbecile and failed American like Bears who is too busy having kids out of wedlock to even finish College which is pretty basic in 2014…Holla!

Posted June 25, 2014 10:32 am 


BEARS

im kind of dissapointed in this weeks fight card. after herrera did well against garcia many people felt herrera won. peterson got his block knocked off by mathyse.

i like mathyse. i would have liked to have seen him get a rematch with garcia this year. i think mathyse can beat garcia.

there are a ton of 140 pounders i would rather watch than peterson and the guy he is fighting.

these matchups are both absolutely horrible to me and should be foregone conclusions. essentially, its a “hey look at me” card for garcia and peterson.

you know what. i have been lookin and i have not been diggin it. the card is not very appealing to me.

also not appealing to me is garcia vs peterson. i would rather watch these guys fight postal and algieri. lol

seriously

Posted June 25, 2014 4:41 am 


TARK

The Gatekeeper… I didn’t call Ken Norton a bum you idiot.

Dunn, Coopman, Lubbers, Wepner, and London were bums

Holmes won his first 48 fights in a row…

including 21 World Heavyweight Championship Fights…

Guys who Ali couldn’t even knock down, such as: Alfredo Evangelista and Leon Spinks… Holmes knocked stiff.

Larry Holmes beat Ernie Shavers… Ken Norton… Gerry Cooney… Muhammad Ali… Mike Weaver… Bonecrusher Smith… Tim Witherspoon… Marvis Frazier… and Ray Mercer… Need I say more???

And if you tell me Marvis Frazier was a bum, ask Joe Bugner, Quick Tillis, and BoneCrusher Smith — because Marvis beat them

Posted June 25, 2014 3:31 am 


Anonymous

BEARS:: “for all the smack te tumbo talks he should back it up and call in or it is weak sauce. i need to try callin in myself and following the show closely. i have not been able to”

I hope you do call in this Sunday night for the post fight examination, Bears…Before I speak with trainer Ronnie Shields, I always have 40 minutes designated for my own commentary.

We’ll let you on the show during my segment…718-506-1506…9PM EST on Sunday

Posted June 25, 2014 3:05 am 


BEARS

for all the smack te tumbo talks he should back it up and call in or it is weak sauce. i need to try callin in myself and following the show closely. i have not been able to

Posted June 25, 2014 2:53 am 


Anonymous

Boxtradamus: “Don’t have MUCH time to post because I’m a very busy MAN nowadays but YES Herron I will call in and verbally SPANK you. I just ask that you don’t take it personally. Its all in FUN.”

LOL…Just don’t give me any “dummy” punches and we’ll be fine!! LOL

It would be all in fun, brother

Posted June 25, 2014 2:37 am 


Boxtradamus

Don’t have MUCH time to post because I’m a very busy MAN nowadays but YES Herron I will call in and verbally SPANK you. I just ask that you don’t take it personally. Its all in FUN.

Posted June 25, 2014 2:26 am 


The Gatekeeper

Larry Holmes looked terrified of Tyson and petrified against Duane Bobick.

Holmes fought a grand total of ONE contender ( Shavers , who Tark keeps telling us is a bum ) before being gifted a shot at a vacant title with the bum ( TARKs words ) Ken Norton. Holmes struggled to beat the bum Norton then fought without a doubt the worst line up of contenders in heavyweight history. Evangelists , Lorenzo Zanon , Scott Frank etc .

Posted June 25, 2014 2:20 am 


Turb0-H@mster the Sunbro

Touche

Posted June 25, 2014 1:43 am 


TARK

I call it the Boxtradamus effect

Posted June 25, 2014 12:24 am 


Turb0-H@mster saluting the Suarez nibble

Incompetent people overestimate their ability at everything – it`s called the Dunning-kruger effect

Posted June 24, 2014 11:55 pm 


TARK

Fear comes from not having skills..

If you were a bull rider… or a rock climber… or a tightwire walker… or a trapeze artist… or a or a human wing flyer… or a base jumper… or a trampoline artist… or a cliff diver… or a hang glider… or a chainsaw juggler… or a stunt flyer… or a sky diver… or a fire eater… or a bronko buster… or a steer wrestler… or an MMA player… or a big game hunter… or a motorcycle jumper… and you didn’t have great skill at it, you’d be frightened … Having courage without skills would be foolhardy. You wouldn’t want that.

Often people overestimate their skills in doing something dangerous.. That can be deadly.

When you’re feeling really confident — that’s when you should reassess where your skills are and where you need help.

Posted June 24, 2014 11:25 pm 


Turb0-H@mster saluting the Suarez nibble

First amateur fight I ever had I vomited twice in the hour leading up to it. If someone had told me my opponent had pulled out I`d have been delighted.

Not fear per se of pain or permanent damage, more that perhaps I just really really wasn`t supposed to be there – that maybe I was actually incompetent, and everyone had been humouring me and I was about to get embarassed.

Even once it started after an initial exchange I`d ended up in a southpaw stance, and didn`t switch back because I couldn`t think properly.

But what can you do – life is full of things you could fear, but you have to do them anyway, and you don`t get any better by not doing something, so you suck it up and do it anyway.

No other fights generated that same terror in me, and by the time someone becomes a hardened pro, I can`t imagine any fight REALLY scares them physically.

Posted June 24, 2014 10:02 pm 


BEARS

a warrior is a warrior it is pretty antithetical for a warrior to be scared or fear. pre game gitters nervousness anxiety is not fear.

i think the point has been made cogently by joe regarding records and resumes. i agree and have been saying something like it. joes take on it had more depth than i even thought of.

of course examining greatness or comparing greats your facoring in “body of work” a phrase i have been saying in defense of wlad against sredmonds attacks concerning wlads losses.

joe made some great points about records and resumes.

sredmond said something about not being able to take joe seriously. i would think that would be sredmonds position. afterall, sredmond has been BRANDED nuts by joe. any other position would be illogical

Posted June 24, 2014 9:38 pm 


te tumbo

“Fear of Mike, or fear of losing?” Fear of experiencing severe and permanent physical damage. what micro-classification of fear is that? besides basic and fundamental FEAR.

Posted June 24, 2014 8:59 pm 


Turb0-H@mster saluting the Suarez nibble

Akinwande seemed to be pretty fearful of Lewis in the ring.

Posted June 24, 2014 8:57 pm 


Joseph Herron

eric: “Joseph, seeing your a boxing historian lets take a trip back to when when mike tyson was in his prime and in beast/destruction mode, in your expert opinion would you say no pro- boxer that steps into the ring with tyson at the time had any fear ?”

Fear of Mike, or fear of losing? Those are two completely different concepts. There are several fighters who have a fear of losing their perfect resume or not having an impressive performance on network television, but that is very different than actually being afraid of a fighter.

I’ve never met a fighter who truly fears another man in the ring.

Posted June 24, 2014 8:43 pm 


eric

I’d love to chat more but I gota bust that booty fella s.

Posted June 24, 2014 8:25 pm 


Turb0-H@mster saluting the Suarez nibble

SREDMOND……true reputation may be built over time but your reputation doesn`t fight for you though.

Otherwise Tyson would have beaten Douglas.

Posted June 24, 2014 8:25 pm 


eric

Joseph, seeing your a boxing historian lets take a trip back to when when mike tyson was in his prime and in beast/destruction mode, in your expert opinion would you say no pro- boxer that steps into the ring with tyson at the time had any fear ?

Posted June 24, 2014 8:22 pm 


eric

Sredmen, I do belive the subject in question is, was Wladmir out of shape in the Brewster fight not was it Wladmir s fault he was out of shape, we all know it was Wladmir fault he was out of shape.

Posted June 24, 2014 8:18 pm 


Joseph Herron

te tumbo: “you know it’s true JOEY. i express my candid opinion of Lomachenko and you respond with some version of “ignorance is bliss” as IF you knew better.”

From what I’ve ascertained from your posts, I do know better…if you actually knew what you were talking about, you would hold your judgment a little closer to the vest instead of incriminating this guy for having a record of 2-1.

My boxing knowledge comes from trainers who I’ve worked with and have learned from, who continuously teach the sport to most prolific fighters competing in the sport today.

I agree with you that most boxing writers wouldn’t know a left hook from a fish hook, but I’m not one of those guys.

I take great pride in my understanding of the technical points of boxing, as well as the business side of the sport.

Very few boxing writers understand either one.

Posted June 24, 2014 7:44 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tumbo: “you can be the most talented boxer in the world but mental and physical durability is what determines a fighter’s success at the pro level”

Very good!! You must have listened to the show on Sunday, because I said the exact same thing when talking about Gary Russell Jr. and Vasyl Lomachenko.

Posted June 24, 2014 7:38 pm 


te tumbo

you know it’s true JOEY. i express my candid opinion of Lomachenko and you respond with some version of “ignorance is bliss” as IF you knew better. you don’t and didn’t, e.g., Salido defeated Lomachenko for precisely the reasons i cited and you didn’t. Btw, why aren’t you clamoring for a rematch v. Salido? i’ll tell you why: you now know better, thanks to Me.

Posted June 24, 2014 7:36 pm 


te tumbo

there have been plenty of talented amateurs and prospects who lacked the mental strength and physical durability to succeed as pros. in fact, mental strength without notable talent or skills has sustained plenty of pro-fighters but it doesn’t work the other way around. you can be the most talented boxer in the world but mental and physical durability is what determines a fighter’s success at the pro level and that is captured and documented by their ring-resume, which includes quality of competition; response to wins and losses; and sustained level of activity. at which point, amateur experience becomes a footnote NOT determining factor but you have to be a knowledgeable fight-fan to know this.

Posted June 24, 2014 7:32 pm 


Joseph Herron

Te Tumbo: “unfortunately, Joey never got the memo. otherwise, condescending responses to divergent viewpoints that don’t defer to his “insider knowledge” is what you can expect.”

Okay, fanboy…LOL

Posted June 24, 2014 7:30 pm 


te tumbo

“There’s no need to down play other’s knowledge because of their opposite view points”. unfortunately, Joey never got the memo. otherwise, condescending responses to divergent viewpoints that don’t defer to his “insider knowledge” is what you can expect. too bad Joey’s “insider knowledge” rarely translates into accurate pre- or post-fight analyses or even a heads-up about fight-related issues that Joey failed to anticipate. consequently, he’s been just as surprised as the rest of us when these issues became fight-night factors. so much for “insider knowledge” that consists of chasing down and interviewing fighters, trainers, and promoters, i.e., access does not translate into “knowledge”. besides, fighters frequently don’t know WTF they’re talking about and trainers and promoters are consummate liars.

“You have no idea what joy it would bring me to embarrass you on the air”. you’ve only managed to embarrass yourself in this forum. i don’t know how the addition of your nasally-voice will add to the veracity of your amateurish observations. besides, i take no joy in exposing your vacuous self-importance or desperation to impress the likes of me. note that I feel absolutely no impulse to impress or convince the likes of you. however, you have planted yourself squarely in the center of my favorite sport, which makes you subject to my opinion of the quality of your work. after all, if it weren’t for fight-fans like myself, you wouldn’t have any sport to work with. Remember-That. You Owe Us. We Owe You TBD at a later date based on what you contributed to the sport NOT the size of your inflated head.

Posted June 24, 2014 7:24 pm 


Turb0-H@mster saluting the Suarez nibble

Re resumes – I think people are just looking at it from different angles.

Of course a resume allows you to judge a fighter – it is a solid record of accomplishments.

But Herron is accurate in that it isn`t a solid record of skill, because it fails to reflect the differing levels of opportunity.

Were boxing fought in a league system, the standing and resume would be very reflective, but if anything it is more akin to a knockout tournament, and lets be honest the first thing people do when there is a knockout tournament is look at who has the easiest draw. If you have a disparity in financial power that can buy an easier draw, then everything gets skewed.

Posted June 24, 2014 6:29 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tomato Can: “But some posters here are completely dismissive of the talents of certain fighters while at the same time totally hyped on others with much less ring accomplishments. That’s not a good practice since in boxing one fight can change a career for good…”

Thanks for the recognition, TC…much appreciated.

Fight fans don’t want to be reminded of the business aspect of the sport, and that’s a great thing. As a result, most fight fans will view the sport like passionate fans…which is a healthy way of viewing the sport.

That’s why I really don’t like butting heads with anyone on this comment board because it’s not a fair fight. I have a great amount of respect for everyone’s opinion, but I am privy to a lot of factors that most fans don’t even consider.

It becomes exhausting and very tedious when certain posters on this board seem to debate for the sake of debate without really taking into consideration what’s actually been said.

Posted June 24, 2014 5:12 pm 


Tomato Can

I guage a lot of my picks based on each fighters resume. But more than that you have to look at how the over all styles of each fighter is going to mesh with one another.

Posted June 24, 2014 5:01 pm 


Tomato Can

Joseph knows his stuff. I think most of us that have been following boxing for years know more than most. There’s no need to down play other’s knowledge because of their opposite view points. But some posters here are completely dismissive of the talents of certain fighters while at the same time totally hyped on others with much less ring accomplishments. That’s not a good practice since in boxing one fight can change a career for good…

Posted June 24, 2014 4:53 pm 


Joseph Herron

Tumbo: “that’s just a small sample of how badly i would embarrass you on your radio show and if i ever don’t have anything more interesting to do like clip my toenails, i will do so. on some Sunday. Tbd by me NOT you.”

Yet you always seem to find the time to throw in your two bits all day, every day on this comment board…LOL

Look, brother…you rationalize everything in boxing world like a fan…which is great!! The sport needs more die hard fans like yourself. That’s awesome. But resumes, records, titles, and rankings really don’t say very much when analyzing an individual fighter. Styles make fights…opportunities make stars.

There are so many talented fighters within the boxing community who will never get the opportunities that they deserve because of politics, ignorance, or injury.

Look at a fighter Like Guillermo Rigondeaux for example…he is one of the best technical fighters which you will more than likely see within your lifetime.

But will he receive the same opportunities that a fighter like Brandon Rios will more than likely receive before he retires? The same amount of chances to prove his mettle on the biggest stages of boxing? Probably not…because Rigo is not a ticket seller and his style isn’t the most pleasing to the mainstream or casual fan, he will have a very hard time receiving the same big match-up opportunities as a fighter like Leo Santa Cruz.

As a result, each fighter’s respective resumes and records wouldn’t be an accurate indication of their skills and abilities in the ring. The sport is a business…fans don’t want to be reminded of that, but it’s the hard reality of boxing.

Boxing isn’t a sport…it’s an a$$ beating, brutal business, which you clearly don’t know anything about.

You have no idea what joy it would bring me to embarrass you on the air. 718-506-1506

Posted June 24, 2014 4:42 pm 


SREDMOND

The idea that Herron puts himself out there as a man with boxing knowledge yet considers “resumes” the stuff of amateurs is truly an indictment of his own opinion in regards to boxing.. THAT is being a “Fanboy” paying no heed to the quality of the boxers a guy beats is ridiculous….Lomanchenko might be a GREAT pro, I have NO clue until he proves it, but it is STRIKING that despite one loss in 397 amateur bouts, he has 1 loss in 3 PRO bouts again this is NOT the amateurs, just like a GREAT college player is not a lock to dominate in the Pro’s… Facing Journeyman who fight part time and lay concrete the rest of the time is not the same as dealing with dedicated professionals with strength coaches, nutritionists, top trainers and World Class experience… Unless of course you are Joseph Herron who considers boxing “A Fantasy”

Posted June 24, 2014 4:41 pm 


te tumbo

“You don’t know any prizefighters on a personal level, do you?” i’ve met plenty of prizefighters and decided that i did NOT want to know them on a personal level. perhaps it’s because i met them in non-boxing-related circumstances and i don’t respect any man who can’t handle his liquor (or worse). consequently, prizefighters have never occupied any pedestal in my universe, which is perhaps a reflection of the way Mexican society in general regards prizefighters: entertainers who owe us our money’s worth NOT saints or superstars worthy of parades, national holidays, or even honorary titles, never mind official political office. Get with the program, JOEY. your passion for individual fighters instead of the sport is what most distinguishes you as a shill and fanboy.

Posted June 24, 2014 4:35 pm 


SREDMOND

Mayweather is a target because he has done something that MOST of these guys cannot do which is stay undefeated.. And usually the loss does not occur against some unbeatable guy ie (Loma losing to Salido) all it take is ONE off night, but a guy who has lost 22 World Championship fights is truly something special… So SUDDENLY Floyd is just simply scared to lose and be like EVERYONE else, when the fact is that ANY of these boxers at this level could have clipped him if he was not on top of his game.. A single clean headshot from Cotto or Canelo can end anyones night but because the 37 year old won’t leave his chin open like Manny he is “Scared” to lose… That’s silly, the man is paid so well because he WINS….

Posted June 24, 2014 4:35 pm 


te tumbo

“I not the fanboy who is looking at records or resume to justify why or why not Lomachenko is credible”. if you don’t calculate body of ringwork into your estimation of a fighter’s status, you simply don’t know Boxing. experience and sustained success v. consistently quality comp is what results in mastery and ATGreatness. you think Marquez is the same fighter today that he was the first time he entered a boxing ring? of course not and it’s a direct result of the body-of-work he’s accumulated as a pro. meanwhile, let me provide you with a brief boxing history lesson. 1984. L.A. Olympic games. the moment i crossed the threshold from fan of boxing to serious fight-fan. i couldn’t imagine how any of the 84′ medalists wouldn’t attain professional boxing greatness. at this point, do your own homework and learn how extraordinary amateur talent is anything but a guarantee of professional success. even if you were the fighter to eliminate Mike Tyson during the Olympic trials. that didn’t prevent Iron Mike from KOing Tillman as a pro or gold medalist Biggs for good measure. as you begin to learn the sport, you’ll realize how even the most extraordinary amateur talent is subject to wilting under the professional heat of a rough, tough, and hard-to-snuff professional like Salido with NO amateur creds to speak of. that’s just a small sample of how badly i would embarrass you on your radio show and if i ever don’t have anything more interesting to do like clip my toenails, i will do so. on some Sunday. Tbd by me NOT you.

Posted June 24, 2014 4:18 pm 


SREDMOND

Joseph, the fact that you are deriding a person for not fully buying into ANY fighter after one Great performance is very bandwagon oriented and lazy… If Lomanchenko is gonna be a BIG deal in boxing he will be able to replicate strong results against escalating competition (I know resumes don’t matter to you) you basically ASK that a person focus ONLY on his performance against Russell, but ignore his performance against a fighter like Salido? that’s the DOWNSIDE of looking at any guy on a fight by fight basis and ignores how a REAL reputation is built over time…

Posted June 24, 2014 4:13 pm 


Joseph Herron

Te Tumbo: “Joey simply doesn’t know the sport of boxing that well or the fear that accompanies any and every personal and physical confrontation. boxing and otherwise.”

You don’t know any prizefighters on a personal level, do you?

I do…none of these guys truly fear any other man…which is completely different than fearing a loss on their respective resume.

Those are two completely different concepts.

You have no idea what you’re talking about, Tumbo.

Please call into my show this Sunday night so we can verbally spar in front of the tens of thousands of listeners around the world.

It will be on archive as well, so you can replay me spanking you live for everyone to hear…LOL 718-506-1506

Posted June 24, 2014 4:06 pm 


eric

No hard feelings this way even to you sredmen, peace.

Posted June 24, 2014 4:05 pm 


Tomato Can

Bruce Seldon/Mike Tyson???

Posted June 24, 2014 4:03 pm 


te tumbo

“No fighters are afraid of any other man in the sport of boxing…if they were, they wouldn’t be prizefighters”. utter BullSh*t. you gonna tell me that Hearns didn’t fear a prime Hagler? or that Spinks wasn’t scared sh*tless of Iron Mike? how many times have we witnessed fighters taking questionable knees or simply not getting back up even when it’s obvious that they could have continued? accepting a payday in SPITE of the fear takes courage but it also begins with fear. otherwise, i guess no fighter in boxing history has ever avoided another fighter for fear of a public loss? or avoided rematches following a controversial win? anybody and everybody close to the fight-game acknowledges that fear is a primary motivator among fighters. Joey simply doesn’t know the sport of boxing that well or the fear that accompanies any and every personal and physical confrontation. boxing and otherwise.

Posted June 24, 2014 4:02 pm 


eric

Joseph I do understand what you are saying and belive that all fighters have the courage to step in the ring but not being a littlle scared and having the courage to over come your emotions is two different things.

All boxers are courageous men no doubt but to say no fighter has ever been scared/nervous is overreaching to say the least.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:58 pm 


te tumbo

JOEY, your “creds” only matter in the little fantasy world that you’ve created for yourself and more power to you. far be it from me to tell somebody they “can’t” do something they set out to accomplish but from a fight-fan’s pov, your bona-fides ring distinctly hollow and your swooning regard for Lomachenko is premature, speculative, and not very original. in fact, you don’t seem to have an original thought in your brain, which is why you’re constantly citing co-signers to validate your opinions (stand on your own two feet Mfr). my credit is sound. i don’t need co-signers. anyway, Lomachenko has proven NOTHING in a professional ring, which is the ONLY cred worthy of swaying a fight-fan’s opinion or regard for a particular fighter. Get It? NOT your self-important gas or self-proclaimed authority based on who you’ve met or interviewed. Btw, you’re only capable of embarrassing yourself, e.g., don’t you recall your shilling praise of Lomachenko prior to Salido walking him to the wood shed and delivering a beating? it was 100% erroneous and inaccurate and i said so beFore the fight. FYI, your public persona is no shield from a true fight-fan’s opinions and your pouty responses only highlight how clueless you are beyond your imaginary credentials. after all, it’s not as if you’ve been formally credentialed by an official body as a “boxing expert”. that’s just your self-important opinion, which has been exposed as being anything but 100% accurate.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:50 pm 


eric

Joseph that’s what Morrison said, word for word , it’s on video if you want to research it.

I’m not paraphrasing a word im quoting what Morrison said and took his word for what he was saying, he seemed serious.

I don’t think Morrison was just being respect ful to Forman but letting his guard down and ego down to be honest.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:50 pm 


eric

The reason I do not like discussing boxing with boxing historians is because they belive only they know the truth and everyone else is wrong.

Fighters are in the sport of boxing as a career choice so being afraid would seem to be the opposite of their thinking as fighting is their job, but belive it or not all fighters are real human beings with real emotions.

I’ve never been scared or fearful is just egotistical thinkkng just lkke some boxing historians egos that they know everything.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:44 pm 


Joseph Herron

eric: “Joseph, tommy Morrison said that he was scared to death to fight George Forman leading up to the fight, I don’t just make things up. So I guess Morrison was a fan opposed to a boxer ?”

He was being respectful or that quote was taken out of context…that’s the first time I’ve ever heard anything like that.

No fighters are afraid of any other man in the sport of boxing…if they were, they wouldn’t be prizefighters.

Most of my best friends are either fighters or trainers…trust me when I tell you that every single one of these guys would step in the ring with Godzilla if a hefty paycheck were attached to it!!

Posted June 24, 2014 3:40 pm 


Anonymous

sredmond

Joseph just doesn’t like Floyd Jr.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:39 pm 


SREDMOND

Eric, being BATTLE ready physically and mentally is a fighters responsibility that is why boxers like Mayweather and Pac who have shown the ability to fight hard and maintain form for 12 rounds are respected…If you wanna pass Wlads loss to Brewster off on lack of preparation I consider that to be an indictment of him as a fighter at the time…

Posted June 24, 2014 3:38 pm 


Joseph Herron

Anonymous: “sredmond, Joseph just don’t like Floyd Jr.”

LOL…that’s absolute rubbish!! If anyone points the finger at Floyd’s actions with scrutiny, he’s automatically filled with hatred for the man…it’s fanboy mentality, brother.

I have a very good relationship with many people in Floyd’s circle.

Floyd Sr. is a friend of mine, and I have the utmost respect for Floyd’s abilities in the ring.

You guys really should get off of Floyd’s nuts…you might be able to start seeing a clearer picture of things!!

Posted June 24, 2014 3:37 pm 


eric

Joseph, tommy Morrison said that he was scared to death to fight George Forman leading up to the fight, I don’t just make things up.

So I guess Morrison was a fan opposed to a boxer ?

Posted June 24, 2014 3:36 pm 


eric

Floyd is being hailed as a business man, a business man should not allow the hate of one man in question “arum” to spoil a lucrative mega fight, but that’s what happens when you already got enuf money like floyd does.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:34 pm 


Joseph Herron

SREDMOND: “Joseph Herron, I notice you absolve Manny of ALL responsibility and simply say “Floyd can make the fight” let me ask does and did Floyd work with Golden Boy Promotions? and the statement was that “Fear” was the overriding factor, Mayweather has stated on more than one occasion that he HATES Arum as did Oscar De La Hoya for years”

Who said anything about fear? I’m talking about “who’s to blame”…big difference.

No fighter fears any other fighter in boxing…that’s a fan driven concept…it’s rubbish.

That’s why I really don’t like discussing this topic with fanboys…it’s not the “reality” of boxing, like you enjoy characterizing your opinions.

That’s mere perception…the reality remains the same…the reality is that everyone involved is ready, willing, and able to make this match-up a reality, except for Floyd Mayweather.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:31 pm 


Anonymous

sredmond

Joseph just don’t like Floyd Jr.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:29 pm 


SREDMOND

Eric, you answered the question very simply its NOT a fact that either man is scared and making this fight has proven more complex than meeting in the school yard… There is a LEGIT standoff between HBO, Showtime and GBP and TR… Arum hates Mayweather, Mayweather hates Arum and both Manny and Floyd have gotten rich… There are at least 10 reasons this fight has not happened…

Posted June 24, 2014 3:28 pm 


eric

Sred that’s what happens when a fighter is out of shape he looks good for 4 or 5 rounds and then runs out of gas, Wladmir did exactly what a fighter does when out of shape and to further prove that, you can compare the Brewster fight to fights that Wladmir did not run out of gas, he appears in shape physically and is not gassed in the latter rounds.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:27 pm 


SREDMOND

Joseph Herron, I notice you absolve Manny of ALL responsibility and simply say “Floyd can make the fight” let me ask does and did Floyd work with Golden Boy Promotions? and the statement was that “Fear” was the overriding factor, Mayweather has stated on more than one occasion that he HATES Arum as did Oscar De La Hoya for years…Is it not reasonable to assume that Mayweather simply stuck to his guns and did not want to even consider lining Arum or Pac Mans pockets despite the public sentiment? Why was Manny 100% off the hook as it pertains to making the fight? at his peak was he not a Superstar? is he still not one? His minor soundbites are NOT very compelling as it pertains to making this fight… the FACT is Joseph you cannot prove that “Fear” is the reason this contest never happened, you are offering a speculation that’s only valuable to those you value your opinion because your name is NOT Floyd Mayweather Jr…

Posted June 24, 2014 3:23 pm 


eric

Sred any man can be scared, i’ve heard many pro fighters say they were fearful prior to a fight until they got into their grove.

Maybe Floyd scared to lose his 0, and not manny specifically, but in order to be scared of losing his 0 is secondary to his real fear which is manny.

I could care less who is scared of who, however based on everything I’ve read I’ve come to the conclusion floyd is scared and many in the boxing community is seeing that way aswell.

Is it a fact Floyds scared no, but it sure seems that it is what’s going on.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:22 pm 


V for Vengeance

I very much doubt anyone could be fascinated with a loser like you.

I’ve yet to see any evidence of you crushing anything. I don’t think I’m alone it that regard.

But I just reposted one of the many instances of you getting crushed by somebody and being exposed as a liar, a racist and multiple alias creating loser.

It’s all on page 3

Posted June 24, 2014 3:19 pm 


SREDMOND

Eric, THATS my point changing reality everytime a guy does not like an outcome is simply weak and childish… When I am wrong I accept the result, I am NOT the guy fighting just giving my take on the fighters…As for Wlads condition its not proveable and irrelevant because he looked fine beating on Brewster for 5 rounds…

Posted June 24, 2014 3:17 pm 


Joseph Herron

SREDMOND: “Eric, NO ONE can prove the notion that “Floyd is scared of Pac anymore than they can prove that “Pac is scared of Floyd” reality is that the political landscape of boxing has kept DOZENS of bouts from happening between TR and GBP over the past 5 years… NO one is saying those boxers are ‘Scared'”

Because none of those fighters have the kinds of freedoms that Floyd currently enjoys…Floyd can work with whatever promoter he chooses and is widely viewed as the biggest potential payday in the sport for any opposing fighter…most fighters aren’t that fortunate.

That’s why most point the finger at Floyd in this scenario…there’s no rational excuse to not make the fight with Pacquiao a reality.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:17 pm 


SREDMOND

“Styles Make Fights” Really Bears you win the award for the OPPOSITE of Originality… Truth is that you are NOT fit to decide what “Style” is best for a given boxer by that thought process you should have no issue with a guy facing the BOTTOM guy in his division if he has a magical style that you think is BEST suited to defeat a given fighter… Reality is that Champions are chosen in the ring and Floyd faces CHAMPIONS not guys YOU would like him to fight from your BUM perspective…Again you would not address Provodnikovs face first style that got him a loss, is he better than Guerrero? Guerrero has shown boxing ability during his career despite his recent slugging..

Posted June 24, 2014 3:15 pm 


eric

Lewis beat vitili fair and square but vitili deserved a second shot and that verdict may have changed but as far as rules and the record books go Lewis won.

Aligeri beat prov. Fact.

Bradley vs prov… little bit of controversy in that decision but Bradley outscored prov… if prov would not have pushed Bradley down but instead punched Bradley in the face it might have been a different outcome, provs fault.

Wladmir was mentally and physically out of shape in the Brewster fight true but wladimir lost, there is no controversy, Wladmir got revenge, fact.

I guess if everyone was honest all the time and seen everything the same way we wouldn’t have any debates and or good arguments. Lol

Posted June 24, 2014 3:14 pm 


SREDMOND

V for Vengeance your fascination with me is a homage to how much I have crushed and impacted your psyche… You flatter me !!! :)

Posted June 24, 2014 3:09 pm 


SREDMOND

Eric, NO ONE can prove the notion that “Floyd is scared of Pac anymore than they can prove that “Pac is scared of Floyd” reality is that the political landscape of boxing has kept DOZENS of bouts from happening between TR and GBP over the past 5 years… NO one is saying those boxers are “Scared”

Posted June 24, 2014 3:07 pm 


eric

Everything that gets said about mayweather good or bad is true.

Floyd has fought guys outside their primes in many cases, however floyd is a master class boxing genius and one of the best boxers in the history of the sport.

Floyd is scared of pac also.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:59 pm 


SREDMOND

Hidalgo, my point is that Thurman, Lara and Porter are NOT virtuoso defenders so WTF is Tark talking about? its just another excuse and if Maidana got a better result than most why would his style be dismissed? that’s illogical

Posted June 24, 2014 2:55 pm 


eric

Now once again and or twice in a row 2 white men rally for the championship of the world, this is the biggest factor heavyweight boxing in America is on the back burner.

Mark my words even if a talentless bum like wilder gets lucky and wins against klitschko with a lucky punch the American boxing world will take notice and jump for joy and cheer in the streets like they did when O.J Simpson got off murder charges for killing crackers.

Ill stay on subject from here on out just saying.

This is 100% the ugly truth. Very sad.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:55 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, YOU change the results all ALL decisions you don’t like in your world “Provo beat Bradley” “Provo beat Algieri” “Maidana beat Floyd” “Jirov beat Toney” “Briggs knocked down Lewis” “Vitali beat Lewis” “Wlad was poisioned against Brewster”…. So your opinion is BEYOND worthless this is just the tip of the iceberg as it pertains to you altering reality to suit the stale agenda that I constantly QUASH….

Posted June 24, 2014 2:54 pm 


SREDMOND

Eric, give it a rest “bigot” man please the sorts of Racists that spew their bile on this forum make me laugh… As it pertains to Klits, he is a HOFER that cannot be denied, the fact he has LOSSES cannot either and that is usually a natural part of boxing that said when his NUTTY fans try to steal credit from those who bested him or dismiss Great fighters who had to pass thru a gauntlet, I tend to enjoy calling that out and will continue to do so!!

Posted June 24, 2014 2:51 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, you have NOTHING intelligent to offer as it pertains to Mayweather you simply HATE this fighter on a personal level which is truly WEAK… I mean you cannot even call the guy by his name which is super Childish…

Posted June 24, 2014 2:48 pm 


eric

Career s are being defined by losses not wins these days I guess even if the losses happened a decade ago in a fighters career that was at the crossroads.

Outside of boxing many have faced the crossroads in life aswell, picked up the pieces after traumatic failures and moved on to be a great success.

Wladmir klitschko found it in himself to move forward and met a trainer in steward who brought out the best of Wladmir, slowly over years Wladmir gained confidence and world level experience, being the undisputed heavyweight champion of the world and a very consistent champion on the brink of greatness.

We can be pessimistic, only look at the cup half, hate filled bigots like sredmen who dine on anything to dismiss king klitschko, nothing will ever be good enuf for the likes of serdmen.

His anger and hatred filled heart and mind can not allow anything but poison to dominant his thoughts in regards to a white man dominates in a sport he believes belongs to his people only.

Change is very difficult for those among us that hate, very hard.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:44 pm 


BEARS

u wanna talk about fraud opponents fighting their way into position. there has always been better matchups fraud could have made but then the excuses come out. its money, peds, promoters. naw, its fraud. the guy who says he can fight whoever he wants and is the master onto himself.

there has been better matchups fraud could have fought with guys who fought themselves there since winky and williams and pac and bradley.

i dont care if a guy does have a loss. as far as i am concerned fraud lost to maidana. styles make fights son

Posted June 24, 2014 2:43 pm 


TARK

I do think Marquez and Cotto are ATG’s… so Floyd might slide by on that score

But for me, Marquez coming from lightweight at 37 just had no chance in HELL jumping up 2 weight classes and beating the so-called GOAT.

Not a chance in HELL when he started drinking his own pee and using that stupid strength trainer he had at the time. Floyd lucked out with that strength trainer … Marquez’s strength trainer was part of Floyd’s team and Floyd’s best asset in that fight lol

And Cotto was mentally depressed… Extremely so

Cotto’s corner kept telling him he was beating Floyd and Trout — and he sort of sensed they were lying their asses off and had no judgment or intelligence.. Cotto wanted out.. He called Freddie Roach.. Plus Cotto may be an ATG, but he lacks the range, power, and all around skills to have been a threat to Floyd at that particular time.

Losing so badly to Trout just cemented the fact that Cotto never had a decent shot vs Floyd in the 1st place.

There are greater opponents for Floyd… He just won’t fight them.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:43 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark on NUMEROUS occasions has said that he considers Floyd “The GOAT” yet now he is giving Lomanchenko the nod as the braver boxer??? Tark when Floyd was 21 he was fighting a veteran Champ like Genaro Hernandez and stopping him NOT getting defeated by Orlando Salido

Posted June 24, 2014 2:39 pm 


BEARS

did someone tell resumes and records and ones own eyes are part parcel

a lot of people struggle to make sensr of resumes and records. they have to say vague generalities like in frauds case. “fraud beat x ammount of champs and x ammount of p4p”

the reality is fraud beat a post retired oscar in a fight that was totally LINED UP. as was oscars coming out of retirement fight to get a title. post retired past it.

mosely past it. gatti nuf said, baldomir nuf said, ortiz nuf said, guerrero nuf said, maidana nuf said, kahn nuf said,

jmm overt weight advantage

canelo drained and boiled to the point people were left wondering if that was canelo they were watching. validated by the fact canelo can not even make 154 in his next fight and made a cstchweight above it in his subsequent fight. also the effects of which elucidated by mayweather himself who said he would never do that and ellerbe who went on a rant about it in all access.

a guy like me thinks that resume is inferior to pax and many agree and disagree.

i knew guerrero vs any A level 140-147 should not happen just by watching the guy.

i know u want to keep warping statements on resumes and records. our posts are not your warped interpretations. they are what we mean not what you say we mean or interpret we mean. your reading comprehension is non existent. joe, lionking and TARK and myself.

our posts are above your reading comprehension level

and lets not forget, joe BRANDED you NUTS. lol

Posted June 24, 2014 2:37 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark the FACT that you are comparing a guy who fought Salido and Gary Russell and is now in his 3rd fight to Floyd Mayweather Jr really shows me how INSANE you are… Floyd managed to win titles in 5 weight classes and grab the lineal belt in 4 because he ducks the Top Man in all these divisions… Russell and Salido are exactly WHO in the annals of boxing history? We will see if Loma fights Rigondeaux as usual you are selling something you cannot prove.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:31 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, you get ANGRY because Floyd is fighting guys who WON the big fight… Trout did NOT beat Canelo so he fought Canelo… Cotto was the money fight and he had a belt at 154 so he fought Cotto… Maidana was coming off the big win against Broner and he had a belt so Floyd fought Maidana… You keep digging up a matchup that the fighters themselves cannot fight themselves into position to get… Neither Porter, Thurman or Lara won a fight that makes them a MUST for Floyd from a sales or boxing perspective… Austin Trout had already lost and been put down when Lara beat him, the same Lara that had to get off the deck 2x against the CRUDE Angulo to get his win… All 3 guys are good or very good young fighters but NONE is better or more vetted than Canelo or Cotto…. How is Lara a magical defender? he is damn good but not super elusive or Angulo would not have floored him 2x, Thurman is a high contact fighter and Porter is NOBODYS virtuoso despite his skills…

Posted June 24, 2014 2:29 pm 


SREDMOND

Tomato Can, all this talk about Khan has never manifested we know Khan cannot fight in September so the reality is that the only fights that are sellable are Maidana or Cotto from where I sit…NO WAY the public is gonna buy an unknown like Thurman, Porter is supposed to fight Kell Brook and Lara is supposed to face Canelo who is gonna be gunning for the win and has the tools to get it.. Reality is that these guys don’t want someone to “fight Mayweather” they want someone to DEFEAT Mayweather and those who cannot get the job done are gonna get stripped of their accomplishments the moment the bout is over… Cotto was a terrific win for Floyd, something that was further validated by him moving up in weight and getting the Lineal MW Crown… If he fought Floyd again and lost he would go back to being “Old and Damaged” the minute the result was announced… Such is the life of the anti-Floyd faction…

Posted June 24, 2014 2:25 pm 


TARK

Sredmond.., “Tark, WHY is “Russell a better defender”

You have to read the context. You like to put words in people’s mouth’s they never said.

I said EVEN Gary Russell has a better defense than Maidana or Khan… especially AFTER the boxing lesson he received the other night.

Floyd loves to fight guys who can’t defend so he can riddle them with shots from every angle and position. His favorite opponent was probably Gatti.

Lomachenko’s favorite opponent will likely be Rigondeaux. He loves a massive challenge — Floyd doesn’t.

Lara… Porter… Thurman… Brook… or Pacquiao would be stffer challenges for Floyd than anyone he’s fought… Floyd hasn’t had that ATG opponent.

He’s good — but that’s what he’s missing… courage

Posted June 24, 2014 2:25 pm 


BEARS

^^now arum wants cotto vs bradley in december!? i dont understand that. are they not separated by two divisions?

Posted June 24, 2014 2:21 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, if “resumes don’t matter” then HOW can you describe anyone as “a cherry pick” is that your perception of their “style” no matter what they have achieved? Whats your opinion of Provodnikov? is he a terrific craftsman? Guerrero is a multi weight Champion if he DIED right now and no one can take that away from him… He last lost to the Unifed Champ in the 154 and 147 pound divisions, who did Loma last lose to??? Salido a CRUDE boxer with 12 losses even though many were earlier in his career, who did Wlad lose to? Best guy a B- level guy Purrity a BUM and Sanders C plus level… Who did Pacquiao lose to ???? Marquez? A Great fighter but he SURE did not look Great when Floyd schooled him…. Point is that your vendetta against Guerrero is CORNY, no one is billing him as a HOFER or ATG but he is a legit player at WW and he is a tough night for anyone after having won Titles in more than one weight you really have 00000000 objective reason for calling him “Garbage” outside of the fact that for some reason you don’t like him…

Posted June 24, 2014 2:20 pm 


Tomato Can

Styles make fights. It’s true Maidana did give Mayweather a run for his money in a slop filled contest. But the final result of the fight was correct on the majority of cards. I’m with the majority in this case…. However the rematch is not something I want to see. I would like to see Mayweather fight Pacquiao or Bradley. Thurman and Porter would be good fights too, but honestly those fights would be poor choices for Mayweather at this point. So as bad as it sounds, Khan is looking like the most logical choice in the near future.

Posted June 24, 2014 1:54 pm 


BEARS

fraud has faced a ton of cherrys and bum fluff and we had more validation over the weekend. at 140-147 guerrero is nothing and will be nothing without very very careful matchmaking.

seein a cherry like maidana beat both fraud and imitation fraud was truly a sight to behold for this boxing fan. fraud has not even faced the best welters. they fought eachother.

maidana would get beat by a lot of guys 140 through 147. he is not the new king. his style just matches well against frauds and his imitation. what boxer did fraud face that was as good a boxer as lara?

Posted June 24, 2014 1:46 pm 


Joseph Herron

SREDMOND: “Joseph Herron, so just to be clear you don’t consider who a fighter achieved their resume against to be important? that interesting with that mindset any fighter in the boxing world that is 25-0 is pretty much on top of the game no matter who they fought? I guess in that regard Deontay Wilder is incredible…”

Talent is undeniable…records and ringside judgments are debateable.

Does that make sense to you?

btw…you would make an awful talent scout in boxing…LOL

Posted June 24, 2014 1:37 pm 


BEARS

especially when u do not even warch the fights. lol. you are less than a nobody. your not even qualified to have a view and opinion. how could u be without watching the fight?

lol @ sredmond

Posted June 24, 2014 1:37 pm 


BEARS

sredmomd- you have never seen a chenko fight so i do not know why you are ecen posting on the guy. you are not qualified to even speak on the chenko vs salido bout nor the deffend the officiating and judging of the bout or the subsequent record that came of the judging and officiating.

i dont even know why anyome bothers to read your posts about fighters u do not watch and fights u have not seen.

what are you doing here defending the integrity of judging and officiating in boxing? good luck with that, it is a tall order indeed.

Posted June 24, 2014 1:35 pm 


SREDMOND

Bears, you are the ULTIMATE Flip Flopper! you bash and bash various opponents on Mayweather calling World Champs “Garbage” yet suddenly “resumes don’t matter” reality is that you CAN’T have it both ways… Either the matchups matter or they DON’T GTFOH about “the styles of Lara, Thurman or Porter” truth is that Maidana being unorthodox, rough and relentless gave Floyd more trouble than guys who stand there and try to box with him which is an AUTOMATIC fail… Lara would be EASY work for Floyd he is a perfect foil because he is VERY economical and takes long stretches off which plays right into Mayweathers “Thinking Mans Game” you are discussing the smartest boxer in the sport… Your lauding these 3 fighters is NOTHING more than your HOMAGE to Tarks rectum, you NEVER discussed these guys as opponents prior to Canelo who you slated to dethrone Mayweather…. Again you are a LACKEY who does not have an original thought in his addled brain…

Posted June 24, 2014 1:33 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, WHY is “Russell a better defender” this is a presumption you are making because you he got schooled according to reports? What if he gets KNOCKED OUT his next fight what will you say then? If Loma gets DRILLED what will you say? These fighters are NOT proven commodities at the Pro level so why the DEEP faith that we all KNOW you will abandon if they fall??

Posted June 24, 2014 1:29 pm 


BEARS

^^”if resumes are not all important why all the fuss about this or that”-sredmond

is it not funny how sredmond warps the message/meaning of a post then proceeds to comment on his own warped interpretation. so half the post in response to sredmond are like “nobody said that sredmond”.

why all the fuss sredmond? you think people think lara vs may is a good matchup based on resumes? or porter vs may? pac and bradley and i feel even trout are good “matchups” because of their style.

its about seeing the best fight the best. who appear to be the best match ups for fraud. and it is not kahn. maybe you thought kahn was the best matchup for his resume? lol

emanual steward was calling wlad the most talented and the future of the division before he had a resume and he had already had coach sdunek throw in the towel at the end of of the purritty bout.

pretending it requires a record and nice resume before we can see something special in a fighter or perceive how their style might do against another style is asinine.

in fact u were in here calling broner something special years ago. prior to the malinaggi fight. the jury was totally out on broner.

was it his record and resume that made you say that?

Posted June 24, 2014 1:28 pm 


BEARS

“if resumes are not all important why all the fuss about this or that”-sredmond

is it not funny how sredmond warps the message/meaning of a post then proceeds to comment on his own warped interpretation. so half the post in response to sredmond are like “nobody said that sredmond”.

why all the fuss sredmond? you think people think lara vs may is a good matchup based on resumes? or porter vs may? pac and bradley and i feel even trout are good “matchups” because of their style.

its about seeing the best fight the best. who appear to be the best match ups for fraud. and it is not kahn. maybe you thought kahn was the best matchup for his resume? lol

emanual steward was calling wlad the most talented and the future of the division before he had a resume and he had already had coach sdunek throw in the towel at the end of of the purritty bout.

pretending it requires a record and nice resume before we can see something special in a fighter or perceive how their style might do against another style is asinine.

in fact u were in here calling broner something special years ago. prior to the malinaggi fight. the jury was totally out on broner.

was it his record and resume that made you say that?

Posted June 24, 2014 1:27 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, why should Floyd NOT fight Maidana who gave him a better fight than Canelo or Cotto who I generally think are BETTER fighters than Maidana? You wanna vacate the result in lieu of matchups you like as opposed to results? and how in the hell are Porter, Thurman and Brook “Stellar” that’s a LOFTY term for some guys just getting started in boxing? you are NOT making sense… I mean you DON’T make an OUNCE of sense, you said that Lomanchenko has a BETTER defense than Rigondeaux as a pro but Loma’s defense has him having LOST to a crude fighter already? you wanna sell his “punch stats against” Russell as “The norm” when he is too early in his career to establish “a norm” and punch stats are hardly Gospel EXCEPT to those trying to promote or sell an argument… AGAIN they never impact official fight results so their value is negligible…

Posted June 24, 2014 1:07 pm 


SREDMOND

Joseph Herron, so just to be clear you don’t consider who a fighter achieved their resume against to be important? that interesting with that mindset any fighter in the boxing world that is 25-0 is pretty much on top of the game no matter who they fought? I guess in that regard Deontay Wilder is incredible… That said why does ANY particular matchup matter when you consider a boxers resume irrelevant? Why discuss Pac Man vs Mayweather when we can see their quality no matter whom they fight according to this particular model?

Posted June 24, 2014 12:59 pm 


redmond is crying again

ah diddums poor redmond is upset again because they’re picking on mayweather and not giving him his just due.

please love mayweather as much as i do.

please don’t say bad words about him.

it hurts me so bad when you don’t appreciate his greatness and say cruel words about black fighters.

grrrrr i’m angry.

grrrrr i’m going to get my revenge on all you racists.

i’m so cross with you all right now.

i’m going to tear down all your favorite white fighters and show you all how jolly angry i am

you’ll be sorry you said those mean words about mayweather.

defending mayweather isn’t an obsession for redmond.

it’s an illness.

a genuine undiagnosed psychological disorder.

but sredmond’s obsessive disorder extends beyond his mayweather infatuation.

he’s obsessed with tark.

with bears.

with squared circle lion king.

grrrrr they make him so mad.

medication time sredmond

Posted June 24, 2014 12:35 pm 


Joseph Herron

SREDMOND, I wouldn’t waste my time with arguments about resume and stature within the boxing community.

It’s worthless, and never amounts to anything…only gossiping b!tches or wannabe scribes discuss that rubbish

Like I stated in an earlier post…fans and writers who don’t know what they’re looking at rely on those variables when assessing talent and stature.

P4P lists and rankings are garbage and really don’t mean anything.

Posted June 24, 2014 11:57 am 


TARK

Sredmond lies.., “Lara, Thurman, Porter and Brook are the guys he has not designated Floyd must fight in order to be credible MEANWHILE he has decided that Loma has the second best footwork in boxing (After Pacquiao) because he beat Russell and lost to Salido???”

I never compared Loma’s footwork to anyone’s you idiot.

And it would be NICE if Floyd fought SOMEBODY with the combined boxing and punching skills of a Lara, Porter, Thuman, Brook, or even Pacquaio in his last 3 fights.

Obviously Floyd can’t fight ALL of his most stellar and logical opponents with only 3 fights remaining on his contract — but he SHOULDN’T be fighting Khan or Maidana. Those 2 guys have no idea what a masterful defense is … and never met the punch that couldn’t hit them.

Gary Russell is even a better defender … especially after his last boxing lesson.

Now Sredmond will say I’m hyping Russell as a must fight Floyd opponent.

What an idiot.

Posted June 24, 2014 11:47 am 


Anonymous

lol you’re right. TARK and canelo what a love story. lol

Posted June 24, 2014 11:36 am 


SREDMOND

(Has now designated)

Posted June 24, 2014 11:06 am 


SREDMOND

Tark adopts a new fighter the way Brad and Angelina adopt kids from 3rd world countries… Lara, Thurman, Porter and Brook are the guys he has not designated Floyd must fight in order to be credible MEANWHILE he has decided that Loma has the second best footwork in boxing (After Pacquiao) because he beat Russell and lost to Salido??? Last year Tark NEVER mentioned these boxers as Mayweather opponents he was too busy DROOLING over the Canelo vs Mayweather fight once Floyd turned that into a tutorial he threw Canelo over for Lara who is a beatable opponent for Alvarez… Tark’s train of logic is patently illogical…

Posted June 24, 2014 11:05 am 


Anonymous

Sredmond, ‘discuss how he MUST fight Pacquiao or his overall history is invalid?’

you forgot TARK’s man crushes Lara, Porter, Thurman.

Posted June 24, 2014 10:33 am 


SREDMOND

Bears, Lion King and Herron discuss how “a resume does not mean anything when you know what you are looking at” THESE same guys will then go on and on about the resume of Floyd Mayweather and discuss how he MUST fight Pacquiao or his overall history is invalid? That’s a contradiction of the MOST obvious sort! If a guys “Resume is not important in lieu of how he looks to these guys” then why all the fuss about a fighter facing one guy or the next? In the minds of some SOMEHOW Lomanchenko has done in 3 fights of which he LOST one what Floyd Mayweather has been unable to do in 46 professional bouts, 22 or 23 of which were World Championship bouts spanning 5 weight classes, against multiple HOF fighters, 4 lineal Championships and 9 World Titles…That’s AMAZING!!!!!!! in order to get the respect of these sorts all Mayweather had to do was beat Gary Russell Jr on points, and LOSE to Orlando Salido and he could have skipped all those other bouts and marched STRAIGHT to the HOF! Silly Mayweather and all the fans that paid him $105 million dollars last year!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted June 24, 2014 9:53 am 


SREDMOND

Reality is that if Manny Pacquiao is the ONLY yardstick on boxing that is good enough to measure Floyds Greatness by then we should LOGICALLY confer the mantle to Juan Manuel Marquez who Mayweather turned inside out technically when they fought? Manny is a GREAT fighter but he go the hell knocked out of him by a 39 year old Marquez… The FACT is that Floyd Mayweather did not get to the top of the sport via ONE bout, or ONE Championship fight and neither did Manny Pacquiao… The shocking one punch KO of Pac Man pretty much took the bulk of the luster off of this matchup and frankly as much as I admire, respect and consider Pac an ATG, he has NOT looked close to as dominant against these 147 pounders, meanwhile Floyd has booked some important wins against Cotto at 154 who put a horrid beatdown on Martinez for the Legit MW Crown, AND Canelo who really looks to be the future of the Jr MW division and is taking on some hard fights ie Trout, Mayweather, and now Lara at a young age….. So AGAIN if the path to Greatness is defeating Manny Pacquiao then why are we not elevating Marquez to the top of the sport and demanding he and Floyd rematch? I think the answer to that question is obvious…

Posted June 24, 2014 9:43 am 


Tomato Can

I blame both teams. Both have came up with excuses not to fight. I believe Manny wants the fight more than Mayweather. Afterall, he has less to lose. But Arum on the other hand has used just as many excuses as Mayweather. So when trying to look at the fight not happening from neutral ground, both parties should be blamed, IMO. But writing about that this has gotten older than dirt.

Posted June 24, 2014 9:16 am 


Joseph Herron

That’s it, Slim…it’s going to be Madiana part II, unless Marcos outbids himself between now and next week.

The biggest question is whether or not Floyd will use Goossen Tutor Promotions or Golden Boy Promotions to help promote the event.

Posted June 24, 2014 6:29 am 


JIG

Everybody wants to blame FM for the fight not happening ecspecially all the pactards…Lol

Posted June 24, 2014 6:27 am 


SLIM

Who is Floyds September opponent? I would like to see Maidana II since their seems to be some controversy over the outcome.

Posted June 24, 2014 6:18 am 


Joseph Herron

If not, I’m going to jump back to writing…I have two more articles I have to formulate for today’s publications on Fight Saga.

One on Floyd’s September 13th opponent, and another on the Alex Ariza departure from Oxnard

Posted June 24, 2014 6:08 am 


SLIM

@E…just because Floyd ran through Marquez and Pac got knocked the out doesn’t mean Floyd can run through Pac, styles make fights. But this is a dead topic. Have a nice day.

Posted June 24, 2014 6:07 am 


Joseph Herron

What’s there to split hairs over when it comes to this dead issue, Slim?

Is there anything else you would like to discuss…as a fight fan?

Posted June 24, 2014 6:06 am 


SLIM

Like I said I think both share responsibility for the fight not happening. If you guys don’t want to split hairs, then whatev…we can sit here like Israel and Palestine. But earlier Pac didn’t want that test, and now Floyd has excuses…

Posted June 24, 2014 6:01 am 


Joseph Herron

Jig: “PacMan should’ve took the 40M that was on the table.”

If that was a serious offer, Floyd would have had Al Haymon contact Bob Arum…not a fighter to fighter phone call.

That’s not the way business is conducted within the sport. It was for publicity and to stoke his fan base.

Posted June 24, 2014 5:54 am 


Joseph Herron

Slim, this entire discussion is a huge waste of time.

Floyd doesn’t want the fight, Manny does…most importantly, so do the fans…that’s it.

There is no splitting hairs on this issue. It’s done.

Posted June 24, 2014 5:51 am 


Joseph Herron

SLIM: “@Joseph…That’s not true. I think Pac had opportunities to get the fight but wouldn’t take them. Floyd has to take responsibility too. I get that Joseph…”

Believe it if you want to…many sources, within Golden Boy and Top Rank, have insisted to me that Floyd has never been serious about that fight taking place up to this point.

As long as Showtime is foolish enough to guarantee Floyd $32 million for mediocre match-ups, then there is no financial incentive to share billing with Manny.

That is the truth.

Posted June 24, 2014 5:49 am 


SLIM

Ok Joseph…I will split hairs with you. Early on Pac was avoiding the fight making excuses about the test. Now I think it is Floyd. By saying he wont do business with Bob Arum knowing that’s Pac promoter.

Posted June 24, 2014 5:48 am 


Jig

PacMan should’ve took the 40M that was on the table.

Posted June 24, 2014 5:43 am 


Joseph Herron

SLIM: “I just think it’s pathetic he does everything Bob Arum tell him to do.”

Ignorance must be bliss, Slim…Pacquiao, Roach, Trampler, and Arum all discuss potential options, with Pacquiao making the final decision on who he faces.

Pacquiao, just like Mayweather, ultimately makes his own decisions…all money maker within the sport are their own bosses.

The promoters merely promote the fighters. The fighters are in business for themselves.

Posted June 24, 2014 5:42 am 


E

Pac scared of needles. Lol

Posted June 24, 2014 5:41 am 


SLIM

@Joseph…That’s not true. I think Pac had opportunities to get the fight but wouldn’t take them. Floyd has to take responsibility too. I get that Joseph…

Posted June 24, 2014 5:40 am 


Joseph Herron

SLIM: “And i’m not even a Mayweather fan..”

Not a true boxing fan either, by the way you post

Posted June 24, 2014 5:39 am 


SLIM

I just think it’s pathetic he does everything Bob Arum tell him to do.

Posted June 24, 2014 5:38 am 


Joseph Herron

SLIM: “Truth hurts huh gay boys…Pac got KNOCKED THE FUK out so deal with. Hes being pimped by Bob Arum like a $5 dollar hoe. Why Floyd is make $40M per fight…You jealous haters. Lol”

That’s why all of you guys are impossible to discuss anything with…you automatically assume that if anyone states that Floyd doesn’t want the fight with Pacquiao, that person is ultimately a Pacquiao fan.

Damn Flomo!!

Posted June 24, 2014 5:37 am 


SLIM

And i’m not even a Mayweather fan..

Posted June 24, 2014 5:36 am 


SLIM

Truth hurts huh gay boys…Pac got KNOCKED THE FUK out so deal with. Hes being pimped by Bob Arum like a $5 dollar hoe. Why Floyd is make $40M per fight…You jealous haters. Lol

Posted June 24, 2014 5:34 am 


Joseph Herron

E, you should be even more apologetic about wasting your time and time of others, arguing about how Floyd isn’t the person to blame for the fight with Manny not taking place.

Think about how many countless hours you’ve spent talking about this worthless topic.

While real fight fans talk about the fights that are on the existing scheduled and ones that actually have a good chance of materializing.

Posted June 24, 2014 5:26 am 


E

Sorry about the double thread…

Posted June 24, 2014 5:14 am 


Joseph Herron

Settle down, E…you guys have had 5 years to espouse the ridiculous theories that have been tossed about your circle jerk of Flomos, so there’s nothing that anyone can say that would make a difference in your mind or the mind of any Floyd Mayweather fanatic!!

It doesn’t matter what any insider or truly knowledgeable person of the supposed ordeal would say at this point.

You guys love regurgitating ignorance, so I’m not even going to waste any time or logic with you or any other Floyd nuthugger!!

Posted June 24, 2014 5:11 am 


E

Why didn’t Pac just take the test back in 2009. Instead of making excuses about he was scared of needles…when he has 20 tattoos??? Then he needed 20 days with NO testing. Then Floyd said OK 14 days…still said NO. Then Floyd called him on the phone and offered $40M he said NO again. Took Less money to get KNOCKED THE FUK OUT by Marquez..Who Flyd walked through after being out the game 2yrs!!!! You cats are comedy central…

Posted June 24, 2014 5:09 am 


E

Why didn’t he take the test back in 2009, instead of saying he was afraid of needles. Yeah right he has 20 tattoos. Lol Then Floyd offered $40Million dollars and he said NO! then took less money to get knocked the fuk out my a Floyd has been. You cats are comedy central on here. Pac ain’t sht…

Posted June 24, 2014 5:04 am 


E

Floyd would whoop Pac’s ass, cut the crap. He got knocked the fuk out cold by a flat footed 40yr old. Who Floyd walked through after being out the game for almost 2yrs. Marquez barely won a round…Gimme a fukin break you fools. lol

Posted June 24, 2014 5:00 am 


Joseph Herron

I’ve always wanted to visit the Cliffs of Moher…they’re absolutely breathtaking!!

Posted June 24, 2014 4:56 am 


Joseph Herron

Yes, that’s what I meant, brother…sorry about the typo.

And yes…Ireland is beautiful!!

Posted June 24, 2014 4:50 am 


Ireland is beautiful

you mean a victory over Pacman?

Very interesting Joe, thank you very much!

Posted June 24, 2014 4:47 am 


Joseph Herron

Indirectly, yes…because Floyd obviously favored working with Richard and the company he was running, he basically trusted Schaefer’s judgment in avoiding Bob Arum. Floyd and company still hopes to do business with Schaefer in the future, if he doesn’t have any legal issues attached with his potential accord with Oscar and Golden Boy Promotions…that situation has turned into a very delicate legal matter that isn’t completed.

But like I stated on Sunday night’s show, Floyd Sr. told me that his son might be saving the best for last…coincidentally breaking Marciano’s coveted record with a victory over Floyd…so who knows.

But initially, Floyd Sr. disapproved of the match-up with Manny, so Junior disapproved of the pairing as well.

Boxing will always be in a constant state of flux…so who knows what the future holds, my friend!! LOL

Posted June 24, 2014 4:43 am 


Joseph Herron

ANONY “Do you agree with that, Joseph?”

My strong point in covering the sport isn’t it’s rich history. Although I’ve written dozens of historical pieces, there are many other fight scribes and fans who trump me in that area.

As for the Manny/Floyd post, it’s obvious to anyone who doesn’t have a dog in the hunt that Floyd has no desire to face Manny and not the other way around.

Whether or not it started out that way is irrelevant. This is where we are now. Floyd Sr. doesn’t like the fight, so Floyd Jr. doesn’t either.

Most people don’t realize what a strong influence Senior has on his son’s match making decisions.

Posted June 24, 2014 4:10 am 


Joseph Herron

ANONY: “Dear Joseph Herron, YOU called TARK out! Do you remember?”

LOL…yeah, I remember our verbal sparring sessions very well. Like I just stated in the previous post, my friend…we’ve both earned each other’s mutual respect since that time.

Good times!! LOL

I enjoy reading the majority of TARK’s posts on a regular basis.

Posted June 24, 2014 4:05 am 


ANONY

Joseph Herron, do you agree with TARK?

TARK

I don’t think Ali ever really beat Liston anyway… Liston tore his left biceps in the 1st fight…

The scorecards were even when Liston was forced to quit the 1st fight — because of the torn biceps — which 7 different doctors examined the injury and confirmed that it was a disabling injury.

In the 2nd fight Ali should have been DQ’d… He refused to go to a neutral corner when he knocked Liston down… Walcott never even got a chance to count over Liston because he was trying to shove Ali to a neutral corner.

That has never happened in any other fight I’ve ever watched — where a boxer refused to go to a neutral corner for an entire 10 count — and the fallen boxer was ruled out AFTER he got up and resumed fighting.

Liston got no count at all… The rules specifically state, a fallen boxer is counted out by the referee, not the timekeeper. Liston lost his boxing license all over the USA for years — because the commission said he shouldn’t have gone down from such a light punch… more garbage.

Posted June 23, 2014 4:06 am

Posted June 24, 2014 4:00 am 


ANONY

Dear Joseph Herron,

YOU called TARK out! Do you remember?

Posted June 24, 2014 3:56 am 


ANONY

E……, Lion King……………..u will lose all credibility. WHAT CREDIBILITY???? LMAO

Posted June 24, 2014 3:54 am 


Joseph Herron

ANONY: “TARK…still waiting for you to accept the challenge in calling into my show on Sundays.”

TARK earned my respect a long time ago…didn’t need to appear on the show for that. It’s in the posts.

I have a great amount of respect for everyone on this site and this forum unless they get personally abrasive or offensive.

I’d like to think that everyone who chats with me regularly on these pages realizes this.

It’s all about discussing the sport, the fighters, and the match-ups. Not about trading insults.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:51 am 


ANONY

TARK, still waiting for you to accept the challenge in calling into Herron’s show on Sundays.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:47 am 


ANONY

TARK…still waiting for you to accept the challenge in calling into my show on Sundays.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:45 am 


Joseph Herron

By the way, Tumbo…still waiting for you to accept my challenge in calling into my show on Sundays.

718-506-1506

You should call in, even if you don’t want to be a part of the broadcast and embarrass yourself…you might actually learn something if you do.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:36 am 


Joseph Herron

Te Tumbo: “Lomachenko hasn’t proven a Damn-Thing”

He just became a legitimate world champion by defeating a previously undefeated Olympian in only his third professional fight.

Couple that with the manner in which he beat Gary Russell, and I’d say he proved an awful lot this past Saturday night.

But anyone who was viewing the fight action without bias this past weekend could actually see that.

Posted June 24, 2014 3:32 am 


Joseph Herron

te tumbo: “HERRON, with all due respect, you’re full of sh*t. you’re always assuming some imaginary position of authority that is NOT backed up by your analyses, i.e., who the f’k is waiting to bet their money based on your pre-fight analysis?”

LOL…please explain how I’m full of feces, if you can.

Because last time I checked, I write articles for one of the most widely viewed boxing websites in the world, and my radio show was circulated by two of the more widely trafficked boxing sites in the world.

Is it just a coincidence that my Fight Saga fight previews are usually the most popular articles on that site every weekend?

tens of thousands of fight fans read my prediction and analysis pieces every week on Fight Saga, as well as my post fight write ups…once again, coincidence?

By the way, I don’t practice putting much effort and emphasis on my predictions, because it ultimately affects the way you view the fight….The late, great Emanuel Steward initially warned me about that…it’s why he never liked to make predictions while he was working for HBO.

You would know this if you actually wrote about and covered the fights.

Like you always say, Tumbo…the real fight fans give the scribe or source credibility, not the other way around.

I guess that explains why no one even on the site that you frequent cares about your opinions or posts.

Have a good night, brother!! LOL

Posted June 24, 2014 3:27 am 


the superior African Male

GAMBOA, BRONER ,MAYWEATHER,CRAWFORD, RIGODEUX, LARA all hail the true Africam PHARAOHS

Posted June 24, 2014 3:23 am 


te tumbo

one reliable sign that Lomachenko will probably be a bust is that Tark likes him so much. he’s notorious for premature praise that goes flat as soon as I disagree and i’m saying that if Lomachenko is put in v. top-notch comp, he’ll be mauled and embarrassed worse than he was v. Salido, which was just ONE fight ago(?!). please spare us the dramatic improvement spin. you’re recent post-win hype is identical to your pre-fight hype for the Salido bout. that Lomachenko got it right v. Russell makes no difference to the PROVEN Fact that Salido is better but go ahead. make the same cheerleader mistake that Lopez’s fans made and assume that Salido won for every other reason but the Documented Boxing Truth.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:31 am 


te tumbo

HERRON, with all due respect, you’re full of sh*t. you’re always assuming some imaginary position of authority that is NOT backed up by your analyses, i.e., who the f’k is waiting to bet their money based on your pre-fight analysis? not even You, that’s who. so please stop embarrassing yourself with the ridiculous self-important posturing and stick to Boxing . . . and Lomachenko hasn’t proven a Damn-Thing. the dude’s only got three pro-fights, including a loss, and he’s already settling into a 2-fight per year schedule? pft?! i hope Little Lord Entitled is fed to Garcia, Mares, or Gonzalez. Salido will seem like a walk in the park and you’re phenom will be 2-2 going into 2015. in fact(?), why aren’t you Loma teeny-boppers demanding a rematch v. Salido? because Lomachenko will get mauled for aNother loss, that’s why. Btw, a fighter’s body-of-work (i.e. ring-resume) IS an indicator of their true ring-status, you imbecile. why else would you Loma fan club constantly be citing his amateur record? to PRO fight-fans, i.e., who gives a F’k?!? much more talented gold-medal Olympians have busted as pros and that was after proper seasoning. in the PROs,”proven and tested” is the credential that counts most. proven v. the best and tested by adversity. Lomachenko has yet to face the best of anything and was utterly bedeviled by Orlando “Don Adversity” Salido. mark my words, IF Lomachenko is fed to a Garcia, Mares, or Gonzalez in 2014, he’s 2-2 on New Years Day 2015.

Posted June 24, 2014 2:23 am 


Joseph Herron

Boxtradamus: “Throw DUMMY punches to set UP the punch that you REALLY want to hit him with.”

LOL…do you mean to say that Gary should implement feints within his arsenal?

LOL…He does…every fighter who has Russell’s amateur background does…even Brandon Rios uses feints and a mixture of different jabs to work his way inside of an opponent’s defense. It’s called applying intelligent pressure.

Please call in this Sunday night, brother…please!! LOL

Posted June 24, 2014 2:19 am 


BEARS

¥¥LIONKING- that was one the best and funniest posts i have ever read in life! absolute gem! i was LMAO when i read the bit about the cheap suite, bow tie, and malcolm x brim glasses.

i think u hit the nail on the head and joes post really got to the point of it. i did not quite figure out how to articulate it.

so many great champs got their shot before they had an awesome record, resume, etc. dundee was sure clay was awesome before he became champ and he was right. you can either watch tape and glean if a fighter does some great stuff you just do not have a knack for it.

but with sredmond it is different. this guy does not watch the fights or fighters more often than not. im sure he has not seen much 3g tape either. he admittedly has not watched chenko yet he’s commenting. i exposed him after he posted 200 times on provo vs algieri the guy had not watched the fight.

honestly i do not think he does watch much. i think sredmond is a nation of islam bot and whenever you type mayweather, cassius clay, or their opponents onto an east side post, the sredmond bot activates dumping all the nation of islam jargon it has saved in its database.

when sredmond bot gets over loaded he starts using the white slurs. like cave dweller, redneck, and peckerwood.

but really this dude could never “see” skill. he does not watch fights. he is actually saying a dude can not be awesome before a resume and record is established. how dense is that?

Posted June 24, 2014 1:35 am 


BEARS

^^LIONKING- that was one the best and funniest posts i have ever read in life! absolute gem! i was LMAO when i read the bit about the cheap suite, bow tie, and malcolm x brim glasses.

i think u hit the nail on the head and joes post really got to the point of it. i did not quite figure out how to articulate it.

so many great champs got their shot before they had an awesome record, resume, etc. dundee was sure clay was awesome before he became champ and he was right. you can either watch tape and glean if a fighter does some great stuff you just do not have a knack for it.

but with sredmond it is different. this guy does not watch the fights or fighters more often than not. im sure he has not seen much 3g tape either. he admittedly has not watched chenko yet he’s commenting. i exposed him after he posted 200 times on provo vs algieri the guy had not watched the fight.

honestly i do not think he does watch much. i think sredmond is a nation of islam bot and whenever you type mayweather, cassius clay, or their opponents onto an east side post, the sredmond bot activates dumping all the nation of islam jargon it has saved in its database.

when sredmond bot gets over loaded he starts using the white slurs. like cave dweller, redneck, and peckerwood.

but really this dude could never “see” skill. he does not watch fights. he is actually saying a dude can not be awesome before a resume and record is established. how dense is that?

Posted June 24, 2014 1:34 am 


TARK

If guys are suffering KO’s at the hands of world level boxers — that’s about the only time when you don’t know if they’ll stay in the game a long time…

Wladimir Klitschko suffered 3 KO losses and his brother asked him to quit… There was never any question in Wladimir’s mind that he was going to be the best heavyweight there ever was… That may not have been a correct assessment on his part — but that’s what he told his brother when he wanted him to quit… Sometimes you just have to be blunt when people in your own family are trying to talk you out of your dreams, to make them lay off.

Russell’s family and Lomachenko’s family are very supportive.

Posted June 23, 2014 11:14 pm 


TARK

Sredmond.., “Nobody knows if Russell and Loma are gonna be out of boxing in 2 years.”

What an idiot you are… Do you expect them to take up a new occupation after speeding to the World Championship level of competition in only their 2nd and 25th professional fights???

That’s like spending many years getting a medical degree, spending several years in very successful practice… and deciding to quit medicine to go work for the post office.

Posted June 23, 2014 11:04 pm 


Joseph Herron

Boxtradamus: “YOUR eyesight is not as KEEN as MINE thats why YOU don’t SEE it…..Its called learning how to play CHESS instead of CHECKERS.”

Oh my goodness…I don’t even know what to say about your comment, except that it’s blatantly obvious that you really don’t know what you’re talking about.

If you really want to test your boxing prowess, why don’t you join me on next Sunday night’s program…no Ronnie or Gogue, just you and I talking about boxing during the first segment.

My guess is that you won’t call into the show because you won’t want to get exposed for having an obvious lack of insight.

Calling you out, Boxtra!! 718-506-1506…next Sunday…we can talk about why your prediction for Gamboa/Crawford went terribly wrong…LOL

Posted June 23, 2014 10:11 pm 


Boxtradamus

SKILLS is the most important factor in Boxing. Russell Jr. agrees with ME on that.

Posted June 23, 2014 10:02 pm 


Boxtradamus

And I BOOKED another WIN for 2014!!!!

Posted June 23, 2014 10:01 pm 


Boxtradamus

GOOD guess but NOPE. I only bet on Mayweather and Ward SO the bookies always get SPANKED by Your HIGHNESS OOOPS I mean YOUR GREATNESS. OOOOPS again. I mean YOUR GOATNESS. I’m Undefeated with the bookies. And I will REMAIN undefeated with them.

Posted June 23, 2014 10:00 pm 


TARK

E.., WTF do you do for a living stupid?

Posted June 23, 2014 10:00 pm 


E

@Tark…so within 2 days you go from professional boxer to professional trainer who trained over 100 fighters, to Businessman investor??Lol…When really your just a professional liar who spends all day on ESB!!! Lol

Posted June 23, 2014 9:53 pm 


Boxtradamus

“LMFAO!!!! You’re changing your tune Boxtra… You said Russell would KO Lomachenko or give him a clear beating.”-Nope. Go take a CURRENT EVENTS class. I’m not changing MY tune. I CHANGED MY tune and I was CORRECT in doing SO. That’s why I remain as the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!!

Posted June 23, 2014 9:45 pm 


Boxtradamus

“Styles make fights, and Loma’s footwork is a stylistic nightmare for any counterpuncher who combines speed with power.”-Nope. Its a nightmare for anyone who can’t strategize on the FLY. Rigo CAN. Rigo will be a Boxing IQ nightmare for Lomachenko. You can’t attack a Top notch Defender and SUPERIOR counter puncher like Rigo without paying the PRICE. IF Loma tried to attack Rigo for 12 rounds he’d get stopped. That’s why Agbeko kept his guns in their HOLSTERS.

Posted June 23, 2014 9:43 pm 


Boxtradamus

“With all due respect, Boxtra, you really don’t know what you’re talking about if you’re questioning Gary’s ring I Q and mastery of the sweet science.”-YES I DO. ANY man can be punched. You have to know how to switch it UP. Throw DUMMY punches to set UP the punch that you REALLY want to hit him with. Throw more power jabs to the body to bring the guard down. Then catch him up TOP. Change UP your rhythm. Keep track of how a guy reacts in certain situations and then capitalize on it later…….Russell Jr. has MUCH savvy to acquire before he can reach the next level. YOUR eyesight is not as KEEN as MINE thats why YOU don’t SEE it…..Its called learning how to play CHESS instead of CHECKERS.

Posted June 23, 2014 9:39 pm 


Boxtradamus

Lomachenko WON just as I predicted!!!!! I am the GREATEST Fight Prophet ever born!!!!!!

Posted June 23, 2014 9:32 pm 


E

Stop lying Tark…your unemployed that’s why your on ESB all fukin day! Lol

Posted June 23, 2014 9:24 pm 


TARK

E you’re a dog assed, dim witted loser… You know nothing about Boxing. I did train hundreds of fighters because that was my job. I’m an investor and businessman now. I make a great income.

But I know the game of Boxing and you don’t. My pre-fight analysis is generally dead on. If I say you can bet on the over you can just about take it to the bank.

In the Gary Russell fight I said Loma would win, but he’s a Ukrainian. He needed to win 10 rounds to get a MD. He faced a lot of risk by pushing to win a title in his 2nd pro fight AND 3rd pro fight.

Lara won every round versus Williams and still lost the fight. Rigondeaux dominated Donaire and won very close on the cards. It’s very tough when you’re a Ukrainian or Cuban national and can’t speak English.

Posted June 23, 2014 9:05 pm 


E

@Lion King…Don’t put yourself in bed with that fagot Tark please. You will lose all credibility. Hes running around lying saying hes a boxing genius and trained over 100 fighters. That is the biggest joke since I fuked your mama. Lol

Posted June 23, 2014 8:16 pm 


Joseph Herron

Fight fans and boxing writers who don’t really know what they’re looking at in the ring have to rely on resume, records, and rankings to make sense of the sport.

Fight fans and boxing scribes who do know what they’re looking at can make assessments from performances.

Just saying…LOL

Posted June 23, 2014 5:00 pm 


BLACK POWER

SREDMOND

”Tomato Can, people will try and discredit ANYTHING they don’t like”

In SREDMOND’s case white fighters

Posted June 23, 2014 4:49 pm 


SREDMOND

Turbo, you said it best below “Repay in Kind” this is the pro’s things happen and you have to adjust… Mayweather overcomes 15 pound on fight night on several recent occasions, Ortiz, Canelo, Maidana…Either than or whine to Max Kellerman about how life is not fair..

Posted June 23, 2014 4:48 pm 


SREDMOND

Turbo Hamster, how have I “discredited his win” I have yet to watch the bout? I am putting it in context and I am OVER all these revisions from overzealous fans who wanna change the record books EVERY other fight? As far as “a record being broken” was this not a fight for an interim title? Guys are giving it to Russell pretty hard for what is an early stage resume (I understand) so are we gonna pretend that this is Mayweather beating Genaro Hernandez? or Rigondeaux beating Donaire? I have the same position about Pacquiaos “8th weight class” Margo NEVER was Champ at that weight and had no cred as such… Again I am ALL for the BEST man winning on a given night, that said how SOLD should I be for a guy with 3 fights one of which is a loss to Salido??????

Posted June 23, 2014 4:42 pm 


turbo hamster on tequila

The WAS controversy to the salido fight.

Salido didn’t step to make weight for a start. Look at the two Castillo Corralesfights and see what happened in second when Castillo gave up on making weight. BIG difference.

The low blows I am not going to go on about. There is a way to deal with those, repay in kind.

Posted June 23, 2014 4:38 pm 


SREDMOND

Tomato Can, people will try and discredit ANYTHING they don’t like… No one can say that Garcia begged out of that fight he was KILLING Salido and it was clearly a BUTT….Lomanchenko had 12 rounds to get a real handle on Salido and he could not get it done, it happens and Salido is a TOUGH fighter to say the least…. That said look at an OLD Man like Marquez who has had to endure countless knockdowns and hard head shots to get his wins against various guys, toughness and the ability to deal with adversity are part of the sport this is not the Olympics and guys are gonna do what it takes to win.. Maidana fought a rough and dirty fight against Floyd but it was his only shot to win, Guerrero mauled Berto because he wanted to shake him up and neutralize him sometimes a guy is gonna have to get nasty to put his opponent in check… I am NOT down on Loma, I just don’t know what his true upside is given the fact that he was able to beat Gary Russell which is a good win but lost to a fighter like Salido…With 3 fights there are FAR more questions than answers…

Posted June 23, 2014 4:37 pm 


turbo hamster on tequila

Loma is joint fastest ever to a pro title. One of greatest amateurs ever. Has shown desire to immediately go for biggest challenge he can.

People are excited about him and suggest he COULD go on to be HOF and p4p and really that is the kind of trajectory we are looking at.

SRED as a boxing fan you could :
1 have actually watched the fight
2 be excited about such a new talent emerging
3 enjoy seeing records broken
4 not feel the need to denigrate what is really astonishing for a 3 fight career, close loss or no.

Posted June 23, 2014 4:33 pm 


Tomato Can

Actually a lot of fans discredit Garcia’s win over Salido, since he quit with the, nasty looking, broken nose due to an attentional head butt.

Posted June 23, 2014 4:24 pm 


SREDMOND

Lying King, YOU, Bears and your crew are beyond LESS than credible because there is ALWAY some sort of claims of corruption so whats new? Provo loses and there has to be “homecooking” Loma loses and there has to be some sort of bias, people “thinking something” does NOT make it a fact… Reality is that Lomanchenko could not handle a CRUDE fighter like Salido well, Mikey Garcia blasted him all over and when injured by a butt he was up SO far the result was a mere formality… Loma was early in his career but when his result against Salido is juxtaposed against the nearest relevant comparison Rigondeaux the contrast is STARK… Donaire was an Elite fighter and Rigo took him to SCHOOL, Loma could not get by Salido who 12 other guys were able to defeat… Just the facts CHUMP!!! You gonna do your usual “Tough Guy from Arizona act” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Posted June 23, 2014 4:18 pm 


SREDMOND

Lying King, show me the post where I said that “Russell will expose the hype job” dated post??? I thought Russell would win that said your attempt to oversell my thoughts on the outcome is laughable and unsustainable given the fact that I gave the nod to the more proven commodity at the pro level… All the Monday morning QB’s don’t impress me in the SLIGHTEST…

Posted June 23, 2014 4:14 pm 


SREDMOND

Who said there was anything controversial? You might need to tell Tark that and as far as losing to me you NEVER won so as a consequence I remain the the SAME drivers seat I am always in…The ONLY thing “controversial” is Tark and Co trying to overturn the Salido loss in order to get Lomanchenko a spotless record which he does NOT need to be successful and he will NEVER have because he could not handle Salido that evening…

Posted June 23, 2014 4:11 pm 


Tomato Can

Sred, has made good points, Loma is just getting started. That being said, he’s still starting out faster at the pro level then I’ve seen before. But still, there’s no telling how his career will progress from here on out. He has a lot of upside though.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:20 pm 


SREDMOND

REALITY is that Lomanchenko does NOT have much of a career to talk UP or DOWN, the guy has 3 fights under his belt which means he is just starting out…

Posted June 23, 2014 3:13 pm 


SREDMOND

Lying King the reason, You, Tark, Bears and others cannot prevail when debating me is because I am sticking to the FACTS I don’t rely on historical rewrites to make my points.. In YOUR and your cohorts world EVERY fight is controversial, EVERY ref is corrupt, EVERY decision unjust, EVERY excuse is valid EXCEPT when its one of your boxers booking the loss… A testosterone deficient group like you, Bears and Tark is NOT gonna understand how FEMININE you sound when bitterly trying to vacate ACTUAL results whenevery they don’t suit your dikless agenda… I’m just trying to help you man! LMAO

Posted June 23, 2014 3:10 pm 


SREDMOND

Squared Circle, your post was CORNY again I ask how is Lomanchenko being “talked down” the guy just started boxing at the professional level? He is 2-1 and just beat a talented prospect, the attempts to get him an Undefeated Record are WEAK and typical of Tark, Yourself, Bears and the rest of the “Girly Men” on ESB who cannot tolerate their fighters losing and move on… The fact that you want to anoint ANY boxer as “Great” after 3 fights is laughable especially when the guy has ALREADY dropped a bout to Orlando Salido who is a tough but limited fighter…

Posted June 23, 2014 3:06 pm 


SLIM

@nyc…what do you mean? Tark said he was a professional boxer 50-0 with 49KO’s and trained over 100 fighters…Lol

Posted June 23, 2014 3:06 pm 


SLIM

@Lion King…Just like you put on your swastika sleeve and holler “Blood and Honor” right before you get on the keyboard don’t you?? Lol we all know your from Germany Nazi party.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:01 pm 


nyc

tark you don’t know boxing

Posted June 23, 2014 2:49 pm 


SREDMOND

Its funny you try to make ANY comparison between the SUPER dominant performance of Mikey Garcia against Salido vs the loss Lomanchenko booked! You act like Garcia was looking to get bailed out when he dropped Salido 2 or 3 times and was eating him alive… Face it Lomanchenko is NEVER going to be undefeated as a professional he was unable to adjust and get the better of Salido… That’s boxing he has to accept that loss and move on, or rematch him?

Posted June 23, 2014 2:34 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, seriously you are a WHINER, Garcia beating the HELL out of Salido, he was butted and could not continue how many times did he drop Salido that fight? and in what world is Garcia this “American Hero” LMAO! Fact is that he was doing something that Lomanchencko could NOT do which is DOMINATE Salido… Mayweather was NOT happy with Tony Weeks AT ALL that’s why he said after the fight he does not want him handling anymore of his fights even though personally he likes Tony… But like the Champ he is Mayweather established his distance and starting ringing Maidanas bell… Lomanchenko will learn how to deal with tough fighters if he wants to be successful at the pro level, he is NOT gonna have demented keyboard warriors or like you or revisionists to bail him out, he is gonna have to fight fire with fire… Bottomline he LOST, its a combat sport..

Posted June 23, 2014 2:31 pm 


The Mad Scientist

SRed got the beat

Posted June 23, 2014 2:28 pm 


Tomato Can

lol

Posted June 23, 2014 2:28 pm 


you get me

No mannerisms all wrong unless he’s method actor

Posted June 23, 2014 2:24 pm 


TARK

Sremond says.., “Lomanchenko cannot be rough housed when we saw the BEST and most high profile fighter in the sport have to overcome rough house tactics”

LMFAO!!!!

Cute word for fouling—rough housing… Floyd was flagrantly punched low maybe 5 times by MM, and severely warned by Tony Weeks. Vasyl was flagrantly punched low maybe 30 times by Salido with nothing said … and once (1 time) by a completely frustrated Russell. This time the referee warned Russell immediately.

Floyd was deliberately headbutted by MM… Garcia was viciously headbutted vs Salido… Garcia-Salido was stopped because of the nose injury due to illegal contact, but only after Garcia’s corner said he couldn’t continue because of his nose.. I mean… His vision wasn’t threatened…just his nose.

But the fight went to the scorecards anyway… Garcia is an American hero. He got a favorable ruling on the stoppage that he may not have gotten elsewhere.

Floyd is an American hero fighting in his hometown. Two of the 3 judges favored him in a fairly close fight wih Maidana. Many Americans didn’t think Maidana won.

Lomachenko is a Ukrainian. He got an unfavorable ruling from 2 of the judges vs Salido… Vasyl got an unfavorable ruling from 1 of 3 judges in a fight he clearly dominated versus Russell… He outscored Russell in 10 out of 11 rounds with much harder, and more effective punches … and outpunched Russell overall 183 to 83… that’s a 2.2 to 1 margin … and he was making much better and harder contact. Russell didn’t land an impressive punch in the fight… nothing even jarred Lomachenko.

Remember the judges scores in Rigondeaux-Donaire??? No way Donair won more than 3 rounds. He scored a brilliant reverse-stance knockdown, but did little else. The scores were laughable… Remember Lara-Williams??? Those scorecards were so pathetic I threw up … We don’t treat Cubans any better than Ukrainians … and they’re 90 miles from us.

The judges in Boxing are pathetic … and we haven’t made a serious effort to change that in 120 years.

Posted June 23, 2014 2:24 pm 


BEARS

sredmond admitted on thread he has not watched chenko fight yet he is here trying to discredit chenkos greatness and ability and he said “russel will dust chenko”

this dude does not know a phukin thing. a fellow brother man got smoked by a blonde hair blue eyed dude and he is furious. the opposite o what sredmond forecast came to be. russel was utterly DOMINATED. now chenko can do as much as rigo has done and smoke donaire though im sure donaire wants none.

anyone objective sees chenko vs salido as people like TARK have described. people like sredmond who dont watch fights and are racially motivated start talkn out there @ss about over turning decisions as if judges in boxing are nkt some of the worst elements in all of sports.

TARK mentions cotto last 4 fight record being worse. then sredmonds says some bs about how chenko and cottos name can not be me tioned inthe same sentence after sredmond tried to use a bs 4 fight record against chenko same standard can not be applied cotto. double standArd? yes! why?

because sredmond is racially motivated and abounds in double standards. one of my favorite sredmond double standards. wladimir klitschkos avengeing o the lamomt brewster debaucle does not count. on the count of an eye surgery. (over turning stoppages he does not like) but there is more here.

while sredmond discredits the whiteman he s
lauds cotto and tries to talk cotto up for his margarito avenging. this is where it gets clear.

margarito did not have one eye surgery like brewster he had THREE SEPERATE and indicidual eye surgeries. he was out if the ring for a year or over and he had no tune up fight. thats the facts.

but sracemonds onjective is to preserve whatever can be preserved when it comes to black greatness. thus he employs the double standards to trash wlad while giving cotto as much scalp value as possible that the fraud mayweather reaped. sracemond is some savage racist black dude who does not watch fights. who gives a phuk what he thinks about chenko? it will never be positive

Posted June 23, 2014 2:22 pm 


SREDMOND

Nick, I lend a counterpoint to a lot of these gross over characterizations that run rampant on ESB and naturally that pisses off some folks (clearly I don’t care) for the record I am FAR from impressed with Deontay Wilder either he looks like a stiff to me…

Posted June 23, 2014 2:12 pm 


SREDMOND

Nick explain to me EXACTLY how I am “talking down Lomanchenko”…..??? Seriously if you want to open this discussion then present the facts?

Posted June 23, 2014 2:04 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark, has an EXCUSE for every losing fight that he cannot stomach…Again 2 fighters have to have the results of their win changed to accommodate Tarks stances that is very telling.. NO ONE can say that Lomanchenko might not have an awesome career, that said he will NEVER be an undefeated fighter because he dropped his second bout and frankly if he was fighting that much better than Salido that night the excuses would not matter…. I am SURE that Russell has some GREAT excuses in his mind why he could not do better but who really cares to here them? either you executed on the night in question or book the loss and move on!

Posted June 23, 2014 2:03 pm 


nick

sredmond why talking down another white boxer?

i’ve noticed this is something you do about every white, eastern european and central asian boxer you perceive to be a threat.

the klitschko brothers, the whole heavyweight division since it has been taken over by whites, joe calzaghe, mikkel kessler, carl froch, gennady golovkin, sergei kovalev, lucian bute, alexander povetkin, ruslan provodnikov, vasyl lomachenko among others.

why?

Posted June 23, 2014 1:51 pm 


CurlyQ.Howard

“Lomachenko should be 3-0 in his 3 professional fights by most people’s observation… since he outpunched Salido by over 50 legitimate punches… almost knocked him out in the last round… and deserved to win by either DQ or on points.” Exactly.

Posted June 23, 2014 1:50 pm 


SLIM

Tark quit makin excuses for people when they lose. It’s not Cotto’s fault Martinez had bad knees…So Klit only beat David “Toe” Haye cause he had sore toe?? And Ali only beat Liston cause he bad bicep?? Cut the crap…

Posted June 23, 2014 1:48 pm 


Tomato Can

Dang, 46 seconds shy.

Posted June 23, 2014 1:30 pm 


SREDMOND

Notice ALL Tarks arguments hinge on decisions being overturned this is an EPIDEMIC in his thinking… In order for his stance to work for him 1.) Martinez has to lose to Murray in a close fight 2.) Lomanchenko cannot be rough housed when we saw the BEST and most high profile fighter in the sport have to overcome rough house tactics, Tark just wants that loss erased… Loma might go on to become something truly exceptional but he has a LONG way to go to prove that, Ike Ibeabuchi had defeated Byrd and Tua and ultimately his career and life went off the rails… Greatness is proved over time that’s why I get so FIRED up when people wanna take a dump on an established Top Boxer because some new guy looked good for a couple of nights…That’s called amateur hour…

Posted June 23, 2014 1:00 pm 


SREDMOND

Lomanchenko is 2-1 and that’s just the FACTS he was not impressive against Salido and lost on the cards.. Even if he was 3-0 so what? he belongs in a conversation with Miguel Cotto and Floyd Mayweather about as much as I do from a boxing perspective… How many Championship bouts do Russell and Loma have between them? and don’t embarrass yourself by discussing the amateurs this is the pro game where Loma ALREADY came up lacking…. Cotto has a body of work as does Pacquiao that has established them as HOF level fighters… Nobody knows if Russell and Loma are gonna be out of boxing in 2 years, what we do KNOW is that BOTH have losses and you overruling the ones you don’t like cannot change that fact…

Posted June 23, 2014 12:55 pm 


SREDMOND

Tark its FUNNY how you are suddenly SO down on Cotto when you were picking Martinez to beat him.. NOW with the benefit of hindsight you are knocking his hustle… Martinez was Lineal MW Champ and Cotto was coming up in weight but of course you will suddenly see Gary Russell as a more vetted and dangerous fighter than Martinez who defended the lineal MW Championship 6x…. LOL “Tark Logic”

Posted June 23, 2014 12:51 pm 


Tomato Can

you get me, really? Maybe Joseph can do Mick from the Rocky movies too. Same actor, right?

Posted June 23, 2014 12:19 pm 


TARK

Sredmond says.., “You wanna bet the farm on a guy who is 2-1 and 1-1 in his last 2 fights you are riding the hell outta the hype train. Some of you are the SAME guys who cannot respect the accomplishments of a Floyd Mayweather or Miguel Cotto”

Miguel Cotto is 2-2 in his last 4 fights. His last 2 wins are against a 2nd rater and a 39-year-old man with destroyed knees … who should be 0-2 in his last 2 fights by most people’s observation.

Cotto is still an ATG and Floyd’s toughest opponent. I’m not taking that away from him just because he’s 2-2 in his last 4 fights, and beat guys who were ripe for picking.

Gary Russell wasn’t ripe for picking… but he was plucked.

Lomachenko should be 3-0 in his 3 professional fights by most people’s observation… since he outpunched Salido by over 50 legitimate punches… almost knocked him out in the last round… and deserved to win by either DQ or on points.

Posted June 23, 2014 12:18 pm 


Tomato Can

I forget what I scored the Salido fight, but I didn’t have Loma winning it. I probably had it 115-113 Salido. I’ll have to check that out when I get a chance.

Posted June 23, 2014 12:08 pm 


Tomato Can

Loma, only has 3 fights. But this guy learned his craft very well. Still styles make fights, so until he proves otherwise, he’s probably going to have problems wiht fighters of rough house him. But I think he’s stand a good chance to out box any boxers out there already. He already knows more than most. I think because of his youth and ability, he would give Rigo a run for his money, and out class Donaire. But with only 3 fights in the pro ranks, that’s a lot of speculating on my part.

Posted June 23, 2014 12:03 pm 


you get me

They’re doing a remake of the original batman TV show, Herron’s up for the role of the penguin no joke

Posted June 23, 2014 12:03 pm 


TARK

When the 114-114 score was being announced on Saturday Lomachenko looked crushed. His corner lifted him up but he had a very painful look on his face, as if he was saying, “My God, they’re doing it AGAIN!!”

Posted June 23, 2014 12:01 pm 


TARK

Tomato Can says.., “Salido would have been DQ’d in an ameteur fight”

And by almost any professional referee but Laurance Cole. As it is, he outpunched Salido by more than 50 legitimate punches, and almost knocked him out.

Lomachenko’s pro record should read, 3-0. Salido’s pro record should read 40-13. Just as certainly as Erislandy Lara should be undefeated.

Posted June 23, 2014 11:57 am 


BEARS

i bet lomachenko could beat nonito in his next or ideally the fight after his next and then he will have accomplished everything rigondeux has

Posted June 23, 2014 11:55 am 


The Mad Scientist

Wow! , so Gary Russell can beat any of the top guys in the division but yet his best win is against..?? Now Lomo owns a win against him and Chenko becomes the next coming of ..??

Posted June 23, 2014 11:54 am 


Tomato Can

“His next fight has to be a Salido rematch.” Why?

Posted June 23, 2014 11:46 am 


Tomato Can

Picking the winner is nice, but it means very little. I get a lot of picks right, but I’ve also gotten quite a few wrong. It goes with the terratory. In the theater of the unexpected anything can happen…

Posted June 23, 2014 11:46 am 


Bigrobnc

His next fight has to be a Salido rematch.

Posted June 23, 2014 11:42 am 


Tomato Can

“Lomachenko was more able to showcase his abilities against Russell because Russell came to fight and not maul, cheat, and blow weight like Salido did, and also because it was a very good style matchup. Clearly Lomachenko was the better boxer but that doesn’t mean Russell went to h3ll overnight.”…. Agreed. The difference between Russell and Salido is exactly what I thought would work in Lomachenko’s favor. Salido would have been DQ’d in an ameteur fight, fighting the way he did against Loma… Still, Russell will beat a lot of fighters out there.

Posted June 23, 2014 11:37 am 


SREDMOND

It seems to me that notwithstanding the fact that Lomanchenko now owns a win over Russell, both guys are kinda in the same boat..They have ALOT of prove at the professional level if they are going to be big names in the sport of boxing… I did not see the other nights bouts but it seems clear that Lomanchenko handily defeated Russell which is a solid win over a talented and well regarded prospect…That said this RUSH to anoint Lomanchenko as an unstoppable force is pretty funny when the truth is that he has ALREADY been derailed by a very beatable fighter in Salido, when Rigondeaux was pitted against the 2012 fighter of the year (Donaire) I wondered how a guy with a limited pro background was gonna deal with a streaking Elite fighter who was knocking out everyone while moving thru 3 or 4 weight classes… Come fight night Rigondeaux answered all the questions and to date we have NOT seen Donaire who has looked suspect since push for a rematch. Rigo proved his point against a guy who had NOT lost in 8 YEARS whereas Salido had been batted all over the ring by Garcia and was clearly overwhelmed. Where Russell and Lomanchenko go ultimately in the pro ranks is ANYONES guess but if you wanna bet the farm on a guy who is 2-1 and 1-1 in his last 2 fights you are riding the hell outta the hype train. Some of you are the SAME guys who cannot respect the accomplishments of a Floyd Mayweather or Miguel Cotto BUT you are ready to call Loma “GREAT” because he beat Gary Russell via decision and lost to Orlando Salido?? Constant WHINING about “Refs and Judges” is an indication that the fighters you are backing are not getting the job done on some level because the BEST fighters tend to take them out of the equation more often than not… I am a HUGE Marquez fan but his bellyaching about judges not giving him close nods was getting OLD, I respect his remedy which was sending Pac Man for a CAT scan (no judges needed)

Posted June 23, 2014 9:35 am 


Joseph Herron

Sorry…I didn’t realize I was posting anonymously…LOL

Posted June 23, 2014 7:40 am 


Anonymous

You’re the man, Gonz!!

Tremendous post, my friend!! LOL

Posted June 23, 2014 6:16 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Part Man (Brain), Part Vulture (Wings & Plumage), Part Baboon (Left Hand), Part Wolf (Pen!s)

Take a look at this video of one of Lomachenko’s bouts from the WSB. His opponent is the excellent and naturally bigger Italian Domenicio Valentino

This is Valentino’s CV below. Look at how Lomachenko absolutely toys with a fighter of the highest calibre. He makes him look like a complete novice.

World Amateur Championships
Gold 2009 Milan Lightweight
Silver 2007 Chicago Lightweight
Bronze 2005 Mianyang Lightweight
Bronze 2011 Baku Lightweight
Bronze 2013 Almaty Lightweight
European Amateur Championships
Silver 2011 Ankara Lightweight
Bronze 2004 Pula Lightweight
EU Amateur Championships
Gold 2004 Madrid Lightweight
Gold 2005 Cagliari Lightweight
Gold 2006 Pécs Lightweight
Bronze 2007 Dublin Lightweight
Mediterranean Games
Gold 2005 Almeíra Lightweight
Gold 2009 Pescara Lightweight

youtube.com/watch?v=nVbPSZedYd4&feature=kp

Posted June 23, 2014 6:14 am 


Gonzo the Dragonborn – Part Man (Brain), Part Vulture (Wings & Plumage), Part Baboon (Left Hand), Part Wolf (Pen!s)

Lomachenko is indeed a very special fighter. Anyone who’d followed his exploits in the unpaid ranks would’ve been keenly aware of just what an exceptional talent he is. All these clueless toad-brained hermaphrodites who picked Russell to roll right through him need to be bound and gagged and suspended by their feet and lowered head first into a giant vat of tranny urine until they’re pronounced dead.

You don’t win almost 400 amateur fights and Olympic golds x2, world amateur golds x2, and European gold whilst incurring only a solitary loss (to an elite amateur who himself was a world amateur gold and silver medalist and a 2x European champion) unless you have exceptional natural talent and ability.

The look on Russell’s little munchkin face in the first round when the realization of how good Lomachenko was dawned on him, dawned on him very quickly I might add, was absolutely priceless. Lomachenko’s speed of both hand and foot, lateral movement, mongoose-like reflexes, ability to move into range and slip, block and parry Russel’s shots and land his own and then effortlessly slip back out of range was a joy to behold.

Russell is a very talented fighter a nice guy, but I’m afraid Lomachenko gave him a boxing lesson the other night. He did manage to win a few rounds on sheer activity alone. Although even in those rounds he barely landed and one got the distinct impression it was more a case of Lomachenko taking those rounds off and allowing him to expend energy to try and tire him out. Russell’s connect percentage was very low. He was swiping at the ghost of Lomachenko’s shadow and catching fresh air gloves and elbows most of the night, which given Russell’s vaunted hand speed is mightily impressive on Lomachenko’s part.

The 114-114 score card was a complete joke. That rat-brained slovenly adulteress trollop was clearly on Haymon’s payroll. It would’ve been an absolute travesty had Russell been allowed to escape back down to Loompa-Land with a draw.

Lomachenko beat Russell in his home country, with an American referee and x3 American judges. That takes balls the size of church bells, especially when you factor in the kind of immense pressure he was under after losing his previous fight, a fight where he’d been stitched up something rotten by his cheating sh!tbag opponent and his partner in crime Laurence ”Corruption is my Middle Name” Cole.

Posted June 23, 2014 6:03 am 


Anonymous

Well said, Squared Circle…I agree with your prediction for this Saturday night’s main event.

Always appreciate your comments, my friend!! LOL

Posted June 23, 2014 5:25 am 


Joseph Herron

Another sad day for floyd dumb dumbs: “Perfectly said Joseph. Great read that last post.”

LOL…thanks, brother. Like your moniker, btw!! LOl

Posted June 23, 2014 3:33 am 


Joseph Herron

Very good post, TARK…I was at the Salido/Lomachenko bout and I scored the foul ridden scrap 115-113 for the Ukrainian.

After the fight, Gibbons eluded to the idea that they never intended to make the 126 limit and wanted to use the added weight to offset Vasyl’s obvious advantages in the ring…Lomachenko still almost stopped him in the final round.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:32 am 


TARK

The Mad Scientist… “Salido, Gonzales, and Donaire would KO Russell Jr from what I seen this Saturday”

That is utter nonsense… Russell would KO Salido or Gonzales… He might lose to Donaire, who is a great fighter and 5-Division World Champion.

Lomachenko beat Salido but was robbed… When Loma heard the MD verdict and heard the 114-114 score, you saw a very pained expression on Vasyl’s face… like he was saying, “Damn it… They’re not going to screw me again… Please.” The dark cloud didn’t lift until they declaired Loma the winner.”

Boxing has to get rid of blind judges… Anyone who saw that fight as a draw should never be allowed to judge a World Championship Fight ever again… That is horrible.

12 judges are used to judge dving, gymnastics, or figure skating contests.. They throw out the high and low scores. All the judges are former athletes and coaches.. They’re all experts..

Boxing is the only sport that uses judges who have no background or expertise… Boxing judges are the most inept professionals in the world.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:25 am 


Another sad day for floyd dumb dumbs

Perfectly said Joseph. Great read that last post.

Posted June 23, 2014 3:19 am 


Joseph Herron

The Mad Scientist: “btw, special fighters don’t lose to Orlando Salido..Mayweather, Pacquiao and Marquez have overcame size disadvantages so you have no excuse for Lomo if you’re gonna refer to him as being special”

LOL…do you actually look at the performances in the ring? if his performance on Saturday night didn’t show you how special of a fighter he is, then you’ll just have to wait until he cleans out the division.

The version of Lomachenko we saw last night, stops Orlando Salido in the mid to late rounds. The more active version of the Ukrainian fighter beats everyone in the division…all day long!!

Posted June 23, 2014 3:10 am 


TARK

Boxtradamus…, “Gary Russell needs to work on Fighting a full 3 minutes.”

Russull threw many more punches than Lomachenko… He worked very, very, very hard every round… But he was punching a lot of air and gloves… He threw tons of pounches but landed only 83 mostly ineffective ones… Lomachenko threw many fewer punches and landed 183… including many very solid ones. He made Russell work and wore him out.

What Russell needs to do is to work on his overall game… just like Lomachenko, Rigondeaux, Mayweather, and everyone else needs to do with great diligence.. If you’re not getting better … you’ve already peaked and you’re getting worse.

Wladimir Klitschko at 38, just before the Leapai fight… “I didn’t think I could get better after 35 … but I am definitely much better today. I practice all my skills every day. I work on my strength and stamina every day. I’m not tired at all after 12 rounds. When I was 25 I got tired after 7 or 8 rounds. I was big and strong, but not durable. I’m a very skilled boxer now. Before Steward I was a puncher.”

Posted June 23, 2014 3:07 am 


The Mad Scientist

Salido, Gonzales, and Donaire would KO Russell Jr from what I seen this Saturday ..and Mares outworks and swarms him with no problem..btw, special fighters don’t lose to Orlando Salido..Mayweather, Pacquiao and Marquez have overcame size disadvantages so you have no excuse for Lomo if you’re gonna refer to him as being special

Posted June 23, 2014 2:35 am 


TARK

Boxtradamus says.., “Russell is GOOD but he needs to work on Fighting a full 3 minutes. Thats step #1. Step #2 is get you some Boxing SAVVY. Watch B Hop. Watch Ward. Watch Mayweather. Learn how to set UP your punches.”

LMFAO!!!! You’re changing your tune Boxtra… You said Russell would KO Lomachenko or give him a clear beating. Of course that was BEFORE the fight. You challenged me to make a pick on the Ivan article — and right after your post I picked Lomachenko to win and gave you MY analysis. I did say you wouldn’t mention being WRONG AGAIN!!!

Herron says.., “Really? I can see Gary defeating 1. Jhonny Gonzalez 2. Aber Mares 3.Nicholas Walters 4 Nonito Donaire 5. Evgeny Gradovich 6. Simpiwe Vetyeka 7. Billy Dib 8. Ronny Rios 9. Lee Selby

That’s more like it.. Accurate statement by Herron.. Russell is a damned good fighter. He was in with a masterful boxer-puncher. A possible mumber 1 P4P fighter for the future. That’s the same problem Donaire had with Rigondeaux. Boxtradamus got that fight wrong as well – he pick Donaire.

Posted June 23, 2014 2:30 am 


Joseph Herron

The Mad Scientist: “Russell has hand speed and some athleticism but no boxing fundamentals or skills to go with it”

Possibly the worst post of the year!!

Posted June 23, 2014 2:14 am 


Joseph Herron

Boxtradamus: “Russell is GOOD but he needs to work on Fighting a full 3 minutes. Thats step #1. Step #2 is get you some Boxing SAVVY. Watch B Hop. Watch Ward. Watch Mayweather. Learn how to set UP your punches.”

With all due respect, Boxtra, you really don’t know what you’re talking about if you’re questioning Gary’s ring I Q and mastery of the sweet science.

He wasn’t prepared to deal with what he saw on Saturday night, but it has nothing to do with his lack of “boxing savvy”…that’s absurd!!

With the competition that he had seen since turning pro, it was like getting thrown into the ocean after swimming in the shallow end for three years.

Styles make fights, and Loma’s footwork is a stylistic nightmare for any counterpuncher who combines speed with power.

Posted June 23, 2014 2:13 am 


Joseph Herron

The Mad Scientist: “TC- not to take anything away from Chenko’s win last night but IMO any of the top 5 guys would’ve beaten Gary Russell Jr”

The RING
1. Jhonny Gonzalez
2. Aber Mares
3.Nicholas Walters
4 Nonito Donaire
5. Evgeny Gradovich
6. Simpiwe Vetyeka
7. Billy Dib
8. Ronny Rios
9. Lee Selby

Really? I can see Gary defeating any of the above mentioned fighters on any given day…styles make fights, brother

Loma is a special fighter…time will show every detractor that there’s no shame in a loss to an elite level talent like Vasyl

Posted June 23, 2014 2:08 am 


Anonymous

Lisa Giampa needs glasses………………she should be banned along with Laurence Cole…………………….

Posted June 23, 2014 1:42 am 


Tomato Can

I can’t argue with that.

Posted June 23, 2014 1:16 am 


The Mad Scientist

TC- not to take anything away from Chenko’s win last night but IMO any of the top 5 guys would’ve beaten Gary Russell Jr

Posted June 23, 2014 1:00 am 


hookoffthejab

As stated below Gary was found be lacking … Basic Fundamentals footwork and straight punchers like a jab and straight left …..Which if he watches Devons fight with Soto Karass ( yes you cannot compare Lomochenko with Soto) though if he saw how Devon was able to(in the early rounds) dissuade Jesus from coming in by spearing the head and body with those two punchers combined with his movement …Devon was able to hurt and like I stated above “dissuade” Soto from rushing in ….Giving Karass plenty to think about … I feel Gary did a good job in just going the distance and fighting back as best he could ……….How many other featherweights (?) would have just folded to the constant attack of Lomochenko …… Fingers crossed Gary seeks some good tutelage from a Floyd Sr or the like …. To help make him a more complete fighter …… As for Lomochenko the guy is a FREAK and I look forward to some of HIS teams match making …………….

Posted June 23, 2014 12:40 am 


Tomato Can

The Mad Scientist, true but really the difference was Lomachenco’s excellent fundamentals. He far beyond what we normally see from a 25 year old fighter.

Posted June 23, 2014 12:27 am 


Tomato Can

This is the first I heard about Ariza splitting with Garcia. But if it’s true it comes as no surprise.

Posted June 23, 2014 12:25 am 


Tomato Can

Lomachenco fought a great fight last night. He’ll be tuff to beat. He shouldn’t have fought Salido after he didn’t make weight. But how can you hold a loss like that when it came in his second pro fight?

Posted June 23, 2014 12:23 am 


The Mad Scientist

Russell has hand speed and some athleticism but no boxing fundamentals or skills to go with it

Posted June 23, 2014 12:04 am 


Boxtradamus

Russell is GOOD but he needs to work on Fighting a full 3 minutes. Thats step #1. Step #2 is get you some Boxing SAVVY. Watch B Hop. Watch Ward. Watch Mayweather. Learn how to set UP your punches.

Posted June 22, 2014 11:50 pm 


The Mad Scientist

Chenko look good last night but alot of it had to do with Russell not being that good to begin with..I like to see Lomo fight Jhonny Gonzales next

Posted June 22, 2014 11:35 pm 


Joseph Herron

i agree, SQ!!!

Posted June 22, 2014 11:01 pm 



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